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arunn...@gmail.com / @arunnbabu81 
 wrote: *That would be easy to 
do I guess...just have to remove the edit text area from the table. I will 
try when I am back homebut what is the need of using modal to view the 
tiddler? *

Very useful for, for instance, documentation. 
They are superior to popups in that you can house within one an entire 
eco-system of information.

TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Easy/simple CSS tiddler to adjust modal size/position

arunn...@gmail.com / @arunnbabu81 
 wrote: *What do you mean by 
tiddlers not meant for editing ?*

 I can't see how you'd display normal Tiddlers with it.

It seems to only work in edit mode?

I hope this is clearer!

TT 

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[tw5] This Google Group is NOT accurately reflected on Discourse???

FYI I wrote a post about the GG/Discourse connection issue here ...

https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/the-relations-between-the-google-group-here-suck/4330?u=tiddlytweeter

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Re: [tw5] Re: Easy/simple CSS tiddler to adjust modal size/position

@arunnbabu81:  Click on the alternative edit button on the view toolbar of 
the tiddler

Thanks! I see it now! Neat.

How do I use it for Tiddlers that are not for editing?

TT

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[tw5] Re: Easy/simple CSS tiddler to adjust modal size/position

arunn...@gmail.com / @arunnbabu81 


has a link to a demo of modal tweaks?? https://demowiki.tiddlyhost.com

I visited but can't see how to test your modal approach?

Best, TT


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[tw5] Re: I'm going to abstain from Talk.TiddlyWiki

2022-07-25 Thread TiddlyTweeter

On Monday, 25 July 2022 at 18:54:39 UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Much easier to function in Google Groups because it accommodates my 
> disability a lot better.
>
> Apologies to all at Talk.TiddlyWiki.  
>

> Whether I ever do more than just view posts over talk.TiddlyWiki, probably 
> unlikely, at best very sporadically.
>

*That is interesting AND worrying.  *

*I hope you will come back*

*TT*

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[tw5] Re: How to change the color of Tw icons

2022-06-28 Thread TiddlyTweeter

PMario: "That doesn't work that way, since the height and width are 
directly defined in the SVG element. You need to do..."

That is a very nice solution to the SVG "change-dimensions" issue using a 
"class"!

TT

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki + S5 SlideShow System

2022-06-08 Thread TiddlyTweeter

 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
   ... integration with the S5 SlideShow System.

   For the giggles, I've decided to play around with it and TiddlyWiki to 
see how well I can get them working together without too much fussing 
about.  

   ... for anybody interested: TiddlyWiki + S5 


Ciao Charlie

Very interesting!

I remember back when page designs by Eric Meyer (a 
major force in the development of CSS) were a total revelation.
They still stand-up well.

Just a comment, TT.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlyhost site unreachable

2022-06-05 Thread TiddlyTweeter

I don't use tiddly host. But it ain't working now (Central European Time. 
09:10 05-06-22)

[image: Screenshot 2022-06-05 090643.jpg]

On Sunday, 5 June 2022 at 09:03:25 UTC+2 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am unable to reach the tiddlyhost site. Is there anyone else facing this 
> issue?
>
> https://tiddlyhost.com/
>

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[tw5] Re: Can I save tiddlywiki without re-downloading it?

2022-05-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter

" Its nice but is there any way to save the wiki without redownloading it?"

Yes. Without download it restructures itself on "Save" (generally). 
BUT IF you want an actual file  to reload later you will need to save it to 
disk at some point otherwise it will evaporate if you close the browser.

TT

On Tuesday, 3 May 2022 at 17:03:40 UTC+2 sugamka...@gmail.com wrote:

> I started using tiddlywiki maybe two hours ago. Its nice but is there any 
> way to save the wiki without redownloading it? I am using edge and am on 
> fedora os. 
>
> I don't want to use any cloud. I want to encrypt it and push it to my 
> github repo.
>
> Sorry if this question has been asked before.
>

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[tw5] Re: Experimenting with side-by-side tiddlers

2022-04-03 Thread TiddlyTweeter

"Just playing around with an idea for side-by-side tiddler viewing and 
editing..."

Interesting experiment to make it so explicit. It a way it is obvious. In 
another way it isn't till you see it live.

*Such TWOs *are kinda illuminative.

Comment, TT



On Sunday, 3 April 2022 at 03:35:27 UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just playing around with an idea for side-by-side tiddler viewing and 
> editing.
>
> Without making any changes to core tiddlers, something I am increasingly 
> trying to avoid.
>
> In the attached json, you'll find tiddlers a, b, and c.
>
> c transcludes tiddlers a and b.
>
> Each with a transclusion template for just viewing the tiddlers, and again 
> each but with a transclusion template for editing the tiddlers.
>
> Somebody has likely done the same kind of thing, in which case maybe 
> somebody can post a link to previously done work.
>
> Sneak a peek and see if there's anything in there that's of interest.  
> Download and drag into tiddlywiki.com
>

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[tw5] Re: TW5 Sortable Tables

2022-03-20 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Jennifer

Very interesting! Tx. There are other solutions but this looks nicely 
lightweight. I will test and comment

Best, TT


On Sunday, 20 March 2022 at 04:57:15 UTC+1 Jennifer S wrote:

> I've been successful with this script:
>
> https://github.com/tofsjonas/sortable
>
> I'm just including a link to it in the head via $:/tags/RawMarkup. It's 
> lightweight and fast.
>
> On Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 2:04:12 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Why is this thread marked "Completed" & shows this *nonsense* on first 
>> post? ...
>>
>> [image: Annotation 2019-08-22 200209.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Some odd stuff for the fun of it

2022-02-27 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Dear 422 / Gloom* (not gloomy)*

After sweat I got the joke! :-)  Though I do think a link to a TW that does 
it and explains it might evoke the *startlement* better :-).

Just moaning, TT x

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[tw5] Re: Farm of single-file TiddlyWiki instances ?

2022-02-26 Thread TiddlyTweeter

 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> I didn't know about it, and even if I did, I probably wouldn't look at it 
> until I've gone as far as I can go with my own exploring.  (I prefer learn 
> by doing than studying somebody else's work.)

*Kudos on that. *(Though I want to comment that Jed is one of the great TW 
thinker/programmers. He has not been so live recently, but basically the 
man has created great work in TW. He spearheaded the TW approach to 
"Federation". In Bob he provides a superb way to maintain wiki.)

Side comment
TT

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[tw5] Re: Farm of single-file TiddlyWiki instances ?

2022-02-26 Thread TiddlyTweeter

 inmy...@gmail.com wrote:

> Is there a reason that the twederation plugin doesn't work?


Likely it is *no longer so known* as a viable, interesting, useful, thing.

I love the work you done. Bob is stellar. Part of the issue, I think, is we 
quickly lose great work because there is no framework to record / renew 
great achievements persistently.

Just a comment
TT


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[tw5] Re: TW-Enhanced BAM Programming: TW for GUI and storage, BASIC for processing

2022-02-20 Thread TiddlyTweeter

 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> ... sample showcases TiddlyWiki providing the GUI to interact with a 
> running BASIC programming.
>
> So one-way (TiddlyWiki to BASIC) sharing/communication.
>
> Give the Sunshine Application 
> 
>  
> a try.  Nothing fancy, just proof-in-the-pudding concept.
>

Very interesting *proof-in-the-pudding concept.*

FYI if now wondering* if. If* the same approach could be used to interact 
with generic O/S scripting lingos like *Powershell.*

I'm not really any kind of programmer, but I thought the immediacy of the 
example brilliant!

One thing I do do is convert large texts farmed from the net to TW format. 
I'm thinking the approach you illustrate here could make that easier?

Just an appreciative comment
TT 

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[tw5] Re: LocalStorage and TiddlyWiki: toe-dip into exploring possibilities

2022-01-25 Thread TiddlyTweeter

cj.v...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I'd trust this for longterm/safe storage 
of anything, but I am intrigued by the possibilities.  

Quick comment on how I have used it. I think it is robust enough for, for 
instance, garnering responses immediately. But I would not trust it between 
sessions. It is also browser specific. So, yes, additive utility, for 
clearly defined scenarios. But, no, for a persistent system.

Just a comment
TT

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[tw5] Re: Just found out about Signatures!

2022-01-20 Thread TiddlyTweeter

morgain...@gmail.com wrote: "I just discovered that I can use the drawing 
feature to allow my clients to sign forms on my touch-screen. This 
streamlines my job so much!"

Absolutely right! Great example! In fact I think documenting such use-cases 
like this is *very* helpful to end-users.

TW is a universe of *uses*. How we'd document that in an organized fashion, 
all the potential use.cases, I don't know.

Thoughts
TT

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[tw5] Re: Transclusion Terminology

reinhard:  I have an extensive programming background*. *In Programming 
there it is never a question if a function is the *caller* or the *callee*, 
even with recursive functions. And in programming *recursion* is an 
advanced topic, that is definitely not for neophytes.

Right. Sort of. BUT in TiddlyWiki many of the skilled tweakers are *not 
*professional 
programmers. That is part of it's character--practically it is used by folk 
of many kinds. Regarding the OP, I think it will appeal to the "hobbyist 
jacker" too ...who is the neophyte+. Certainly any idea you *have* to be a 
full-on programmer to deep tweak TW would be wrong. The whole thing we do 
here is testament that it isn't. 

So in that context it might be worth revisiting your interesting OP. 

Whom are you thinking needs the "*caller*" / "*callee*" differentiation?

Anyway, happy today
TT

On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 14:06:45 UTC+1 reinhard...@gmail.com wrote:

> @TiddlyTweeter
>
> " Overall I like where you coming from."
> And what might this be?
>
> *"Broadly, in documents, how do we explain complex nested transclusion to 
> neophytes?"*
>
> *I wouldn't even try!* IMHO, *recursion* and *complex nested 
> transclusions* are topics for people that are no longer neophytes.
>
> I'm have an extensive programming background*. *In Programming there it 
> is never a question if a function is the *caller* or the *callee*, even 
> with recursive functions. And in programming *recursion* is an advanced 
> topic, that is definitely not for neophytes.
>
> Have a nice day!
> -Reinhard
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 1:01:39 PM UTC+1 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao reinhard,
>>
>> Nice post! To get to the grist...
>>
>> reinhard: "there is never a doubt which tiddler is which"
>>
>> Ah! There is! In your own OP you sensibly want to differentiate "der" 
>> from  "dee".
>> My concern is for the Virgin User who likely has no idea what *recursion* 
>> is; how would they know an "er" from an "ee"?
>>
>> *Broadly, in documents, how do we explain complex nested transclusion to 
>> neophytes?*
>>
>> This is just a thought. 
>> Overall I like where you coming from.
>>
>> Best, TT
>>
>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 11:56:49 UTC+1 reinhard...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @TiddlyTweeter
>>>
>>> *"No, it wouldn't.* The residual issue is* positional reference. *A* 
>>> transcluder *is* relative *to a *transcludee.*
>>>
>>> Yes, of course. That' the whole crux of the matter. Any tiddler can take 
>>> on both the role of a transcluder and a transcludee. It depends on the 
>>> context. But given two tiddlers with a transclusion relationship there is 
>>> never a doubt which tiddler is which.
>>> "Without positional referencing you would not know what is transcluded 
>>> from what is transcluding."
>>>
>>> Its not the concern of the *transcluder* if the *transcludee* produces 
>>> its content by nested transclusions or not. So positional referencing is 
>>> not needed.
>>>
>>> "FYI, I think your basic split in terms is useful, but you'll need a *third 
>>> term* too to help *explicate nesting*."
>>>
>>> Why? We say transclusions are *nested*, if a *transcludee* (a 
>>> transcluded tiddler) in turn transcludes another tiddler and so takes on 
>>> the role of a *trancluder* relative to this thidd tiddler.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:36:55 AM UTC+1 Reinhard Engel wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Mat
>>>>
>>>> Never mind! 
>>>>
>>>> Just image you always have to say "the employing person" vs "the 
>>>> employed person". Anyway, I wanted to add some information about 
>>>> transclusions into my wiki and looked for some suitable tiddler titles. 
>>>> *TheTranscludingTiddler* and *TheTranscludedTiddler* seemed to 
>>>> cumbersome. So I chose the suggested terms. They work for me, and I 
>>>> thought 
>>>> they might be useful in general.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your remarks!
>>>>
>>>> -Reinhard
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:21:10 AM UTC+1 Reinhard Engel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @TiddlyTweeter
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Part of the issue* though* is that in TW "transclusion" is 
>>>>> potentially *radical*. Transclusions can be nested infinitely. So, in 
>>>>> that context, the terms "Transcluder" / "Transcludee" would not be so 
>>>>> transparent in actual use"
>>>>>
>>>>> If transclusions are nested, each intermediate tiddler takes on both 
>>>>> the roles *transcludee* and *transcluder*.
>>>>> The relationship is between the transcluder and the transcludee is 
>>>>> strictly binary. The transcluder doesn't and shouldn't care about how the 
>>>>> transcludee produces its content.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Transclusion Terminology

Ciao reinhard,

Nice post! To get to the grist...

reinhard: "there is never a doubt which tiddler is which"

Ah! There is! In your own OP you sensibly want to differentiate "der" from  
"dee".
My concern is for the Virgin User who likely has no idea what *recursion* 
is; how would they know an "er" from an "ee"?

