date:20200414

Sorry Eric, discard my previous reply, I had not seen this one.

FYI, importing the 1st tiddler went fine. After I imported this 2nd one it 
froze my wiki: clicking on links or in the search field did nothing.


15 Apr 2020, 05:01 by elsdes...@gmail.com:

> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> The following gives you an interface that constructs more specific search 
>> filters:
>> http://tiddlytools.com/>> filtergenerators.html#>> TiddlyTools%>> 
>> 2FFilterGenerators%>> 2FPowerSearch
>> Copy the above tiddler to your document.  There are no dependencies.
>>
>
> There is actually one dependency: 
>
> http://tiddlytools.com/filtergenerators.html#TiddlyTools%2FMacros%2Fedit-list
>
> which provides a hybrid edit/select control that allows you to either enter a 
> value or select from a list of pre-defined values
>
> So... to make it work in your own document, you need *both* of the above 
> mentioned tiddlers.
>
> -e
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Re: [tw5] Re: Can "search" include

Eric, thanks, that's awesome too. After importing  the Field Search plug-in I 
also imported this one. When I do an Advanced search I don't see the options of 
your Power Search.


14 Apr 2020, 20:46 by elsdes...@gmail.com:

> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 9:51:57 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
>> I have some fields in my tiddlers filled in with text, such as names, URLs, 
>> etc.
>> A normal search in the search box does not yield any info from the field 
>> values, and Advanced search does not cover it either. Is there any way to 
>> search those fields?
>>
>
> The following gives you an interface that constructs more specific search 
> filters:
>
> http://tiddlytools.com/filtergenerators.html#TiddlyTools%2FFilterGenerators%2FPowerSearch
>
> Copy the above tiddler to your document.  There are no dependencies.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
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Re: [tw5] First Real (Large) Edition

I agree with Diego!
This is not only useful for newbies but also for other users.
It is really difficult to find plugins from googling or this forum!

--Mohammad

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 10:38:18 PM UTC+4:30, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey Jeremy,
>
> Thanks for the response! My followup questions:
>
>- Is it possible to have "community editions" that consist of non 
>official plugins, but are still part of the "official TW editions"/listed 
>on the main page? 
>- or, is it possible to expand the official plugin library to include 
>something like tiddlyblink, which would support an official notetaking 
>edition? 
>
> Just thinking out loud.
>
> Diego
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 10:59:30 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Diego
>>
>> I think there is a lot of momentum building on creating an edition of TW 
>> that "feels finished" like Roam. Do we think this could be the first real 
>> "full" (as in not close to empty) edition we could have as an official 
>> community edition? 
>>
>>
>> That sounds like something we might call a notetaking edition (we have 
>> other editions like the translators edition, and in fact we already have a 
>> “full” edition at https://tiddlywiki.com/editions/full/). 
>>
>> The only constraint is that such an edition would be constrained to using 
>> the plugins from the official plugin library.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Can "search" include

Thank you !!
14 Apr 2020, 20:39 by matiasg...@gmail.com:

> http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Searching%20In%20Tiddler%20Fields
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[tw5] Re: send multiple words to macro without quotes?



On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:44:32 PM UTC-7, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Nifty code. I still think it should be trivial for the macro code to 
> provide an all params parameter? Then it could be enlisted.
>
>
You mean like in the core? Yeah that might be fun. Maybe even useful. That 
makes me think of another filter wish. A "tee" filter. Maybe I'll start a 
thread. 

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[tw5] Re: send multiple words to macro without quotes?

Mark,

Nifty code. I still think it should be trivial for the macro code to 
provide an all params parameter? Then it could be enlisted.

eg; \define h(t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 t7 t8 t9 t10)

Use $t1$ $t6$ etc or $allparams$ to get every parameter in the order listed 
with or without a name.
Arguably if it has a name as a name="value" pair, or just "value"

But I could not raise an interest in this when I last tried. It would open 
up a set of possible algorithms currently a little more dificult even 
impossible in some cases.

Regards
Tony 

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 1:26:10 PM UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 4:35:18 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>
>> I have a feeling the range operator should be usable here but not sure 
>> how.
>>
>>
> You're right. The range operator can make the second part of the macro 
> even simpler:
>
> \define h(t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 t7 t8 t9 t10)
> <$vars un="__">
> 
> <$list filter="[range[10]] 
> +[addprefix[t]addprefixaddsuffixgetvariable[]]" variable="myvar">
> <>
> 
> 
> 
> \end
>
> So now if you want to add parameters, you just need to add parameters and 
> adjust the "range" operator to match.
>
>
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[tw5] Re: send multiple words to macro without quotes?



On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 4:35:18 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> I have a feeling the range operator should be usable here but not sure how.
>
>
You're right. The range operator can make the second part of the macro even 
simpler:

\define h(t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 t7 t8 t9 t10)
<$vars un="__">

<$list filter="[range[10]] 
+[addprefix[t]addprefixaddsuffixgetvariable[]]" variable="myvar">
<>



\end

So now if you want to add parameters, you just need to add parameters and 
adjust the "range" operator to match.


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[tw5] Re: Can "search" include

2020-04-14 Thread Eric Shulman

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> The following gives you an interface that constructs more specific search 
> filters:
>
> http://tiddlytools.com/filtergenerators.html#TiddlyTools%2FFilterGenerators%2FPowerSearch
> Copy the above tiddler to your document.  There are no dependencies.
>

There is actually one dependency: 

http://tiddlytools.com/filtergenerators.html#TiddlyTools%2FMacros%2Fedit-list

which provides a hybrid edit/select control that allows you to either enter 
a value or select from a list of pre-defined values

So... to make it work in your own document, you need *both* of the above 
mentioned tiddlers.

-e

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[tw5] Re: Can "search" include

Eric,

That is a lovely piece of work, it could be adapted for building filters to 
insert into wiki text especially for newcomers, however it is focused on 
search, I wonder if it would be easy to expand to other filter needs.

Great Stuff

Tony



On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 3:46:29 AM UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 9:51:57 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>>
>> I have some fields in my tiddlers filled in with text, such as names, 
>> URLs, etc.
>> A normal search in the search box does not yield any info from the field 
>> values, and Advanced search does not cover it either. Is there any way to 
>> search those fields?
>>
>
> The following gives you an interface that constructs more specific search 
> filters:
>
>
> http://tiddlytools.com/filtergenerators.html#TiddlyTools%2FFilterGenerators%2FPowerSearch
>
> Copy the above tiddler to your document.  There are no dependencies.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
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[tw5] Re: Flask + Tiddlywiki

Folks,

tw-receiver is a great PHP saver for single file tiddlywikis.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 4:28:12 AM UTC+10, blarg H wrote:
>
> Has anyone used the flask web development framework instead of node.js to 
> self hose their tiddlywiki?
>
> and if you have, how did you go about using it?
>

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[tw5] Re: send multiple words to macro without quotes?

Dave,

I have gone down this path before. In various batch/command languages there 
is a reference for all parameters in a macro but not in tiddlywiki, but I 
do not see what you gain with your laziness, other than more complexity, 
thus work. Here are a few ways to call a macro with multiple words; I could 
possibly come up with half  dozen more if you want.

\define h(txt) $txt$
\define hvar() $(text)$
\define hfield(fieldname) {{!!$fieldname$}}


<>
<>
<>
<>
<>
<$macrocall $name=h txt="text as named parameter in macrocall"/>


<
multiple lines in one parameter
""">>


<$macrocall $name=h 
txt="text as named parameter in macrocall"/>


<>


<$set name=text value="Text in a specific variable name">
<>


But perhaps just use this 
plugin http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftg%2Fhighlight-button

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 6:19:35 AM UTC+10, Dave wrote:
>
> Here's a simple macro for highlighting text:
> \define h(txt) $txt$
> <>
>
>
> but the way I have it, it just shows "text" highlighted.
>
> If I do this <> then it works fine.
>
>
> But, seeing as I'm *super lazy*, I was wondering if there's a way to 
> change the macro itself to accept all the text sent to is as one blob
>
> I tried
>  \define h(txt) "$txt$"
> but it just showed "text" (with yellow highlight)
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> - Dave
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: send multiple words to macro without quotes?

OK, you have a point!

I have a feeling the range operator should be usable here but not sure how.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: IndieWeb and TW

Hey Chris, welcome! Looks like you are off and running with TW. I look 
forward to reading up on what you are doing re: Webmentions.

I've added links to your notes on my TW5 Tribal Knowledge site: 
https://techlifeweb.com/tiddlywiki/tw5tribalknowledge.html

Scott

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:38:00 PM UTC-7, Chris Aldrich wrote:
>
> TiddlyWiki *is *a very solid looking platform for IndieWeb use 
> (essentially using TW as a personal website). I am having some issues with 
> the js;dr (cURL-ability) issue, but there are some methods for using it to 
> create a static website.
>
> To help others out and provide some examples, I've started a stub page 
> for TiddlyWiki on the IndieWeb wiki , 
> which uses MediaWiki. (If you have the rel="me" stuff set up in the second 
> article about h-card linked below, you should be able to use your 
> TiddlyWiki URL to log into the IndieWeb wiki and document yourself, 
> changes, and ideas.) 
>
> I've been writing up some of my explorations using TiddlyWiki for IndieWeb 
> on my primary website (with copies on my TiddlyWiki) for those who are 
> interested in taking a look or experimenting for themselves.
>
>- Self-hosting TiddlyWiki with GitHub Pages 
>
> 
>- An h-card for my TiddlyWiki 
>
>- Webmention for TiddlyWiki to enable website to website notifications 
>and communication 
>
> 
>
> For those interested in following my particular progress, you can find all 
> of my related content on my site with this tag: 
> https://boffosocko.com/tag/tiddlywiki/ or follow via RSS at 
> https://boffosocko.com/tag/tiddlywiki/feed/.
>
> For those who are interested in delving in further, I might suggest 
> looking at my IndieWeb/TiddlyWiki To Do List 
>  
> for things that could potentially be worth working on next:
> * adding proper h-entry and h-feed microformats markup 
> * adding microformats markup and/or customizing tiddlers as articles, 
> notes, bookmarks, and other types of posts
> * backfeed of comments from Twitter, Flickr, Instagram, GitHub, Mastodon 
> using Brid.gy
> * adding a full implementation of webmentions for core
> ** figuring out the js;dr problem for sending webmentions
> * Adding set up to potentially allow posting to TiddlyWiki using Micropub 
> (may run into js;dr problems?)
> * Look into using TiddlyWiki as a Micropub server
> * Adding header information for using TiddlyWiki with Microsub readers 
> (this should be fairly easy)
>
> There is a lot of open source code in a variety of languages that does a 
> lot of this stuff already in addition to lots of examples, so do search the 
> IndieWeb wiki or ask in the IndieWeb chat 
>  for help or pointers so that you 
> won't necessarily need to reinvent the wheel. 
>
> Cheers,
> Chris Aldrich
> https://boffosocko.com
> https://tw.boffosocko.com (TW5)
>
> (Originally posted on https://boffosocko.com/2020/04/14/55770239/)
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 7:08:10 AM UTC-8, Tristan wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I read about IndieWeb  some time ago and managed 
>> to dive into it a little the last days. As far as I can tell TW would be a 
>> perfect fit for this and since we are moving to federation it should be 
>> quite easy to integrate - at least that is what I thought... I found 
>> Hangout #52 when Jeremy mentioned IndieWeb - but unfortunately these 5 
>> seconds is all there is about this matter.
>>
>> First of I thought adding the "rel-me" to the single page version was all 
>> one had to do, but I think that was naive ;)
>> My next idea was that maybe I could tweak the static page generation 
>> template but that again would destroy dynamic syndication...
>>
>> So my question is (please bare with me if I missed some source) does 
>> anybody has something running or some pre-release stuff in this direction?
>> And if not (most probably) do you have any idea/advice/hint...?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tristan
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: send multiple words to macro without quotes?



\define h(*t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 t7 t8 t9 t10*)
<$vars un="__">

<$list filter="*t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 t7 t8 t9 t10* 
+[addprefixaddsuffixgetvariable[]]" variable="myvar">
<>



\end

Notice the parts in bold blue are identical. You don't have to decorate 
each parameter with $dollarSigns$. 
This may seem unnecessary, but you might feel differently if you wanted to 
highlight a two hundred word
citation.


On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:26:22 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Sure, but then you have to construct a new substitution variable for each 
>> argument. With this approach, you can just copy the parameters into the 
>> filter.
>>
>
> ...That must either be a pretty funny joke OR I have no idea what you're 
> talking about :-)
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: IndieWeb and TW

2020-04-14 Thread Chris Aldrich

TiddlyWiki *is *a very solid looking platform for IndieWeb use (essentially 
using TW as a personal website). I am having some issues with the js;dr 
(cURL-ability) issue, but there are some methods for using it to create a 
static website.

To help others out and provide some examples, I've started a stub page for 
TiddlyWiki on the IndieWeb wiki , which 
uses MediaWiki. (If you have the rel="me" stuff set up in the second 
article about h-card linked below, you should be able to use your 
TiddlyWiki URL to log into the IndieWeb wiki and document yourself, 
changes, and ideas.) 

I've been writing up some of my explorations using TiddlyWiki for IndieWeb 
on my primary website (with copies on my TiddlyWiki) for those who are 
interested in taking a look or experimenting for themselves.

   - Self-hosting TiddlyWiki with GitHub Pages 

   - An h-card for my TiddlyWiki 

   - Webmention for TiddlyWiki to enable website to website notifications 
   and communication 

For those interested in following my particular progress, you can find all 
of my related content on my site with this tag: 
https://boffosocko.com/tag/tiddlywiki/ or follow via RSS at 
https://boffosocko.com/tag/tiddlywiki/feed/.

