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I'm just saying that he meant "fine clothes" as opposed to our understanding of apparel (which is clothing in general) or dresses (which is what women wear). In biblical translation, the translator tries to pick the best word in the receptor language to convey the meaning of the writer. When we talk about the deeper level of what Peter is trying to get across - i.e. is it outer looks that mattered to him or inner beauty etc., we're going into interpretation. The translator affects interpretation with his word choice but ultimately it's us, in discussion with one another, who decides what the verse means, how it fits in with rest of biblical teaching and how it applies to us. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Caroline, do you really think he is saying we shouldnt wear fine clothing, or is Peter saying we shouldnt depend upon finery for our beauty? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline WongSent: Friday, April 29, 2005 10:02 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses 1 Peter 3:3 KJV: Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; NASB: Your adornment must not be merely external--braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; NIV: Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. It seems to me that in this verse, the NIV translators have the best English rendition of what Peter meant. Love Caroline
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what don't you spin and sew your own clothes? shocking I say! simply shocking :-) :) Love Caroline --- who was just thinking she needs to declutter and downsize and is appalled at how much she's spent on stuff she never uses - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses ShieldsFamily wrote: Caroline, do you really think he is saying we shouldnt wear fine clothing, or is Peter saying we shouldnt depend upon finery for our beauty? Izzy All your cothing should come from Goodwill. Anything over two dollars ispushing the limit.Terry :)
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I went to a quilt exhibit in St. Jacobs which is the heart of Mennonite country in our region. They were incredibly beautiful and creative. The theme was quilts made from feedsacks. They were all museum quality and we had to wear white gloves if we wanted to touch them. We didn't ask how much they were. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Only on my quilt fabric stash. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:20 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Terry is correctamundo on this. Do you stand condemned Linda, for the sin of textilian gluttony? - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 30, 2005 14:11 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses ShieldsFamily wrote: Caroline, do you really think he is saying we shouldnt wear fine clothing, or is Peter saying we shouldnt depend upon finery for our beauty? Izzy All your cothing should come from Goodwill. Anything over two dollars ispushing the limit.Terry :)
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Those are my people, eh. Jonathan B. Martin, whose
blacksmith shop used to be on the main drag there (until he died and it was
taken over by some young upstarts), was my mother's uncle. The third house on
the left, when you are coming into the village from the south, was my mom's
childhood (well, late adolescent) home; it was moved from the "Schwemmly"
(little swampy wooded lot out in the country) by a bunch of men rolling it on
logs. The menwould take the logsfrom the back andrun with them
to the front.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
Caroline
Wong
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE:
[TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses
I went to a quilt exhibit in St. Jacobs which is
the heart of Mennonite country in our region. They were incredibly beautiful
and creative. The theme was quilts made from feedsacks. They were all museum
quality and we had to wear white gloves if we wanted to touch them. We didn't
ask how much they were.
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 3:24
PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE:
[TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses
Only on my quilt
fabric stash. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:20
PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE:
[TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses
Terry is correctamundo on this.
Do you stand condemned Linda, for the sin of textilian
gluttony?
- Original Message -
From: Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: April
30, 2005 14:11
Subject:
[Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename:
Dresses
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Caroline, do you really think he is
saying we shouldnt wear fine clothing, or is Peter saying we shouldnt
depend upon finery for our beauty?
