Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[TonyM]

David/Anne-laure,

 parallel space for side by side viewing / editing.


Forgive me but this sounds like tiddlywiki preview mode in the editor on a 
wide screen tiddlywiki.

I also share other hints and tips recently including open in new window 
etc... but wonder if anyone read them?

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 10:07:06 PM UTC+10, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Shiraz, that is interesting! That certainly feels like Roam, but in 
> a TiddlyWiki kind of way.
>
> But doesn't it lock one into using that one tiddler to open other tiddlers 
> that way? Anne-Laure is looking for a way to open a link from *any* 
> tiddler into a parallel space for side by side viewing / editing.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:08:55 AM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Shiraz has the muticolumn story river feature.
>>
>> No exactly like what Saq Imtiaz has done but very close to it is existed 
>> in *Shiraz*
>> To reproduce do as below
>>
>>1. Open Shiraz demo page: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/
>>2. From right side bar, More tab and then Shiraz tab and under 
>>Options click multicolumn story river
>>3. Next import the attached example tiddlers
>>4. open Story and Then TOC and then close all other tiddlers
>>5. Now click on every item in the list of TOC it will open on the 
>>right
>>6. Edit the TOC if you like to resemble Tiddlywiki story river 
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Alexei R]

[IDEA] Optional system-wide case-insensitivity for titles, links and tags 
#4612 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4612

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:22:13 AM UTC+3, springer wrote:
>
> Anne-Laure, it sounds like what you might love (unless I'm projecting??) 
> is the kind of automatic (no brackets needed) virtual linking that used to 
> be possible with TW Classic (years ago!) but which is harder to reconstruct 
> with the new (much more careful and efficient) TW5 core. My own interest 
> comes from managing a teaching wiki with lots of implicit cross-references 
> (where many terms have technical meaning), plus lots of occasions to paste 
> in pre-existing text from other sources, where on-the-fly links would be 
> ideal...
>
> There's a discussion I started here... 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/X6vayokdfgE ... and 
> Jeremy and others have made progress towards ways of getting TW5 to act 
> like this. I think it's called "freelinks" plugin, though its initial build 
> can get slow on a large wiki (and doesn't embrace alias[es] field) so I'm 
> not currently running with it... 
>
> Once it can be extended to embrace aliases and/or to allow 
> case-insensitivity (Premises and premises and premisses etc., as well as 
> any premise, for example, should just automatically links to my definition 
> tiddler titled "premise" as if I had gone through and added 
> double-brackets) -- and if it can do all that without getting terribly 
> bogged down on a large-ish wiki -- I'll be over the moon with delight.
>
> -E Springer
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 8:40:29 PM UTC-4, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> So I'm using TiddlyBlink  by 
>> Dave Gifford (thank you!)
>>
>> It's currently showing the explicit linked references at the bottom of 
>> the articles, which is awesome.
>>
>> Is there a way to:
>>
>>1. Show the implicit / unliked references, e.g. the word was 
>>mentioned but not proactively put into double brackets
>>2. Create explicit links from the page I'm on, i.e. convert implicit 
>>into explicit links
>>
>> Very inspired by the wonderful Roam Research I've been using for a few 
>> months and also recommend—its only issue is that it's not open source.
>>
>> Here  is a demo of what I mean.
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Mat]

Apropos multiple story rivers, it's worth noting that Jeremy is currently 
working on a new page template 
 where the drafted 
ideas include very simple ways to add multiple story rivers and other page 
components. If you have or thoughts on it, do contribute there.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[David Gifford]

That is really great. I want to sit on this a couple days, to think about 
this.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 12:09:30 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> No worries Dave. I've posted a mimimal version of my two story setup. If 
> you need help adapting that to your substory in a tab just drop me a line.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 6:53:01 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> No apologies needed, Saq! I should have included a wink or smile emoji. I 
>> am just excited to see this at just the right time, when we are trying to 
>> look at ways to include Roam-like functionality.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:44:18 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> Link to follow in a separate thread so as to not derail conversation 
>>> much further here.
>>>
>>> David: apologies. I have always aspired to share with the community as 
>>> much as possible, however life circumstances over the last two years have 
>>> made that difficult. I shared a video of this setup in late 2017 and by now 
>>> I had fully expected that this would be a commonplace implementation, which 
>>> also contributed to my not prioritizing cleaning up my two story 
>>> implementation and sharing it. The TiddlyWiki core makes this extremely 
>>> easy with just a few missing pieces. Jeremy has done a great job at 
>>> avoiding the limitations we had back in TWC for multiple stories. 
>>>
>>> Mohammad: The UI could be cleaner and more refined. In fact, this was 
>>> done more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI would be 
>>> significantly different. I implemented this partly as an exercise in 
>>> learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it worked better 
>>> than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking the time to 
>>> refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms of code and 
>>> CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the sidebar is 
>>> hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one stop layout. 
>>> It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920+ width)
>>>
>>> It is on my list to clean this up in the near future and add a few 
>>> improvements like automatically opening the second story, if it is closed, 
>>> when I shift + click a link along with various other learnings from 
>>> experience of working with this the last couple of years.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:29:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 Saq I am now officially drooling. You have been holding out on us, man!


 On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>
> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>
> [image: tw-substory.png]
>
> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the 
> tiddler 
> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>
> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some 
> JS code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been 
> improvements 
> in the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed 
> some 
> of this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that 
> until 
> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was 
> introducing 
> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 
>
> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup 
> down to the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening 
> tiddlers in the substory.
> Regards,
> Saq
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>
>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>>
>>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same 
>>> features as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a 
>>> streamlined, inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close 
>>> every tiddler. Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and 
>>> edittemplate to the listwidget controlling the story, you can get the 
>>> exact 
>>> same interface as well. 
>>>
>>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story 
>>> try the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>>
>>> <$list 

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Saq Imtiaz]

