Re: [tw5] Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?
Si, Good, I hoped it would be helpful. Tones On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 02:54:28 UTC+10 si wrote: > Hi Tones > > >>> If you place hide in a tiddler named > $:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/fieldname it will not appear as a > row in the edit fields. > > I was going to look up how to do this but you got there ahead of me - > thanks! > > >>> Attached is a macro I am quite proud off, it allows the addition of a > local-viewtemplate field on any tiddler > > Thanks for sharing. This concept will be very useful when I add a > "summary" or "description" field to some of my tiddlers. > On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 05:12:54 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: > >> Si, >> >> Just to back this up it is possible, there may be some issues saving on >> node (untested). >> >> However All you have to do is hide the additional text field and not edit >> it in the Edit View fields. >> >> If you place hide in a tiddler named >> $:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/fieldname it will not appear as a >> row in the edit fields. >> >> Attached is a macro I am quite proud off, it allows the addition of a >> local-viewtemplate field on any tiddler, However its not yet being polished >> for publishing. just add the fieldname local-viewtemplate to any tiddler >> and an additional edit area is available in edit view, the content is >> applied to this tiddler only when in the view tiddler mode. >> >> This makes it easy to test prototype changes to the view template without >> actually changing the shared global one and much more. >> >> Tones >> >> On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 06:44:51 UTC+10 si wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot Mario and Saq, that's exactly what I needed to know. I >>> don't intent to edit any of these fields, so I should be OK, but I'll have >>> a think about whether it will be more sensible to use JSON. Thanks again. >>> >>> On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 15:12:19 UTC+1 PMario wrote: >>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 2:07:17 PM UTC+2 si wrote: > My question is more about whether this matters when copying content > from the text of a tiddler into a different field. > The HTML spec says this: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#attributes ... There is no restriction on the text, that can be put into a attribute value. .. BUT it has to be HTML escaped. ... As your screenshot shows. BUT .. The problem is the TW UI. If you copy text from the text-field with javascript into a field, you can add whitespace to the field. If you use a text area, you can also add whitespace eg: newLines. ... BUT if you edit a field in tiddler-edit-mode, with the single-line editor, all the NewLines and other whitespace will be removed. So that's the real problem here. -mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/f14b96b2-1e7e-4659-bfa2-636e32adacc5n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [tw5] Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?
Hi Tones >>> If you place hide in a tiddler named $:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/fieldname it will not appear as a row in the edit fields. I was going to look up how to do this but you got there ahead of me - thanks! >>> Attached is a macro I am quite proud off, it allows the addition of a local-viewtemplate field on any tiddler Thanks for sharing. This concept will be very useful when I add a "summary" or "description" field to some of my tiddlers. On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 05:12:54 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: > Si, > > Just to back this up it is possible, there may be some issues saving on > node (untested). > > However All you have to do is hide the additional text field and not edit > it in the Edit View fields. > > If you place hide in a tiddler named > $:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/fieldname it will not appear as a > row in the edit fields. > > Attached is a macro I am quite proud off, it allows the addition of a > local-viewtemplate field on any tiddler, However its not yet being polished > for publishing. just add the fieldname local-viewtemplate to any tiddler > and an additional edit area is available in edit view, the content is > applied to this tiddler only when in the view tiddler mode. > > This makes it easy to test prototype changes to the view template without > actually changing the shared global one and much more. > > Tones > > On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 06:44:51 UTC+10 si wrote: > >> Thanks a lot Mario and Saq, that's exactly what I needed to know. I don't >> intent to edit any of these fields, so I should be OK, but I'll have a >> think about whether it will be more sensible to use JSON. Thanks again. >> >> On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 15:12:19 UTC+1 PMario wrote: >> >>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 2:07:17 PM UTC+2 si wrote: >>> My question is more about whether this matters when copying content from the text of a tiddler into a different field. >>> >>> The HTML spec says this: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#attributes ... >>> There is no restriction on the text, that can be put into a attribute >>> value. .. BUT it has to be HTML escaped. ... As your screenshot shows. >>> >>> BUT .. The problem is the TW UI. >>> >>> If you copy text from the text-field with javascript into a field, you >>> can add whitespace to the field. If you use a text area, you can also add >>> whitespace eg: newLines. ... BUT if you edit a field in tiddler-edit-mode, >>> with the single-line editor, all the NewLines and other whitespace will be >>> removed. >>> >>> So that's the real problem here. >>> >>> -mario >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/c4d1b05f-3e4a-4ed4-b395-4df74676ee8cn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [tw5] Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?
