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Clearly so.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:51:16 -0600Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz




myth (false prophetsspeak ofJC in the past tense formanipulative personal reasons or asdoes the author, below)

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:09:38 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.

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2005-06-04 Thread Lance Muir




Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a 
total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 
4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've 
all made jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods 
or some 'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' 
contest.

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  You dont make me 
  feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. Youre really out there my 
  friend. And your concerns about the Congowhat are you and Canada doing 
  about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United 
  Nations? (Its a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy
  
  
  
  
  
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
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  It's truly uncomfortable is it 
  not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be 
  faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in 
  the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the 
  lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, 
  Iz.
  
  
  
  You want serious? I'll give you 
  serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die 
  every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these 
  deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These 
  deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the 
  crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the 
  DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and 
  in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia 
  (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in 
  Sudan 
  (70,000)
  
  
  
  Despite this, the international 
  community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the 
  crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations 
  for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the 
  United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined 
  by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has 
  claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming 
  level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community 
  has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address 
  the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the 
  New York based International Rescue Committee 
  (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
  Institute.
  

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Oh, good 
grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true 
names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get 
a new, but more creative insult please. 
Izzy





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So then Kevin, in Senator 
McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that 
the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as 
much.

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2005-06-04 Thread David Miller

David Miller wrote:
 ... Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.

Gary wrote:
 myth (false prophets speak of JC in the past tense
 for manipulative personal reasons or as does the
 author, below)

If I had spoken in the present tense and told you what Jesus Christ said to 
me today, you would still have an ad hominem slap to send my way.  How about 
giving it a rest.  We are looking for posts with substance, not posts that 
malign and accuse other TruthTalk members of evil.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 


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2005-06-04 Thread David Miller

Lance wrote:
 I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from
 DM to DH, for global issues.

I agree, Lance, that my concern for global issues is not very high.  In 
fact, my concern for national issues isn't very high either.  I'm in one of 
those situations where things are so bad here at home that I try to take 
care of the problems here and do not have much of myself left to concern 
myself with issues across the other side of the globe.  I hope one day that 
I might be used that way, but right now, my plate is full and I don't know 
how to add global issues to it.  My hope lies in the pattern seen in Acts 1, 
where he says to be witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in 
Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.  Historically there was a 
progression in maturity from things local to things global.  I think perhaps 
that you are older than me.  Was there ever a time in your life when you 
were not concerned enough with things global?

Lance wrote:
 To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond
 my comprehension.

What is your perspective about the more than 46 million deaths through 
abortion?  Do you have a solution to this problem?  Are you concerned about 
it?  I haven't heard you address the problem of abortion.  Don't you think 
we should start with this more local problem of abortion rather than the 
problems in the Ivory Coast and related areas?

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 


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2005-06-04 Thread Lance Muir

Was there ever a time when...Yes, there was.

Abortion. Have you read 'Freakonomics'? Look at his 'take' on abortion. Yes
I do have a solution. Starting with yourself and, working outward, tell men
not to get women pregnant who will not carry the pregnancy to term. Is this
a joke? It is not!


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 Lance wrote:
  I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from
  DM to DH, for global issues.

 I agree, Lance, that my concern for global issues is not very high.  In
 fact, my concern for national issues isn't very high either.  I'm in one
of
 those situations where things are so bad here at home that I try to take
 care of the problems here and do not have much of myself left to concern
 myself with issues across the other side of the globe.  I hope one day
that
 I might be used that way, but right now, my plate is full and I don't know
 how to add global issues to it.  My hope lies in the pattern seen in Acts
1,
 where he says to be witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in
 Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.  Historically there was
a
 progression in maturity from things local to things global.  I think
perhaps
 that you are older than me.  Was there ever a time in your life when you
 were not concerned enough with things global?

 Lance wrote:
  To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond
  my comprehension.

 What is your perspective about the more than 46 million deaths through
 abortion?  Do you have a solution to this problem?  Are you concerned
about
 it?  I haven't heard you address the problem of abortion.  Don't you think
 we should start with this more local problem of abortion rather than the
 problems in the Ivory Coast and related areas?

 Peace be with you.
 David Miller.


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Whew !! Take a pill, there DM guy. You got people on the right running wild with ad hom and you go after Mr. G ?? Predictable. 

JD-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:32:36 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


David Miller wrote:
 ... Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.

Gary wrote:
 myth (false prophets speak of JC in the past tense
 for manipulative personal reasons or as does the
 author, below)

If I had spoken in the present tense and told you what Jesus Christ said to 
me today, you would still have an ad hominem slap to send my way.  How about 
giving it a rest.  We are looking for posts with substance, not posts that 
malign and accuse other TruthTalk members of evil.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 


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Poor JDno sympathy anywhere! (You
need a nice dog.) Let me know when the new me is going away so I
can hide. Izzy











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If I said these things, you would be all over me
-- boredom has its
fruit. Just remember you wrote this -- when I get off
my new me kick (hopefully that will never happen) I will get
even. Butfor the time being, I think you knew I would think
this funny, I have
act ually saved it
!! I showedone of my boys what I am up against on TT
--- laughter in the place of sympathy was all I
got. 











JD




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I guess I just
have no sensitivity at all, because I'm cracking up over the

whole
thing! It only strikes me as funny coming from Smithson. I can just

see him laughing
up his sleeve. Of course it's probably true, with him

being in the
construction business, but I just thought I'd pull his leg. (If

he has one!)
Sorry!!! No more sick (nurse) humor!!! (JD
I really don't care

what's missing!)Izzy



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Izzy,
first of all, it is none of your business if anyone on this group has 

a malady, or is
missing appendages. What do you mean, he is just now 

telling us?
What makes you think you even entitled to know this, or that he



is obligated to
tell you? Second, John gave us a valid reason for his typos,



so why do you
think he is being dishonest? Third, if you had any sensitivity



at all you would
drop your prideful attitude, quit
trying to cover up your 

comment with
cuteness, and admit it was tacky. Unless, of course, you have 

no sensitivity at
all.



Perry



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Why is that
Perry? When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's
typo's

suddenly he
tells us he has two missing fingers. Now how long have we 

known

JD
and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain

that he is
not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a

lobotomy back
in the 50's, or what??? Izzy



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Izzy,
I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not

as moderator.



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 Are
those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on

 us, JD?
(Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz





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Jesus will undoubtedly one day set the record straight for everyone on how
important He considers God's Word to be.  That will be a day of woe for
some. Izzy

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As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of both.
(Jesus  Scripture)

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 Lance wrote:
  I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe
  that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed
  to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)

 I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into
the
 mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.  Don't
you
 think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?

 Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the
 following passage:

 John 10:34-36
 (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are
 gods?
 (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the
 scripture cannot be broken;
 (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the
 world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

 Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates
 respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture.  And why not, he also
taught
 that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.

 Matthew 5:17-18
 (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am
not
 come to destroy, but to fulfil.
 (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
 tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey those
 expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.

 Matthew 23:2-3
 (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
 (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;
but
 do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

 So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ?  Is it those who
 greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who
 think it would be evil legalism to do so?

 Peace be with you.
 David Miller.

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Lance, get it off your chest and please EXPLAIN to us exactly what you want US to do
SPECIFICALLY about the CONGO!
Shall we follow your
example and just blame other entirely guiltless people for it so that we can feel how compassionate
we are? Izzy











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Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a total lack
of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 4M deaths
is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've all made
jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods or some
'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.







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You dont make me feel uncomfortable
except for you, Lance. Youre really out there my
friend. And your concerns about the Congowhat
are you and Canada
doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved
United Nations? (Its a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy











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It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you
sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own,
Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout
for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the
head in the sand thingy, Iz.











You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out
there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic
Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by
children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the
cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August,
1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any
other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds
other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda
(800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)











Despite this, the international community has failed to take
the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of
funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by
August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International
Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with
2003. No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and
mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these
unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the
necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis, according
to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New
 York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's
Burnet Institute.







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Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals
always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it
isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a
new, but more creative insult please. Izzy











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So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you
hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will
serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

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2005-06-04 Thread Lance Muir

Oh c'mon Izzie, name names. Can you recall just how well the religious
leaders quoted the scriptures? Do I believe that YOU esteem the Scriptures?
I do. Do I also think that you quote it 'religiously'? I do. You are flip,
smart-mouthed and, on occasion, rather unpleasant to read.
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 Jesus will undoubtedly one day set the record straight for everyone on how
 important He considers God's Word to be.  That will be a day of woe for
 some. Izzy

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 As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of
both.
 (Jesus  Scripture)

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  Lance wrote:
   I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe
   that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed
   to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)

  I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into
 the
  mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.  Don't
 you
  think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?

  Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the
  following passage:

  John 10:34-36
  (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are
  gods?
  (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the
  scripture cannot be broken;
  (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the
  world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

  Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates
  respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture.  And why not, he also
 taught
  that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.

  Matthew 5:17-18
  (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am
 not
  come to destroy, but to fulfil.
  (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one
  tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

  Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey
those
  expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.

  Matthew 23:2-3
  (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
  (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;
 but
  do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

  So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ?  Is it those
who
  greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who
  think it would be evil legalism to do so?

  Peace be with you.
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I agree totally, Lance. Let's just tell men not to impregnate women and
see if that flies.  I'm sure it will do a lot to change hearts and lives.
Meanwhile, for those who aren't listening, let's change laws to protect the
innocent unborn. Izzy

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Was there ever a time when...Yes, there was.

Abortion. Have you read 'Freakonomics'? Look at his 'take' on abortion. Yes
I do have a solution. Starting with yourself and, working outward, tell men
not to get women pregnant who will not carry the pregnancy to term. Is this
a joke? It is not!

- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 04, 2005 08:56
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 Lance wrote:
  I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from
  DM to DH, for global issues.

 I agree, Lance, that my concern for global issues is not very high.  In
 fact, my concern for national issues isn't very high either.  I'm in one
of
 those situations where things are so bad here at home that I try to take
 care of the problems here and do not have much of myself left to concern
 myself with issues across the other side of the globe.  I hope one day
that
 I might be used that way, but right now, my plate is full and I don't know
 how to add global issues to it.  My hope lies in the pattern seen in Acts
1,
 where he says to be witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in
 Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.  Historically there was
a
 progression in maturity from things local to things global.  I think
perhaps
 that you are older than me.  Was there ever a time in your life when you
 were not concerned enough with things global?

 Lance wrote:
  To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond
  my comprehension.

 What is your perspective about the more than 46 million deaths through
 abortion?  Do you have a solution to this problem?  Are you concerned
about
 it?  I haven't heard you address the problem of abortion.  Don't you think
 we should start with this more local problem of abortion rather than the
 problems in the Ivory Coast and related areas?

 Peace be with you.
 David Miller.

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And you are a breath of fresh air, Lance.  A joy and delight. Blessings. (PS
I wasn't being flip, but utterly sincere.)

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Oh c'mon Izzie, name names. Can you recall just how well the religious
leaders quoted the scriptures? Do I believe that YOU esteem the Scriptures?
I do. Do I also think that you quote it 'religiously'? I do. You are flip,
smart-mouthed and, on occasion, rather unpleasant to read.
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 Jesus will undoubtedly one day set the record straight for everyone on how
 important He considers God's Word to be.  That will be a day of woe for
 some. Izzy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:08 AM
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 As I said David, it is you. Your citations demonstrate a misreading of
both.
 (Jesus  Scripture)

 - Original Message - 
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: June 03, 2005 20:09
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  Lance wrote:
   I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe
   that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed
   to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)

  I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into
 the
  mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.  Don't
 you
  think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?

  Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the
  following passage:

  John 10:34-36
  (34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are
  gods?
  (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the
  scripture cannot be broken;
  (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the
  world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

  Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates
  respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture.  And why not, he also
 taught
  that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.

  Matthew 5:17-18
  (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am
 not
  come to destroy, but to fulfil.
  (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one
  tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

  Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey
those
  expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.

  Matthew 23:2-3
  (2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
  (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;
 but
  do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

  So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ?  Is it those
who
  greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who
  think it would be evil legalism to do so?

  Peace be with you.
  David Miller.

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does the "love of God" in your life say anything to this problem or is your thinking that the Government fulfills your responsiblity to those dying in the Congo? - or is that just more liberal nonsense? 

JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:54:13 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz






Lance, get it off your chest and please EXPLAIN to us exactly what you want US to do SPECIFICALLY about the CONGO! Shall we follow your example and just blame other entirely guiltless people for it so that we can feel how compassionate we are? Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:21 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've all made jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods or some 'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.


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From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 21:19

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


You don?t make me feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. You?re really ?out there? my friend. And your concerns about the Congo?what are you and Canada doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? (It?s a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.



You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)



Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.


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From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

2005-06-04 Thread Dave

DAVEH:   Hmm..So why did you not quote my posts about Izzy's 
beauty as an example???


David Miller wrote:

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2005-06-04 Thread ttxpress





prophetsare 
unambiguous; conjecture is not prophecy, conjecturists are not 
prophets

ftr, your original 
comment, below,promotes a false, ambiguousidea of JC which you can 
not defend truthfully by defending your self

On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:32:36 -0400 "David Miller" 
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writes:David Miller wrote: ... Jesus also respected 
Scripture the way that we do. Gary wrote: myth 
(false prophets speak of JC in the past tense||
 
[DavidM:] If I had spoken in the present tense 

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Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

You are so confused.

I can not decide whether you puroposefully misrepresent my beliefs or if you are just not able to comprehend them.



Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What I said concerning JM still stands. I'd not expect you to do the necessary legwork to establish this so, why not return to the issue that precipitated the comparison? Most of the Bibles on the globe are neither KJV nor are they KJV derivatives. You do know this do you not? I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)

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From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 16:36
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Senator McCarthy 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
Recently declassified Soviet-era documents have, in fact, confirmed that Soviet spies had infiltrated the U.S. State Department in the 1930s and 1940s

He was right all along!
So in the interest of Truth what accusations have I hurled without proof?
Answer here ___
Or is it you that is hurling?
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 13:41
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

WhenI find onewith error I throw it back on the Trash heap where it came from.
How much more REsearch do I need when I know about Judith?

Some translations will require more research, but since I talk no foriegn Languages, I do not need to concern myself with such, EH?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This then is your direct answer to my direct question?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Ask JudithLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understandyour question 

State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort

Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.

Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. 
I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 
Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

WWJD
What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!

The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!

Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

So in the interest of Truth what accusations have I hurled without proof?

Answer here 

SeeLance dance
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What I said concerning JM still stands. I'd not expect you to do the necessary legwork to establish this so, why not return to the issue that precipitated the comparison? Most of the Bibles on the globe are neither KJV nor are they KJV derivatives. You do know this do you not? I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)

- Original Message - 

From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 16:36
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Senator McCarthy 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
Recently declassified Soviet-era documents have, in fact, confirmed that Soviet spies had infiltrated the U.S. State Department in the 1930s and 1940s

He was right all along!
So in the interest of Truth what accusations have I hurled without proof?
Answer here ___
Or is it you that is hurling?
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 13:41
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

WhenI find onewith error I throw it back on the Trash heap where it came from.
How much more REsearch do I need when I know about Judith?

Some translations will require more research, but since I talk no foriegn Languages, I do not need to concern myself with such, EH?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This then is your direct answer to my direct question?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Ask JudithLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understandyour question 

State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort

Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.

Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. 
I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 
Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

WWJD
What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!

The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!

Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God

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One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo 


So What are you doing about it? Hypocrit!

MT 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


If this was a source of oil Kevin, your country WOULD BE THERE! Terry sees this.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 16:52
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:








It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.

You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)

Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.

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Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.


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I asked you before what you were DOING. You did not want to answer because it is not important. Right!

What gets it DONE JD?
Tell us how you do it.

Is this not a REAL ISSUE? Then don't avoid it. 
Just come out and admit it, you are DOING _[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hidding behind tough words don't get it done, Deegan. Just another way of avoiding the real and important issues. 

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.

You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)

Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.

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Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.


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MT 23 "for they say, and do not."
TALK is Cheap.
Tell us what you are DOING, not just what you are talking, JD  Lance.David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lance wrote: I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into the mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture. Don't you think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the following passage:John 10:34-36(34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?(35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;(36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?Besides Jesus demonstrating here
 that he is a legalist, he illustrates respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture. And why not, he also taught that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.Matthew 5:17-18(17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.(18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey those expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.Matthew 23:2-3(2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:(3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ? Is it those who greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or
 is it those who think it would be evil legalism to do so?Peace be with you.David Miller. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Neither Lance nor JD has been one bit helpful today in suggesting 
concrete ways in which we can cure the ills of the Congo. I am sorely 
disappointed. Izzy


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 
DeeganSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:28 PMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
Bible Quiz

I asked you before what you were DOING. You did not want to answer because 
it is not important. Right!

What gets it DONE JD?
Tell us how you do it.

Is this not a REAL ISSUE? Then don't avoid it. 
Just come out and admit it, you are DOING 
_[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  Hidding behind tough words don't get it done, Deegan. 
  Just another way of avoiding the real and important issues. 
  
  JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 
  Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  

  
  These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million 
  fatalities since the crisis began in August
  
  Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
  Talk is cheap!Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  






It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in 
print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to 
one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' 
He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout 
for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.

You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does 
anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in 
the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are 
accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add 
daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis 
began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC 
conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in 
terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 
250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan 
(70,000)

Despite this, the international community has 
failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 
2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities 
had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency 
for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% 
when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as 
many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. 
In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet 
mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the 
crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New 
York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
Institute.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
  Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  
  
  Oh, good 
  grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and 
  true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s 
  ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. 
  Izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  
  
  So then Kevin, in 
  Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in 
  the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have 
  though as 
  much.
  
  
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myth[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



myth (false prophetsspeak ofJC in the past tense formanipulative personal reasons or asdoes the author, below)

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:09:38 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.

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I've found a total lack of concern 

Here is your opportunity to FLAP your gums.

In what way have you demonstrated your Concern Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:








Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've all made jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods or some 'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.

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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 21:19
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


You dont make me feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. Youre really out there my friend. And your concerns about the Congowhat are you and Canada doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? (Its a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.



You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)



Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet
 Institute.


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From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Are you asking Lance ALSO?
He is a little backed up with questions he is avoiding.
Get in Line![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



does the "love of God" in your life say anything to this problem or is your thinking that the Government fulfills your responsiblity to those dying in the Congo? - or is that just more liberal nonsense? 

JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:54:13 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz






Lance, get it off your chest and please EXPLAIN to us exactly what you want US to do SPECIFICALLY about the CONGO! Shall we follow your example and just blame other entirely guiltless people for it so that we can feel how compassionate we are? Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:21 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've all made jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods or some 'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 21:19

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


You don?t make me feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. You?re really ?out there? my friend. And your concerns about the Congo?what are you and Canada doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? (It?s a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.



You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)



Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet
 Institute.