No worries Dave. I've posted a mimimal version of my two story setup. If 
you need help adapting that to your substory in a tab just drop me a line.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 6:53:01 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> No apologies needed, Saq! I should have included a wink or smile emoji. I 
> am just excited to see this at just the right time, when we are trying to 
> look at ways to include Roam-like functionality.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:44:18 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Link to follow in a separate thread so as to not derail conversation much 
>> further here.
>>
>> David: apologies. I have always aspired to share with the community as 
>> much as possible, however life circumstances over the last two years have 
>> made that difficult. I shared a video of this setup in late 2017 and by now 
>> I had fully expected that this would be a commonplace implementation, which 
>> also contributed to my not prioritizing cleaning up my two story 
>> implementation and sharing it. The TiddlyWiki core makes this extremely 
>> easy with just a few missing pieces. Jeremy has done a great job at 
>> avoiding the limitations we had back in TWC for multiple stories. 
>>
>> Mohammad: The UI could be cleaner and more refined. In fact, this was 
>> done more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI would be 
>> significantly different. I implemented this partly as an exercise in 
>> learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it worked better 
>> than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking the time to 
>> refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms of code and 
>> CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the sidebar is 
>> hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one stop layout. 
>> It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920+ width)
>>
>> It is on my list to clean this up in the near future and add a few 
>> improvements like automatically opening the second story, if it is closed, 
>> when I shift + click a link along with various other learnings from 
>> experience of working with this the last couple of years.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:29:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Saq I am now officially drooling. You have been holding out on us, man!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.

 Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:

 [image: tw-substory.png]

 Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
 tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler 
 in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
 drag and drop tiddlers between stories.

 The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS 
 code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements 
 in 
 the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some 
 of 
 this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until 
 just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was 
 introducing 
 a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
 of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 

 Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down 
 to the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in 
 the substory.
 Regards,
 Saq




 On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>
> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>
>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>
>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same 
>> features as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a 
>> streamlined, inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close 
>> every tiddler. Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and 
>> edittemplate to the listwidget controlling the story, you can get the 
>> exact 
>> same interface as well. 
>>
>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try 
>> the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>
>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>
>> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
>> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
>> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Obviously the 

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[David Gifford]

No apologies needed, Saq! I should have included a wink or smile emoji. I 
am just excited to see this at just the right time, when we are trying to 
look at ways to include Roam-like functionality.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:44:18 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Link to follow in a separate thread so as to not derail conversation much 
> further here.
>
> David: apologies. I have always aspired to share with the community as 
> much as possible, however life circumstances over the last two years have 
> made that difficult. I shared a video of this setup in late 2017 and by now 
> I had fully expected that this would be a commonplace implementation, which 
> also contributed to my not prioritizing cleaning up my two story 
> implementation and sharing it. The TiddlyWiki core makes this extremely 
> easy with just a few missing pieces. Jeremy has done a great job at 
> avoiding the limitations we had back in TWC for multiple stories. 
>
> Mohammad: The UI could be cleaner and more refined. In fact, this was done 
> more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI would be 
> significantly different. I implemented this partly as an exercise in 
> learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it worked better 
> than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking the time to 
> refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms of code and 
> CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the sidebar is 
> hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one stop layout. 
> It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920+ width)
>
> It is on my list to clean this up in the near future and add a few 
> improvements like automatically opening the second story, if it is closed, 
> when I shift + click a link along with various other learnings from 
> experience of working with this the last couple of years.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:29:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Saq I am now officially drooling. You have been holding out on us, man!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>>
>>> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>>>
>>> [image: tw-substory.png]
>>>
>>> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
>>> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler 
>>> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
>>> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>>>
>>> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS 
>>> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in 
>>> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of 
>>> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until 
>>> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing 
>>> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
>>> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down 
>>> to the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in 
>>> the substory.
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!

 I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!


 On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>
> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features 
> as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, 
> inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. 
> Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the 
> listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as 
> well. 
>
> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try 
> the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>
> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>
> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>
> 
>
> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo 
> purposes.
>
> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for 
> this story.
> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different 
> viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI 
> would be easy this way.

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Saq Imtiaz]

Link to follow in a separate thread so as to not derail conversation much 
further here.

David: apologies. I have always aspired to share with the community as much 
as possible, however life circumstances over the last two years have made 
that difficult. I shared a video of this setup in late 2017 and by now I 
had fully expected that this would be a commonplace implementation, which 
also contributed to my not prioritizing cleaning up my two story 
implementation and sharing it. The TiddlyWiki core makes this extremely 
easy with just a few missing pieces. Jeremy has done a great job at 
avoiding the limitations we had back in TWC for multiple stories. 

Mohammad: The UI could be cleaner and more refined. In fact, this was done 
more as a proof of concept and if I re-did this today the UI would be 
significantly different. I implemented this partly as an exercise in 
learning TW5 (I was a long time TWC user years ago) and it worked better 
than anticipated so I have just kept using it without taking the time to 
refine it. So it can definitely do with some cleanup in terms of code and 
CSS. Currently the CSS is responsive, below a certain width the sidebar is 
hidden and if the screen is even smaller it defaults to a one stop layout. 
It's also optimized with larger screens in mind (1920+ width)

It is on my list to clean this up in the near future and add a few 
improvements like automatically opening the second story, if it is closed, 
when I shift + click a link along with various other learnings from 
experience of working with this the last couple of years.


On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:29:55 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Saq I am now officially drooling. You have been holding out on us, man!
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM Saq Imtiaz  > wrote:
>
>> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>
>> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>>
>> [image: tw-substory.png]
>>
>> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
>> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler 
>> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
>> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>>
>> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS 
>> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in 
>> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of 
>> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until 
>> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing 
>> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
>> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 
>>
>> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down 
>> to the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in 
>> the substory.
>> Regards,
>> Saq
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>>
>>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.

 So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features 
 as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, 
 inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. 
 Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the 
 listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as 
 well. 

 To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try 
 the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:

 <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
 Click this link to get started: HelloThere

 <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
 template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
 editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
 emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>

 

 Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo 
 purposes.

 Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for 
 this story.
 You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different 
 viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI 
 would be easy this way.

 Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is 
 more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I 
 would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. 
 I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need 
 it, it is very useful when I do.

 More to follow on 

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Anne-Laure Le Cunff]

Wow, amazing! Super promising.

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On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:29 PM Mohammad  wrote:

> WoW,
>  This is amazing! very smart!
>
> If one can adjust the size of left and right dive and hide the sidebar
> then It is Roam killer :-)
>
> Thanks Saq!
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:54:09 PM UTC+4:30, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>
>> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>>
>> [image: tw-substory.png]
>>
>> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert"
>> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler
>> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to
>> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>>
>> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS
>> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in
>> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of
>> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until
>> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing
>> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means
>> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers.
>>
>> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down
>> to the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in
>> the substory.
>> Regards,
>> Saq
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>>
>>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>>
 Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.