Si, Just to back this up it is possible, there may be some issues saving on node (untested). However All you have to do is hide the additional text field and not edit it in the Edit View fields. If you place hide in a tiddler named $:/config/EditTemplateFields/Visibility/fieldname it will not appear as a row in the edit fields. Attached is a macro I am quite proud off, it allows the addition of a local-viewtemplate field on any tiddler, However its not yet being polished for publishing. just add the fieldname local-viewtemplate to any tiddler and an additional edit area is available in edit view, the content is applied to this tiddler only when in the view tiddler mode. This makes it easy to test prototype changes to the view template without actually changing the shared global one and much more. Tones On Monday, 17 May 2021 at 06:44:51 UTC+10 si wrote: > Thanks a lot Mario and Saq, that's exactly what I needed to know. I don't > intent to edit any of these fields, so I should be OK, but I'll have a > think about whether it will be more sensible to use JSON. Thanks again. > > On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 15:12:19 UTC+1 PMario wrote: > >> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 2:07:17 PM UTC+2 si wrote: >> >>> My question is more about whether this matters when copying content from >>> the text of a tiddler into a different field. >>> >> >> The HTML spec says this: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#attributes ... >> There is no restriction on the text, that can be put into a attribute >> value. .. BUT it has to be HTML escaped. ... As your screenshot shows. >> >> BUT .. The problem is the TW UI. >> >> If you copy text from the text-field with javascript into a field, you >> can add whitespace to the field. If you use a text area, you can also add >> whitespace eg: newLines. ... BUT if you edit a field in tiddler-edit-mode, >> with the single-line editor, all the NewLines and other whitespace will be >> removed. >> >> So that's the real problem here. >> >> -mario >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/c3912ab9-a227-4ede-a181-2d873f804947n%40googlegroups.com. local-viewtemplate.json Description: application/json
Re: [tw5] Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?
Thanks a lot Mario and Saq, that's exactly what I needed to know. I don't intent to edit any of these fields, so I should be OK, but I'll have a think about whether it will be more sensible to use JSON. Thanks again. On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 15:12:19 UTC+1 PMario wrote: > On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 2:07:17 PM UTC+2 si wrote: > >> My question is more about whether this matters when copying content from >> the text of a tiddler into a different field. >> > > The HTML spec says this: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#attributes ... > There is no restriction on the text, that can be put into a attribute > value. .. BUT it has to be HTML escaped. ... As your screenshot shows. > > BUT .. The problem is the TW UI. > > If you copy text from the text-field with javascript into a field, you can > add whitespace to the field. If you use a text area, you can also add > whitespace eg: newLines. ... BUT if you edit a field in tiddler-edit-mode, > with the single-line editor, all the NewLines and other whitespace will be > removed. > > So that's the real problem here. > > -mario > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/e07924f9-b8a0-47af-893a-444ae454d36en%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [tw5] Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?
As @pmario states, you will need a custom editing UI for multiline fields. Also worth noting is that on node.js, tiddlers with multiline fields are saved as JSON and not in the .tid format. On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 4:12:19 PM UTC+2 PMario wrote: > On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 2:07:17 PM UTC+2 si wrote: > >> My question is more about whether this matters when copying content from >> the text of a tiddler into a different field. >> > > The HTML spec says this: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#attributes ... > There is no restriction on the text, that can be put into a attribute > value. .. BUT it has to be HTML escaped. ... As your screenshot shows. > > BUT .. The problem is the TW UI. > > If you copy text from the text-field with javascript into a field, you can > add whitespace to the field. If you use a text area, you can also add > whitespace eg: newLines. ... BUT if you edit a field in tiddler-edit-mode, > with the single-line editor, all the NewLines and other whitespace will be > removed. > > So that's the real problem here. > > -mario > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ebeeb5a3-49a7-428a-9ca7-f0ea8a1837afn%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [tw5] Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?
