[tw5] Re: Presenting: SheetsIN - Import from Google Sheets into TW

[coda coder]

Huge is not a big enough word for how enormously fantastic this achievement 
is. (Sorry I got busy elsewhere, Mat/Mark, but customer/Covid needs were 
pressing).

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 3:17:21 AM UTC-6 Mat wrote:

> There is (1) Good news (2) HUGE news and (3) Bad news!
>
> The good news is: Mark and I have made a TW plugin to import from Google 
> Sheets. *Every row becomes a tiddler*!
>
> The HUGE news is that this is the *linchpin*, the *kingpin*, *the **Rosetta 
> Stone*, to turn pretty much anything into tiddlers because Google Sheets 
> can be made to import data from *other *services such as your Google 
> Drive, your Gmail, Twitter, Facebook, your GCalendar, stock charts and 
> hundreds (thousands?) of more services 
> . Whatever you want 
> as tiddlers, you can get it. OK, almost.
>
> The bad news is: The SheetsIN plugin is only HALF of the solution! We need 
> a SheetsOUT plugin to get tiddlers *into* Google Sheets. If this were 
> possible, Google Sheets can then be used as a full backend for TW... *and 
> *tiddlers can be sent as email, tweets, calendar events, etc etc. 
>
> So, if you have knowledge about how to "export to Google Sheets" do please 
> shout out.
>
> Thus, *Mark S *and I proudly give thee the first half of the *TiddlyGoo 
> suite* ;-)
>
>- Demo and download site 
>- Github repository for dev  
>
> We also hope people will share their Google scripts 
>  (!) that connect Google 
> Sheets with other services. This is only indirectly a TW matter but will 
> benefit us all. I will soon share a script that imports file data from 
> Drive to Sheets so you easily show images stored on Drive in TW.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: empty.html should start with "fluid-fixed" layout

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Hi Mario, can you please explain, why? And If one disagrees, how does one 
express dissent?

p.s. your "backlink" on github is broken.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:08:16 AM UTC-6 PMario wrote:

> Hi folks, 
>
> I did just create a PR, that sets the default layout of empty.html to: 
> fluid-fixed
>
> See: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/5492
>
> Please vote +1 if you think it should be merged!
>
> have fun!
> mario
>

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Re: [tw5] Setting to define additional system prefix?

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> I tend to work in perpetual experimentation mode 

Guilty grin.

TW = Infinite Tinkerability

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[tw5] Re: Production wiki - how to

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I should have added at the end, "I think". I'm a seasoned TW hacker, not an 
expert.

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 2:46:58 PM UTC-6 coda coder wrote:

> Your split/join works on spaces. With a tiddler called MyTiddler, there 
> aren't any spaces. 
>
> The "one-liner" {{{ [...] }}} is just my preference - safe to ignore.
>
> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 12:22:30 PM UTC-6 cj.v...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to figure out how the two different kind of links behave 
>> differently with CamelCase, and I'm not seeing any difference.
>>
>> What am I missing here?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 1:13:06 PM UTC-4 ludwa6 wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks @codacoder: in fact i was testing this on a one-word tiddler (as 
>>> many of mine are; i use CamelCase a lot)... So i swapped that part of 
>>> Charlie's code for your variation, and now it works like a champ! 
>>>
>>> /walt
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 2:49:00 PM UTC coda coder wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Charlie
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:09:18 PM UTC-6 cj.v...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just had a thought for no-fuss-no-muss/no-frills getting 
>>>>> comments/feedback on Tiddlers:  email !!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It would be better to cover the case where the tiddler title is one 
>>>> word. Something like...
>>>>
>>>> ] 
>>>> +[addprefix[mailto:fr...@example.com?subject=]]}}}
>>>>   target="_blank">Send a comment/feedback about <>.
>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Production wiki - how to

[coda coder]

Your split/join works on spaces. With a tiddler called MyTiddler, there 
aren't any spaces. 

The "one-liner" {{{ [...] }}} is just my preference - safe to ignore.

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 12:22:30 PM UTC-6 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out how the two different kind of links behave 
> differently with CamelCase, and I'm not seeing any difference.
>
> What am I missing here?
>
> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 1:13:06 PM UTC-4 ludwa6 wrote:
>
>> Thanks @codacoder: in fact i was testing this on a one-word tiddler (as 
>> many of mine are; i use CamelCase a lot)... So i swapped that part of 
>> Charlie's code for your variation, and now it works like a champ! 
>>
>> /walt
>>
>> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 2:49:00 PM UTC coda coder wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Charlie
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:09:18 PM UTC-6 cj.v...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just had a thought for no-fuss-no-muss/no-frills getting 
>>>> comments/feedback on Tiddlers:  email !!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It would be better to cover the case where the tiddler title is one 
>>> word. Something like...
>>>
>>> ] 
>>> +[addprefix[mailto:fr...@example.com?subject=]]}}}
>>>   target="_blank">Send a comment/feedback about <>.
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Just a thought on "multi-user" tiddlywiki setup for task management

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Sounds like https://tiddlywiki.com/#Innerwiki%20Plugin

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 8:33:52 AM UTC-6 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> In the midst of enjoying my day's first cup o' coffee, a thought:
>
> For team collaboration re task management, I'd setup multiple tiddlywiki 
> instances, with each team member the only person allowed to edit his/her 
> tiddlywiki.
>
> There would be also one tiddlywiki for the team's supervisor, either 
> maintained by the supervisor or "ownership" delegated to a team member.
>
> Say each team member has one tiddler that summarizes the list of tasks 
> he/she has on his/her list.
>
> The supervisor's tiddlywiki would have a tiddler with an iframe section 
> for each team member, and each iframe displays, for that particular team 
> member, that team member's list of tasks from that team member's tiddlywiki 
> instance.  We could call this a kind of dashboard.  And the supervisor 
> could have as many dashboards as needed, 
>
> Sure, each dashboard would be a little bit slow, because each iframe is 
> loading an entire tiddlywiki to each then just show a particular tiddler 
> for each team member.
>
> A node.js setup would fix the speed issue, but then would make it easier 
> for folk to mess with each other's tiddlers.  I think.  I've only read a 
> little bit about TiddlyWiki used with node.js.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Production wiki - how to

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Hi Charlie

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:09:18 PM UTC-6 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just had a thought for no-fuss-no-muss/no-frills getting 
> comments/feedback on Tiddlers:  email !!!
>
>
It would be better to cover the case where the tiddler title is one word. 
Something like...

] 
+[addprefix[mailto:f...@example.com?subject=]]}}}
  target="_blank">Send a comment/feedback about <>.

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[tw5] Re: [tutorial] Notes on the keyboard-driven-input macro

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Thanks Chris.

It just so happened that yesterday I "fixed" an extension I'd made to the 
TW Search field (which no longer worked as expected in 23) and discovered 
much the same. For a given grouping of tiddlers, I want to search their 
subtitle fields rather than title/text so I soon bumped into userInput, 
first-search-filter et al... (Got it working by creating another tiddler 
tagged $:/tags/SearchResults and a search-filter field containing a filter 
for subtitle)

But your expose' goes much further. Great documentation and Good job!

I hope that wiki and tiddler stay around - I'm linking to it! :)

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 2:21:09 PM UTC-6 clutterstack wrote:

> Hi all, 
>
> I was interested in building a tool to select a tiddler from a dropdown, 
> or to create a new one using a text input element if desired (much like the 
> tag picker). I quickly discovered that this is quite involved, but that a 
> lot of the work is encapsulated in the keyboard-driven-input macro.
>
> I didn't find it trivial to wrap my head around it, so I tried to make the 
> simplest functioning thing I could make with this macro, and wrote up the 
> process on my workshop wiki here: Exploring the keyboard-driven-input 
> macro 
> 
>
> Comments welcome; otherwise I hope this helps someone down the road.
>
> Best,
> Chris
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Best of 2020 and the Wish-list of 2021

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Late to the party, again... :/

WISH: Nested macros.

To be clear, 

<> <> embedded">>

I can dream, right?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

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> In the current release it is 34kB 

That's nothing! Good job!

>

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[tw5] Re: Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

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STARRED.

Very clean, very impressive.

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 1:02:54 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> Tamasha app and plugin has got a new beta update. This is only for test 
> purposes!
>
> See Tamasha 0.4.2 
>
> Code: https://github.com/kookma/TW-Tamasha
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Tamasha/
>
> Feb 1st, 2021
>
> [NEW] slide background color for individual tiddler was added
> [FIXED] cleanup CSS and user interface
> [FIXED] the progressbar macro was merged with progressbar ui
> [FIXED] the progressbar show correct percent for first slide
> [FIXED] all navigation macros included go home and goe end were put in the 
> single tiddler $:/plugins/kookma/tamasha/macros/navigator
>
> *Please star it, if you like it.*
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 6:55 AM Mohammad Rahmani  
> wrote:
>
>> Tamasha is a pure wikitext (pure Tiddlywiki scripts no JS) plugin for 
>> presentation and slideshow.
>> The idea was taken from my older plugin Tiddlyshow (
>> https://kookma.github.io/Tiddlyshow/)
>>
>> The reason to develop another presentation plugin was to have a simpler 
>> and a more natural TW plugin. Tamasha is around 20kb and has many features 
>> of MS Powerpoint and Google Slides and Beamer LaTeX. The other reason was 
>> the increasing need of such tools for my own online classes. The lectures 
>> can be distributed simply as a single or few Tiddlywiki files.
>>
>> To shine your ideas buried in tiddlers just tag them and fire your 
>> presentation by calling a small macro whenever you want. A tiddler can be 
>> part of several presentations.
>> You can even have two or more presentations in a single tiddler just by 
>> calling the presenter macro several times with different settings.
>>
>> It supports almost all Tiddlywiki features, and works with most plugins 
>> and themes, e.g. KaTeX, Highlight.js, Shiraz, Streams, Todolist, Notebook, 
>> Projectify, ...
>> Tamasha supports templates (to customize what to display) and themes 
>> (fonts, colors and fancy things,...)
>> Like all commercial presentation software, it supports keyboard shortcuts 
>> for navigation, ...
>>
>> I plan to add features like export a presentation to PDF, export to zip 
>> file, zooming and online annotation and laser pointer, ...
>>
>> I have attached a small video to present the under development Tamasha.
>>
>> I like to *get your feedback* in advance to see what you like to have in 
>> a presentation plugin. Share with me your wish list.
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

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On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 10:37:26 PM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> Thank you CodaCoder, I will give a try splitting the viewport into two 
> sections.
>
>
You don't need to do that. 

Place one $eventcatcher around your main slide area.

Place another around the toolbar area.

You're done.

The demo was laid out like that just to make clear what's happening.

The reason I'm pushing you on this is to get something significant "out 
there" that uses $eventcatcher - Tamasha sounds like the perfect 
opportunity!

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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

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You mean 5 seconds is a show-stopper? Seriously? $eventcatcher using 
mouseover is already "not quick", something like 2 to 3 seconds...

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:48:10 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

>
>> I did it with wikitext. The only thing "missing" is the ability to 
>> specify 5 seconds.
>>
>>
> Thank you! It seems I have to use JS.
>
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>> 
>> .
>>
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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

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On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 9:43:51 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 4:02 PM coda coder  
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, that was my question: is it possible to do this with wikitext? Seems 
> no!
>

I did it with wikitext. The only thing "missing" is the ability to specify 
5 seconds.

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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

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On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 2:49:53 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> Right now Tamasha uses the hover mechanism, 
>

For what, exactly? "hover" is a CSS term, btw.
 

> but what I mean is while the mouse /pointer is on the slide,
>

slide = presentation in my example.
 

> it could be hidden 
>

it being the navigation bar? That's what my dmo does.

and also nav button after 5 seconds or specified time.
>
>
If you want to specify timings, you'll need JavaScript.

BTW, hover/mouseover techniques won't work in pointerless environments 
(e.g. mobile).




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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

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Drop this in a tiddler at tiddlywiki.com. If you use it, remove the 
$action-log widgets.