 So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features
 as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined,
 inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler.
 Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the
 listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as
 well.

 To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try
 the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:

 <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
 Click this link to get started: HelloThere

 <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
 template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}}
 editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}}
 emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>

 

 Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo
 purposes.

 Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for
 this story.
 You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different
 viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI
 would be easy this way.

 Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is
 more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I
 would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink.
 I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need
 it, it is very useful when I do.

 More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
 Regards,
 Saq

 On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi Saq
>
> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That
> looks promising!
>
> Questions about SubStories:
>
> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>
> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar.
> Is it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user
> could drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there?
> Maybe when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include
> those tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in 
> the
> state tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I
> don't know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to
> light a spark in someone else's mind.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This
>> would allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there.
>> Shift+click from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult
>> 

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Suddenly I'm not able to see images in the forum on either of two 
platforms, so I'm having to go from memory from earlier when I could still 
see images.

What is the trick or technique for viewing two tiddlers side by side? Are 
they actually both in the same tiddler, or is there CSS to move them next 
to each other?

Thanks!

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 6:01:17 AM UTC-7, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>
> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features as 
> the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, inlined 
> viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. Instead, 
> if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the listwidget 
> controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as well. 
>
> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try the 
> following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>
> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>
> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>
> 
>
> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo purposes.
>
> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for 
> this story.
> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different viewing 
> and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI would be 
> easy this way.
>
> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is more 
> intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I would 
> want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. I've 
> been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need it, it 
> is very useful when I do.
>
> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
> Regards,
> Saq
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saq
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks 
>> promising!
>>
>> Questions about SubStories: 
>>
>> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>>
>> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is 
>> it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could 
>> drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe 
>> when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those 
>> tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state 
>> tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't 
>> know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a 
>> spark in someone else's mind.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would 
>>> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click 
>>> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>>>
>>> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel div 
>>> to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel tab 
>>> for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up so 
>>> that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the substory 
>>> in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>>>
>>> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my 
>>> own two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to 
>>> distribute:
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0
>>>
>>> However I can offer guidance to anyone trying to implement the same. 
>>> It's mostly wiki markup with some sprinklings of javascript to glue things 
>>> together from what I remember, I haven't fiddled with this in a couple of 
>>> years.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:49:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view mode, 
 not in edit mode.

 I would welcome code so that 

 a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and 
 b) the text field is editable

 This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.




 On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the 
>right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the 
> right 
>side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two 
> note 
>(tiddlers) or even more in parallel 

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Mohammad]

WoW,
 This is amazing! very smart!

If one can adjust the size of left and right dive and hide the sidebar then 
It is Roam killer :-)

Thanks Saq!

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:54:09 PM UTC+4:30, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>
> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>
> [image: tw-substory.png]
>
> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler 
> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>
> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS 
> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in 
> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of 
> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until 
> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing 
> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 
>
> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down to 
> the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in the 
> substory.
> Regards,
> Saq
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>
>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>>
>>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features 
>>> as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, 
>>> inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. 
>>> Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the 
>>> listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as 
>>> well. 
>>>
>>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try 
>>> the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
>>> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
>>> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo 
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for 
>>> this story.
>>> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different 
>>> viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI 
>>> would be easy this way.
>>>
>>> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is 
>>> more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I 
>>> would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. 
>>> I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need 
>>> it, it is very useful when I do.
>>>
>>> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi Saq

 Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks 
 promising!

 Questions about SubStories: 

 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.

 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is 
 it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could 
 drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe 
 when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those 
 tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the 
 state 
 tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't 
 know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a 
 spark in someone else's mind.

 On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would 
> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click 
> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>
> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel 
> div to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel 
> tab for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it 
> up 
> so that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and 

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[David Gifford]

Saq I am now officially drooling. You have been holding out on us, man!


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:24 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>
> Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:
>
> [image: tw-substory.png]
>
> Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert"
> tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler
> in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to
> drag and drop tiddlers between stories.
>
> The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS
> code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in
> the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of
> this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until
> just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing
> a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means
> of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers.
>
> Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down to
> the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in the
> substory.
> Regards,
> Saq
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>>
>> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>>
>>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features
>>> as the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined,
>>> inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler.
>>> Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the
>>> listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try
>>> the following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>>
>>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
>>> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}}
>>> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}}
>>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for
>>> this story.
>>> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different
>>> viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI
>>> would be easy this way.
>>>
>>> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is
>>> more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I
>>> would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink.
>>> I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need
>>> it, it is very useful when I do.
>>>
>>> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>>> Regards,
>>> Saq
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi Saq

 Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks
 promising!

 Questions about SubStories:

 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.

 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is
 it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could
 drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe
 when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those
 tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state
 tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't
 know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a
 spark in someone else's mind.

 On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would
> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click
> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>
> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel
> div to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel
> tab for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up
> so that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the
> substory in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>
> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Saq Imtiaz]

Regarding dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.

Here is how I currently have it set up in my TiddlyWiki:

[image: tw-substory.png] 

Note the dropzones above each story. Furthermore there is a "divert" 
tiddler button in the toolbar for each tiddler, that will open the tiddler 
in the other story. Lastly, the "Open" tab in the sidebar can be used to 
drag and drop tiddlers between stories.

The way I have this setup is a little bit involved and involves some JS 
code to modify some core behaviour, and there may have been improvements in 
the core to make this a little easier since. Jeremy and I discussed some of 
this in late 2017 but I haven't followed TW development after that until 
just recently. The most salient of the changes we discussed was introducing 
a mechanism for a TW to be aware of what stories are being used, by means 
of either a tag or a tiddler list identifying the storylist tiddlers. 

