date:20190819

@Mark,
 Thanks for clarification.

--Mohammad

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 3:22:32 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad,
>
> Well, that won't do what MA wants. Your code would try to split the 
> tiddler *name*, $:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map, but MA
> wants the tiddler *contents *truncated by one.
>
> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 3:13:58 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Mark, I mean just use , See the below revised code
>>
>>
>> \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
>> <$set name=shortpath filter="[splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" select=1 
>> >
>> <>. Nice to see you.
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> <$vars viewpath="$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" >
>>
>> <>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 6:23:28 PM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> Statements like
>>>
>>> {{<>}} 
>>>
>>> don't work, so I assume that the filter equivalent, {} also 
>>> doesn't work.
>>>
>>> When I test this latter form, it doesn't work.
>>>
>>> The $(...)$ substitution approach almost always does what I originally 
>>> intended, so I tend to stick to it, perhaps more than I need to.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 11:09:45 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:

 To Josiah,

 This is an example of using regexp in Tiddlywiki worth to be included 
 in your regexp tutorial!

 @Mark
 Why not just using  instead of {$(viewpath)$}

 --Mohammad

 On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 1:59:13 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> This variant uses the new splitregexp operator to eliminate the last 
> character:
>
> \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
> <$set name=shortpath filter="[{$(viewpath)$}splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" 
> select=1 >
> <>. Nice to see you.
> 
> \end
>
> <$vars viewpath="$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" >
>
> <>
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 11:49:19 AM UTC-7, MagoArcade wrote:
>>
>> Let's say "$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" 
>> contains the text "{line 1} Hello World}" (note the curly bracket)
>>
>>
>> \define ViewPath()
>> $:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map
>> \end
>>
>>
>> \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
>> {{$(ViewPath)$}}. Nice to see you.
>> \end
>>
>> How do I get <> to read:
>>
>> "{line 1} Hello World. Nice to see you."
>>
>> (i.e. remove the last character of the text in the tiddler)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

2019-08-19 Thread A Gloom

>> Gloom, not Gloomy, wrote 

Gloomy works too, just don't called me Cheery : P

I'll post separately about it as its an interesting issue.


Do it-- the first step to start awareness, is to reveal the issue.  Color 
blindness iirc is more common that what I suffer from-- general blindness, 
thoudh the white bachground issue I suffer from may be just as common-- 
suffered by people that are losing their sight to diabeties.

Here's tthe source I was referring to-- some of the question responses 
refer to scientific details on palettes of the most contrsting colors (as 
in colors with the most contast (seperation) between them-- good for color 
coding-- no mistaking the differences in colors)

https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/3682/where-can-i-find-a-large-palette-set-of-contrasting-colors-for-coloring-many-d

this questions' answers bring up color blindeness and color coding

https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/118033/best-series-of-colors-to-use-for-differentiating-series-in-publication-quality

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[tw5] Re: Remove last character of a tiddler's text within a macro

Hi Mohammad,

Well, that won't do what MA wants. Your code would try to split the tiddler 
*name*, $:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map, but MA
wants the tiddler *contents *truncated by one.

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 3:13:58 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Mark, I mean just use , See the below revised code
>
>
> \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
> <$set name=shortpath filter="[splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" select=1 >
> <>. Nice to see you.
> 
> \end
>
> <$vars viewpath="$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" >
>
> <>
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 6:23:28 PM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Statements like
>>
>> {{<>}} 
>>
>> don't work, so I assume that the filter equivalent, {} also 
>> doesn't work.
>>
>> When I test this latter form, it doesn't work.
>>
>> The $(...)$ substitution approach almost always does what I originally 
>> intended, so I tend to stick to it, perhaps more than I need to.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 11:09:45 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> To Josiah,
>>>
>>> This is an example of using regexp in Tiddlywiki worth to be included in 
>>> your regexp tutorial!
>>>
>>> @Mark
>>> Why not just using  instead of {$(viewpath)$}
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 1:59:13 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:

 This variant uses the new splitregexp operator to eliminate the last 
 character:

 \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
 <$set name=shortpath filter="[{$(viewpath)$}splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" 
 select=1 >
 <>. Nice to see you.
 
 \end

 <$vars viewpath="$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" >

 <>

 



 On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 11:49:19 AM UTC-7, MagoArcade wrote:
>
> Let's say "$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" 
> contains the text "{line 1} Hello World}" (note the curly bracket)
>
>
> \define ViewPath()
> $:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map
> \end
>
>
> \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
> {{$(ViewPath)$}}. Nice to see you.
> \end
>
> How do I get <> to read:
>
> "{line 1} Hello World. Nice to see you."
>
> (i.e. remove the last character of the text in the tiddler)
>


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[tw5] Re: Remove last character of a tiddler's text within a macro

This code:

\define ViewTiddlerAppended()
<$vars viewtext={{$(viewpath)$}}>
''VIEW TEXT:''  <$text text=<>/>
<$set name=shortpath filter="[{$(viewpath)$}splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" 
select=1 >

''OUTPUT:'' [<>]


\end

<$vars viewpath="$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" >

<>



Produces this result:


*VIEW TEXT:*  { "8c44558c-cd16-4064-87b6-d4b40fd167e8": {
 "x": -351, "y": -55 }, "565d2cae-a39e-4bec-b16b-543619cf2bd7": { "x": 
-119, "y": -72 }, "13f94e2c-189b-439e-aa55-0c7a88d45f97": { "x": -132, 
"y": 136 }, "e20a7328-d70c-477d-8103-1d99ffbf031b": { "x": -127, "y": 
-191 }, "516a25e4-c141-4469-a790-229b90da4bfa": { "x": -126, "y": 11 }, 
"cd326bff-d50c-406a-a5ca-a87699ae7bbe": { "x": -461, "y": -201 }, 
"7a8b1138-dbb9-49c8-91d6-12b9f21929f2": { "x": -559, "y": -108 }, 
"6a96291a-44bc-4d77-9261-8cc7b2964e87": { "x": -281, "y": -255 }, 
"3cadefc8-4186-4524-968a-22083b54c0bc": { "x": 18, "y": -146 }, 
"41bb28a9-b37f-4628-9730-0a48234a7490": { "x": -582, "y": 13 }, 
"6a5db04b-27e0-4e0d-81a3-1a3c1b44e928": { "x": -503, "y": 144 }, 
"7cc70f20-3457-4641-a2ab-d6f0512ab092": { "x": -333, "y": 176 } } 


*OUTPUT:* [{ 
"8c44558c-cd16-4064-87b6-d4b40fd167e8": { "x": -351, "y": -55 }, 
"565d2cae-a39e-4bec-b16b-543619cf2bd7": { "x": -119, "y": -72 }, 
"13f94e2c-189b-439e-aa55-0c7a88d45f97": { "x": -132, "y": 136 }, 
"e20a7328-d70c-477d-8103-1d99ffbf031b": { "x": -127, "y": -191 }, 
"516a25e4-c141-4469-a790-229b90da4bfa": { "x": -126, "y": 11 }, 
"cd326bff-d50c-406a-a5ca-a87699ae7bbe": { "x": -461, "y": -201 }, 
"7a8b1138-dbb9-49c8-91d6-12b9f21929f2": { "x": -559, "y": -108 }, 
"6a96291a-44bc-4d77-9261-8cc7b2964e87": { "x": -281, "y": -255 }, 
"3cadefc8-4186-4524-968a-22083b54c0bc": { "x": 18, "y": -146 }, 
"41bb28a9-b37f-4628-9730-0a48234a7490": { "x": -582, "y": 13 }, 
"6a5db04b-27e0-4e0d-81a3-1a3c1b44e928": { "x": -503, "y": 144 }, 
"7cc70f20-3457-4641-a2ab-d6f0512ab092": { "x": -333, "y": 176 } }]



Note that the last } is trimmed off. If it doesn't work for you, check if 
there is a space on the end of your tiddler contents. This is literally 
taking off
the last character, even if that character is a space.