*Broadly, in documents, how do we explain complex nested transclusion to 
neophytes?*

This is just a thought. 
Overall I like where you coming from.

Best, TT

On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 11:56:49 UTC+1 reinhard...@gmail.com wrote:

> @TiddlyTweeter
>
> *"No, it wouldn't.* The residual issue is* positional reference. *A* 
> transcluder *is* relative *to a *transcludee.*
>
> Yes, of course. That' the whole crux of the matter. Any tiddler can take 
> on both the role of a transcluder and a transcludee. It depends on the 
> context. But given two tiddlers with a transclusion relationship there is 
> never a doubt which tiddler is which.
> "Without positional referencing you would not know what is transcluded 
> from what is transcluding."
>
> Its not the concern of the *transcluder* if the *transcludee* produces 
> its content by nested transclusions or not. So positional referencing is 
> not needed.
>
> "FYI, I think your basic split in terms is useful, but you'll need a *third 
> term* too to help *explicate nesting*."
>
> Why? We say transclusions are *nested*, if a *transcludee* (a transcluded 
> tiddler) in turn transcludes another tiddler and so takes on the role of a 
> *trancluder* relative to this thidd tiddler.
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:36:55 AM UTC+1 Reinhard Engel wrote:
>
>> @Mat
>>
>> Never mind! 
>>
>> Just image you always have to say "the employing person" vs "the employed 
>> person". Anyway, I wanted to add some information about transclusions into 
>> my wiki and looked for some suitable tiddler titles. 
>> *TheTranscludingTiddler* and *TheTranscludedTiddler* seemed to 
>> cumbersome. So I chose the suggested terms. They work for me, and I thought 
>> they might be useful in general.
>>
>> Thanks for your remarks!
>>
>> -Reinhard
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:21:10 AM UTC+1 Reinhard Engel wrote:
>>
>>> @TiddlyTweeter
>>>
>>> You wrote:
>>>
>>> "Part of the issue* though* is that in TW "transclusion" is potentially 
>>> *radical*. Transclusions can be nested infinitely. So, in that context, 
>>> the terms "Transcluder" / "Transcludee" would not be so transparent in 
>>> actual use"
>>>
>>> If transclusions are nested, each intermediate tiddler takes on both the 
>>> roles *transcludee* and *transcluder*.
>>> The relationship is between the transcluder and the transcludee is 
>>> strictly binary. The transcluder doesn't and shouldn't care about how the 
>>> transcludee produces its content.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Transclusion Terminology

Mat "I occasionally refer to people who use tiddlywiki as *tiddleurs* 
(pronounced 
with a French accent, in my mind) I don’t expect anyone else to use it"

You, bricoleur <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bricoleur>, you :-)

TT

On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 11:58:02 UTC+1 Mat wrote:

> I occasionally refer to people who use tiddlywiki as *tiddleurs* (pronounced 
> with a French accent, in my mind) I don't expect anyone else to use it but 
> I stick to it because I think it is funny (...hm, I'm not normally that 
> easily amused). If anyone has to ask what I mean, then no biggie. So, I say 
> go with your terminology, whatever makes you happy!
>
> <:-)
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:36:55 AM UTC+1 reinhard...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> @Mat
>>
>> Never mind! 
>>
>> Just image you always have to say "the employing person" vs "the employed 
>> person". Anyway, I wanted to add some information about transclusions into 
>> my wiki and looked for some suitable tiddler titles. 
>> *TheTranscludingTiddler* and *TheTranscludedTiddler* seemed to 
>> cumbersome. So I chose the suggested terms. They work for me, and I thought 
>> they might be useful in general.
>>
>> Thanks for your remarks!
>>
>> -Reinhard
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:21:10 AM UTC+1 Reinhard Engel wrote:
>>
>>> @TiddlyTweeter
>>>
>>> You wrote:
>>>
>>> "Part of the issue* though* is that in TW "transclusion" is potentially 
>>> *radical*. Transclusions can be nested infinitely. So, in that context, 
>>> the terms "Transcluder" / "Transcludee" would not be so transparent in 
>>> actual use"
>>>
>>> If transclusions are nested, each intermediate tiddler takes on both the 
>>> roles *transcludee* and *transcluder*.
>>> The relationship is between the transcluder and the transcludee is 
>>> strictly binary. The transcluder doesn't and shouldn't care about how the 
>>> transcludee produces its content.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Transclusion Terminology



reinhard...@gmail.com wrote:

The tiddler that’s referencing another tiddler is called the *transcluder*, 
the tiddler (content) that is being included is called the *transcludee*.

That would be it.

---

*No, it wouldn't.* The residual issue is* positional reference. *A* 
transcluder *is* relative *to a *transcludee. *
Without positional referencing you would not know what is transcluded from 
what is transcluding.

FYI, I think your basic split in terms is useful, but you'll need a *third 
term* too to help *explicate nesting*.

A comment
TT

On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 10:53:13 UTC+1 reinhard...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Mat
>
> Why LOL?
>
> Normally, every new term has to be explained when it is introduced. What's 
> wrong with
>
> *Transclusion* is generally the inclusion of the content of a tiddler 
> into another tiddler by reference. The tiddler that's referencing another 
> tiddler is called the *transcluder*, the tiddler (content) that is being 
> included is called the *transcludee*.
>
> That would be it.
>
> Surely, these two new terms are not stranger than the term *tiddler*, 
> that has also to be explained. But once you have grokked it, you understand 
> it everywhere.
>
> -Reinhard
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:14:43 AM UTC+1 Mat wrote:
>
>> LOL! Sure, but you're running the risk of having to explain the term 
>> which kind of nullifies the point... ;-)
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 8:57:24 AM UTC+1 reinhard...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When talking about transclusions, it's a little cumbersome to talk about 
>>> *the 
>>> tiddler that's doing the transclusion* and *the tiddler that's being 
>>> transcluded*.
>>>
>>> So, if it has been done before or elsewhere, may I suggest the two terms
>>>
>>> *Transcluder* (the tiddler that's doing the transclusion)
>>> *Transcludee* (the tiddler that's being transcluded)
>>>
>>> patterned af *employer* and *employee*?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Transclusion Terminology

 reinhard...@gmail.com wrote:

> ... may I suggest the two terms
>
> *Transcluder* (the tiddler that's doing the transclusion)
> *Transcludee* (the tiddler that's being transcluded)
>

I think that is a neat observation! The "linguistics" of terms in computing 
generally often lacks the precision to know what is the "subject" and what 
is the "object". They blurr. In the specific case: you are pointing to a 
language issue that actually could be very relevant to beginners to 
understand what is what in real usage.

Part of the issue* though* is that in TW "transclusion" is potentially 
*radical*. Transclusions can be nested infinitely. So, in that context, the 
terms "Transcluder" / "Transcludee" would not be so transparent in actual 
use.

Just a comment
TT

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[tw5] Re: Saving Tiddlywiki

2022-01-15 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Whoah. Interesting posts. That I had to come back to here from the other 
place to comment on.

Mark S. wrote:

> ... why not just use a modern browser with Timimi? 
>

Right! The whole Palemoon, *"we will save you" *thing, after the Firefox 
meltdown, proved a dead end.

If wishes were horses camels would fly. Browsers mainly exist in swamps 
anyway.

Just a comment
TT

TheVicar wrote:
>
Since Tiddlywiki Classic I am using  "Palemoon" Version 28.14 together 
>> with Tiddly Fox. This works perfect the only thing is, you must not upgrade.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: New Release Banner Super-speedy Competition for v5.2.1

2021-11-29 Thread TiddlyTweeter

My two cents. I think Mohammad's entry good. It visually conveys filtering 
well.

TT   

On Monday, 29 November 2021 at 11:53:48 UTC+1 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> And thank you for all the entrants so far. The banner competition always 
> attracts great entries, but I particularly appreciate the skill of 
> designing under strict time constraints!
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> >Some of you may like the below banner!
>
>
>
>
>> [image: drawing-optim.png]
>>
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:06:36 PM UTC+3:30 jeremy wrote:
>>
>>> As usual, I’d like to hold a competition to design the banner image that 
>>> is shown on the splash screen and within the opening HelloThere tiddler.
>>>
>>> The unusual thing this time around is that we have very limited time. 
>>> Due to a serious bug introduced by the latest version of Chrome we are 
>>> trying to get v5.2.1 released as soon as possible, perhaps as soon as this 
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>> With that in mind, we’ll have to run the competition slightly 
>>> differently this time:
>>>
>>>- Entries will be accepted until Friday morning at 8am UK time
>>>- To speed things up, my plan is that I should choose the winning 
>>>image (I’m open to discussion here!)
>>>
>>> The artwork should reflect some of the changes in the new version. I’ve 
>>> updated the release note for the prerelease but at this point the 
>>> documentation for some of the new features is not complete.
>>>
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/
>>>
>>> The other rules/guidelines for the competition are:
>>>
>>>- The version number (with the correct punctuation) must be clear 
>>>and readable even when the banner is shown at a reduced size
>>>- The image must be a PNG or JPEG of exactly 560x315 pixels
>>>- The bottom 46 pixels will be obscured by the banner text 
>>>“What’s new in 5.2.1” when it is displayed within HelloThere
>>>- The image need not include the word “TiddlyWiki”. The banner image 
>>>is only used in contexts where it is clear that it is about TiddlyWiki
>>>- Feel free to enter an updated version of artwork that was a 
>>>runner-up in a previous competition
>>>- Reply to this message with your entry, or any questions
>>>- Please give lots of feedback here to encourage the artists
>>>
>>> Here are the posts about previous artwork competitions:
>>>
>>> v5.2.0 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/eccIEHZoxsI/m/JpxoQdZrAwAJ
>>> v5.1.23 - https://groups.google.com/g/
>>> tiddlywiki/c/cTgPWl8b_9c/m/VtrMFHBGAwAJ
>>> v5.1.22 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/rYrja18_SfQ/m/JAklPfjfAwAJ
>>> v5.1.21 - 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/l47ZZzWdDb8/m/6s0p_3QeCgAJ
>>>
>>> The Chrome bug I was referring to is discussed here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/6254
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/6261
>>>
>>> Plans for the v5.2.1 release are being discussed here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/6259
>>>
>>> Best wishes and many thanks,
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: gg VS talk

2021-11-13 Thread TiddlyTweeter

I just want add a comment. I think Eric's take is right.