\define nav-out-actions()
<$action-log $$message="nav-out" $$filter="currentTiddler" 
event=<> />
<$action-setfield $field=btn-class $value=hide />
\end
\define nav-over-actions()
<$action-log $$message="nav-over" $$filter="currentTiddler" 
event=<> />
<$action-setfield $field=btn-class $value=show />
\end

<$eventcatcher events="mouseover" selector=".pres" 
actions-mouseover=<>>
 Presentation


<$eventcatcher events="mouseover mouseout" selector=".nav" 
  actions-mouseover=<> 
actions-mouseout=<>
>

 Navigation
 
  
   prev next
  
 




.show { visibility:visible; }
.hide { visibility:hidden; }
.nav {
 background-color:red;
 color:#fff;
 height:80px;
 padding:30px;
}
.nav {
}
.pres {
 background-color:blue;
 color:#fff;
 min-height:200px
}






On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 11:57:21 AM UTC-6 coda coder wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:15:48 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> One issue I could not resolve yet is to hide nav buttons after a few 
>> seconds and appear it on mouse move.
>> If you note while you keep the mouse on the slide the nav buttons are 
>> displayed.
>>
>> Hope someone come with a solution (of course without JS)
>>
>
> You could probably get some mileage using $eventcatcher and mouseover. I 
> think I would create an area slightly larger than the the nav area and, 
> when the mouse hovers that area, show the buttons. When the mouse hovers 
> the presentation area, hide the nav buttons. Make sure you don't hide the 
> nav area itself, you will not get the buttons back ;)
>
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[coda coder]

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:15:48 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> One issue I could not resolve yet is to hide nav buttons after a few 
> seconds and appear it on mouse move.
> If you note while you keep the mouse on the slide the nav buttons are 
> displayed.
>
> Hope someone come with a solution (of course without JS)
>

You could probably get some mileage using $eventcatcher and mouseover. I 
think I would create an area slightly larger than the the nav area and, 
when the mouse hovers that area, show the buttons. When the mouse hovers 
the presentation area, hide the nav buttons. Make sure you don't hide the 
nav area itself, you will not get the buttons back ;)



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[tw5] Re: Tamasha Presentation Plugin [planned for early Feb]

[coda coder]

Classy. Good work, Mohammad.

On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 9:56:55 AM UTC-6 Ste wrote:

>
> But.. We have only just had Christmas.. It can't be December already! 
> I'll have a look at this as I made good use of tiddlyshow! 
>
> On Wednesday, 20 January 2021 at 04:51:16 UTC TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Looks Promising Mohammad, thanks for you continuing contributions.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Wednesday, 20 January 2021 at 14:26:23 UTC+11 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Tamasha is a pure wikitext (pure Tiddlywiki scripts no JS) plugin for 
>>> presentation and slideshow.
>>> The idea was taken from my older plugin Tiddlyshow (
>>> https://kookma.github.io/Tiddlyshow/)
>>>
>>> The reason to develop another presentation plugin was to have a simpler 
>>> and a more natural TW plugin. Tamasha is around 20kb and has many features 
>>> of MS Powerpoint and Google Slides and Beamer LaTeX. The other reason was 
>>> the increasing need of such tools for my own online classes. The lectures 
>>> can be distributed simply as a single or few Tiddlywiki files.
>>>
>>> To shine your ideas buried in tiddlers just tag them and fire your 
>>> presentation by calling a small macro whenever you want. A tiddler can be 
>>> part of several presentations.
>>> You can even have two or more presentations in a single tiddler just by 
>>> calling the presenter macro several times with different settings.
>>>
>>> It supports almost all Tiddlywiki features, and works with most plugins 
>>> and themes, e.g. KaTeX, Highlight.js, Shiraz, Streams, Todolist, Notebook, 
>>> Projectify, ...
>>> Tamasha supports templates (to customize what to display) and themes 
>>> (fonts, colors and fancy things,...)
>>> Like all commercial presentation software, it supports keyboard 
>>> shortcuts for navigation, ...
>>>
>>> I plan to add features like export a presentation to PDF, export to zip 
>>> file, zooming and online annotation and laser pointer, ...
>>>
>>> I have attached a small video to present the under development Tamasha.
>>>
>>> I like to *get your feedback* in advance to see what you like to have 
>>> in a presentation plugin. Share with me your wish list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Plugin] Presenting TW5-Uglify! Plugin compression the TiddlyWIki way!

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> Let me know what you all think. 

*Comprehensive*, is what I think. Kudos.

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 2:33:24 PM UTC-6 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Flibbles hurrah! This has immediate implications and uses for work that 
> my colleagues are doing and potentially for myself, where being able to 
> reduce the file size of a standalone TW file is essential.
>
> I will give it a whirl tomorrow.
> Thank you.
>
> Saq
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 9:26:32 PM UTC+1 Flibbles wrote:
>
>> Some people want a minified version of the TW5 core, but it'd be too much 
>> work to maintain.
>> Some people think it should remain uncompressed for the sake of editors, 
>> but TW5 continues to grow by the day.
>> Some developers compress their plugins, making efficient code, but it's a 
>> pain for anyone debugging it.
>> Some developers leave their plugins uncompressed, but that means it's 
>> larger than necessary for 90% of all end-users.
>>
>> Now there's a solution for everybody: TW5-uglify.
>>
>> This is a plugin primarily designed to be used by a Node.JS server. Your 
>> server has access to all your uncompressed and unpacked plugins, which is 
>> fine, since servers have the speed and memory for it. But what it sends to 
>> browsers are fully compressed plugins. Your little smart phones and tablets 
>> get the efficient TW5 they deserve.
>>
>> Or maybe you're a plugin developer who wants to minify their code. Now 
>> you no longer have to resort to using npm-gulp like some kind of chump. 
>> Your build process can remain an entirely TiddlyWiki process.
>>
>> Or maybe you want to miniify your standalone TiddlyWiki file. You can, 
>> but... think hard about this before you do it. Because unlike with 
>> TW5-Uglified server, compressing your standalone files is a one-way 
>> process. You'll forever have compressed code unless you download a new 
>> Tiddlywiki, redownload all your plugins, and transfer all your tiddlers 
>> from your old file. But hey! Maybe you're running TiddlyWiki on your 2000 
>> era Nokia phone in an wifi wasteland. Then go ahead.
>>
>> Check it out.
>> Here's the demo site. 
>> And here's the github page .
>>
>> Let me know what you all think.
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Open all links in a new window

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Tres cool :)

Interestingly, if you launch, then F5 in the new (blank) window, you get a 
copy of the original story tiddlers.


On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 10:09:10 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> Saq
>
> That is excellent! Right to the point!
>
> I love the selector shift+click:  I can choose to open inside the main 
> story river or on the separate window! 
>
> Thanks a million!
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 7:28 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>
>> I realized it was easier to *do* than to *explain*.
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/temp/external-story.html
>>
>>
>>- click the button "open story in new window"
>>- Shift click a link in the main window
>>
>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 4:29:29 PM UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Saq,
>>>  Sure I will ask! I am studying the part with the second story river. 
>>>
>>> Yes I see, it is actually too complex ;-)  :)
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 6:48 PM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 Please do ask if you run into issues. You don't need the entire Stories 
 plugin, just look at the tiddlers I mentioned and implement your own.

 My setup is a bit more complex because I implemented it as a button 
 that allows the second story to be in a second column, or pop out to a 
 second window.

 On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 4:09:47 PM UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Saq,
>  Many thanks for detailed explanation. I had a look at stories and I 
> think I can use it and manage to implement my use case.
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:15 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mohammad,
>>
>> I do something similar to open a new story in a new window sometimes, 
>> but it has been  a while since I configured it by tweaking the CSS in 
>> the  
>> Stories plugin. Though I am wondering if what you really want is to open 
>> the slideshow in a new story, and have the links open in the main story?
>>
>> If I remember correctly how I set it up, you need to have a tiddler 
>> with a navigator widget and list widget (with a different story tiddler 
>> title) that you open in a second story. Think of this as the second 
>> story 
>> window. See $:/_sq/Stories/Templates/Story2Template from Stories for 
>> ideas, 
>> though yours can be much simpler for instance you don't need the 
>> scrollable.
>>
>> Then you can make links open in this story by one of the following 
>> methods:
>> - wrapping links in a navigator widget that uses the story title of 
>> the new story. OR
>> - borrowing the shift click code from Stories 
>> (   $:/_sq/Stories/LinkKeybindings)
>> - or I have some code to allow invoking actions on shift+click
>>
>> Sorry for not providing more details, busy morning. Just ask 
>> questions if need be and I will answer as time allows.
>> Regards,
>>
>> Saq
>>
>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 6:26:10 AM UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Question:
>>> I am working on a presentation tool. Slides are tiddler which have 
>>> several links to other tiddlers (are not slide. Slide = tiddler with 
>>> small 
>>> content big fonts). As a normal behaviour on click these links are 
>>> opened 
>>> in the main story river and TW navigates to them!
>>>
>>> How can I write a short script instruct TW to open these links in a 
>>> new window containing a second story river, so I can switch to a new 
>>> window 
>>> and then back to my main window and have all those opened links 
>>> (tiddlers) 
>>> there!
>>>
>>> I thought the Saq two story river as a potential solution! Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Habit/Mood Tracking using TW?

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On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 5:58:44 PM UTC-6 Osin wrote:

> That's funny. Here I am "learning" about TW, but instead of building 
> something with the pieces, I'm testing out the different plugins and 
> *tweaking 
> minor irrelevant CSS things*.
>
>>
>>>
You mean there's other things you can use TW for? All that time I waisted!!!
 

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Re: [tw5] Re: CSS question

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Let me say that again... but better ;)

H2 - You have different font-size settings on each H2 inheriting from P on 
the one page, DIV on the other. 13pt/15px.  

On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 6:08:50 PM UTC-6 coda coder wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> H2 - You have a different font-size setting on each inheriting from P in 
> the on page, DIV in the other. 13pt/15px.
>
> Similar (but different) is happening with the summary elements.
>
> BTW, sizing unit "pt" is used (typically) for print media - does that 
> provide any clues?
>
> On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 5:54:21 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark
>>
>> Even in your screenshots, you can tell the regular and bolded text is 
>> exactly the same, but the header and slider summary texts are smaller. That 
>> is what I am talking about.
>>
>> I can live with the change in the black header text, but I would like the 
>> slider summary texts to be larger, and it won't budge.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:35 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe I don't understand what you want compared, but they look the same 
>>> to me. Is it possible you have a different zoom setting on the two pages?
>>>
>>> [image: apocrypho-comparison-for-dave.png]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 3:20:36 PM UTC-8 David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>
>>>> I got everything else the way I want it in this experiment, but I can't 
>>>> figure out why the details summary text in this file 
>>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/details.test.html looks right (larger 
>>>> than regular bold text) but outputs to static html smaller. Smaller, even, 
>>>> than the regular bold text. See 
>>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/apoc.ot.html 
>>>>
>>>> The stylesheets I have for the fonts are 
>>>>
>>>> $:/.giffmex/.Stylesheet/Details
>>>> $:/.giffmex/.Stylesheet/FontBasic 
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate any help. Last step before world domination!
>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: CSS question

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Hi Dave,

H2 - You have a different font-size setting on each inheriting from P in 
the on page, DIV in the other. 13pt/15px.

Similar (but different) is happening with the summary elements.

BTW, sizing unit "pt" is used (typically) for print media - does that 
provide any clues?

On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 5:54:21 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> Even in your screenshots, you can tell the regular and bolded text is 
> exactly the same, but the header and slider summary texts are smaller. That 
> is what I am talking about.
>
> I can live with the change in the black header text, but I would like the 
> slider summary texts to be larger, and it won't budge.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 5:35 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe I don't understand what you want compared, but they look the same 
>> to me. Is it possible you have a different zoom setting on the two pages?
>>
>> [image: apocrypho-comparison-for-dave.png]
>>
>> On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 3:20:36 PM UTC-8 David Gifford wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> I got everything else the way I want it in this experiment, but I can't 
>>> figure out why the details summary text in this file 
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/details.test.html looks right (larger 
>>> than regular bold text) but outputs to static html smaller. Smaller, even, 
>>> than the regular bold text. See 
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/apoc.ot.html 
>>>
>>> The stylesheets I have for the fonts are 
>>>
>>> $:/.giffmex/.Stylesheet/Details
>>> $:/.giffmex/.Stylesheet/FontBasic 
>>>
>>> I appreciate any help. Last step before world domination!
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Project Name

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Hmm, so the physics theme has taken off? :)

I'm not complete enamored with it though, despite my preference to view 
"the field" as the fundamental. (Even that's a play, in case it got past 
you).

Aside: *Penrose*, I do like. He lives, I believe, not too far from Rushton 
Towers. And he was awarded the Nobel prize for physics, recently. I can 
envisage much play on "pen" and "rose" in terms of icons and "Englishness" 
(at least).

