Re: [U2] What ETL?
Interesting comments on the subjectadmittedly I was fishing and wondering if anyone would mention Kore Technologies Kourier product. (which I don't have) So I guess I should offer also what I currently do My first question when someone mentions ETL, is What exactly are you trying to do? Mention what was once a term relegated more toward data modeling tools for data warehousing (and they are usually just as confused about WHAT is a data warehouse often blurring an ODS with what a true Data Warehouse is - but I digress) Are you trying to do data modeling For reporting? Data movement to another box?, Platform? What and when do you want to move data? It took me a while, but I don't like the approach of spending months on creating a home grown U2 tool - often you code yourself into a corner with no room for growth or change in platform -- Use that U2 coding for something useful in an application IF you are not moving an entire file, (which I would say amounts to 98.5% of the time) why would you limit yourself to a tool that only handles a single file at a time? When I implemented the EDI translator I selected something that was not strictly EDI so I could simply use it to move data, generate reports etc My Steps more or less: 1)I First design the Unidata File (this would include determining what fields I want from an existing file) 2)I then create simple SQL Dictionaries which I keep within a separate account (to keep them nice tidy and away from wayward fingers 2 dict levels for the same file if need be ) 3) Then Convert the Dicts to SQL 4) Simply use VSG to create Views, Combined Views, Sub-tables as needed down to the sub-value I hate the U2 XML tool since I think it makes butt ugly XML and that does not remotely resemble the masses - tried it and gave up I don't think the U2 mapper is quite ripe yet - close but not ripe in less than 7.1 (soon to upgrade) 5) Use plain 'ol ODBC setting up the datalink 6) Use the windows client 3rd party tool to map the visible U2 Tables to SQL tables as needed (drag drop - promotes SQL mindset) 7) A key is dropped to a Samba Shared Directory activating a Event Trigger on SQL to grab the data and extract the data as mapped 8) The Event driven mapping allows for data to be written back to Unidata down to the Sub-value NOWsince I want to get more bang for my buck out of the not only for EDI tool I would like to if possible disband the use of the Samba Share Event Trigger and simply write that data FROM Unidata to SQL (ok - I need a good driver!) Suggestions? ALSO - (here is the search for the magic bullet) IF a file is mapped to a SQL file how to capture changed only records for transmission I'm scratching my head thinking. Well.if you STAT a file or record...and that is where the brain fart takes over and I lose the path I am going down That is just my .02 Debster -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:33 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] What ETL? On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Mecki Foerthmannmec...@gmx.net wrote: If the price of Datastage wouldn't be so prohibitive... They have some very good pricing for the U2 version of DataStage. It has some restrictions which might sound problematic, but I'm told it is easy to use and deal with the restrictions. I do not have pricing information, but I recall there was a vast difference between the regular product price and the U2 product price. So I (have to) use SQL-Server DTS through ODBC and except for one file which has some records with tens of thousands of multi-values I had no problems so far. Yes, I opted not to suggest that option simply bz you have to work with your source via ODBC, which can be rather painful, even if doable. I am not sure, maybe the ODBC part of Avante is even SB+ standard, but I guess with UniSQL it wouldn't be a big deal to create SQL-schemas either. It was a bit tricky to get some I-Descriptors to work at first, but I soon got the hang of it. I found it is actually quite quick - even files with hundreds of thousands of records take only a couple of minutes to load, and since I do the upload over night it isn't a problem. SSIS would obviously even better than DTS since you can trap unclean data, but if you can't have anything else and your data is clean, DTS does the trick. If it works with Unidata 5.2 and standard SQL Server 2000 tools, who needs expensive ETL software? Well, that's at least what my boss obviously thinks. Yes, if you are headed into SQL Server and you already have ODBC licked, then DTS is a reasonable, if a bit irritating, approach. And if I could really convince him that I needed Datastage so I can use Cognos to produce reports from Avante, the board would send him packing if he asked them to spend nearly 100K on ETL software. Cognos
[U2] What ETL?
Just takin' a survey What ETL tool do you use - Why do you like it? Ease of use Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] What ETL?