For those who are interested in delving in further, I might suggest looking 
at my [[IndieWeb/TiddlyWiki To Do List|
http://tw.boffosocko.com/#IndieWeb%20for%20TiddlyWiki%20to%20do%20list]] for 
things that could potentially be worth working on next:
* adding proper h-entry and h-feed microformats markup 
* adding microformats markup and/or customizing tiddlers as articles, 
notes, bookmarks, and other types of posts
* backfeed of comments from Twitter, Flickr, Instagram, GitHub, Mastodon 
using Brid.gy
* adding a full implementation of webmentions for core
** figuring out the js;dr problem for sending webmentions
* Adding set up to potentially allow posting to TiddlyWiki using Micropub 
(may run into js;dr problems?)
* Look into using TiddlyWiki as a Micropub server
* Adding header information for using TiddlyWiki with Microsub readers 
(this should be fairly easy)

There is a lot of open source code in a variety of languages that does a 
lot of this stuff already in addition to lots of examples, so do search the 
IndieWeb wiki or ask in the IndieWeb chat 
 for help or pointers so that you 
won't necessarily need to reinvent the wheel. 

Cheers,
Chris Aldrich
https://boffosocko.com
https://tw.boffosocko.com (TW5)

(Originally posted on https://boffosocko.com/2020/04/14/55770239/)

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 7:08:10 AM UTC-8, Tristan wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I read about IndieWeb  some time ago and managed 
> to dive into it a little the last days. As far as I can tell TW would be a 
> perfect fit for this and since we are moving to federation it should be 
> quite easy to integrate - at least that is what I thought... I found 
> Hangout #52 when Jeremy mentioned IndieWeb - but unfortunately these 5 
> seconds is all there is about this matter.
>
> First of I thought adding the "rel-me" to the single page version was all 
> one had to do, but I think that was naive ;)
> My next idea was that maybe I could tweak the static page generation 
> template but that again would destroy dynamic syndication...
>
> So my question is (please bare with me if I missed some source) does 
> anybody has something running or some pre-release stuff in this direction?
> And if not (most probably) do you have any idea/advice/hint...?
>
> Cheers
> Tristan
>

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[tw5] Re: Show fields based on tags?

Ah...my question wasn't clear because I dashed it off between meetings...
This is close but what I want to do is be able to enter into the filed (or 
adjust its value)

I do currently use Mohammad's Utility plugin which gives me the Show Fields 
button and that is very useful. But I don't need to show all fields. I only 
need them on a tiddler at a certain time when it is tagged 'done'.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:35:28 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Sure. Here't the general idea for a conditional viewtemplate:
>
> tags: $:/tags/ViewTemplate
> text:
> <$list filter="[all[current]tag[THETAG]]">
> {{!!THEFIELD}}
> 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: send multiple words to macro without quotes?

Mark S. wrote:
>
> Sure, but then you have to construct a new substitution variable for each 
> argument. With this approach, you can just copy the parameters into the 
> filter.
>

...That must either be a pretty funny joke OR I have no idea what you're 
talking about :-)

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: send multiple words to macro without quotes?

Sure, but then you have to construct a new substitution variable for each 
argument. With this approach, you can just copy the parameters into the 
filter.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:07:58 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> I would think even this is enough:
>
> \define h(t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 t7 t8 t9 t10) $t1$ $t2$ $t3$ etc 
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: send multiple words to macro without quotes?

I would think even this is enough:

\define h(t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 t7 t8 t9 t10) $t1$ $t2$ $t3$ etc 

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: send multiple words to macro without quotes?

2020-04-14 Thread Dave

Awesome, thanks!

I don't understand *exactly* how that works, especially the 
+[addprefixaddsuffixgetvariable[]] part, but I'm sure once I do 
understand it, that might be useful for other things too!!


Thanks,
- Dave

>
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[tw5] Re: send multiple words to macro without quotes?

Here's a version that will highlight up to ten words. Just make appropriate 
adjustments to the macro definition and the filter to make it work for as 
many words as you think you'll need.

\define h(t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 t7 t8 t9 t10)
<$vars un="__">

<$list filter="t1 t2 t3 t4 t5 t6 t7 t8 t9 t10 
+[addprefixaddsuffixgetvariable[]]" variable="myvar">
<>



\end





On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 1:19:35 PM UTC-7, Dave wrote:
>
> Here's a simple macro for highlighting text:
> \define h(txt) $txt$
> <>
>
>
> but the way I have it, it just shows "text" highlighted.
>
> If I do this <> then it works fine.
>
>
> But, seeing as I'm *super lazy*, I was wondering if there's a way to 
> change the macro itself to accept all the text sent to is as one blob
>
> I tried
>  \define h(txt) "$txt$"
> but it just showed "text" (with yellow highlight)
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> - Dave
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] send multiple words to macro without quotes?

2020-04-14 Thread Dave

Here's a simple macro for highlighting text:
\define h(txt) $txt$
<>


but the way I have it, it just shows "text" highlighted.

If I do this <> then it works fine.


But, seeing as I'm *super lazy*, I was wondering if there's a way to change 
the macro itself to accept all the text sent to is as one blob

I tried
 \define h(txt) "$txt$"
but it just showed "text" (with yellow highlight)

Any ideas?

Thanks,
- Dave



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[tw5] Re: Flask + Tiddlywiki

2020-04-14 Thread Jed Carty

If you want to just host the wiki in read-only mode you can use anything 
that works as a static file server, I only used flask once for a tiny 
project, so I don't know the specifics.

If you want to run the server version of tiddlywiki it is written in node 
so you would have to rewrite the entire thing in python if you want to use 
that with flask.

If you just want a python back-end that can save your wikis instead of 
using php that wouldn't be too difficult, it just has to accept a POST that 
contains the wiki and saving credentials and save the file to the file 
system.

I made the BobSaver plugin, it is designed to work on the local machine so 
it doesn't have much in the way of security, but I made node, Julia and 
python scripts that can be used as the server, so it may help.

https://gitlab.com/ooktech-public/bobsaver/-/blob/master/servers/BobSaverServer.py

There are other savers people have made, but I don't remember any names.

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[tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

Dave: Not sure about the scrollbars. I've never really used it at lower 
resolutions. Perhaps post a screenshot? 
As I mentioned, this was designed for personal use and as a proof of 
concept rather than for general consumption, so it's possible there are 
some unresolved issues on smaller screens. But it should just be CSS and 
not too hard to fix.

This setup is part of a larger and multi-facted workflow that works for me, 
and I have shared it mostly as a guide as to how to get two stories up and 
running as I think it would benefit the work a few people in the community 
are doing.

I've added a minimal fusion of the shift+click capabilities with 
TiddlyBlink as well in the tiddler For TiddlyBlink:
http://sq-twostories.tiddlyspot.com 

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 7:34:10 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks I will check that out. I have to attend to other things for a while.
>
> The scrollbar was missing even though both stories had tiddlers that 
> extended below the screen. My settings were 1270 and 1270.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 12:27:40 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> David: not sure but possible the scrollbar was only needed for the 
>> sidebar, i.e. the story fits on screen without scrolling. Open more 
>> tiddlers in that story and you should get a scrollbar.
>>
>> Also, reload. Added something for TiddlyBlink that *might* work.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 7:22:18 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> One question: where did the right story scrollbar go when I hid the 
>>> sidebar?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 12:05:52 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 Hey everyone,

 I am sharing my two story tiddlywiki setup that I have been using for 
 the last couple of years, as it has come to my attention that there is 
 still some interest in this. This isn't really designed to be freely 
 reusable at this point and is still rough around the edges, but hopefully 
 it proves useful. I am planning to rewrite this from scratch based on my 
 learnings in the near future.

 This was done more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the 
 UI would be significantly different. I implemented this in 2017 partly as 
 an exercise in learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it 
 worked better than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking 
 the time to refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms 
 of code and CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width 
 the 
 sidebar is hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one 
 stop layout. It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920px+ 
 width)

 Furthermore some parts could be better streamlined now that I 
 understand TW5 a lot better and also due to some welcome changes in the 
 core.

 http://sq-twostories.tiddlyspot.com/

 Let me know if anything doesn't work, I've ripped this out of a larger 
 and more complex TiddlyWiki and hopefully I got all the important bits.

- Shift click links to open in the other story
- Shift click the edit button to edit in the other story - I 
probably use this feature the most.
- Dropzones above each story - not as useful as I had first expected
- Each tiddler has a "divert" button in the toolbar that opens it 
in the other story.
- Screen width > 1920, you get two stories and the normal sidebar
- Screen width > 1920 %% < 1280, the sidebar overlaps the second 
story and can be hidden
- Screen width < 1280, the second story is hidden

 If you add this as is to a TiddlyWiki with a custom theme, you more 
 than likely will need to adapt the css a fair bit.

 Regards,
 Saq

>>>

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Re: [tw5] Two stories in TiddlyWiki

2020-04-14 Thread Mohammad Rahmani

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:03 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Some small comments
>> - Close all button only closes tiddler on the left!
>>
>
> There is a separate close all button for both stories.
>
>

Good!

> - On closing the right sidebar, the right panel margin to the screen
>> border is small
>>
>
> Yep, you will find lots of such visual eye-sores. The focus when I worked
> on this was purely functional, and I haven't refined it as I plan to redo
> the entire UI as soon as time permits. The CSS is what I considered the
> bare minimum to get this functional at the time.
>

Great addition. Thank you again!

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[tw5] Re: Show fields based on tags?

Thanks! I'll give it a try.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:35:28 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Sure. Here't the general idea for a conditional viewtemplate:
>
> tags: $:/tags/ViewTemplate
> text:
> <$list filter="[all[current]tag[THETAG]]">
> {{!!THEFIELD}}
> 
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: Show fields based on tags?

Sure. Here't the general idea for a conditional viewtemplate:

tags: $:/tags/ViewTemplate
text:
<$list filter="[all[current]tag[THETAG]]">
{{!!THEFIELD}}


<:-)

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[tw5] Show fields based on tags?

Is there a way to show fields based on a tag?  In one of my I have only 
certain tiddlers where it would be nice to be able to see the fields.

Thanks,
Scott

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[tw5] Flask + Tiddlywiki

2020-04-14 Thread blarg H

Has anyone used the flask web development framework instead of node.js to 
self hose their tiddlywiki?

and if you have, how did you go about using it?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>
> 1) drag-block-side-panel.gif 
> 
>

Oh! That's very cool! Not that you asked for it but I think the drag'n 
dropping of bullets should be doable in TW also but maybe the bullet 
content has to be in separate tiddlers already... not sure... maybe the 
action of dropping could also create a tiddler... 

> 2) menu-collapse.gif 
> 
>

OK, so that is for comparing notes then. (And, again not that you asked, 
but that "open/close" is of course doable with the revealwidget)

Thanks.

<:-) 

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[tw5] Re: First Real (Large) Edition

2020-04-14 Thread Jed Carty

I think that this would be a good excuse to go through community plugins 
and determine what we want to put into the main plugin library.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

@Mat Here is are a couple of gifs created which shows how you can use the
side-by-side view, I use it all the time collate content from other notes
into a new one to write blog posts :)

1) drag-block-side-panel.gif


2) menu-collapse.gif


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> @David - OK, makes sense. Thanks.
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Re: [tw5] First Real (Large) Edition

2020-04-14 Thread Diego Mesa

Hey Jeremy,

Thanks for the response! My followup questions:

   - Is it possible to have "community editions" that consist of non 
   official plugins, but are still part of the "official TW editions"/listed 
   on the main page? 
   - or, is it possible to expand the official plugin library to include 
   something like tiddlyblink, which would support an official notetaking 
   edition? 
   
Just thinking out loud.

Diego

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 10:59:30 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Diego
>
> I think there is a lot of momentum building on creating an edition of TW 
> that "feels finished" like Roam. Do we think this could be the first real 
> "full" (as in not close to empty) edition we could have as an official 
> community edition? 
>
>
> That sounds like something we might call a notetaking edition (we have 
> other editions like the translators edition, and in fact we already have a 
> “full” edition at https://tiddlywiki.com/editions/full/). 
>
> The only constraint is that such an edition would be constrained to using 
> the plugins from the official plugin library.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.15: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary

2020-04-14 Thread Rahul Kashyap

Ah! thanks a lot. 