On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 2:07:17 PM UTC+2 si wrote: > My question is more about whether this matters when copying content from > the text of a tiddler into a different field. > The HTML spec says this: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#attributes ... There is no restriction on the text, that can be put into a attribute value. .. BUT it has to be HTML escaped. ... As your screenshot shows. BUT .. The problem is the TW UI. If you copy text from the text-field with javascript into a field, you can add whitespace to the field. If you use a text area, you can also add whitespace eg: newLines. ... BUT if you edit a field in tiddler-edit-mode, with the single-line editor, all the NewLines and other whitespace will be removed. So that's the real problem here. -mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/a6b354a4-49e3-442c-97a1-6a33bb145b31n%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [tw5] Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?
@JWHoneycutt Although it behaves the same as other fields within
TiddlyWiki, it does seem the the contents of the "text" field is *stored
*differently
to other fields (see my previous post).
My question is more about whether this matters when copying content from
the text of a tiddler into a different field. I realize now that I have
made the title of this thread is too general, so at some point I will
probably make another post that gets more to the point.
On Sunday, 16 May 2021 at 00:35:53 UTC+1 JWHoneycutt wrote:
> "Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?"
>
> I am not an expert, but think I know the answer to your question, and
> would love to be corrected.
>
> Text fields are handled the "same" as any other field. That said, the
> tiddlywiki core or your overriding viewtemplate tiddlers can change the
> display behavior.
> I would use this to find these tiddlers:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[$:/tags/ViewTemplate]]" >
>
>
>
> JWHoneycutt
> On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 11:11:39 AM UTC-4 si wrote:
>
>> Sorry to bump this but I did a little test and looked at the source to
>> see how the data was stored.
>>
>> I create a tiddler like this:
>>
>> [image: tiddler.png]
>>
>> Then I used action-setfield to move the text to a field called "test".
>> When I looked at the source I saw this:
>>
>> [image: source-div.png]
>>
>> So it looks to my non-technical eyes that "text" is stored in the
>> element, and other fields within the tag. However it also seems
>> that all the information was retained.
>>
>> Can anyone with knowledge of TiddlyWiki internals confirm that this safe
>> to do, or are there instances where I could lose data?
>> On Friday, 14 May 2021 at 20:26:51 UTC+1 si wrote:
>>
>>> Yep this is what I had initially decided, however I have a slightly
>>> idiosyncratic use case which means that it will be easier for me to use
>>> fields.
>>>
>>> Hence why I just wanted to know if I will potentially lose any data by
>>> going down this route.
>>> On Friday, 14 May 2021 at 20:10:00 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>>>
I would recommend using a JSON tiddler!
If you store text of tidA then you can have tidA-History to keep these!
Best wishes
Mohammad
On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 11:34 PM si wrote:
> I've create a button that will move the contents of the "text" field
> of one tiddler into a different field ("text-history") of another tiddler.
>
> I anticipate in the future doing this with text fields that contain a
> lot of content, including new lines, html tables, macro definitions etc.
> Since fields appear on only one line I'm wondering if any formatting
> information could be lost during this process?
>
> I've done a test that involves new lines, and it seems that this data
> is retained, but I'm just wondering if there is something that I might
> not
> be anticipating, or will I always be able to transfer text back and forth
> without losing anything?
>
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Re: [tw5] Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?
"Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?"
I am not an expert, but think I know the answer to your question, and would
love to be corrected.
Text fields are handled the "same" as any other field. That said, the
tiddlywiki core or your overriding viewtemplate tiddlers can change the
display behavior.
I would use this to find these tiddlers:
<$list filter="[tag[$:/tags/ViewTemplate]]" >
JWHoneycutt
On Saturday, May 15, 2021 at 11:11:39 AM UTC-4 si wrote:
> Sorry to bump this but I did a little test and looked at the source to see
> how the data was stored.
>
> I create a tiddler like this:
>
> [image: tiddler.png]
>
> Then I used action-setfield to move the text to a field called "test".
> When I looked at the source I saw this:
>
> [image: source-div.png]
>
> So it looks to my non-technical eyes that "text" is stored in the
> element, and other fields within the tag. However it also seems
> that all the information was retained.
>
> Can anyone with knowledge of TiddlyWiki internals confirm that this safe
> to do, or are there instances where I could lose data?