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From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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To my shame, I am much more inclined to go 2nd grade with you, Kevin. Lance and Gary simply do not spend much time returning insults -- and I am constantlyhaving to hold myself back. If you really were concerned for their answers, they would give answer. But when their words will be twisted and used against them NO MATTER WHAT IS SAID -- well what is the point. You are here on TT just for the fight and nothing else. Virtually all of your posts are about the fight -- complete with insults and the most uncaring presentation of anyone on this forum. 

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:32:05 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Are you asking Lance ALSO?
He is a little backed up with questions he is avoiding.
Get in Line![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



does the "love of God" in your life say anything to this problem or is your thinking that the Government fulfills your responsiblity to those dying in the Congo? - or is that just more liberal nonsense? 

JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:54:13 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz






Lance, get it off your chest and please EXPLAIN to us exactly what you want US to do SPECIFICALLY about the CONGO! Shall we follow your example and just blame other entirely guiltless people for it so that we can feel how compassionate we are? Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:21 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Myopia. Ask your husband about it. I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global issues. To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, actually it's not as you've all made jokes at any reference to events outside of either your neighborhoods or some 'sodomite' convention with an accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 21:19

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


You don?t make me feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. You?re really ?out there? my friend. And your concerns about the Congo?what are you and Canada doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? (It?s a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.



You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)



Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.


- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSu

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I guess I just have no sensitivity at all, because I'm cracking up over the
whole thing!  It only strikes me as funny coming from Smithson.  I can just
see him laughing up his sleeve.  Of course it's probably true, with him
being in the construction business, but I just thought I'd pull his leg. (If
he has one!) Sorry!!! No more sick (nurse) humor!!! (JD I really don't care
what's missing!)Izzy

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:16 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Izzy, first of all, it is none of your business if anyone on this group has 
a malady, or is missing appendages. What do you mean, he is just now 
telling us? What makes you think you even entitled to know this, or that he

is obligated to tell you? Second, John gave us a valid reason for his typos,

so why do you think he is being dishonest? Third, if you had any sensitivity

at all you would drop your prideful attitude, quit trying to cover up your 
comment with cuteness, and admit it was tacky. Unless, of course, you have 
no sensitivity at all.

Perry

From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500

Why is that Perry?  When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's
suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers.  Now how long have we 
known
JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain
that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a
lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM
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Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not
as moderator.

 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on
 us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz


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This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done 
the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the 
fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no 
real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun 
intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the 
counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who 
worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be 
God.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not 
  possibly be God's word.
  It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters 
  lies!
  
  The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is 
  required of us and that we might DO IT!
  
  Tell me what you make of that observation.
  Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is 
  based on the Recieved text.
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

It is wise for one to remember that the Word of 
God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do 
not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the 
Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just 
imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to 
see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up 
like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or 
portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are 
carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you 
make of that observation.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  
  the work of Catholic 
  scholars 
  
  It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.
  
  The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
  Jesuit 
  cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman 
  Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,has been one of 
  the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese 
  in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five 
  million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the 
  Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council 
  of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported 
  that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation 
  of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a 
  new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, 
  Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new 
  religion for thinking men that will 
  universalize that religion for the world and 
  lead us into a new age."
  Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 
  The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the 
  Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given 
  an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, 
  Massachusetts
  HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the 
  blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the 
  Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible 
  Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida 
  says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ... 
  Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is 
  essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in 
  words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... 
  The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. 
  ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and 
  Mission, p. 222-228).
  Kurt Aland "This idea of 
  verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and 
  inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant 
  traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus 
  with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously 
  secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem 
  of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7). 
  
  BEWARE of these new versions!
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees 
using the most recent

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understandyour question 

State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort

Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.

Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. 
I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 
Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

WWJD
What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!

The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!

Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

the work of Catholic scholars 

It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.

The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a
 new age."
Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ...

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

2005-06-03 Thread Christine Miller

 Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God
 uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when
 conveying His word?

Yes, I beleive God can use whatever He chooses,
including the Pagans and Heretics. God has used the UF
Pagans several times when I was preaching to draw
crowds and ask important questions. It is certainly a
Biblical princible that God can and does use evil for
His own purpose, Balaam's situation with the donkey
being a good example. Or when Joseph's brothers sold
him into slavery. That was pretty evil, and God used
it. 

I think I recall in Philippians 1, where Paul speaks
of some preaching Christ in envy and strife. Paul
just rejoices at this: What then? notwithstanding,
every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is
preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will
rejoice. And I think I feel the same way. I do not
like the NIV, I think it is a despicable translation,
and I let my Christian brothers and sisters know why I
prefer the KJV version. But the truth is, the NIV is a
bible, and the Holy Spirit can use it. I don't like
it, but Christ is still being preached through it and
therein do I rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.   

Blessings


--- Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 the Lord can and does use His word in all its
 translations
  
 Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God
 uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when
 conveying His word?
  
 God has used Donkeys, in the past.
 
 
 Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His
 word in all its translations, including the NIV with
 its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have
 found
 that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the
 NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many
 college students by my side use the translation.
 These
 friends of mine have led people to Christ with the
 NIV
 Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does
 use
 the errant translations.
 
 But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any
 translation does not mean that any and every
 translation retains merit. God can use evil for
 good,
 as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. 
 
 Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't
 clear
 up a translation's flaws.
 
 Blessings!
 
 (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and
 the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails
 up
 to your eye balls. :-) ) 
 
 --- Lance Muir wrote:
 
  It is wise for one to remember that the Word of
 God
  is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that
  His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,
  Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the
 Spirit
  of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH
  THE KJV! Just imagine!
  
  Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to
 see
  every believer at once on the entire globe.
 Imagine
  them to be lit up like a little light. Then,
 imagine
  yourself able to see the Bible (or portion
 thereof)
  they had with them. How many of them do you
 believe
  are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart
  remark, please. Tell me what you make of that
  observation.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  
  the work of Catholic scholars 
  
  It is amazing how some can stand the facts on
  their head.
  
  The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
  Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is
  the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since
 1967,
  has been one of the editors of the United Bible
  Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in
 Europe
  is the largest in the world, with two thousand
  priests and five million laity. He is Professor
 of
  New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical
  Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President
 of
  the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A
 Time
  magazine, article reported that Martini brought
  together a syncretistic convocation of over 100
  religious leaders from around the world to promote
 a
  new age, one-world religion. In addressing this
  meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, We need to
  synthesize a new religion for thinking men that
 will
  universalize that religion for the world and lead
 us
  into a new age.
  Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New
  Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition
  1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of
  the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It
  was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal
 Cushing,
  Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
  
  HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the
  blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible
  translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of
 the
  Translations Department of the United Bible
  Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of
  biblical inspiration, Nida says, ... God's
  revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical
  revelation is not absolute and all divine
 revelation

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz




Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which 
mss all foreign translation are based?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I 
  could since I really did not understandyour question 
  
  State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
  
  The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
  There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other 
  languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
  There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt 
  greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort
  
  Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
  Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
  Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
  Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
  I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
  Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.
  
  Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. 
  
  I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 
  Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, 
  because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, 
  to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and 
  to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
  
  WWJD
  What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've 
done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to 
the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself 
have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the 
majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is 
not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and 
David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, 
let God be God.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  
  The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not 
  possibly be God's word.
  It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS 
  utters lies!
  
  The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is 
  required of us and that we might DO IT!
  
  Tell me what you make of that 
  observation.
  Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible 
  that is based on the Recieved text.
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

It is wise for one to remember that the 
Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His 
(God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your 
role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN 
THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself 
able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to 
be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the 
Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you 
believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. 
Tell me what you make of that observation.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: 
  [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  the work of Catholic 
  scholars 
  
  It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.
  
  The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
  Jesuit 
  cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the 
  Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 
  1967,has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies 
  Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the 
  world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is 
  Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical 
  Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of 
  European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article 
  reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic 
  convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the 
  world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In 
  addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Ask JudithLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understandyour question 

State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort

Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.

Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. 
I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 
Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

WWJD
What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!

The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!

Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

the work of Catholic scholars 

It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.

The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a
 new age."
Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

I meant as custodians of His word.
I believe we agree on God's ability to use evil
"God can draw a Straight Line with a crooked stick"!
He has a wrench for Every nut!Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when conveying His word?Yes, I beleive God can use whatever He chooses,including the Pagans and Heretics. God has used the UFPagans several times when I was preaching to drawcrowds and ask important questions. It is certainly aBiblical princible that God can and does use evil forHis own purpose, Balaam's situation with the donkeybeing a good example. Or when Joseph's brothers soldhim into slavery. That was pretty evil, and God usedit. I think I recall in Philippians 1, where Paul speaksof some preaching Christ in "envy and strife." Pauljust rejoices at this: "What then? notwithstanding,every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ ispreached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and willrejoice." And I
think I feel the same way. I do notlike the NIV, I think it is a despicable translation,and I let my Christian brothers and sisters know why Iprefer the KJV version. But the truth is, the NIV is abible, and the Holy Spirit can use it. I don't likeit, but Christ is still being preached through it andtherein do I rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. Blessings--- Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: the Lord can and does use His word in all its translations Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when conveying His word? God has used Donkeys, in the past. Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His word in all its translations, including the NIV with its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have
found that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many college students by my side use the translation. These friends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIV Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does use the errant translations. But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any translation does not mean that any and every translation retains merit. God can use evil for good, as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clear up a translation's flaws. Blessings! (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails up to your eye balls. :-) ) --- Lance Muir wrote: It is wise
for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported
that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a new age." Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, MassachusettsHERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the
Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspi

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This then is your direct answer to my direct 
question?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  Ask JudithLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

Do you happen to know for a certainty upon 
which mss all foreign translation are based?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz
  
  You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as 
  best I could since I really did not understandyour question 
  
  State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
  
  The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
  There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in 
  other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that 
  language.
  There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt 
  greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort
  
  Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
  Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how 
absurd!
  Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
  Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able 
to.
  I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
  Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.
  
  Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me 
  strength. 
  I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 

  Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, 
  because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a 
  prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit 
  fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
  
  WWJD
  What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

This is both evasive and, a non-answer. 
I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold 
your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both 
Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which 
reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on 
the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May 
I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, 
covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be 
God.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: 
  [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can 
  not possibly be God's word.
  It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS 
  utters lies!
  
  The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is 
  required of us and that we might DO IT!
  
  Tell me what you make of that 
  observation.
  Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible 
  that is based on the Recieved text.
  Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

It is wise for one to remember that the 
Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His 
(God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your 
role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work 
EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself 
able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them 
to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see 
the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them 
do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, 
please. Tell me what you make of that observation.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 02, 2005 
  16:48
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: 
  [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  the work of Catholic 
  scholars 
  
  It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their 
  head.
  
  The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
  Jesuit 
  cardinal Carlo Maria Martini

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WhenI find onewith error I throw it back on the Trash heap where it came from.
How much more REsearch do I need when I know about Judith?

Some translations will require more research, but since I talk no foriegn Languages, I do not need to concern myself with such, EH?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This then is your direct answer to my direct question?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Ask JudithLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understandyour question 

State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort

Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.

Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. 
I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 
Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

WWJD
What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!

The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!

Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

the work of Catholic scholars 

It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.

The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a
 new age.

RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz









Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals
always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it
isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new,
but more creative insult please. Izzy











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re:
[TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz







So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you
hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will
serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

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It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) 
you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your 
own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the 
lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. 
It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.

You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does 
anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the 
Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted 
for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the 
cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 
1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any 
other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds 
other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda 
(800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)

Despite this, the international community has 
failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, 
only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been 
raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for 
International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when 
compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives 
and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of 
these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the 
necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the 
latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International 
Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
  Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  
  Oh, good grief---why 
  is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call 
  other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new, but more 
  creative insult please. Izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  
  So then Kevin, in Senator 
  McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the 
  accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as 
  much.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Accusations without proof?

Get real

NO need to try to figure out if there is a ONLY BEGGOTTEN Daughter!
Do you need further proof that that particular translation is Trash?
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 13:41
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

WhenI find onewith error I throw it back on the Trash heap where it came from.
How much more REsearch do I need when I know about Judith?

Some translations will require more research, but since I talk no foriegn Languages, I do not need to concern myself with such, EH?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This then is your direct answer to my direct question?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Ask JudithLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understandyour question 

State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort

Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.

Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. 
I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 
Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

WWJD
What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!

The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!

Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

the work of Catholic scholars 

It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.

The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Senator McCarthy 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
Recently declassified Soviet-era documents have, in fact, confirmed that Soviet spies had infiltrated the U.S. State Department in the 1930s and 1940s

He was right all along!
So in the interest of Truth what accusations have I hurled without proof?
Answer here ___
Or is it you that is hurling?
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 13:41
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

WhenI find onewith error I throw it back on the Trash heap where it came from.
How much more REsearch do I need when I know about Judith?

Some translations will require more research, but since I talk no foriegn Languages, I do not need to concern myself with such, EH?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This then is your direct answer to my direct question?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 12:45
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Ask JudithLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which mss all foreign translation are based?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I could since I really did not understandyour question 

State it more clearly  I will answer. I do not evade questions. 
The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt greek text of the Jesuits Westcott  Hort

Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.

Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength. 
I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers! 
Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

WWJD
What would JUDITH do?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and, let God be God.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!

The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!

Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

the work of Catholic scholars 

It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.

The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman

RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Why?
What else do they have, surely not facts.
Why we are not even let in on what the supposed baseless accusations consist of!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:








It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.

You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)

Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.
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Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz




To quote Izzie accurately: tried  TRUE. Read 
carefully as she is making the opposite point. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 03, 2005 16:40
  Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  Why?
  What else do they have, surely not facts.
  Why we are not even let in on what the supposed baseless accusations 
  consist of!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  








Oh, good 
grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true 
names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get 
a new, but more creative insult please. 
Izzy





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So then Kevin, in Senator 
McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that 
the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as 
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If this was a source of oil Kevin, your country 
WOULD BE THERE! Terry sees this.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 03, 2005 16:52
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  These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million 
  fatalities since the crisis began in August
  
  Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
  Talk is cheap!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  







It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in 
print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to 
one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' 
He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout 
for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.

You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does 
anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in 
the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are 
accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add 
daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis 
began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC 
conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in 
terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 
250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan 
(70,000)

Despite this, the international community has 
failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 
2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities 
had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency 
for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% 
when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as 
many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. 
In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet 
mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the 
crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New 
York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
Institute.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
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  Oh, good 
  grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and 
  true names to call other people? If it isnt Hitler its 
  McCarthy. Get a new, but more creative insult please. 
  Izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
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  So then Kevin, in 
  Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in 
  the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have 
  though as 
  much.
  
  
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2005-06-03 Thread knpraise


Hidding behind tough words don't get it done, Deegan. Just another way of avoiding the real and important issues. 

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.

You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)

Despite this, the international community has failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet Institute.

- Original Message - 
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
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Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s ?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. Izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.


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2005-06-03 Thread David Miller

Lance wrote:
 I was simply alluding to those on TT who believe
 that God 'incarnated' in book form as opposed
 to a human being. (You, David, Judy and Izzie)

I wouldn't use the word 'incarnated' but because you threw my name into the 
mix, I suppose you are addressing my great respect for Scripture.  Don't you 
think Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do?

Consider the straining at the letter of Scripture that Jesus does in the 
following passage:

John 10:34-36
(34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are 
gods?
(35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the 
scripture cannot be broken;
(36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the 
world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Besides Jesus demonstrating here that he is a legalist, he illustrates 
respect for every jot and tittle of Scripture.  And why not, he also taught 
that no jot or tittle would fail until heaven and earth pass away.

Matthew 5:17-18
(17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not 
come to destroy, but to fulfil.
(18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one 
tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Remember too that Jesus encouraged his disciples to listen and obey those 
expounders of Scripture whom many on TruthTalk would label as legalists.

Matthew 23:2-3
(2) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
(3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but 
do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

So who here is walking in the tradition of Jesus Christ?  Is it those who 
greatly respect the Scriptures and follow it closely, or is it those who 
think it would be evil legalism to do so?

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 


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You dont make me feel uncomfortable
except for you, Lance. Youre really out there my friend.
And your concerns about the Congowhat
are you and Canada
doing about it? Did you have a complaint with someone other than your beloved
United Nations? (Its a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy











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Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25
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It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in print) you
sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to one of your own,
Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout
for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the
head in the sand thingy, Iz.











You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does anyone out
there know the following: One thousand people die every day in the Democratic
Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are accounted for by
children under five years of age. These deaths add daily to the
cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis began in August,
1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC conflict worse than any
other conflict since the end of World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds
other recent crises, including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda
(800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan (70,000)











Despite this, the international community has failed to take
the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of
funding sought by the United Nations for its activities had been raised by
August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency for International
Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with
2003. No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and
mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. In spite of these
unambiguous facts, the international community has not yet mobilized the
necessary will or resources to effectively address the crisis, according
to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the New
 York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's
Burnet Institute.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: June 03, 2005
14:27





Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re:
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Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals
always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it
isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a
new, but more creative insult please. Izzy











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you
hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will
serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.

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Lets see Lance, I was in grade
school when all that was going on.  Arent you making yourself a cliché?
At least the Congo is current events (and very indicative of failed UN morality.)
Izzy











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To quote Izzie accurately: tried  TRUE. Read carefully
as she is making the opposite point. 







- Original Message - 





From: Kevin
Deegan 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: June 03, 2005
16:40





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Why?





What else do they have, surely not facts.





Why we are not even let in on what the supposed baseless accusations
consist of!

ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:





Oh, good grief---why is it that liberals
always fall back on those old tried and true names to call other people? If it
isnt Hitler its McCarthy. Get a
new, but more creative insult please. Izzy











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So then Kevin, in Senator McCarthy like fashion you
hurl out accusations sans proof in the hope that the accusation itself will
serve you well enough! I'd have though as much.





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2005-06-03 Thread knpraise


If I said these things, you would be all over me -- boredom has its fruit. Just remember you wrote this -- when I get off my "new me" kick (hopefully that will never happen) I will get even. Butfor the time being, I think you knew I would think this funny, I have act ually saved it !! I showedone of my boys what I am up against on TT --- laughter in the place of sympathy was all I got. 

JD-Original Message- From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 03:04:03 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


I guess I just have no sensitivity at all, because I'm cracking up over the
whole thing!  It only strikes me as funny coming from Smithson.  I can just
see him laughing up his sleeve.  Of course it's probably true, with him
being in the construction business, but I just thought I'd pull his leg. (If
he has one!) Sorry!!! No more sick (nurse) humor!!! (JD I really don't care
what's missing!)Izzy

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Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:16 PM
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Izzy, first of all, it is none of your business if anyone on this group has 
a malady, or is missing appendages. What do you mean, "he is just now 
telling us"? What makes you think you even entitled to know this, or that he

is obligated to tell you? Second, John gave us a valid reason for his typos,

so why do you think he is being dishonest? Third, if you had any sensitivity

at all you would drop your prideful attitude, quit trying to cover up your 
comment with cuteness, and admit it was tacky. Unless, of course, you have 
no sensitivity at all.

Perry

From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Why is that Perry?  When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's
suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers.  Now how long have we 
known
JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain
that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a
lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy

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Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not
as moderator.