-- Mark

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 11:41:30 AM UTC-7, MagoArcade wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark - this looks really good. However, what I'm wanting to do it 
> to truncate the !!text inside the tiddler identified by ``viewpath`` I 
> can't seem to get this to work with that. For illustration:
>
> \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
> <$vars ViewText={{$(ViewPath)$!!text}}>
> VIEW TEXT: : <>
> <$set name=shortpath filter=
> "[{{$(ViewPath)$!!text}}splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" select=1 >
> OUTPUT: [<>]
> 
> 
> \end
>
> Gives me:
>
> VIEW TEXT: : { "8c44558c-cd16-4064-87b6-d4b40fd167e8": { "x": -351, "y": -
> 55 }, "565d2cae-a39e-4bec-b16b-543619cf2bd7": { "x": -119, "y": -72 }, 
> "13f94e2c-189b-439e-aa55-0c7a88d45f97": { "x": -132, "y": 136 }, 
> "e20a7328-d70c-477d-8103-1d99ffbf031b": { "x": -127, "y": -191 }, 
> "516a25e4-c141-4469-a790-229b90da4bfa": { "x": -126, "y": 11 }, 
> "cd326bff-d50c-406a-a5ca-a87699ae7bbe": { "x": -461, "y": -201 }, 
> "7a8b1138-dbb9-49c8-91d6-12b9f21929f2": { "x": -559, "y": -108 }, 
> "6a96291a-44bc-4d77-9261-8cc7b2964e87": { "x": -281, "y": -255 }, 
> "3cadefc8-4186-4524-968a-22083b54c0bc": { "x": 18, "y": -146 }, 
> "41bb28a9-b37f-4628-9730-0a48234a7490": { "x": -582, "y": 13 }, 
> "6a5db04b-27e0-4e0d-81a3-1a3c1b44e928": { "x": -503, "y": 144 }, 
> "7cc70f20-3457-4641-a2ab-d6f0512ab092": { "x": -333, "y": 176 } } 
> OUTPUT: [] 
>
>  Any suggestions?
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Remove last character of a tiddler's text within a macro

2019-08-19 Thread Eric Shulman



On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 11:41:30 AM UTC-7, MagoArcade wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark - this looks really good. However, what I'm wanting to do it 
> to truncate the !!text inside the tiddler identified by ``viewpath`` I 
> can't seem to get this to work with that. For illustration:
>
> <$set name=shortpath filter=
> "[{{$(ViewPath)$!!text}}splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" select=1 >
>

TextReferences within filters use SINGLE curly-braces... thusly:
<$set name=shortpath filter="[{$(ViewPath)$!!text}splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" 
select=1 >

note: similarly, Variables within filters use SINGLE angle-brackets (e.g., 
[...])

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools: "Small Tools for Big Ideas!" (tm) http://tiddlytools.github.io 
(TWClassic)
InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals

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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

I am confident that tiddlywikis success with a broad audience relates to 
placing the tiddler, the item with the unique key at "eye level". It is 
easy to construct larger objects consisting of multiple tiddlers, starting 
with tag groups, and smaller objects, within fields or data tiddlers or 
subTiddlers. In most databases the *table* is at eye level, in many 
applications the *document* is at eye level. Tiddlywiki makes the objects 
defined by their unique key, clear and present. However we also have 
sufficient ways to bend but not break the rules to accommodate arguably any 
knowledge structure. This is made easier because the tiddler is a wikis 
basic atom.

Personally I am dead against deprecating data tiddlers of any form. 

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 4:49:22 AM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> One thing: repetition with variation.
>
> Its a bit moot at what point variation becomes innovation.
>
> That is something very interesting with TW I think,
>
> Its unusual in its revelatory aspect through complex filters. Though I 
> don't think anyone has commented much on that.
>
> Jermolene has relentlessly pursued the fragment and its combinations to 
> make new wholes. A strong approach. With surprising implications
>
> TT
>
>
>
> On Monday, 19 August 2019 17:46:21 UTC+2, coda coder wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 10:14:13 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you are right. That context connection allows back to "holism". 
>>> We rebuild her by orientation like this. *Though our next "whole" maybe 
>>> slightly over cleansed* :-)
>>>
>>>
>> Or outgrow it's original/intended purpose ;)
>>
>> And just to beat this analogy to death...
>>
>> A TW is a molecule, perhaps a long-chain molecule. Its "physics" governed 
>> by its rules (filters). 
>>
>> A TWederation (or TW Farm as mooted earlier in another thread) might be 
>> seen as a compound.
>>
>> A tiddler can be viewed as an atom or a molecule, depending -- 
>>
>> but like all analogies (and some elements), they can be unstable ;)
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Remove last character of a tiddler's text within a macro

Mark, I mean just use , See the below revised code


\define ViewTiddlerAppended()
<$set name=shortpath filter="[splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" select=1 >
<>. Nice to see you.

\end

<$vars viewpath="$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" >

<>





On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 6:23:28 PM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Statements like
>
> {{<>}} 
>
> don't work, so I assume that the filter equivalent, {} also 
> doesn't work.
>
> When I test this latter form, it doesn't work.
>
> The $(...)$ substitution approach almost always does what I originally 
> intended, so I tend to stick to it, perhaps more than I need to.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 11:09:45 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> To Josiah,
>>
>> This is an example of using regexp in Tiddlywiki worth to be included in 
>> your regexp tutorial!
>>
>> @Mark
>> Why not just using  instead of {$(viewpath)$}
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 1:59:13 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> This variant uses the new splitregexp operator to eliminate the last 
>>> character:
>>>
>>> \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
>>> <$set name=shortpath filter="[{$(viewpath)$}splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" 
>>> select=1 >
>>> <>. Nice to see you.
>>> 
>>> \end
>>>
>>> <$vars viewpath="$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" >
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 11:49:19 AM UTC-7, MagoArcade wrote:

 Let's say "$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" contains 
 the text "{line 1} Hello World}" (note the curly bracket)


 \define ViewPath()
 $:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map
 \end


 \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
 {{$(ViewPath)$}}. Nice to see you.
 \end

 How do I get <> to read:

 "{line 1} Hello World. Nice to see you."

 (i.e. remove the last character of the text in the tiddler)

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki does not have a Github Saver option

Corrected Mark, see below

https://kookma.github.io/TW5-GitHub-Saver/

--Mohammad

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 6:27:34 PM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> 404 
>
> *There isn't a GitHub Pages site here.*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 1:59:06 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> This demo show you to use the GitHub new saver feature.
>>
>> https://kookma.github.io/test-tw5github/
>>
>>
>> The previous post was based on the local edit/save/push.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 12:19:13 PM UTC+4:30, Christian Macedo 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there any way to add this as a plugin? Or, do I have to do as I fear 
>>> and download a new version of tiddlywiki and migrate all my content over?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Data tiddlers replacement

I support your idea!

Related information is better to be kept in one single tiddler specially 
when these information are small! Having a lot of tiddlers, tags, fields 
makes confusion, increase entropy of system
and normally difficult to maintain and are more error prone.

In few of plugins I used data tiddlers and it results to much compact, 
better to follow and understand structure.

