Re: [Trisquel-users] Freedom Phoenix : Radio Talk on the FCC lock down of Free Software (FSF's Josh Gay & Christopher Waid)

2015-09-17 Thread ethernet252
They must Love people who use Proprietary software and they must hate  
GNU/Linux users and that the FCC and proprietary software/firmware lovers  
would pejoratively call us "linux fanboys"


Re: [Trisquel-users] Help needed - Cannot log in trisquel after external harddisk not ejected properly

2015-09-17 Thread devtaporia

Thanks for reply.. :)

The keyboard layout was changed after defining the password. I am able to log  
in through terminal and change the password through sudo passwd command. the  
problem still persists as i am unable to log in to Graphical interface even  
if i click alt+f7 after logging in through terminal (i am shown the same  
enter password page).


I have tried entering password in both layouts, it seems the password is not  
the problem as it does not show invalid password error in red. It tries to  
accept it but loops back to the same screen.


i am new to gnulinux and unable to follow 3rd paragraph. what will following  
the last line achieve ?


[Trisquel-users] Re : Help needed - Cannot log in trisquel after external harddisk not ejected properly

2015-09-17 Thread lcerf
You do not need the third paragraph that is about getting a root terminal on  
your system without inputting any password (e.g., if you had forgotten it).  
Since you managed to execute 'sudo passwd' and the problem is not solve, I  
now see that it has nothing to do with the password.


It looks like your X server gets killed when you try to launch the desktop.  
There may be relevant information at the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log that you  
can read from the terminal:

$ less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
You can as well copy (with 'cp') /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a USB key and show it  
to us.


You can try to add a user (named "banana" in my example) and see if you can  
graphically log with this user:

$ sudo adduser banana


Re: [Trisquel-users] Freedom Phoenix : Radio Talk on the FCC lock down of Free Software (FSF's Josh Gay & Christopher Waid)

2015-09-17 Thread tomlukeywood

"Chris, you must save wifi."
Chris is doing very good work but it takes more than 1 person to save wifi

for now we lets get as many complaints to this page as possible
https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2015/09/01/2015-21634/extension-of-time-for-comments-on-equipment-authorization

and try and educate as many people about it


Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a shut down log, and where can I find it ?

2015-09-17 Thread amenex
Being leery of executing "sudo rm /etc/rc*/*apache2" with the wildcard rc*,  
instead I went to each /etc/rc?.d directory in turn (rc0.d through rc6.d) and  
executed "sudo mv K09apache2 /dev/null" after which "find /etc/rc* -name  
'*apache*'" produced no output. Then, being curious, I executed "find /*/*  
-name '*apache*'" which I do not recommend that anyone do unless they have  
the time to undo the result, which is a near infinite list of files, scripts,  
"permission denied" and the like. It did reach a conclusion, after which I  
closed the console. Preparing to come here to report my success in ridding  
the system of apache, I found that the terminal could not be re-opened. Upon  
executing a restart I was greeted with the biggest blinky screen of all,  
detailing every aspect of my transgression. After the restart everything  
works OK again.


However, the README file in each /etc/rc?.d directory provides a clue to the  
mechanism by which a shutdown log could be created: "The scripts in this  
directory are executed once when entering runlevel "?". The scripts are all  
symbolic links whose targets are located in /etc/init.d/ . Generally it is  
not necessary to alter the scripts in this directory. Their purpose is to  
stop all services and to make the system ready for shutdown." I added the  
wildcard "?" to signify "0" through "6". There is also a directory  
/etc/rcS.d/ but that is for startup scripts, and it had no reference to  
apache.


Poking around on the Internet, I found this page:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/416299/execute-command-before-shutdown-reboot

Where it says in part:

> To execute a script at shutdown or reboot:
>
>save your script in /etc/rc6.d
>Make it executable: sudo chmod +x K99_script
>
> Notes:
>
>The script in rc6.d must be with no .sh extension
>The name of your script must begin with K99 to run at the right time.
>The scripts in this directory are executed in alphabetical order.

This advice was in reference to the need to shut down forgotten VM's in an  
orderly fashion. What I need to do will probably require that the script open  
a file at the beginning of shutdown for input during the shutdown, meaning  
that such script should be named with the prefix K01_script.