On Thursday, 11 November 2021 at 17:27:28 UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 7:52:00 AM UTC-8 Mat wrote:
>
>> > Visit our new, *experimental* Discourse discussion: talk.tiddlywiki.org
>>
>
>> How long is talk.tw gonna be experimental?
>>
>
> I think the experiment has been successful.  I am inclined to remove the 
> word "experimental" from the GG header notice, so it would be listed as 
> simply another "alternative", just like the current 
> https://twitter.com/TiddlyWiki and https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/ 
> links.
>  
>
>> And what's it take to prove it is better?
>>
>
> Although many (but not all) have said they now prefer 
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/, "better" is a matter of personal opinion.  
> I don't think it needs to be "proven" to be "better"... it's merely another 
> site for TiddlyWiki info.
>  
>
>> And what if it is better, are we gonna shut this here down then?
>>
>
> IF the frequency of posts here drops to near zero, then I would be 
> inclined to change the GG header to indicate that the discussion has 
> "migrated" to https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/, just as we have done with the 
> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywikidev discussion, which was moved to 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/discussions and has had a total 
> of 5 GoogleGroup posts since mid-June 2021.  In any case, I don't think we 
> should ever completely "shut this here down", as there are many links 
> external to this group.  As such, it will always be at least a historical 
> resource for older discussion threads.
>
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: How make TW appear alive?

2021-10-19 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Mat

I think the whole *Showcase *thing is central to getting TW used more.

It is not so much about shiny wiki as about "*fit for purpose*". 
*IF I am an anthropologist which version should I use? *

Early comment
TT

On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 18:22:29 UTC+2 Mat wrote:

> Just throwing out a problem I've thought about:
>
> It would be good for the TW project to have more demo use cases: Real 
> wikis that 
>
>1. are nicely designed
>2. take advantage the TW features
>3. don't appear abandoned
>
> It is tricky to come across public wikis that fulfil these, BUT I'd think 
> that many people here would be willing to share a *copy* of their 
> personal wiki, anonymized and with sensitive data cleansed out. 
>
> But the problem that remains is #3, preventing "appearance decay" because 
> things age and feel dead. What ways are there to prevent visitors from 
> getting this impression? 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlers are dense and long

2021-10-16 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Hans (hww...@gmail.com)

Meanwhile, till I can find the exact Bimlas discussion, I did write a long 
note on Zettlekasten that had an interesting ensuing discussion 
... https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/pCcWB2zVD40/m/3YILA5jsBQAJ 

Best, TT
 
hww...@gmail.com wrote:

> @TiddlyTweeter
>
> The thoughts in this thread are a good review of some basic concepts would 
> likely be helpful to newCoimers as well as veterans.  Hence I think there 
> (/should be)  interest in accepting your offer to add some links.
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlers are dense and long

2021-10-16 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Mat wrote (slightly edit by me):

> ... you ... *reuse the content in different narratives*. But if you don't 
> reuse the content in other narratives, then there is no real need for ... 
> fine grained partition of the content.

 

> ...but you say this is for your Zettelkasten ... I.e if your purpose is 
> "zettelkasten" then wouldn't that steer how long the content of your 
> tiddlers would be?
>

Right.  Traditional Zettelkasten entries never change their titles. And 
they tend towards a strict, delimited, unchanging, scope. FWIW, in various 
experiments in TW with Zettlekasten, there has been *translusion* used to 
cope, particularly, with "inter-referring" between them.  A modest 
extension from the basic idea of their "invariability". Bimlas has written 
and worked extensively about this. I'll look for his links if there is 
interest.

Side comment, TT

On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 6:52:53 PM UTC+2 rikagol...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I use my Tiddlywiki as a Zettelkaten (work in process!) and some of my 
>> Tiddlers are quite long. I title the Tiddler with a unique piece of 
>> information, in my own words, and then I include a description and 
>> resources. Some of my Tiddlers get very long...maybe too long. Is there a 
>> best practice for Tiddler length and what to include in the Tiddler?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: WikiLabs plugin update + New plugins

2021-09-24 Thread TiddlyTweeter


>
> PMario wrote ...
> Data tiddlers have advantages for some usecases and disadvantages for 
> others. ... I think the concept of dadatiddlers can only be removed if we 
> can create something, that is adequate but works with tiddlers. At the 
> moment we don't have such a mechanism.
>

Right. Your KEYVALUES PLUGIN  looks 
most interesting. I flirted with it before but couldn't understand it well. 

I'm a bit of an idiot so need some hand-holding at first. 

Would it be okay to open a discussion thread about its practical use on Your 
GitHub ?

Best, TT

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[tw5] Re: WikiLabs plugin update + New plugins

2021-09-24 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Stobot wrote:

> @pmario - ... I had it setup one tiddler per user (all 26,000 of us) and 
> searching was painful. I instead dumped the same information into a 
> datatiddler with just the userid as the key, and a delimited string of 
> fields as the value, and your keyvalues filter operator allows me to search 
> *instantly*.


I just want to comment: *that* is extremely useful to know!

Tx, TT

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[tw5] Re: What are editor options for TiddlyWiki syntax highlighting?

2021-09-20 Thread TiddlyTweeter


>
> *TT: You forgot to mention your own Custom Markup* that can do highlights 
>> easy already and more :-)
>
>
> PM: ... Hmmm, It's built for a different usecase. It can do highlights for 
> the rendered output. ... The OP is for editor highlighting.
>

Ciao PMario 

*My bad*. For not fully understanding* cj.v's* OP!

That said, I thought your post both addressed *cj.v's *issues and the 
broader issue of general markup parsing well. I do appreciate such good* 
orientation* posts!

Issues arising ...

   1 - Right. Code-Mirror is the bees-knees for the programmatic mind :-)

   2 - *But, *I *do *sometimes wonder about whether we could use the live 
*Preview 
Pane* in the Editor better. 
Like get it to *co-scroll with the edits? *
Since preview is live in TW I do wonder if we could do better harmonizing 
its showing with the typing, broheem? 

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: What are editor options for TiddlyWiki syntax highlighting?

2021-09-19 Thread TiddlyTweeter

PMario

*You forgot to mention your own Custom Markup* that can do highlights easy 
already and more :-)

TBH we need to open up this more. 

There is no serious brain science involved in editor markup. 
It just needs a clever person like you to provide the way to engage a 
parser to apply the HTML/CSS as needed in render.

I think we making a mountain out of a molehill. 
*Your Custom Markup *is really good in solving this kind of issue easily.

A think its *Generic Solutions*  much better long term already. It it much 
better to have one logic than several.

Just saying,
TT

On Sunday, 19 September 2021 at 04:13:33 UTC+2 PMario wrote:

> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 3:05:52 AM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
> ...
>
>> Does anybody know of other editors that either have TiddlyWiki syntax 
>> highlighting built-in or allow custom language syntax highlighting?
>>
>  
> There is a plugin for VSCode, named: TiddlyWiki5 Syntax, which can be 
> installed as any other highlighter.
>
> As a TW plugin there is: 
> https://github.com/Gk0Wk/CodeMirror-Mode-TiddlyWiki5/blob/main/README_en.md 
> now. 
>
> -mario
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

2021-08-31 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Mohammad

That is very generous of you! Thank you!

TT

On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 08:32:26 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:

>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 10:00 AM TiddlyTweeter  
> wrote:
>
>> Ciao Mohammad
>
>
> Hello Jociah,
>
>  
>
>>
>> A PROBLEM with the short form for our Discourse group (
>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org) is it make it "TT".
>>
>> *BUT I'm TT ! (@TiddlyTweeter) :-). *
>>
>
> Oh, yes, it is registered name by you ;-)
>
>>
>> I'm  Reviewing The Situation 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96rC4X_KWl4> with my on-line name for 
>> Discourse. :-)
>>
>
> Sure I use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of TT in future post!
>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>> On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 06:37:25 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> One nice feature of TT (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org) is it has syntax 
>>> highlighting and it knows code blocks!
>>> I can simply copy codes bysing the handy button top right of code block 
>>> and paste in my Tiddlywiki!
>>>
>>> For example see 
>>> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/tw5-list-sort-by-count-field-operator/366/7
>>>
>>> Thank you TT! You made life easier!
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 8:31 PM Mohammad  wrote:
>>>
>>>> More features
>>>>
>>>> *https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ <https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/>*
>>>>
>>>> 1. is much more readable on my mobile phone than GG
>>>> 2. is more mobile friendly in terms of layout
>>>> 3. allows me to reply privately to author
>>>> 4. allow me to create a wiki (means a page, multiple users can edit it)
>>>> 5. when I type the new post subjects warns me of similar questions
>>>> 6. display the summary of page if I put a link
>>>>
>>>> talk.tiddlywiki.org makes life easier!  
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 3:04:08 PM UTC+4:30 Mohammad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> *Why should we use Talk Tiddlywiki (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ 
>>>>> <https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/>) instead of Google Forum?*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>1. it mirrors all posts from Google Forum, so you will be notified 
>>>>>what is going on Google Forum
>>>>>2. it allows previewing your post before sending
>>>>>3. it allows editing your post after it was sent! (this is very 
>>>>>good feature I frequently need)
>>>>>4. it supports pinig other users
>>>>>5. it support code block
>>>>>6. it supports nice sharing features e.g share to Twitter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please complete this list with features I missed!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>> Mohammad
>>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Use Talk Tiddlywiki instead of Google Forum

2021-08-30 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Mohammad

A PROBLEM with the short form for our Discourse group 
(https://talk.tiddlywiki.org) is it make it "TT".

*BUT I'm TT ! (@TiddlyTweeter) :-). *

I'm  Reviewing The Situation <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96rC4X_KWl4> 
with my on-line name for Discourse. :-)

Best wishes
TT

On Tuesday, 31 August 2021 at 06:37:25 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:

> One nice feature of TT (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org) is it has syntax 
> highlighting and it knows code blocks!
> I can simply copy codes bysing the handy button top right of code block 
> and paste in my Tiddlywiki!
>
> For example see 
> https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/t/tw5-list-sort-by-count-field-operator/366/7
>
> Thank you TT! You made life easier!
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 8:31 PM Mohammad  wrote:
>
>> More features
>>
>> *https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ <https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/>*
>>
>> 1. is much more readable on my mobile phone than GG
>> 2. is more mobile friendly in terms of layout
>> 3. allows me to reply privately to author
>> 4. allow me to create a wiki (means a page, multiple users can edit it)
>> 5. when I type the new post subjects warns me of similar questions
>> 6. display the summary of page if I put a link
>>
>> talk.tiddlywiki.org makes life easier!  
>>
>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 3:04:08 PM UTC+4:30 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> *Why should we use Talk Tiddlywiki (https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ 
>>> <https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/>) instead of Google Forum?*
>>>
>>>
>>>1. it mirrors all posts from Google Forum, so you will be notified 
>>>what is going on Google Forum
>>>2. it allows previewing your post before sending
>>>3. it allows editing your post after it was sent! (this is very good 
>>>feature I frequently need)
>>>4. it supports pinig other users
>>>5. it support code block
>>>6. it supports nice sharing features e.g share to Twitter
>>>
>>>
>>> Please complete this list with features I missed!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
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[tw5] Re: 10 Years of TiddlyWiki Development in 7 Minutes

2021-08-29 Thread TiddlyTweeter

@PMario I  like that! It is one of the FEW representations I have ever seen 
where coding emulates the ORGANIC well.

The use of MUSIC in it is really good! Ever a liker of Fantasia, a use of 
sophisticated 
music for modern sensibilities , 
its gets 10 out of 10 for me ... 

TT, x

On Monday, 2 August 2021 at 20:32:16 UTC+2 PMario wrote:

>
> 10 Years of TiddlyWiki Development in 7 Minutes 
> 
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Re: [tw5] "I moved to Discourse" - add your name too?