--Mohammad 



On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 5:18:25 PM UTC+4:30, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Folks, 
>
> The whole discussion was probably started by a PullRequest 
> , that I made some 
> time ago. 
>
> It is about a new filter operator named: keyvalues. We do have indexes 
> and getindex which allows a "list-widget" to list all indexes or to read 
> a defined value. Using those operators you need a nested list-widget, if 
> you want to list both: the "key and the value". 
>
> That's why I did create the operator. Usage examples can be seen at an 
> example 
> wiki 
> .
>  
>
>
> The suggestion at the moment is, to implement it as a plugin. ... Which I 
> am considering. ...
>
> In the PR Jeremy pointed out, that handling many small tiddlers is the 
> same as handling 1 bigger one. .. From a program point of view this is 
> right. ... From a users point of view I think it isn't. 
>
> As Hubert pointed out in the OP, he doesn't want to use plugins. But if I 
> do create a lot of related tiddlers, where some of them are system 
> tiddlers, users need a specialized UI to export / import different states. 
> ... If there is no UI users can't reliably handle a given state. 
>
> If the "given state" is saved in 1 data-tiddler that's a simple exercise. 
>
> So IMO there is a usecase for data-tiddlers. An other example:
>
> Let's say I have a sudoku game UI, which consists of 9 x 9 fields, which 
> results in 81 cells. That's OK for most users, for 1 sudoku. 
> BUT every cell has 9 helper-cells, which gives us max 729 tiddlers. 
>
> In my special case the game field is 11 x 11 (sandwich sudoku), which 
> gives us: 11 x 11 x 9 = 1089 tiddlers. ... That's OK for me as a 
> programmer, but if I need to transfer or save a special state, its close to 
> impossible for a user to save without a specialized UI. 
>
> At the moment I do create 121 tiddlers per game, and I think that's 
> already too many. ... Especially, since 1 TW will / can contain many 
> different games. 
>
> Game initial settings and game-states should be easy to save and reload. 
> Unlimited "Undo" and "Redo" is essential for a sudoku. So data-tiddlers 
> allow me to bundle information, because it belongs together. 
>
> Just some thoughts!
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: How to easily edit transcluded text?

Kat,

Thanks for your reply. What are some of the other smart ways to address 
> this?
>

You describe your current wiki as containing

> I have a bunch of tiddlers in my wiki that contain transcluded text from 
> other tiddlers.


If you look at the way you manage and use these transcluded tiddlers there 
are a lot of alternate ways to manage them. 

   - The way you name transcluded tiddlers could be via a macro in which 
   you can show or hide an edit button
   - It is also possible to search for transclusions and list them at the 
   bottom of a tiddler as links, 
   - You could simply name all transclusions in tiddler fields and list 
   these as links
   - Your could tag each transcluded tiddler with the current one (as the 
   excise tool does)
   - Your could make a custom EditorToolbar button to facilitate this

Regards
Tony
 

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[tw5] Re: How to hide "Try it" button?

Yes, delete the whole 

<$list 
filter="[title<.state-prefix>addsuffix{!!title}addsuffix[/]addsuffix[$n$]]" 
variable=".state">
<$reveal state=<<.state>> type="nomatch" text="show">
 
 <$button set=<<.state>> setTo="show">Try it
 

<$reveal state=<<.state>> type="match" text="show">
 
 <$button set=<<.state>> setTo="">Hide
 
 
 <$reveal default="$egvar$" type="match" text="NO-SUCH-VAR">
 $eg$
 
 <$reveal default="$egvar$" type="nomatch" text="NO-SUCH-VAR">
 <<$egvar$>>
 
 



But then the .example is useless. If you explain what you want to do people 
here can help better.

--Mohammad


On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 4:29:06 PM UTC+4:30, g...@seznam.cz wrote:
>
> @Mohammand
>
> Thank you very much.
> What should I delete?
> Which option is correct?
>
>
> <$button set=<<.state>> setTo="show">Try it
>
> <$button set=<<.state>> setTo="show">Try it
>
> 
> <$button set=<<.state>> setTo="show">Try it
> 
>
> <$reveal state=<<.state>> type="nomatch" text="show">
>  
>  <$button set=<<.state>> setTo="show">Try it
>  
> 
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Polly (3) -- Downloads as HUB

For your consideration, branch:

https://github.com/Marxsal/polly/tree/Wiki-Directories

that enables a section [wikidirs] where you can list entire
directories of wikis to be restored. To avoid conflict, and because
there will be massive numbers of files, you can not specify the
download directory (though you can specify individual files from the 
download directory).

As always, be sure to have backups before trying.

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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

One thing: repetition with variation.

Its a bit moot at what point variation becomes innovation.

That is something very interesting with TW I think,

Its unusual in its revelatory aspect through complex filters. Though I 
don't think anyone has commented much on that.

Jermolene has relentlessly pursued the fragment and its combinations to 
make new wholes. A strong approach. With surprising implications

TT



On Monday, 19 August 2019 17:46:21 UTC+2, coda coder wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 10:14:13 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think you are right. That context connection allows back to "holism". 
>> We rebuild her by orientation like this. *Though our next "whole" maybe 
>> slightly over cleansed* :-)
>>
>>
> Or outgrow it's original/intended purpose ;)
>
> And just to beat this analogy to death...
>
> A TW is a molecule, perhaps a long-chain molecule. Its "physics" governed 
> by its rules (filters). 
>
> A TWederation (or TW Farm as mooted earlier in another thread) might be 
> seen as a compound.
>
> A tiddler can be viewed as an atom or a molecule, depending -- 
>
> but like all analogies (and some elements), they can be unstable ;)
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Remove last character of a tiddler's text within a macro

2019-08-19 Thread MagoArcade

Thanks Mark - this looks really good. However, what I'm wanting to do it to 
truncate the !!text inside the tiddler identified by ``viewpath`` I can't 
seem to get this to work with that. Any suggestions?

On Sunday, 18 August 2019 22:29:13 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> This variant uses the new splitregexp operator to eliminate the last 
> character:
>
> \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
> <$set name=shortpath filter="[{$(viewpath)$}splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" select
> =1 >
> <>. Nice to see you.
> 
> \end
>
> <$vars viewpath="$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" >
>
> <>
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 11:49:19 AM UTC-7, MagoArcade wrote:
>>
>> Let's say "$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" contains 
>> the text "{line 1} Hello World}" (note the curly bracket)
>>
>>
>> \define ViewPath()
>> $:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map
>> \end
>>
>>
>> \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
>> {{$(ViewPath)$}}. Nice to see you.
>> \end
>>
>> How do I get <> to read:
>>
>> "{line 1} Hello World. Nice to see you."
>>
>> (i.e. remove the last character of the text in the tiddler)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Polly (3) -- Downloads as HUB

PROMO

Polly performing at the ballet  ...

https://youtu.be/WJSj3MxkyZQ?t=95

TT

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[tw5] Re: Formatting DataTiddler Lists

2019-08-19 Thread MagoArcade

Thank Tony - you guessed right! I should have been more specific over the 
formatting requirments. I just changed my code to:

<$list filter="[[$:/tiddlypom/DTNodeTypes]indexes[]sort[title]]" 
variable="key">
  <>




and it gave me what I needed - thanks.