Now I just need to dream up that script ... with the caveat that saving the  
input from freshclam to a log file has to be suppressed. I'll start here:  
http://askubuntu.com/questions/471285/how-to-create-execute-a-script-file








Re: [Trisquel-users] MacBook 1,1 to Libreboot in software way

2015-09-17 Thread tomlukeywood

if your wifi card wont work you can just get a external one:
https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb


Re: [Trisquel-users] Installing Trisquel and gentoo on another drive, grub required?.

2015-09-17 Thread greatgnu
I installed Debian 8 on a USB stick when it came out in May and if I remember  
correctly at the end of the installation it asked me if I wanted to install  
grub so, not being sure I clicked "no" and that resulted in an unbootable  
Debian stick..
So I reinstalled and answered "yes" to "install grub" and was asked to choose  
the hard disk on which to install it (either my lappy hard drive or the USB  
stick itself - I selected my hard drive and that way the grub on my hard  
drive just got updated with the entry for booting Debian from the USB..


cheers


Re: [Trisquel-users] Installing Trisquel and gentoo on another drive, grub required?.

2015-09-17 Thread moxalt
I don't think so. GRUB only needs to be installed on the master boot record of
the first hard drive (or whatever media you have decided to set as the boot
media- this is usually /dev/sda or something of that sort), and (if configured
correctly) it will be able to boot into any installed operating system on any
other media, handing control over to it. Try installing Ututo on the second
hard drive- it will probably have options related to dual-boot/disk
partitioning in the installer, and will (hopefully) work out of the box,
probably setting up its own grub.cfg. If GRUB doesn't recognise, you can always
rectify the situation by chrooting into the second drive from the first, so you
should be able to get it to work one way or another. Give it a go, and tell us
what happens.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Generative Load-Screen (Pixel Art Image)

2015-09-17 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
Try this, become super usersudo suthen to display 10 seconds of  
saverplymouthd; plymouth --show-splash ; for ((I=0; I


Re: [Trisquel-users] MacBook 1,1 to Libreboot in software way

2015-09-17 Thread moxalt
So in theory Libreboot can run on practically anything? Is it just that most
BIOS ROMs are protected against flashing by software, so that Libreboot can in
practice only be installed on certain devices which lack reflashing protection?

Is that why Libreboot is only supported on a rather small number of devices?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Google Chrome For Trisquel

2015-09-17 Thread tegskywalker
I'm trying out Iridium now and it seems that they boast about not using  
Google for DNS lookups but instead take you to their own page. Does this  
browser fix what the free software deems as bad? Aka removing code that  
doesn't have a license (or is vague) and blobs?


[Trisquel-users] Helping new users choose application software

2015-09-17 Thread strypey
Greetings. The first thing I want to say is that I really appreciate all the  
work that goes into Trisquel. I value being able to download and use a fully  
free code OS, which is user-friendly enough to be installed for GNUbies (GNU  
newbies ;), to replace Windows versions as old as XP (or maybe even older). I  
appreciate that the applications software that comes bundled with a default  
Trisquel install is generally stable, user-friendly, and covers most users'  
everyday needs.


Since I can't contribute to free code software by programming it (at least  
not yet), I try to contribute by giving thoughtful feedback from a user  
perspective, in the hopes that this will help developers and maintainers  
improve it. The issue I want to address today is the methods available for  
installing new software from the Trisquel repositories. I'm going to start by  
describing my suggested solution, then explain the problem I believe my  
solution will solve.


In short, I propose that the difficulty level involved in installing an  
application should give some clue as to how user-friendly the application is.


AFAIK there are only three ways to install applications from the Trisquel  
repos:
* Add/Remove Programs: Any new GNU/Linux user who installs Trisquel will use  
AR/P a lot, at least at first, because A/RP is prominent in the start menu,  
and will be one of the first things new users see when they click the  
Trisquel icon on the start bar. Any applications offered here should be  
graphical, stable, and GNUbie-friendly.


* Synaptic Package Manager: Synaptic is a little more confusing, as it  
doesn't distinguish between user applications and other kinds of software, or  
between user-facing applications, and the various back-end packages they are  
made up of. However, it does have a GUI interface, so slightly more  
experienced users might venture into using Synaptic if they can't find what  
they're looking for in A/RP. Any applications offered here should be  
graphical and stable.