Anyway, give me a few hours and I'll see if I can distill my setup down to 
the minimum you need to get this up and running for opening tiddlers in the 
substory.
Regards,
Saq




On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:08:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!
>
> I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  > wrote:
>
>> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>>
>> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features as 
>> the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, 
>> inlined viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. 
>> Instead, if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the 
>> listwidget controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as 
>> well. 
>>
>> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try the 
>> following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>>
>> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
>> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>>
>> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
>> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
>> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
>> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo purposes.
>>
>> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for 
>> this story.
>> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different 
>> viewing and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI 
>> would be easy this way.
>>
>> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is 
>> more intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I 
>> would want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. 
>> I've been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need 
>> it, it is very useful when I do.
>>
>> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
>> Regards,
>> Saq
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Saq
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks 
>>> promising!
>>>
>>> Questions about SubStories: 
>>>
>>> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>>>
>>> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is 
>>> it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could 
>>> drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe 
>>> when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those 
>>> tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state 
>>> tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't 
>>> know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a 
>>> spark in someone else's mind.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would 
 allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click 
 from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
 https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories

 In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel 
 div to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel 
 tab for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up 
 so that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the 
 substory in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.

 The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my 
 own two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to 
 distribute:
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0

 However I can offer guidance to anyone 

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[David Gifford]

Thanks Saq, for the code. That works great!

I am looking forward to your forthcoming promised comments!


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:01 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.
>
> So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features as
> the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, inlined
> viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. Instead,
> if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the listwidget
> controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as well.
>
> To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try the
> following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:
>
> <$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
> Click this link to get started: HelloThere
>
> <$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
> template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}}
> editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}}
> emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>
>
> 
>
> Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo purposes.
>
> Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for
> this story.
> You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different viewing
> and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI would be
> easy this way.
>
> Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is more
> intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I would
> want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. I've
> been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need it, it
> is very useful when I do.
>
> More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
> Regards,
> Saq
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saq
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks
>> promising!
>>
>> Questions about SubStories:
>>
>> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>>
>> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is
>> it possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could
>> drag a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe
>> when dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those
>> tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state
>> tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't
>> know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a
>> spark in someone else's mind.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would
>>> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click
>>> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>>>
>>> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel div
>>> to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel tab
>>> for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up so
>>> that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the substory
>>> in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>>>
>>> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my
>>> own two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to
>>> distribute:
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0
>>>
>>> However I can offer guidance to anyone trying to implement the same.
>>> It's mostly wiki markup with some sprinklings of javascript to glue things
>>> together from what I remember, I haven't fiddled with this in a couple of
>>> years.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:49:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:

 The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view mode,
 not in edit mode.

 I would welcome code so that

 a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and
 b) the text field is editable

 This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.




 On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the
>right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the 
> right
>side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two 
> note
>(tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many 
> notes and
>you can collapse them)
>
> Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you
>> click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely 
>> you
>> must search first? Are 

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi David, it's been a while :) Hope you are well.

So the substory is exactly the same as, and supports the same features as 
the main story. The example on tiddlywiki.com uses a streamlined, inlined 
viewtemplate that only provides a button to close every tiddler. Instead, 
if you pass the appropriate viewtemplate and edittemplate to the listwidget 
controlling the story, you can get the exact same interface as well. 

To get your substory to behave exactly the same as you main story try the 
following instead of the substory code from tiddlywiki.com:

<$navigator story="MySubStoryList" history="MySubHistoryList">
Click this link to get started: HelloThere

<$list filter="[list[MySubStoryList]]" history="$:/MySubHistoryList" 
template={{$:/config/ui/ViewTemplate}} 
editTemplate={{$:/config/ui/EditTemplate}} storyview={{$:/view}} 
emptyMessage={{$:/config/EmptyStoryMessage}}/>



Obviously the "Click this links to get started" is just for demo purposes.

Note that you could even use a different storyview or emptyMessage for this 
story.
You can create custom edit and view templates to offer a different viewing 
and editing experience, re-creating the exact Roam parallel UI would be 
easy this way.

Personally I think having this in a parallel div to the main story is more 
intuitive rather than in a tab, if I wanted to compare two tiddlers I would 
want them to line up better than they currently do in TiddlyBlink. I've 
been using this setup since late 2017 and while I don't always need it, it 
is very useful when I do.

More to follow on dropzones and opening tiddlers in the substory.
Regards,
Saq

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 2:01:00 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi Saq
>
> Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks 
> promising!
>
> Questions about SubStories: 
>
> 1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.
>
> 2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is it 
> possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could drag 
> a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe when 
> dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those 
> tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state 
> tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't 
> know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a 
> spark in someone else's mind.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would 
>> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click 
>> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>>
>> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel div 
>> to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel tab 
>> for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up so 
>> that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the substory 
>> in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>>
>> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my 
>> own two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to 
>> distribute:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0
>>
>> However I can offer guidance to anyone trying to implement the same. It's 
>> mostly wiki markup with some sprinklings of javascript to glue things 
>> together from what I remember, I haven't fiddled with this in a couple of 
>> years.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:49:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view mode, 
>>> not in edit mode.
>>>
>>> I would welcome code so that 
>>>
>>> a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and 
>>> b) the text field is editable
>>>
>>> This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>

- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the 
right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the 
 right 
side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two 
 note 
(tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes 
 and 
you can collapse them)

 Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you 
> click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely 
> you 
> must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens in edit 
> mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one wysiwyg mode 
> for 
> direct edit?)
>  
>
>
 I think Anne is referring to the "parallel" tab in tiddly blink. It 
 

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Mat]

Mohammad wrote:
>
> [...] also Mat has developed multi columns layout ...
>

Yeah, I made this . Today I'd probably use 
flexbox given the linear nature of rivers. But, frankly, I don't really 
understand the use case with two rivers. Which tiddlers should go where? 
And why? For "parallel editing" I an see it but it feels a bit much with 
two *rivers* for this.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Mohammad]

@Ann-Laure, @David

I think Saq Imtiaz can help here, also Mat has developed multi columns 
layout ...