Izzy
All your
cothing should come from Goodwill. Anything over two dollars
ispushing the limit.Terry :)
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It doesnt seem all that complicated, really. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 2:26 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses I'm just saying that he meant fine clothes as opposed to our understanding of apparel (which is clothing in general) or dresses (which is what women wear). In biblical translation, the translator tries to pick the best word in the receptor language to convey the meaning of the writer. When we talk about the deeper level of what Peter is trying to get across - i.e. is it outer looks that mattered to him or inner beauty etc., we're going into interpretation. The translator affects interpretation with his word choice but ultimately it's us, in discussion with one another, who decides what the verse means, how it fits in with rest of biblical teaching and how it applies to us. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Caroline, do you really think he is saying we shouldnt wear fine clothing, or is Peter saying we shouldnt depend upon finery for our beauty? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 10:02 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses 1 Peter 3:3 KJV: Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; NASB: Your adornment must not be merely external--braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; NIV: Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. It seems to me that in this verse, the NIV translators have the best English rendition of what Peter meant. Love Caroline
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Caroline, do you really think he is saying we shouldnt wear fine clothing, or is Peter saying we shouldnt depend upon finery for our beauty? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 10:02 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses 1 Peter 3:3 KJV: Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; NASB: Your adornment must not be merely external--braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; NIV: Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. It seems to me that in this verse, the NIV translators have the best English rendition of what Peter meant. Love Caroline
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ShieldsFamily wrote: Caroline, do you really think he is saying we shouldnt wear fine clothing, or is Peter saying we shouldnt depend upon finery for our beauty? Izzy All your cothing should come from Goodwill. Anything over two dollars ispushing the limit. Terry :)
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Terry is correctamundo on this. Do you stand condemned Linda, for the sin of textilian gluttony? - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 30, 2005 14:11 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses ShieldsFamily wrote: Caroline, do you really think he is saying we shouldnt wear fine clothing, or is Peter saying we shouldnt depend upon finery for our beauty? Izzy All your cothing should come from Goodwill. Anything over two dollars ispushing the limit.Terry :)
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Only on my quilt fabric stash. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 12:20 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Terry is correctamundo on this. Do you stand condemned Linda, for the sin of textilian gluttony? - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 30, 2005 14:11 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses ShieldsFamily wrote: Caroline, do you really think he is saying we shouldnt wear fine clothing, or is Peter saying we shouldnt depend upon finery for our beauty? Izzy All your cothing should come from Goodwill. Anything over two dollars ispushing the limit. Terry :)
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'We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God.' The dichotomization issue is central. Thanks for raising it! Please do not forward this message to Tim Horton's. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 28, 2005 21:38 Subject: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Interesting too that the KJV on biblegateway.com has: 1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; Does yours really say dresses? What year was it printed? And who was the publisher? And if biblegateway is correct is Peter advocating nudist colonies? :-) Now, if outward stuff is not important, then why did Peter bother writing this? I have friends who were told by God (in an audible voice!) to stop drinking coffee or to stop wasting food. What's with that?? Perhaps we're not to separate spheres of our lives into outer/inner, secular/sacred etc. We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God. Love, Caroline From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 01:14:04 EST To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Interesting! Still proving that the point of the scripture is that it is not the outward appearance that is important (to wear or not to wear attractive jewelry, outer garments, or fancy hairdos), but the appearance of the inner woman which only God can see. Usually those who are overly consumed with the outer are neglecting (covering up) the inner. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Perry wrote: Does anyone on on TT know exactly what first century dresses were and what Paul's objections to them were? Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is himation, which is exactly the same meaning as our English word himation. This is the outer garment worn by both men and women that primarily functions aesthetically. In Latin it is the palla for women and pallium for men. Search on these words (himation, palla, pallium) and you should be able to find pictures and lots of information. It is important to note that modesty was NOT the issue here. Rather, it was formal dressing. In modern terms, it would be equivalent to women adorning themselves with that evening gown or prom dress along with make-up, jewelry, braiding hair and putting it up, etc. The himation was an outer garment worn over the tunic, so it would be like a man putting on a suit coat over his shirt. The suit coat is to enhance his outer appearance. Remove the himation completely, and the woman would not be naked or immodestly dressed anymore than a man would be when he removes his suit jacket. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Well, Timmy understood that because he sells the doughnuts and the holes. BTW, how is Krispy Kreme doing these days? In the early heardy days, I stood in line but haven't gone in ages. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses 'We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God.' The dichotomization issue is central. Thanks for raising it! Please do not forward this message to Tim Horton's. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 28, 2005 21:38 Subject: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Interesting too that the KJV on biblegateway.com has: 1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; Does yours really say dresses? What year was it printed? And who was the publisher? And if biblegateway is correct is Peter advocating nudist colonies? :-) Now, if outward stuff is not important, then why did Peter bother writing this? I have friends who were told by God (in an audible voice!) to stop drinking coffee or to stop wasting food. What's with that?? Perhaps we're not to separate spheres of our lives into outer/inner, secular/sacred etc. We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God. Love, Caroline From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 01:14:04 EST To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Interesting! Still proving that the point of the scripture is that it is not the outward appearance that is important (to wear or not to wear attractive jewelry, outer garments, or fancy hairdos), but the appearance of the inner woman which only God can see. Usually those who are overly consumed with the outer are neglecting (covering up) the inner. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Perry wrote: Does anyone on on TT know exactly what first century dresses were and what Paul's objections to them were? Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is himation, which is exactly the same meaning as our English word himation. This is the outer garment worn by both men and women that primarily functions aesthetically. In Latin it is the palla for women and pallium for men. Search on these words (himation, palla, pallium) and you should be able to find pictures and lots of information. It is important to note that modesty was NOT the issue here. Rather, it was formal dressing. In modern terms, it would be equivalent to women adorning themselves with that evening gown or prom dress along with make-up, jewelry, braiding hair and putting it up, etc. The himation was an outer garment worn over the tunic, so it would be like a man putting on a suit coat over his shirt. The suit coat is to enhance his outer appearance. Remove the himation completely, and the woman would not be naked or immodestly dressed anymore than a man would be when he removes his suit jacket. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join
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They (KK) are filing for bankruptcy. - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 29, 2005 08:34 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Well, Timmy understood that because he sells the doughnuts and the holes. BTW, how is Krispy Kreme doing these days? In the early heardy days, I stood in line but haven't gone in ages. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses 'We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God.' The dichotomization issue is central. Thanks for raising it! Please do not forward this message to Tim Horton's. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 28, 2005 21:38 Subject: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Interesting too that the KJV on biblegateway.com has: 1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; Does yours really say dresses? What year was it printed? And who was the publisher? And if biblegateway is correct is Peter advocating nudist colonies? :-) Now, if outward stuff is not important, then why did Peter bother writing this? I have friends who were told by God (in an audible voice!) to stop drinking coffee or to stop wasting food. What's with that?? Perhaps we're not to separate spheres of our lives into outer/inner, secular/sacred etc. We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God. Love, Caroline From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 01:14:04 EST To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Interesting! Still proving that the point of the scripture is that it is not the outward appearance that is important (to wear or not to wear attractive jewelry, outer garments, or fancy hairdos), but the appearance of the inner woman which only God can see. Usually those who are overly consumed with the outer are neglecting (covering up) the inner. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Perry wrote: Does anyone on on TT know exactly what first century dresses were and what Paul's objections to them were? Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is himation, which is exactly the same meaning as our English word himation. This is the outer garment worn by both men and women that primarily functions aesthetically. In Latin it is the palla for women and pallium for men. Search on these words (himation, palla, pallium) and you should be able to find pictures and lots of information. It is important to note that modesty was NOT the issue here. Rather, it was formal dressing. In modern terms, it would be equivalent to women adorning themselves with that evening gown or prom dress along with make-up, jewelry, braiding hair and putting it up, etc. The himation was an outer garment worn over the tunic, so it would be like a man putting on a suit coat over his shirt. The suit coat is to enhance his outer appearance. Remove the himation completely, and the woman would not be naked or immodestly dressed anymore than a man would be when he removes his suit jacket. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email
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Caroline, the dresses word is used in the NASB. If you use the apparel word, or whatever other word for normal outer clothing, then it is saying (legalistically interpreted) that you should not wear apparel or other outer clothing. Obviously, that is not the intention of the writer. He is simply saying that inner beauty before God cannot be achieved by dwelling only on our outer appearance. Outer appearance IS important--just not AS important. I agree that everything we do, say, think, wear, etc. is a reflection to others of the Lord that we serve, and should be taken seriously. I try to look my best each day because I am dressing for Him. All the more reason that we should not be over-consumed with the latest fads and fashions, or with neglecting the inner-man in the interest of the outer. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:39 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Interesting too that the KJV on biblegateway.com has: 1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; Does yours really say dresses? What year was it printed? And who was the publisher? And if biblegateway is correct is Peter advocating nudist colonies? :-) Now, if outward stuff is not important, then why did Peter bother writing this? I have friends who were told by God (in an audible voice!) to stop drinking coffee or to stop wasting food. What's with that?? Perhaps we're not to separate spheres of our lives into outer/inner, secular/sacred etc. We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God. Love, Caroline From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 01:14:04 EST To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Interesting! Still proving that the point of the scripture is that it is not the outward appearance that is important (to wear or not to wear attractive jewelry, outer garments, or fancy hairdos), but the appearance of the inner woman which only God can see. Usually those who are overly consumed with the outer are neglecting (covering up) the inner. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Perry wrote: Does anyone on on TT know exactly what first century dresses were and what Paul's objections to them were? Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is himation, which is exactly the same meaning as our English word himation. This is the outer garment worn by both men and women that primarily functions aesthetically. In Latin it is the palla for women and pallium for men. Search on these words (himation, palla, pallium) and you should be able to find pictures and lots of information. It is important to note that modesty was NOT the issue here. Rather, it was formal dressing. In modern terms, it would be equivalent to women adorning themselves with that evening gown or prom dress along with make-up, jewelry, braiding hair and putting it up, etc. The himation was an outer garment worn over the tunic, so it would be like a man putting on a suit coat over his shirt. The suit coat is to enhance his outer appearance. Remove the himation completely, and the woman would not be naked or immodestly dressed anymore than a man would be when he removes his suit jacket. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed
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The point of our conflict is expressed perfectly here Lance. I understand that you are speaking of "imputed" wholeness (arn't you?) - like God doesn't see us as we are or something like that. The word holiness according to the Noah Webster 1828 dictionary is taken from the word "whole" which is the process of sanctification that DM has been talking about. Presently we are not whole ppl. We don't look or act like Jesus -we are notyet perfected in love and many of us are wearing the curse He has redeemed us from in the form of sickness and disease. However, our hope is in Him and by faith (also a gift from Him) we will overcome because He will cause us to stand. Selah! jt From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]'We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God.' Thedichotomization issue is central. Thanks for raising it! Please do not forward this message to Tim Horton's. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting too that the KJV on biblegateway.com has: 1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; Does yours really say dresses? What year was it printed? And who was the publisher? And if biblegateway is correct is Peter advocating nudist colonies? :-) Now, if outward stuff is not important, then why did Peter bother writing this? I have friends who were told by God (in an audible voice!) to stop drinking coffee or to stop wasting food. What's with that?? Perhaps we're not to separate spheres of our lives into outer/inner, secular/sacred etc. We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God. Love, Caroline From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 01:14:04 EST To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Interesting! Still proving that the point of the scripture is that itis not the outward appearance that is important (to wear or not to wear attractive jewelry, outer garments, or fancy hairdos), but the appearance of the inner woman which only God can see. Usually those who are overly consumed with the outer are neglecting (covering up) the inner. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Perry wrote:Does anyone on on TT know exactly what firstcentury "dresses" were and what Paul's objectionsto them were? Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is himation, which is exactly the same meaning as our English word himation. This is the outer garment worn by both men and women that primarily functions aesthetically. In Latin it is the palla for women andpallium for men. Search on these words (himation, palla, pallium) and you shouldbe able to find pictures and lots of information. It is important to note that modesty was NOT the issue here. Rather,it was formal dressing. In modern terms, it would be equivalent to women adorning themselves with that evening gown or prom dress along with make-up, jewelry, braiding hair and putting it up, etc. The himation was an outer garment worn over the tunic, so it would be like a man putting on a suit coat over his shirt. The suit coat is to enhance his outer appearance. Remove the himation completely, and the woman would not be naked or immodestly dressed anymore than a man would be when he removes his suit jacket. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list,
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No. Imputation is not one my favourite words. When speaking of 'righteousness', I'm always referring to His and, not to ours. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 29, 2005 09:18 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses The point of our conflict is expressed perfectly here Lance. I understand that you are speaking of "imputed" wholeness (arn't you?) - like God doesn't see us as we are or something like that. The word holiness according to the Noah Webster 1828 dictionary is taken from the word "whole" which is the process of sanctification that DM has been talking about. Presently we are not whole ppl. We don't look or act like Jesus -we are notyet perfected in love and many of us are wearing the curse He has redeemed us from in the form of sickness and disease. However, our hope is in Him and by faith (also a gift from Him) we will overcome because He will cause us to stand. Selah! jt From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]'We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God.' Thedichotomization issue is central. Thanks for raising it! Please donot forward this message to Tim Horton's. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting too that the KJV on biblegateway.com has: 1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; Does yours really say dresses? What year was it printed? And who was the publisher? And if biblegateway is correct is Peter advocating nudist colonies? :-) Now, if outward stuff is not important, then why did Peter bother writing this? I have friends who were told by God (in an audible voice!) to stop drinking coffee or to stop wasting food. What's with that?? Perhaps we're not to separate spheres of our lives into outer/inner, secular/sacred etc. We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God. Love, Caroline From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 01:14:04 EST To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Interesting! Still proving that the point of the scripture is that itis not the outward appearance that is important (to wear or not to wear attractive jewelry, outer garments, or fancy hairdos), but the appearance of the inner woman which only God can see. Usually those who are overly consumed with the outer are neglecting (covering up) the inner. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Perry wrote:Does anyone on on TT know exactly what firstcentury "dresses" were and what Paul's objectionsto them were? Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is himation, which is exactly the same meaning as our English word himation. This is the outer garment worn by both men and women that primarily functions aesthetically. In Latin it is the palla for women and pallium for men. Search on these words (himation, palla, pallium) and you shouldbe able to find pictures and lots of information. It is important to note that modesty was NOT the issue here. Rather, it was formal dressing. In modern terms, it would be equivalent to women adorning themselves with that evening gown or prom dress along with make-up, jewelry, braiding hair and putting it up, etc. The himation was an outer garment worn over the tunic, so it would be like a man putting on a suit coat over his shirt. The suit coat is to enhance his outer appearance. Remove the himation completely, and the woman would not be naked or immodestly dressed anymore than a man would be when he removes his suit jacket. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may k
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Who is Tim Horton??? From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God.' The dichotomization issue is central. Thanks for raising it! Please do not forward this message to Tim Horton's.