On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 2:10:01 PM UTC-6 Mark S. wrote:

> Don't forget Quarks. Of course, "QuarkXpress" is already taken.
>
> On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 11:44:57 AM UTC-8 hww...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Mohammad!
>>
>> Sorry, but in my "quantum state" I had overlooked electron. :-).  ( 
>> Thanks for the link. )
>>
>> Personally, I am quite happy with "TiddlyWiki", if only because ( like 
>> Charlie ) I prefer to not change Jargon.
>>
>> If Size is a prime consideration, however, then I would enjoy Boson ( 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boson ).  Based on what little I know of 
>> Theoretical Physics, I don't think there are likely to be any smaller 
>> references within Jeremy's promised 25 year time-span.  I could be wrong, 
>> of course, but I am unlikely to care since Kurzweil's singularity promise 
>> seems to be running late.
>>
>> On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 11:29:17 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hans!
>>> But seriously we have such a name.
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Electron a famous framework lets create desktop apps using web 
>>>technology https://www.electronjs.org/
>>>2. Atom is great text editor https://www.electronjs.org/apps/atom
>>>3. Graviton a minimalistic code editor 
>>>https://www.electronjs.org/apps/graviton-editor
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a look at https://www.electronjs.org/apps supported by OpenJS and 
>>> you find quark.
>>>
>>> Just kidding: I prefer Tiddlywiki over atomic related things ;-)
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 6:50 PM Hans Wobbe  wrote:
>>>
 I'm probably spending too much time trying to understand Quantum 
 computing, so AtomicCards suggests (to me) a possible wish to go a bit 
 deeper and at least use subAtomic element names.  Quark? Maybe even Boson  
 or Fermion?

 Happy New Year!

 Hans

 On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 9:14:09 AM UTC-5 dix...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> AtomicCards™
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021, at 2:14 AM, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> I like the name "AtomCards"
>
> to add my two cents to the discussion :D
>
> positiv...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 28. Dezember 2020 um 07:14:43 
> UTC+1:
>
> I couldn't find if this topic has already been re-hashed this decade. 
> But I was wondering if there is any value in discussing alternative names 
> to the "Tiddly" part of the TiddlyWIki project. This project has been 
> around for so long that renaming / rebranding would be quite an effort. 
> And 
> the Tiddly part is unique within programming projects, which helps to 
> eliminate false positives when searching for sample code.
>
> I am an American living on the Pacific Coast, so my linguistic 
> preferences are definitely different from Jeremy's. But just saying the 
> word 'Tiddly' out loud feels like trying to get people from certain 
> Germany 
> dialects to say the word "Squirrel." It always feels forced to me.
>
> A joke by Lt. Commander Data on Star Trek the Next Generation was 
> about someone mispronouncing 'kidneys' as 'kiddleys.' We the store keeper 
> corrected him, the customer contested, "No, I said 'kiddleys.' Diddle I?"
>
> From just a project standpoint, the word 'Tiddly' is trying to focus 
> on the "small amount" of data or code that should be in any one unit. 
> This 
> way many units can be combined in various ways to satisfy different 
> needs. 
> Although it is intended to produce a Wiki-like user interface with deep 
> linking and back references, the way you go about it is by breaking up 
> large pieces of information into re-usable components.
>
> If your goal is to create "tiddlers," then using a TiddlyWiki 
> application would be a natural fit. If the goal of most people is to make 
> small units of re-usable components, then perhaps a different prefix 
> would 
> make it more appealing. Again, this is just a personal opinion and not a 
> slight on the TiddlyWiki project as a whole, which I have been using 
> frequently everyday.
>
> There have been two alternate words kicking around in my head lately. 
> TipWiki or DotWiki.
>
> 'Tip' has a very similar double meaning to Tiddly - drunk people can 
> be 'tiddly' or 'tipsy', and just the 'tip' of something or a 'tiddly' 
> amount of something is quite small. There is an additional English 
> meaning 
> of 'tip' to mean 'a small note or 

[tw5] Re: Request: Reply to author should be enabled here in the group

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Via "Browse" for a file...
[image: reply.png]

On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:21:15 PM UTC-6 coda coder wrote:

> Yep. Broken. Again.
>
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:20:46 PM UTC-6 coda coder wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 8:51:45 AM UTC-6 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> It's the same for me. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 3:02:33 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apologies, I have tried to insert a screenshot with no success. The 
>>>> reply to author button is disabled and the tooltip states: "You do not 
>>>> have 
>>>> permission to reply to author in this group".
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 3:01:16 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 3:00:13 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There seems to be a permissions issue:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 2:54:19 PM UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Addendum:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "reply to author" feature requires that you allow your browser 
>>>>>>> to handle "mailto:; links.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the instructions for Chrome:
>>>>>>> https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9308783?hl=en
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the instructions for FireFox:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/change-program-used-open-email-links
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -e
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 5:40:07 AM UTC-8 Eric Shulman 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mario,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I enabled "Reply to author" for "all group members" several weeks 
>>>>>>>> ago.  The command is located in the "three dots" dropdown menu (upper 
>>>>>>>> right 
>>>>>>>> corner of each message header).  If you are not seeing this menu item 
>>>>>>>> (or 
>>>>>>>> it is still disabled), then that is most likely a bug in the new 
>>>>>>>> GoogleGroups.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -e
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 4:38:26 AM UTC-8 PMario wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Jeremy or @Eric, 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would be nice, if "reply to author" would be enabled. 
>>>>>>>>> Thx, 
>>>>>>>>> -mario
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Request: Reply to author should be enabled here in the group

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Yep. Broken. Again.

On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 12:20:46 PM UTC-6 coda coder wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 8:51:45 AM UTC-6 PMario wrote:
>
>> It's the same for me. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 3:02:33 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> Apologies, I have tried to insert a screenshot with no success. The 
>>> reply to author button is disabled and the tooltip states: "You do not have 
>>> permission to reply to author in this group".
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 3:01:16 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 3:00:13 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>>
>>>>> There seems to be a permissions issue:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 2:54:19 PM UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Addendum:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "reply to author" feature requires that you allow your browser to 
>>>>>> handle "mailto:; links.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the instructions for Chrome:
>>>>>> https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9308783?hl=en
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the instructions for FireFox:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/change-program-used-open-email-links
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -e
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 5:40:07 AM UTC-8 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mario,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I enabled "Reply to author" for "all group members" several weeks 
>>>>>>> ago.  The command is located in the "three dots" dropdown menu (upper 
>>>>>>> right 
>>>>>>> corner of each message header).  If you are not seeing this menu item 
>>>>>>> (or 
>>>>>>> it is still disabled), then that is most likely a bug in the new 
>>>>>>> GoogleGroups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -e
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 4:38:26 AM UTC-8 PMario wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Jeremy or @Eric, 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be nice, if "reply to author" would be enabled. 
>>>>>>>> Thx, 
>>>>>>>> -mario
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Request: Reply to author should be enabled here in the group

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On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 8:51:45 AM UTC-6 PMario wrote:

> It's the same for me. 
>
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 3:02:33 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> Apologies, I have tried to insert a screenshot with no success. The reply 
>> to author button is disabled and the tooltip states: "You do not have 
>> permission to reply to author in this group".
>>
>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 3:01:16 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 3:00:13 PM UTC+1 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
 Hi Eric,

 There seems to be a permissions issue:


 On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 2:54:19 PM UTC+1 Eric Shulman wrote:

> Addendum:
>
> The "reply to author" feature requires that you allow your browser to 
> handle "mailto:; links.
>
> Here's the instructions for Chrome:
> https://support.google.com/a/users/answer/9308783?hl=en
>
> Here's the instructions for FireFox:
>
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/change-program-used-open-email-links
>
> -e
>
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 5:40:07 AM UTC-8 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> Mario,
>>
>> I enabled "Reply to author" for "all group members" several weeks 
>> ago.  The command is located in the "three dots" dropdown menu (upper 
>> right 
>> corner of each message header).  If you are not seeing this menu item 
>> (or 
>> it is still disabled), then that is most likely a bug in the new 
>> GoogleGroups.
>>
>> -e
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 4:38:26 AM UTC-8 PMario wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> @Jeremy or @Eric, 
>>>
>>> It would be nice, if "reply to author" would be enabled. 
>>> Thx, 
>>> -mario
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Project Name

[coda coder]

Meant to add...

Cards? Hypercard used cards... and how old is that? Predates the web by 
almost 10 years. 

@Jeremy I appreciate your point about the conversation inevitably reducing 
to name--offerings, but the deeper, more fundamental and technical stuff 
should happen "in another place", surely?

On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 11:24:59 AM UTC-6 taale...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> So, what if we create a place other than here (n Tiddlywiki.com?) for 
> possible names, so we have somewhere to brainstorm without bogging down the 
> list?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 10:02 AM PMario  wrote:
>
>> Hi, 
>> At first I thought xememex is complicated, but then I thought about it. I 
>> did play a little bit with it. 
>>
>> As wikipedia tells us: memex is a hypthetical thing 
>> , It may come from "memory ex
>> tension",
>> Quote: "The memex would provide an "enlarged intimate supplement to 
>> one's memory"." ... I think that's just a different description for TW. 
>>
>> xememex could be the "Next electronical memory extension". As Jeremy 
>> told us, this name has an interesting "feature". We can read it forward and 
>> backward. 
>>
>> xememex .. or ..  xememexnice! right? 
>>
>> We nickname TiddlyWiki with TW or TW5  
>>
>> We can nickname xememex as meX ... Which for me would be: me eXtended .(I 
>> do like this one ;) 
>>
>> *Conclusion for me:*
>>
>> Tiddlers can be renamed to: Cards 
>>
>> xememex.com can be the organisation
>>
>> "xememex ToolBox" can be the product. ... Short: meX 
>>
>> and xememex can be a "word mark" / logo ... IMO if the first 2 letters 
>> are greyed out a little bit, it's much easier to read.  
>>
>> Just my 2 cents about the name. 
>>
>> -mario
>>
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Re: [tw5] TiddlyWiki Project Name

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Late to the party, again. 

Tiddlywiki - the product has outgrown the name. Did so a long time ago, 
even before TW5.

Xememex - what a beautiful word! Bad name for a product. That's as much of 
a "bump" as describing Tiddlywiki to a newcomer.

Fundamental unit = tiddler? I've never agreed to this even though it's 
touted and repeated ad infinitum.

  Fundamental unit = fields/properties of a tiddler. i.e. "elementary 
particles".
  Atoms = currently called tiddlers.
  Molecules = tagged (or otherwise grouped) tiddlers.
  Long-chain molecule(s) =  Story river(s)  
  
Not sure if there's a new name in there as that stands, but my brane (not a 
typo) is leaning toward String Theory, though I'm not sure about "Brane" or 
"Membrane".  Or maybe I am...?

On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:40:35 AM UTC-6 springer wrote:

> Dear all, I confess that I sometimes rename 'tiddler' for my professional 
> projects, *but* I also recall that "google" also sounded super-silly until 
> it simply rewired our brains...
>
> I'll honor Jeremy's suggestion that this thread not descend into a popcorn 
> of name candidates... and yet I do think that there's some chance that when 
> an ideal name is proposed it may actually bring about a kind of "eureka" 
> moment for a critical number of us.
>
> How about this middle-ground: a brainstorm of the core *concepts* around 
> which there's good promise for communicative recognition. Here's my 
> off-the-cuff list (sorry if I've missed some in the thread that ought to be 
> included), without trying to edit out ones that are "taken" or otherwise 
> non-starters:
>
> Base (platform, database, starting-point)
> Build
> Card (& Deck or stack) (HyperCard, index card, very intuitive)
> Dwell (live in it while rebuilding it)
> Equip (especially as a verb; TW as equipment, but also can be equipped 
> with...)
> Facet (there's more to see!)
> Fly (edit on the fly)
> Kaleido [unweildy, but...]
> Kit (chemistry kit, tinkering, lots of tools out of which you choose what 
> you need)
> Meme/memo/memex [and other variants]
> Molecule/atom/nucleus [other metaphors from physics? fits Atro's logo well]
> Mutate/Morph [not great in viral era!]
> Nexus [yeah, taken]
> Node (not yet mentioned, but invokes both simplicity and power)
> Origami (the power of many facets, flexibility, simple starting point)
> Pack (pack it up, packs a punch, change what's in it...)
> Poly- (as a prefix invoking polyphony, polymorphous...)
> Point (both node-like, and verb-like; PoinTWiki would get TW in there, as 
> would KitWiki)
> Record (I'm a database user; this clues me into the power of fields)
> Self- (as NoteSelf picks up on, having self-modification tools "folded 
> in"...)
> Theseus (yeah, a philosopher's inside joke)
> Tid (tidbit, continuity with Tiddler)
> Topo (topology, topics, map-like)
>
> My suggestion is that we just allow these and other metaphors some 
> breathing room, and imagine their various connotations and powers... If we 
> can orient to a network of conceptual "hooks" on which a rebranding could 
> hang, then perhaps the conversation is less yanked-about by this and that, 
> but gets the associative juices going...
>
> -Springer
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:34:37 AM UTC-5 Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
>> Don't mind me.  I just finished my first oh-so-excellent cup o' coffee 
>> for the day, and I'm in a zen mood.
>>
>> Just waxing a little philosophical:  I don't see anything as a mistake.  
>>  I see a thing as the culmination of a series of intertwingled things that 
>> came together into a particular result that could not have been otherwise 
>> at that moment.  The result was meant to be, a wee tiddly and necessary 
>> step on the journey's path.
>>
>> Now I'm about to make myself a second cup of coffee, and a few sips into 
>> that, I may just think: what the heck was I thinking and what "need" was I 
>> trying go handle?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *And more important*: lets correct the past design mistakes!
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [tw5] Help Wanted - TW5 gone too wide

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On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 10:13:34 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:

>
>- The Tab was pinned in FireFox and somehow a miss-setting remained 
>stored in that tab, despite browser restarts and wiki reloads.
>
> Which suggests Ctrl+F5 or a cachebuster may have fixed it, too.