This layout now uses a flexgrid. The left panel can be smaller. The example 
I sent for Ann-Laure has two tiddler which close each tiddler on clicking 
other title
This feature also can be customized to keep any number of tiddler you like
Also the style and look of the two panel

p.s: I you read Shiraz tutorial you can also have multi columns in one 
tiddler! I also remember Mark S has an outliner which can be used

--Mohammad

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 4:37:06 PM UTC+4:30, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Thanks Shiraz, that is interesting! That certainly feels like Roam, but in 
> a TiddlyWiki kind of way.
>
> But doesn't it lock one into using that one tiddler to open other tiddlers 
> that way? Anne-Laure is looking for a way to open a link from *any* 
> tiddler into a parallel space for side by side viewing / editing.
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:08:55 AM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Shiraz has the muticolumn story river feature.
>>
>> No exactly like what Saq Imtiaz has done but very close to it is existed 
>> in *Shiraz*
>> To reproduce do as below
>>
>>1. Open Shiraz demo page: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/
>>2. From right side bar, More tab and then Shiraz tab and under 
>>Options click multicolumn story river
>>3. Next import the attached example tiddlers
>>4. open Story and Then TOC and then close all other tiddlers
>>5. Now click on every item in the list of TOC it will open on the 
>>right
>>6. Edit the TOC if you like to resemble Tiddlywiki story river 
>>
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[David Gifford]

Thanks Shiraz, that is interesting! That certainly feels like Roam, but in 
a TiddlyWiki kind of way.

But doesn't it lock one into using that one tiddler to open other tiddlers 
that way? Anne-Laure is looking for a way to open a link from *any* tiddler 
into a parallel space for side by side viewing / editing.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 5:08:55 AM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Shiraz has the muticolumn story river feature.
>
> No exactly like what Saq Imtiaz has done but very close to it is existed 
> in *Shiraz*
> To reproduce do as below
>
>1. Open Shiraz demo page: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/
>2. From right side bar, More tab and then Shiraz tab and under Options 
>click multicolumn story river
>3. Next import the attached example tiddlers
>4. open Story and Then TOC and then close all other tiddlers
>5. Now click on every item in the list of TOC it will open on the right
>6. Edit the TOC if you like to resemble Tiddlywiki story river 
>
>  
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[David Gifford]

Hi Saq

Thanks for sharing the video of your dual column TiddlyWiki. That looks 
promising!

Questions about SubStories: 

1) How does it "allow you to edit"? I am not seeing that.

2) I tagged a tiddler with the SubStories code with $:/tags/SideBar. Is it 
possible to create a 'dropzone' in that tiddler so that the user could drag 
a link to the dropzone and have it automatically open there? Maybe when 
dropping tiddlers there, it changes a state tiddler to include those 
tiddlers, and the substories tiddler displays all the tiddlers in the state 
tiddler? And closing a tiddler removes it from the state tiddler? I don't 
know how to do any of this, of course, just thinking out loud to light a 
spark in someone else's mind.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 3:35:07 AM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would 
> allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click 
> from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories
>
> In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel div 
> to the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel tab 
> for a better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up so 
> that shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the substory 
> in it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.
>
> The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my own 
> two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to 
> distribute:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0
>
> However I can offer guidance to anyone trying to implement the same. It's 
> mostly wiki markup with some sprinklings of javascript to glue things 
> together from what I remember, I haven't fiddled with this in a couple of 
> years.
>
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:49:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view mode, 
>> not in edit mode.
>>
>> I would welcome code so that 
>>
>> a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and 
>> b) the text field is editable
>>
>> This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the 
>>>right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the right 
>>>side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two 
>>> note 
>>>(tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes 
>>> and 
>>>you can collapse them)
>>>
>>> Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you 
 click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely you 
 must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens in edit 
 mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one wysiwyg mode for 
 direct edit?)
  


>>> I think Anne is referring to the "parallel" tab in tiddly blink. It 
>>> needs a bit of work -- you have to type the *entire* tiddler address 
>>> into the box, and then you only get a preview, not an editable version. 
>>>
>>> For my own version, I have forward/back buttons on each tiddler. Then I 
>>> can use the standard search box to find the tiddler I want, and then 
>>> immediately navigate back. But I suppose the long-term solution would be to 
>>> upgrade the parallel search so that it doesn't demand you remember the 
>>> precise title.
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Mohammad]

Shiraz has the muticolumn story river feature.

No exactly like what Saq Imtiaz has done but very close to it is existed in 
*Shiraz*
To reproduce do as below

   1. Open Shiraz demo page: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Shiraz/
   2. From right side bar, More tab and then Shiraz tab and under Options 
   click multicolumn story river
   3. Next import the attached example tiddlers
   4. open Story and Then TOC and then close all other tiddlers
   5. Now click on every item in the list of TOC it will open on the right
   6. Edit the TOC if you like to resemble Tiddlywiki story river 

 

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example.json
Description: application/json

Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Saq Imtiaz]

David: have you considered a sub-story in the parallel tab? This would 
allow you to edit, as well as open multiple tiddlers there. Shift+click 
from the main story to open in the sub-story isn't difficult either.
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20SubStories

In fact I would consider putting the substory in a separate parallel div to 
the main story, which can be toggled, rather than in the parallel tab for a 
better side by side viewing experience. You could also set it up so that 
shift+click in the main story showed the parallel div and the substory in 
it, and opened the relevant tiddler there.

The Roam interface with the parallel viewing reminds me somewhat of my own 
two-story layout Tiddlywiki, which sadly isn't packaged well enough to 
distribute:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnubb9osgvfqz4p/tw-dual-story.mp4?dl=0

However I can offer guidance to anyone trying to implement the same. It's 
mostly wiki markup with some sprinklings of javascript to glue things 
together from what I remember, I haven't fiddled with this in a couple of 
years.


On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:49:20 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view mode, 
> not in edit mode.
>
> I would welcome code so that 
>
> a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and 
> b) the text field is editable
>
> This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>>
>>- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the 
>>right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the right 
>>side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two 
>> note 
>>(tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes 
>> and 
>>you can collapse them)
>>
>> Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you 
>>> click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely you 
>>> must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens in edit 
>>> mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one wysiwyg mode for 
>>> direct edit?)
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>> I think Anne is referring to the "parallel" tab in tiddly blink. It needs 
>> a bit of work -- you have to type the *entire* tiddler address into the 
>> box, and then you only get a preview, not an editable version. 
>>
>> For my own version, I have forward/back buttons on each tiddler. Then I 
>> can use the standard search box to find the tiddler I want, and then 
>> immediately navigate back. But I suppose the long-term solution would be to 
>> upgrade the parallel search so that it doesn't demand you remember the 
>> precise title.
>>
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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[springer]

Anne-Laure, it sounds like what you might love (unless I'm projecting??) is 
the kind of automatic (no brackets needed) virtual linking that used to be 
possible with TW Classic (years ago!) but which is harder to reconstruct 
with the new (much more careful and efficient) TW5 core. My own interest 
comes from managing a teaching wiki with lots of implicit cross-references 
(where many terms have technical meaning), plus lots of occasions to paste 
in pre-existing text from other sources, where on-the-fly links would be 
ideal...