-Rahul

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:24:31 AM UTC-4, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Rahul,
>
>  See the answer! I also attached the example.
>
>
>
> [image: chrome_RULFP03ZQC.png]
>
>
> The trick is in Tiddlywiki always add an empty line to get the block 
> output. So add a line after *src:"*
>
> -- Mohammad
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 7:40:26 PM UTC+4:30, Rahul Kashyap wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mohammad, 
>>
>> Thanks for these amazing suits of plugins. I have been using it 
>> extensively in my work. 
>>
>
> Glad it is useful!
>  
>
>>
>> I can across a bug as described in the attached screenshot. The details 
>> macro doesn't work with the monospace block formatting for some reason. It 
>> breaks when it encounters a double quote inside the block formatting. 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2020-04-14 at 11.03.50.png]
>>
>>
>> Thanks and Regards, 
>> -Rahul
>>
>> On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 4:28:31 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
>>> *Date: Feb 7th, 2020*
>>> *Release: 2.0.15 beta*
>>> *Status: beta under development*
>>>
>>> A new beta update is available.
>>>
>>> This update contains tons of new features and improved documentation. 
>>> The focus is now on dynamics tables.
>>> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is a subset lite version of Revolutionary 
>>> plugin TiddlyTables by Alaan Aldrich. So all kudos goes to Alaan.
>>>
>>> This version has an example of creating task manager using table-fd 
>>> which demonstrate how powerful are dynamic tables in Shiraz!
>>> All of these are based the wonderful transclusion in Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>>
>>> As always I welcome all your feedback and comments and hope your 
>>> evaluation help improving the Shiraz plugin!
>>>
>>> *IMPORTANT NOTE:*
>>>  Those who update from Shiraz 2 beta note that, the table-fd, table-id 
>>> parameters are renamed for better compatibility with other part of Shiraz 
>>> plugin.
>>>
>>> A tutorial of latest changes has been attached!
>>>
>>> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
>>> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>>>
>>> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
>>> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>>>
>>>
>>> A permview 
>>> to
>>>  
>>> see the latest changes (like tutorial)
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>> Revision 2.0.15
>>>
>>>- Date: [6th Feb 2020]
>>>- [NEW] the table-fd supports special column template tbl-checkbox
>>>- [NEW] the table-fd supports column templates priority, status, 
>>>due-date
>>>- [NEW] task manager example using table-fd
>>>- [NEW] documentation for numerical summary in dynamic tables
>>>- [FIXED] dynamic tables parameters are simplified like tblCaption 
>>>to caption, tblClass to class, tblFooter to footerRows
>>>- Warning: New update is not compatible with dynamic tables from 
>>>older release. Use tiddler commander to resolve the issue after update.
>>>
>>> Revision 2.0.14
>>>
>>>- Date: [31st Jan 2020]
>>>- [NEW] table footer to be used for any type of summary
>>>- [NEW] mathematics macros to claculate the below values for a column
>>>   - count
>>>   - minall
>>>   - maxall
>>>   - sum
>>>   - product
>>>   - mean (arithematic average)
>>>   - median
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

@David - OK, makes sense. Thanks.

<:-) 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

@Mat

Writers would like to see source material next to what they are writing.

Thinkers may want to compare two ideas side by side.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:50 PM Mat  wrote:

> Forgive my lack of imagination but could someone describe the workflow, or
> rather the use case, for this? I don't say that as a critique, I'm just
> wondering why I don't get how this would be so useful.
>
> Thanks.
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[tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

Forgive my lack of imagination but could someone describe the workflow, or 
rather the use case, for this? I don't say that as a critique, I'm just 
wondering why I don't get how this would be so useful.

Thanks.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Can "search" include

2020-04-14 Thread Eric Shulman

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 9:51:57 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> I have some fields in my tiddlers filled in with text, such as names, 
> URLs, etc.
> A normal search in the search box does not yield any info from the field 
> values, and Advanced search does not cover it either. Is there any way to 
> search those fields?
>

The following gives you an interface that constructs more specific search 
filters:

http://tiddlytools.com/filtergenerators.html#TiddlyTools%2FFilterGenerators%2FPowerSearch

Copy the above tiddler to your document.  There are no dependencies.

enjoy,
-e

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

Apropos multiple story rivers, it's worth noting that Jeremy is currently 
working on a new page template 
 where the drafted 
ideas include very simple ways to add multiple story rivers and other page 
components. If you have or thoughts on it, do contribute there.

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[tw5] Re: Can "search" include

http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Searching%20In%20Tiddler%20Fields

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Re: [tw5] Two stories in TiddlyWiki

Hi Mohammad,

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 7:25:33 PM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
> Some small comments
> - Close all button only closes tiddler on the left!
>

There is a separate close all button for both stories.

> - On closing the right sidebar, the right panel margin to the screen 
> border is small
>

Yep, you will find lots of such visual eye-sores. The focus when I worked 
on this was purely functional, and I haven't refined it as I plan to redo 
the entire UI as soon as time permits. The CSS is what I considered the 
bare minimum to get this functional at the time.

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[tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

Thanks I will check that out. I have to attend to other things for a while.

The scrollbar was missing even though both stories had tiddlers that 
extended below the screen. My settings were 1270 and 1270.


On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 12:27:40 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> David: not sure but possible the scrollbar was only needed for the 
> sidebar, i.e. the story fits on screen without scrolling. Open more 
> tiddlers in that story and you should get a scrollbar.
>
> Also, reload. Added something for TiddlyBlink that *might* work.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 7:22:18 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> One question: where did the right story scrollbar go when I hid the 
>> sidebar?
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 12:05:52 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>> I am sharing my two story tiddlywiki setup that I have been using for 
>>> the last couple of years, as it has come to my attention that there is 
>>> still some interest in this. This isn't really designed to be freely 
>>> reusable at this point and is still rough around the edges, but hopefully 
>>> it proves useful. I am planning to rewrite this from scratch based on my 
>>> learnings in the near future.
>>>
>>> This was done more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the 
>>> UI would be significantly different. I implemented this in 2017 partly as 
>>> an exercise in learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it 
>>> worked better than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking 
>>> the time to refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms 
>>> of code and CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the 
>>> sidebar is hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one 
>>> stop layout. It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920px+ width)
>>>
>>> Furthermore some parts could be better streamlined now that I understand 
>>> TW5 a lot better and also due to some welcome changes in the core.
>>>
>>> http://sq-twostories.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> Let me know if anything doesn't work, I've ripped this out of a larger 
>>> and more complex TiddlyWiki and hopefully I got all the important bits.
>>>
>>>- Shift click links to open in the other story
>>>- Shift click the edit button to edit in the other story - I 
>>>probably use this feature the most.
>>>- Dropzones above each story - not as useful as I had first expected
>>>- Each tiddler has a "divert" button in the toolbar that opens it in 
>>>the other story.
>>>- Screen width > 1920, you get two stories and the normal sidebar
>>>- Screen width > 1920 %% < 1280, the sidebar overlaps the second 
>>>story and can be hidden
>>>- Screen width < 1280, the second story is hidden
>>>
>>> If you add this as is to a TiddlyWiki with a custom theme, you more than 
>>> likely will need to adapt the css a fair bit.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

David: not sure but possible the scrollbar was only needed for the sidebar, 
i.e. the story fits on screen without scrolling. Open more tiddlers in that 
story and you should get a scrollbar.

Also, reload. Added something for TiddlyBlink that *might* work.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 7:22:18 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> One question: where did the right story scrollbar go when I hid the 
> sidebar?
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 12:05:52 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> I am sharing my two story tiddlywiki setup that I have been using for the 
>> last couple of years, as it has come to my attention that there is still 
>> some interest in this. This isn't really designed to be freely reusable at 
>> this point and is still rough around the edges, but hopefully it proves 
>> useful. I am planning to rewrite this from scratch based on my learnings in 
>> the near future.
>>
>> This was done more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the 
>> UI would be significantly different. I implemented this in 2017 partly as 
>> an exercise in learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it 
>> worked better than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking 
>> the time to refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms 
>> of code and CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the 
>> sidebar is hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one 
>> stop layout. It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920px+ width)
>>
>> Furthermore some parts could be better streamlined now that I understand 
>> TW5 a lot better and also due to some welcome changes in the core.
>>
>> http://sq-twostories.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> Let me know if anything doesn't work, I've ripped this out of a larger 
>> and more complex TiddlyWiki and hopefully I got all the important bits.
>>
>>- Shift click links to open in the other story
>>- Shift click the edit button to edit in the other story - I probably 
>>use this feature the most.
>>- Dropzones above each story - not as useful as I had first expected
>>- Each tiddler has a "divert" button in the toolbar that opens it in 
>>the other story.
>>- Screen width > 1920, you get two stories and the normal sidebar
>>- Screen width > 1920 %% < 1280, the sidebar overlaps the second 
>>story and can be hidden
>>- Screen width < 1280, the second story is hidden
>>
>> If you add this as is to a TiddlyWiki with a custom theme, you more than 
>> likely will need to adapt the css a fair bit.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Saq
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Two stories in TiddlyWiki

2020-04-14 Thread Mohammad Rahmani

Hi Saq,
Lovely!

Some small comments
- Close all button only closes tiddler on the left!
- On closing the right sidebar, the right panel margin to the screen border
is small


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:35 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> I am sharing my two story tiddlywiki setup that I have been using for the
> last couple of years, as it has come to my attention that there is still
> some interest in this. This isn't really designed to be freely reusable at
> this point and is still rough around the edges, but hopefully it proves
> useful. I am planning to rewrite this from scratch based on my learnings in
> the near future.
>
> This was done more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI
> would be significantly different. I implemented this in 2017 partly as an
> exercise in learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it
> worked better than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking
> the time to refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms
> of code and CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the
> sidebar is hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one
> stop layout. It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920px+ width)
>
> Furthermore some parts could be better streamlined now that I understand
> TW5 a lot better and also due to some welcome changes in the core.
>
> http://sq-twostories.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Let me know if anything doesn't work, I've ripped this out of a larger and
> more complex TiddlyWiki and hopefully I got all the important bits.
>
>- Shift click links to open in the other story
>- Shift click the edit button to edit in the other story - I probably
>use this feature the most.
>- Dropzones above each story - not as useful as I had first expected
>- Each tiddler has a "divert" button in the toolbar that opens it in
>the other story.
>- Screen width > 1920, you get two stories and the normal sidebar
>- Screen width > 1920 %% < 1280, the sidebar overlaps the second story
>and can be hidden
>- Screen width < 1280, the second story is hidden
>
> If you add this as is to a TiddlyWiki with a custom theme, you more than
> likely will need to adapt the css a fair bit.
>
> Regards,
> Saq
>
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[tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

One question: where did the right story scrollbar go when I hid the sidebar?

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 12:05:52 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I am sharing my two story tiddlywiki setup that I have been using for the 
> last couple of years, as it has come to my attention that there is still 
> some interest in this. This isn't really designed to be freely reusable at 
> this point and is still rough around the edges, but hopefully it proves 
> useful. I am planning to rewrite this from scratch based on my learnings in 
> the near future.
>
> This was done more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI 
> would be significantly different. I implemented this in 2017 partly as an 
> exercise in learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it 
> worked better than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking 
> the time to refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms 
> of code and CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the 
> sidebar is hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one 
> stop layout. It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920px+ width)
>
> Furthermore some parts could be better streamlined now that I understand 
> TW5 a lot better and also due to some welcome changes in the core.
>
> http://sq-twostories.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Let me know if anything doesn't work, I've ripped this out of a larger and 
> more complex TiddlyWiki and hopefully I got all the important bits.
>
>- Shift click links to open in the other story
>- Shift click the edit button to edit in the other story - I probably 
>use this feature the most.
>- Dropzones above each story - not as useful as I had first expected
>- Each tiddler has a "divert" button in the toolbar that opens it in 
>the other story.
>- Screen width > 1920, you get two stories and the normal sidebar
>- Screen width > 1920 %% < 1280, the sidebar overlaps the second story 
>and can be hidden
>- Screen width < 1280, the second story is hidden
>
> If you add this as is to a TiddlyWiki with a custom theme, you more than 
> likely will need to adapt the css a fair bit.
>
> Regards,
> Saq
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

That is really great. I want to sit on this a couple days, to think about 
this.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 12:09:30 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> No worries Dave. I've posted a mimimal version of my two story setup. If 
> you need help adapting that to your substory in a tab just drop me a line.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 6:53:01 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> No apologies needed, Saq! I should have included a wink or smile emoji. I 
>> am just excited to see this at just the right time, when we are trying to 
>> look at ways to include Roam-like functionality.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:44:18 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> Link to follow in a separate thread so as to not derail conversation 
>>> much further here.
>>>
>>> David: apologies. I have always aspired to share with the community as 
>>> much as possible, however life circumstances over the last two years have 
>>> made that difficult. I shared a video of this setup in late 2017 and by now 
>>> I had fully expected that this would be a commonplace implementation, which 
>>> also contributed to my not prioritizing cleaning up my two story 
>>> implementation and sharing it. The TiddlyWiki core makes this extremely 
>>> easy with just a few missing pieces. Jeremy has done a great job at 
>>> avoiding the limitations we had back in TWC for multiple stories. 
>>>
>>> Mohammad: The UI could be cleaner and more refined. In fact, this was 
>>> done more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI would be 
>>> significantly different. I implemented this partly as an exercise in 
>>> learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it worked better 
>>> than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking the time to 
>>> refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms of code and 
>>> CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the sidebar is 
>>> hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one stop layout. 
>>> It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920+ width)
>>>
>>> It is on my list to clean this up in the near future and add a few 
>>> improvements like automatically opening the second story, if it is closed, 
>>> when I shift + click a link along with various other learnings from 
>>> experience of working with this the last couple of years.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:29:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 Saq I am now officially drooling. You have been holding out on us, man!