Glad you got it fixed.

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Re: [tw5] Help Wanted - TW5 gone too wide

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Tony

tc-sidebar-tabs-main should be in `$:/core`.

If you're convinced that making changes in ControlPanel/Sizes has no 
effect, then I'd have to suspect a corrupt class somewhere in that part of 
the dom. If you have a similar wiki, (or, indeed empty.html) load them both 
and bring up the DevTools Inspector looking at both sidebar tabs and check 
for difference between their respective styles.

I still think your solution will come from CP/Sizes. I know they can get 
thrown on rare occasions. If I walk through them (set to 0, then back to 
original) "something" kicks in and fixes the layout. Background to that: I 
use a couple wikis stretched across three monitors, so I have a very 
unconventional layout, and on the occasions when it goes awry, fiddling 
with those always fixes it - though in my case, it's the story river that 
explodes across the screen.

On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 9:05:17 PM UTC-6 David Gifford wrote:

> I read "TW5 gone too wild" and was thoroughly disappointed by the actual 
> topic of this thread.
>
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 7:49:35 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> No luck yet. I observe however that; 
>>
>>- If I close the sidebar, the tiddler width expands to fill the 
>>overwide space
>>- With the side bar visible the tiddler width returns and its the 
>>side bar that is too wide.
>>- With menu bar active it stretches the whole width
>>- I have no edited theme tweak size settings
>>- I cant find  tc-sidebar-tabs-main referenced anywhere except in  
>>tc-sidebar-tabs-main
>>- Page template is unaltered
>>
>> I will keep searching;
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 at 23:01:30 UTC+11 jeremy...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It may not be the problem here, but the easiest way to recreate the 
>>> screenshot is to add the property "white-space: nowrap;” to the class 
>>> "tc-sidebar-tabs-main”.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>> On 22 Dec 2020, at 02:06, coda coder  wrote:
>>>
>>> Try walking through the settings in ControlPanel/Appearance/Theme 
>>> Tweaks/Sizes, one by one. There some internal settings that appear to be 
>>> recalculated when this values change (though I'm not certain what they are 
>>> specifically).
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 6:49:16 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
>>>> coda coda,
>>>>
>>>> I think the tab strip just fills the available space, and wraps when 
>>>> full, somehow there is too much available space.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and Regards
>>>> Tones
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 at 09:44:20 UTC+11 coda coder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Weird. Did you somehow mangle the class applied to the tabstrip? Or 
>>>>> its container?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 4:35:19 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All of a sudden in a specific tiddlywiki, it has ended up being three 
>>>>>> times its normal width in my browser. The side bar tabs now all appear 
>>>>>> on 
>>>>>> one line rather than wrap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just can not find what is causing it.
>>>>>> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarwidth  and other shadow 
>>>>>> tiddlers have being restored to the core values but I still can not find 
>>>>>> out why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By zooming out this snapshot shows the problem.
>>>>>> [image: Snag_4246c866.png]
>>>>>> See the bottom scroll bar?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tones
>>>>>>
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[tw5] Re: Help Wanted - TW5 gone too wide

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Try walking through the settings in ControlPanel/Appearance/Theme 
Tweaks/Sizes, one by one. There some internal settings that appear to be 
recalculated when this values change (though I'm not certain what they are 
specifically).

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 6:49:16 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:

> coda coda,
>
> I think the tab strip just fills the available space, and wraps when full, 
> somehow there is too much available space.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 at 09:44:20 UTC+11 coda coder wrote:
>
>> Weird. Did you somehow mangle the class applied to the tabstrip? Or its 
>> container?
>>
>> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 4:35:19 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> All of a sudden in a specific tiddlywiki, it has ended up being three 
>>> times its normal width in my browser. The side bar tabs now all appear on 
>>> one line rather than wrap.
>>>
>>> I just can not find what is causing it.
>>> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarwidth  and other shadow 
>>> tiddlers have being restored to the core values but I still can not find 
>>> out why?
>>>
>>> By zooming out this snapshot shows the problem.
>>> [image: Snag_4246c866.png]
>>> See the bottom scroll bar?
>>>
>>> Any ideas please?
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Help Wanted - TW5 gone too wide

[coda coder]

Weird. Did you somehow mangle the class applied to the tabstrip? Or its 
container?

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 4:35:19 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> All of a sudden in a specific tiddlywiki, it has ended up being three 
> times its normal width in my browser. The side bar tabs now all appear on 
> one line rather than wrap.
>
> I just can not find what is causing it.
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarwidth  and other shadow 
> tiddlers have being restored to the core values but I still can not find 
> out why?
>
> By zooming out this snapshot shows the problem.
> [image: Snag_4246c866.png]
> See the bottom scroll bar?
>
> Any ideas please?
>
> Tones
>

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[tw5] Re: Wikitext monospace block oddity

[coda coder]

Damn, what's up with images in GG?

Trying again...[image: img.png]

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 12:53:51 PM UTC-6 coda coder wrote:

>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 12:53:26 PM UTC-6 coda coder wrote:
>
>> Try terminating this paragraph (hit return, maybe twice)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 10:53:20 AM UTC-6 dgle...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The monospace functionality has worked as expected in previous tiddlers. 
>>> This particular tiddler is an exception. I have cut the text and copied it 
>>> to Atom, looked for any hidden characters. Didn't find any so I copied the 
>>> text and used the insert as plain text option (in KDE) and the the issue 
>>> still exists with the monotext block.
>>>
>>> [image: djangoMarkup.jpg]
>>>
>>> Any ideas what may be causing the issue? 
>>>
>>> Suggestions?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Wikitext monospace block oddity

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On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 12:53:26 PM UTC-6 coda coder wrote:

> Try terminating this paragraph (hit return, maybe twice)
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 10:53:20 AM UTC-6 dgle...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> The monospace functionality has worked as expected in previous tiddlers. 
>> This particular tiddler is an exception. I have cut the text and copied it 
>> to Atom, looked for any hidden characters. Didn't find any so I copied the 
>> text and used the insert as plain text option (in KDE) and the the issue 
>> still exists with the monotext block.
>>
>> [image: djangoMarkup.jpg]
>>
>> Any ideas what may be causing the issue? 
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Wikitext monospace block oddity

[coda coder]

Try terminating this paragraph (hit return, maybe twice)



On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 10:53:20 AM UTC-6 dgle...@gmail.com wrote:

> The monospace functionality has worked as expected in previous tiddlers. 
> This particular tiddler is an exception. I have cut the text and copied it 
> to Atom, looked for any hidden characters. Didn't find any so I copied the 
> text and used the insert as plain text option (in KDE) and the the issue 
> still exists with the monotext block.
>
> [image: djangoMarkup.jpg]
>
> Any ideas what may be causing the issue? 
>
> Suggestions?
>

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[tw5] Re: Smart quotes in TiddlyWiki

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FWIW, I use AutoHotKey. I've wired up Ctrl+' and Ctrl+Shift+' to issue 
curlies “like this”

;Pretty quotes
^':: SendInput “
^+':: SendInput ”

On a US DT keyboard, at least, they're conveniently located. On UK 
keyboards I know they're not so convenient. Android... no idea.

On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 8:01:51 PM UTC-6 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I'm starting to get sick of using a four-button compose-key sequence to 
> get “curly quotes” in my tiddlers. Has anyone thought about or tried 
> integrating a library like smartquotes.js 
>  into TiddlyWiki to 
> automatically curl "straight quotes" in output? TiddlyWiki automatically 
> upgrades hyphens to dashes, and if anything straight quotes are an even 
> more egregious typographical mistake, so it feels like something TiddlyWiki 
> should handle for me.
>
> I don't believe CodeMirror has any options related to upgrading the 
> characters on insertion, but I do use CodeMirror so that would be an 
> acceptable way too.
>

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[tw5] Re: Query: RANGE Operator. Does it only work in base-10?

[coda coder]

10 is the sum of 1 2 3 4

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:20:52 PM UTC-6 coda coder wrote:

> Mark... I see it. You left some debugging in there: <>
>
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:17:21 PM UTC-6 saq.i...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> If it helps there is a pad[] operator in the pre-release.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:41:11 PM UTC+1 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my first attempt. It uses the 5.1.23 search-replace filter 
>>> operator. It requires the input to be padded to 4 bytes.
>>>
>>> Now that I've done it, I realize it could probably be written with a 
>>> recursive loop and be open ended (not needing to be padded).
>>>
>>> \define hex2dec2(hex)
>>> <$vars myhex=<<__hex__>> 
>>> myfilter="[split[]nthsearch-replace:g[A],[10]search-replace:g[B],[11]search-replace:g[C],[12]search-replace:g[D],[13]search-replace:g[E],[14]search-replace:g[F],[15]]">
>>> <$list filter="1 2 3 4" variable="place"><>
>>> <$list filter="[subfilter] 
>>> [compare:number:eq[1]then[4096]else[1]] [subfilter] 
>>> [compare:number:eq[2]then[256]else[1]] [subfilter] 
>>> [compare:number:eq[3]then[16]else[1]]+[product[]]"/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> \end
>>> \define hex2dec(hex)
>>> <$wikify text="<>" name=dec>
>>> <$list filter="[enlistsum[]]"/>
>>> 
>>> \end
>>> <>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 3:34:02 AM UTC-8 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark,
>>>>
>>>> On this occasion I need to convert a 4 digit Hex to a decimal, so that 
>>>> I can use it in the range widget, because we cant generate a range of hex 
>>>> numbers.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Query: RANGE Operator. Does it only work in base-10?

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Mark... I see it. You left some debugging in there: <>

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 4:17:21 PM UTC-6 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> If it helps there is a pad[] operator in the pre-release.
>
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:41:11 PM UTC+1 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> Here's my first attempt. It uses the 5.1.23 search-replace filter 
>> operator. It requires the input to be padded to 4 bytes.
>>
>> Now that I've done it, I realize it could probably be written with a 
>> recursive loop and be open ended (not needing to be padded).
>>
>> \define hex2dec2(hex)
>> <$vars myhex=<<__hex__>> 
>> myfilter="[split[]nthsearch-replace:g[A],[10]search-replace:g[B],[11]search-replace:g[C],[12]search-replace:g[D],[13]search-replace:g[E],[14]search-replace:g[F],[15]]">
>> <$list filter="1 2 3 4" variable="place"><>
>> <$list filter="[subfilter] 
>> [compare:number:eq[1]then[4096]else[1]] [subfilter] 
>> [compare:number:eq[2]then[256]else[1]] [subfilter] 
>> [compare:number:eq[3]then[16]else[1]]+[product[]]"/>
>> 
>> 
>> \end
>> \define hex2dec(hex)
>> <$wikify text="<>" name=dec>
>> <$list filter="[enlistsum[]]"/>
>> 
>> \end
>> <>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 3:34:02 AM UTC-8 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> On this occasion I need to convert a 4 digit Hex to a decimal, so that I 
>>> can use it in the range widget, because we cant generate a range of hex 
>>> numbers.
>>>

>

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[tw5] Re: Query: RANGE Operator. Does it only work in base-10?