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[tw5] Re: Append a string containing space to a field

2019-08-19 Thread damien Dupont

Yeah, you're right, I didn't think to use a macro XD I will try tomorrow 
and I will let you know if it fits to my case ;) Thanks

On Monday, 19 August 2019 18:45:16 UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
> you don't need a filter for this, see this example-button:
>
> \define get-concatenated-value()
> $(myrow)$!$(userInput)$
> \end
>
> <$button>
> <$set name="myrow" value={{!!myrow}}>
> <$set name="userInput" value={{!!input}}>
> <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $field="myrow" $value=< concatenated-value>>/>
> 
> 
> OK
> 
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help but in fact, in my case "fourth element" represents a 
>> variable that contains an input of the user (through the edit-text) and 
>> that can contains spaces inside. 
>>
>> On Monday, 19 August 2019 18:24:51 UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Damien,
>>>
>>> maybe this trick works for you:
>>>
>>> [all[current]get[myrow]split[!]append[fourth_element]join[!]split[_]join
>>> [ ]]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>

 I recently discovered this fabulous tool (Tiddly wiki) and I'm trying 
 to customize it to my needs.
 However I need some help from Tiddly experts.

 I would like to store in the field of a tiddler the content of a table 
 row. In my tiddler, I put an edit-text field and a button to add a new 
 word 
 to the field (and then to the row).

 To do this, I decided to separate each word composing my row with "!". 
 For example the field "myrow" will contains : 
 "firstelement!secondelement!thirdelement"

 To add to this field a new word, I use a filter to insert it. It works 
 but I have a problem with element with space (ex : "fourth element") -> it 
 will be cut where the space is.

 Here is the filter I use to rewrite the "myrow" field :

 [all[current]get[myrow]split[!]append[fourth element]join[!]]

 Do you have an idea how to explain to tiddly wiki to consider "fourth 
 element" as 1 string only ? or do you have another solution ?

 I'm not so familiar with the filter syntax, if you have ressources to help 
 me, it could be great also.

 Thanks

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[tw5] Re: How to easily edit transcluded text?

2019-08-19 Thread Birthe C

Hi Kat,

I tried in my wiki version 5.1.20 and it worked.
You have to use it in the tiddler trancluding the other tiddlers. I 
understood you had a lot of those tiddlers so that will quite some work.


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Append a string containing space to a field

2019-08-19 Thread BurningTreeC

Hi again,

you don't need a filter for this, see this example-button:

\define get-concatenated-value()
$(myrow)$!$(userInput)$
\end

<$button>
<$set name="myrow" value={{!!myrow}}>
<$set name="userInput" value={{!!input}}>
<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $field="myrow" $value=<>/>


OK





Thanks for your help but in fact, in my case "fourth element" represents a 
> variable that contains an input of the user (through the edit-text) and 
> that can contains spaces inside. 
>
> On Monday, 19 August 2019 18:24:51 UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> Hi Damien,
>>
>> maybe this trick works for you:
>>
>> [all[current]get[myrow]split[!]append[fourth_element]join[!]split[_]join[ 
>> ]]
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>>
>>> I recently discovered this fabulous tool (Tiddly wiki) and I'm trying to 
>>> customize it to my needs.
>>> However I need some help from Tiddly experts.
>>>
>>> I would like to store in the field of a tiddler the content of a table 
>>> row. In my tiddler, I put an edit-text field and a button to add a new word 
>>> to the field (and then to the row).
>>>
>>> To do this, I decided to separate each word composing my row with "!". 
>>> For example the field "myrow" will contains : 
>>> "firstelement!secondelement!thirdelement"
>>>
>>> To add to this field a new word, I use a filter to insert it. It works 
>>> but I have a problem with element with space (ex : "fourth element") -> it 
>>> will be cut where the space is.
>>>
>>> Here is the filter I use to rewrite the "myrow" field :
>>>
>>> [all[current]get[myrow]split[!]append[fourth element]join[!]]
>>>
>>> Do you have an idea how to explain to tiddly wiki to consider "fourth 
>>> element" as 1 string only ? or do you have another solution ?
>>>
>>> I'm not so familiar with the filter syntax, if you have ressources to help 
>>> me, it could be great also.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Append a string containing space to a field

2019-08-19 Thread damien Dupont

Thanks for your help but in fact, in my case "fourth element" represents a 
variable that contains an input of the user (through the edit-text) and 
that can contains spaces inside. 

On Monday, 19 August 2019 18:24:51 UTC+2, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi Damien,
>
> maybe this trick works for you:
>
> [all[current]get[myrow]split[!]append[fourth_element]join[!]split[_]join[ 
> ]]
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>>
>> I recently discovered this fabulous tool (Tiddly wiki) and I'm trying to 
>> customize it to my needs.
>> However I need some help from Tiddly experts.
>>
>> I would like to store in the field of a tiddler the content of a table 
>> row. In my tiddler, I put an edit-text field and a button to add a new word 
>> to the field (and then to the row).
>>
>> To do this, I decided to separate each word composing my row with "!". 
>> For example the field "myrow" will contains : 
>> "firstelement!secondelement!thirdelement"
>>
>> To add to this field a new word, I use a filter to insert it. It works 
>> but I have a problem with element with space (ex : "fourth element") -> it 
>> will be cut where the space is.
>>
>> Here is the filter I use to rewrite the "myrow" field :
>>
>> [all[current]get[myrow]split[!]append[fourth element]join[!]]
>>
>> Do you have an idea how to explain to tiddly wiki to consider "fourth 
>> element" as 1 string only ? or do you have another solution ?
>>
>> I'm not so familiar with the filter syntax, if you have ressources to help 
>> me, it could be great also.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Append a string containing space to a field

2019-08-19 Thread BurningTreeC

Hi Damien,

maybe this trick works for you:

[all[current]get[myrow]split[!]append[fourth_element]join[!]split[_]join[ ]]



Hello everyone,

>
> I recently discovered this fabulous tool (Tiddly wiki) and I'm trying to 
> customize it to my needs.
> However I need some help from Tiddly experts.
>
> I would like to store in the field of a tiddler the content of a table 
> row. In my tiddler, I put an edit-text field and a button to add a new word 
> to the field (and then to the row).
>
> To do this, I decided to separate each word composing my row with "!". For 
> example the field "myrow" will contains : 
> "firstelement!secondelement!thirdelement"
>
> To add to this field a new word, I use a filter to insert it. It works but 
> I have a problem with element with space (ex : "fourth element") -> it will 
> be cut where the space is.
>
> Here is the filter I use to rewrite the "myrow" field :
>
> [all[current]get[myrow]split[!]append[fourth element]join[!]]
>
> Do you have an idea how to explain to tiddly wiki to consider "fourth 
> element" as 1 string only ? or do you have another solution ?
>
> I'm not so familiar with the filter syntax, if you have ressources to help 
> me, it could be great also.
>
> Thanks
>
>

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[tw5] Append a string containing space to a field

2019-08-19 Thread damien Dupont

Hello everyone,

I recently discovered this fabulous tool (Tiddly wiki) and I'm trying to 
customize it to my needs.
However I need some help from Tiddly experts.

I would like to store in the field of a tiddler the content of a table row. 
In my tiddler, I put an edit-text field and a button to add a new word to 
the field (and then to the row).

To do this, I decided to separate each word composing my row with "!". For 
example the field "myrow" will contains : 
"firstelement!secondelement!thirdelement"

To add to this field a new word, I use a filter to insert it. It works but 
I have a problem with element with space (ex : "fourth element") -> it will 
be cut where the space is.

Here is the filter I use to rewrite the "myrow" field :

[all[current]get[myrow]split[!]append[fourth element]join[!]]

Do you have an idea how to explain to tiddly wiki to consider "fourth element" 
as 1 string only ? or do you have another solution ?

I'm not so familiar with the filter syntax, if you have ressources to help me, 
it could be great also.