OK - Lemme clarify that Unidata to SQLand other possible similar databases -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Debster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:50 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] What ETL? Just takin' a survey What ETL tool do you use - Why do you like it? Ease of use Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Mixed Case UV Basic Programming Standards.
sorry But I am giggling about this since after writing outside U2...I LIKE mixed case to distingush certain things... It just pisses some of the people off that I work with - because they still write ala circa 1982! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:31 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Mixed Case UV Basic Programming Standards. Since we are writing something new, I started out with Java styling rules, then saw that the AJAX toolset was written by people more accustomed to vb styling, so there is some mishmash, but we have File Names: CamelCase Field Names: CamelCase Constants: UPPER local variables: sometimeslower otherwise lowerCamelCase verbs and other reserved words: lower This pretty much aligns with our javascript styling too. --dawn On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Charles Stevensonstevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the way I use mixed case, so it tends to evolve. Not good, because consistency in programming style throughout an application makes for easier maintenance, maintainability is the god of software quality. So I am wondering how others use mixed case. Do you capitalize/lower/mix case for commands? Operators? Variables? Equates? etc. How do you use/not use special characters in variable names? For example: readu OrderMaster from ORDER.MASTER, OrderMasterId locked ... readU OE_rec from OE_f, OE_id locked ... ReadVU OE_Date From ORDER.MASTER, OE$Id, OE$Date Locked ... READU order.master.rec( oe$date ) FROM order.master.file, order.master.id LOCKED ... That sort of thing. I hesitate to even ask this for fear of starting a war. So ground rules for this thread: 1. NOT about MERITS of Uppercase only vs. Mixed Case programming. I am only interested in answers from people who actually use mixed case. 2. NOT about GOTO. Take it outside. 3. This is about PREFERENCE, NOT SUBSTANCE. By substantive I mean rules like: - Only open a file once. - Readu should always have a locked clause. By preference I mean stuff like my example. They are all functionally equivalent. 4. NO ARGUMENTS about whether someone's style is good or bad, or yours is better. Explaining why you do it a certain way is helpful, though. Just remember, when it comes to preferences, no two programmers will agree, yet consistent style, whate'er it be, increases maintainability. Thanks, Chuck Stevenson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] How do you do EDI?
BTW.at www.Softsearch.com they have a free download of their EDI Notepad that is a great little desktop tool for anyone doing EDI. It enables you to view any EDI and will alert you to any structural errors, including improper codes utilized in segments (i.e. 128, 235) It also has a complete X12 doc behind it allowing you to view all possible qualifiers -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Debster Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:43 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] How do you do EDI? We purchased an relatively inexpensive (compared to GenTran) Translation package. www.softsearch.com It provides many standard templates for various EDI Docs, but it is not for EDI alone. It can be used to produce EDI, XML docs (for cross platform use), and even text data files, it sends alerts, has a communication package (that we use to keep the garbage off the legacy system, stmp, ftp, AS2) It is SQL based so any data that we wish to transmit we build Tables sending a key to a shared trigger file which signals us to drop off/pick up. It is highly flexible, kept up to date with standards and has great documentation. Debra A. Fedchin ~~ H: 732.698.0499 C: 732.233.3088 www.infinite-systems.net Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Martin Scholl Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:32 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] How do you do EDI? I wrote a suite of Windows applications for HIPAA EDI transaction sets using UniDynArrays and U2 databases. I parse the EDI documents into dynamic arrays and store individual transactions completely in one record. The nesting of the EDI document is transformed into the nesting of fields, values, subvalues, textvalues and even subtextvalues (chr(250) as delimiter). HIPAA deals primarily with the 837 healthcare claim, which is truly complex. The Dynamic array allows me to store and reproduce EDI records a task that a truly normalized database needs upwards of 70 dependent tables. Healthcare has extensive exchanges of EDI records between providers, payers, repricing organizations and the government. My clients use just a subset of the data which they select for their legacy application while I take care of the integrity and completeness of the record. Martin Scholl www.HIPAAsuite.com 18910 New Hampshire Ave Brinklow, MD 20862 Phone: 301-924-5537 Cell: 301-613-9572 msch...@martinscholl.com -- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Norman Bauer Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:25 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] How do you do EDI? We have a very painful, labor intensive way that we do EDI. From the way we create the X12 documents to our users inputing information to be sent in an EDI message. I would like to start evaluating alternative methods to our current practices. All suggestions welcome. Norm No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.59/2165 - Release Date: 06/09/09 05:53:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] How do you do EDI?
