Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-20 Thread EB4APL

Hi Nigel,

Yes, I had tried Tboltmon v 2.60 but probably because it was very late 
and a senior moment  I didn't notice the GPSTM tab which precisely have 
the lights function that I was talking about, thank you for the hint.
The capability of turning the lights is not important, it is just 
aesthetics.  I have enclosed my board in a recycled HiFi cabinet, 
mounted the separate panel board at the front and  these monitoring LEDs 
are visible at the front panel.  Then I labeled them and now I have a 
permanent Comm fault ON and a Normal light OFF.  This is normal 
because the NTGS50AA is not communicating anymore with its intended cell 
tower equipment but it is annoying and I have to explain it to any 
friend who sees it and says Ignacio, you have an alarm!.
For all practical purposes I use  Lady Heather, it is plenty of useful 
functions and the author kindly added support for these boards when they 
appeared in eBay but unfortunately this version not handle the lights 
that are used only in there.


Regards,
Ignacio EB4APL



On 19/01/2014 10:26, gandal...@aol.com wrote:

Hi Ignacio
  
Your mention of the lights control had me confused for a minute, probably

not that difficult these days:-), because I do remember seeing that so was
wondering if the GPSTM tool had worked for me at one time after all.
  
However, a search through the various trimble programs reminded me  that

the Thunderbolt monitor, Tboltmon 2v60, has a GPSTM tab that does just this
and I've checked the LED control and that works ok here, although I'm not
sure  why I would ever need it.
  
I can't say whether or not the GPSTM tool has other options this lacks but

it might be worth a try anyway.
  
If you haven't already got it you should be able to find Tboltmon online

but I'm happy to send you a copy if you wish.
  
I've also found that the NTGS50AA is as vulnerable as other Trimble kit

when it comes to swapping about the various Trimble control programs, this one
  at the moment has decided to default to internal port B and so far refuses
  to permanently store any instructions to switch back again!!
Here we go again, anyone seen my hammer?
  
To return to the subject line though, Lady H still dives in  without

hesitation and just gets on with the job, she really is one  very capable 
Lady:-)
  
Regards
  
Nigel

GM8PZR
  
  
  
In a message dated 19/01/2014 01:12:45 GMT Standard Time,

eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es writes:

Hi  Nigel,

The GPSTM tool (The program identifies itself as GPS Monitor v  1.5, to
contribute to the entropy) also gives the same errors when  connected to
my NTGS50AA, caused by bad programming that becomes crazy  when listening
to a device that sends data at 9600 Bd, but in the rare  occasions when
it syncs it works quite well and it has specific  Trimble-Nortel
functions for the NTGS50AA and its cousins, like the  ability to handling
the front panel lights.
Using the other GPS  monitor, the GPS Studio or even the Thunderbolt
monitor is easy as they  seems to recognize the baud rate but they lack
the special features noted  above.
I too prefer Lady Heather, it  is another kind (better) of  animal with a
lot of other useful  things.

Regards,
Ignacio


On 18/01/2014 17:19,  gandal...@aol.com wrote:

Hi Ignacio
   
I'm  not familiar with the GPSTM tool, trying to run it here gen.erates

  exception errors, but from what I see when it's trying to boot it's much

  the

same format as Trimble's various other  offerings.
   
If you run Trimble GPS Monitor though,  version 1.6 was the latest but

1.05

is fine too, and that  doesn't connect there's likely to be a box  showing
IDLE in the  bottom right hand corner of the displayed screen for  that.
If  you right click that you should get a drop down menu with the top item
  COM Port...
Left clicking that should bring up a small panel   for selecting Com  port
and settings with a tick button for  Auto-detect settings.
If you select that tick button and hit OK it  should run through all that
standard options for baud rate and  protocol etc and should hopefully find
whatever it's set to at the  moment.
   
I've just tried this with an NTGS50AA  that's been running with Lady

Heather

   and it very quickly  connected using TSIP at 9600-8-None-1.
   
Once  running in GPS monitor it's fairly straightforward to change

settings

  to what you prefer, at least it is for appropriate Trimble GPS modules

but

I haven't tried using it to make changes with the  NTGS50AA.
   