 From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on
 us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz


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2005-06-03 Thread ttxpress





myth (false 
prophetsspeak ofJC in the past tense formanipulative personal 
reasons or asdoes the author, below)

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:09:38 -0400 "David Miller" 
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writes:..Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we 
do.

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Do you understand that I believe that "event sin" can be stop immediately but other types of sin cannot? There are addictions, character failures such as pride and selfishness thatare the foundationfor other sin AND are listed as sin (selfishness is a sin but it is not an event).There are sins of omission when we should be doing something and we choosenot to. Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in influence. Some may never be completely gone.It is my opinion that there is absolutely no alternative to this -- that those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I -and I believe I have a sound biblical argument for my point of view, not to mention the practical argument. Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures contains
encouragement to the saints regarding the continuing battle against sin - letters written to those who are in the family of God.

JD-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:36:33 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

The point that I was trying to get you to see for yourself is that though growth as a Christian is a continuous thing, sin stops when we die to self. My old self cursed and hated with the best of them. I drank from two to four six packs a day. I lusted in my heart. I dipped snuff and defiled my body. But when I died to self, that stuff went, and it did not go gradually. When Jesus says, "You are forgiven. Go and sin no more", only the most selfish persons could consider what Christ did for them and not respond in obedience. I know that. It is a fact. I have never been more certain of anything in my life.Terry[EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote:

Yes, Terry. And that is all that I am saying, here. sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really helpthe people we are called to help.We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation.

For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action. An operation is soon in the offing. But during this period, I have had to continue to work. About six hours or so is all I can stand. What has happened is this: the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on its own -- painful as that might be. ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin (and we all have them). Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern. No one is.I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license. But it really is not. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin.Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her
addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.
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Back to an issue of substance.

Law and faith

It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child. Guilt is guilt.

Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord.

JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong. Possibly continuous sin should be excused for any number of reasons. Only, of course, until Jesus gradually gives them the power to overcome.Terry

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jd saz
z

Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
You are so Biblical!
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JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 

Well, here is further evidence that you are aLIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.

JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)

JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?

JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "

JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics  HOMOS

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 

How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Facts are stubborn things!
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Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one loneEvangleical, KingJames), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about theKJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly..

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A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 

For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"


See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned  God does the work and we receive the blessings).. 

Whats the problem??

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I guess I could do the same with you all -- just not interested in the little things like should be. 

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Sometimes the typos are too good to ignore! "-) Iz

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Actually, I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I 
frequently transpose two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I 
guess. But, I do it a lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and 
Kevin pointed out are nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you 
can see past the typos and you know what he intended to type.

Peryr

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Freudian slip, JD?  Iz

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Not really.   My degree is from a Catholic school  -   lost of good
people there.



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this subject is truly a waste of time. I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in print today. 
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Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html

JD says NO Doctrine is altered
Let's see.

AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]"

WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..."
No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery!

Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT  NIV say DIVINE BEING

WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."

DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."

REMOVES ALPHA  OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches."


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2005-06-02 Thread Terry Clifton





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  Do you understand that I believe that "event sin" can be stop
immediately but other types of sin cannot? There are addictions,
character failures such as pride and selfishness thatare the
foundationfor other sin AND are listed as sin (selfishness is a sin but it is not an
event).There are sins of omission when we should be doing something
and we choosenot to. Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in
influence. Some may never be completely gone.It is my opinion that
there is absolutely no alternative to this -- that those who disagree
share a much narrower definition of sin than I -and I believe I have a sound biblical
argument for my point of view, not to mention the practical argument.
Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures
contains encouragement to the
saints regarding the continuing battle against sin - letters
written to those who are in the family of God. 
  
  
  JD
  
  

Possibly I should have pointed out that I believe that there is a vast
difference between an unintentional slip, as when you drop a brick on
your toe and hop around yelling, "oh excrement", and when you
deliberately do something you know is a sin and continue in that sin
anyway. The Lord , I am certain, sees it the same way, or that long
list of drunks and queers and gossips and others who love their sin
more than they love the Lord would not be in the Book. The difference
is a temporary reminder that we must keep our minds fixed on Him as
opposed to living in the flesh. The response to the first , for a
Christian, is immediate repentance, while the response of the second is
much like the story of the rich young ruler. He wanted Jesus on his
terms. So does everyone on that list. So do your addicts.

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2005-06-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke


John,

  I have to agree. I otherwise might not agree, but I met a man who came 
with his wfe to a Bible study I was in some years ago. He was raised in a 
home in which his mother and father were involved in drugs from before he 
was born. He would go with them to make buys, and witness them use the drugs 
for as long as he could rememeber. He was never taught that this was wrong. 
so he grew up pretty much seeing this as normal, and at a very early age 
beginning to do the same. He was in his early 30's when I met him, and had 
already spent considerable time in prison for various drug related offenses.


  From his testamony, and his apparent love for the Lord,, I believe that 
he was in the fold, but occasionally had times of relapse when he would get 
drawn back in to the drug culture. Last I heard he was doing hard time at 
Corcoran Pen. I have never stop believing that he was and still is saved 
continues in a state of salvation through God's grace, although he is unable 
to totally kick the habits he grew up with as being normal. Who knows, but 
what God may be using him in some way I do not understand, perhaps to reach 
men inside the prison walls that would not otherwise hear the gospel.


Perry


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Do you understand that I believe that event sin can be stop immediately 
but other types of sin cannot?   There are addictions, character failures 
such as pride and selfishness that are the foundation for other sin AND are 
listed as sin  (selfishness is a sin but it is not an event). There are 
sins of omission  when we should be doing something and we choose not to.   
Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in influence.   Some may never 
be completely gone. It is my opinion that there is absolutely no 
alternative to this  -- that those who disagree share a much narrower 
definition of sin than I   -   and I believe I have a sound biblical 
argument for my point of  view, not to mention the practical argument.  
Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures contains 
encouragement to the saints regarding the continuing  battle against sin  
-  letters written to those who are in the family of God.



JD

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The point that I was trying to get you to see for yourself is that though 
growth as a Christian is a continuous thing, sin stops when we die to self. 
 My old self cursed and hated with the best of them.  I drank from two to 
four six packs a day.  I lusted in my heart.  I dipped snuff and defiled my 
body.   But when I died to self, that stuff went, and it did not go 
gradually.  When Jesus says, You are forgiven.  Go and sin no more,  only 
the most selfish persons could consider what Christ did for them and not  
respond in obedience.
 I know that.  It is a fact.  I have never been more certain of anything 
in my life.


Terry



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Yes, Terry.   And that is all that I am saying, here.   sin is sin  --  but 
what IS sin?   As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the 
law,  we will never be able to really help the people we are called to 
help.  We HAVE been given the ministry of reconciliation.


For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action.   An operation 
is soon in the offing.   But during this period,  I have had to continue to 
work.   About six hours or so is all I can stand.   What has happened is 
this:   the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is 
becoming serviceable on  its own  --  painful as that might be.   ditto 
with those who are dealing with their besetting sin  (and we all have 
them).  Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern.   No one 
is.  I know management of sin might sound repulsive, a doctrine of 
license.But it really is not.   Management is a RECOVERY tool   --   
not a teaching that encourages sin.  Sin Management teaches the addict to 
postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time   --   and this time 
is increased.  Fat people   (and I suspect there are more fat people on 
this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction 
of gluttony.   Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive 
behavior (ala sin)  and encour
ages them to modify or postpone their eating .   Meanwhile, we emphasize 
the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.



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Back to an issue of substance.


Law and faith

It is amazing to me that those who are clearly

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those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I
Do you call "What is Sin?" a broad definition?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Do you understand that I believe that "event sin" can be stop immediately but other types of sin cannot? There are addictions, character failures such as pride and selfishness thatare the foundationfor other sin AND are listed as sin (selfishness is a sin but it is not an event).There are sins of omission when we should be doing something and we choosenot to. Some sins stop -- but others only decrease in influence. Some may never be completely gone.It is my opinion that there is absolutely no alternative to this -- that those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I -and I believe I have a sound biblical argument for my point of view, not to mention the practical argument. Much of nearly every letter saved for us in the NT scriptures contains encouragement to the saints regarding the continuing battle against sin - letters written to those who are in the family of God.

JD-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:36:33 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

For the past 4 weeks, my left knee has been out of action. An operation is soon in the offing. But during this period, I have had to continue to work. About six hours or so is all I can stand. What has happened is this: the surrounding muscle structure has increased and the knee is becoming serviceable on its own -- painful as that might be. ditto with those who are dealing with their besetting sin (and we all have them). Their lives are not defined by a single area of concern. No one is.I know "management of sin" might sound repulsive, a doctrine of license. But it really is not. Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages
sin.Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.
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Back to an issue of substance.

Law and faith

JDSeems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light with darkness?""course, I could be wrong. Possibly continuous sin should be excused for an

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When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
And cast him out of the city, and stoned him
Seems you have the same "religious" spirit.
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jd saz
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Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
You are so Biblical!
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JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 

Well, here is further evidence that you are aLIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.

JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)

JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?

JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "

JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics  HOMOS

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 

How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Facts are stubborn things!
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Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one loneEvangleical, KingJames), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about theKJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly..

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A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 

For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"


See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all thi

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My Bible of choice is the NASV and the transltors of that publication have the verse reading " Every one who practices sin also practices lawlessness and sin is lawlessness."

But more than this, I Jo 5:17 tells us that "all unrighteousness is sin."

I Jo 1:8 gives us the truth that "if we say that we have (that we are having) no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in su.. Here, sin is more than an event.

Several choices on the definition of sin within this book, alone !!