[coda coder]

Mark - you're adding 10 (decimal) somewhere.

 -> 65545
 -> 10

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 3:41:11 PM UTC-6 Mark S. wrote:

> Here's my first attempt. It uses the 5.1.23 search-replace filter 
> operator. It requires the input to be padded to 4 bytes.
>
> Now that I've done it, I realize it could probably be written with a 
> recursive loop and be open ended (not needing to be padded).
>
> \define hex2dec2(hex)
> <$vars myhex=<<__hex__>> 
> myfilter="[split[]nthsearch-replace:g[A],[10]search-replace:g[B],[11]search-replace:g[C],[12]search-replace:g[D],[13]search-replace:g[E],[14]search-replace:g[F],[15]]">
> <$list filter="1 2 3 4" variable="place"><>
> <$list filter="[subfilter] 
> [compare:number:eq[1]then[4096]else[1]] [subfilter] 
> [compare:number:eq[2]then[256]else[1]] [subfilter] 
> [compare:number:eq[3]then[16]else[1]]+[product[]]"/>
> 
> 
> \end
> \define hex2dec(hex)
> <$wikify text="<>" name=dec>
> <$list filter="[enlistsum[]]"/>
> 
> \end
> <>
>
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 3:34:02 AM UTC-8 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> On this occasion I need to convert a 4 digit Hex to a decimal, so that I 
>> can use it in the range widget, because we cant generate a range of hex 
>> numbers.
>>
>>>


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[tw5] Re: Imminent release of v5.1.23

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On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 3:48:02 PM UTC-6 Saq wrote

> @coda coder I want to take credit for that because I kick myself for not 
> thinking of it. However that was all Jeremy's idea. 
>
> Oh. Sorry and THANKS Jeremy!

@Saq - I took your example and played around with it, posted a comment (my 
first, ever) before I realized it didn't/doesn't save :(

Basically, copied your example to a new tiddler, added a field "thing = 
null", added a button up top which is populated by ((!!thing}}, added an 
$action-setfield that placed data-item-id in the thing field (which of 
course then appears in the button). Dumb as hell but gets the life-cycle 
point across "live".
 

> I just got excited when he posted an early version and  took on the task 
> of polishing it up so it was ready for 5.1.23. I share your excitement, it 
> is the most excited I have been about something new in TW since we first 
> got custom fields way back in the days of TiddlyWiki Classic.
>

Ha! I remember it well. THIS change does it for me - and $log comes in a 
close second THAT was you right?). I have some huge wikis here that seemed 
to work a little snappier in 5.1.23 so I'm super pleased and somewhat 
amazed how little they've grown byte for byte. Amazing work all round!

CodaCoder

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[tw5] Re: Imminent release of v5.1.23

[coda coder]

There's a lot to be excited about in this release, far too many things to 
mention here. But this... I'm unashamedly ecstatic about ...

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#EventCatcherWidget

Thanks Saq!

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:48:13 AM UTC-6 j.te...@gmail.com wrote:

> Many blessings to Jeremy and the contributors of the community.
> Anxiously awaiting the release.
>
> Regards all,
> Julio
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:58:27 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Jeremy ...
>> * The beginnings of support for switchable page templates (referred to as 
>> layouts), which will give us a route to introduce a more modern alternative 
>> layout
>>
>> I noticed that. I think its a very good step. Alongside what PMario is 
>> doing to greatly expand WikiText, the fluidity of the visuals in TW will 
>> being to approach the flex the more programmatic aspects have. I seriously 
>> believe "looks" matter. They are never really passive. They help shape good 
>> realization.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Consider discourse instead of GG

[coda coder]

On Monday, October 7, 2019 at 1:48:21 PM UTC-5, Cd.K wrote:
>
> Personally, I don't like the design of the GitHub user interface either 
> and I was looking for ways to change it.  
>
but now I have come up with a much simpler alternative: 
>
> How about a browser AddOn to redesign the user interface of GitHub?  
>

Ha! Nice outside-the-box thinking. 

Do you think a dedicated Tampermonkey script might work? I imagine it could 
get complicated...

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[tw5] Re: NodeGUI Hosted Tiddlywiki?

[coda coder]

Hi Tony


Am I wrong but is nodegui for coders only?
>
>
Yes. It's akin to NW.js (and Electron). So consider it a "TiddlyDesktop 
alternative" and you'll be on track. right now it's still too early in the 
dev cycle from what I've read, but the mission sounds interesting.
 

>
> Keep sharing your discoveries, and if possible add your own assessment, 
> rather than just a link, even if the assessment comes later.
>

An assessment would be better coming from Arlen, I think - 
TiddlyServer-backed TWs running in NodeGUI would be a nice all-round fit, I 
think. And besides, I really don't have the time these days.

 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Consider discourse instead of GG

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And this, if it hasn't been posted before:

https://blog.discourse.org/2018/11/free-hosting-for-open-source-v2/

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[tw5] Re: OFF TOPIC: from left field-- the people in the know?

[coda coder]

"Josiah is as Josiah does..." -*Ham Gamgee*.

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[tw5] NodeGUI Hosted Tiddlywiki?

[coda coder]

Just wondering who'll be first out of the gate with a NodeGUI hosted 
Tiddlywiki offering...

https://github.com/nodegui/nodegui

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[tw5] Re: Consider discourse instead of GG

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Just wanted to add this thought...

The problem faced by anyone wanting to advocate a move from GG to A.N.Other 
system is one of inertia and momentum. Tiddlywiki on GG has a ton of 
history (inertia) and is well documented (on Tiddlywiki.com). It has all 
the positive inertia and momentum. I don't know how to create momentum out 
of nothing (physics itself would deny it). I can't convince anyone to make 
the move - not even by saying "I've used Discourse daily for almost two 
years and love it." It means nothing to anyone unconvinced about moving or 
changing.

Confession: 

I'm biased. I distrust Google. I distrust Microsoft (GitHub) a little less. 
It's true - Microsoft (in various guises/ways) has provided me a living for 
30+ years. 

I love open source. Tiddlywiki is open source. Discourse is open source. 
#JustSayin

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[tw5] Re: Consider discourse instead of GG

[coda coder]

On Saturday, October 5, 2019 at 10:33:38 AM UTC-5, Cd.K wrote:
>
> Hello coda coder, 
>
> I'd be pleased if you would join the team!
>
>
Codacodr (that's not a typo) 

[Thanks for the nudge, Josiah.]

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[tw5] Re: Action on any button Proof of Concept

[coda coder]

On Tuesday, October 1, 2019 at 6:29:40 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mario and Coda, Thanks for the feedback. 
>
>- I wonder how these alternates stand against my suggestion of hackability 
>through patchability 
>
>.
>
> If you're talking about your tagging idea to extend hackability of core 
buttons... that's on another level entirely. The pseudocode I mentioned is 
nowhere near as powerful. And really, my proposal is only a "nice to have" 
kinda thing.  To a coder (cough) it would "feel right" (well, it does to 
this coder, anyway ;))

 

>
>- Please note for the "action on any button" I propose does not demand 
>any differentiation between pre/main and post actions. It is simply used 
> as 
>a trigger.
>- Can you explain further when and how one would want to 
>differentiation between pre/main and post actions
>
> I stand to be corrected but it seems to me deprecating actions widgets 
> inside buttons is causing more problems than advantages and solves a 
> "problem" not visible to most users and designers.
>

That's true. But I wasn't proposing deprecation of the old method, more an 
"as well as". And it's similar to your tagging approach - if the pre-* 
exists, call it, otherwise do nothing. And of course, when I say "exists", 
it can exist anywhere in the current scope, not necessarily in the same 
tiddler body (much like we approach macros like currentTiddler, for 
example).

And Tony, remember how your tagging method works - the extension mechanism 
you've provided would pull in code from anywhere given a tag match.
 

>
> You are both already talking about fundamental changes to the button 
> widget so it seems revisiting this is almost necessary anyway.
>

Always. Again, "as well as" not "instead of".


> Perhaps another strategy would be to build a new widget, perhaps 
> action-button that has the additional subtlety encoded. Perhaps designed 
> from the ground up so that it works equally well with actions inside the 
> button widgets, so this need not be deprecated.
>

No. Extend, not replace.


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[tw5] Re: Consider discourse instead of GG

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> Did I understand it correctly that we essentially have to install 
discourse on our own server, export the google group posts and import them 
into discourse?

Sorry, I don't know. I have never setup Discourse, I've only used it as a 
user (and moderator, actually).

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[tw5] Re: Consider discourse instead of GG

[coda coder]

Yes, agreed.

Elsewhere, I've used Discourse daily for almost two years. It's a very 
comfortable environment for helping others. 

But the thing I look forward to most, is the ability to turn a post into a 
wiki. That's something that TW users/helpers would find extremely useful.

https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-a-wiki-post/30801

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[tw5] Re: Consider discourse instead of GG

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On Tuesday, October 1, 2019 at 2:47:18 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> The issue would be TRANSITION. The problem is HOW would you move such a 
> large group that have both web users and email users and a large archive to 
> a better forum?
>
 

> *Its a more difficult issue than it first looks like IMO.*
>
 

It can be done.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/julia-users/Ov1J6MOVly0

https://opendatakit.org/2017/06/important-moving-from-google-groups-to-discourse-on-friday/

https://developers.bloomreach.com/blog/2018/moving-the-forum-from-google-groups-to-discourse.html

Others projects using it:

https://blog.discourse.org/2017/05/discourse-for-developer-communities/



 

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[tw5] Re: Consider discourse instead of GG

[coda coder]

+1

Discourse is way way better than GG.

On Tuesday, October 1, 2019 at 11:38:37 AM UTC-5, ILYA wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I know that there is a parallel discussion thread is ongoing about GG.
> However it was mentioned there that alternative solutions are off topic. I 
> do believe that there are better alternatives. One of which is discourse 
> (but there are others). One example of a forum powered by discourse is 
> https://forums.foundationdb.org. Discourse has tagging support which 
> would allow us to find information easier. The software itself is open 
> source and has API to access it programmatically. The discourse.org 
> offers free service for open source projects. In comparison to GG we can 
> backup the forums data and restore it on different hosting if we decide to 
> leave.
>
> Best regards,
> iilyak
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

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[tw5] Re: Action on any button Proof of Concept

[coda coder]

On Tuesday, October 1, 2019 at 12:25:21 PM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
>
>  - pre-actions and
>  - post-actions
>
>
>
Thanks Mario. I had similar thoughts but couldn't find a way to express 
them. Notionally, in my head I had something like this:

<$pre-actions>
<$button ...>
<$post-actions>

which is obviously unworkable. But now I'm seeing:

<$button preactions=<> actions=<> postactions=<
> ...>


I also like this, but I don't know if it's feasible:

\define my-button-pre-actions() ...
\define my-button-actions() ...
\define my-button-post-actions() ...

<$button data-id="my-button"  ...>




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[tw5] Re: Action on any button Proof of Concept

[coda coder]

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 5:27:09 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Please tell me more why you think I should not use tags.


Sorry, Tony. I completely misunderstood how you were using them. Now that 
I've played around with the POC more, I can see better what you've done.  
Good stuff. Me likey. Lots!

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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

[coda coder]

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 4:26:24 PM UTC-5, Cd.K wrote:
>
> coda coder wrote 
>
>>
>> ... innocent sloppy spaces which will "break" the flow. HTML deals with 
>> sloppy spaces itself - something that's been around for what... >25 years? 
>> This idea breaks that.
>>
>  
>
> Have you ever heard of *DARING FIREBALL Markdown*? 
>

No.

I think you think I didn't understand? I do understand your proposition. 
The leading-period I *like*. The trailing space-space I don't like so much 
(for the reasons I gave).


>
> And in HTML there is a tag to preserve white spaces:  ... 
>
> Text in a pre element
> is displayed in a fixed-width
> font, and it preserves
> both  spaces and
> line breaks
> (w3schools.com <https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_pre.asp>)
>

You might also want to try this css interactive demo: 
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/white-space
 

>
> coda coder wrote
>
>>  
>>  Reasoning: When copy-pasting external text, now I have to police the 
>> text at the character level to watch for
>>   
>>
>
> *Which objects do you use in Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5 for your policing? *
>
>
My eyes. My cursor. Looking for space-space that (if your proposal were 
adopted) would mess up my pasted external text. Admittedly, if it were a 
'mode" of some kind, I could choose not to use it, of course. But really, I 
was just pointing out a potential downside. There's nothing intrinsically 
"wrong" with it.