There's a discussion I started here... 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/X6vayokdfgE ... and 
Jeremy and others have made progress towards ways of getting TW5 to act 
like this. I think it's called "freelinks" plugin, though its initial build 
can get slow on a large wiki (and doesn't embrace alias[es] field) so I'm 
not currently running with it... 

Once it can be extended to embrace aliases and/or to allow 
case-insensitivity (Premises and premises and premisses etc., as well as 
any premise, for example, should just automatically links to my definition 
tiddler titled "premise" as if I had gone through and added 
double-brackets) -- and if it can do all that without getting terribly 
bogged down on a large-ish wiki -- I'll be over the moon with delight.

-E Springer

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 8:40:29 PM UTC-4, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> So I'm using TiddlyBlink  by 
> Dave Gifford (thank you!)
>
> It's currently showing the explicit linked references at the bottom of the 
> articles, which is awesome.
>
> Is there a way to:
>
>1. Show the implicit / unliked references, e.g. the word was mentioned 
>but not proactively put into double brackets
>2. Create explicit links from the page I'm on, i.e. convert implicit 
>into explicit links
>
> Very inspired by the wonderful Roam Research I've been using for a few 
> months and also recommend—its only issue is that it's not open source.
>
> Here  is a demo of what I mean.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Anne-Laure Le Cunff]

Wow! This is amazing - thank you! Now we just need something to shift-click 
on links and open then in the right-side panel in edit mode.

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 10:45:47 PM UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>>
>> @Mark - I don't see any closed eyelid icon, here 
>>  is my setup (I'm using 
>> TiddlyBlink, maybe that's why?).
>>
>
> It's just above the word "birds" in your image. IMO it looks more like a 
> smiling mouth than a closed eyelid. 
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Mat]

Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>
> @Mark - I don't see any closed eyelid icon, here 
>  is my setup (I'm using 
> TiddlyBlink, maybe that's why?).
>

It's just above the word "birds" in your image. IMO it looks more like a 
smiling mouth than a closed eyelid. 

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Anne-Laure Le Cunff]

@Mark - I don't see any closed eyelid icon, here 
 is my setup (I'm using 
TiddlyBlink, maybe that's why?).

@si - wow, this is great. And even if it looks for larger words, that's the 
general idea. What I'm wondering is if there's a way to make it less manual 
so it happens automatically. And yes, a link to automatically convert 
implicit mentions into explicit links would be great. I'm not knowledgeable 
enough to help fix your code, but thanks so much for sharing and hopefully 
someone more technical can chime in!

@Mat - no thank you for the solid questions! Got me thinking about what 
really matters for great tools for thought.

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 10:18:14 PM UTC+1, Mat wrote:
>
> @Mark and @Anne-Laure , thanks for clarifying a few bits.
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Mat]

@Mark and @Anne-Laure , thanks for clarifying a few bits.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[si]

This might be a naive solution but for references to the current tiddler 
that are *not* explicitly links you could use the search filter, like this:

<$list filter="[search:text:literal] -[
backlinks[]]">
<$link><>



Just create a tiddler with the above, tag it *$:/tags/ViewTemplate* and you 
will get a list at the bottom of every tiddler. Unfortunately as it is this 
will match references that are within larger words, so if you had a tiddler 
called "link" then another tiddler that contains the word "unlinked" will 
be counted as referencing the tiddler.

By the looks of it with the freelinks plugin all references to other 
tiddlers will *appear* as links, but they won't actually be converted to 
the link syntax. Because of this they will still show up as implicit 
references in the solution I gave above, even if they appear as links when 
viewing the tiddler.

It sounds like you also want a button to appear next to each of the 
implicit references that will convert them into explicit links?

I tried this and got half way there, so maybe someone can fix my code:

<$vars this-tiddler=<> >

<$list filter="[is[tiddler]!is[system]search:text:literal] 
-[backlinks[]]">
<$link><>
<$list filter="[titleget[text]splitbefore]" 
variable="left">
<$list filter="[titleget[text]removeprefix]" 
variable="right">
<$list filter="[] +[removesuffix]" variable="start">
<$vars lb="[[" rb="]]">
<$vars linkified={{{ [addprefixaddsuffixaddprefix
addsuffix] }}}>
<$button class=<>>
<$action-setfield $tiddler=<> $field="text" $value=<
> />
{{$:/core/images/link}}













This will add a button that will convert the first occurence of an implicit 
reference to an explicit link.

The main issue I have noticed (there are no doubt others) is that 
"removeprefix" is case sensitive so it will only convert when cases match 
exactly.

On Monday, 13 April 2020 01:40:29 UTC+1, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> So I'm using TiddlyBlink  by 
> Dave Gifford (thank you!)
>
> It's currently showing the explicit linked references at the bottom of the 
> articles, which is awesome.
>
> Is there a way to:
>
>1. Show the implicit / unliked references, e.g. the word was mentioned 
>but not proactively put into double brackets
>2. Create explicit links from the page I'm on, i.e. convert implicit 
>into explicit links
>
> Very inspired by the wonderful Roam Research I've been using for a few 
> months and also recommend—its only issue is that it's not open source.
>
> Here  is a demo of what I mean.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

In edit mode you can click on the closed eyelid icon and the tiddler will 
split into two tiddlers: edit, and preview. The preview is almost like the 
view mode of a tiddler, with a few differences.

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 12:57:02 PM UTC-7, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>
> @Mat
>
>- Thank you! I looked up "editmode preview tiddlywiki" and can't find 
>anything. Is that a setting somewhere I can toggle? Also FYI this 
> is how your SideEditor looks for me.
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Anne-Laure Le Cunff]

@Mat

   - Thank you! I looked up "editmode preview tiddlywiki" and can't find 
   anything. Is that a setting somewhere I can toggle? Also FYI this 
    is how your SideEditor looks for me.
   - Sorry I'm tired, MAJ is french for "majuscule" (uppercase) which means 
   the shift key :) So shift + click in Roam opens any link in the right-hand 
   side panel. And then you can drag content between notes. Here 
    
is 
   a gif I made so you can see what it looks like.
   - Your Cherry Picker experiment is really cool. In Roam they append a 
   unique ID to each block/bullet point. To me this is one of the most 
   powerful features it has, it makes it very modular.
   - That Tiddler Philosophy link is the best thing I've read today when it 
   comes to TW! It finally clicked. I totally respect that approach even 
   though that's not how I naturally take notes myself. Having to proactively 
   create a new tiddler for each "atomic idea" feels like more work than just 
   letting my thoughts flow / taking notes on a page during a lecture or while 
   watching a video, and having each bullet point automatically become its own 
   "atomic idea" which I can remix/transcluse etc.
   - Will have a play with the excise editor tool 
   !