* Apt-get install: this requires a user to be comfortable opening a terminal  
and using the command line, remembering to use 'sudo', and knowing the exact  
package name of the application they want to install. I've been using  
GNU/Linux as a desktop OS for over a decade, and I still sometimes struggle  
with this. Any application in the repo can be installed this way, including  
command-line only apps, and experimental alpha and beta software, which is  
fine. Anyone who installs software this way is most likely prepared to cope  
with any problems that may come up.


I know I'm proposing a major change from the way package installation is  
currently done, which might require major changes to somehow mark available  
applications according to three classifications (suitable for GNUbies,  
suitable for intermediate users, suitable for experts). Why do this?


To illustrate what I'm proposing, I recently installed these four  
applications using A/RP: Hydrogen, Transcriber, FreeBirth, and FreeWheeler.


* Hydrogen: the version in the repos is beta software (0.9.6beta3), 9.6 was  
released over a year ago. The graphical UI (user interface) is mature, and  
intuitive enough that I could figure out how to start using it just by  
playing around. Even running the beta seems pretty stable, and from a look at  
the project homepage, the development community appears to be active. This is  
an example of a good application to make available in A/RP.


* Transcriber: the version in the repos (1.5.1) was released more than two  
years ago, and the package has been obseleted by TranscriberAG. The UI is  
graphical, but not optimized for GNUbies, for example, testing the stability  
was hard because I couldn't find my file partition using the open file  
dialogue (not even under /media or /mnt), and had to copy a speech file to  
the desktop because I could test with it. When I did manage to load the  
speech file, it loaded and played fine, so stability seems to be fine. This  
is an example of a good application to make available in Synaptic, but too  
rough-around-the-edges to be in AR/P.


* FreeWheeling is also experimental software (0.6-2) and the UI barely  
qualifies as graphical. No instructions are available, and the program won't  
even load the UI if JACK hasn't been started first. Another look at  
SourceForge suggests this may be a dead project too. This is an example of an  
application to make available only by apt-get install, or *maybe* Synaptic,  
but it certainly should *not* be available from AR/P.


* FreeBirth: the version in the repos, 0.3.2, was released in 2008. There are  
no bundled instructions, and no link to any. The UI is so bad I can't even  
figure out how to make it start. If it's the green button above the yellow  
button with the pause icon on it, that one just makes the app crash. A web  
search for "FreeBirth" brings up a SourceForge project, which says its alpha  
software, and appears 

Re: [Trisquel-users] My new trisquel rig!

2015-09-17 Thread strypey
Greetings fellow geek downunder! I live in Ōtepoti/ Dunedin, in Aotearoa/  
NZ. Are you in Australia or NZ? 


Re: [Trisquel-users] My new trisquel rig!

2015-09-17 Thread strypey
I couldn't get out of the first building! Also, I'm given to understand this  
is a proprietary game, although the ScummVM it runs on top of is free.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Google Chrome For Trisquel

2015-09-17 Thread mcz

Thanks.
I understand now.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!

2015-09-17 Thread strypey
What about nominating someone from Jitsi, for creating a fully free software  
WebRTC system we can use to wean people off Skype?


[Trisquel-users] UNetbootin won't install on Trisquel 7

2015-09-17 Thread strypey
I'm having problems installing UNetbootin on Trisquel 7. It's listed in  
Add/Remove Applications, but when I try to tick the check box, it just gives  
me the spinning beach ball of death. I tried using apt-get install but it  
just says no such package. Does anyone know what's going on here?


I would prefer to install the "Freenetbootin" fork that's been discussed on  
this forum. Any progress on getting that into the repos?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 feedback (with hardware details)

2015-09-17 Thread onpon4
Compiz was experimented with in Trisquel 6, but it turned out to cause  
problems with accessibility, so Trisquel 7 returned to just using Metacity by  
default.


Re: [Trisquel-users] My new trisquel rig!

2015-09-17 Thread onpon4
Beneath a Steel Sky has been released under a libre license, as have Flight  
of the Amazon Queen and a few others. Both of their licenses forbid selling  
copies of the games by themselves, but you can work around that by bundling  
them with any other unrelated file, like a simple Hello World program. The  
FSF accepted the SIL Open Font License as libre on this basis.


Re: [Trisquel-users] My new trisquel rig!

2015-09-17 Thread onpon4
As for the confusion, I think (if I remember correctly) that it's mostly  
because you do actions by right-clicking, not left-clicking (left-clicking  
only observes things).


[Trisquel-users] Some text recognizing libre program?