 On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>
> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>
> [image: tw-substory.png]
>
> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the 
> tiddler 
> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>
> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some 
> JS code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been 
> improvements 
> in the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed 
> some 
> of this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that 
> until 
> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was 
> introducing 
> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 
>
> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup 
> down to the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening 
> tiddlers in the substory.
> Regards,
> Saq
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>
>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>>
>>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same 
>>> features as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a 
>>> streamlined, inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close 
>>> every tiddler. Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and 
>>> edittemplate to the listwidget controlling the story, you can get the 
>>> exact 
>>> same interface as well. 
>>>
>>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story 
>>> try the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>>
>>> <$list

[tw5] Re: Two stories in TiddlyWiki

wow

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 12:05:52 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I am sharing my two story tiddlywiki setup that I have been using for the 
> last couple of years, as it has come to my attention that there is still 
> some interest in this. This isn't really designed to be freely reusable at 
> this point and is still rough around the edges, but hopefully it proves 
> useful. I am planning to rewrite this from scratch based on my learnings in 
> the near future.
>
> This was done more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI 
> would be significantly different. I implemented this in 2017 partly as an 
> exercise in learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it 
> worked better than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking 
> the time to refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms 
> of code and CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the 
> sidebar is hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one 
> stop layout. It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920px+ width)
>
> Furthermore some parts could be better streamlined now that I understand 
> TW5 a lot better and also due to some welcome changes in the core.
>
> http://sq-twostories.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Let me know if anything doesn't work, I've ripped this out of a larger and 
> more complex TiddlyWiki and hopefully I got all the important bits.
>
>- Shift click links to open in the other story
>- Shift click the edit button to edit in the other story - I probably 
>use this feature the most.
>- Dropzones above each story - not as useful as I had first expected
>- Each tiddler has a "divert" button in the toolbar that opens it in 
>the other story.
>- Screen width > 1920, you get two stories and the normal sidebar
>- Screen width > 1920 %% < 1280, the sidebar overlaps the second story 
>and can be hidden
>- Screen width < 1280, the second story is hidden
>
> If you add this as is to a TiddlyWiki with a custom theme, you more than 
> likely will need to adapt the css a fair bit.
>
> Regards,
> Saq
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

No worries Dave. I've posted a mimimal version of my two story setup. If 
you need help adapting that to your substory in a tab just drop me a line.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 6:53:01 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> No apologies needed, Saq! I should have included a wink or smile emoji. I 
> am just excited to see this at just the right time, when we are trying to 
> look at ways to include Roam-like functionality.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:44:18 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Link to follow in a separate thread so as to not derail conversation much 
>> further here.
>>
>> David: apologies. I have always aspired to share with the community as 
>> much as possible, however life circumstances over the last two years have 
>> made that difficult. I shared a video of this setup in late 2017 and by now 
>> I had fully expected that this would be a commonplace implementation, which 
>> also contributed to my not prioritizing cleaning up my two story 
>> implementation and sharing it. The TiddlyWiki core makes this extremely 
>> easy with just a few missing pieces. Jeremy has done a great job at 
>> avoiding the limitations we had back in TWC for multiple stories. 
>>
>> Mohammad: The UI could be cleaner and more refined. In fact, this was 
>> done more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI would be 
>> significantly different. I implemented this partly as an exercise in 
>> learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it worked better 
>> than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking the time to 
>> refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms of code and 
>> CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the sidebar is 
>> hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one stop layout. 
>> It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920+ width)
>>
>> It is on my list to clean this up in the near future and add a few 
>> improvements like automatically opening the second story, if it is closed, 
>> when I shift + click a link along with various other learnings from 
>> experience of working with this the last couple of years.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:29:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Saq I am now officially drooling. You have been holding out on us, man!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.

 Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:

 [image: tw-substory.png]

 Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
 tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler 
 in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
 drag and drop tiddlers between stories.

 The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS 
 code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements 
 in 
 the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some 
 of 
 this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until 
 just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was 
 introducing 
 a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
 of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 

 Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down 
 to the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in 
 the substory.
 Regards,
 Saq




 On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>
> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>
>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>
>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same 
>> features as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a 
>> streamlined, inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close 
>> every tiddler. Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and 
>> edittemplate to the listwidget controlling the story, you can get the 
>> exact 
>> same interface as well. 
>>
>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try 
>> the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>
>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>
>> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
>> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
>> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Obviously the

[tw5] Two stories in TiddlyWiki

Hey everyone,

I am sharing my two story tiddlywiki setup that I have been using for the
last couple of years, as it has come to my attention that there is still
some interest in this. This isn't really designed to be freely reusable at
this point and is still rough around the edges, but hopefully it proves
useful. I am planning to rewrite this from scratch based on my learnings in
the near future.

This was done more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI
would be significantly different. I implemented this in 2017 partly as an
exercise in learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it
worked better than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking
the time to refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms
of code and CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the
sidebar is hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one
stop layout. It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920px+ width)

Furthermore some parts could be better streamlined now that I understand
TW5 a lot better and also due to some welcome changes in the core.

http://sq-twostories.tiddlyspot.com/

Let me know if anything doesn't work, I've ripped this out of a larger and
more complex TiddlyWiki and hopefully I got all the important bits.

- Shift click links to open in the other story
- Shift click the edit button to edit in the other story - I probably
use this feature the most.
- Dropzones above each story - not as useful as I had first expected
- Each tiddler has a "divert" button in the toolbar that opens it in the
other story.
- Screen width > 1920, you get two stories and the normal sidebar
- Screen width > 1920 %% < 1280, the sidebar overlaps the second story
and can be hidden
- Screen width < 1280, the second story is hidden

If you add this as is to a TiddlyWiki with a custom theme, you more than
likely will need to adapt the css a fair bit.

Regards,
Saq

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

No apologies needed, Saq! I should have included a wink or smile emoji. I 
am just excited to see this at just the right time, when we are trying to 
look at ways to include Roam-like functionality.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:44:18 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Link to follow in a separate thread so as to not derail conversation much 
> further here.
>
> David: apologies. I have always aspired to share with the community as 
> much as possible, however life circumstances over the last two years have 
> made that difficult. I shared a video of this setup in late 2017 and by now 
> I had fully expected that this would be a commonplace implementation, which 
> also contributed to my not prioritizing cleaning up my two story 
> implementation and sharing it. The TiddlyWiki core makes this extremely 
> easy with just a few missing pieces. Jeremy has done a great job at 
> avoiding the limitations we had back in TWC for multiple stories. 
>
> Mohammad: The UI could be cleaner and more refined. In fact, this was done 
> more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI would be 
> significantly different. I implemented this partly as an exercise in 
> learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it worked better 
> than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking the time to 
> refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms of code and 
> CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the sidebar is 
> hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one stop layout. 
> It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920+ width)
>
> It is on my list to clean this up in the near future and add a few 
> improvements like automatically opening the second story, if it is closed, 
> when I shift + click a link along with various other learnings from 
> experience of working with this the last couple of years.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:29:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Saq I am now officially drooling. You have been holding out on us, man!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>>
>>> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>>>
>>> [image: tw-substory.png]
>>>
>>> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
>>> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler 
>>> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
>>> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>>>
>>> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS 
>>> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in 
>>> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of 
>>> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until 
>>> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing 
>>> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
>>> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down 
>>> to the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in 
>>> the substory.
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!

 I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!


 On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>
> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features 
> as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, 
> inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. 
> Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the 
> listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as 
> well. 
>
> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try 
> the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>
> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>
> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>
> 
>
> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo 
> purposes.
>
> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for 
> this story.
> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different 
> viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI 
> would be easy this way.

[tw5] Can "search" include

I have some fields in my tiddlers filled in with text, such as names, URLs, etc.

A normal search in the search box does not yield any info from the field 
values, and Advanced search does not cover it either. Is there any way to 
search those fields?

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Re: [tw5] Re: McLeod

Thanks Mark.


14 Apr 2020, 19:35 by tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com:

> This is called camel case linking. It can be turned off in the control panel 
> under "settings".
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 9:24:39 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
>> When I type this name in a tiddler's text box is converted to a link, but 
>> when I type Mcleod, i.e. with a lower case letter L, it is not. I don't have 
>> McLeod in any tiddlers right now.
>>
>> Any idea why this would be?
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

Link to follow in a separate thread so as to not derail conversation much 
further here.

David: apologies. I have always aspired to share with the community as much 
as possible, however life circumstances over the last two years have made 
that difficult. I shared a video of this setup in late 2017 and by now I 
had fully expected that this would be a commonplace implementation, which 
also contributed to my not prioritizing cleaning up my two story 
implementation and sharing it. The TiddlyWiki core makes this extremely 
easy with just a few missing pieces. Jeremy has done a great job at 
avoiding the limitations we had back in TWC for multiple stories. 

Mohammad: The UI could be cleaner and more refined. In fact, this was done 
more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI would be 
significantly different. I implemented this partly as an exercise in 
learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it worked better 
than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking the time to 
refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms of code and 
CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the sidebar is 
hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one stop layout. 
It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920+ width)

It is on my list to clean this up in the near future and add a few 
improvements like automatically opening the second story, if it is closed, 
when I shift + click a link along with various other learnings from 
experience of working with this the last couple of years.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:29:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Saq I am now officially drooling. You have been holding out on us, man!
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM Saq Imtiaz  > wrote:
>
>> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>
>> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>>
>> [image: tw-substory.png]
>>
>> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
>> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler 
>> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
>> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>>
>> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS 
>> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in 
>> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of 
>> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until 
>> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing 
>> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
>> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 
>>
>> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down 
>> to the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in 
>> the substory.
>> Regards,
>> Saq
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>>
>>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.

 So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features 
 as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, 
 inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. 
 Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the 
 listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as 
 well. 

 To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try 
 the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:

 <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
 Click this link to get started: HelloThere

 <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
 template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
 editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
 emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>

 Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo 
 purposes.

 Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for 
 this story.
 You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different 
 viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI 
 would be easy this way.

 Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is 
 more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I 
 would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. 
 I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need 
 it, it is very useful when I do.

 More to follow on

[tw5] Re: McLeod

This is called camel case linking. It can be turned off in the control 
panel under "settings".

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 9:24:39 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> When I type this name in a tiddler's text box is converted to a link, but 
> when I type Mcleod, i.e. with a lower case letter L, it is not. I don't 
> have McLeod in any tiddlers right now.
>
> Any idea why this would be?
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Why does listing also linkify?

Hm, OK possibly this particular use case doesn't make sense in this 
context. I'll ask again if I come across a case that does fit.

Regardless, your answers did clarify what happens to the brackets and why 
the output "aa [[bb]]" isn't possible - so thank you.

<:-)

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[tw5] McLeod

When I type this name in a tiddler's text box is converted to a link, but when 
I type Mcleod, i.e. with a lower case letter L, it is not. I don't have McLeod 
in any tiddlers right now.

Any idea why this would be?

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Re: [tw5] First Real (Large) Edition

Hi Diego

> I think there is a lot of momentum building on creating an edition of TW that 
> "feels finished" like Roam. Do we think this could be the first real "full" 
> (as in not close to empty) edition we could have as an official community 
> edition? 

That sounds like something we might call a notetaking edition (we have other 
editions like the translators edition, and in fact we already have a “full” 
edition at https://tiddlywiki.com/editions/full/). 

The only constraint is that such an edition would be constrained to using the 
plugins from the official plugin library.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

Wow, amazing! Super promising.

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On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:29 PM Mohammad  wrote:

> WoW,
>  This is amazing! very smart!
>
> If one can adjust the size of left and right dive and hide the sidebar
> then It is Roam killer :-)
>
> Thanks Saq!
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:54:09 PM UTC+4:30, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>
>> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>>
>> [image: tw-substory.png]
>>
>> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert"
>> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler
>> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to
>> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>>
>> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS
>> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in
>> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of
>> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until
>> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing
>> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means
>> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers.
>>
>> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down
>> to the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in
>> the substory.
>> Regards,
>> Saq
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>>
>>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.

 So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features
 as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined,
 inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler.
 Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the
 listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as
 well.

 To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try
 the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:

 <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
 Click this link to get started: HelloThere

 <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
 template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}}
 editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}}
 emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>

 

 Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo
 purposes.

 Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for
 this story.
 You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different
 viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI
 would be easy this way.

 Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is
 more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I
 would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink.
 I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need
 it, it is very useful when I do.

 More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
 Regards,
 Saq

 On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi Saq
>
> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That
> looks promising!
>
> Questions about SubStories:
>
> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>
> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar.
> Is it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user
> could drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there?
> Maybe when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include
> those tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in 
> the
> state tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I
> don't know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to
> light a spark in someone else's mind.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This
>> would allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there.
>> Shift+click from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult
>>

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references


Suddenly I'm not able to see images in the forum on either of two 
platforms, so I'm having to go from memory from earlier when I could still 
see images.

What is the trick or technique for viewing two tiddlers side by side? Are 
they actually both in the same tiddler, or is there CSS to move them next 
to each other?

Thanks!

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 6:01:17 AM UTC-7, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>
> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features as 
> the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, inlined 
> viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. Instead, 
> if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the listwidget 
> controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as well. 
>
> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try the 
> following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>
> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>
> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>
> 
>
> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo purposes.
>
> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for 
> this story.
> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different viewing 
> and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI would be 
> easy this way.
>
> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is more 
> intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I would 
> want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. I've 
> been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need it, it 
> is very useful when I do.
>
> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
> Regards,
> Saq
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saq
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks 
>> promising!
>>
>> Questions about SubStories: 
>>
>> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>>
>> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is 
>> it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could 
>> drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe 
>> when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those 
>> tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state 
>> tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't 
>> know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a 
>> spark in someone else's mind.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would 
>>> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click 
>>> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>>>
>>> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel div 
>>> to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel tab 
>>> for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up so 
>>> that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the substory 
>>> in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>>>
>>> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my 
>>> own two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to 
>>> distribute:
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0
>>>
>>> However I can offer guidance to anyone trying to implement the same. 
>>> It's mostly wiki markup with some sprinklings of javascript to glue things 
>>> together from what I remember, I haven't fiddled with this in a couple of 
>>> years.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:49:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view mode, 
 not in edit mode.

 I would welcome code so that 

 a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and 
 b) the text field is editable

 This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.




 On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the 
>right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the 
> right 
>side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two 
> note 
>(tiddlers) or even more in parallel

Re: [tw5] Why does listing also linkify?