@Mark

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about :) Having parallel search + open 
links in parallel panel with shift-click would be awesome.

@David

Yes - edit more in the parallel tab would make TW much more powerful.

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 8:15:30 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
>
>- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the right 
>side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the right side 
> and 
>it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two note 
>(tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes 
> and 
>you can collapse them)
>
> Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you 
>> click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely you 
>> must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens in edit 
>> mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one wysiwyg mode for 
>> direct edit?)
>>  
>>
>>
> I think Anne is referring to the "parallel" tab in tiddly blink. It needs 
> a bit of work -- you have to type the *entire* tiddler address into the 
> box, and then you only get a preview, not an editable version. 
>
> For my own version, I have forward/back buttons on each tiddler. Then I 
> can use the standard search box to find the tiddler I want, and then 
> immediately navigate back. But I suppose the long-term solution would be to 
> upgrade the parallel search so that it doesn't demand you remember the 
> precise title.
>
>
On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 8:49:20 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view mode, 
> not in edit mode.
>
> I would welcome code so that 
>
> a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and 
> b) the text field is editable
>
> This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>>
>>- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the 
>>right side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the right 
>>side and it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two 
>> note 
>>(tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes 
>> and 
>>you can collapse them)
>>
>> Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you 
>>> click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely you 
>>> must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens in edit 
>>> mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one wysiwyg mode for 
>>> direct edit?)
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>> I think Anne is referring to the "parallel" tab in tiddly blink. It needs 
>> a bit of work -- you have to type the *entire* tiddler address into the 
>> box, and then you only get a preview, not an editable version. 
>>
>> For my own version, I have forward/back buttons on each tiddler. Then I 
>> can use the standard search box to find the tiddler I want, and then 
>> immediately navigate back. But I suppose the long-term solution would be to 
>> upgrade the parallel search so that it doesn't demand you remember the 
>> precise title.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[David Gifford]

The other main drawback to the parallel tab is that it is in view mode, not
in edit mode.

I would welcome code so that

a) the search box in the parallel tab is auto-complete, and
b) the text field is editable

This would almost replicate what is available in Roam.




On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the right
>side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the right side and
>it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two note
>(tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes and
>you can collapse them)
>
> Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you
>> click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely you
>> must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens in edit
>> mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one wysiwyg mode for
>> direct edit?)
>>
>>
>>
> I think Anne is referring to the "parallel" tab in tiddly blink. It needs
> a bit of work -- you have to type the *entire* tiddler address into the
> box, and then you only get a preview, not an editable version.
>
> For my own version, I have forward/back buttons on each tiddler. Then I
> can use the standard search box to find the tiddler I want, and then
> immediately navigate back. But I suppose the long-term solution would be to
> upgrade the parallel search so that it doesn't demand you remember the
> precise title.
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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

   
   - Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the right 
   side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the right side and 
   it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two note 
   (tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes and 
   you can collapse them)

Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you 
> click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely you 
> must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens in edit 
> mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one wysiwyg mode for 
> direct edit?)
>  
>
>
I think Anne is referring to the "parallel" tab in tiddly blink. It needs a 
bit of work -- you have to type the *entire* tiddler address into the box, 
and then you only get a preview, not an editable version. 

For my own version, I have forward/back buttons on each tiddler. Then I can 
use the standard search box to find the tiddler I want, and then 
immediately navigate back. But I suppose the long-term solution would be to 
upgrade the parallel search so that it doesn't demand you remember the 
precise title.

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

You can turn off zoomin mode in TiddlyBlink so that you can edit more than 
one tiddler at a time (control panel, appearance tab, storyview sub-tab). 
Albeit, the tiddlers are stacked vertical. On a screen, vertical space is 
infinite. Horizontal space is finite.


On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 10:45:40 AM UTC-7, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>
> Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the right side 
> panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the right side and it's 
> also fully editable straight away so you can work on two note (tiddlers) or 
> even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes and you can 
> collapse them)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Mat]

@Anne-Laure, interesting to read about differences.
>
>
>- Having to save the current page to generate new pages created by 
>typing [[name of new page]] - this considerably slows down the thinking 
>process compared to Roam which feels more organic in that regard
>
> The editmode preview generates the links so they're clickable. Also my 
SideEditor  enables this.
 

>
>- Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the right 
>side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the right side 
> and 
>it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two note 
>(tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes 
> and 
>you can collapse them)
>
> Hm, maybe "MAJ" is an acronym for magic of some kind but how would you 
click on any link unless all links were displayed all the time. Surely you 
must search first? Are you saying you click and the 'page' opens in edit 
mode? (I'm not familiar with Roam - maybe it only has one wysiwyg mode for 
direct edit?)
 

>
>- Not being able to refer to specific blocks within a page. As far as 
>I understand, with my current config I can only link to full pages. 
>Transclusion is also only possible at the tiddler level. In Roam, I can 
>link/transcluse specific blocks (bullet points) inside a page, which is 
>very powerful
>
> Yeah, in the old version of TW (TW Classic or TW2) there was something 
called "slices" which functioned like that. It is possible to create 
solutions to transclude sections like that if you have distinct markers at 
start/end. A few of us have dabbled with this (my own experiment 
) but there's no complete solution. 
The main reason is a consequence of Tiddler Philosophy 
 - if something is 
distinct enough to warrant separate transclusion, then it should probably 
be a tiddler on its own. Do note the Excise editor tool though.