2015-09-17 Thread vitacell

Hi, is here some libre alternative to OCR or other proprietary program?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!

2015-09-17 Thread vitacell

You're right!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Helping new users choose application software

2015-09-17 Thread strypey
Just realised "Add/Remove Programs" (AR/P) should be "Add/Remove  
Applications" (AR/A). Doh!


Re: [Trisquel-users] UNetbootin won't install on Trisquel 7

2015-09-17 Thread tomlukeywood
Currently Freenetbootin is not in the repo's (dose anyone know how i could do  
this?)


but the spinning wheel of death is most likely due to unetbootin is no longer  
in trisquels repo's


due to offering to install non-free distros like ubuntu
its free software though

so if you want to download it you can from there website
https://unetbootin.github.io/

also if you feel confident to do so (and i could help)

you can compile Freenetbootin from source:
https://notabug.org/tomlukeywood/FreeNetBootin


Re: [Trisquel-users] Recommend me software for screen recording

2015-09-17 Thread tomlukeywood
Wow just tried it got so tired of recordmydesktop recording audio out of  
sync!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Its time to nominate your free software hero(s)!

2015-09-17 Thread tomlukeywood

Its SO hard to chose


Re: [Trisquel-users] Always underline keyboard access keys

2015-09-17 Thread mcz

Holding alt does nothing when I try.
But, as I'm trying things as I write, alt+the first letter of a menu item in  
Thunar opens the drop-down menu. That's cool.


Is it a way to make The whole trisquel work like VimFX?
If it is, I'm interested.
In that and other ways to go mouseless.
For now I use a keyboard-driven window manager, and VimFX for the browser.
I can move around somehow in Thunar (plus I should be able to set keyboard  
shortcuts for that).


Any other ways to go mouseless?
I just learned about Zathura for example.
I know it's also possible to apply a script that makes the mouse work from  
the keyboard.
I suppose that learning the shortcuts specific to each program is something  
I've overlooked as well.


Still can't figure out that alt thing though.
Any help appreciated.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 feedback (with hardware details)

2015-09-17 Thread strypey
Sure, but if old/ slow harware is a problem, surely that's what Trisquel Mini  
is for?


My laptop is a least 5 years old "netbook", and runs Compiz in Trisquel 6  
with no noticeable issues. I tried switching to Metacity. I didn't notice it  
make anything work faster, it just made it harder to use. For example in  
Compiz I can hold CTRL and ALT and tap the right arrow and the down arrow, to  
get directly from desktop 1 top desktop 4. To do the same in Metacity I have  
to tap the right arrow three times and wait for the window manager to draw  
and redraw the two desktops in between. First world problems I know :) But  
annoying all the same.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Freedom Phoenix : Radio Talk on the FCC lock down of Free Software (FSF's Josh Gay & Christopher Waid)

2015-09-17 Thread tomlukeywood

ok wow 48 hours!
try to rest Tomorrow!


Re: [Trisquel-users] UNetbootin won't install on Trisquel 7

2015-09-17 Thread legimet . calc

"dose [sic] anyone know how i could do this?"

https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/blob/belenos/CONTRIBUTING.md


Re: [Trisquel-users] Google Chrome For Trisquel

2015-09-17 Thread legimet . calc

Magic Banana was replying to bluezo, not you.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Help needed - Cannot log in trisquel after external harddisk not ejected properly

2015-09-17 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
You can also try renaming the file at "/home/[username]/.Xauthority", to
"/home/[username]/.Xauthority.1".

If you are logged in with such user in one of Ctrl + Alt + F1 through
Ctrl + Alt + F6 (these are the so called virtual terminals) you can also
do:

cd
mv ".Xauthority" ".Xauthority.1"

Sorry for not being able to elaborate on this answer any further. I'm
somewhat late right now.


Respectfully, Adonay.
Have a nice day.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Some text recognizing libre program?

2015-09-17 Thread legimet . calc

Some suggestions:
https://github.com/tesseract-ocr
https://www.gnu.org/software/ocrad/ocrad.html
http://jocr.sourceforge.net/

I believe Tesseract is the most accurate of all the three.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Freedom Phoenix : Radio Talk on the FCC lock down of Free Software (FSF's Josh Gay & Christopher Waid)

2015-09-17 Thread chris
I'm too worn out today to think period. I did two days straight from the time  
I woke to the time I went to sleep and not much sleep I had... today. No.  
Tomorrow. Maybe.