And what do I mean by saying what I said - that sin is not against the law?No !! But I am saying that if our concept of sin does not go beyond this definition, we really cannot help those who need help. What was sin in Abraham's day -- before the law? Before the existence of the Law? Well, it certainly was something against the will of the creator -- but there has to be an element of "sin" that is not law related (again) because there was a time when there is no law. I personally do not believe that John in his first letter is speaking of events at all -- I believe that he is speaking against the practice of sin, not event sin. That is why, when he does name the commands he has in mind, he speaks of some _expression_ of love (the love of God or the love of the brethren.) Love is a life style
sp; - it is something that you practice.

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sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really helpthe people we are called to help.

How do you do it? Once again, JD, you are in direct conflict with Gods Word:

1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Management is a RECOVERY tool -- not a teaching that encourages sin.Sin Management teaches the addict to postpone her addictive behavior for a specified time -- and this time is increased. Fat people (and I suspect there are more fat people on this forum than one would suppose) victimize themselves with the addiction of gluttony. Sin Management teaches them that this is destructive behavior (ala "sin") and encourages them to modify or postpone their eating . Meanwhile, we emphasize the good and healthy aspects of their lives with God.

Management of sin is still sin. Having longer and longer periods of time between incidents of heroine still leaves you an addict. Longer periods between incidents of adultery still leaves you with an adulterer. Gluttons are still gluttons between banana splits. Liars are still liars between lies. No one has healthy aspects of their lives with God, when they are managing sin. A heroine addict needs to be institutionalized until he is clean, and then he needs to be in constant follow up counseling until he can stay clean on his own for good. Only Christ can set us free from besetting sinsnot sin management. Your theology has no power to deliver from sin; only to manage it. Izzy<
/DIV>

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I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone
2 Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Lots of people teach lots of things![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



this subject is truly a waste of time. I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in print today. 
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Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html

JD says NO Doctrine is altered
Let's see.

AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]"

WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..."
No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery!

Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT  NIV say DIVINE BEING

WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."

DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."

REMOVES ALPHA  OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches."


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Call me crazy but I call it a QUESTION !

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those who disagree share a much narrower definition of sin than I
Do you call "What is Sin?" a broad definition?

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My Bible of choice is the NASV

Same bible as the NWT (JW bible)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My Bible of choice is the NASV and the transltors of that publication have the verse reading " Every one who practices sin also practices lawlessness and sin is lawlessness."

But more than this, I Jo 5:17 tells us that "all unrighteousness is sin."

I Jo 1:8 gives us the truth that "if we say that we have (that we are having) no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in su.. Here, sin is more than an event.

Several choices on the definition of sin within this book, alone !!

And what do I mean by saying what I said - that sin is not against the law?No !! But I am saying that if our concept of sin does not go beyond this definition, we really cannot help those who need help. What was sin in Abraham's day -- before the law? Before the existence of the Law? Well, it certainly was something against the will of the creator -- but there has to be an element of "sin" that is not law related (again) because there was a time when there is no law. I personally do not believe that John in his first letter is speaking of events at all -- I believe that he is speaking against the practice of sin, not event sin. That is why, when he does name the commands he has in mind, he speaks of some _expression_ of love (the love of God or the
love of the brethren.) Love is a life stylenb sp; - it is something that you practice.

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sin is sin -- but what IS sin? As long as we have this idea that it is a violation of the law, we will never be able to really helpthe people we are called to help.

How do you do it? Once again, JD, you are in direct conflict with God’s Word:

1 John 3:4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

“Management” of sin is still sin. Having longer and longer periods of time between incidents of heroine still leaves you an addict. Longer periods between incidents of adultery still leaves you with an adulterer. Gluttons are still gluttons between banana splits. Liars are still liars between lies. No one has “healthy aspects of their lives with God,” when they are “managing sin”. A heroine addict needs to be institutionalized until he is clean, and then he needs to be in constant follow up counseling until he can stay clean on his own for good. Only Christ can set us free from besetting sins—not sin management. Your theology has no power to deliver from sin; only to “manage” it. Izzy /DIV
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When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
And cast him out of the city, and stoned him
Seems you have the same "religious" spirit.
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jd saz
z

Zech 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
You are so Biblical!
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JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 

Well, here is further evidence that you are aLIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.

JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)

JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?

JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "

JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics  HOMOS

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 

How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Facts are stubborn things!
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Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one loneEvangleical, KingJames), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about theKJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly..

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 

For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"


See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "

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2005-06-02 Thread ShieldsFamily









Are those the only body parts you are
missing, or are you holding out on us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz


PS I find the typos to be very
entertaining!











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I am missing two fingers on my right hand.
When I get to typing -- stuff happens. 











But no, it is not a Freudian slip -- it was a typo.





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Actually,
I have a problem when I type similar to John's, in tht I frequently transpose
two letters. It is because I am not a touch-typist, I guess. But, I do it a
lot. I noticed that each of the typos that you and Kevin pointed out are
nothing more than letter transpositions. Surely you can see past the typos and
you know what he intended to type.

Peryr

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Freudian slip, JD? Iz

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Not really. My degree is from a Catholic school - lost of good
people there.



JD


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Well, you're living proof of that !!-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:35:02 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz




I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone
2 Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Lots of people teach lots of things![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



this subject is truly a waste of time. I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in print today. 
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:01:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html

JD says NO Doctrine is altered
Let's see.

AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]"

WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..."
No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery!

Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT  NIV say DIVINE BEING

WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."

DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."

REMOVES ALPHA  OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches."


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And since it is clearly stated, we can teach that there are TWO Gods from your NASV[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, you're living proof of that !!-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 06:35:02 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz




I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone
2 Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.Lots of people teach lots of things![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



this subject is truly a waste of time. I can, in fact, teach the full gospel of grace to anyone using any of the bibles in print today. 
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:01:00 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



Why do the new Bibles agree with the CULTIC JW NWT?http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html

JD says NO Doctrine is altered
Let's see.

AN ONLY BEGOTTEN god?NWT John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god which is in the bosom [position] with the father is the one that has explained him."NASB: "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained [Him.]"

WHO was manifest?1Timothy 3:16 NWT "Indeed the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great. HE was made manifest in the flesh..."NIV "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: HE appeared in a body..."
No mystery we all appear in a body. BUT God appearing in a body, that is a mystery!

Godhead REMOVED from new versions - NWT  NIV say DIVINE BEING

WHAT IS MISSING?NWT Eph 3:9 " And should make men see how the sacred secret is administered which has from the indefinite past been hidden in God who created all things."NIV Eph 3:9 "and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things."KJV Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, WHO CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST."

DID NOT CONSIDER BEING EQUAL WITH GOD?Phil 2:6 NWT "who, although he was existing in God's form, he gave no consideration with seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." NIV "Who being in very nature god, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."

REMOVES ALPHA  OMEGANWT Rev 1:11 "saying, What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations..."NIV "which said, "write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches."NASB "saying, Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches."


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the work of Catholic scholars 

It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.

The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a
 new age."
Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 222-228).
Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7). 

BEWARE of these new versions!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one loneEvangleical, KingJames), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about theKJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly..

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 

For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"


See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned  God does the work and we receive the blessings).. 

Whats the problem??

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

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Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
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Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB)1 Sam

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2005-06-02 Thread Lance Muir

It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God
is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not
return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of
God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just
imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see
every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a
little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof)
they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now,
don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that
observation.

- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV
Bible Quiz

the work of Catholic
scholars

It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.

The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit
cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman
Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,has been one of the
editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in
Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million
"laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical
Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European
Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini
brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100
religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age,
one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev
said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men
that will universalize that religion for the world and
lead us into a new age."
Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The
first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to
be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an
imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston,
Massachusetts
HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the
blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the
Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible
Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida
says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ...
Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is
essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in
words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ...
The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ...
the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and
Mission, p. 222-228).
Kurt Aland "This idea of
verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant
inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions
maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its
errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character
(as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament
Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7).

BEWARE of these new versions!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees using
the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that
is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one
loneEvangleical, KingJames), common wisdom would allow for the
"new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is
to pretend that there is something special about theKJV bordiering on
the inspired. Silly..

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin
Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re:
[TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM!

For those that have no
discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov.
30:5.
The PURE Word of God
(TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore."
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath."
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath."
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath."
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath."
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath."
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Go

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2005-06-02 Thread Christine Miller

I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His
word in all its translations, including the NIV with
its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have found
that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the
NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many
college students by my side use the translation. These
friends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIV
Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does use
the errant translations.

But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any
translation does not mean that any and every
translation retains merit. God can use evil for good,
as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. 

Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clear
up a translation's flaws.

Blessings!

(Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and
the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails up
to your eye balls. :-) ) 

--- Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God
 is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that
 His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,
 Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit
 of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH
 THE KJV! Just imagine!
 
 Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see
 every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine
 them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine
 yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof)
 they had with them. How many of them do you believe
 are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart
 remark, please. Tell me what you make of that
 observation.
   - Original Message - 
   From: Kevin Deegan 
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
   Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
   Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
 
 
   the work of Catholic scholars 
 
   It is amazing how some can stand the facts on
 their head.
 
   The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
   Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is
 the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,
 has been one of the editors of the United Bible
 Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe
 is the largest in the world, with two thousand
 priests and five million laity. He is Professor of
 New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical
 Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of
 the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time
 magazine, article reported that Martini brought
 together a syncretistic convocation of over 100
 religious leaders from around the world to promote a
 new age, one-world religion. In addressing this
 meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, We need to
 synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will
 universalize that religion for the world and lead us
 into a new age.
   Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New
 Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition
 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of
 the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It
 was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing,
 Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
 
   HERETICS  Eugene Nida is the father of the
 blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible
 translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the
 Translations Department of the United Bible
 Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of
 biblical inspiration, Nida says, ... God's
 revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical
 revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation
 is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is
 given only in words, it has no real validity until
 it has been translated into life. ... The words are
 in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the
 word is void unless related to experience (Nida,
 Message and Mission, p. 222-228).
 