> I'm trying to find the location in TiddlyWiki where the white spaces 
> characters are removed from the  tag. This happens before parsing. I 
> found this while debugging so far: `$tw.Wiki.prototype.
> deserializeTiddlers`.
>
> But even here one space is missing. But this space is definitely present 
> in the html file and also in the tiddler in edit mode. 
>
>
> Can you help me out here too? 
>


Sorry, I know nothing about tw internals or its implementation details. 
Maybe "one day", when I have time ;)


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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

[coda coder]

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 9:15:11 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Coda & TonyM
>
> Interested ... What happens to bits in pale violet ...?
>
> test
> test
> test
> test
>
>
 

> ... in render??
>
> TT
>
> On Saturday, 28 September 2019 15:45:01 UTC+2, coda coder wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 1:56:01 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps my reasoning was wrong but my fix awas correct.
>>>
>>> This works as expected
>>>
>>> 
>>> .parra {display: block}
>>> 
>>>
>>> test
>>> test
>>> test
>>> test
>>>
>>>
>> So does this - try it on tiddlywiki.com
>>
>> 
>> .parra {display: block}
>> 
>>
>> test
>> test
>> test
>> test
>>
>> test
>> test
>> test
>> test
>>
>> test
>> test
>> test
>> test
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Action on any button Proof of Concept

[coda coder]

That's pretty cool, Tony. Something like this (meaning, "if it's there, use 
it") should be in the core. It adds extensibility to the core and increases 
hackability.

Mat - what Tony has done is something akin to the LinkCatcher widget 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#LinkCatcherWidget.

Tony - you might want to look again at LinkCatcher - maybe workout how to 
remove the need for tags?



On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 5:06:18 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mat
>
> The idea is it uses the one macro with a tag name to locate the actions to 
> apply. Adding an action to any existing button requires you taging a 
> tiddler containing the additional actions.
>
> The key is that any number of action tiddlers can be used on any button. 
> Any single action can be used on any nUmberto of buttons. 
>
> In the demo, a log action tiddler is tagged with all buttons custom action 
> tag. As a result every button is using the additional action.
>
> if a simlar solution is placed in the standard distribution, you do not 
> need to modify core tiddlers to add custom actions. just place a tag on 
> your custom actions. This allows multiple macros and plugins to use this 
> mechanisium without clash.
>
> Building your own buttons and other widgets with actions you can use the 
> same mechanism. Rather than hard code actions use the tag mechanisium.
>
> With tags you can add and remove them. You can have a run once by using an 
> action tiddler that removes its own tag. You could even have a chain of 
> such actions.
>
> Does that help?
>
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

[coda coder]

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 1:56:01 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Perhaps my reasoning was wrong but my fix awas correct.
>
> This works as expected
>
> 
> .parra {display: block}
> 
>
> test
> test
> test
> test
>
>
So does this - try it on tiddlywiki.com


.parra {display: block}


test
test
test
test

test
test
test
test

test
test
test
test



 

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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

[coda coder]

Tony,

A p-element is *already* styled display:block automatically. Constructing a 
style attribute or a class with display:block to be applied to a p-element 
is redundant (i.e. it does nothing).

Using your reference site, check for P here: 
https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css_default_values.asp

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 7:00:37 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> CdK
>
> Yes that is happening and this is what we would expect. If rather than use 
> period, I do this myself we get the expected result.
>
> test
> test
> test
> test
>
> I assume your fix is only adding the paragraph tags?
>
> If I use the developer tools inspect I see this in the erroneous results
>   
>   test
> 
> test test .test
>
> I think what is happening is a result of the Wiki text and html see here 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#HTML%20in%20WikiText
>
> Block mode versus Inline mode
>
> To get the content of an HTML element to be parsed in block mode, the 
> opening tag must be followed by two linebreaks.
>
> Without the two linebreaks, the tag content will be parsed in inline mode 
> which means that block mode formatting such as wikitext tables, lists and 
> headings is not recognised.
>
> If you alter our test case as follows it behaves as expected.
> .test
> test
> test
>
> .test
>
> Perhaps we need to force block mode
>
> This demonstrates what I mean
> .test
> test
> test
> .test
> 
> test
> test
> test
> test
>
> So in support of this and as an extension I suggested earlier we could use 
> a class 
>
> 
> .parra {display: block}
> 
>
> test
> test
> test
> test
> Of course the style would be in a stylesheet.
>
> And the designer could change the way our "period" paragraphs are styled.
>
> Additional reference https://www.w3schools.com/css/css_inline-block.asp
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 9:52:46 PM UTC+10, Cd.K wrote:
>>
>> TonyM
>>
>> I discovered the following error in the period rule: 
>>
>> .test
>> test
>> test
>> .test
>>
>>
>> renders as
>>
>> test
>>
>> test test .test
>>
>>
>> expected:
>>
>> test
>>
>>
>> test test
>>
>>
>> test
>>
>> Do you agree?
>>
>> Regards 
>> Cd.K
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 8:40:16 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> CdK,
>>>
>>> I love the operation of the leading period on a 5.1.20 
>>>

>
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Stylesheet Philosophy

[coda coder]

Form the point of view of authoring and maintenance (which is how you're 
asking), I do both.

I too use comments. For larger-grained tw-elements that need a lot of 
styling, I'll use dedicated tiddler-stylesheets for those. For 
"incidentals", (i.e. little nudges) I might add style elements inside a 
macro that needs them. I try to avoid 

For the larger stylesheets, I typically use a sidebar tab dedicated to 
showing them as a list. Then, "muscle-memory" aids me finding what I'm 
looking for.

For the smaller guys, I tend to start in the browser tools inspector to 
remind myself what's going on.

HTH.

On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 1:38:20 PM UTC-5, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> The reason I'm asking this question is because I'm finding my large 
> stylesheet hard to find things sometimes. I do have some comments, but they 
> only slightly helpful. I'm leaning towards the multiple stylesheets, but 
> thought I'd ask what other folks are doing.
>
> Damon
>
>
> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 11:33:13 AM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> This is a generic question on what might be a best practice. When doing 
>> stylesheets to customize your TW, is it better to have all the styles in a 
>> single stylesheet or to have several stylesheets based on what is being 
>> modified. I currently have a mix of both, but was just wondering what the 
>> community does or thinks about this. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Damon
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: brackets drop out when $setting a variable to the result of a filter

[coda coder]

Try...

<$set name="actorList" filter="[[Ghostbusters]get[actors]!enlist[]]" >


This works at tiddlwiki.com:

[tag[Filter Operators]!enlist[]]



On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 12:48:56 PM UTC-5, Michael Gentry wrote:
>
> I have a tiddler called Ghostbusters. It has a field, "actors," containing 
> the following title list: [[Bill Murray]] [[Harold Ramis]] [[Dan Ackroyd]] 
> [[Ernie Hudson]]
>
> Now, if I do this:
>
> <$list filter="[[Ghostbusters]get[actors]]" />
>
> the result is *[[Bill Murray]] [[Harold Ramis]] [[Dan Ackroyd]] [[Ernie 
> Hudson]]* (linked as though it's one long title for a single tiddler, but 
> that's okay for now).
>
> However, if I do *this:*
>
> <$set name="actorList" filter="[[Ghostbusters]get[actors]]" >
>
> <>
>
> 
>
> the result is *[[Bill Murray Harold Ramis Dan Ackroyd Ernie Hudson]]*. 
> Where did the rest of the brackets go?
>

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[tw5] Re: Using stamp to get [[]] with cursor between the brackets like editor button "wrap selection ..." possible?

[coda coder]

On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 1:16:36 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Coda Coder
>
> I am aware of what you are saying but wondering about an automatic ID 
> generation process. If coupled with an automatic TOC within the tiddler 
> linking to such anchors no one even needs to know the ID numbers. They can 
> be generated just in time.
>

If they're non-deterministic, I don't see the benefit. In a link, I won't 
be able to freely target a para with an id that's been auto-generated 
(which will also likely have a different id, "next time").


> For example I have a method of my own to get a serial number for each 
> tiddler, this + an incremental number rendered into the output would give a 
> unique id. 
>

Again, I don't see the benefit. I suspect (can't prove) that's too much 
auto-rewiring to do as the document is being used.

 

> This is speculation of course. Since tiddler titles are unique perhaps it 
> or its Qualified name can be used.
>

I believe that's what the qualify macro is for/why it is needed - get 
around/obviate the need/lack of ids.

 

>
> Are you aware of the work around using "## anchors?" I cant find the 
> reference to it but there is surely a clue in that.
>

No? I'd appreciate a link if you find it.
 

>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 1:13:05 PM UTC+10, coda coder wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:47:57 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> possible futures may include automatic paragraph id setting for 
>>> targeting of a specific paragraph.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> id attributes are persona non grata in tiddlywiki. Transclusion would 
>> create multiple elements with identical ids - a big fat no-no. Same reason 
>> you can't use 
>>
>> stuff
>> ...
>> stuff
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

[coda coder]

Leading period = ok
Trailing space-space = bad. 

Reasoning: When copy-pasting external text, now I have police the text at 
the character level to watch for innocent sloppy spaces which will "break" 
the flow. HTML deals with sloppy spaces itself - something that's been 
around for what... >25 years? This idea breaks that.

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[tw5] Re: Using stamp to get [[]] with cursor between the brackets like editor button "wrap selection ..." possible?

[coda coder]

Hi Tony

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 5:47:57 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> possible futures may include automatic paragraph id setting for targeting 
> of a specific paragraph.
>
>
>
id attributes are persona non grata in tiddlywiki. Transclusion would 
create multiple elements with identical ids - a big fat no-no. Same reason 
you can't use 

stuff
...
stuff


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[tw5] Re: Today TiddlyWiki is 15 years old

[coda coder]

Joyous... and many happy returns to you both.

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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

[coda coder]

Sorry, I should have mentioned, it needs to be a macro. 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Macros%20in%20WikiText

At the top of your tiddler:

\define my-macro() 

<$set name=pattern value="201909(0[1-9]|1[0-4])">
<$list filter="[regexp:created]">



\end



Then, somewhere lower down (below all other macros if you have more than 
one) ...

<>

You can rename my-macro to anything that suits you: date-thing, if you want.


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[tw5] Re: Task: Filter all tiddlers created between 01.09.2019 and 15.09.2019. How/where to find information/documentation to get this task done?

[coda coder]

You need to set a variable to contain anything that clashes with TW's 
filter syntax (usually [ ] and { } etc)

<$set name=pattern value="201909(0[1-9]|1[0-4])">
<$list filter="[regexp:created]">







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[tw5] Re: What's the point of effort?

[coda coder]

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 6:22:53 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> *For beginners* I often wondered why we don't go for a FAQ format with 
> Questions and Answers.
> It would be much easier to contribute to.
>
>>
>>
This. 

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[tw5] Re: Lost Tiddly that I need back

[coda coder]

https://tiddlywiki.com?x=123

You can automate this via a batch file, using the system datetime (for 
example) instead of having to think up a new unique value.

https://www.keycdn.com/support/what-is-cache-busting



On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 4:41:04 PM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>
> coda coder wrote:
>>
>> Are you by any chance on FF - in which case this 
>>> <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4239> might be the 
>>> problem?
>>>
>>
>> Hey Mat - did you try path/my-wiki?x=something-unique
>>
>
> I don't even understand what you're talking about. Probably something with 
> TW on node.js, which I don't use... I typically put my TWs on Tiddlyspot 
> but I'd guess(!) the problem would be the same from a local (singlefile) 
> TW. Is your magic incantation still something for me? appreciated, 
> regardless.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Lost Tiddly that I need back

[coda coder]

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 10:04:13 AM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>
>
> Are you by any chance on FF - in which case this 
>  might be the 
> problem?
>

Hey Mat - did you try path/my-wiki?x=something-unique


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[tw5] Re: Leading "." (period) for line break @TonyM

[coda coder]

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 10:28:29 AM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>
> In another thread, fellow TonyM wrote:
>
> I have tried to seek support to at least in my own wiki introduce a 
>> leading "." period to wikitext that does the same as ";" without the bold. 
>> Basically a leading period would wrap the line in 
>> .This is a line or paragraph
>>
>> Would render (not insert)
>> This is a line or paragraph
>>
>
> Where did you seek this support?
>
>
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywikidev/cf0D9mbvi8g 

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[tw5] Re: Competition for v5.1.22 artwork

[coda coder]

Just for fun...