Thanks

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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

2019-08-19 Thread coda coder



On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 10:14:13 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> I think you are right. That context connection allows back to "holism". We 
> rebuild her by orientation like this. *Though our next "whole" maybe 
> slightly over cleansed* :-)
>
>
Or outgrow it's original/intended purpose ;)

And just to beat this analogy to death...

A TW is a molecule, perhaps a long-chain molecule. Its "physics" governed 
by its rules (filters). 

A TWederation (or TW Farm as mooted earlier in another thread) might be 
seen as a compound.

A tiddler can be viewed as an atom or a molecule, depending -- 

but like all analogies (and some elements), they can be unstable ;)


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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

Ciao coda coder
>
>
> So, in my view...
>
> A "good fragment" is, *generally speaking,* something that "belongs" in a 
> field.
>

I think you are right. That context connection allows back to "holism". We 
rebuild her by orientation like this. Though our next "whole" maybe 
slightly over cleansed :-)

TT


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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

2019-08-19 Thread coda coder

Great question.

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 9:13:24 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I tagged this as "offtopic", but I don't think it is.
>
>
Me neither. It's central to TW philosophy and TW design/programming.

There is a deep philosophical PROBLEM with fragments---as with any strong 
> approach. 
>
> *HOW small is a good fragment? And how would you know?*
>
>
>
It's context-dependent. 

TW's "elementary particle" is the field (not the tiddler), in my view. Most 
especially when viewed from a metadata perspective.

The beauty in TW's overall approach is shown in its query language 
(filters), its "algebra", where metadata choices "drive" filter choices, 
which provide for ("serve") the intended purpose.

Through a wider lens, transclusion at the tiddler-text-field level is a 
design choice made on a context-by-context basis. For example, I perform 
far more transclusions in technical guides and documentation TWs than my 
personal, note-taking wikis (bk-tw as you know, Josiah, also makes 
infrequent use of transclusion at the tiddler-text-field level, but at the 
metadata/field level it uses tons of transclusions).

So, in my view...

A "good fragment" is, *generally speaking,* something that "belongs" in a 
field.

And "how I know" is dictated by: purpose, context, knowledge of the algebra 
and personal experience ("taste").

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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

Repeat for email ...

On Monday, 19 August 2019 16:13:24 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I tagged this as "offtopic", but I don't think it is.
>
> Computing emerged in a context of being able to take something apart and 
> reassemble it in a better way and with calculation.
>
> The prior philosophical ideas behind it emerged partly from extreme ideas 
> like those of  Julien Offray de La Mettrie 
>  in 1748 with 
> "*Man 
> a Machine*."
>
> The idea that life can be reduced to "re-combinational parts" got much 
> stronger in 1818 with Mary Shelly's "Frankenstein 
> ", a seriously good literary 
> expression of Mettrie's thesis. 
>
> Originally seen as repulsive and horrific, the idea you could re-combine 
> bits into wholes is now very accepted. *Google is a large Frankenstein.*
>
> I personally like the "TW Fragment" approach Jeremy is very committed 
> to--but its a direct assault on holism.
>
> There is a deep philosophical PROBLEM with fragments---as with any strong 
> approach. 
>
> *HOW small is a good fragment? And how would you know?*
>
>
> Thoughts
> TT 
>

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[tw5] TypeError: $tw.utils.saveTiddlerToFile is not a function

2019-08-19 Thread Paulo Jerônimo

https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyWiki/issues/239

Any tip to solve this?

Thanks!

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki does not have a Github Saver option

404 

*There isn't a GitHub Pages site here.*





On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 1:59:06 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> This demo show you to use the GitHub new saver feature.
>
> https://kookma.github.io/test-tw5github/
>
>
> The previous post was based on the local edit/save/push.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 12:19:13 PM UTC+4:30, Christian Macedo wrote:
>>
>> Is there any way to add this as a plugin? Or, do I have to do as I fear 
>> and download a new version of tiddlywiki and migrate all my content over?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Remove last character of a tiddler's text within a macro

Statements like

{{<>}} 

don't work, so I assume that the filter equivalent, {} also 
doesn't work.

When I test this latter form, it doesn't work.

The $(...)$ substitution approach almost always does what I originally 
intended, so I tend to stick to it, perhaps more than I need to.

Thanks!

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 11:09:45 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> To Josiah,
>
> This is an example of using regexp in Tiddlywiki worth to be included in 
> your regexp tutorial!
>
> @Mark
> Why not just using  instead of {$(viewpath)$}
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 1:59:13 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> This variant uses the new splitregexp operator to eliminate the last 
>> character:
>>
>> \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
>> <$set name=shortpath filter="[{$(viewpath)$}splitregexp[^(.*?).$]]" 
>> select=1 >
>> <>. Nice to see you.
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> <$vars viewpath="$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" >
>>
>> <>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 11:49:19 AM UTC-7, MagoArcade wrote:
>>>
>>> Let's say "$:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map" contains 
>>> the text "{line 1} Hello World}" (note the curly bracket)
>>>
>>>
>>> \define ViewPath()
>>> $:/plugins/felixhayashi/tiddlymap/graph/views/map
>>> \end
>>>
>>>
>>> \define ViewTiddlerAppended()
>>> {{$(ViewPath)$}}. Nice to see you.
>>> \end
>>>
>>> How do I get <> to read:
>>>
>>> "{line 1} Hello World. Nice to see you."
>>>
>>> (i.e. remove the last character of the text in the tiddler)
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to easily edit transcluded text?

2019-08-19 Thread kat

Thanks Diego that is perfect and does indeed solve my exact problem. It 
doesn't seem to work on 5.1.20 at the moment but hopefully it will get 
updated at some point (unless I need to do something different when 
installing it?).

Tony,

Thanks for your reply. What are some of the other smart ways to address 
this?

Thanks again.

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 3:22:35 AM UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Kat,
>
> The great Tobias Beer has the "inc" plugin (which I have not tried yet in 
> 5.1.20):
>
> https://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#inc
>
> That solves this exact problem.
>
> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 6:11:23 PM UTC-5, kat wrote:
>>
>> I have a bunch of tiddlers in my wiki that contain transcluded text from 
>> other tiddlers.
>>
>> I keep finding myself going to edit a tiddler, realizing the text is 
>> transcluded from another tiddler, then having to then search for that 
>> tiddler to edit the original transcluded tiddler.
>>
>> This is getting kind of frustrating so I wondered if there was a good 
>> solution that would make it easy to see in a non-invasive way that a 
>> tiddler contains transclusions, and then easily edit the transcluded 
>> tiddler without lots of awkward searching/jumping around?
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Link to a Tiddler in a "local" TiddlyWiki file

2019-08-19 Thread kat

If you are working in the browser I think you need to prepend "file:///" to 
the path.

For example:

[ext[myLink|file:///D:/TW02#MyTiddler00]]

This is the path you get when you select "Permalink" from the tiddler menu.