Hi Mat

> Yes, I hope to be able to distinguish between items that are enclosed in 
> brackets and items that are not.
> 
> My latest endeavor where I need this is for the TitlePicker (this issue 
> ) which 
> looks at what is typed in the editor (as it is typed) and needs to identify 
> strings that are "title fragments", i.e prefixed with "[[" that are not 
> (eventually) followed by "]]" or other non-title indicators like <$ etc . I'm 
> fiddling with various attempts at regexps for this but it would be trivial if 
> I could just sort out the links (i.e the [[...]] ) to begin with. It is 
> particularly tricky to work with double brackets in filters because of how 
> filters treat them.
> 
> Given your reply that 
> 
> That’s not quite how filters work: double square brackets within filters are 
> used to delimit titles containing spaces. The brackets don’t remain part of 
> the name, and therefore aren’t visible to the rendering template.
> 
> ...I don't see how the input "aa" can be distinguished from "[[bb]]" then, or?
> 
> Again, thank you for your replies.

That’s right, the filter has no memory as to the type of bracketing used to 
define an item in the list.

But I still don’t quite understand how this relates to your problem. Are you 
attempting to treat the text of a tiddler as a filter string and then expecting 
to be able to process the individual words. The problem with that is likely to 
be the duplicate removal — just try typing “the cat sat on the mat” in the 
filter tab of advanced search.

Best wishes

Jeremy



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[tw5] Re: How to prevent "This page is asking you to confirm that you want to leave - data you have entered may not be saved" ?

2020-04-14 Thread Lin Onetwo

Hi Tony, that seems not working, may due to the fact that I'm using 
SyncAdaptor instead of Syncer.

I finally made a plugin to prevent that popup:

plugin.info:

{
  "title": "$:/plugins/linonetwo/prevent-pop-up",
  "description": "Prevent \"This page is asking you to confirm that you 
want to leave\" in a read-only site",
  "author": "Lin Onetwo",
  "core-version": ">=5.0.0"
}

preventPopUp.js.tid:

created: 20200414150455988
creator: LinOnetwo
module-type: startup
title: preventPopUp.js
type: application/javascript

And add it to plugins:

"plugins": [
"tiddlywiki/tiddlyweb",
"tiddlywiki/highlight",
"sitemap",
"prevent-pop-up"
],

Then it works...
exports.startup = function() {
$tw.unloadTasks = $tw.unloadTasks.filter(task => 
!task.toString().includes('confirmationMessage'));
}



在 2020年4月12日星期日 UTC+8上午8:49:43，TonyM写道：
>
> Lin
>
> In the most recent releases there is a save filter that determines when to 
> activate autosave or the dirty indicator which says save is necessary and 
> what to save.
>
> See $:/core/save/all
>
> The trick will be to change this then save before publishing. I thing an 
> independent save method will be needed so you can save or export a copy of 
> the wiki without the save settings you change.
>
> Regards
> Tont
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.15: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary



Hi Rahul,

 See the answer! I also attached the example.



[image: chrome_RULFP03ZQC.png]


The trick is in Tiddlywiki always add an empty line to get the block 
output. So add a line after *src:"*

-- Mohammad


On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 7:40:26 PM UTC+4:30, Rahul Kashyap wrote:
>
> Dear Mohammad, 
>
> Thanks for these amazing suits of plugins. I have been using it 
> extensively in my work. 
>

Glad it is useful!
 

>
> I can across a bug as described in the attached screenshot. The details 
> macro doesn't work with the monospace block formatting for some reason. It 
> breaks when it encounters a double quote inside the block formatting. 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2020-04-14 at 11.03.50.png]
>
>
> Thanks and Regards, 
> -Rahul
>
> On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 4:28:31 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
>> *Date: Feb 7th, 2020*
>> *Release: 2.0.15 beta*
>> *Status: beta under development*
>>
>> A new beta update is available.
>>
>> This update contains tons of new features and improved documentation. The 
>> focus is now on dynamics tables.
>> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is a subset lite version of Revolutionary plugin 
>> TiddlyTables by Alaan Aldrich. So all kudos goes to Alaan.
>>
>> This version has an example of creating task manager using table-fd which 
>> demonstrate how powerful are dynamic tables in Shiraz!
>> All of these are based the wonderful transclusion in Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>> As always I welcome all your feedback and comments and hope your 
>> evaluation help improving the Shiraz plugin!
>>
>> *IMPORTANT NOTE:*
>>  Those who update from Shiraz 2 beta note that, the table-fd, table-id 
>> parameters are renamed for better compatibility with other part of Shiraz 
>> plugin.
>>
>> A tutorial of latest changes has been attached!
>>
>> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
>> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>>
>> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
>> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>>
>>
>> A permview 
>> to
>>  
>> see the latest changes (like tutorial)
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>> Revision 2.0.15
>>
>>- Date: [6th Feb 2020]
>>- [NEW] the table-fd supports special column template tbl-checkbox
>>- [NEW] the table-fd supports column templates priority, status, 
>>due-date
>>- [NEW] task manager example using table-fd
>>- [NEW] documentation for numerical summary in dynamic tables
>>- [FIXED] dynamic tables parameters are simplified like tblCaption to 
>>caption, tblClass to class, tblFooter to footerRows
>>- Warning: New update is not compatible with dynamic tables from 
>>older release. Use tiddler commander to resolve the issue after update.
>>
>> Revision 2.0.14
>>
>>- Date: [31st Jan 2020]
>>- [NEW] table footer to be used for any type of summary
>>- [NEW] mathematics macros to claculate the below values for a column
>>   - count
>>   - minall
>>   - maxall
>>   - sum
>>   - product
>>   - mean (arithematic average)
>>   - median
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.15: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary

2020-04-14 Thread Rahul Kashyap

Dear Mohammad, 

Thanks for these amazing suits of plugins. I have been using it extensively 
in my work. 

I can across a bug as described in the attached screenshot. The details 
macro doesn't work with the monospace block formatting for some reason. It 
breaks when it encounters a double quote inside the block formatting. 

[image: Screenshot 2020-04-14 at 11.03.50.png]


Thanks and Regards, 
-Rahul

On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 4:28:31 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> *Announcement:Shiraz plugin*
> *Date: Feb 7th, 2020*
> *Release: 2.0.15 beta*
> *Status: beta under development*
>
> A new beta update is available.
>
> This update contains tons of new features and improved documentation. The 
> focus is now on dynamics tables.
> Dynamic tables in Shiraz is a subset lite version of Revolutionary plugin 
> TiddlyTables by Alaan Aldrich. So all kudos goes to Alaan.
>
> This version has an example of creating task manager using table-fd which 
> demonstrate how powerful are dynamic tables in Shiraz!
> All of these are based the wonderful transclusion in Tiddlywiki.
>
>
> As always I welcome all your feedback and comments and hope your 
> evaluation help improving the Shiraz plugin!
>
> *IMPORTANT NOTE:*
>  Those who update from Shiraz 2 beta note that, the table-fd, table-id 
> parameters are renamed for better compatibility with other part of Shiraz 
> plugin.
>
> A tutorial of latest changes has been attached!
>
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/Shiraz/
> Code: https://github.com/kookma/Shiraz
>
> Star it if you like it and send your feedback!
> Documentation proof reading for English is welcome!
>
>
> A permview 
> to
>  
> see the latest changes (like tutorial)
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
> Revision 2.0.15
>
>- Date: [6th Feb 2020]
>- [NEW] the table-fd supports special column template tbl-checkbox
>- [NEW] the table-fd supports column templates priority, status, 
>due-date
>- [NEW] task manager example using table-fd
>- [NEW] documentation for numerical summary in dynamic tables
>- [FIXED] dynamic tables parameters are simplified like tblCaption to 
>caption, tblClass to class, tblFooter to footerRows
>- Warning: New update is not compatible with dynamic tables from older 
>release. Use tiddler commander to resolve the issue after update.
>
> Revision 2.0.14
>
>- Date: [31st Jan 2020]
>- [NEW] table footer to be used for any type of summary
>- [NEW] mathematics macros to claculate the below values for a column
>   - count
>   - minall
>   - maxall
>   - sum
>   - product
>   - mean (arithematic average)
>   - median
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

Bob is an enhanced version of node that can run multiple wikis at once 
time. It can also be shared in a multi-user manner. That is, if user Alice 
updates a tiddler, then user Lucy will see the change immediately, rather 
than having to reboot her node server like she would with plain node js.

But for new users, the more important fact is that Bob can be used to save 
single-file tiddlywikis -- once they have installed the plugin in the TW 
file (which will have to be installed using an existing saver technique -- 
a "chicken and egg" thing). The file can then be saved from any browser and 
from any directory, while still using it's "real" physical address in the 
url bar:

https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/releases

There is also TiddlyServer, which does something similar:

https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases

TS serves up your single file TW in the url bar (e.g. 
127.0.0.1:8080/mydata/myfile.html). It can serve up multiple files and data 
folder files. It doesn't require a plugin for saving, but it does require 
you to configure in advance the location of your TW files.

BTW, both Bob and TS will open a command box, at least in Windows. There is 
some controversy about how off-putting this might be for newcomers. To me 
it's not a big deal, since every window app opens at least one window. This 
is just a different kind of window.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 1:35:21 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> Mark, what is BOB, where can I find it?
>
>
>
>
> 13 Apr 2020, 17:35 by tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com:
>
> If you're getting an error with TD, then either
>
> 1. You have a corrupted TW file
> 2. You are using a plugin that doesn't agree with TD
>
> Re #1. You were using Violent Monkey? Possibly some bad code got saved. 
> You could drag and drop your old TW file into a new, empty TW file to 
> create a fixed TW.
>
> Re #2. You could disable any plugins you have installed (don't disable 
> "core"!), save, and reload and see if TD works.
>
> To use node.js to save, you would need to turn your TW into a data-folder 
> tiddler. This is often less convenient than a single-file TW, if you want 
> to take the file with you to other desktops or devices.
>
> But both Tiddlyserver and Bob will allow you to save single file TW files. 
> Bob requires you to install an extra plugin, but otherwise the saving is 
> almost transparent and works with your local directory structure. 
> Tiddlyserver serves up the file as a locally hosted file (e.g. your file is 
> in the browser as 127.0.0.1:8080/myfile.html).  Both Bob and Tiddlyserver 
> can work with any browser.
>
> Another solution is Polly. Polly is a batch shell solution that simply 
> finds your last downloaded version from the browser download directory, and 
> copies it back to the original directory and file name elsewhere on your 
> hard drive. Basically you can run polly once at the start of your session, 
> and then again at the end, and in-between just save using the download 
> saver (the red check mark). Or you can set Polly to run every few minutes 
> so that your file is constantly updated.
>
> https://github.com/Marxsal/polly/releases
>
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 10:46:34 PM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> Thanks Josuhua, you have described the issue well.
>
> I do not like saving in the cloud, so of all the methods the only one I'd 
> consider is TiddlyDesktop. I tried it but get a JS error notice, as I 
> reported here 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/EMXnym2Rbqs/abbmO4SaAgAJ
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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

WoW,
 This is amazing! very smart!

If one can adjust the size of left and right dive and hide the sidebar then 
It is Roam killer :-)

Thanks Saq!

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:54:09 PM UTC+4:30, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>
> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>
> [image: tw-substory.png]
>
> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler 
> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>
> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS 
> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in 
> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of 
> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until 
> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing 
> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 
>
> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down to 
> the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in the 
> substory.
> Regards,
> Saq
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>
>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>>
>>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features 
>>> as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, 
>>> inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. 
>>> Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the 
>>> listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as 
>>> well. 
>>>
>>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try 
>>> the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
>>> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
>>> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo 
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for 
>>> this story.
>>> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different 
>>> viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI 
>>> would be easy this way.
>>>
>>> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is 
>>> more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I 
>>> would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. 
>>> I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need 
>>> it, it is very useful when I do.
>>>
>>> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi Saq

 Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks 
 promising!

 Questions about SubStories: 

 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.

 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is 
 it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could 
 drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe 
 when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those 
 tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the 
 state 
 tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't 
 know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a 
 spark in someone else's mind.

 On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would 
> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click 
> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>
> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel 
> div to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel 
> tab for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it 
> up 
> so that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and

Re: [tw5] Presenting: FlexibleGrid Plugin

2020-04-14 Thread Jan

Hi everybody,
Many thanks for the friendly feedback... and sorry for the bug, I did
not thik of that.
I made a new version where I implemented an emergency-exit at the end
of the grid.

Yours Jan

Am 14.04.2020 um 11:02 schrieb Måns Mårtensson:

Hi Jan

Great job :-)

Warning:
I just tested importing your plugin in an empty TW.
After saving and reloading the TW, I choose for it to open with the grid.

Now the right bar won’t open and there doesn’t seem to be any way I
can switch it off again.

Sincerely Måns

tir. 14. apr. 2020 kl. 02.10 skrev Jan >:

Hello community,
I finally turned my grid-experiment into https://szenio.de/Grid
into a
plugin.

Its purpose is to offer a bootstrap-grid showing a tasty overview.
The grid, the items and their order can be configured with a
controlpanel and predefined classes.
You can set captions which can reorder the grid to focus on tags.

There are some small format issues due to the inconsistent
handling of
word-break in different browser. Solutions and feedback are very
welcome.

Enjoy and best wishes
Jan

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

Saq I am now officially drooling. You have been holding out on us, man!