I have observed though that Lady  Heather can make other  unexpected

changes

at times.
I've  been playing with some Trimble Resolution T and Resolution SMT

modules

   recently, along with various different versions of  Trimble GPS

software as

   well as Lady Heather, and was  losing settings, apparently at random,
until I realised that Lady H  was changing the format for output data

such  as

position and  altitude etc to alternative formats that GPS Monitor and

Trimble

  Studio, for example 

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-19 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Ignacio
 
Your mention of the lights control had me confused for a minute, probably  
not that difficult these days:-), because I do remember seeing that so was  
wondering if the GPSTM tool had worked for me at one time after all.
 
However, a search through the various trimble programs reminded me  that 
the Thunderbolt monitor, Tboltmon 2v60, has a GPSTM tab that does just this  
and I've checked the LED control and that works ok here, although I'm not 
sure  why I would ever need it.
 
I can't say whether or not the GPSTM tool has other options this lacks but  
it might be worth a try anyway.
 
If you haven't already got it you should be able to find Tboltmon online  
but I'm happy to send you a copy if you wish.
 
I've also found that the NTGS50AA is as vulnerable as other Trimble kit  
when it comes to swapping about the various Trimble control programs, this one 
 at the moment has decided to default to internal port B and so far refuses 
 to permanently store any instructions to switch back again!!
Here we go again, anyone seen my hammer?
 
To return to the subject line though, Lady H still dives in  without 
hesitation and just gets on with the job, she really is one  very capable 
Lady:-)
 
Regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 
 
 
In a message dated 19/01/2014 01:12:45 GMT Standard Time,  
eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es writes:

Hi  Nigel,

The GPSTM tool (The program identifies itself as GPS Monitor v  1.5, to 
contribute to the entropy) also gives the same errors when  connected to 
my NTGS50AA, caused by bad programming that becomes crazy  when listening 
to a device that sends data at 9600 Bd, but in the rare  occasions when 
it syncs it works quite well and it has specific  Trimble-Nortel 
functions for the NTGS50AA and its cousins, like the  ability to handling 
the front panel lights.
Using the other GPS  monitor, the GPS Studio or even the Thunderbolt 
monitor is easy as they  seems to recognize the baud rate but they lack 
the special features noted  above.
I too prefer Lady Heather, it  is another kind (better) of  animal with a 
lot of other useful  things.

Regards,
Ignacio


On 18/01/2014 17:19,  gandal...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi Ignacio
   
 I'm  not familiar with the GPSTM tool, trying to run it here gen.erates
  exception errors, but from what I see when it's trying to boot it's much 
 the
 same format as Trimble's various other  offerings.
   
 If you run Trimble GPS Monitor though,  version 1.6 was the latest but  
1.05
 is fine too, and that  doesn't connect there's likely to be a box  showing
 IDLE in the  bottom right hand corner of the displayed screen for  that.
 If  you right click that you should get a drop down menu with the top item
  COM Port...
 Left clicking that should bring up a small panel   for selecting Com  port
 and settings with a tick button for  Auto-detect settings.
 If you select that tick button and hit OK it  should run through all that
 standard options for baud rate and  protocol etc and should hopefully find
 whatever it's set to at the  moment.
   
 I've just tried this with an NTGS50AA  that's been running with Lady 
Heather
   and it very quickly  connected using TSIP at 9600-8-None-1.
   
 Once  running in GPS monitor it's fairly straightforward to change 
settings
  to what you prefer, at least it is for appropriate Trimble GPS modules  
but
 I haven't tried using it to make changes with the  NTGS50AA.
   
 I have observed though that Lady  Heather can make other  unexpected 
changes
 at times.
 I've  been playing with some Trimble Resolution T and Resolution SMT  
modules
   recently, along with various different versions of  Trimble GPS 
software as
   well as Lady Heather, and was  losing settings, apparently at random,
 until I realised that Lady H  was changing the format for output data 
such  as
 position and  altitude etc to alternative formats that GPS Monitor and  
Trimble
  Studio, for example wouldn't or couldn't display.
   
  It's easy enough to put them back, and once done they seem to survive
  different versions of Trimble software as well as power cycling etc etc, 
  but
 when run with Lady H they reset again.
 Once aware of this  I've just accomodated it and haven't bothered to
 investigate further,  so it's quite possibly something in a config file 
that  could
 be  changed, but to be fair to Lady H, Trimbles own software isn't best
  behaved at times either.
   
 When running the  NTGS50AA with GPS monitor just now I noticed the 
position
 data is  greyed out, even though it still displays fine with Lady H, but 
I'm
  a  bit more cautious about tempting to configure these with  Trimble's
 software and  much prefer running them with Lady H  anyway.
   