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 11:55:52 PM UTC+1, Mohamed Amin wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I've tried to figure this out reading some old cases , but I failed (I 
> just meet TW5 2 months ago), so I appreciate your support here.
>
> Suppose that I've 2 TW5 files (TW01 and TW02), I'm trying to put a link in 
> "TW01" so when I click that link it should open the "TW02" file and show a 
> Tiddler named "MyTiddler00", I've tried the following:-
>
>
>1. If the "TW02" is hosted in a "http server", and I use the link = 
>[[myLink|http://TW02/#MyTiddler00]] , the link is working perfect and 
>the TW02 is opened with the correct Tiddler MyTiddler00
>2. If the "TW02" is stored locally (i.e. in drive "D:"), and I use the 
>link = [ext[myLink|D:/TW02/#MyTiddler00]] , Nothing is happened (No 
>response)
>3. If the "TW02" is stored locally (i.e. in drive "D:"), and I use the 
>link = [ext[myLink|D:/TW02#MyTiddler00]] (removing the LAST forward slash 
>before the "#" sign), the file "TW02" is open BUT with the "default" 
>tiddler (ex. HelloThere)
>
>
> So, did I miss something here?
>
> Thanks in Advance
>

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[tw5] Re: Data tiddlers replacement

PMario wrote:
>
> Let's say I have a sudoku game UI, which consists of 9 x 9 fields, which 
> results in 81 cells. That's OK for most users, for 1 sudoku. 
> BUT every cell has 9 helper-cells, which gives us max 729 tiddlers. 
>
> In my special case the game field is 11 x 11 (sandwich sudoku), which 
> gives us: 11 x 11 x 9 = 1089 tiddlers. ... That's OK for me as a 
> programmer, but if I need to transfer or save a special state, its close to 
> impossible for a user to save without a specialized UI. 
>
> At the moment I do create 121 tiddlers per game, and I think that's 
> already too many. ... Especially, since 1 TW will / can contain many 
> different games. 
>
> Game initial settings and game-states should be easy to save and reload. 
> Unlimited "Undo" and "Redo" is essential for a sudoku. 
>
 

> >> So data-tiddlers allow me to bundle information, because it belongs 
> together <<
>

I find it a very interesting issue. And your last sentence  good.

But IS the point more about UI than numbers?

I am struck by Jeremy's continuing strong love for the "raw unit fragment".

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: Data tiddlers replacement

2019-08-19 Thread PMario

Hi Folks,

The whole discussion was probably started by a PullRequest
, that I made some time
ago.

It is about a new filter operator named: keyvalues. We do have indexes and
getindex which allows a "list-widget" to list all indexes or to read a
defined value. Using those operators you need a nested list-widget, if you
want to list both: the "key and the value".

That's why I did create the operator. Usage examples can be seen at an example
wiki
.

The suggestion at the moment is, to implement it as a plugin. ... Which I
am considering. ...

In the PR Jeremy pointed out, that handling many small tiddlers is the same
as handling 1 bigger one. .. From a program point of view this is right.
... From a users point of view I think it isn't.

As Hubert pointed out in the OP, he doesn't want to use plugins. But if I
do create a lot of related tiddlers, where some of them are system
tiddlers, users need a specialized UI to export / import different states.
... If there is no UI users can't reliably handle a given state.

If the "given state" is saved in 1 data-tiddler that's a simple exercise.

So IMO there is a usecase for data-tiddlers. An other example:

Let's say I have a sudoku game UI, which consists of 9 x 9 fields, which
results in 81 cells. That's OK for most users, for 1 sudoku.
BUT every cell has 9 helper-cells, which gives us max 729 tiddlers.

In my special case the game field is 11 x 11 (sandwich sudoku), which gives
us: 11 x 11 x 9 = 1089 tiddlers. ... That's OK for me as a programmer, but
if I need to transfer or save a special state, its close to impossible for
a user to save without a specialized UI.

At the moment I do create 121 tiddlers per game, and I think that's already
too many. ... Especially, since 1 TW will / can contain many different
games.

Game initial settings and game-states should be easy to save and reload.
Unlimited "Undo" and "Redo" is essential for a sudoku. So data-tiddlers
allow me to bundle information, because it belongs together.

Just some thoughts!

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: How to hide "Try it" button?

2019-08-19 Thread g...@seznam.cz

@Mohammand

Thank you very much.
What should I delete?
Which option is correct?


<$button set=<<.state>> setTo="show">Try it

<$button set=<<.state>> setTo="show">Try it


<$button set=<<.state>> setTo="show">Try it


<$reveal state=<<.state>> type="nomatch" text="show">
 
 <$button set=<<.state>> setTo="show">Try it
 


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[tw5] Re: How to hide "Try it" button?

2019-08-19 Thread g...@seznam.cz

@TonyM

printscreen:https://ibb.co/C5WsnKc

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[tw5] Re: How to hide "Try it" button?

Referning 
to https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/4ChOVLtnOXg/1475vQwlAgAJ

The macro .example is part of tw5 documentation and NOT a macro distributed 
with Tiddlywiki 5.

Simply open 
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Feditions%2Ftw5.com%2Fdoc-macros 

and find the macro! Copy it in your own wiki and modify as you like!

--Mohammad

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 3:10:39 PM UTC+4:30, g...@seznam.cz wrote:
>
> Hi, how to hide "Try it" button?
>
> <$macrocall $name=".example" eg="example text">
>
>
>
> Thank you for your help
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Data tiddlers replacement

2019-08-19 Thread Hubert

Thank you for the valuable info, Jeremy, and Tony -- for the suggestion.

As a user, there's nothing to worry about thanks to our commitment to 
> backwards compatibility
>

This is exactly what I wanted to hear :)

Thanks again, I really appreciate the hard work you put into TiddlyWiki and 
I'm excited to see it evolve.

Best regards,
Hubert

On Monday, 19 August 2019 12:17:13 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> To emphasise that the discussion about deprecating data tiddlers is part 
> of the long term conversation about the evolution of the core of 
> TiddlyWiki. As a user, there's nothing to worry about thanks to our 
> commitment to backwards compatibility.
>
> And to clarify further: "deprecated" in this context doesn't mean that 
> something goes away, just that we recommend against using it for new work. 
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
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> jer...@jermolene.com 
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 19 Aug 2019, at 12:31, Jeremy Ruston > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
>
> “Data tiddlers” refers both to tiddlers formatted as JSON and those 
> formatted as a dictionary tiddler.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> --
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>
>
> On 19 Aug 2019, at 12:26, TonyM > wrote:
>
> Jeremy, Hubert,
>
> I assumed data tiddlers tends to refer to DictionaryTiddlers 
>  rather than JSONTiddlers 
> 
> Perhaps JSON tiddlers is the way to go. 
>
> And you can extend JSON handling using Joshuas JSON Tools for Tiddlywiki 
> 5.1.20! 
> if
>  
> you want to get really serious.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 7:15:35 PM UTC+10, Hubert wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> With data tiddlers being deprecated, would anyone suggest a best practice 
>> approach to storing large data sets in the flat format key:value? I know 
>> that Jeremy suggested plugins but I could not find anything remotely 
>> related.
>>
>> Among other things, I'm using TW to log my cardio workouts. I now have 
>> thousands of dictionary entries relating to cardio workouts as well as 
>> their types and durations that I dynamically retrieve to generate stats, 
>> summaries, forecasts and SVG charts. And so I was wondering if there's now 
>> a better option to have the underlying data stored within TiddlyWiki other 
>> than in a single data tiddler. I would obviously wish to avoid a scenario 
>> where each data point is a single tiddler. I would also like to avoid 
>> plugins because there's no warranty they will be maintained forever. 
>> However, if there's a "clean" solution (perhaps with the use of system 
>> tiddlers) or anything else generally considered "better" than data 
>> tiddlers, while still being as future proof as possible, then I'm open to 
>> suggestions.
>>
>> Thank you (and apologies for the wall of text).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hubert
>>
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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

Gloom, not Gloomy, wrote 

> ... see above about my problwm with html/css colors


It would be good if a colour aware programmer made CSS palettes for TW ...

*Protanomaly (1%) in men*


*Protanopia (1%) in men*

*Deuteranomaly (5+%) in men = 1 in 20 (*Red-Green Colour Blindness*)*

*Deuteranopia (1%) in men*

*Tritanomaly (rare) women & men*

*Monochromacy (rare) women & men*


I'll post separately about it as its an interesting issue.