We purchased an relatively inexpensive (compared to GenTran) Translation package. www.softsearch.com It provides many standard templates for various EDI Docs, but it is not for EDI alone. It can be used to produce EDI, XML docs (for cross platform use), and even text data files, it sends alerts, has a communication package (that we use to keep the garbage off the legacy system, stmp, ftp, AS2) It is SQL based so any data that we wish to transmit we build Tables sending a key to a shared trigger file which signals us to drop off/pick up. It is highly flexible, kept up to date with standards and has great documentation. Debra A. Fedchin ~~ H: 732.698.0499 C: 732.233.3088 www.infinite-systems.net Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Martin Scholl Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:32 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] How do you do EDI? I wrote a suite of Windows applications for HIPAA EDI transaction sets using UniDynArrays and U2 databases. I parse the EDI documents into dynamic arrays and store individual transactions completely in one record. The nesting of the EDI document is transformed into the nesting of fields, values, subvalues, textvalues and even subtextvalues (chr(250) as delimiter). HIPAA deals primarily with the 837 healthcare claim, which is truly complex. The Dynamic array allows me to store and reproduce EDI records a task that a truly normalized database needs upwards of 70 dependent tables. Healthcare has extensive exchanges of EDI records between providers, payers, repricing organizations and the government. My clients use just a subset of the data which they select for their legacy application while I take care of the integrity and completeness of the record. Martin Scholl www.HIPAAsuite.com 18910 New Hampshire Ave Brinklow, MD 20862 Phone: 301-924-5537 Cell: 301-613-9572 msch...@martinscholl.com -- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Norman Bauer Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:25 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] How do you do EDI? We have a very painful, labor intensive way that we do EDI. From the way we create the X12 documents to our users inputing information to be sent in an EDI message. I would like to start evaluating alternative methods to our current practices. All suggestions welcome. Norm No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.59/2165 - Release Date: 06/09/09 05:53:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] How do you do EDI?
The two biggest problems I have found with EDI are.. If you coded it...it does not have the flexibility of a translator (especially when someone sends segments out of whack) and It is a pain to tweak for 1 or 2 oddballs It's better to leave it to someone else to keep the standards up to date. I have enough to do Debra A. Fedchin ~~ H: 732.698.0499 C: 732.233.3088 www.infinite-systems.net Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:50 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] How do you do EDI? Our EDI usage is fairly simple (850,855 and 810) right now. We are using a provider, where we receive and transmit XML files, who then converts them into edi and drops them on the network. Whenever a new 850 comes in, the provider sends an email. we are running UV on unix, so the email is aliased/forwarded (appended) to a file. In UV we have a process that monitors that file for changes. This triggers a program that then goes out to their ftp site, and reads any new XML files. The XML is then converted into an internal format (From the 850). This record then becomes the master record for that edi transaction. as it passes through our edi system, it's updated. Once everything is approved, an internal 855 format is created, as well as an internal 810 format is created when the order is processed/invoiced. I have a file of providers, which has in which format the 850 will be in, the 855 and 810 needs to be (EDI or XML), depending on that value, I have subroutines that convert to/from the internal format to either EDI or XML, and then if 855/810, the file is then uploaded to the providers ftp site. also in the file, is the ftp site name, password any special ftp commands that have to be executed, and the drop folder name. This way if there is more than one trading partner that needs to use different providers, the program will automatically adjust to the format and/or the ftp site. The base programs are consistent, since they all work off the internal format, then depending on the provider or the format, will run subroutines specific to each. This way if we add a new provider or trading partner that needs something unique, it's just a matter of creating a new subroutine just for them, and the base edi works the same. I'm fairly new to edi, and this was my first attempt at a system , my next add-on will be to check the site every hour and download any 997's that have come in, and update the edi record with that information as well. Since we are starting this from the ground up, it was fairly easy to integrate it into our order entry, shipping fulfillment and accounts receivable systems. One thing I just don't understand..Why is it so freakin expensive to transmit EDI transactions? in today's age of the internet and transmission speeds. If RECORD contains the EDI-formatted-data.. CONVERT ~ TO CHAR(254) IN RECORD CONVERT * TO CHAR(253) IN RECORD So if RECORD1,1=ST then RECORD1,2=ST01, RECORD1,3=ST02 .etc you now have a mulitvalued record of the edidata (to some extent, doesn't format loops). From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Norman Bauer Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:25 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] How do you do EDI? We have a very painful, labor intensive way that we do EDI. From the way we create the X12 documents to our users inputing information to be sent in an EDI message. I would like to start evaluating alternative methods to our current practices. All suggestions welcome. Norm ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [U2] OLEDB error