2021-08-25 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Jeremy

Very GOOD reply. Very frank, clear, to the point. You really are a very, 
very good BDFL .

Just FYI, regarding moving ... I agree with all your points. Especially (b) 
where the wanting to move OFF GG has come up seriously several times in the 
last few years, and which this initiative may solve. And (c) where it is 
IMPORTANT *we don't rush the process of transfer* (IF any); it being vital 
to ensure that Discourse will serve ALL of us well into the future. 
Addressing Ed's case is highly pertinent to achieving that IMO .

Regarding (d), the facilities Discourse offers, its looks superior to GG. 
My concern is it is quite complex (rich) and I want to be sure a newbie 
will be able to cope in a way they can get answers they need. 
I suspect WE may need to provide more documentation to make this side of it 
easier. 

Just my thoughts at the moment

Best wishes
Josiah
On Wednesday, 25 August 2021 at 18:51:43 UTC+2 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hi Ed
>
> Apologies, I'm taking a short holiday break, but wanted to jump in to 
> reassure you (and others) of a few points:
>
> a) talk.tiddlywiki.org is an experiment for the moment, but my hope is 
> that we will migrate all of our Google Groups to the new service (and set 
> the old groups to "read-only" so that they will continue to be available as 
> an archive)
>
> b) the idea of migrating from Google Groups has been floating around for 
> many years, but I've always been very cautious about. A great friend of 
> TiddlyWiki called Boris Mann kindly offered to help get us set up on the 
> new platform, an offer which was meaningful because he already runs several 
> other instances of Discourse
>
> c) It has to be an experiment because we want to bring everyone with us to 
> the new platform. There's been a lot of great feedback about what people 
> like about the new forum, and what they struggle with. The volunteers are 
> working hard to tweak the system to suit everyone
>
> d) My own experience is that Discourse is superior to Google Groups in 
> almost every way, but I don't underestimate the friction of making the 
> change
>
> Lastly, thank you for sharing your situation with us. Your perspective is 
> inspiring, and there's a lot for us to learn about inclusivity. In the 
> software development industry a certain amount of lip service is paid to 
> accommodating users with visual, auditory or motor difficulties, but very 
> little to cognitive impairment. I suffered from some of it when my long 
> COVID was at its worst, which certainly left me thinking that these 
> considerations would only increase in importance.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 12:18:33 PM UTC+1 barro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Someone say herding cats?  Let me testify, just like with walking into 
>> Mordor, you don't just herd cats.  You lead them.  And if they don't feel 
>> like following, it probably won't be happening...
>>
>> Yes, I know I'm no help...
>>
>> Will Discourse threads be indexed by Google in general?  I'm sure a few 
>> people (myself included) depend on the ease of being able to find TW info 
>> from this group (as well as TW official static pages) on normal Google web 
>> search results (I believe TW Reddit content also will come up in web 
>> searches)
>> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:14:09 PM UTC-4 eddi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: My Brain.jpg]
>>>
>>> Thank You! I do have trouble communicating my thoughts clearly and keep 
>>> this photo on my phone when I run into situations where I think I may need 
>>> to explain why (they do this yearly and there has been no change in the 3/4 
>>> inch diameter hole in a very big head LOL). I am not looking for pity but 
>>> hoping to help make your point. We are all using TiddlyWiki with our own 
>>> understanding and skills. You are also absolutely right, the condensed 
>>> updates are as much or more than I can handle personally as is (you guys 
>>> are way too busy!) LOL. I keep up with these just to make sure what few 
>>> plugins I use are not known or expected to break as TW evolves. Also, I 
>>> think it is important that Jeremy has a say in which he wants to use. 
>>> Realizing of course the real discussion is happening in GIT but all of that 
>>> is way over my head now anyway. Still his announcements about new features 
>>> and explanations on how to use those when questions come up here as well as 
>>> the base TiddlyWiki without addons or plugins (or at least as minimal a set 
>>> as possible) have been extremely helpful to me. So where he goes I need to 
>>> go because he knows when he adds new features he needs to make the 
>>> explanations and use of them as intuitive and user friendly (there's an old 
>>> term!) as possible and most likely with those explanations in mind. 
>>> TiddlyWiki itself is the best example that I can think of due to its 
>>> simplicity in a way. It has

[tw5] We need more discourse about Discourse ... and not just the positives ...

2021-08-21 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Following other folks enthusiasm I signed up to Discourse. 
BUT it is something of an issue  how it works.

I am a beginner there so I can only express *Opinions*, not a fully formed 
critique yet.
BUT there ARE *snafus* that need attention BEFORE any mass migration ...

SINCE it is looking increasingly likely we WILL migrate, it is very 
important that regular GG users express not just positive opinions but also 
any concerns they have about it soon. 

FWIW, my biggest concern with Discourse is *I am not yet convinced is will 
be user friendly* for newbies or for a user only wanting to post occasional 
questions.

Best wishes
Josiah


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[tw5] Re: I Think I Hacked TiddlyWiki

2021-08-17 Thread TiddlyTweeter

 Mark S. wrote:

> That was one of the concerns with TWederation. You could import from 
> someone you trusted who imported from someone they trusted who ... actually 
> couldn't be trusted. It's kind of a hard problem.
>

*Right! *It IS an interesting issue. But *maybe as much an anthropological 
issue as a technical one. *
Suddenly tech switches into *"HOW CAN I TRUST?" *mode. 
Despite the fact most everyone, well everyone, here (you, reading this) is 
completely trust-worthy. 
I think its a basic sociological fact that much of the internet is NOW 
premised on the idea you can't trust anyone.
It has led to a kind of "authentication gymnastics" that makes doing some 
things very convoluted.

Just rambles
TT

>
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 8:13:42 AM UTC-7 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>> I'd be more concerned about people being tricked into importing a 
>>> tiddler that contained code like this.
>>>
>>
>> From my perspective this is the only practical concern, and once again 
>> emphasizes the need to be careful when importing content from others. 
>>
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[tw5] Re: I Think I Hacked TiddlyWiki

2021-08-17 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Mark S. wrote:

> ...  Modern browsers, as we have found out to our chagrin, tell you that 
> they are doing a download. They can only download to one place, which is 
> usually the download directory. They know nothing about the file system, 
> and can't even tell you the path of an image that has been loaded (also to 
> our chagrin). Once a file is downloaded, it can only be executed by a 
> deliberate action. On Linux, most file managers won't execute from the GUI 
> anymore, so no accidental clicking. On Windows, Windows pops up a message 
> warning you that you are about to run a potentially dangerous file. So it's 
> not easy to get your code executed even if it is downloaded.
>

Ciao Mark. I enjoyed this for both it's accuracy and it's acknowledgment of 
ongoing CHAGRIN. 

As it happens I am still on Timimi previous to latest on Firefox (i.e. the 
Saver & LAUNCHER) that lets you launch apps directly *(with a bit 
la-di-dah)* from TiddlyWiki. 

So, if *that* is insecurity, I'd like more of it. 

I think it insane to force web pages to be stupid when they can be really 
clever. 
TW, in particular, is really great when you also can control the computer 
from it.

Regarding the OP. The tech part of it is above my tech level, but I can't 
see any real issue that differs from the normal caveats about switching on 
a computer.

Best wishes
TT 

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[tw5] Re: Presenting Text-to-Speech v1.0.0: the flip-side of Speech-to-Text!

I don't know IF it needs to slavish follow it. Hopefully not. Merely that 
reading rate might be roughly matched to scroll rate in some way.

I'm GLAD you grasped my basic idea. Maybe there is some mileage in it?

Best wishes
TT

On Monday, 16 August 2021 at 20:19:54 UTC+2 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Interesting Idea. It took me a while, but now I think I get what you're 
> saying: you would like the plugin to read, moving line by line to show WHAT 
> it is currently reading.
>
> I'll have to look at implementation, but the idea is definitely good!
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:49:37 PM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao Flanc
>>
>> I encourage you to look at and think a bit about 
>> https://tiddlytools.com/autoscroll.html
>>
>> Eric Shulman did a *mass* of work on AUTO-SCROLLING that went into the 
>> usual desert of neglect.
>>
>> NOW I'm wondering IF, somehow YOUR reading might be somehow combined with 
>> HIS auto scrolling text of Tiddlers?
>>
>> *Mein Ziel ist süß, obwohl es vielleicht nicht dem Zeitgeist entspricht.*
>>  
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
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[tw5] Re: Presenting Text-to-Speech v1.0.0: the flip-side of Speech-to-Text!

Ciao Flanc

I encourage you to look at and think a bit about 
https://tiddlytools.com/autoscroll.html

Eric Shulman did a *mass* of work on AUTO-SCROLLING that went into the 
usual desert of neglect.

NOW I'm wondering IF, somehow YOUR reading might be somehow combined with 
HIS auto scrolling text of Tiddlers?

*Mein Ziel ist süß, obwohl es vielleicht nicht dem Zeitgeist entspricht.*
 
Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting Text-to-Speech v1.0.0: the flip-side of Speech-to-Text!

Ciao Flanc ...

What would be wrong with a normal button on the View Bar for a Tiddler for 
"Read Aloud This Tiddler" ??

I think that might be more useful than selections?

Just thoughts
TT

On Monday, 16 August 2021 at 17:03:51 UTC+2 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> This is something I have been thinking about too. I’d love to expand the 
> plug-in and make it a Right-Click menu for TW. 
>
> This menu would have a button to read selected text, highlight, bold, 
> underline, etc. If there was no selected text range, it would give the 
> option for a new tiddler, etc. 
>
> What do you think? Can you imagine anything else to put on the right click 
> menu? 
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 11:01 AM TiddlyTweeter  
> wrote:
>
>> Ciao Flanc ...
>>
>> I can see UTILITY in  reading back text. BUT I kinda think in TW it needs 
>> a bigger aim than just text as native phonic computer tools do that ALREADY.
>>
>> I DO think reading COMBINED with existing tools like ERIC SHULMAN's 
>> excellent "Tiddler Scroller" could be very neat???
>>
>> Ask if you need links if you don't know what I'm talking about.
>>
>> TT
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[tw5] Re: Presenting Text-to-Speech v1.0.0: the flip-side of Speech-to-Text!

Ciao Flanc ...

I can see UTILITY in  reading back text. BUT I kinda think in TW it needs a 
bigger aim than just text as native phonic computer tools do that ALREADY.

I DO think reading COMBINED with existing tools like ERIC SHULMAN's 
excellent "Tiddler Scroller" could be very neat???

Ask if you need links if you don't know what I'm talking about.

TT

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[tw5] Re: Presenting Text-to-Speech v1.0.0: the flip-side of Speech-to-Text!

URBAN SPACEMAN

I'm the urban spaceman baby, I've got speed,
I've got everything I need,
I'm the urban spaceman baby, I can fly,
I'm a supersonic guy.
I don't need pleasure,
I don't feel pain,
If you were to knock me down,
I'd just get up again.
I'm the urban spaceman babe and I'm making out,
I'm all about.
I wake up every morning, with a smile upon my face,
My natural exuberance, spills out all over the place.
I'm the urban spaceman, I'm intelligent and clean,
Know what I mean?
I'm the urban spaceman, as a lover second to none,
It's a lot of fun.
I never let my friends down, I never make a boob,
I'm a glossy magazine, an advert in the tube.
I'm the urban spaceman babe, but here comes the twist,
I don't exist !

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[tw5] Re: Presenting Text-to-Speech v1.0.0: the flip-side of Speech-to-Text!

Will the text for I'M THE URBAN SPACEMAN do as well spoken 
as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5bacSvHraQ ???  

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Re: [tw5] Re: Speech-to-Text v1.0.5 is here!

DUNNO! I tried looking at the Google Cloud docs for their implementation of 
the API for clues ... but I get lost as it quickly gets too technical for 
my modest brain ;-(.