> On Friday, 14 May 2021 at 20:26:51 UTC+1 si wrote:
>
>> Yep this is what I had initially decided, however I have a slightly
>> idiosyncratic use case which means that it will be easier for me to use
>> fields.
>>
>> Hence why I just wanted to know if I will potentially lose any data by
>> going down this route.
>> On Friday, 14 May 2021 at 20:10:00 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> I would recommend using a JSON tiddler!
>>> If you store text of tidA then you can have tidA-History to keep these!
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 11:34 PM si wrote:
>>>
I've create a button that will move the contents of the "text" field of
one tiddler into a different field ("text-history") of another tiddler.
I anticipate in the future doing this with text fields that contain a
lot of content, including new lines, html tables, macro definitions etc.
Since fields appear on only one line I'm wondering if any formatting
information could be lost during this process?
I've done a test that involves new lines, and it seems that this data
is retained, but I'm just wondering if there is something that I might not
be anticipating, or will I always be able to transfer text back and forth
without losing anything?
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Re: [tw5] Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?
Sorry to bump this but I did a little test and looked at the source to see
how the data was stored.
I create a tiddler like this:
[image: tiddler.png]
Then I used action-setfield to move the text to a field called "test". When
I looked at the source I saw this:
[image: source-div.png]
So it looks to my non-technical eyes that "text" is stored in the
element, and other fields within the tag. However it also seems that
all the information was retained.
Can anyone with knowledge of TiddlyWiki internals confirm that this safe to
do, or are there instances where I could lose data?
On Friday, 14 May 2021 at 20:26:51 UTC+1 si wrote:
> Yep this is what I had initially decided, however I have a slightly
> idiosyncratic use case which means that it will be easier for me to use
> fields.
>
> Hence why I just wanted to know if I will potentially lose any data by
> going down this route.
> On Friday, 14 May 2021 at 20:10:00 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> I would recommend using a JSON tiddler!
>> If you store text of tidA then you can have tidA-History to keep these!
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 11:34 PM si wrote:
>>
>>> I've create a button that will move the contents of the "text" field of
>>> one tiddler into a different field ("text-history") of another tiddler.
>>>
>>> I anticipate in the future doing this with text fields that contain a
>>> lot of content, including new lines, html tables, macro definitions etc.
>>> Since fields appear on only one line I'm wondering if any formatting
>>> information could be lost during this process?
>>>
>>> I've done a test that involves new lines, and it seems that this data is
>>> retained, but I'm just wondering if there is something that I might not be
>>> anticipating, or will I always be able to transfer text back and forth
>>> without losing anything?
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [tw5] Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?
Yep this is what I had initially decided, however I have a slightly
idiosyncratic use case which means that it will be easier for me to use
fields.
Hence why I just wanted to know if I will potentially lose any data by
going down this route.
On Friday, 14 May 2021 at 20:10:00 UTC+1 Mohammad wrote:
> I would recommend using a JSON tiddler!
> If you store text of tidA then you can have tidA-History to keep these!
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 11:34 PM si wrote:
>
>> I've create a button that will move the contents of the "text" field of
>> one tiddler into a different field ("text-history") of another tiddler.
>>
>> I anticipate in the future doing this with text fields that contain a lot
>> of content, including new lines, html tables, macro definitions etc. Since
>> fields appear on only one line I'm wondering if any formatting information
>> could be lost during this process?
>>
>> I've done a test that involves new lines, and it seems that this data is
>> retained, but I'm just wondering if there is something that I might not be
>> anticipating, or will I always be able to transfer text back and forth
>> without losing anything?
>>
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Re: [tw5] Does the "text" field store data differently to other fields?
I would recommend using a JSON tiddler!
If you store text of tidA then you can have tidA-History to keep these!
Best wishes
Mohammad
On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 11:34 PM si wrote:
> I've create a button that will move the contents of the "text" field of
> one tiddler into a different field ("text-history") of another tiddler.
>
> I anticipate in the future doing this with text fields that contain a lot
> of content, including new lines, html tables, macro definitions etc. Since
> fields appear on only one line I'm wondering if any formatting information
> could be lost during this process?
>
> I've done a test that involves new lines, and it seems that this data is
> retained, but I'm just wondering if there is something that I might not be
> anticipating, or will I always be able to transfer text back and forth
> without losing anything?
>
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