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Re: [tw5] Re: Query: How do I filter to extract content in CONTENT in the text field?

[coda coder]

Bango!

(Like bingo but with more bang).

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 1:36:38 PM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> Eble ...
>
> \define q(tid, tagname)
> <$list filter="""[{$tid$}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
> ]splitregexp[<$tagname$.*?>]butfirst[1]]""" variable=item>
> <$list filter="""[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]""" variable=
> item2>
> <$text text=<>/>
> 
> 
> \end
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 10:57:22 AM UTC-7, coda coder wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Josiah for proxy-handling this!
>>
>> Thanks Mark - that's pretty much nailed it.
>>
>> Can you think of/see a way to condense this into *one* macro?
>>
>> \define q-f1(tid, tagname) [{$tid$}splitregexp[\n]join[ ]splitregexp[<
>> $tagname$.*?>]butfirst[1]]
>> \define q-f2(tagname) [splitregexp[]butlast[1]]
>>
>>
>> \define q(tid, tagname)
>> <$list filter=<> variable=item>
>> <$list filter=<> variable=item2>
>> <$text text=<>/>
>> 
>> 
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 11:58:49 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> You don't seem to need realchars for this. So:
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[{mas01}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
>>> ]splitregexp[]butfirst[1]]" 
>>> variable=item>
>>> <$list filter="[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]" variable=item2>
>>> <$text text=<>/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually, now I wonder if the original code was undertested.
>>>>
>>>> You need a nested list inside the first one:
>>>>
>>>> <$vars realchars="[^\s]+">
>>>> <$list filter="[{mas01}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
>>>> ]splitregexp[]butfirst[1]]" 
>>>> variable=item>
>>>> <$list filter="[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]" variable=item2>
>>>> <$text text=<>/>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> In this example {mas01} refers to a tiddler with your test text.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 7:48:20 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay. Let's hope. xxx
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:34:35 UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TT
>>>>>> This needs a little script.
>>>>>> My find macro already do this. But it possible with regexp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's see what Mark has to say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 6:59 PM @TiddlyTweeter  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not really getting anywhere on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe TW filters are INCAPABLE of discarding text?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to know. The issue is this ... 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need CONTENT 1-3 returning, but nothing else... 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CONTENT 1 text not wanted CONTENT 2  text not 
>>>>>>> wanted CONTENT 3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could not work out how to do that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Query: How do I filter to extract content in CONTENT in the text field?

[coda coder]

Thanks to Josiah for proxy-handling this!

Thanks Mark - that's pretty much nailed it.

Can you think of/see a way to condense this into *one* macro?

\define q-f1(tid, tagname) [{$tid$}splitregexp[\n]join[ ]splitregexp[<
$tagname$.*?>]butfirst[1]]
\define q-f2(tagname) [splitregexp[]butlast[1]]


\define q(tid, tagname)
<$list filter=<> variable=item>
<$list filter=<> variable=item2>
<$text text=<>/>


\end

<>



.

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 11:58:49 AM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> You don't seem to need realchars for this. So:
>
> <$list filter="[{mas01}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
> ]splitregexp[]butfirst[1]]" 
> variable=item>
> <$list filter="[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]" variable=item2>
> <$text text=<>/>
> 
> 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 9:21:08 AM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Actually, now I wonder if the original code was undertested.
>>
>> You need a nested list inside the first one:
>>
>> <$vars realchars="[^\s]+">
>> <$list filter="[{mas01}splitregexp[\n]join[ 
>> ]splitregexp[]butfirst[1]]" 
>> variable=item>
>> <$list filter="[splitregexp[]butlast[1]]" variable=item2>
>> <$text text=<>/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> In this example {mas01} refers to a tiddler with your test text.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 7:48:20 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay. Let's hope. xxx
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:34:35 UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:

 TT
 This needs a little script.
 My find macro already do this. But it possible with regexp

 Let's see what Mark has to say.

 On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, 6:59 PM @TiddlyTweeter  
 wrote:

> I'm not really getting anywhere on this.
>
> Maybe TW filters are INCAPABLE of discarding text?
>
> I'd like to know. The issue is this ... 
>
> I need CONTENT 1-3 returning, but nothing else... 
>>
>  
>
> CONTENT 1 text not wanted CONTENT 2  text not 
> wanted CONTENT 3
>
>   
>>
>> I could not work out how to do that.
>>
>
> TT
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Can we prefill known tags?

[coda coder]

With a tiddler open for *viewing*, click on the tag of interest. Choose the 
top entry. This opens a tiddler with the tag-name as its title. Edit it and 
add some text. Repeat for each tag.

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[tw5] Re: Philosophy & TW -- Title v. Content

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On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 5:30:38 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
>
> 1 - How do I SEE all lines containing "Willowy"?
>

In bk-tw I use Mark S's various split* filters for that, typically +/- 50 
or 100 chars so I get some surrounding context. (Not sure your generation 
of bk-tw has that).


The macro/filter (edited for brevity and evolved a little since Mark wrote 
it) goes like this:

\define toc-get-text-context(find)
<$set name=f value=
'[titleget[text]regexps[(?g)(\w|\s|\,|\.|\-|“|”|\`|\?|\x22|\x27|\/\/){1,50}$find$(\w|\s|\,|\.|\-|“|”|\`|\?|\x22|\x27|\/\/){1,100}]first[5]]'
>

Sections

<$list filter='[all[tiddlers]tag[toc]!tag[bk-doc]nsort[chapter]]' 
variable=foundTiddler>
<$list filter=<> variable=text>
...<>... 
(<>) [<$link 
to=<>><>]


...



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Re: [tw5] Re: Announcing Tiddlywiki and regexp Examples: Documentation wiki

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On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 1:40:41 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
>  I have already published a macro to find all macros and show them in a 
> useful format!
> Have a look at Yazd wiki!
>

link?

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[tw5] Re: (HowTo) use Google Fonts in your Tiddlers

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On Saturday, August 31, 2019 at 8:52:49 AM UTC-5, Mohamed Amin wrote:
>
>
>  rel='stylesheet'>
>  rel='stylesheet'>
>  rel='stylesheet'>
>  rel='stylesheet'>
> 
>
>
Just pointing out, if you place the link elements in a tiddler and tag it 
$:/tags/RawMarkup they will be available everywhere.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Make search results less persistent

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Create a tiddler called anything-you-like but give it the tag 
$:/tags/StartupAction

Put this in the tiddler text field:

<$action-setfield $tiddler="$:/temp/search" $value=""/>

Save and reopen your wiki.


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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

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Thanks Mark.

Yes. I do similar things already. But where I'm coming from (and Mario) is 
that traditional macros do not aid writing "free text", i.e. *prose*. 

In fact, I think it was you that wrote the paragraph regex I'm already 
using (out of which came regexps, if i remember correctly).

Ring any bells?

\define toc-get-text-context(find)
<$set name=f value=
'[titleget[text]regexps[(?g)(\w|\s|\,|\.|\-|“|”|\`|\?|\x22|\x27|\/\/){1,50}$find$(\w|\s|\,|\.|\-|“|”|\`|\?|\x22|\x27|\/\/){1,100}]first[5]]'
>

Sections

...and it goes on...



Sincere aplogies to Josiah for having hijacked his thread :(

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 1:09:33 PM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> You know, you could already do something sort of like that with macros:
>
> \define show-macro(macro)
> <$reveal type="match" state=<> text="show">
>
> <<$macro$>>
> 
> <$button set=<>  setTo="show">Show
> <$button set=<>  setTo="hide">Hide
>
>
> \end
>
> \define GAN-010()
> !! The Great Anhk-Porkian Novel
>
> The waters of the Anhk River were flowing briskly that day. Which meant, 
> for most of the neighborhood, that they could function as a form of 
> moving sidewalk. Albeit, one you might be stuck to forever.
>
> \end
> \define GAN-020()
> !!! A Chat with DEATH
>
> But the flow of the river matched the slower, more leisurely flow of 
> photons from the Desk World sun. The flight flowing slower, necessarily 
> putting an upper limit on everyone's activities, per the  Anne Stein's 
> law of Relativity. To wit, if you were a relative of Anne Stein, the 
> curvaceous bar-maid, then maybe you better make your order and hurry up 
> with it.
>
> At the end of the bar sat a tall, lonely figure wearing a black shroud, a 
> permanent grin, and a large toupee. 
>  
> \end
>
> <>
> <>
>
> If there was a way to find all the macros inside a tiddler, then you 
> wouldn't need to individually invoke them.
>
> --Mark
>
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 9:56:57 AM UTC-7, coda coder wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 10:41:59 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 4:13:39 PM UTC+2, coda coder wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm, That's a similar thought as I posted in the thread: IDEA 
>>> Multi-line Fields ... Possible implementation 
>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/42_bWs-f2YY>
>>>
>>>
>> Ha! almost identical :)
>>  
>>
>>> Defining prose text like this, would make it technically accessible.
>>>
>>
>> That's the key - addressability.
>>  
>>
>>> ... But there wouldn't be the "beauty" of a continuous writing process. 
>>>
>>>
>> Agreed. But I don't see a way around that. I guess something like @@ 
>> could be used (or !headings again, which terminate at the next identical 
>> !heading or end of field).
>>
>> But, to be clear, I was suggesting \define-section be used *inline*, not 
>> at the start of the text like macros:
>>
>> Stuff and things
>>
>> \define-section my-section
>> More stuff
>> \end
>>
>> And more things
>>
>>
>> Then the transclusion previously mentioned digs them out (or they're 
>> double-stored in data-fields for easier lookup/retrieval).
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

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Thanks Mohammad.

Yes, I use Thomas' extract and a few other bits I've cobbled together over 
the years. I'll give find/slice a look.

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 11:59:20 AM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> look here
>  https://kookma.github.io/find-macro/#demo%2Ffind%2Fslice
>
> This is an example of partial transclusion! Only what you need is to use 
> appropriate delimiter!
> For example
>
> ! h1
>
> !! h2
>
> !h3
>
>
> can use ! as delimiter!
>
> There is another solution by Thomas Telmiger called Extract.
>
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 6:43:39 PM UTC+4:30, coda coder wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 7:25:33 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 4:50:11 PM UTC+2, coda coder wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> So, in my view...
>>>>
>>>> A "good fragment" is, *generally speaking,* something that "belongs" 
>>>> in a field.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I do like the quotes around your "belongs"!
>>>
>>
>> Yep. ;) 
>>
>>
>>> IMO with TW5 this is a technical reason and it shouldn't be that way. 
>>> ... It should be much more user friendly. 
>>>
>>>
>> Agreed. I too think we lost something when TWC's heading-sections didn't 
>> make it into the TW5 model.
>>
>> I do use custom tags to create a poor-man's version of sections within a 
>> text - but individual addressability is not possible.
>>
>> In my dreams, this would work:
>>
>> {{tiddler-name[!!optional-field]..section-name}}
>>
>> And in markup...
>>
>> \define-section my-section
>>
>> Stuff and things
>>
>> \end
>>
>> Or, perhaps,
>>
>> 
>>
>> More stuff
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

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On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 10:41:59 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 4:13:39 PM UTC+2, coda coder wrote:
>
> Hmmm, That's a similar thought as I posted in the thread: IDEA Multi-line 
> Fields ... Possible implementation 
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/42_bWs-f2YY>
>
>
Ha! almost identical :)
 

> Defining prose text like this, would make it technically accessible.
>

That's the key - addressability.
 

> ... But there wouldn't be the "beauty" of a continuous writing process. 
>
>
Agreed. But I don't see a way around that. I guess something like @@ could 
be used (or !headings again, which terminate at the next identical !heading 
or end of field).

But, to be clear, I was suggesting \define-section be used *inline*, not at 
the start of the text like macros:

Stuff and things

\define-section my-section
More stuff
\end

And more things


Then the transclusion previously mentioned digs them out (or they're 
double-stored in data-fields for easier lookup/retrieval).

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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

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On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 7:25:33 AM UTC-5, PMario wrote:
>
> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 4:50:11 PM UTC+2, coda coder wrote:
> ...
>
>> So, in my view...
>>
>> A "good fragment" is, *generally speaking,* something that "belongs" in 
>> a field.
>>
>
> I do like the quotes around your "belongs"!
>

Yep. ;) 


> IMO with TW5 this is a technical reason and it shouldn't be that way. ... 
> It should be much more user friendly. 
>
>
Agreed. I too think we lost something when TWC's heading-sections didn't 
make it into the TW5 model.