*Leave it with me a few days.* I can test on Chromebook later to see if it 
works better on it.

So ... later
TT

flanc...@gmail.com wrote ... 

> It’s strange that punctuation only worked once. ... 
>

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[tw5] Re: Speech-to-Text v1.0.5 is here!

Ciao Flanc

Following your comment I tried PUNCTUATING with "comma". 
It worked ONCE. 
BUT I could not get it to work afterwards, though the cloud machine can ...

 ... recognise the difference between a comma and a coma

*Any idea why, & how to get it working reliably?*

Best wishes, TT

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[tw5] Re: Speech-to-Text v1.0.5 is here!

Flanc ...

I can confirm you can sing in the lyrics for VIP IN TRIP (Italiano [it-IT], 
Fabri Fibri) and the output is basically ...

  Federico, mi guardi su Wikipedia
  Se sotto la voce di "rapper superfighissimo" c'è la mia faccia?
  Ah, non c'è? E che faccia c'è, scusa?
  Fabri Fibra è tanta roba, come il detto
  Comandare è meglio che scopare, di chi era questa?
  Io lo so, lo diceva (come non detto) ... etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CxSDqNrxPM

It needs a bit of Layout Massage after for new lines and missing 
punctuation & a couple of accents.

TT, researcher

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Re: [tw5] Daily Task Macro - buttons no longer change color in 5.2.0-prerelease

Ciao Jeremy ...

>  Jeremy: |  do plan to update the release note with a more prominent 
> warning of the impact of this change.
>
> TT: Good! IMHO, it might also be worth mentioning that their tool of 
> concern would continue to *run fine under previous versions of TW*. For 
> working apps mostly it is NOT needed you upgrade!
>
>  

> From the core perspective we really want people to upgrade actively used 
> wikis to each new version because it’s expensive and complex to offer 
> support for old versions. For example, if we had a user on v5.1.23 who was 
> holding back updating to v5.2.0 then that user wouldn’t be able to benefit 
> from bug fixes in subsequent releases. If they reported a bug that was then 
> fixed by the core team they wouldn’t be able to get the fix without 
> updating.
>

Right. I do broadly understand that. BUT in practice it is a bit of a 
puzzle too. Older, non-complaint plugins, by authors no longer active, 
could end up ESTRANGED.  

*(FYI, in THIS thread, I do see PMario work hard for a compatible solution 
for the OP's user problematic. Maybe that is enough for these edge cases? 
I.E: a dedicated dev solves the issue functionally. What he is doing is 
solving a problem for the "absent landlord". One "good enough" to work for 
the moment.)*

IMHO, I agree you should not go backwards. It would make no sense and would 
be ineffectual and serendipitous if and when it worked. 

*However* the latest version is, crudely speaking, an "interruptus". That 
may throw some plugins (BUT I have no idea *how many*; it may just be a 
manageable handful?). But IS the "break with past" minor or serious?

SO, to be practical. I'd say it is still a bit unclear how much of an ISSUE 
all this is.

Just thoughts from a non-programmer.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Speech-to-Text v1.0.5 is here!

Simon (BTC) wrote ...

> Thank you for the advertisement, I think it's needed. I don't know how 
> many people are already using this plugin, feedback would be very welcome 
> and would also be motivation for further development.
>

One thing I commented on Telegram that I think is TRUE, that might interest 
you ...

   - *... Speech input in TW could be a game changer as the TW UI system is 
   ideal to leverage speech-to-text interface elements fully.*

Best wishes
Josiah (@TiddlyTweeter)

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[tw5] Re: Speech-to-Text v1.0.5 is here!

Simon wrote:

> ... the insertion of boilerplate text may be possible, we'll have to think 
> about it a little bit
>

Thank you! For my use cases it would be invaluable. And maybe for others 
too!

*(Side note: I am a bit disappointed you are not getting more feedback. 
FYI, I posted notes about the your tool on Twitter and to two TW Telegram 
groups to try and get a bit more feedback.)*

> ... concatenating transcript fragments could be done by a simple button. 
> Maybe we should add $:/tags/TranscriptFragment to a new Transcript Tiddler 
> so that filtering for transcript tiddlers gets easier?
>

Sounds like it could be useful to do that! 

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Speech-to-Text v1.0.5 is here!

Ciao Simon ...

> ...Speech Recognition is not perfect, it sometimes doesn't get the text 
> fully right. That's a limitation we cannot change
>

Right! For me it is not a big issue as the recognition (in the US & UK 
English I have tested most) is a zillion times *better than other systems *I 
have used in the past which were just ineffective and frustratingly 
useless. 
Basically the recognition is high. It is a lot, lot quicker than typing, 
whatever the residual (cloud intelligence) issues.

Best wishes
Josiah 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Daily Task Macro - buttons no longer change color in 5.2.0-prerelease

Ciao Jeremy

A c*ompounding factor *is that devs of older stuff are often NOT around to 
fix for compliance with new.
The issue is the users who relied on what they thought were kosher tools 
that STOP working that the author won't fix.

 Jeremy: |  do plan to update the release note with a more prominent 
warning of the impact of this change.

Good! IMHO, it might also be worth mentioning that their tool of concern 
would continue to *run fine under previous versions of TW*. 
For working apps mostly it is NOT needed you upgrade! 
(("Upgradeitis" is a serious modern disease. :-))

Best wishes
TT


On Sunday, 15 August 2021 at 13:20:54 UTC+2 jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> But it is *slightly worrying* that Simon Kilner's(?) TOGGLER macro 
> (actually a re-write of something originally on Classic?) is kinda 
> *deprecated 
> *now. And NEVER was BEFORE.
>
> The tool WORKED forever already.
>
> And your formal explanation kinda misses the point that IF it *was *working, 
> *why *is it NOT working now?
>
>
> It's the price for fixing the ability to edit a field within the same 
> tiddler, which has been a perennial problem/bug that affects many users.
>
> There's definitely a tension with breaking these macros, but there's a 
> couple of points:
>
> * More users encounter the edit-field-of-same-tiddler problem than would 
> be running some old broken macro
> * These macros were broken to begin with, and in many/most cases the 
> authors chose to ignore warnings
> * It should usually be easy to fix: wrap the macro invocation in a 
> <$tiddler> widget referencing the tiddler in question
>
> With reference to the second point, we've always tried to educate 
> developers on the proper way to write macros. Literally every time a 
> developer posts about a JS macro that they're writing, my first angle is to 
> look to see if it follows the rules, and to provide feedback if not.
>
> In many cases, of course, developers aren't very interested, and work on 
> the basis of "it works for me so why should I change it", which of course 
> in the end can be very damaging to the community unless the limitations are 
> very carefully documented.
>
> I do plan to update the release note with a more prominent warning of the 
> impact of this change.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Daily Task Macro - buttons no longer change color in 5.2.0-prerelease

Ciao Saq ...

Side comment ... 

saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> ... Just to add a bit more clarification ... this functionality should 
> have been implemented as a widget and not a macro. 

> JavaScript macros in TiddlyWiki5 are supposed to be for simple text 
> substitution and do not have any facilities for refreshing in response to 
> other changes in the wiki, the input of the macro determines the output. 
>

> ... Such a macro was never intended to be supported but has worked so far 
> because we were aggressively refreshing entire tiddlers when anything in 
> that tiddler changed. 
>

Right! YET.

But it is *slightly worrying* that Simon Kilner's(?) TOGGLER macro 
(actually a re-write of something originally on Classic?) is kinda *deprecated 
*now. And NEVER was BEFORE.

The tool WORKED forever already.

And your formal explanation kinda misses the point that IF it *was *working, 
*why *is it NOT working now?

Saq, I never want to argue with you, you are so sweet! :-) 
I just think that the *recent leap *in TiddlyWiki is kinda a BREAK with 
it's previous tolerance of non-kosher JS?

IMO, one of the great achievements of TW has been the combo of VAST 
functional expansion combined with pretty amazing backwards compatibility. 

THIS is an interesting case where it broke down.

Just thoughts
TT

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[tw5] Re: Speech-to-Text v1.0.5 is here!

Ciao Flanc & BTC ...

I agree with @Tones "Wow!".
And the tool has already changed how I use some wiki.

ONE point I'd like to quickly make whilst the iron is hot. (Which I will
fill in details for later with more precision.)

>From MY point of view, I want to get my DICTATION/TRANSCRIPTION so it is
optimally efficient.
(FYI, I'm far less concerned with controlling the wiki outwith dictation.
I'm also not that interested in whether it can "read-back" or record to an
audio file.

*First I need to get basic transcription working really well! *:)

To give simple examples of, I think, main *dictation focused needs* ...

1 - A way to verbally insert PUNCTUATION. (Without it, long dictation
produces unwieldy texts.)

2 - A way to verbally INSERT "boilerplate text".
For instance: "*Ok Wiki insert exercise intro"*. Which might(?) be text in
a Tiddler called "Exercise Intro" like "Lie on you back and rest a moment,
scanning for how your back contacts the floor. Notice which parts touch it
and which parts don't."

You get the* idea? *

*What I don't currently understand is how in dictation you'd execute a
command to INSERT "boilerplate" text into the ongoing transcription?*

3 - A way to CONCATENATE transcript fragments.
WHAT do I mean? In a test I dictated a long text in small segments. The
result being that I ended up with ...

- New Transcript
- New Transcript 1
*... through to ...*
- New Transcript 23

Manually joining those would be a fag. Maybe we need a way to click a
button to CONCATENATE* (latest last) *all those new transcript fragments?

Just a thought, and likely YOU don't need to devise that as a standard TW
macro could likely do it?
BUT I did think it a real functional need for folk interested in serious
dictation to be able to manipulate Transcripts, and this is one of the
needs?

It is also fun to play with! :-)

Thanks & best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: Speech-to-Text v1.0.5 is here!

BurningTreeC wrote:

> The Link to the GitHub project page 
> https://github.com/flancast90/Speech-To-Text-in-TW5
>
> The Link to the Demo page https://speech-to-text.finnsoftware.net/
>

Thanks BTC & Flanc for the update beta.

I will check over next few days & comment back

Best wishes, TT 

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[tw5] Re: Presenting my plugin library

2021-08-14 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Andrew

Side comment. *It is lovely to see you have a plugin library!*
I have used several of your contributions with vigor and to continuous good 
effect over what is now years.

It is very nice to see you replenished stuff that continues to be useful! 

My very best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: Feedback desired for HAL macro

I'm sorry Dave but you may have chosen the wrong name.

I know you took precautions, but that Pfizer shot may be interfering with 
your preliminary findings.

This kind of thing has cropped up before, Dave, but honestly I wouldn't 
worry about that.

HAL, x

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[tw5] Re: [Theme Tune] I do think the Morricone Clock and all that fits TW well musicallyly ...

BurningTreeC wrote:
Badum badum *sing*

I can't post the  Hardwell & Henry Fong feat BADUM here, it has naughty 
bottoms.

An Italian song that puns on it is the Sicilian BADABUM CHA CHA 
 

I can see how that when one is high on a TW RUN it could express it too, 
though Morricone has better measure.

In tune,
TT


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[tw5] Re: Better indexes through semantic modeling

Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Some of you all might be interested in this new post on my blog:
>
>
> https://controlaltbackspace.org/notes/better-indexes-through-semantic-modeling/

 It was well worth reading!

*THE GOOD*

Great example of logical working through to a satisfactory outcome.

I complimented you before that your use of *visual illustrations* helps 
earth the discussion really well!
I think they definitely help folk who are not so versed in the conceptual 
matrix you lay out.

*THE BAD*

TBH your comments about the Old Media of Books are simply inaccurate. 