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>
> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>
> [image: tw-substory.png]
>
> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert"
> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler
> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to
> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>
> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS
> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in
> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of
> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until
> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing
> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means
> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers.
>
> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down to
> the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in the
> substory.
> Regards,
> Saq
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>
>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>>
>>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features
>>> as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined,
>>> inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler.
>>> Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the
>>> listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try
>>> the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
>>> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}}
>>> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}}
>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for
>>> this story.
>>> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different
>>> viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI
>>> would be easy this way.
>>>
>>> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is
>>> more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I
>>> would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink.
>>> I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need
>>> it, it is very useful when I do.
>>>
>>> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi Saq

 Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks
 promising!

 Questions about SubStories:

 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.

 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is
 it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could
 drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe
 when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those
 tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state
 tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't
 know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a
 spark in someone else's mind.

 On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would
> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click
> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>
> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel
> div to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel
> tab for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up
> so that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the
> substory in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>
> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my

Re: [tw5] Re: An awesome website made with TiddlyWiki + TiddlyBlink

2020-04-14 Thread Atronoush

Hi Ann-Laure,

Nice static site!

Would you mind share your procedure for making the static site likable that 
way.

Thanks

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:34:30 PM UTC+4:30, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
wrote:
>
> 1) Very good point for external links! The rule I had was no hover for 
> external, and hover preview for internal, but maybe it's confusing.
>
> 2) I still have lots of work to do on the iFrames, I actually want them to 
> open in the right-hand side of the page. In the mean time I'm going to work 
> on having more text fit in the tooltip.
>
> 3) Yes, totally doable.
>
> 4) Tutorial coming! You don't even need to learn Node, it's just a bit of 
> command line stuff and very easy.
>
> 5) Yes that would make it easier to navigate. I'm making this 
> project purposely so there's no "home"
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM David Gifford  > wrote:
>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Initial impressions:
>>
>> 1) I think that even though now ALL the links are external links, there 
>> is a way to distinguish between true external links (like the one to your 
>> Twitter account) and links internal to the wiki. Clicking on the first link 
>> and having it take me to another site was jarring.
>>
>> 2) I wanted to scroll in the IFrames that came up on hover, but don't see 
>> how to do that. For most of the iframes, the only thing you can actually 
>> see is the title, which is pointless since the link was already the title. 
>> I wonder if the preview plugin would work with static sites, or if there is 
>> a way to refine the iframe so you see content, not the title...
>>
>> 3) Is there a way to monetize the blank space in the sidebar with 
>> advertising?
>>
>> 4) I really like static html navigation. This really makes me want to 
>> re-learn node.js and do something like this.
>>
>> 5) If I do something like this I will have a home button in the 
>> sitesubtitle instead of or in addition to your 'About'
>>
>> David Gifford
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 7:07 AM Anne-Laure Le Cunff > > wrote:
>>
>>> Try https://anthilemoon.github.io/static/about
>>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, 12:31 David Gifford, >> > wrote:
>>>
 I get a 404 when opening https://anthilemoon.github.io/about. 

 On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:08:08 PM UTC-5, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
 wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> So I got into TiddlyWiki a couple of days ago because I wanted to 
> recreate this website  as a fun 
> weekend project. I only checked the source this morning and realised... 
> It's actually built with TiddlyWiki and TiddlyBlink!
>
> Some really cool stuff going on here for your inspiration:
>
>- Preview of links in a tooltip
>- Pages open side by side (see the URL which says ?stackedNotes=ID)
>- Links to this note show short extract
>
> Just wanted to share as I think it's a really nice use case of 
> TiddlyWiki. Here  is my own WIP 
> implementation.
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Re: [tw5] Re: An awesome website made with TiddlyWiki + TiddlyBlink

Ann-Laure,

I think some of issues you encountered can be addressed using theme!

For example see the JD here http://j.d.mono.tiddlyspot.com/#Hello%2C%20world
Also see http://j.d.tiddlyspot.com/

--Mohammad

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:34:30 PM UTC+4:30, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
wrote:
>
> 1) Very good point for external links! The rule I had was no hover for 
> external, and hover preview for internal, but maybe it's confusing.
>
> 2) I still have lots of work to do on the iFrames, I actually want them to 
> open in the right-hand side of the page. In the mean time I'm going to work 
> on having more text fit in the tooltip.
>
> 3) Yes, totally doable.
>
> 4) Tutorial coming! You don't even need to learn Node, it's just a bit of 
> command line stuff and very easy.
>
> 5) Yes that would make it easier to navigate. I'm making this 
> project purposely so there's no "home"
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM David Gifford  > wrote:
>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Initial impressions:
>>
>> 1) I think that even though now ALL the links are external links, there 
>> is a way to distinguish between true external links (like the one to your 
>> Twitter account) and links internal to the wiki. Clicking on the first link 
>> and having it take me to another site was jarring.
>>
>> 2) I wanted to scroll in the IFrames that came up on hover, but don't see 
>> how to do that. For most of the iframes, the only thing you can actually 
>> see is the title, which is pointless since the link was already the title. 
>> I wonder if the preview plugin would work with static sites, or if there is 
>> a way to refine the iframe so you see content, not the title...
>>
>> 3) Is there a way to monetize the blank space in the sidebar with 
>> advertising?
>>
>> 4) I really like static html navigation. This really makes me want to 
>> re-learn node.js and do something like this.
>>
>> 5) If I do something like this I will have a home button in the 
>> sitesubtitle instead of or in addition to your 'About'
>>
>> David Gifford
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 7:07 AM Anne-Laure Le Cunff > > wrote:
>>
>>> Try https://anthilemoon.github.io/static/about
>>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, 12:31 David Gifford, >> > wrote:
>>>
 I get a 404 when opening https://anthilemoon.github.io/about. 

 On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:08:08 PM UTC-5, Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
 wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> So I got into TiddlyWiki a couple of days ago because I wanted to 
> recreate this website  as a fun 
> weekend project. I only checked the source this morning and realised... 
> It's actually built with TiddlyWiki and TiddlyBlink!
>
> Some really cool stuff going on here for your inspiration:
>
>- Preview of links in a tooltip
>- Pages open side by side (see the URL which says ?stackedNotes=ID)
>- Links to this note show short extract
>
> Just wanted to share as I think it's a really nice use case of 
> TiddlyWiki. Here  is my own WIP 
> implementation.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.

Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:

[image: tw-substory.png] 

Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler 
in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
drag and drop tiddlers between stories.

The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS 
code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in 
the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of 
this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until 
just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing 
a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 

Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down to 
the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in the 
substory.
Regards,
Saq

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>
> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  > wrote:
>
>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>
>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features as 
>> the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, 
>> inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. 
>> Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the 
>> listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as 
>> well. 
>>
>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try the 
>> following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>
>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>
>> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
>> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
>> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo purposes.
>>
>> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for 
>> this story.
>> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different 
>> viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI 
>> would be easy this way.
>>
>> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is 
>> more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I 
>> would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. 
>> I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need 
>> it, it is very useful when I do.
>>
>> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>> Regards,
>> Saq
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Saq
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks 
>>> promising!
>>>
>>> Questions about SubStories: 
>>>
>>> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>>>
>>> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is 
>>> it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could 
>>> drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe 
>>> when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those 
>>> tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state 
>>> tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't 
>>> know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a 
>>> spark in someone else's mind.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would 
 allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click 
 from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
 https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories

 In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel 
 div to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel 
 tab for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up 
 so that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the 
 substory in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.

 The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my 
 own two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to 
 distribute:
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0

 However I can offer guidance to anyone

[tw5] Re: Presenting: FlexibleGrid Plugin

2020-04-14 Thread Julio Peña

Hello Jan,

Beautiful work!
Definitely can find use for this!

Thanks for sharing.

Best wishes,
Julio

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!

I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>
> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features as
> the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, inlined
> viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. Instead,
> if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the listwidget
> controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as well.
>
> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try the
> following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>
> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>
> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}}
> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}}
> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>
> 
>
> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo purposes.
>
> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for
> this story.
> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different viewing
> and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI would be
> easy this way.
>
> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is more
> intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I would
> want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. I've
> been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need it, it
> is very useful when I do.
>
> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
> Regards,
> Saq
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saq
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks
>> promising!
>>
>> Questions about SubStories:
>>
>> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>>
>> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is
>> it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could
>> drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe
>> when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those
>> tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state
>> tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't
>> know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a
>> spark in someone else's mind.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would
>>> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click
>>> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>>>
>>> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel div
>>> to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel tab
>>> for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up so
>>> that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the substory
>>> in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>>>
>>> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my
>>> own two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to
>>> distribute:
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0
>>>
>>> However I can offer guidance to anyone trying to implement the same.
>>> It's mostly wiki markup with some sprinklings of javascript to glue things
>>> together from what I remember, I haven't fiddled with this in a couple of
>>> years.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:49:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view mode,
 not in edit mode.

 I would welcome code so that

 a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and
 b) the text field is editable

 This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.




 On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the
>right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the 
> right
>side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two 
> note
>(tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many 
> notes and
>you can collapse them)
>
> Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you
>> click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely 
>> you
>> must search first? Are

Re: [tw5] Re: Ride the Wave

Before choosing for TB I considered Roam, but the lack of security put me off 
immediately. It is not stated explicitly on the site, so I learned about it by 
asking users.
TB and TMap combined are a good alternative for me.

14 Apr 2020, 15:48 by alecu...@gmail.com:

> People are happy to share notes from Dropbox, Evernote, Roam and Notion 
> without having their own domain, so I don't think > tiddlyspot.com 
> >  is an issue in itself (even if I heard that in 
> American English the tiddly brand may not be the best).
>
> I'm just not comfortable recommending something that's so unsafe to people 
> when personal or professional notes can be so sensitive. For instance I think 
> many people use Roam/TW to keep a diary.
>
> But I think people who go through the tutorial and like TW enough will easily 
> find TiddlySpot and other saving/hosting methods if they're curious :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:39 PM Mat <> matiasg...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>> Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you! I actually started typing a paragraph about TiddlySpot and 
>>> removed it. The reason why I didn't include is that there's no SSL/HTTPs, 
>>> and many people are looking at Roam alternatives mainly for privacy 
>>> reasons. Is it something that will get addressed at some point, maybe with 
>>> LetsEncrypt?
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately there has not been any development on the Tiddlyspot system 
>> itself for many years and I'd say it seems unlikely that anything would 
>> change in thir respect. It is not a "safe" system, which they are open 
>> about. But since TW is typically for individual use anyway AND considering 
>> that any professional endeavor wouldn't be happy with having >> 
>> tiddlyspot.com >>  in their url, it does have its 
>> audience.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: An awesome website made with TiddlyWiki + TiddlyBlink

1) Very good point for external links! The rule I had was no hover for
external, and hover preview for internal, but maybe it's confusing.

2) I still have lots of work to do on the iFrames, I actually want them to
open in the right-hand side of the page. In the mean time I'm going to work
on having more text fit in the tooltip.

3) Yes, totally doable.

4) Tutorial coming! You don't even need to learn Node, it's just a bit of
command line stuff and very easy.

5) Yes that would make it easier to navigate. I'm making this
project purposely so there's no "home"

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:19 PM David Gifford  wrote:

> Thank you!
>
> Initial impressions:
>
> 1) I think that even though now ALL the links are external links, there is
> a way to distinguish between true external links (like the one to your
> Twitter account) and links internal to the wiki. Clicking on the first link
> and having it take me to another site was jarring.
>
> 2) I wanted to scroll in the IFrames that came up on hover, but don't see
> how to do that. For most of the iframes, the only thing you can actually
> see is the title, which is pointless since the link was already the title.
> I wonder if the preview plugin would work with static sites, or if there is
> a way to refine the iframe so you see content, not the title...
>
> 3) Is there a way to monetize the blank space in the sidebar with
> advertising?
>
> 4) I really like static html navigation. This really makes me want to
> re-learn node.js and do something like this.
>
> 5) If I do something like this I will have a home button in the
> sitesubtitle instead of or in addition to your 'About'
>
> David Gifford
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 7:07 AM Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
> wrote:
>
>> Try https://anthilemoon.github.io/static/about
>>
>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, 12:31 David Gifford,  wrote:
>>
>>> I get a 404 when opening https://anthilemoon.github.io/about.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:08:08 PM UTC-5, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 So I got into TiddlyWiki a couple of days ago because I wanted to
 recreate this website  as a fun
 weekend project. I only checked the source this morning and realised...
 It's actually built with TiddlyWiki and TiddlyBlink!

 Some really cool stuff going on here for your inspiration:

- Preview of links in a tooltip
- Pages open side by side (see the URL which says ?stackedNotes=ID)
- Links to this note show short extract

 Just wanted to share as I think it's a really nice use case of
 TiddlyWiki. Here  is my own WIP
 implementation.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.

So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features as 
the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, inlined 
viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. Instead, 
if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the listwidget 
controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as well. 

To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try the 
following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:

<$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
Click this link to get started: HelloThere

<$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>



Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo purposes.

Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for this 
story.
You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different viewing 
and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI would be 
easy this way.

Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is more 
intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I would 
want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. I've 
been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need it, it 
is very useful when I do.