Re: [Trisquel-users] UNetbootin won't install on Trisquel 7

2015-09-17 Thread strypey

Tom:
>> the spinning wheel of death is most likely due to unetbootin is no longer  
in trisquels repo's > also if you feel confident to do so (and i could help)  
you can compile Freenetbootin from source: 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 feedback (with hardware details)

2015-09-17 Thread strypey
Fair enough, but Toutatis included both, with Compiz as default. Why not do  
the same in Belenos, but with Metacity as default? Does even having it on the  
system as an opt-in disrupt accessibility too? If so, again fair enough. If  
not, I'm putting in a +1 for bundling both in future Trisquel releases.


Speaking of accessibility, I understand and agree with the decision to have  
Orca turned on by default in the graphical installer. Would it be possible to  
have instructions for how to turn it off right at the start of the install? A  
button that toggles it off would be ideal, but a simple text instruction for  
the shortcut keys to turn it off would be enough. Again, first world  
problems, but...


Re: [Trisquel-users] UNetbootin won't install on Trisquel 7

2015-09-17 Thread strypey
Thanks for your suggestions. My laptop is a "netbook" (no optical drives),  
and the USB Creator on my Belenos instance couldn't create a GNewSense boot  
USB. I'll spare you the gory details (unless you're really interested) but I  
tried quite a few things, to no avail.


In the end I booted back into my Toutatis instance, and used Unetbootin  
(which I'd installed from the PPA some time ago), and the same USB stick,  
which worked fine. I suspect the built-in USB Creator only works for  
Ubuntu-based distros, which excludes most of the FSF-endorsed distros. This  
is why I'm definitely putting in a +1 for Tom's 'freenetbootin' fork to be  
added to the repos for both Toutatis and Belenos.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Recommend me software for screen recording

2015-09-17 Thread strypey
Greetings a_slacker_here, I have also struggled with Pitivi. I recently  
installed Belenos with a 4GB swap partition, and the performance improved  
considerably. Keep in mind that video-editing is one of the most resource  
intensive jobs a desktop PC is called on to do, and every little thing that  
improves the stability of your system, or frees up resources (esp. RAM) will  
likely help.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 feedback (with hardware details)

2015-09-17 Thread strypey
I do have some weird display issues from time to time, and I have wondered if  
there is a better libre driver for my screens (built-in screen on Acer Aspire  
One KAV60, and using the VGA port, an external Dell Flat Panel Monitor  
1707FPt). How do I remove a driver module from the blacklist? 


Re: [Trisquel-users] UNetbootin won't install on Trisquel 7

2015-09-17 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Well, if you're trying to create a live copy of an operating system:

If you want to put it into a CD or a DVD, use an disc image recorder
such as Brasero or K3B if you really want a graphical user interface.

Or if you want to put it into an USB drive, you can use USB Creator
(usb-creator-gtk in the default GNU+Linux-libre Trisquel installation).


Respectfully, Adonay.
Have a nice day.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7 feedback (with hardware details)

2015-09-17 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
You could try a newer kernel + x stack. Currently the newest I believe issudo  
apt-get install --install-recommends  
{linux-generic,xserver-xorg,libgl1-mesa-glx,libegl1-mesa-drivers}-lts-utopic


To blacklist a module, one puts a file to /etc/modprobe.d/ that contains  
"blacklist module". You might want toman modprobeman modprobe.conf


Re: [Trisquel-users] My new trisquel rig!

2015-09-17 Thread ethernet252

Australia


Re: [Trisquel-users] Google Chrome For Trisquel

2015-09-17 Thread ethernet252

Sorry about that! I thought magic banana was responding to me


Re: [Trisquel-users] My new trisquel rig!

2015-09-17 Thread ethernet252
I've tried Skyscraper Simulator and the frame rate was abysmal. When i played  
it with MS Windows, the frame rate was fine. However, Trisquel is giving me a  
hard time. My Computer has 4GB of ram with intergrated graphics card. How  
come skyscrapersim is giving me a hard time on GNU/Linux? 


Re: [Trisquel-users] My new trisquel rig!

2015-09-17 Thread ethernet252

Freeciv = clone of civilization (video game)
Supertuxkart = clone of MarioKart
xonotic = clone of quake 3?

Maybe you are right. They are not as good as the proprietary games. What  
about doom and Quake? they have freely available source code (but not game  
data)