The Book has had (when required) very *good *indexing where authors chose 
to do it.
Think about the richness of the indices of Roget's Thesaurus. 
Think about all those Biblical things that Dave Gifford and several million 
other Christians sweat over. 
Their  CONCORDANCES has been a venerable partner in print works for a very 
long time.

*THE UGLY*

Nothing. Your basic thing is additive.

The Good the Bad & The Ugly 

Best wishes 
TT

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[tw5] [Theme Tune] I do think the Morricone Clock and all that fits TW well musicallyly ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tLbBV5RtqQ

Originally from the Sergio Leone, the genius Italian auteur's, FOR A FEW 
DOLLARS MORE, Morricone's music has spawned outside it as a general 
expression of the Epic revealing in the Ordinary. It kinda gets that in TW 
you start humble and eventually find, pretty much, full control. That music 
is about that too.

Just saying,
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

BurningTreeC wrote:

> @TiddlyTweeter, I have changed the default so that it uses the websites *lang 
> *attribute or the system-default language
>

Thanks for such a swift reply! 
I'll test and report back if it don't work. I'm pretty sure it will since 
you know what you doing, unlike me :-)

 Best, TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

BurningTreeC wrote:

> Hi @TiddlyTweeter, we're working on making ANY API-supported language work.
> We could imagine adding a tiddler $:/config/speech-to-text/language and 
> users can set the text of that tiddler to en-US, de-DE or whatever they like
>

Sounds great!

*Just FYI. A side point. *Whatever is going on in the background with the 
API still slightly confuses me. Particularly on what version of the 
(variant) language gets returned in text. For instance I'm testing on 
Chrome and Windows tablets. Even though the default is *en-US* the 
spellings that come back are IN *en-GB* (e.g. colour, not color; and 
honour, not honor). I have NO idea where in the chain of things that 
happens. It may be because I set machine & browser defaults to British 
English and that interacts with the recognition somewhere?? 
I should emphasise this it NOT a problem for me since I dominantly write in 
British English. But it is a bit confusing! :-)

Thank you!
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Strikke…, yes. Any language shown on the demo is theoretically be 
> supported by the plug-in. I’m not sure if there is a Danish translation of 
> TW. With my new idea to just use the TW language, there may be some 
> limitation. 
>

Ciao Flanc ...

After using this a few days I do think that being able to switch via *"OK 
Wiki" to ANY API supported language would make good sense*.

I don't see the need to limit the available recognitions to only languages 
that TW has editions for. 
WHY? Because it is often the case we use software in English UIs to do 
things in other languages. 
It is not an impediment to DICTATING to TRANSCRIPTION since the process is 
self-contained and has no UI implications.

FYI, if you limit language switch it to ONLY the TW Language Editions I 
think you will get endless requests to add more! 

For instance, I could, as I mentioned before, do with access to SLOVENIAN 
recognition. :-)

An opinion. 
Best wishes 
TT 

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[tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

flanc...@gmail.com wrote (my emphasis):

> New idea I would like to share: Because of spoken commands in languages 
> other than English to
> change the language again, I believe a better method would be to allow the 
> plugin to get the current language of TW, and auto-default to that setting. 
> When the wiki language was changed, the plugin could also change.
>
> With this idea, English custom spoken commands would still be available.
>
> Let me know what you think!
>

Ciao Flanc...

I think that is a great approach!

Best
TT 

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[tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

2021-08-11 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Flanc... & BTC

*SIDE NOTES ON API BEHAVIOR*

This does not effect anything YOU two are doing. Merely observations on the
"behaviours" of the recognitions.
But I do think it is useful to understand the end-product the API issues
forth.

*1 -* There are occasional QUIRKY things that happen that have no clear
rationale. For instance if you dictate "cat dog mouse horse" you get back
... "cat dog Mouse horse". Maybe mice, or mouses, actually rule the
universe as "The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy" contended"?

*2 -* Sometimes words that are not understood by the api are simply
DISCARDED. (For instance in Italian mode most dictated English words are
just ignored).

*3 - * Sometimes words that are not understood by the api are capitalized
as Proper Names. There is some very clever thing going on inside the recog.
machine that decides when to do this.

None of these minor points change anything other than the need to be
slightly aware the API does stuff and awareness of that is helpful I think.

I'll may add more comments about these behaviors after I used it more, if
there any other obvious ones.

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: You ask, I Deliver: Language switching via Oral Command and a Promise of custom commands to come in the Text-to-Speech Plugin!

2021-08-11 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao flanc ... I have lots to comment as this tool is fantastic! I'll start 
with a few general points ...

*LANGUAGE CHANGE ISSUES *

*1 - *BTC already clarified "one needs to say: *Command change language to 
<>*" and that actually, at the moment, "dutch" starts 
"german." :-)

*2 -* *An issue is that once you changed language you can't change it 
back!  *Yes? WHY? Because, at the moment "command" gets translated from 
English. What do I mean? Well I say "Command change language to Italian". 
Works perfectly! BUT, once in Italian, saying "Command change language to 
English" does not work. The only way to get English back at the moment is 
to reload? Yes? 

FYI, in terms of my specific end-use I do need to frequently switch 
languages several times a day.

*3 - *The list of potential languages available under the API I don't know. 
I really would appreciate to have SLOVENIAN (I *think *the code is: sl-SI 
(that is s followed by "l" (as in "eel") and S followed by capital "I" 
(me))) . Slovenian will be useful for some end-users here in North-East 
Italy whom I work with. Just a request.

Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting... Speech-to-Text plugin for TW5!!!

flanc ...

I'm NOT a dev. 

The thing you done already is brilliant!!
In practice PUNCTUATION matters to me to notch it up, After that, that I 
can be recognized in the Italian LANGUAGE.
Anything more is more icing on the cake. 

NB: Having it in editor is low priority for me. 
It is Good Enough Already transcribing the lingo per me (for me) to a 
simple Tiddler.

Just a comment.

Best wishes
TT

On Tuesday, 10 August 2021 at 14:57:36 UTC+2 flanc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks everyone for the great advice! 
>
> My main takeaways for what I will start working on are commands: 
> punctuation, language switch, etc. 
>
> As this is on the side of the things I develop for the plug-in, I will set 
> to work immediately reading documentation and example code. 
>
> To get more technical,  I believe I can just attach a function to check 
> the last word of the transcription, and if it matches a set array of word/s 
> it will the execute a command. 
>
> BTC and I continue to talk on the Issues page of the repo, if any other 
> devs would like to chime in with other ideas/implementation, feel free to 
> chime in there. 
>
> Thanks again! 
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 6:32 AM R²  wrote:
>
>> Hi all and thanks Flank & BTC for this extremely promising plugin!
>>
>> Another few ideas and comments:
>>
>> (1) It would be nice to have a record button directly in the editor and 
>> not only have to rely on creating new transcript tiddlers.
>> (2) Automatic punctuation should be easy to switch on and off as per 
>> https://cloud.google.com/speech-to-text/docs/automatic-punctuation.
>> (3) There are quite a number of languages and accents available on the 
>> Web Speech API demo. It would be nice to be able to set the languageCode 
>> parameter manually (fully list at: 
>> https://cloud.google.com/speech-to-text/docs/languages). When this 
>> happens, could you make sure that custom record buttons can be added using 
>> only wikitext to allow multilingual users to have several record buttons 
>> based on their own needs?
>> (5) It could be worth mentioning in the readme that Google's Web Speech 
>> API demo at https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/demos/speech.html is a 
>> great way of checking for browser compatibility. I haven't found anything 
>> that works on my Linux system by the way. Any ideas as Firefox is 
>> unsupported and even Chromium strangely doesn't seem to be able to run the 
>> API on my system (V. 91.0.4472.114 on Linux Mint)? On my phone, Quinoid 
>> V1.0 doesn't work either :(
>> (6) Bouncing on TT's idea of using speech-driven commands while 
>> recording, this would make terrific sense not only for punctuation, but 
>> also to enunciate proper nouns for instance, or to switch languages on the 
>> fly within a given recording or prior to a recording ("switchtoItalian"…).
>> (7) I'm still running into problems regarding the short hearing span on 
>> the plugin's TW demo despite the version being seemingly v. 1.0.3.
>>
>> Thanks :)
>> R²
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Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting... Speech-to-Text plugin for TW5!!!

Ciao Flank & BTC

Underlying my previous on ITALIANO issues ... 

It would be great if I could sing in the lyrics for Adriano Celantano's MA 
PERKE  ... starting ...

  Su confessa amore mio
  Io non sono più il solo, l'unico
  Hai nascosto nel cuore tuo
  Una storia irrinunciabile
  Io non sono più il tuo pensiero
  Non sono più il tuo amore vero
  Sono il dolce con fondo amaro
  Che non mangi più ...

*Confesso di richieste irragionevoli.*
TT


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Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting... Speech-to-Text plugin for TW5!!!

Ciao Again BTC & Flank

My one remaining saga is LANGUAGE.

I just can't figure out how to switch from  English to ITALIAN.
I'm UNCLEAR if that is an OS, BROWSER or PLUGIN thing?
I could not get it to work.
I did look at the docs for the API but its too technical for my brain to 
work it out.

SO: *Quick question, will we be able to change Language Recognized at will 
in a full-on version?*

Just wondering. 
Marvelous stuff, a Wondrous Machine. 


Best wishes
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting... Speech-to-Text plugin for TW5!!!

Ciao Flank & BTC

These issues are maybe *more API than the plugin?* Dunno. But  I thought  I 
should ask about them ...

1 - PUNCTUATION. Say you dictating a long diatribe is there A WAY TO INSERT 
PUNCTUATION? Like* "punc-stop, punc-comma, punc-colon, punc-question"*

2 - NEW SENTENCE.   Say you dictating a long diatribe is there A WAY TO 
CAPITALIZE THE FIRST LETTER AFTER A STOP? (see 1, above)

*Minor points, but I think relevant.*

GREAT work by you two! This will change my TW usage significantly. 
Kudos!

TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting... Speech-to-Text plugin for TW5!!!

BTC & Flanc

Very timely! 

IT's ALIVE!   

FYI I been messing around with "speech-to-text" forever, and always ended 
up Waiting For The Miracle To Come 
. 

The miracle is here, now, speech recognition that works. 
That API does the biz.
Your implementation  is neat!

ONE thing is "vocabulary". My acid test on speech recog. is Jabberwocky 
 . The system does well with 
it ...* I get back from  it ...*

 >> ... twas brillig and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe 
all mimsy were the borogoves and The Mome Raths outgrabe

*That is fantastically accurate!*

I'll comment more a bit later, after some more usage.

Very best
TT

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[tw5] Re: Better indexes through semantic modeling

Ciao Soren

VERY interesting write-up of a common practical puzzle with a well 
conceived SOLUTION.

I'm gonna look at it more and comment in more detail later.

ONE thing worth mentioning *already* is that TiddlyWiki, I think, is very 
good for being able to DEMONSTRATE STRATAGEMS on linkages. 
It's open architecture, that does NOT prior commit any user to any specific 
theory of linkage (i.e. any theory of knowledge), makes it brilliant to 
illustrate clearly otherwise obscure concepts of informational page design. 

Later 'gator
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting... Speech-to-Text plugin for TW5!!!

BurningTreeC wrote...

>
> Meanhwhile, I've released v1.0.2 of the plugin (now that we've already 
> released v1.0.0 we stick with the versioning)
> It now does no more stop listening after the first result ... it continues 
> listening until either a long timeout has passed or the record button is 
> clicked again
>

Brilliant! Tx BTC. I was about to complain that WAS the only major 
*offput. *
Changing that to continuous until long time-out is really ACE!

I will re-test with this new version and comment more later.

HATS OFF to both you and le Flanc.

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: The synergy of TiddlyWiki + { ??? }

2021-08-05 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao cj.v...,

*Very nice post. *Couple of things ... 

First, questions ...