 Regards
   
  Nigel
 GM8PZR
   

   
   
 In a message dated  18/01/2014 14:57:03 GMT Standard Time,
 eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es  writes:

 I have a  NTGS50AA working with the Lady Heather  last version which
 incorporate  support for this board (Thanks  Mask Sims).
 When I bought the 

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-19 Thread GandalfG8
Whoopswill now write 1000 times...I must pay more  attention:-)
 
I see you've already tried Tboltmon, so I presume there must be a bit  more 
to GPSTM monitor than is obvious from my quick glimpses before it  crashes.
 
Let's see if it will run under Win98..
 
Regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 
 
In a message dated 19/01/2014 01:12:45 GMT Standard Time,  
eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es writes:

Hi  Nigel,

The GPSTM tool (The program identifies itself as GPS Monitor v  1.5, to 
contribute to the entropy) also gives the same errors when  connected to 
my NTGS50AA, caused by bad programming that becomes crazy  when listening 
to a device that sends data at 9600 Bd, but in the rare  occasions when 
it syncs it works quite well and it has specific  Trimble-Nortel 
functions for the NTGS50AA and its cousins, like the  ability to handling 
the front panel lights.
Using the other GPS  monitor, the GPS Studio or even the Thunderbolt 
monitor is easy as they  seems to recognize the baud rate but they lack 
the special features noted  above.
I too prefer Lady Heather, it  is another kind (better) of  animal with a 
lot of other useful  things.

Regards,
Ignacio


On 18/01/2014 17:19,  gandal...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi Ignacio
   
 I'm  not familiar with the GPSTM tool, trying to run it here gen.erates
  exception errors, but from what I see when it's trying to boot it's much 
 the
 same format as Trimble's various other  offerings.
   
 If you run Trimble GPS Monitor though,  version 1.6 was the latest but  
1.05
 is fine too, and that  doesn't connect there's likely to be a box  showing
 IDLE in the  bottom right hand corner of the displayed screen for  that.
 If  you right click that you should get a drop down menu with the top item
  COM Port...
 Left clicking that should bring up a small panel   for selecting Com  port
 and settings with a tick button for  Auto-detect settings.
 If you select that tick button and hit OK it  should run through all that
 standard options for baud rate and  protocol etc and should hopefully find
 whatever it's set to at the  moment.
   
 I've just tried this with an NTGS50AA  that's been running with Lady 
Heather
   and it very quickly  connected using TSIP at 9600-8-None-1.
   
 Once  running in GPS monitor it's fairly straightforward to change 
settings
  to what you prefer, at least it is for appropriate Trimble GPS modules  
but
 I haven't tried using it to make changes with the  NTGS50AA.
   
 I have observed though that Lady  Heather can make other  unexpected 
changes
 at times.
 I've  been playing with some Trimble Resolution T and Resolution SMT  
modules
   recently, along with various different versions of  Trimble GPS 
software as
   well as Lady Heather, and was  losing settings, apparently at random,
 until I realised that Lady H  was changing the format for output data 
such  as
 position and  altitude etc to alternative formats that GPS Monitor and  
Trimble
  Studio, for example wouldn't or couldn't display.
   
  It's easy enough to put them back, and once done they seem to survive
  different versions of Trimble software as well as power cycling etc etc, 
  but
 when run with Lady H they reset again.
 Once aware of this  I've just accomodated it and haven't bothered to
 investigate further,  so it's quite possibly something in a config file 
that  could
 be  changed, but to be fair to Lady H, Trimbles own software isn't best
  behaved at times either.
   
 When running the  NTGS50AA with GPS monitor just now I noticed the 
position
 data is  greyed out, even though it still displays fine with Lady H, but 
I'm
  a  bit more cautious about tempting to configure these with  Trimble's
 software and  much prefer running them with Lady H  anyway.
   