More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
Regards,
Saq

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>
> Hi Saq
>
> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks 
> promising!
>
> Questions about SubStories: 
>
> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>
> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is it 
> possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could drag 
> a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe when 
> dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those 
> tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state 
> tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't 
> know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a 
> spark in someone else's mind.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would 
>> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click 
>> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>>
>> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel div 
>> to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel tab 
>> for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up so 
>> that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the substory 
>> in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>>
>> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my 
>> own two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to 
>> distribute:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0
>>
>> However I can offer guidance to anyone trying to implement the same. It's 
>> mostly wiki markup with some sprinklings of javascript to glue things 
>> together from what I remember, I haven't fiddled with this in a couple of 
>> years.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:49:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view mode, 
>>> not in edit mode.
>>>
>>> I would welcome code so that 
>>>
>>> a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and 
>>> b) the text field is editable
>>>
>>> This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>

- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the 
right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the 
 right 
side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two 
 note 
(tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes 
 and 
you can collapse them)

 Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you 
> click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely 
> you 
> must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens in edit 
> mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one wysiwyg mode 
> for 
> direct edit?)
>  
>
>
 I think Anne is referring to the "parallel" tab in tiddly blink. It

Re: [tw5] Re: Ride the Wave

2020-04-14 Thread Ed Heil

That's exactly what I was thinking of!  Thank you, I wish I'd found that 
earlier!

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:54:05 AM UTC-4, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Ed, I remember recently seeing just such a cheatsheet posted somewhere 
> from a link in this forum. So I know it exists...
>
> This is an older one, probably only for non-noobies: 
> http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Variables%20vs.%20Parameters
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Ride the Wave

Ed, I remember recently seeing just such a cheatsheet posted somewhere from
a link in this forum. So I know it exists...

This is an older one, probably only for non-noobies:
http://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Variables%20vs.%20Parameters




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> Same re: Tiddlyspot, the SSL issue is kinda a big deal.
>
> With regards to intros to tiddlywiki, I wanted to throw the following out
> there to the community
>
> In terms of intros/guides to Tiddlywiki, one of the things that's been a
> thorn in my side while learning is all the various kinds of brackets and
> where you use them!  It seems like there are a dozen different contexts in
> which you use one, two, or three square brackets, angle brackets, or curly
> brackets -- not to mention widget tags -- and it's not always clear to a
> newbie which can go inside which.  (It's not always 100% clear to me and I
> feel like I've risen above "newbie" at this point).
>
> The answers are all within the tiddlywiki web site but it's sometimes hard
> to find the answers if you don't know how to phrase the question.
>
> I think a hugely valuable resource to "people trying to rise above the
> level of newbie" would be a cheat sheet to what kind of markup is
> appropriate in what kind of context.  This would be especially valuable to
> people like me who have experience in programming and markup in some other
> context but find out that the way things work in tiddlywiki is unique and
> not always what they expected from other contexts.
>
> So I could scan the list and notice that in a filter I use <> {} to get to
> variables and textrefs, in a macro definition I use $this$ and $(that)$ to
> get to parameter and variables, in the attributes of a widget tag I use
> <> and {{{that}}} to get the results of a macro and the results of a
> filter expression... that kind of thing, maybe with links to the tiddlywiki
> website which explains each piece.
>
> Again, that wouldn't be helpful for complete newbies but it'd be a
> valuable resource for somebody who's just started to learn the complicated
> stuff and is running into problems using the wrong kind of markup in the
> wrong places.
>
> Maybe someday I'll write for myself the resource that I wish were
> available to me while learning
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 8:06:21 AM UTC-4, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>>
>> Thank you! I actually started typing a paragraph about TiddlySpot and
>> removed it. The reason why I didn't include is that there's no SSL/HTTPs,
>> and many people are looking at Roam alternatives mainly for privacy
>> reasons. Is it something that will get addressed at some point, maybe with
>> LetsEncrypt?
>>
>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, 10:14 Mat,  wrote:
>>
>>> If I were a noob, I'd want to hear about Tiddlyspot
>>>  which allows free hosting of TW's. It has been
>>> the go-to solution for many people over the years, including myself, and
>>> native TW has a built-in saver for it (Controlpanel > Saving > Tiddlyspot).
>>> The point is to get an online wiki, so it is possible to make it public
>>> even if it also has a site password feature.
>>>
>>> Tiddlyspot was originally made for what we now refer to as TWC (TW
>>> Classic) so the premade options to choose from when setting up a tiddlyspot
>>> only has "TWC variants" - so I made a kind of "iframe-skin" to set up a TW5
>>> on Tiddlyspot: http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com
>>>
>>> ...even my aunt could set up a public TW via this page, which is not the
>>> case for e.g github or "hosting my own server" etc.
>>>
>>> I have no affiliation with the cousins Simon and Daniel Baird who are
>>> the brains behind Tiddlyspot and who (incredibly) generously have provided
>>> us with this for well over a decade.
>>>
>>> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

Mohammad wrote:
>
> [...] also Mat has developed multi columns layout ...
>

Yeah, I made this . Today I'd probably use 
flexbox given the linear nature of rivers. But, frankly, I don't really 
understand the use case with two rivers. Which tiddlers should go where? 
And why? For "parallel editing" I an see it but it feels a bit much with 
two *rivers* for this.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Ride the Wave

2020-04-14 Thread Ed Heil

Same re: Tiddlyspot, the SSL issue is kinda a big deal.

With regards to intros to tiddlywiki, I wanted to throw the following out 
there to the community

In terms of intros/guides to Tiddlywiki, one of the things that's been a 
thorn in my side while learning is all the various kinds of brackets and 
where you use them!  It seems like there are a dozen different contexts in 
which you use one, two, or three square brackets, angle brackets, or curly 
brackets -- not to mention widget tags -- and it's not always clear to a 
newbie which can go inside which.  (It's not always 100% clear to me and I 
feel like I've risen above "newbie" at this point).

The answers are all within the tiddlywiki web site but it's sometimes hard 
to find the answers if you don't know how to phrase the question.

I think a hugely valuable resource to "people trying to rise above the 
level of newbie" would be a cheat sheet to what kind of markup is 
appropriate in what kind of context.  This would be especially valuable to 
people like me who have experience in programming and markup in some other 
context but find out that the way things work in tiddlywiki is unique and 
not always what they expected from other contexts.

So I could scan the list and notice that in a filter I use <> {} to get to 
variables and textrefs, in a macro definition I use $this$ and $(that)$ to 
get to parameter and variables, in the attributes of a widget tag I use 
<> and {{{that}}} to get the results of a macro and the results of a 
filter expression... that kind of thing, maybe with links to the tiddlywiki 
website which explains each piece.

Again, that wouldn't be helpful for complete newbies but it'd be a valuable 
resource for somebody who's just started to learn the complicated stuff and 
is running into problems using the wrong kind of markup in the wrong places.

Maybe someday I'll write for myself the resource that I wish were available 
to me while learning

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>
> Thank you! I actually started typing a paragraph about TiddlySpot and 
> removed it. The reason why I didn't include is that there's no SSL/HTTPs, 
> and many people are looking at Roam alternatives mainly for privacy 
> reasons. Is it something that will get addressed at some point, maybe with 
> LetsEncrypt?
>
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, 10:14 Mat, > wrote:
>
>> If I were a noob, I'd want to hear about Tiddlyspot 
>>  which allows free hosting of TW's. It has been 
>> the go-to solution for many people over the years, including myself, and 
>> native TW has a built-in saver for it (Controlpanel > Saving > Tiddlyspot). 
>> The point is to get an online wiki, so it is possible to make it public 
>> even if it also has a site password feature. 
>>
>> Tiddlyspot was originally made for what we now refer to as TWC (TW 
>> Classic) so the premade options to choose from when setting up a tiddlyspot 
>> only has "TWC variants" - so I made a kind of "iframe-skin" to set up a TW5 
>> on Tiddlyspot: http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com 
>>
>> ...even my aunt could set up a public TW via this page, which is not the 
>> case for e.g github or "hosting my own server" etc.
>>
>> I have no affiliation with the cousins Simon and Daniel Baird who are the 
>> brains behind Tiddlyspot and who (incredibly) generously have provided us 
>> with this for well over a decade.
>>
>> <:-)
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Ride the Wave

People are happy to share notes from Dropbox, Evernote, Roam and Notion
without having their own domain, so I don't think tiddlyspot.com is an
issue in itself (even if I heard that in American English the tiddly brand
may not be the best).

I'm just not comfortable recommending something that's so unsafe to
people when personal or professional notes can be so sensitive. For
instance I think many people use Roam/TW to keep a diary.

But I think people who go through the tutorial and like TW enough will
easily find TiddlySpot and other saving/hosting methods if they're curious
:)


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:39 PM Mat  wrote:

> Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>>
>> Thank you! I actually started typing a paragraph about TiddlySpot and
>> removed it. The reason why I didn't include is that there's no SSL/HTTPs,
>> and many people are looking at Roam alternatives mainly for privacy
>> reasons. Is it something that will get addressed at some point, maybe with
>> LetsEncrypt?
>>
>
> Unfortunately there has not been any development on the Tiddlyspot system
> itself for many years and I'd say it seems unlikely that anything would
> change in thir respect. It is not a "safe" system, which they are open
> about. But since TW is typically for individual use anyway AND considering
> that any professional endeavor wouldn't be happy with having
> tiddlyspot.com in their url, it does have its audience.
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Ride the Wave

Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>
> Thank you! I actually started typing a paragraph about TiddlySpot and 
> removed it. The reason why I didn't include is that there's no SSL/HTTPs, 
> and many people are looking at Roam alternatives mainly for privacy 
> reasons. Is it something that will get addressed at some point, maybe with 
> LetsEncrypt?
>

Unfortunately there has not been any development on the Tiddlyspot system 
itself for many years and I'd say it seems unlikely that anything would 
change in thir respect. It is not a "safe" system, which they are open 
about. But since TW is typically for individual use anyway AND considering 
that any professional endeavor wouldn't be happy with having tiddlyspot.com 
in their url, it does have its audience.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Why does listing also linkify?

Yes, I hope to be able to distinguish between items that are enclosed in 
brackets and items that are not.

My latest endeavor where I need this is for the TitlePicker (this issue 
) 
which looks at what is typed in the editor (as it is typed) and needs to 
identify strings that are "title fragments", i.e prefixed with "[[" that 
are not (eventually) followed by "]]" or other non-title indicators like <$ 
etc . I'm fiddling with various attempts at regexps for this but it would 
be trivial if I could just sort out the links (i.e the [[...]] ) to begin 
with. It is particularly tricky to work with double brackets in filters 
because of how filters treat them.

Given your reply that 

That’s not quite how filters work: double square brackets within filters 
> are used to delimit titles containing spaces. The brackets don’t remain 
> part of the name, and therefore aren’t visible to the rendering template.


...I don't see how the input "aa" can be distinguished from "[[bb]]" then, 
or?

Again, thank you for your replies.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

@Ann-Laure, @David

I think Saq Imtiaz can help here, also Mat has developed multi columns 
layout ...

This layout now uses a flexgrid. The left panel can be smaller. The example 
I sent for Ann-Laure has two tiddler which close each tiddler on clicking 
other title
This feature also can be customized to keep any number of tiddler you like
Also the style and look of the two panel

p.s: I you read Shiraz tutorial you can also have multi columns in one 
tiddler! I also remember Mark S has an outliner which can be used

--Mohammad

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>
> Thanks Shiraz, that is interesting! That certainly feels like Roam, but in 
> a TiddlyWiki kind of way.
>
> But doesn't it lock one into using that one tiddler to open other tiddlers 
> that way? Anne-Laure is looking for a way to open a link from *any* 
> tiddler into a parallel space for side by side viewing / editing.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:08:55 AM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Shiraz has the muticolumn story river feature.
>>
>> No exactly like what Saq Imtiaz has done but very close to it is existed 
>> in *Shiraz*
>> To reproduce do as below
>>
>>1. Open Shiraz demo page: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/
>>2. From right side bar, More tab and then Shiraz tab and under 
>>Options click multicolumn story river
>>3. Next import the attached example tiddlers
>>4. open Story and Then TOC and then close all other tiddlers
>>5. Now click on every item in the list of TOC it will open on the 
>>right
>>6. Edit the TOC if you like to resemble Tiddlywiki story river 
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: An awesome website made with TiddlyWiki + TiddlyBlink

Thank you!

Initial impressions:

1) I think that even though now ALL the links are external links, there is
a way to distinguish between true external links (like the one to your
Twitter account) and links internal to the wiki. Clicking on the first link
and having it take me to another site was jarring.

2) I wanted to scroll in the IFrames that came up on hover, but don't see
how to do that. For most of the iframes, the only thing you can actually
see is the title, which is pointless since the link was already the title.
I wonder if the preview plugin would work with static sites, or if there is
a way to refine the iframe so you see content, not the title...

3) Is there a way to monetize the blank space in the sidebar with
advertising?

4) I really like static html navigation. This really makes me want to
re-learn node.js and do something like this.

5) If I do something like this I will have a home button in the
sitesubtitle instead of or in addition to your 'About'

David Gifford

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 7:07 AM Anne-Laure Le Cunff 
wrote:

> Try https://anthilemoon.github.io/static/about
>
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, 12:31 David Gifford,  wrote:
>
>> I get a 404 when opening https://anthilemoon.github.io/about.
>>
>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:08:08 PM UTC-5, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> So I got into TiddlyWiki a couple of days ago because I wanted to
>>> recreate this website  as a fun
>>> weekend project. I only checked the source this morning and realised...
>>> It's actually built with TiddlyWiki and TiddlyBlink!
>>>
>>> Some really cool stuff going on here for your inspiration:
>>>
>>>- Preview of links in a tooltip
>>>- Pages open side by side (see the URL which says ?stackedNotes=ID)
>>>- Links to this note show short extract
>>>
>>> Just wanted to share as I think it's a really nice use case of
>>> TiddlyWiki. Here  is my own WIP
>>> implementation.
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Presenting: FlexibleGrid Plugin

Hi Jan,
 Wonderful job! Thank you for sharing.