Best wishes
TT 


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[tw5] How to hide "Try it" button?

More info required

I have no idea what you are asking

Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: Data tiddlers replacement

2019-08-19 Thread Jeremy Ruston

To emphasise that the discussion about deprecating data tiddlers is part of the 
long term conversation about the evolution of the core of TiddlyWiki. As a 
user, there's nothing to worry about thanks to our commitment to backwards 
compatibility.

And to clarify further: "deprecated" in this context doesn't mean that 
something goes away, just that we recommend against using it for new work. 

Best wishes

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> On 19 Aug 2019, at 12:31, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony
> 
> “Data tiddlers” refers both to tiddlers formatted as JSON and those formatted 
> as a dictionary tiddler.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> --
> Jeremy Ruston
> 
> 
>> On 19 Aug 2019, at 12:26, TonyM  wrote:
>> 
>> Jeremy, Hubert,
>> 
>> I assumed data tiddlers tends to refer to DictionaryTiddlers rather than 
>> JSONTiddlers
>> Perhaps JSON tiddlers is the way to go. 
>> 
>> And you can extend JSON handling using Joshuas JSON Tools for Tiddlywiki 
>> 5.1.20! if you want to get really serious.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Tony
>> 
>>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 7:15:35 PM UTC+10, Hubert wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> With data tiddlers being deprecated, would anyone suggest a best practice 
>>> approach to storing large data sets in the flat format key:value? I know 
>>> that Jeremy suggested plugins but I could not find anything remotely 
>>> related.
>>> 
>>> Among other things, I'm using TW to log my cardio workouts. I now have 
>>> thousands of dictionary entries relating to cardio workouts as well as 
>>> their types and durations that I dynamically retrieve to generate stats, 
>>> summaries, forecasts and SVG charts. And so I was wondering if there's now 
>>> a better option to have the underlying data stored within TiddlyWiki other 
>>> than in a single data tiddler. I would obviously wish to avoid a scenario 
>>> where each data point is a single tiddler. I would also like to avoid 
>>> plugins because there's no warranty they will be maintained forever. 
>>> However, if there's a "clean" solution (perhaps with the use of system 
>>> tiddlers) or anything else generally considered "better" than data 
>>> tiddlers, while still being as future proof as possible, then I'm open to 
>>> suggestions.
>>> 
>>> Thank you (and apologies for the wall of text).
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Hubert
>> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Project Hub Based on TW5 Farm Technology

2019-08-19 Thread oleghbond

Thanks.

As I see what's Next (or TODO List)

The method is in its infancy. Many things need to be done to make it really 
convenient and effective, including:

   - Further closer integration of the method with the BobEXE server is 
   required. In particular, `tw_builder.m` should be rewritten into Javascript 
   and made a plugin of BobEXE. Among other things, the module will read a 
   wiki list from the BobEXE settings.
   - The wiki directory knows all the wikis included. Therefore, it would 
   be a natural development to organize a contextual search from the wiki 
   directory for all wikis included in the directory (wiki farms). An 
   inspiring example of such wiki interaction is the Tiddliwiki's command - 
   `fetch` (see documentation). The `fetch` command, in conjunction with 
   commands such as `rendertiddler` or `savetiddler`, allow you to copy 
   selected selected tiddlers or groups of tiddlers from one wiki to another.
   - Wide creating of online wiki directories is possible as a result of 
   the introduction of a standard for wiki's external representation. This may 
   be a standard tiddler containing the logo and fields set required to 
   describe the wiki in the external directory. Or it may be a more complex 
   plugin type structure. It is important that this internal wiki object can 
   be uniquely identified from the outside and then copied (means `fetched`) 
   to the wiki directory.
   - Implementing the projects' filtration and pagination methods for their 
   viewing, filtering and grouping in the directory.


понеділок, 19 серпня 2019 р. 13:45:50 UTC+3 користувач @TiddlyTweeter 
написав:
>
> Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> It has been a while since I used octave ... but I think that most things 
>> in the script can be done directly from Bob.
>
>  
>
>> Creating a wiki using a filtered list of tiddlers from multiple other 
>> wikis is supported already and somewhere around here I made a plugin to let 
>> you use git from Bob. 
>>
>
> FWIW I think a Bob-centric approach might be economical in that its both 
> local and server enabled.
>
> My tuppence.
>
> TT 
>
>  
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Project Hub Based on TW5 Farm Technology

Jed Carty wrote:
>
> It has been a while since I used octave ... but I think that most things 
> in the script can be done directly from Bob.

 

> Creating a wiki using a filtered list of tiddlers from multiple other 
> wikis is supported already and somewhere around here I made a plugin to let 
> you use git from Bob. 
>

FWIW I think a Bob-centric approach might be economical in that its both 
local and server enabled.

My tuppence.

TT 

 

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[tw5] Re: Project Hub Based on TW5 Farm Technology

Ciao oleghbond

> The core of the technology is the tw_builder.m script, written by means 
> of a high-level programming language - *Octave*. 
>

*The editor runs this script on own computer.*
>

Having that local is a great idea! But what are the install requirements 
for that to work? Does it work on all desktop platforms? 

TT

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[tw5] How to hide "Try it" button?

2019-08-19 Thread g...@seznam.cz

Hi, how to hide "Try it" button?

<$macrocall $name=".example" eg="example text">



Thank you for your help

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Re: [tw5] Re: Project Hub Based on TW5 Farm Technology

2019-08-19 Thread Jed Carty

It has been a while since I used octave and I am on a phone so I am not 
certain, but I think that most things in the script can be done directly from 
Bob.

Creating a wiki using a filtered list of tiddlers from multiple other wikis is 
supported already and somewhere around here I made a plugin to let you use git 
from Bob. I don't know if it ever got documented.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Data tiddlers replacement

2019-08-19 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Tony

“Data tiddlers” refers both to tiddlers formatted as JSON and those formatted 
as a dictionary tiddler.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 19 Aug 2019, at 12:26, TonyM  wrote:
> 
> Jeremy, Hubert,
> 
> I assumed data tiddlers tends to refer to DictionaryTiddlers rather than 
> JSONTiddlers
> Perhaps JSON tiddlers is the way to go. 
> 
> And you can extend JSON handling using Joshuas JSON Tools for Tiddlywiki 
> 5.1.20! if you want to get really serious.
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 7:15:35 PM UTC+10, Hubert wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> With data tiddlers being deprecated, would anyone suggest a best practice 
>> approach to storing large data sets in the flat format key:value? I know 
>> that Jeremy suggested plugins but I could not find anything remotely related.
>> 
>> Among other things, I'm using TW to log my cardio workouts. I now have 
>> thousands of dictionary entries relating to cardio workouts as well as their 
>> types and durations that I dynamically retrieve to generate stats, 
>> summaries, forecasts and SVG charts. And so I was wondering if there's now a 
>> better option to have the underlying data stored within TiddlyWiki other 
>> than in a single data tiddler. I would obviously wish to avoid a scenario 
>> where each data point is a single tiddler. I would also like to avoid 
>> plugins because there's no warranty they will be maintained forever. 
>> However, if there's a "clean" solution (perhaps with the use of system 
>> tiddlers) or anything else generally considered "better" than data tiddlers, 
>> while still being as future proof as possible, then I'm open to suggestions.
>> 
>> Thank you (and apologies for the wall of text).
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Hubert
> 
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[tw5] Re: Project Hub Based on TW5 Farm Technology

Ciao oleghbond

Excellent approach! The idea to manage through a HUB I think is central. TW 
has some limits and this looks like a good way to address them

TT.