 Regards
   
  Nigel
 GM8PZR
   

   
   
 In a message dated  18/01/2014 14:57:03 GMT Standard Time,
 eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es  writes:

 I have a  NTGS50AA working with the Lady Heather  last version which
 incorporate  support for this board (Thanks  Mask Sims).
 When I bought the board I used  the Trimble utility  GPS Monitor (GPSTM
 Commissioning Tool V1.5) to set it  up and in  the way knowing that it was
 previously  working in   Guatemala.  This program uses COM1 or 2 with a
 fixed  configuration of  19200, 7,Odd and 1stop bit. After using LH it
  seems that it changed the  parameters to 9600.0.N,1 probably using  an
 undocumented command and the  board stores this configuration  even if
 unpowered.  But now I can't  use  the Trimble  program because it refuses
 to connect, even it  crashes when  trying to connect at 19200 baud.
 Strangely it worked a  couple of  times when I was trying to command the
 leds in the panel but I   don't know how it managed to change the baud 
rate.
 Does anybody know  how to  change the configuration of the board serial
 port, maybe  an undocumented  command? I have the manual but I don't find
  anything neither in the LH  documentation.

  Regards,
 Ignacio

  

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-19 Thread GandalfG8
Oh well, 0230 is probably as good a time as any to call it quits for the  
day:-)
 
I've now tried Win98 and even loaded Win95 on to an old laptop as that  and 
NT was what the GPSTM tool was originally intended to run under and it's  
still not happy, so it does look to be a non starter, in more ways than  
one:-)
 
With the GPSTM tool not working the Thunderbolt monitor does seem to  be 
one of the better Trimble options for working with the NTGS50AA  and certainly 
the best under Win95, given that both GPS Monitor and Studio  are reporting 
a missing DLL at the moment.
That's probably not too surprising as these are more closely related  to 
each other than they are to most other Trimble products and TBoltMon  
definitely allows changes to things like the elevation and signal level masks,  
for 
example, whereas some of their other software might give the impression it's 
 registering the changes whilst not actually doing anything.
 
It seemed at first that TR Monitor might also be useful, as  it allows 
acces to both of the internal serial ports, but that too now  seems a bit 
suspect.
It's always talking to port B, or at least claiming to be,  although that's 
not immediately obvious if the settings are the  same, and whilst the 
indication of both COM port settings did  seem potentially quite useful at 
first 
it also seems there's a lot more  random changes to those settings when 
it's in use, so it's hard to be sure at  times if it's just reporting what it 
sees or reporting what it's done.
 
If nothing else at least it goes to show that turning your back on a Lady  
with a whip might not be such a good idea after all:-)
 
Regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 19/01/2014 01:12:45 GMT Standard Time,  
eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es writes:

Hi  Nigel,

The GPSTM tool (The program identifies itself as GPS Monitor v  1.5, to 
contribute to the entropy) also gives the same errors when  connected to 
my NTGS50AA, caused by bad programming that becomes crazy  when listening 
to a device that sends data at 9600 Bd, but in the rare  occasions when 
it syncs it works quite well and it has specific  Trimble-Nortel 
functions for the NTGS50AA and its cousins, like the  ability to handling 
the front panel lights.
Using the other GPS  monitor, the GPS Studio or even the Thunderbolt 
monitor is easy as they  seems to recognize the baud rate but they lack 
the special features noted  above.
I too prefer Lady Heather, it  is another kind (better) of  animal with a 
lot of other useful  things.

Regards,
Ignacio


On 18/01/2014 17:19,  gandal...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi Ignacio
   
 I'm  not familiar with the GPSTM tool, trying to run it here gen.erates
  exception errors, but from what I see when it's trying to boot it's much 
 the
 same format as Trimble's various other  offerings.
   
 If you run Trimble GPS Monitor though,  version 1.6 was the latest but  
1.05
 is fine too, and that  doesn't connect there's likely to be a box  showing
 IDLE in the  bottom right hand corner of the displayed screen for  that.
 If  you right click that you should get a drop down menu with the top item
  COM Port...
 Left clicking that should bring up a small panel   for selecting Com  port
 and settings with a tick button for  Auto-detect settings.
 If you select that tick button and hit OK it  should run through all that
 standard options for baud rate and  protocol etc and should hopefully find
 whatever it's set to at the  moment.
   
 I've just tried this with an NTGS50AA  that's been running with Lady 
Heather
   and it very quickly  connected using TSIP at 9600-8-None-1.
   
 Once  running in GPS monitor it's fairly straightforward to change 
settings
  to what you prefer, at least it is for appropriate Trimble GPS modules  
but
 I haven't tried using it to make changes with the  NTGS50AA.
   