 <:-)

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Anne-Laure Le Cunff]

Hi Diego,

I'll definitely do a write-up and can share the link in the group when it's 
live! I don't consider the knowledge graph an essential feature, so I have 
actually removed TiddlyMap, and now only use TiddlyBlink. Compared the 
Roam, the main limitations are:

   - Having to save the current page to generate new pages created by 
   typing [[name of new page]] - this considerably slows down the thinking 
   process compared to Roam which feels more organic in that regard
   - Having to search or paste the name of a page to open it in the right 
   side panel - in Roam MAJ + click on any link opens it in the right side and 
   it's also fully editable straight away so you can work on two note 
   (tiddlers) or even more in parallel (the side panel can hold many notes and 
   you can collapse them)
   - Not being able to refer to specific blocks within a page. As far as I 
   understand, with my current config I can only link to full pages. 
   Transclusion is also only possible at the tiddler level. In Roam, I can 
   link/transcluse specific blocks (bullet points) inside a page, which is 
   very powerful

Because of these, Roam allows for fast thinking. When using TiddlyWiki, I 
feel slower. Which is not a bad thing in itself, I like it for the project 
I'm currently working on where I want to take my time!

The big advantages of TiddlyWiki are obviously its flexibility and the fact 
that it's open source. I also absolutely love the fact that I can easily 
generate a static website from my notes.

I hope that helps. :)
 
On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 6:13:27 PM UTC+1, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Anne-Laure,
>
> Please let us know what you find as I'd love to better understand how 
> TiddlyRoam and Tiddlyblink+Tdidlymap compare to each other, and how they 
> all compare to Roam. I have several friends using Roam and I'd love to be 
> able to point them to a staightforward easy guide/demo to get them to move 
> over to TW!
>
> Best,
> Diego
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 9:25:07 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Freelinks sounds the closest to your restated requirement try it on a 
>> prerelease copy.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Diego Mesa]

Anne-Laure,

Please let us know what you find as I'd love to better understand how 
TiddlyRoam and Tiddlyblink+Tdidlymap compare to each other, and how they 
all compare to Roam. I have several friends using Roam and I'd love to be 
able to point them to a staightforward easy guide/demo to get them to move 
over to TW!

Best,
Diego

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>
> Freelinks sounds the closest to your restated requirement try it on a 
> prerelease copy.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[TonyM]

Freelinks sounds the closest to your restated requirement try it on a 
prerelease copy.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Anne-Laure Le Cunff]

Thank you! I'll have a play with all of these, I feel like a combination 
may actually do the trick.

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 2:18:51 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>
> And Michael Manti, I think, is correct. The implicit links in the file I 
> just sent are not probably bi-directional.
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 8:17:01 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> On #1, my original version of TiddlyBlink had unlinked references. I 
>> found it distracting so I got rid of it. 
>>
>> I am attaching the file, the relevant tiddlers are 
>>
>> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refslinks, 
>> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refstransclude, and 
>> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/viewfullnotes 
>>
>> On #2, Tony is correct, the freelinks plugin at 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ should be what you want.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 7:40:29 PM UTC-5, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>> So I'm using TiddlyBlink  
>>> by Dave Gifford (thank you!)
>>>
>>> It's currently showing the explicit linked references at the bottom of 
>>> the articles, which is awesome.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to:
>>>
>>>1. Show the implicit / unliked references, e.g. the word was 
>>>mentioned but not proactively put into double brackets
>>>2. Create explicit links from the page I'm on, i.e. convert implicit 
>>>into explicit links
>>>
>>> Very inspired by the wonderful Roam Research I've been using for a few 
>>> months and also recommend—its only issue is that it's not open source.
>>>
>>> Here  is a demo of what I mean.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[David Gifford]

And Michael Manti, I think, is correct. The implicit links in the file I 
just sent are not probably bi-directional.

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 8:17:01 AM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> On #1, my original version of TiddlyBlink had unlinked references. I found 
> it distracting so I got rid of it. 
>
> I am attaching the file, the relevant tiddlers are 
>
> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refslinks, 
> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refstransclude, and 
> $:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/viewfullnotes 
>
> On #2, Tony is correct, the freelinks plugin at 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ should be what you want.
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 7:40:29 PM UTC-5, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>>
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> So I'm using TiddlyBlink  by 
>> Dave Gifford (thank you!)
>>
>> It's currently showing the explicit linked references at the bottom of 
>> the articles, which is awesome.
>>
>> Is there a way to:
>>
>>1. Show the implicit / unliked references, e.g. the word was 
>>mentioned but not proactively put into double brackets
>>2. Create explicit links from the page I'm on, i.e. convert implicit 
>>into explicit links
>>
>> Very inspired by the wonderful Roam Research I've been using for a few 
>> months and also recommend—its only issue is that it's not open source.
>>
>> Here  is a demo of what I mean.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Nicholas Shawn Nadel]

https://github.com/joekroese/tiddlyroam looks promising 

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 6:58:02 PM UTC-7, 陈小伙 wrote:
>
> I am looking for alternative to roam research. Tiddlybilnk is good.
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[TonyM]

Anne-laure

Welcome to the community. Tiddlywiki shows missing tiddlers in italics but on 
your example there is a summary of these at the bottom. Have you clicked the 
info button on tiddlers and explored the info there?

Missing tiddlers and references can all be listed with filter operators and 
displayed using a view template item.

I think one of the recent projects like tiddlyblink was adding more cross 
reference info on tiddlers. The new freelink plugin in the prerelease will find 
tiddler titles in text and provide links automatically. 

Anything is possible and I am not exadurating, the trick is understanding your 
question and putting it into tiddlywiki terms.

The Relink plugin handles many references to Tiddler titles to work 
comprehencivly which shows almost any relationship can be identified.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[陈小伙]

I am looking for alternative to roam research. Tiddlybilnk is good.

在 2020年4月13日星期一 UTC+8上午9:40:30，Anne-Laure Le Cunff写道：
>
> Thanks! I'm not sure - I'm talking about something similar to this 
> linked/unlinked featured in Roam.
>
>
> [image: Screenshot 2020-04-13 at 2.39.20 AM.png]
>
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 2:14:58 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> The freelinks plugin in the prerelease is possibly your answer here.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Link unlinked references

[Anne-Laure Le Cunff]

Thanks! I'm not sure - I'm talking about something similar to this 
linked/unlinked featured in Roam.


[image: Screenshot 2020-04-13 at 2.39.20 AM.png]


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> The freelinks plugin in the prerelease is possibly your answer here.
>
> Regards
> Tony
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