Well... After all the back and forth in attempting to transfer data back forth between a third party SQL Server based tool... IMHO -- Unidata XML is rudimentary at best. It is not exactly pretty, outbound is easy even if esthetically UGLY, is easily transmitted, read, and data populated once outside Unidata. -- Parsing inbound XML data is yet another story on Unidata 6.x it simply does not work. Not ready for prime time. The only work around is to create a program to read the tags and populate. One document states to create a map (was done), yet another document states to create an extract file, (duh - isn't a map stating what field, size, position providing the same information? - use the search on the complete doc set and see all the conflicting hits you can find!) A Big Thumbs down. This method was bagged -- The XML/DB tool has bugs - but is workable, but for what end result I do not know due to the above mentioned results -- ODBC/OLEDB setup, documentation, support is nearly non-existent and woefully skewed and is devoid of Big Picture, Best Practices and Commonly used information. It took FOREVER to get the slimmest of answers to basic questions. -- End result, I am able to write directly from within the appOh joy! Direct DML used... SQL Server 2005 to Unidata 6.x down to the Multi subvalue. The data can cleanly be pushed or pulled in either direction. This was done with much trial and error invested -- no additional third party drivers required - and if I told you how I did it -- I would have to kill you -- and NOW they decide the time is to upgrade to Unidata 7.x -- aaahh -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Garry Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] OLEDB error Insert to a view has several limitations: You cannot Insert multiple tables to a view with multiple tables. Only one table at a time. If a view is not showing all the fields and some of those un-seen fields do not allow nulls then when you do an Insert to the view it fails. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:44 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] OLEDB error What is the actual sql command you are performing ? It is a bit confusing as the error talks about an insert but it is a select it is showing. -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Debra Fedchin Sent: 17 February 2009 15:59 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] OLEDB error Yep All permission's are set to PUBLIC It is frustrating since most of the DOCS give examples of utilizing SQL statements as if you attempting to manipulate Unidata data within the Unidata server itself (duh -- now why would I be attempting to make like more complicated for no good reason?) OR examples of how to EXTRACT data from a SQL server into Unidata. There are no clear examples of a standard SQL statement that would be used on a Client to update exposed SQL Tables that have a parent/child relationship (MV) -- and a statement that goes beyond a mere snipit that would give you more than the smallest granular overview. It's bad enough that the XML extract does not work as documented (non standard and just plain butt ugly in regards to hierarchy!) without adding further insult to injury. All I am trying to do is to update FROM a client to Unidata without having to drop-kick to flat text files! It ain't rocket science! Horacio Pellegrino hpellegri...@optonline.net Sent by: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org 02/12/2009 08:11 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject RE: [U2] OLEDB error Username has permissions to create and insert granted? HP -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Debra Fedchin Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:08 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org; 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: [U2] OLEDB error ok Can someone tell me why I got this error? Debug: OLEDB driver: Insert SQL='SELECT BIG_01_Invoice_Date, BIG_02_Invoice_Num, BIG_03_PO_Date, BIG_04_PO_Num, BIG_05_Rel_Num, BIG_07_Trans_Type, Benco_Host, CTT_01_CTT_Amt, DTM_01_Date_Qualifer, DTM_02_Date_Shipped, Date_Processed, EDI810_ID, Mailbox, N1_BT_01_Code, N1_BT_02_Name, N1_BT_03_Qualifier, N1_BT_04_ID, N3_BT_01_Address1, N3_BT_02_Address2, N4_BT_01_City, N4_BT_02_State, N4_BT_03_Zip, N4_BT_04_Country_Code, TDS_01_Amount, Trading_Partner, Vendor_Num FROM daf.EDI_INVOICE_HDR_NF_SUB
[U2] HELP - Issues with Unidata 6.1.15 SQL
Must I utilize a BCI connection in conjunction with attempting to do a datalink update to a Unidata SQL table from a Microsoft based app? I set up the OLEDB connection and am able to view the subtables from the application. But when I set it to auto update from the translation map it bombs with the following error. Error: Couldn't insert row into table 'DELTA_TP_CUST_VEND_MV_SUB'. Error: Error 0x80004005: [Ardent][UniData ODBC Driver][IBM][SQL Client][UNIDATA]Transaction access conflict: update in READ ONLY transaction Is it a set-up issue? All permissions on the table are set to PUBLIC Is it because the app does not have a login name in unix within the proper group to access the table? What is the correct version of the OLEDB driver for 6.1.15 and what driver should be used on the SQL server side Or is it BCI is the missing link I do not remember having such difficulties cross platform before! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] FW: XML Help!