 I have observed though that Lady  Heather can make other  unexpected 
changes
 at times.
 I've  been playing with some Trimble Resolution T and Resolution SMT  
modules
   recently, along with various different versions of  Trimble GPS 
software as
   well as Lady Heather, and was  losing settings, apparently at random,
 until I realised that Lady H  was changing the format for output data 
such  as
 position and  altitude etc to alternative formats that GPS Monitor and  
Trimble
  Studio, for example wouldn't or couldn't display.
   
  It's easy enough to put them back, and once done they seem to survive
  different versions of Trimble software as well as power cycling etc etc, 
  but
 when run with Lady H they reset again.
 Once aware of this  I've just accomodated it and haven't bothered to
 investigate further,  so it's quite possibly something in a config file 
that  could
 be  changed, but to be fair to Lady H, Trimbles own software isn't best
  behaved at times either.
   
 When running the  NTGS50AA with GPS monitor just now I noticed the 
position
 data is  greyed out, even though it still displays fine with Lady 

[time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-18 Thread EB4APL
I have a NTGS50AA working with the Lady Heather last version which 
incorporate support for this board (Thanks Mask Sims).
When I bought the board I used the Trimble utility GPS Monitor (GPSTM 
Commissioning Tool V1.5) to set it up and in the way knowing that it was 
previously  working in Guatemala.  This program uses COM1 or 2 with a 
fixed configuration of 19200, 7,Odd and 1stop bit. After using LH it 
seems that it changed the parameters to 9600.0.N,1 probably using an 
undocumented command and the board stores this configuration even if 
unpowered.  But now I can't use  the Trimble program because it refuses 
to connect, even it crashes when trying to connect at 19200 baud.  
Strangely it worked a couple of times when I was trying to command the 
leds in the panel but I don't know how it managed to change the baud rate.
Does anybody know how to change the configuration of the board serial 
port, maybe an undocumented command? I have the manual but I don't find 
anything neither in the LH documentation.


Regards,
Ignacio

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-18 Thread EB4APL

Oops, I meant Mark Sims, sorry.

Ignacio EB4APL


On18/01/2014 15:27, EB4APL wrote:
I have a NTGS50AA working with the Lady Heather last version which 
incorporate support for this board (Thanks Mask Sims).
When I bought the board I used the Trimble utility GPS Monitor (GPSTM 
Commissioning Tool V1.5) to set it up and in the way knowing that it 
was previously  working in Guatemala.  This program uses COM1 or 2 
with a fixed configuration of 19200, 7,Odd and 1stop bit. After using 
LH it seems that it changed the parameters to 9600.0.N,1 probably 
using an undocumented command and the board stores this configuration 
even if unpowered.  But now I can't use  the Trimble program because 
it refuses to connect, even it crashes when trying to connect at 19200 
baud. Strangely it worked a couple of times when I was trying to 
command the leds in the panel but I don't know how it managed to 
change the baud rate.
Does anybody know how to change the configuration of the board serial 
port, maybe an undocumented command? I have the manual but I don't 
find anything neither in the LH documentation.


Regards,
Ignacio

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-18 Thread Graeme Zimmer

Ignatio,

Not exactly what you have asked, but I notice that Trimble Tboltmon 
won't connect to a device which requires Odd parity.


You can select Odd parity, but it fails to connect, and the details at 
the bottom remain fixed at N,8,1


So for Odd parity I can only use Trimble Studio. I haven't figured out 
exactly why yet.



regards  Zim





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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-18 Thread Stanley

Ignacio,

The Strangely it worked a couple of times maybe it has auto baud routine 
that is active shortly after reset or power on.


Stanley

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From: EB4APL eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement 
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Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:27 AM
Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA


I have a NTGS50AA working with the Lady Heather last version which 
incorporate support for this board (Thanks Mask Sims).
When I bought the board I used the Trimble utility GPS Monitor (GPSTM 
Commissioning Tool V1.5) to set it up and in the way knowing that it was 
previously  working in Guatemala.  This program uses COM1 or 2 with a 
fixed configuration of 19200, 7,Odd and 1stop bit. After using LH it seems 
that it changed the parameters to 9600.0.N,1 probably using an 
undocumented command and the board stores this configuration even if 
unpowered.  But now I can't use  the Trimble program because it refuses to 
connect, even it crashes when trying to connect at 19200 baud.  Strangely 
it worked a couple of times when I was trying to command the leds in the 
panel but I don't know how it managed to change the baud rate.
Does anybody know how to change the configuration of the board serial 
port, maybe an undocumented command? I have the manual but I don't find 
anything neither in the LH documentation.


