Re: [tryton] journal sequences by fiscal year

[Cédric Krier]

On 2018-04-03 19:18, Richard PALO wrote:
> Le 03/04/2018 à 18:54, Cédric Krier a écrit :
> > On 2018-04-03 18:44, Richard PALO wrote:
> >> Interestingly, article III.C.4 Avis CNC 174-1 - Les principes d'une 
> >> comptabilité régulière
> >> found in the site of the Belgian CNC 
> >> http://www.cnc-cbn.be/files/advice/link/FR_174-01.htm
> >> is quite similar to usages in France:
> >>> Dans chaque journal, les écritures doivent être identifiées par un numéro 
> >>> séquentiel
> >>> formant, le cas échéant par période comptable ou par exercice, une série 
> >>> continue.
> >> Which quickly translated says that 'In each journal, the entries must be 
> >> identified by a
> >> sequential number forming a continuous series, either by accounting period 
> >> or by fiscal year.'
> > 
> > This ensured by the *Post Number* field.
> > 
> 
> Perhaps I missed something, since when is the *post number* journal-specific?

It is not. I just point you that how this article is implemented.

> But the point is, at least in France, in mode 'brouillard', the number is 
> consecutive upon initial entry.

I never see any where such requirement for draft accounting. And it is
quite logical because it would make loosing its meaning to draft
accounting.

> Post number is consecutive upon validation(posting) which may be somewhat an 
> arbitrary order.

It is not arbitrary, it is chronological.

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Re: [tryton] journal sequences by fiscal year

[Richard PALO]

Le 03/04/2018 à 18:54, Dominique Chabord a écrit :

2018-04-03 18:44 GMT+02:00 Richard PALO :


Dans chaque journal, les écritures doivent être identifiées par un numéro
séquentiel
formant, le cas échéant par période comptable ou par exercice, une série
continue.


Which quickly translated says that 'In each journal, the entries must be
identified by a
sequential number forming a continuous series, either by accounting period
or by fiscal year.'



Personnaly, my translation of "le cas échéant", would be "optionaly"
and not "either".



Hmm, I guess I simply used 'either' to mean 'where appropriate' or 'if need 
be':-)

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Re: [tryton] journal sequences by fiscal year

[Richard PALO]

Le 03/04/2018 à 18:54, Cédric Krier a écrit :

On 2018-04-03 18:44, Richard PALO wrote:

Interestingly, article III.C.4 Avis CNC 174-1 - Les principes d'une 
comptabilité régulière
found in the site of the Belgian CNC 
http://www.cnc-cbn.be/files/advice/link/FR_174-01.htm
is quite similar to usages in France:

Dans chaque journal, les écritures doivent être identifiées par un numéro 
séquentiel
formant, le cas échéant par période comptable ou par exercice, une série 
continue.

Which quickly translated says that 'In each journal, the entries must be 
identified by a
sequential number forming a continuous series, either by accounting period or 
by fiscal year.'


This ensured by the *Post Number* field.



Perhaps I missed something, since when is the *post number* journal-specific?

Until now I understood it to be cross-journal by fiscal year (as it is 
configured on the FY).

But the point is, at least in France, in mode 'brouillard', the number is 
consecutive upon initial entry.
Post number is consecutive upon validation(posting) which may be somewhat an 
arbitrary order.

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Re: [tryton] journal sequences by fiscal year

[Cédric Krier]

On 2018-04-03 18:44, Richard PALO wrote:
> Interestingly, article III.C.4 Avis CNC 174-1 - Les principes d'une 
> comptabilité régulière
> found in the site of the Belgian CNC 
> http://www.cnc-cbn.be/files/advice/link/FR_174-01.htm
> is quite similar to usages in France:
> > Dans chaque journal, les écritures doivent être identifiées par un numéro 
> > séquentiel
> > formant, le cas échéant par période comptable ou par exercice, une série 
> > continue. 
> Which quickly translated says that 'In each journal, the entries must be 
> identified by a
> sequential number forming a continuous series, either by accounting period or 
> by fiscal year.'

This ensured by the *Post Number* field.

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Re: [tryton] journal sequences by fiscal year

[Richard PALO]

Le 02/04/2018 à 21:58, Cédric Krier a écrit :

On 2018-04-02 18:43, Richard PALO wrote:

How to set sequences created for general journals to reset every fiscal year?


It is not possible.


'not possible' is probably missing the adverb 'currently'


It is true that the posted move sequence and invoicing sequences are reset, but
any journal that touches the GL should be as well.


Why?



Well, first off, history shows that many accounting systems permit such, and 
some
even do so automatically.

Secondly, it more closely respects the independence of fiscal years where 
currently
internal numbering of journal entries does not.

Finally, organisations have their internal procedures for 
verification/validation.

Example: journal 'OD' is a general journal for miscellaneous operations working 
on
finishing up 2017 while 2018 is rolling right along, the mixed numbering and/or 
holes may
make certain actors uneasy (namely the direction, public accountants and 
auditors).

Naturally, an organisation often frowns/balks on limitations migrating to a new 
system
in absence of very good and motivated reasoning.

Interestingly, article III.C.4 Avis CNC 174-1 - Les principes d'une 
comptabilité régulière
found in the site of the Belgian CNC 
http://www.cnc-cbn.be/files/advice/link/FR_174-01.htm
is quite similar to usages in France:

Dans chaque journal, les écritures doivent être identifiées par un numéro 
séquentiel
formant, le cas échéant par période comptable ou par exercice, une série continue. 

Which quickly translated says that 'In each journal, the entries must be 
identified by a
sequential number forming a continuous series, either by accounting period or 
by fiscal year.'

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Re: [tryton] journal sequences by fiscal year

[Cédric Krier]

On 2018-04-02 18:43, Richard PALO wrote:
> How to set sequences created for general journals to reset every fiscal year?

It is not possible.

> It is true that the posted move sequence and invoicing sequences are reset, 
> but
> any journal that touches the GL should be as well.

Why?

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[tryton] journal sequences by fiscal year

[Richard PALO]

How to set sequences created for general journals to reset every fiscal year?
It appears even the Default Account Journal sequence is shared...

It is true that the posted move sequence and invoicing sequences are reset, but
any journal that touches the GL should be as well.
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