*-- Am I right that you using Zim via Linux on Chromebook?*
*-- I also wondered a bit about if we could create for  TW easier import 
gizmos to de-Zim Markdown to full WikiText? (Just a thought!)*

Second, comments on the AIM ...

*-- I was kinda wondering what the optimal COMMON cross-browser and 
cross-platform way might be nowadays?*
*-- What I find INTERESTING is that, longer-term, we tend to gravitate to 
what we (a) know reasonably well [i.e. produces least cock-ups on the 
practicals]; and (b) the ENVIRONS of work matter [e.g. Chromebooks are 
really neat in that getting the cat-to-fly either works or it doesn't. At 
least you know where you are with it.]*

*-- Just FYI I tend to write/copy-paste notes into any text file and then 
process that for TW import prep using Powershell scripts with a lot of 
Regex.*
*This reflects my background as they about the only two things I'd say I'm 
good at.*

Signing off from the far side,
TT x 
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 05:05:23 UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> *A "Note Taking in 2021 (article & reflection) 
> " 
> offshoot ...*
>
> I've been really thinking about it a lot lately: although TiddlyWiki is my 
> goto tool for serious information/knowledge/content management, it isn't my 
> preferred tool when I do want to quickly want to write something down for 
> later TiddlyWiki-ing.
>
> So I was thinking, whatever tool(s) I prefer use in particular 
> circumstance(s), I'd want some real synergy (?) between TiddlyWiki and the 
> other tool(s): i.e. they compliment each other, and it is easy for me to 
> copy content from one to the other, with TiddlyWiki being the central tool 
> for that serious information/knowledge/content management.
>
> Although gmail, google calendar and google keep tend to be my goto tools 
> for quick jotting things down, I've been looking into the business of 
> quickly writing more elaborate content on my chromebook (my goto machine 
> for digital whatever, since I don't have a tablet and hate using 
> smartphones unless I really have to.)
>
> So after a lot of looking around (I still have some more experimenting to 
> do), I think my star candidate is Zim Wiki for quick writing of things for 
> later inclusion in a TiddlyWiki for some serious work.
>
>- To me, a wiki is not a wiki unless it can do transclusion, so a 
>consider Zim Wiki "wiki-esque"
>- So TiddlyWiki is the real workhorse because of transclusion and the 
>muscle of filtering
>
> Early-going, I'm finding TiddlyWiki + Zim pretty sweet with "markdown" 
> being the cross-copying glue between the two.
>
> Some notes about Zim: 
>
>- really fast *(because not all content is loaded up in memory all at 
>   once ?)*
>  - *every page saved in its own text file*
>   - wysiwyg is nice
>   - has some nice plugins
>  - Might be nice for some things, but I'm mostly focused on just 
>  content that fits "markdown"
>   - preference option: default format for copying text to the 
>   clipboard
>  - text, Wiki (Zim's wikitext), *Markdown*, RST
>   - has some nice plugins
>   - might be nice for some things, but I'm mostly focused on just 
>  content that fits "markdown"
>  
> To copy content from Zim to TiddlyWiki, I'm pretty sure "markdown" is the 
> key to happiness:
>
>- Zim's copy page text to clipboard in markdown format
>- the TiddlyWiki Markdown plugin 
>, so that 
>markdown text can be pasted into a "text/x-markdown" tiddler
>
> This is going to be one evolving story about "The synergy of TiddlyWiki + 
> { ??? }.  Maybe a video at some point.
>
> Do you have a TiddlyWiki "synergy" story to share?
>

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[tw5] Re: Picture based tiddlers

2021-07-31 Thread TiddlyTweeter

VERY interesting post.

TW is well suited for it with a bit of tweaking ... 

Much of the issue is how you have your OS setup??? I do screen capture vis 
OS on Android, Chromebook and PC desktop no problem.
And then import.

WHERE TW gets interesting to me in the OP is engaging PEN input into the 
editor or into image tiddlers after capture.
ALL I do is scale the box full screen --- as for pen accuracy, you need a 
decent sized canvas.

Ask if you want particulars.

Best
TT 

On Saturday, 31 July 2021 at 11:58:05 UTC+2 e.arnol...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I'm interested in using TW5 for my daily note taking. I very often takes 
> notes with images. Sometimes the image is the only note.
> Picture taking should be well integrated.
>
> Is TW5 well suited for this task?
> Are there plugins for quick picture taking?
> How well would performance be with several hundred pictures?
>
> Thank you for your answer in advance.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Shiraz list-content (experimental)

2021-07-31 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Mark wrote:

> I've  put ... [the] Shiraz framework to good use to develop a *visual 
> map of library resources* for new students: 
> https://www.pacifica.edu/wp-content/content/lib/searchkit/dja.html
>

Mark, a side note ... 

Whoa! That is seriously useful! And nicely designed.

FWIW, I have had a long term interest in  Jungian analysis and Jung's 
appropriations of Alchemical Symbolism to better map the transmogrification 
of the "Self".

Your tool, very quickly, let me find important resources relevant to that 
interest.

In short, a great research tool!

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: [Avenues] My take on TiddlyWiki ...

2021-07-31 Thread TiddlyTweeter

TW Tones wrote:

> I agree  *TW "Editions" are NOT "Applications" * but TiddlyWiki can be an 
> application, website, smart document, personal software and anything else 
> that can be built on top of these ...
>
> Perhaps we can discuss how a tiddlywiki may comply with the concept of 
> "Application", I would assume users need not know about tiddlywiki, but it 
> behaves like an app, also like a website, or like a document.
>

Right. I agree that the terminology matters to describing which particular 
thing one is delineating.

FYI *I used the term  "APPLICATION" in the general functional sense* (a 
thing that does something for a defined purpose/objective). 
In my mind was that that includes pages/docs too. 
But, of course, there is the issue that on a computer an "APP" is 
dominantly thought of as a bit of software.

Overall I do think teasing out the lingo to more precisely identify 
TiddlyWiki's that are *dedicated to specific FUNCTIONAL OBJECTIVES *could 
well be worth it.

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: [Avenues] My take on TiddlyWiki ...

2021-07-28 Thread TiddlyTweeter

 TW Tones wrote:

> ... Here is an unfinished blog site design of mine 
> https://anthonymuscio.github.io/TWBlog.html, keep in mind that the 
> infinite scroll similar to the story is a common design approach for blogs 
> or news pages.

Ciao TW Tones

Thanks for posting that. It IS interesting, though not really an APP of the 
type I meant, though an interesting take on a TW blog.
Maybe the way *"forward"  *here is more examples? So it is good to have at 
least one.

  * There is more to tease out, I now think, than when I started this 
thread.*

In particular I think the "TW Editions" thing actually leaves some 
ambiguity. 
I think most TW "Editions" are NOT "Applications" for any specific 
end-game, rather they are "Developer's Templates" provided in  order to 
assist the creation of the *latter from the former. *

Just comments, but I am thankful for the engagement in the issue from every 
writer here!!

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: [Avenues] My take on TiddlyWiki ...

2021-07-28 Thread TiddlyTweeter

ludwa6 / w wrote...

> ... Story River *as implemented by TW*  (not the only implementation 
> around, NB) is a foreign concept to most inveterate web users -which does 
> bring some interesting possibilities, don't get me wrong, but still: 
> anything that so stretches the visual language of story-telling on the web 
> has got a serious usability obstacle to overcome.  /w
>

 Right, *but Shirley, *that can be addressed by the dev for the  specific 
APP?  :-) 

In fun, TT

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[tw5] Re: [Avenues] My take on TiddlyWiki ...

2021-07-28 Thread TiddlyTweeter

cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> A stereotypical blog with entries ordered and always in the same order, 
> that I like.  Every blog entry stays in the same place respective to other 
> entries.  Things haven't moved on me.  So there is cognitive stability.  
> Things are where I expect them to be.  Story river can get cognitively 
> unstable pretty quickly, easy to get lost.
>
> Sure, the story river is very useful to those who know the story river 
> (are used to it), but a bit more challenging for those who are used to a 
> stable-looking stereotypical blog, but not so much used to the dynamism of 
> a story river.  Easy to get lost after a while.
>

Ciao cj.v ...

Great reply. To the point. But in terms of the OP I would imagine that the 
"STORY RIVER" could be under* strict control* for many APPS?
I like your post because it's getting into the PARTICULARS of what an 
end-app might need a dev. to ensure is in place.

Maybe this fine detail is outwith this thread? 
But I'd certainly say the issue is central: i.e. WHICH normal functions in 
TW do you need to control MOST for simpler presentation within the current 
remit of the normative visual caché of the net in general?

Best, TT

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[tw5] Re: [Avenues] My take on TiddlyWiki ...

2021-07-27 Thread TiddlyTweeter

TW Tones wrote:

> ... I do think a primary use of tiddlywiki is for private bespoke "free 
> wikis" and unpublished tiddlywiki's which evolve to a users needs, thus 
> perhaps they never mature to a finished product. That is there may be many 
> more times the number of "free" wikis than those suitable to be published.
>

I guess that is right! Actually, further than that, it is indicatively good 
of serious usage by folk who can feel good wetting their whistles  on code 
and relish perennial openness, revision and evolutions. All to the good.

Yet, I was kinda suggesting there is, I think, likely a large range of 
audience types, somewhat different, who thrive best on complete apps. 
Who they are and how many there I don't think we know at the moment.

I think it is an interesting issue. In brief, my question kinda edges 
towards: What happens, making apps that only document a de-limited range 
functions to better MATCH common (delimited) need spaces tightly?

That is why I flagged the thread "Avenues." It kinda captures that idea.

Best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: [Avenues] My take on TiddlyWiki ...

2021-07-25 Thread TiddlyTweeter

G'day mate,

TW Tones wrote:

> *"The fundamentally open, quinoidal, structure of TW, fundamentally allows 
> ANY system you pine after."  - **yes I think I agree*
> *"Though it is radically agnostic about the importance of mother's 
> linkages." **- perhaps tiddlywiki is but is the universe?*
>

Since the UNIVERSE is everything already, obviously it is Finally 
Agnostic.  It has no alternative. 

*"TBH I think it is gonna be easier to show that through OUTPUT wiki, 
> rather than "in-process" approximations." **- what? why?*
>

Yeah. It is not so clear what I meant yet. 
What I mean is that, we need a SHOWCASE of APPLICATION ORIENTED wiki* to 
get TW much  more widely used. *
What I mean is stuff like ...

   The ANTHROPOLOGIST'S Wiki
   The POET'S Wiki
   The SCREENWRITER'S Wiki
   etc x 12

My point was really about DOCS in those are just about how to use THEM and 
nothing more. 
There should be NO need for an end user of a TW APPLICATION ever to have to 
deal with what is "under the hood" which is what is central normally in our 
discussions here. 

I'm talking more promotion of specific APPS. 
I'm sure it is coming. But we nowhere near it yet.

Just KNOWING what TW end applications exist live on the web is still a zero 
sum game.
Basically we just don't know.

Enjoy your avro,
TT x

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[tw5] [Karoake] Has anyone made a Karoake TW yet?

2021-07-24 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Vorrei che aggiungiamo tutti i cantanti del mondo.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbfbtOLYng

Era geniale,.

I'd love to have a live sing-along.
TT

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[tw5] Re: What other tools compliment TiddlyWiki well? [discussion]

2021-07-24 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Ciao Si

It is a VERY interesting thread!

Point being that a solo wiki needs ways to garner the richness of the 
uberwelt.

BUT I think it COULD, also, be interesting to turn the issue on its head.

FOR an instance: What internet  things could TW SERVE? 

On Android then QUINOID is a pretty good link collector.
As, also, on the other platforms done well by TIDDLYCLIP.

*My point. *Does the adjudicative have to be OTHER than TW? 
OR can we replete ourselves already?
I see NO reason NOT to save ourselves universally in our own format already 
via TW.