Regards,
Ignacio

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-18 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Ignacio
 
I'm not familiar with the GPSTM tool, trying to run it here generates  
exception errors, but from what I see when it's trying to boot it's much the  
same format as Trimble's various other offerings.
 
If you run Trimble GPS Monitor though, version 1.6 was the latest but  1.05 
is fine too, and that doesn't connect there's likely to be a box  showing 
IDLE in the bottom right hand corner of the displayed screen for  that.
If you right click that you should get a drop down menu with the top item  
COM Port...
Left clicking that should bring up a small panel  for selecting Com  port 
and settings with a tick button for Auto-detect settings.
If you select that tick button and hit OK it should run through all that  
standard options for baud rate and protocol etc and should hopefully find  
whatever it's set to at the moment.
 
I've just tried this with an NTGS50AA that's been running with Lady Heather 
 and it very quickly connected using TSIP at 9600-8-None-1.
 
Once running in GPS monitor it's fairly straightforward to change settings  
to what you prefer, at least it is for appropriate Trimble GPS modules but  
I haven't tried using it to make changes with the NTGS50AA.
 
I have observed though that Lady Heather can make other  unexpected changes 
at times.
I've been playing with some Trimble Resolution T and Resolution SMT modules 
 recently, along with various different versions of Trimble GPS software as 
 well as Lady Heather, and was losing settings, apparently at random,  
until I realised that Lady H was changing the format for output data such  as 
position and altitude etc to alternative formats that GPS Monitor and  Trimble 
Studio, for example wouldn't or couldn't display.
 
It's easy enough to put them back, and once done they seem to survive  
different versions of Trimble software as well as power cycling etc etc,  but 
when run with Lady H they reset again.
Once aware of this I've just accomodated it and haven't bothered to  
investigate further, so it's quite possibly something in a config file that  
could 
be changed, but to be fair to Lady H, Trimbles own software isn't best  
behaved at times either.
 
When running the NTGS50AA with GPS monitor just now I noticed the position  
data is greyed out, even though it still displays fine with Lady H, but I'm 
a  bit more cautious about tempting to configure these with Trimble's 
software and  much prefer running them with Lady H anyway.
 
Regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 18/01/2014 14:57:03 GMT Standard Time,  
eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es writes:

I have a  NTGS50AA working with the Lady Heather last version which 
incorporate  support for this board (Thanks Mask Sims).
When I bought the board I used  the Trimble utility GPS Monitor (GPSTM 
Commissioning Tool V1.5) to set it  up and in the way knowing that it was 
previously  working in  Guatemala.  This program uses COM1 or 2 with a 
fixed configuration of  19200, 7,Odd and 1stop bit. After using LH it 
seems that it changed the  parameters to 9600.0.N,1 probably using an 
undocumented command and the  board stores this configuration even if 
unpowered.  But now I can't  use  the Trimble program because it refuses 
to connect, even it  crashes when trying to connect at 19200 baud.  
Strangely it worked a  couple of times when I was trying to command the 
leds in the panel but I  don't know how it managed to change the baud rate.
Does anybody know how to  change the configuration of the board serial 
port, maybe an undocumented  command? I have the manual but I don't find 
anything neither in the LH  documentation.

Regards,
Ignacio

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-18 Thread EB4APL
I will try it, but always it happened after connecting the serial cable 
to the GPSDO that had been on for a long time.


Regards,
Ignacio




On 18/01/2014 17:07, Stanley wrote:

Ignacio,

The Strangely it worked a couple of times maybe it has auto baud 
routine that is active shortly after reset or power on.


Stanley

- Original Message - From: EB4APL eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es
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Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:27 AM
Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA


I have a NTGS50AA working with the Lady Heather last version which 
incorporate support for this board (Thanks Mask Sims).
When I bought the board I used the Trimble utility GPS Monitor (GPSTM 
Commissioning Tool V1.5) to set it up and in the way knowing that it 
was previously  working in Guatemala.  This program uses COM1 or 2 
with a fixed configuration of 19200, 7,Odd and 1stop bit. After using 
LH it seems that it changed the parameters to 9600.0.N,1 probably 
using an undocumented command and the board stores this configuration 
even if unpowered.  But now I can't use  the Trimble program because 
it refuses to connect, even it crashes when trying to connect at 
19200 baud. Strangely it worked a couple of times when I was trying 
to command the leds in the panel but I don't know how it managed to 
change the baud rate.
Does anybody know how to change the configuration of the board serial 
port, maybe an undocumented command? I have the manual but I don't 
find anything neither in the LH documentation.