On Sunday, 18 August 2019 20:42:19 UTC+2, oleghbond wrote:
>
> *TW5 Farm* is a method of centralized multi-wiki support on the Internet.
>
> Conceptually, technology comprises the following phases:
>
>- Preparing a separate wiki by means of Tiddlywiki 
> by a group of authors on their own local 
>computers.
>- When creating the content, the authors synchronize the wiki folder 
>through the Google Drive  cloud.
>- For each wiki, the editor pre-creates a wiki repository on Github 
>, from which then the wiki is published on the 
>Internet using Github Pages .
>
> *An excellent feature of the TW5 Farm technology is the function of 
> automated collection of information on all wikis included in the collection 
> and presentation in a separate central wiki.* The central wiki for this 
> collection called *Project Hub* is located at https://protw.github.io/.
>
>
> To provide this feature, each wiki contains a standardized $:/boa/logo 
> tiddler 
> (as a separate article is referred *Tiddlywiki*), which contains the 
> information needed to represent the wiki outside.
>
> The core of the technology is the tw_builder.m script, written by means 
> of a high-level programming language - *Octave*. The editor runs this 
> script on own computer. The script updates the wiki information in the 
> *Github* repository, updates the wiki collection information, prepares 
> and executes the process of publishing on the Internet.
>
>
> The script code, additional resources, and description of the technology 
> are available at https://github.com/protw/twfarm. The technology 
> description wiki is available at https://protw.github.io/twfarm.
>
>
> For a full-fledged work, the author must be able to write texts using 
> *Tiddlywiki* and also install on own computer:
>
>- a local server for multiple wikis on *Tiddlywiki* - OokTech / 
>TW5-BobEXE ;
>- Google application Backup and sync 
>.
>
> The editor in order to run the tw_builder.m script, in addition to the 
> above list, has to install on own computer Octave sofware 
>  and the function library 
> fangq/jsonlab  to process *JSON* data.
>

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[tw5] Re: Data tiddlers replacement

Jeremy, Hubert,

I assumed data tiddlers tends to refer to DictionaryTiddlers 
 rather than JSONTiddlers 

Perhaps JSON tiddlers is the way to go. 

And you can extend JSON handling using Joshuas JSON Tools for Tiddlywiki 
5.1.20! 
if
 
you want to get really serious.

Regards
Tony

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 7:15:35 PM UTC+10, Hubert wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> With data tiddlers being deprecated, would anyone suggest a best practice 
> approach to storing large data sets in the flat format key:value? I know 
> that Jeremy suggested plugins but I could not find anything remotely 
> related.
>
> Among other things, I'm using TW to log my cardio workouts. I now have 
> thousands of dictionary entries relating to cardio workouts as well as 
> their types and durations that I dynamically retrieve to generate stats, 
> summaries, forecasts and SVG charts. And so I was wondering if there's now 
> a better option to have the underlying data stored within TiddlyWiki other 
> than in a single data tiddler. I would obviously wish to avoid a scenario 
> where each data point is a single tiddler. I would also like to avoid 
> plugins because there's no warranty they will be maintained forever. 
> However, if there's a "clean" solution (perhaps with the use of system 
> tiddlers) or anything else generally considered "better" than data 
> tiddlers, while still being as future proof as possible, then I'm open to 
> suggestions.
>
> Thank you (and apologies for the wall of text).
>
> Regards,
> Hubert
>

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[tw5] Re: Project Hub Based on TW5 Farm Technology

Mohammad commented:
>
> Why not use more common scripting language like Python or newly popular 
> shell scripting Powershell!
>

Its been interesting using PowerShell (v 6+ that works on Win, Linux, 
MacOS) for Polly. And I am NOT a programmer. Its high level coding is 
compact and flexible. It was surprising how easy it can be..

TT

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Re: [tw5] Data tiddlers replacement

2019-08-19 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Hubert

Sorry for the confusion, data tiddlers are not deprecated yet, and won’t be 
until there are enough better ways to achieve the same goals. I’m on my phone 
and so can’t easily reference the thread, but the discussion on GitHub was 
prompted by a request to extend the support for data tiddlers which I want to 
avoid if they are to be eventually deprecated.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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> On 19 Aug 2019, at 11:15, Hubert  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> With data tiddlers being deprecated, would anyone suggest a best practice 
> approach to storing large data sets in the flat format key:value? I know that 
> Jeremy suggested plugins but I could not find anything remotely related.
> 
> Among other things, I'm using TW to log my cardio workouts. I now have 
> thousands of dictionary entries relating to cardio workouts as well as their 
> types and durations that I dynamically retrieve to generate stats, summaries, 
> forecasts and SVG charts. And so I was wondering if there's now a better 
> option to have the underlying data stored within TiddlyWiki other than in a 
> single data tiddler. I would obviously wish to avoid a scenario where each 
> data point is a single tiddler. I would also like to avoid plugins because 
> there's no warranty they will be maintained forever. However, if there's a 
> "clean" solution (perhaps with the use of system tiddlers) or anything else 
> generally considered "better" than data tiddlers, while still being as future 
> proof as possible, then I'm open to suggestions.
> 
> Thank you (and apologies for the wall of text).
> 
> Regards,
> Hubert
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[tw5] Copy result of wikitext and macros to clipboard

Folks,

I believe I should know this, but I have a tiddler name "tiddlername" which 
contains wikitext, list macros and more. Its a beautiful representation of 
a csv file from my tiddler data and fields.

In any tiddler I can place {{tiddlername}} and see the wonderful result.

However I want to be able to copy the *result* as text 

<$button message="tm-copy-to-clipboard" param=  >
Copy to clipboard


*How do I provide this with the appropriate parameter ?*

I have another tiddler called "realcutetiddler" which renders a really nice 
HTML output. Rather than save this as a static html tiddler I would like to 
copy the HTML result to the clipboard

*Again How do I provide the above with the appropriate parameter ?*

At the moment, with everything I try I just get in the clipboard the raw 
unprocessed wiki text in my tiddlers.

*Yours, very lost.*

Tony

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[tw5] Data tiddlers replacement

2019-08-19 Thread Hubert

Hello,

With data tiddlers being deprecated, would anyone suggest a best practice 
approach to storing large data sets in the flat format key:value? I know 
that Jeremy suggested plugins but I could not find anything remotely 
related.

Among other things, I'm using TW to log my cardio workouts. I now have 
thousands of dictionary entries relating to cardio workouts as well as 
their types and durations that I dynamically retrieve to generate stats, 
summaries, forecasts and SVG charts. And so I was wondering if there's now 
a better option to have the underlying data stored within TiddlyWiki other 
than in a single data tiddler. I would obviously wish to avoid a scenario 
where each data point is a single tiddler. I would also like to avoid 
plugins because there's no warranty they will be maintained forever. 
However, if there's a "clean" solution (perhaps with the use of system 
tiddlers) or anything else generally considered "better" than data 
tiddlers, while still being as future proof as possible, then I'm open to 
suggestions.

Thank you (and apologies for the wall of text).

Regards,
Hubert

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki does not have a Github Saver option

This demo show you to use the GitHub new saver feature.

https://kookma.github.io/test-tw5github/


The previous post was based on the local edit/save/push.

--Mohammad

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 12:19:13 PM UTC+4:30, Christian Macedo wrote:
>
> Is there any way to add this as a plugin? Or, do I have to do as I fear 
> and download a new version of tiddlywiki and migrate all my content over?
>

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