This is the entire issue I created a Header detail file since the files would go too deep (beyond subvalue) I then created the xsd dtd files via the TOXML These were then ported over to a SQL server box where the EDI translator reside On the SQL server box I then created a XML model containing both files and created a DTD from this combination This combined DTD was written to the _XML_ file that sits between the Unix box and SQL Using this DTD I created the combined map with the XML/DB tool (which I found a wee bit funky*) I attempted to use this with the XML.TODB since I was attempting to populate ALL named attributes (none of which are virtual) and not selectively updating fields After multiple attempts it responded with a success yet no files/tables were updated (no records) So my thought after reading the thoroughly confusing documentation, and the XML.TODB did not work is that I needed to create a extract file in order to populate the Unidata files My last question is - do I need to create two extract files or can it be handled as a combined header detail I'm open to any suggestions FUNKY = when creating the combined map I made the mistake of mapping a subvalued field first in the detail portion which resulted in placing the subvalue as the StartNode: TABLECLASSMAP MapName=EDI_INVOICE_LINE_REF_INV-MV StartNode=REF_INV-MV TableName=EDI_INVOICE_LINE Action=Append ColumnMap Node=../../../InvoiceDetail/EDI_INVOICE_LINE/@EDI810_Line Column=EDI810_Line/ -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Michael Rajkowski Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:54 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] FW: XML Help! Debster, The TOXML uses the extraction file. XMLTODB and DBTOXML uses the XMAP file. There are a few differences. If you plan on importing the data back into the U2 file then you should use the XMAP. It maps the XML ( defined in a DTD or SCHEMA ) to the actual data fields ( D-TYPE dictionaries ), where the extract file will allow the creation of XML for not only the data fields but also the derived fields ( I or V type dictionaries ) Since you are using the TOXML keyword, I would recommend that you create a map based on your query statement. Add the WITHSHCEMA or WITHDTD keyword ( Note that the 'TO' clause will write out the XML file and the DTD or Schema. ) You can then use the DTD or Schema to create the XMAP, and use the XMAP for the DBTOXML. Michael Rajkowski SWG Client Support - Information Management Software Software Engineer ? IBM U2 Client Support Team 1-800-729-3553 mraj...@us.ibm.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] FW: XML Help!
I should also add the all attributes are unique although the combined XML doc uses different namespaces for the header detail -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Michael Rajkowski Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:54 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] FW: XML Help! Debster, The TOXML uses the extraction file. XMLTODB and DBTOXML uses the XMAP file. There are a few differences. If you plan on importing the data back into the U2 file then you should use the XMAP. It maps the XML ( defined in a DTD or SCHEMA ) to the actual data fields ( D-TYPE dictionaries ), where the extract file will allow the creation of XML for not only the data fields but also the derived fields ( I or V type dictionaries ) Since you are using the TOXML keyword, I would recommend that you create a map based on your query statement. Add the WITHSHCEMA or WITHDTD keyword ( Note that the 'TO' clause will write out the XML file and the DTD or Schema. ) You can then use the DTD or Schema to create the XMAP, and use the XMAP for the DBTOXML. Michael Rajkowski SWG Client Support - Information Management Software Software Engineer ? IBM U2 Client Support Team 1-800-729-3553 mraj...@us.ibm.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] FW: XML Help!