Regards,
Ignacio

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Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-18 Thread EB4APL

Hi Nigel,

The GPSTM tool (The program identifies itself as GPS Monitor v 1.5, to 
contribute to the entropy) also gives the same errors when connected to 
my NTGS50AA, caused by bad programming that becomes crazy when listening 
to a device that sends data at 9600 Bd, but in the rare occasions when 
it syncs it works quite well and it has specific Trimble-Nortel 
functions for the NTGS50AA and its cousins, like the ability to handling 
the front panel lights.
Using the other GPS monitor, the GPS Studio or even the Thunderbolt 
monitor is easy as they seems to recognize the baud rate but they lack 
the special features noted above.
I too prefer Lady Heather, it  is another kind (better) of animal with a 
lot of other useful things.


Regards,
Ignacio


On 18/01/2014 17:19, gandal...@aol.com wrote:

Hi Ignacio
  
I'm not familiar with the GPSTM tool, trying to run it here gen.erates

exception errors, but from what I see when it's trying to boot it's much the
same format as Trimble's various other offerings.
  
If you run Trimble GPS Monitor though, version 1.6 was the latest but  1.05

is fine too, and that doesn't connect there's likely to be a box  showing
IDLE in the bottom right hand corner of the displayed screen for  that.
If you right click that you should get a drop down menu with the top item
COM Port...
Left clicking that should bring up a small panel  for selecting Com  port
and settings with a tick button for Auto-detect settings.
If you select that tick button and hit OK it should run through all that
standard options for baud rate and protocol etc and should hopefully find
whatever it's set to at the moment.
  
I've just tried this with an NTGS50AA that's been running with Lady Heather

  and it very quickly connected using TSIP at 9600-8-None-1.
  
Once running in GPS monitor it's fairly straightforward to change settings

to what you prefer, at least it is for appropriate Trimble GPS modules but
I haven't tried using it to make changes with the NTGS50AA.
  
I have observed though that Lady Heather can make other  unexpected changes

at times.
I've been playing with some Trimble Resolution T and Resolution SMT modules
  recently, along with various different versions of Trimble GPS software as
  well as Lady Heather, and was losing settings, apparently at random,
until I realised that Lady H was changing the format for output data such  as
position and altitude etc to alternative formats that GPS Monitor and  Trimble
Studio, for example wouldn't or couldn't display.
  
It's easy enough to put them back, and once done they seem to survive

different versions of Trimble software as well as power cycling etc etc,  but
when run with Lady H they reset again.
Once aware of this I've just accomodated it and haven't bothered to
investigate further, so it's quite possibly something in a config file that  
could
be changed, but to be fair to Lady H, Trimbles own software isn't best
behaved at times either.
  
When running the NTGS50AA with GPS monitor just now I noticed the position

data is greyed out, even though it still displays fine with Lady H, but I'm
a  bit more cautious about tempting to configure these with Trimble's
software and  much prefer running them with Lady H anyway.
  
Regards
  
Nigel

GM8PZR
  
  
  
  
In a message dated 18/01/2014 14:57:03 GMT Standard Time,

eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es writes:

I have a  NTGS50AA working with the Lady Heather last version which
incorporate  support for this board (Thanks Mask Sims).
When I bought the board I used  the Trimble utility GPS Monitor (GPSTM
Commissioning Tool V1.5) to set it  up and in the way knowing that it was
previously  working in  Guatemala.  This program uses COM1 or 2 with a
fixed configuration of  19200, 7,Odd and 1stop bit. After using LH it
seems that it changed the  parameters to 9600.0.N,1 probably using an
undocumented command and the  board stores this configuration even if
unpowered.  But now I can't  use  the Trimble program because it refuses
to connect, even it  crashes when trying to connect at 19200 baud.
Strangely it worked a  couple of times when I was trying to command the
leds in the panel but I  don't know how it managed to change the baud rate.
Does anybody know how to  change the configuration of the board serial
port, maybe an undocumented  command? I have the manual but I don't find
anything neither in the LH  documentation.

Regards,
Ignacio

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