   Kurt Aland This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e.,
 of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the
 text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant
 traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to
 the Textus Receptus with all of its errors,
 including textual modifications of an obviously
 secondary character (as we recognize them today)
 (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon,
 1962, pp. 6,7). 
 
 
   BEWARE of these new versions!
 
 
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Normally when a host of scholars and translation
 committees using the most recent manuscript
 discoveries all agree against a publication that is
 nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic
 scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King
 James), common wisdom would allow for the new
 translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the
 others is to pretend that there is something special
 about the KJV bordiering on the inspired.   Silly..
 
 JD  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible
 Quiz
 
 
 A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 
 
 For those that have no discernment - ENJOY

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2005-06-02 Thread Lance Muir

(Wo)man Oh (Wo)man (for the purpose of inclusivity) how I wish that this
were not chip/block thingy. Sophmoric logic becomes you, young lady.

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 02, 2005 18:35
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

 I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His
 word in all its translations, including the NIV with
 its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have found
 that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the
 NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many
 college students by my side use the translation. These
 friends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIV
 Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does use
 the errant translations.

 But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any
 translation does not mean that any and every
 translation retains merit. God can use evil for good,
 as Joseph points out in Genesis 50.

 Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clear
 up a translation's flaws.

 Blessings!

 (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and
 the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails up
 to your eye balls. :-) )

 --- Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God
  is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that
  His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,
  Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit
  of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH
  THE KJV! Just imagine!

  Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see
  every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine
  them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine
  yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof)
  they had with them. How many of them do you believe
  are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart
  remark, please. Tell me what you make of that
  observation.
- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

the work of Catholic scholars

It is amazing how some can stand the facts on
  their head.

The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is
  the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,
  has been one of the editors of the United Bible
  Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe
  is the largest in the world, with two thousand
  priests and five million laity. He is Professor of
  New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical
  Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of
  the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time
  magazine, article reported that Martini brought
  together a syncretistic convocation of over 100
  religious leaders from around the world to promote a
  new age, one-world religion. In addressing this
  meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, We need to
  synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will
  universalize that religion for the world and lead us
  into a new age.
Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New
  Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition
  1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of
  the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It
  was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing,
  Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts

HERETICS  Eugene Nida is the father of the
  blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible
  translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the
  Translations Department of the United Bible
  Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of
  biblical inspiration, Nida says, ... God's
  revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical
  revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation
  is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is
  given only in words, it has no real validity until
  it has been translated into life. ... The words are
  in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the
  word is void unless related to experience (Nida,
  Message and Mission, p. 222-228).

Kurt Aland This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e.,
  of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the
  text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant
  traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to
  the Textus Receptus with all of its errors,
  including textual modifications of an obviously
  secondary character (as we recognize them today)
  (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon,
  1962, pp. 6,7).

BEWARE of these new versions!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Normally when a host of scholars and translation
  committees using the most recent manuscript
  discoveries all agree against a publication that is
  nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic
  scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King
  James), common wisdom would allow for the new
  translation.   To use the KJV to condemn all the
  others is to pretend

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The Bibles that have out  out lies and ERRORS in them can not possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS utters lies!

The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is required of us and that we might DO IT!

Tell me what you make of that observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!

Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

the work of Catholic scholars 

It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.

The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967,has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a
 new age."
Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... Gods revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 222-228).
Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7). 

BEWARE of these new versions!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one loneEvangleical, KingJames), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about theKJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly..

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 

For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"


See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...

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Who (other than JD) would trust his life and the life of his wife and children, to a very old car that had 15,000 repair jobs done on it; and that by persons who knew little or nothing of what they were doing; whose work was slovenly and betrayed complete incompetence to do the repairs? Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His word in all its translations, including the NIV with its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have foundthat the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many college students by my side use the translation. Thesefriends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIV Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does use the errant translations.But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any translation does not mean that any and every translation retains merit. God can use evil for good, as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clear up a translation's flaws.Blessings!(Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails up to your eye balls. :-)
) --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGHTHE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible
Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev
said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a new age." Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ...
Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 222-228). Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7).BEWARE of these new versions![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent
manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Have you ever seen the 2 "oldest and Most reliable manuscripts", Christine?

VATICANus and SainaiticusIf you would like to inspect them maybe you can get a pass from the pope for the vatican library.Just a few changes here and there - oh well rev A or rev B whats your preference?If you have eyes to see for yourself:http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/general.htmlCorrectors:There are at least two different correctors from the uncial period. Some corrections are not enhanced by the reinforcer and are therefore very early. It seems reasonable to assign these to either the original scribe or a contemporary, who went through the whole codex and corrected several errors.The second corrector is later and eventually identical with the reinforcer (9th or 10th CE). There are several corrections which leave some text unenhanced and substitute a word or letters.Tischendorf and the ECM date one corrector to the
6th/7th CE.There are also a few corrections from the minuscule era.The text is very ordered except for those occasional troubling "Blank spots" I wonder what was in there in rev c or d?The blank space in mark 16 just happens to be the right size to contain the traditional ending. The original text division is a rather archaic one: For a new section the text is beginning afresh on a new line slightly in the left margin (one letter out), and the rest of the last line is left blank.
Oh yeah there are also "other problems"http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/corrections.htmlThis is NOT a complete list. Only some examples are given:1257 A Strange late correction; Mt 16:20, new: DIESTEILATO, old: EPETIMHSENand look their eraser made a mess1325 B 7 R Lk 10:39, late correction (illegible), seems wiped out, probably EIS TON OIKON AUTHS.
SUBSTITUTION OF WORDSMULTIPLE CORRECTORS HANDWRITINGShttp://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/general.html#cor
Would your Bank accept checks with 10 different handwritings and crossed out words etc?
The SQUEEZED Letterhttp://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/squeezed.htmlYou would not mind if I add a few zeros to that contract do you?It is only a Zero...

COMPLAINTS addedhttp://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Vaticanus/note1512.htmlWho wrote "Fool and knave, can't you leave the old reading alone and not alter it!"

Who would trust his life and the life of his wife and children, to a very old car that had 15,000 repair jobs done on it; and that by persons who knew little or nothing of what they were doing; whose work was slovenly and betrayed complete incompetence to do the repairs?

"Oldest Best" ROTFL!Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use Hisword in all its translations, including the NIV withits errors and sodomite commitee members. I have foundthat the newest generation overwhelmingly favors theNIV translation, and when we are out preaching, manycollege students by my side use the translation. Thesefriends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIVBible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does usethe errant translations.But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use anytranslation does not mean that any and everytranslation retains merit. God can use evil for good,as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clearup a translation's flaws.Blessings!(Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend andthe next thing you know, you've got unread
e-mails upto your eye balls. :-) ) --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005
16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magaz

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the Lord can and does use His word in all its translations

Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when conveying His word?

God has used Donkeys, in the past.
Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use Hisword in all its translations, including the NIV withits errors and sodomite commitee members. I have foundthat the newest generation overwhelmingly favors theNIV translation, and when we are out preaching, manycollege students by my side use the translation. Thesefriends of mine have led people to Christ with the NIVBible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does usethe errant translations.But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use anytranslation does not mean that any and everytranslation retains merit. God can use evil for good,as Joseph points out in Genesis 50. Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't clearup a translation's flaws.Blessings!(Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend andthe next thing you know, you've got unread
e-mails upto your eye balls. :-) ) --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: It is wise for one to remember that the Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine! Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please. Tell me what you make of that observation. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 02, 2005
16:48 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz the work of Catholic scholars It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head. The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles: Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since 1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the world to promote a new age, one-world
religion. In addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will universalize that religion for the world and lead us into a new age." Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute and
all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p. 222-228). Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the Textus Receptus with all of its errors, including textual modifications of an obviously secondary character (as we recognize them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon, 1962, pp. 6,7).BEWARE of these new versions![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally when a host of
scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly.. JD -Original Message- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re:

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2005-06-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke

Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not 
as moderator.



From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on 
us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz



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2005-06-02 Thread ShieldsFamily

Why is that Perry?  When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's
suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers.  Now how long have we known
JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain
that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a
lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy

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Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not 
as moderator.

From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on 
us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz


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2005-06-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke

Izzy, first of all, it is none of your business if anyone on this group has 
a malady, or is missing appendages. What do you mean, he is just now 
telling us? What makes you think you even entitled to know this, or that he 
is obligated to tell you? Second, John gave us a valid reason for his typos, 
so why do you think he is being dishonest? Third, if you had any sensitivity 
at all you would drop your prideful attitude, quit trying to cover up your 
comment with cuteness, and admit it was tacky. Unless, of course, you have 
no sensitivity at all.


Perry


From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500

Why is that Perry?  When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's
suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers.  Now how long have we 
known

JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain
that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a
lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not
as moderator.

From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on
us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz


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know

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I love sinless people. 

JD-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Why is that Perry?  When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's
suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers.  Now how long have we known
JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain
that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a
lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:37 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not 
as moderator.

From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on 
us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz


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Perhaps her problem is compounded by Deegan's continual theme that I am a liar?-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:51:47 -0500Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz


Why is that Perry?  When folks start make good-natured fun of JD's typo's
suddenly he tells us he has two missing fingers.  Now how long have we known
JD and he is just now telling us that? Do you believe it? If we complain
that he is not making sense is he going to suddenly confess that he had a
lobotomy back in the 50's, or what??? Izzy

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Izzy, I felt your post below was a bit tacky. I speak as your brother, not 
as moderator.