Turning the issue around simply becomes ... 
WHICH UNIVERSAL, CROSS-PLATFORM, NET-WORKABLE TW saver is best?

   *Google Keep?  Forget it!*
*  Where is TIDDLER KEEPER?*

Just comments
TT

On Wednesday, 21 July 2021 at 21:10:04 UTC+2 Si wrote:

> This question was prompted by a discussion over in the thread on 
> incremental note-taking 
> .
>
> In my opinion a major weakness of TiddlyWiki is that it is not well suited 
> to quickly capturing information on the fly with minimal friction.
>

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[tw5] Re: Getting relink to prevent obsolete permalinks

Right!

But there is SERIOUS IMPLICIT KNOWLEDGE at work knowing that Mumbai IS 
Bombay

Do these transforms inform the user of what is going on an why?

Just asking for a friend,
TT

On Friday, 23 July 2021 at 15:03:34 UTC+2 PMario wrote:

> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 5:14:00 PM UTC+2 springer wrote:
>
> And as much as you may "choose my tiddler names well enough when needed so 
>> they need not change in future",  renaming a tiddler is not always a matter 
>> of realizing that you failed to have foresight the first time around. (My 
>> reason for invoking the Bombay to Mumbai change -- 
>>
>
> I think changes like this are easy to handle, without breaking "old" 
> permalinks. There is no problem if you change Bombay to Mumbai and also 
> change all links to be Mumbai. ... As long as you keep 1 tiddler named 
> Bombay. It could contain eg:
>
> Now [[Mumbai]] since 1995. 
>
> If you have a look at wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai  
> ... The first thing it says is: "Bombay redirects here"
>
> just a thought. 
> -mario
>

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[tw5] [Avenues] My take on TiddlyWiki ...

The fundamentally open, quinoidal, structure of TW, fundamentally allows 
ANY system you pine after. Though it is radically agnostic about the 
importance of mother's linkages.

TBH I think it is gonna be easier to show that through OUTPUT wiki, rather 
than "in-process" approximations.

Just a comment
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams - hierarchy-preserving flattening in wikitext

Ciao Mark S.

I kinda agree. Well, broadly, I agree, and waver too ...

It is interesting to me as the USE CASES seem to me to form the real 
INTERREGNUM here.

What do you need to SHOW FOR the use case?

Just a probe
TT

On Friday, 23 July 2021 at 05:23:42 UTC+2 Mark S. wrote:

> At the moment, I just want to know what you mean by search steps, since I 
> don't see that specifically documented.
>
> My overall thought about searches was that we need to see the text of 
> tiddlers, or maybe the first 100 characters of text, rather than the titles 
> since the titles are nearly meaningless.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 7:29:25 PM UTC-7 fred@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @walt released 0.0.3-beta https://fastfreddy.gitlab.io/streams-fusion/   not 
>> thoroughly tested, be very careful and clone/backup extensively
>>
>>
>> @mark s : yes, my setup is heavily customized; not a good solution for 
>> you if you're not super comfortable tinkering; boils down to installing the 
>> command palette and tweaking the search steps. The shortcut key handling 
>> makes it interesting. What specifically are you looking to do?
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 19:47, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you explain search steps? How they're activated, etc. It looks like 
>>> they have been very customized for your setup.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 3:06:42 PM UTC-7 fred@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @Mark S; I particularly like the command palette 
  plugin for searches.

 Please note it is not designed for Streams, but can be made to work 
 quite nicely with it because the search steps are highly configurable 
 through the  $:/plugins/souk21/commandpalette/CommandPaletteSearchSteps 
 tiddler. Here's an example of what I use at work; you'll notice I give 
 precedence to title matches (they'll be at the top of the results) and use 
 the get-streams-root[] filter extensively. The command palette adds a 
 category (hint) in the search results which I find helpful.

 {
 "steps": [
   {"filter": 
 "[!is[system]tag[todo]search:title:literal[]get-stream-root[]!tag[Journal]!tag[Meeting]!tag[done]]",
  "hint": "todo (titles)", "caret": "42"},
   {"filter": 
 "[!is[system]tag[todo]search:text:literal[]get-stream-root[]!tag[Journal]!tag[Meeting]!tag[done]]",
  "hint": "todo (text)", "caret": "41"},
   {"filter": 
 "[!is[system]tag[Meeting]search:title:literal[]!sort[title]]", "hint": 
 "meetings (main)", "caret": "45"},
   {"filter": 
 "[!is[system]tag[Journal]search:title:literal[]!sort[title]first[2]]", 
 "hint": "meetings (titles)", "caret": "45"},
   {"filter": 
 "[!is[system]tag[Journal]search:text:literal[]get-stream-root[]!sort[title]]",
  "hint": "meetings (text)", "caret": "44"},
   {"filter": 
 "[!is[system]search:title:literal[]get-stream-root[]]", "hint": "others 
 (titles)", "caret": "33"},
   {"filter": 
 "[!is[system]search:text:literal[]get-stream-root[]]", "hint": "others 
 (text)", "caret": "32"},
   {"filter": 
 "[!is[system]tag[todo]search:literal[]get-stream-root[]!tag[Journal]!tag[Meeting]tag[done]]",
  "hint": "completed", "caret": "42"},
   {"filter": "[!is[system]search::literal[]get-stream-root[]]", 
 "hint": "all", "caret": "28"}
 ]
 }

 I have configured the command palette to fire on a single key shortcut (
 /). Whilst TiddlyWiki offers keyboard shortcuts, they fire everywhere 
 out of the box, even within text boxes (not ideal for single key 
 shortcuts!), so my setup relies on the mousetrap 

 plugin: hitting / in a text box does not fire the command palette. I 
 am working on a tweak that will have a richer set of search steps 
 configuration, so that I can invoke the command palette to search for 
 tasks 
 (I use projectify ) using shift+/ and to 
 search in other tiddlers when I hit /.

 In other parts of the UI, I have essentially inserted the subfilter "
 get-stream-root[]" everywhere, so that the recent tab, the sidebar 
 searches, etc only show root tiddlers in the results. 

 I think one of the other members in the community here configured the 
 names of node tiddlers to be prefixed with $:/ which makes them system 
 tiddlers, which effectively hides them from most searches... another 
 option 
 worth considering and simpler to setup.

 On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 15:02, Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

>
> Is there a search tool or plugin that works with streams? Streams is 
>> neat to take notes with, but searching is problematic since the default

[tw5] Re: Seeking general feedback on Grok TiddlyWiki

Ciao Soren,

I think I GROK Grok TiddlyWiki quite well  :-)

I mentioned elsewhere that I think it might be quite useful if you provided 
some kind of downloadable macro with an embedded SVG of your site logo for 
dev. users to use to cross-link to it.

WHY? Because it is a great resource that deserves a unique "BADGE LINK" any 
dev could use to refer to specific Tiddlers in your wiki.
I also think TW.com deserves the same, but very little else.

Learning tools need INGRESS POINTS that are clearly flaggable from other 
web pages to get the inter-connections good learning needs.

Just a somewhat opinionated take! :-)
Not far off the truth, I think.

Good luck to Grok and all who sail with her!

TT

On Wednesday, 21 July 2021 at 15:56:56 UTC+2 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I know quite a few people on here have been reading at least some of my 
> book Grok TiddlyWiki . While I've 
> gotten quite a bit of specific feedback submitted through the built-in 
> feedback mechanism, I've been coming up short on overall impressions and 
> significance beyond "thanks so much for this book." If you've looked at the 
> book and you have a few moments, I'd love to know what you think. For 
> instance:
>
>- Is the book organized effectively?
>- What parts have you read/worked through?
>- How have you been using the book? Have you done some of the 
>exercises and flashcards? Do they work? (I'm particularly interested in 
>this question because I'd love to iterate and build more resources like 
>this one in the future.)
>- How have your TiddlyWiki skills improved, if they have?
>- Any other thoughts?
>
> If there's anything you don't want to share publicly, feel free to email 
> it directly to me at contact (at) sorenbjornstad.com.
>
> Much appreciated,
> Soren
>

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[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

TW Tones wrote:

> Have you tried post it notes in software on the desktop? even google keep 
> starts you down a path which eventually overwhelms you.. You quickly 
> discover why they (post it notes) are the wrong tool in many cases, and its 
> not because they are hand written or on paper. 
>

YOU are always a great *sport! *(Australian-English meaning intended, like 
"mateship".)

Yeah, I tested everything software & net from a to z. 
*On paper *post-it notes are much more flexible. 
That topped any computer attempt to be them. 
To me they are just sticky paper.

*A Glue-Stick will dance me to the end of paper (<-- A song)*

To be honest the Post-It (3M) of putative Fry 1974 vintage 
 kinda anticipated "chunkology" 
in nascent webology: mainly fostering the option to slice to discrete data 
small for the necessary going from paper to "data chunks." 

> If I were seeking the ultimate truth I would not use them. But it is all 
> about how we each operate and think. If you can use them effectively do it. 
> But me thinks they a very flawed.
>

RIGHT. *That actually was my point. *We STILL need some kind of OVERVIEW of 
real stratagems to begin typing into (entrusting) a computer ... *Will this 
gizmo do my need?*

Everything is flawed. Just so long as the light (eventually) gets through 
... A Crack In Everything ...  

Very best wishes
TT

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[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

ludwa6 wrote:

> Still: i find it hard to forbear from changing names to reflect changes in 
> my thinking and/or popular usage.  A constant struggle!
>

The whole PERMALINK thing is a bit of a nightmare.

A factor is "social evolution". The first book was printed in 1454 
.

The ISBN, an unique identification system for publicly printed books was 
created 
in 1966 .
Only 512 years to get that working well!

SO-CALLED "Permalinks", I think come in many different guises. 
And it IS confusing knowing what is what.

At on point there came, and now very much waning, the BLOGGER movement went 
for permanence. 
They added also copious TRACKBACKS, often mediated vis RSS and PINGS.
The thing was they evaporated, despite the intent.
>From deaths, neglect, and server non-persistence.

For longevity on permalinks there are SOME sites like IMBD that have done 
well. They assign unique UIDs to every newly RELEASED MOVIE. (Example: the 
short  Tiddlywink, which is "tt3337220" 
 in IMDB ).

The Internet Archive  is very interesting. A kind of  
"Preservation Society For The Lost" .

Regarding YOUR posts! I do think using, in TW, since we CAN do it, a UID as 
the initiation point, rather than server (or internal TW) REDIRECTS, is a 
pretty neat solution.

Just rambling thoughts
TT

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[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> For fleeting notes, I'm thinking of more often making use of my 
> Chromebook's dictation accessibility feature so that I can dictate my notes 
> in Keep when it makes sense to have individual notes, or maybe just add 
> notes in a Google Doc so that I don't have to futz around with creating a 
> new "whatever" for each note.
>

 Right! 
What is interesting to ME is getting to the point that whatever platform 
I'm on, and wherever I be, I want ONE system that just works for FLEETING 
NOTES that will SYNCHRO to the other, other systems I'm on. 
A big advantage of a real Universal Bucket is that you have (1) one easily 
remembered method to get to it; and, (2) it becomes possible to communicate 
how to use it to newbie idiots (like me).  

At base all one needs is something BETTER than PAPER. 
It is interesting that STILL using the net is more of a tribulation than a 
simple trial.
Paper it is not!

Just thoughts
TT

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[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)

Ciao TW Tones

Tones wrote:

> Yes, Dictate directly into tiddlywiki.com from my android works after 
> hitting the mic icon on the keyboards. 

Right! 

I think you will find recent Android/Chrome very good at both VOICE and 
WRITING directly into TW.
It is actually becoming usable. At last!
Windows seems a Tad behind.

Personally I use WRITING via pen a lot now in a Chromebook directly into TW.

Side note
TT 

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[tw5] Re: Incremental note-taking (article/discussion)