--Mohammad

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 4:40:32 AM UTC+4:30, Jan wrote:
>
> Hello community, 
> I finally turned my grid-experiment into https://szenio.de/Grid into a 
> plugin. 
>
> Its purpose is to offer a bootstrap-grid showing a tasty overview. 
> The grid, the items and their order can be configured with a 
> controlpanel and predefined classes. 
> You can set captions which can reorder the grid to focus on tags. 
>
> There are some small format issues due to the inconsistent handling of 
> word-break in different browser. Solutions and feedback are very welcome. 
>
>
> Enjoy and best wishes 
>   Jan 
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: An awesome website made with TiddlyWiki + TiddlyBlink

Try https://anthilemoon.github.io/static/about

On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, 12:31 David Gifford,  wrote:

> I get a 404 when opening https://anthilemoon.github.io/about.
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:08:08 PM UTC-5, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> So I got into TiddlyWiki a couple of days ago because I wanted to
>> recreate this website  as a fun
>> weekend project. I only checked the source this morning and realised...
>> It's actually built with TiddlyWiki and TiddlyBlink!
>>
>> Some really cool stuff going on here for your inspiration:
>>
>>- Preview of links in a tooltip
>>- Pages open side by side (see the URL which says ?stackedNotes=ID)
>>- Links to this note show short extract
>>
>> Just wanted to share as I think it's a really nice use case of
>> TiddlyWiki. Here  is my own WIP
>> implementation.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

Thanks Shiraz, that is interesting! That certainly feels like Roam, but in 
a TiddlyWiki kind of way.

But doesn't it lock one into using that one tiddler to open other tiddlers 
that way? Anne-Laure is looking for a way to open a link from *any* tiddler 
into a parallel space for side by side viewing / editing.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:08:55 AM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Shiraz has the muticolumn story river feature.
>
> No exactly like what Saq Imtiaz has done but very close to it is existed 
> in *Shiraz*
> To reproduce do as below
>
>1. Open Shiraz demo page: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/
>2. From right side bar, More tab and then Shiraz tab and under Options 
>click multicolumn story river
>3. Next import the attached example tiddlers
>4. open Story and Then TOC and then close all other tiddlers
>5. Now click on every item in the list of TOC it will open on the right
>6. Edit the TOC if you like to resemble Tiddlywiki story river 
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Ride the Wave

Thank you! I actually started typing a paragraph about TiddlySpot and
removed it. The reason why I didn't include is that there's no SSL/HTTPs,
and many people are looking at Roam alternatives mainly for privacy
reasons. Is it something that will get addressed at some point, maybe with
LetsEncrypt?

On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, 10:14 Mat,  wrote:

> If I were a noob, I'd want to hear about Tiddlyspot
>  which allows free hosting of TW's. It has been
> the go-to solution for many people over the years, including myself, and
> native TW has a built-in saver for it (Controlpanel > Saving > Tiddlyspot).
> The point is to get an online wiki, so it is possible to make it public
> even if it also has a site password feature.
>
> Tiddlyspot was originally made for what we now refer to as TWC (TW
> Classic) so the premade options to choose from when setting up a tiddlyspot
> only has "TWC variants" - so I made a kind of "iframe-skin" to set up a TW5
> on Tiddlyspot: http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com
>
> ...even my aunt could set up a public TW via this page, which is not the
> case for e.g github or "hosting my own server" etc.
>
> I have no affiliation with the cousins Simon and Daniel Baird who are the
> brains behind Tiddlyspot and who (incredibly) generously have provided us
> with this for well over a decade.
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Why does listing also linkify?

Hi Mat

> On 14 Apr 2020, at 12:25, Mat  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Jeremy but so how would I get this output:
> 
> filter="aa [[bb]]"   ->   aa bb
> 
> i.e what should the template look like?
> 
> AFAICT, the custom template is applied to the output but only after the 
> output is already linkified by the widget... so it is not possible to 
> investigate what was a string and what was a link.


Do you mean that you want “bb” to be linkified and not “aa”? That’s not quite 
how filters work: double square brackets within filters are used to delimit 
titles containing spaces. The brackets don’t remain part of the name, and 
therefore aren’t visible to the rendering template.

What are you trying to accomplish?

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

Hi Saq

Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks 
promising!

Questions about SubStories: 

1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.

2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is it 
possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could drag 
a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe when 
dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those 
tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state 
tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't 
know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a 
spark in someone else's mind.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would 
> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click 
> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>
> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel div 
> to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel tab 
> for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up so 
> that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the substory 
> in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>
> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my own 
> two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to 
> distribute:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0
>
> However I can offer guidance to anyone trying to implement the same. It's 
> mostly wiki markup with some sprinklings of javascript to glue things 
> together from what I remember, I haven't fiddled with this in a couple of 
> years.
>
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:49:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view mode, 
>> not in edit mode.
>>
>> I would welcome code so that 
>>
>> a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and 
>> b) the text field is editable
>>
>> This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the 
>>>right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the right 
>>>side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two 
>>> note 
>>>(tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes 
>>> and 
>>>you can collapse them)
>>>
>>> Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you 
 click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely you 
 must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens in edit 
 mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one wysiwyg mode for 
 direct edit?)
  


>>> I think Anne is referring to the "parallel" tab in tiddly blink. It 
>>> needs a bit of work -- you have to type the *entire* tiddler address 
>>> into the box, and then you only get a preview, not an editable version. 
>>>
>>> For my own version, I have forward/back buttons on each tiddler. Then I 
>>> can use the standard search box to find the tiddler I want, and then 
>>> immediately navigate back. But I suppose the long-term solution would be to 
>>> upgrade the parallel search so that it doesn't demand you remember the 
>>> precise title.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Ride the Wave

2020-04-14 Thread Mike Manchester

I'm with Ed, after trying many ways I've ended up with Quine(2) and 
TiddlyDesktop. When I was using node.js I loved some of the features but to 
me they were to costly for me. I wanted to be able to store my wiki's in 
the cloud so I could access them from anywhere and have them updated when I 
made a change. With node.js I haven't found an inexpensive way to do that 
with out having a dedicated website where the wiki's live and as a user I'm 
not knowledgeable enough to setup a website running node.js for just my 
wiki's. 

With Quine and Tiddlydesktop I can use NextCloud or google docs to save my 
wiki's on and access them from my desktop, iphone, or ipad. I'm sad that 
Quine2 isn't available on Android so I'm not able to use this solution on 
my Kindles.  But I usually have my phone with me.

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 11:14:45 PM UTC-4, Ed Heil wrote:
>
> Yes, after going through a lot of back and forth about which save method I 
> should use when I first started messing with tw's, I've landed on 
> TiddlyDesktop (and Quine2 for iOS) -- It's zero-friction; the only issues 
> seem to be dragging and dropping things from other tiddlywikis.
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 7:44:35 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Why node and not TiddlyDesktop? 
>>
>> With classic node, you can only run one TW file at a time. Or you have to 
>> open a second command box and launch another. It requires steps to install 
>> node, and then tiddlywiki, and then to initialize your files. 
>>
>> With TiddlyDesktop, everything works pretty much like a typical Desktop 
>> app that you download and install.
>>
>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:21:21 PM UTC-7, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Dave!
>>>
>>> To me the goal of the "proper install" is to not have to deal with 
>>> saving and re-saving the file all the time, and I want to make sure the 
>>> user understands that, and why it's worth going through the hassle of 
>>> installing Node. I do want the tutorial to be easy, but I want people to 
>>> understand why they're doing what they're doing. What do you think?
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 11:06:32 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi Anne-Laure

 Looking at your tutorial - you suggest the user download the file and 
 play with it. Then later you give the "proper" instructions.

 But there is no way to save changes at that point if they have just 
 downloaded it. Wouldn't it be better to have them play with it in the 
 online empty version just to get familiar with it? Then go through the 
 download and 'how to save changes' processes?

 Dave

 On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Anne-Laure Le Cunff  
 wrote:

> I'm working on a step-by-step getting started tutorial — you can see 
> me work on it live here 
> .
>  
> :)
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 10:36:01 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:14 PM Mohammad  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good news!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 11:57:07 PM UTC+4:30, David Gifford 
>>> wrote:

 FYI 

 Anne-Laure Le Cunff is an influencer with 10,000+ subscribers, and 
 is already promoting TiddlyWiki on her website and on Twitter. (Thank 
 you!!!) See her article here: 
 https://nesslabs.com/roam-research-alternatives

>>>
>>> Really great!
>>>

 I have also seen other, seemingly unrelated interest in TiddlyWiki 
 because of Roam Research, and perhaps my stuff and TiddlyRoam have had 
 something to do with that.

 So be prepared for a wave of new people coming here with questions! 
 And possibly some really great hacks and plugins and ideas.

>>>
>>> This is amazing!
>>>  
>>>

 This could be a big moment in TiddlyWiki's history. But it will 
 probably require patience, time and effort as the questions multiply 
 for a 
 while. This is a curve we don't want to see flatten quickly.

>>>
>>> Dave, I think the tiddlywiki.com should answer many question! But 
>>> the landing page is crowded with different materials and non technical 
>>> newcomers confuse! The description in the first paragraph needs to be 
>>> revised. A linear quick tutorial with simple navigation at the bottom 
>>> (previous | next ) is helpful!
>>>
>>
>> *Yes, I agree the landing page could use some work. But the issue of 
>> how to save changes cannot be avoided. Hard to know what to do about 
>> that.*
>>
>>>
>>> I frequently heard people learn Tiddlywiki through works by other 
>>> (example wikis and docs) and not from tiddlywiki.com
>>>

 *I have too. Just today,

[tw5] Re: An awesome website made with TiddlyWiki + TiddlyBlink

I get a 404 when opening https://anthilemoon.github.io/about. 

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:08:08 PM UTC-5, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> So I got into TiddlyWiki a couple of days ago because I wanted to recreate 
> this 
> website  as a fun weekend project. I 
> only checked the source this morning and realised... It's actually built 
> with TiddlyWiki and TiddlyBlink!
>
> Some really cool stuff going on here for your inspiration:
>
>- Preview of links in a tooltip
>- Pages open side by side (see the URL which says ?stackedNotes=ID)
>- Links to this note show short extract
>
> Just wanted to share as I think it's a really nice use case of TiddlyWiki. 
> Here  is my own WIP implementation.
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Re: [tw5] Why does listing also linkify?

Thanks Jeremy but so how would I get this output:

filter="aa [[bb]]"   ->   aa bb

i.e what should the template look like?

AFAICT, the custom template is applied to the output but only after the 
output is already linkified by the widget... so it is not possible to 
investigate what was a string and what was a link.

Thank you.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Why does listing also linkify?

Hi Mat

If there’s no template content within the list widget, nor a template 
attribute, then the list widget falls back to using a default template 
consisting of a  or  element wrapped around a link to the item. See 
the section “Content and Attributes” here:

https://tiddlywiki.com/#ListWidget

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 14 Apr 2020, at 08:04, Mat  wrote:
> 
> Why, actually, does listing something also forcefully convert it into a link? 
> Why can't items just be listed in the form they came?
> 
> <$list filter="aaa [[bbb bbb]]"/>->  [[aaa]] [[bbb bbb]]
> 
> This is typically useful but this causes problems when using filters as a 
> tool for string manipulation, e.g if trying to identify what is a link and 
> what is not a link, in a text.
> 
> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Presenting: FlexibleGrid Plugin

2020-04-14 Thread Måns Mårtensson

Aah, ok

Tak Birthe :-)

tir. 14. apr. 2020 kl. 12.15 skrev Birthe C :

> Hi Jan
> Well done, it looks beautiful.
>
> @Måns,
> I think we need the MultiMenu tiddlers.
>
> Birthe
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Re: [tw5] Presenting: FlexibleGrid Plugin

2020-04-14 Thread Birthe C

Hi Jan
Well done, it looks beautiful.

@Måns,
I think we need the MultiMenu tiddlers.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

Shiraz has the muticolumn story river feature.

No exactly like what Saq Imtiaz has done but very close to it is existed in 
*Shiraz*
To reproduce do as below

   1. Open Shiraz demo page: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/
   2. From right side bar, More tab and then Shiraz tab and under Options 
   click multicolumn story river
   3. Next import the attached example tiddlers
   4. open Story and Then TOC and then close all other tiddlers
   5. Now click on every item in the list of TOC it will open on the right
   6. Edit the TOC if you like to resemble Tiddlywiki story river 

 

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example.json
Description: application/json

Re: [tw5] Remove .html when linking to pages

Hi Anne-Laure

> I'm going to host one of my wikis on GitHub pages. It's working great so far, 
> except that each page links to filnemame.html, which doesn't look nice. Is 
> there a way to avoid this when exporting to a static website?

Historically we use the HTML extension for static exports because some browsers 
get confused viewing HTML files without an extension from a file:// URI.

You can change things by taking a copy of the template 
$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html and changing the first line from:

\define tv-wikilink-template() $uri_doubleencoded$.html

to:

\define tv-wikilink-template() $uri_doubleencoded$

To render tiddlers using that template, you’d use a command like this, 
substituting the name of your modified template for the last argument.

--render "[!is[system]]" "[encodeuricomponent[]]" "text/html" 
"$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html”

> I cannot use .htaccess on github pages, so would need the URLs in the  href="#"> themselves to look like https://tiddlywiki.com/filename instead of 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/filename.html
> 
> Github already supports displaying the content of 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/filename.html when accessed from 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/filename

Awesome, I had no idea. Just tested it with https://tiddlywiki.com/index which 
happily behaves as if it was https://tiddlywiki.com/index.html.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> 
> Thank you!
> Anne-Laure.
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