From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are those the only body parts you are missing, or are you holding out on 
us, JD? (Sounds like a likely story to me!) Iz


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JD says Whats the problem??

Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned  God does the work and we receive the blessings).. 

Whats the problem??

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"

Another beauty:
TLB1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."

Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test. I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk. David Miller. --- NIV BIBLE QUIZ INSTRUCTIONS: Using the New
 International Versionª Bible (NIV), answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.). 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,  them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem that __ and persecute you." 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis type of devil? 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth? 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name? 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles
 power to cast out devils and to: 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear? 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name? 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know? 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis verse, what did He come to do? 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus? 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription written? 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish? 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man? 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4? 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus? 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one
 requirement for baptism? 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6? 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34. 20. Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command? 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV. 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh? 23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do? 24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7? 25. Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deityof Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A__ and O___ , the _ and the ___:" Conclusion: Little space is
 provided for your answers, but it's much mo

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A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 

For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"


See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned  God does the work and we receive the blessings).. 

Whats the problem??

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"

Another beauty:
TLB1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."

Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test. I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk. David Miller. --- NIV BIBLE QUIZ INSTRUCTIONS: Using the New
 International Versionª Bible (NIV), answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.). 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,  them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem that __ and persecute you." 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis type of devil? 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth? 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name? 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles
 power to cast out devils and to: 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear? 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name? 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know? 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis verse, what did He come to do? 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus? 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription written? 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish? 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man? 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4? 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus? 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one
 requirement for baptism? 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6? 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34. 20. Study Acts 24:6-8. W

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Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one loneEvangleical, KingJames), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about theKJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly..

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 

For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"


See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned  God does the work and we receive the blessings).. 

Whats the problem??

JD-Original Message-----From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"

Another beauty:
TLB1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."

Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test. I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk. David Miller. --- NIV BIBLE QUIZ INSTRUCTIONS: Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV), answer the foll
 owing questions. Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.). 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,  them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem that __ and persecute you." 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis type of devil? 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth? 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name? 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out devils and to: 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to 
h ear? 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name? 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know? 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis verse, what did He come to

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If the tables were turned, right now you would be posting that I AM A LIAR. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD says Whats the problem??

Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned  God does the work and we receive the blessings).. 

Whats the problem??

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"

Another beauty:
TLB1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."

Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test. I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk. David Miller. --- NIV BIBLE QUIZ INSTRUCTIONS: Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV), answer the foll
 owing questions. Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.). 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,  them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem that __ and persecute you." 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis type of devil? 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth? 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name? 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out devils and to: 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to 
h ear? 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name? 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know? 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis verse, what did He come to do? 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus? 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription written? 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish? 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man? 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4? 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus? 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism? 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6? 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34. 20. Study Acts 24:6-
8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command? 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV. 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh? 23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do? 24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7? 25. Revel

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JD says a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old

2005
-1611

394 is not nearly 300!

JD had a MATH'0'glycemic attack again![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one loneEvangleical, KingJames), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about theKJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly..

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 

For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"


See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned  God does the work and we receive the blessings).. 

Whats the problem??

JD-Original Message-----From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"

Another beauty:
TLB1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."

Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test. I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk. David Miller. --- NIV BIBLE QUIZ INSTRUCTIONS: Using the New
 International Versionª Bible (NIV), answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.). 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,  them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem that __ and persecute you." 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis type of devil? 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth? 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name? 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles
 power to cast out devils and to: 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear? 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his

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What does your question have to do with the fact that you use the same BIBLE as the cult the Jehovahs Witnesses?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



If the tables were turned, right now you would be posting that I AM A LIAR. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD says Whats the problem??

Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned  God does the work and we receive the blessings).. 

Whats the problem??

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

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Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"

Another beauty:
TLB1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."

Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test. I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk. David Miller. --- NIV BIBLE QUIZ INSTRUCTIONS: Using the New
 International Versionª Bible (NIV), answer the foll owing questions. Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.). 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,  them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem that __ and persecute you." 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis type of devil? 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth? 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name? 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles
 power to cast out devils and to: 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear? 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name? 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know? 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis verse, what did He come to do? 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus? 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription written? 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish? 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man? 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4? 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus? 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one
 requirement for baptism? 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6? 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34. 20. Study Acts 24:6- 8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What wasthe chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command? 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV. 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh? 23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14,

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JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 

Well, here is further evidence that you are aLIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.

JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)

JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?

JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "

JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics  HOMOS

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 

How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Facts are stubborn things!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one loneEvangleical, KingJames), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about theKJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly..

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 

For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"


See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned  God does the work and we receive the blessings).. 

Whats the problem??

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
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Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"

Another beauty:
TLB1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or els

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As I have said before -- right about now, if the tables were reversed, you would be calling me a liar. And, once again, a post with aboslutely no redeeming value.

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:18:53 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



What does your question have to do with the fact that you use the same BIBLE as the cult the Jehovahs Witnesses?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



If the tables were turned, right now you would be posting that I AM A LIAR. -Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:55:31 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD says Whats the problem??

Oh that is right, I forgot you already use the same "bible" as the Jehovah's Witnesses[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned  God does the work and we receive the blessings).. 

Whats the problem??

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: May 31, 2005 10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"

Another beauty:
TLB1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone or else is out sitting on the toilet."

Then of course their is the New World translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of God, right Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IFF God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He Does), thenHe most assuredly 'works through' every translation of His Bible (I truly domean every translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need bepresent enabling one to be superior to another.Do you, David, see this as analogous to God 'working through' your preachingand the bishop's?- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "TruthTalk" <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: May 30, 2005 15:32Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz I received this in my inbox and thought some might like to take this test. I think we may have posted this some years back on TruthTalk. David Miller. --- NIV BIBLE QUIZ INSTRUCTIONS: Using the New International Versionª Bible (NIV), answer the foll
 owing questions. Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from footnotes but from the text. Footnotes are not the Bible.). 1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,  them that curse you, _ to them that hate you, and pray forthem that __ and persecute you." 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast outthis type of devil? 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth? 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name? 5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, theywere fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out devils and to: 7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to 
h ear? 8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name? 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know? 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According tothis verse, what did He come to do? 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus? 12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was thesuperscription written? 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish? 14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man? 15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4? 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus? 17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism? 18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6? 19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34. 20. Study Acts 24:6-
 8.

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z-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 

Well, here is further evidence that you are aLIAR (incident #1)
Please name ONE Catholic on the KJV translation committee.

JD says KJV bordiering on the inspired.
You persist in lying about an INSPIRED KJV, of which I have told you before so say I again I never said any such thing. You are a LIAR (incident #2)

JD says Silly..
The only thing silly around here is your spelling!
By the way, King James was an EVANGELICAL not a "Evangleical"
What? "bordiering" ?

JD says "the work of Catholic scholars" 
WHY would they slam RCC if they were Catholic?
TRANSLATORS EXPOSED THE POPISH PERSONS
A dedicatory epistle to King James, which also enhanced the completed work, recalled the King's desire that "there should be one more exact Translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English tongue." The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness." 
http://www.pilgrimworks.com/kjvpref.html
"Yea, why did the Catholicks (meaning Popish Romanists) "

JD says "host of scholars and translation committees" Must be right everyone says so? FALLACY!
Look at the makeup of some of these committees Heretics  HOMOS

See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." 

How do I know which Bible is TRUE?
It is easy, just check the facts on the face of it.
ALL THE OTHER VERSIONS LIE!
Prov 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Facts are stubborn things!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Normallywhen a host of scholars and translation committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic scholars (save the one loneEvangleical, KingJames), common wisdom would allow for the "new" translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is to pretend that there is something special about theKJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly..

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM! 

For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5. 
The PURE Word of God
(TLB)1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
NLT"stupid son of a whore." 
NJB and MSG"son of a rebellious slut"


See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite." 
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath." 
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath." 
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath." 
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath." 
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite." 
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace isstill there (that is where God does the work and you receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all things is still there (that's where God does all the work and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is decleared and not earned  God does the work and we receive the blessings).. 

Whats the problem??

JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz



How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness NWT?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee doo

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From: Kevin Deegan 
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Back to an issue of substance.


Law and faith

It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,' he is withdrawn from despite the possibility other areas of his life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who murders a child.  Guilt is guilt. 

Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and communion, he can be saved from the ravages of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the final consequence. Praise the Lord.

JD

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2005-06-01 Thread Terry Clifton

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Back to an issue of substance.

Law and faith

It is amazing to me that those who are clearly legalists in the crowd argue for the banishment of an individual based
upon only one consideration of sin. What I mean is this -- if you
have one who is addicted to heroin and (of course) continues to "use,'
he is withdrawn from despite the
possibility other areas of his
life, spiritually, are improving. Part of the curse of the law is
that one who violates a speeding law is just as guilty as one who
murders a child. Guilt is
guilt.

Under grace through faith, a heroin addict can be given hope
because his life is not judged by that single issue. And I am talking
about a "judgment" that is , in reality, the reasonable conclusion of his conduct. If he manages his
addiction (and in the beginning of a recovery process, this may be all
that he can do with addiction) and gives equal attention to filling
himself up with God in the Word, with the Relationship, in continued
fellowship (someone has to stop telling to leave) prayer and
communion, he can be saved from the ravages
of his continuing sin. Personal destruction does not need to be the
final consequence. Praise the Lord.

Seems that I remember someone once asking, "What fellowship has light
with darkness?"
"course, I could be wrong. Possibly continuous sin should be excused
for any number of reasons. Only, of course, until Jesus gradually
gives them the power to overcome.
Terry

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