I do use custom tags to create a poor-man's version of sections within a 
text - but individual addressability is not possible.

In my dreams, this would work:

{{tiddler-name[!!optional-field]]..section-name}}

And in markup...

\define-section my-section

Stuff and things

\end

Or, perhaps,



More stuff





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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

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On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 10:14:13 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> I think you are right. That context connection allows back to "holism". We 
> rebuild her by orientation like this. *Though our next "whole" maybe 
> slightly over cleansed* :-)
>
>
Or outgrow it's original/intended purpose ;)

And just to beat this analogy to death...

A TW is a molecule, perhaps a long-chain molecule. Its "physics" governed 
by its rules (filters). 

A TWederation (or TW Farm as mooted earlier in another thread) might be 
seen as a compound.

A tiddler can be viewed as an atom or a molecule, depending -- 

but like all analogies (and some elements), they can be unstable ;)


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[tw5] Re: [Thoughts] The Philosophy of "Units" & TW "data"

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Great question.

On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 9:13:24 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I tagged this as "offtopic", but I don't think it is.
>
>
Me neither. It's central to TW philosophy and TW design/programming.

There is a deep philosophical PROBLEM with fragments---as with any strong 
> approach. 
>
> *HOW small is a good fragment? And how would you know?*
>
>
>
It's context-dependent. 

TW's "elementary particle" is the field (not the tiddler), in my view. Most 
especially when viewed from a metadata perspective.

The beauty in TW's overall approach is shown in its query language 
(filters), its "algebra", where metadata choices "drive" filter choices, 
which provide for ("serve") the intended purpose.

Through a wider lens, transclusion at the tiddler-text-field level is a 
design choice made on a context-by-context basis. For example, I perform 
far more transclusions in technical guides and documentation TWs than my 
personal, note-taking wikis (bk-tw as you know, Josiah, also makes 
infrequent use of transclusion at the tiddler-text-field level, but at the 
metadata/field level it uses tons of transclusions).

So, in my view...

A "good fragment" is, *generally speaking,* something that "belongs" in a 
field.

And "how I know" is dictated by: purpose, context, knowledge of the algebra 
and personal experience ("taste").

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[tw5] Re: Issues Arising - Backup to help UNdo

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On Saturday, August 17, 2019 at 8:49:55 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote: 
>
> By the way leveraging local storage to retain something you may want to 
> undo in the current session [...] also has some merit.
>
>
>
Now that's inspired. Thanks Tony.
 

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[tw5] Re: Query: Looking for Example Wiki of Software Documentation

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Bank
Stash
Recover
Sync
Sanction
Unify
Unite
Alloy
Combine
Consolidate

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and regexp

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https://regex101.com/

You can even save/share your regexes.

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[tw5] Re: Competition for v5.1.21 artwork

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[tw5] Re: Upgrade Issue

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On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 5:17:02 PM UTC-5, mervin mecklenburg wrote:
>
>
> Here is what happens when I attempt to upgrade.  I download the upgrade 
> mechanism from https://tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html and pull in the wiki, 
> as is required.  The mechanism appears to process the wiki, as it should, 
> But instead of providing a list of tiddlers, it returns the tittle of the 
> entire Tiddlywiki file.  So, the mechanism appears to handle the entire 
> tiddlywiki as a single tiddler, and the upgrade fails.
>

It's a bug I noticed a while back. Does it look like this?


In my case, as you cane see, my file does not have an extension. If I add 
the *.html* extension, it works fine.

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[tw5] Re: Fix for Firefox Screwup

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Hi Tony

With any luck, you'll never know anything happened. But it must be said, 
this was probably Mozilla's biggest ever screwup and it isn't over yet. 
Temporary glitch it maybe, but that doesn't mean "quick". Reading the bug 
reports on Bugzilla, there are many subtleties here not evident when they 
first sent out the fix(es). And droves of people are posting how badly 
they're suffering as a result. The Firefox twitter feed has dried up, 
nothing new since early May 4th (despite them singing off with "More to 
come soon").

For me, the fix I posted up top worked instantly on Win7. It didn't work 
for me on Win10 - no idea why.

Tor folks should go to the Tor blog. They have an about:config fix which, 
with caution, you can apply.

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 8:10:18 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Coda,
>
> Is this problem occurring on general release as well?
>
> I won't need my desktop firefox for a few days but I want to be ready for 
> my return in 4 days.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [OT] Fox Apocalypse Deux

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My take is, the "temporary glitch" isn't so temporary for security 
conscious people that have "Studies" disabled. 

On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Just to be clear, everything I'm reading suggests that this is a temporary 
> glitch that Mozilla are working to fix. Hopefully it's only a 
> fauxpocalypse...
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> --
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> jer...@jermolene.com 
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 4 May 2019, at 08:32, @TiddlyTweeter > 
> wrote:
>
> Mark S.
>
> Thanks for that note!
>
> Geez. Talk about complications! I had naively been under the naive 
> impression the security issues were solved.
>
> FYI, I still haven't fully recovered browser utility from the last 
> Armageddon.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
> On Saturday, 4 May 2019 04:00:00 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> People (including one where I am) are reporting that their Firefox 
>> extensions are being disabled. This might be a temporary problem that 
>> resolves itself. As a safeguard, you might be
>> able to set
>>
>> xpinstall.signatures.required
>>
>> in the about:config menu to false
>>
>> You would want to do this only temporarily since it poses a security risk 
>> for adding future extensions and updates.
>>
>> This trick does not work in FF for Windows -- instead you need the 
>> nightly build.
>>
>> Another trick being reported is to roll the clock back to before 
>> midnight, UTC-0, today 5/4 (I think, since strangely my machines aren't 
>> experiencing the problem yet).
>>
>> Here's one commentary thread about the issue:
>>
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/bkfy5k/as_of_1200_am_utc_nearly_all_firefox_extensions/
>>
>>
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[tw5] Fix for Firefox Screwup

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https://storage.googleapis.com/moz-fx-normandy-prod-addons/extensions/hotfix-update-xpi-intermediate%40mozilla.com-1.0.2-signed.xpi

Source: 
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/05/04/update-regarding-add-ons-in-firefox/comment-page-6/#comment-226171

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[tw5] Re: Firefox screwup

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I did do a search on Firefox Mark, didn't show up. Believe me, I don't need 
to be doing this.

Anyway, here's the hotfix if you don't want to wait 6+ hours or enable 
"Studies"

https://storage.googleapis.com/moz-fx-normandy-prod-addons/extensions/hotfix-update-xpi-intermediate%40mozilla.com-1.0.2-signed.xpi


On Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 12:33:36 PM UTC-5, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I posted about this 8 hours ago "[OT] Fox Apocalypse Deux 
> "
>
> For me, the "fix" didn't work. Possibly because I used the OverNight 
> build. FF removed all the extensions EXCEPT for the ones that I had 
> disabled. 
>
> Now I'm trying to recall what extensions I had and re-install them one by 
> one.
>
> After this, I think I'm going to have a look at Vivaldi. What does it say 
> about the competence of an organization if they can neglect renewing a 
> certificate -- a certificate that they had forced developers to use in the 
> first place?
>
>

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[tw5] Firefox screwup

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Just an FYI for those using addons to save tiddlywiki (e.g. Timimi). 
Mozilla have screwed up some kind of background installation overnight 
which killed pretty much all addons in Firefox.

If you are affected or think you might be, read this:

https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2019/05/04/update-regarding-add-ons-in-firefox/

In particular, *pay attention to the information about Studies and make 
sure it is enabled to receive the imminent hotfix.*

That's it from me at the scene, we now return you back to the studio. 
Jeremy?


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[tw5] Re: Systems Design Strategy - Centralised logic

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Hi Tony

You're right, this is a problem area of sorts. However, I'm trying to 
justify/compare your approach with PMario's Bundles system, which allows 
ad-hoc collections of tiddlers garnered from pretty much anywhere.

Thoughts?


On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 6:41:20 PM UTC-6, TonyM wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I just wanted to start a thread on "Centralised logic" in TiddlyWiki, it 
> is a systems design pattern I am interested in developing.
>
> *Background*
>
> TiddlyWiki allows rapid and open development, prototyping and design. It 
> is possible to code Various logical tests and responses throughout the 
> wiki. This is great for ad hoc solutions.
>
> For example You may have a tiddler that lists done tasks, in which the 
> logic to determine what is done is coded, and another tiddler with the 
> logic for Work in Progress.
>
> However when you want to transfer logic, business rules, tests and 
> conditions between wikis you have to go in search of this logical content 
> in one or more places.
>
> *Objective*
> Discuss and document some suggested best practice so such logic can be 
> placed in a small number of locations and subsequently referenced from any 
> location such that if you wish to change or enhance the rules and logic you 
> need only change it once.
>
> Open the ability to share logic independently of its application in 
> private wikis.
>
> *Example*
> In one tiddler tagged $:/tags/Macro define a set of logical filters
>
> \define is-task() [tiddler-type[task]
> \define new-task() 
> [tiddler-type[task]!has[item-started]!has[item-completed]!has[item-cancelled]]
> \define active-task() 
> "[tiddler-type[task]has[item-started]!has[item-completed]!has[item-cancelled]]
> \define completed-task() [tiddler-type[task]has[item-completed]]
> \define in-context() [domain{!!domain}project{!!project}client{!!client}]
> \define new-task-in-context() <> 
> +[domain{!!domain}project{!!project}client{!!client}]
>
>
> In this case each tiddler will have a field time stamped as needed eg 
> item-started item-completed or item-cancelled
>
> Then in a List filter you could use
>
> <$list filter="[is[current]subfilter]">
>
> Show if current task is a new task
> ](url)
>
>
> <$list filter="[subfilter]">
> List all new tasks not started, closed or completed
> 
>
> <$list filter="[subfiltersubfilter]">
> List all new tasks not started, closed or completed in the same "context" as 
> the current tiddler.
> 
>
>
>
> *Benefits*
>
>
>1. You can see in the above the "definition" of a new-task is encoded in 
> the first tiddler, and can be changed without reference to all the locations 
> where it is used.
>2. Simply transferring the first tiddler to another wiki allows you to 
> continue using the logic you developed in the first wiki, including sharing 
> it with the community.
>
> *Discussion*
> The above is one example of this design pattern, I hope in this tread we can 
> discuss others that will help the rapid transfer of design logic between 
> wikis and community members. 
> My Example could be called a "subfilter set".
>
> Personally I am interested in an open "field definition" pattern., I have a 
> great deal of prework done on this.
>
> *What other coding patterns would be useful in a similar way to the above?*
>
> Thanks in advance
> Tony
>
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Nine failed attempts to make a permalink

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On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 9:20:50 AM UTC-6, Joe Armstrong wrote:
>
>
>
> How did you discover this? is this documented anywhere?
>
>
>
Hey Joe (sin't that a song?)

https://tiddlywiki.com/#HTML%20in%20WikiText

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[tw5] Re: Sonix.ai experiment

[coda coder]

That widget.js is a hefty lump of minimized javascript - the player is 
likely in there.

On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 4:30:27 PM UTC-6, AlexHough wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Sonix.ai have kindly donated an hour of transcription time. My approach 
> here is to use Sonix in an art project, an installation along with Sonic Pi 
> ... practice as research they call it...
>
> I'd like to be able to embed their media player. You can see an example on 
> the link [1] below. However I am not sure where to put the javascript. 
> Below is a screenshot
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2018-12-12 at 22.26.08.png]
>
> *Research Tool?*
>
> I think it could be good for working with transcribing audio where tagging 
> fragments of text are coded and tagged...
>
>
>
> best wishes
>
> Alex
>
> [1] https://sonix.ai/how-to-capture-great-audio
>
> Note: the javascript seems to just be for formating i can't see how it 
> produces a media player
>
>
> 
>   (function(s,o,n,i,x) {
> if(s[n])return;s[n]=true;
> var 
> j=o.createElement('script');j.type='text/javascript',j.async=true,j.src=i,o.head.appendChild(j);
> var 
> css=o.createElement("link");css.type="text/css",css.rel="stylesheet",css.href=x,o.head.appendChild(css)
>   })(window,document, "__sonix",'//sonix.ai/widget.js','//
> sonix.ai/widget.css');
> 
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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