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THE coffee place for Canada. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 29, 2005 09:57 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Who is Tim Horton??? From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]'We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God.' Thedichotomization issue is central. Thanks for raising it! Please donot forward this message to Tim Horton's.
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1 Peter 3:3 KJV: Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; NASB: Your adornment must not be merely external--braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; NIV: Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. It seems to me that in this verse, the NIV translators have the best English rendition of what Peter meant. Love Caroline
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Perry wrote: Does anyone on on TT know exactly what first century dresses were and what Paul's objections to them were? Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is himation, which is exactly the same meaning as our English word himation. This is the outer garment worn by both men and women that primarily functions aesthetically. In Latin it is the palla for women and pallium for men. Search on these words (himation, palla, pallium) and you should be able to find pictures and lots of information. It is important to note that modesty was NOT the issue here. Rather, it was formal dressing. In modern terms, it would be equivalent to women adorning themselves with that evening gown or prom dress along with make-up, jewelry, braiding hair and putting it up, etc. The himation was an outer garment worn over the tunic, so it would be like a man putting on a suit coat over his shirt. The suit coat is to enhance his outer appearance. Remove the himation completely, and the woman would not be naked or immodestly dressed anymore than a man would be when he removes his suit jacket. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Interesting! Still proving that the point of the scripture is that it is not the outward appearance that is important (to wear or not to wear attractive jewelry, outer garments, or fancy hairdos), but the appearance of the inner woman which only God can see. Usually those who are overly consumed with the outer are neglecting (covering up) the inner. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Perry wrote: Does anyone on on TT know exactly what first century dresses were and what Paul's objections to them were? Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is himation, which is exactly the same meaning as our English word himation. This is the outer garment worn by both men and women that primarily functions aesthetically. In Latin it is the palla for women and pallium for men. Search on these words (himation, palla, pallium) and you should be able to find pictures and lots of information. It is important to note that modesty was NOT the issue here. Rather, it was formal dressing. In modern terms, it would be equivalent to women adorning themselves with that evening gown or prom dress along with make-up, jewelry, braiding hair and putting it up, etc. The himation was an outer garment worn over the tunic, so it would be like a man putting on a suit coat over his shirt. The suit coat is to enhance his outer appearance. Remove the himation completely, and the woman would not be naked or immodestly dressed anymore than a man would be when he removes his suit jacket. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Judy, she would have like our church where jeans rule. J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:32 AM To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses How true, legalism comes in so many shapes and sizes. When I met my husband's grandmother she was 78yo - had outlived 3 husbands and all four of her children. I have photos of her at the turn of the century in those long frilly dresses they wore back then which must have been so much work. However, by the time I met her she was comfortable in jeans with a flannel long sleeved shirt and an apron and this is all I ever saw her wear. She was a believerin her own way but would never go to services at Church; she would tellme she was just as good as all those folk up there ... The real reason turned out to be because she wouldn't feel comfortable wearingherbritches because their tradition said that females should be in a dress. What a shame judyt From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting! Still proving that the point of the scripture is that it is not the outward appearance that is important (to wear or not to wear attractive jewelry, outer garments, or fancy hairdos), but the appearance of the inner woman which only God can see. Usually those who are overly consumed with the outer are neglecting (covering up) the inner. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perry wrote: Does anyone on on TT know exactly what first century dresses were and what Paul's objections to them were? Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is himation, which is exactly the same meaning as our English word himation. This is the outer garment worn by both men and women that primarily functions aesthetically. In Latin it is the palla for women and pallium for men. Search on these words (himation, palla, pallium) and you should be able to find pictures and lots of information. It is important to note that modesty was NOT the issue here. Rather, it was formal dressing. In modern terms, it would be equivalent to women adorning themselves with that evening gown or prom dress along with make-up, jewelry, braiding hair and putting it up, etc. The himation was an outer garment worn over the tunic, so it would be like a man putting on a suit coat over his shirt. The suit coat is to enhance his outer appearance. Remove the himation completely, and the woman would not be naked or immodestly dressed anymore than a man would be when he removes his suit jacket. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Interesting too that the KJV on biblegateway.com has: 1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; Does yours really say dresses? What year was it printed? And who was the publisher? And if biblegateway is correct is Peter advocating nudist colonies? :-) Now, if outward stuff is not important, then why did Peter bother writing this? I have friends who were told by God (in an audible voice!) to stop drinking coffee or to stop wasting food. What's with that?? Perhaps we're not to separate spheres of our lives into outer/inner, secular/sacred etc. We are whole people living whole lives before a holy God. Love, Caroline From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/04/28 Thu PM 01:14:04 EST To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Interesting! Still proving that the point of the scripture is that it is not the outward appearance that is important (to wear or not to wear attractive jewelry, outer garments, or fancy hairdos), but the appearance of the inner woman which only God can see. Usually those who are overly consumed with the outer are neglecting (covering up) the inner. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:01 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Perry wrote: Does anyone on on TT know exactly what first century dresses were and what Paul's objections to them were? Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is himation, which is exactly the same meaning as our English word himation. This is the outer garment worn by both men and women that primarily functions aesthetically. In Latin it is the palla for women and pallium for men. Search on these words (himation, palla, pallium) and you should be able to find pictures and lots of information. It is important to note that modesty was NOT the issue here. Rather, it was formal dressing. In modern terms, it would be equivalent to women adorning themselves with that evening gown or prom dress along with make-up, jewelry, braiding hair and putting it up, etc. The himation was an outer garment worn over the tunic, so it would be like a man putting on a suit coat over his shirt. The suit coat is to enhance his outer appearance. Remove the himation completely, and the woman would not be naked or immodestly dressed anymore than a man would be when he removes his suit jacket. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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our church is very casual too. When my brother visited for Christmas services I reminded him not to wear a suit. I wonder how many people did not go to church because they feel they do not belong. Also, Judy, you said your grandmother was a believer in her own way. We are all believers in our own way here at TT so I can relate to that. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses Judy, she would have like our church where jeans rule. J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:32 AMTo: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses How true, legalism comes in so many shapes and sizes. When I met my husband's grandmother she was 78yo - had outlived 3 husbands and all four of her children. I have photos of her at the turn of the century in those long frilly dresses they wore back then which must have been so much work. However, by the time I met her she was comfortable in jeans with a flannel long sleeved shirt and an apron and this is all I ever saw her wear. She was a believerin her own way but would never go to services at Church; she would tellme she was just as good as all those folk up there ... The real reason turned out to be because she wouldn't feel comfortable wearingherbritches because their tradition said that females should be in a dress. What a shame judyt From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Interesting! Still proving that the point of the scripture is that it is notthe outward appearance that is important (to wear or not to wear attractivejewelry, outer garments, or fancy hairdos), but the appearance of the innerwoman which only God can see. Usually those who are overly consumed withthe outer are neglecting (covering up) the inner. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Perry wrote: Does anyone on on TT know exactly what first century "dresses" were and what Paul's objections to them were? Yes, Perry. There has been quite a bit of discussion about this so you should not have any trouble researching it. The Greek word Peter uses is himation, which is exactly the same meaning as our English word himation. This is the outer garment worn by both men and women that primarily functions aesthetically. In Latin it is the palla for women and pallium for men. Search on these words (himation, palla, pallium) and you should be able to find pictures and lots of information. It is important to note that modesty was NOT the issue here. Rather, it was formal dressing. In modern terms, it would be equivalent to women adorning themselves with that evening gown or prom dress along with make-up, jewelry, braiding hair and putting it up, etc. The himation was an outer garment worn over the tunic, so it would be like a man putting on a suit coat over his shirt. The suit coat is to enhance his outer appearance. Remove the himation completely, and the woman would not be naked or immodestly dressed anymore than a man would be when he removes his suit jacket. Peace be with you.David Miller. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may knowhow you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have afriend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