I wasn't using an extraction file..I was using a .map I am on Unidata 6.115 -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Michael Rajkowski Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:18 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] FW: XML Help! Well, not knowing what release you are on, or the specific details of your map file, I can only guess. In the release notes there is the following: Problems Fixed in UniVerse Release 10.2.8 (Build 6164) 10077 Beginning at UniVerse 10.1.0, UniVerse no longer retrieved XML data if the XML source document included references to namespaces, and you were using an XML extraction file to retrieve the data. This problem resulted from an internal error when processing namespace definitions, and has been fixed. There are other XML fixes in other releases but his might be what you are hitting. Michael Rajkowski SWG Client Support - Information Management Software Software Engineer ? IBM U2 Client Support Team 1-800-729-3553 mraj...@us.ibm.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] FW: XML
Hmmm...is this a damned if you do and damed if you don't? XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map error message: U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction: MapChildKey EDI_PARENT in RelatedTable is already defined in TABLECLASSMAP EDI_INVOICE_LINE_EDIInvoiceDetail. Error when open the XMAP as a dataset. XML.TODB Failed So I go in and adjust and run it again :.X XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map error message: U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction: Cannot find column EDI_PARENT in file EDI_INVOICE_LINE. Error when open the XMAP as a dataset. XML.TODB Failed I adjust again and get a success Yippee! But there is no data to be found! Debster ~~ www.infinite-systems.net Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
{Blocked Content} RE: [U2] FW: XML Help!
Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed Warning: (not named). Warning: Please read the AngelicHost-Attachment-Warning.txt attachment(s) for more information. OkI feel like a hamster in a habitrail its the documentation sirshe just couldn't take it anymore...it told her at least three ways to do the same thing...even though she was limber from all the yoga she does ...she still turned into a pretzel and was eaten by the ogres of extensible languages Can someone explain the different uses of the U2XMAP file vs the Extract file when attempting to parse an inbound XML? Especially when attempting to populate 2 separate files. [a single file would have gone too deep] I attempted to use the XML.TODB since I was not selectively updating, but rather attempting to update every named attribute within the XML Both the Map and xml doc were located within _XML_ How can TOXML work like a charm and yet its reverse is soo. -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Debster Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:07 PM To: u2-us...@listserver. U2ug. Org Subject: [U2] FW: XML Hmmm...is this a damned if you do and damed if you don't? XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map error message: U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction: MapChildKey EDI_PARENT in RelatedTable is already defined in TABLECLASSMAP EDI_INVOICE_LINE_EDIInvoiceDetail. Error when open the XMAP as a dataset. XML.TODB Failed So I go in and adjust and run it again :.X XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map error message: U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction: Cannot find column EDI_PARENT in file EDI_INVOICE_LINE. Error when open the XMAP as a dataset. XML.TODB Failed I adjust again and get a success Yippee! But there is no data to be found! Debster ~~ www.infinite-systems.net Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This is a message from the MailScanner E-Mail Virus Protection Service -- The original e-mail attachment winmail.dat was believed to be infected by a virus and has been replaced by this warning message. If you wish to receive a copy of the *infected* attachment, please e-mail helpdesk and include the whole of this message in your request. Alternatively, you can call them, with the contents of this message to hand when you call. At Mon Jan 19 16:45:46 2009 the virus scanner said: Could not parse Outlook Rich Text attachment Note to Help Desk: Look on the AngelicHost MailScanner in /home/virtual/site2/fst/var/spool/mail.quarantine/20090119 (message n0K0jerU003056). -- Postmaster --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] FW: XML Help!
OkI feel like a hamster in a habitrail its the documentation sirshe just couldn't take it anymore...it told her at least three ways to do the same thing...even though she was limber from all the yoga she does ...she still turned into a pretzel and was eaten by the ogres of extensible languages Can someone explain the different uses of the U2XMAP file vs the Extract file when attempting to parse an inbound XML? Especially when attempting to populate 2 separate files. [a single file would have gone too deep] I attempted to use the XML.TODB since I was not selectively updating, but rather attempting to update every named attribute within the XML So if I use Unibasic rather than a TCL command I need the extract file?!? Both the Map and xml doc were located within _XML_ How can TOXML work like a charm and yet its reverse is soo. -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Debster Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:07 PM To: u2-us...@listserver. U2ug. Org Subject: [U2] FW: XML Hmmm...is this a damned if you do and damed if you don't? XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map error message: U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction: MapChildKey EDI_PARENT in RelatedTable is already defined in TABLECLASSMAP EDI_INVOICE_LINE_EDIInvoiceDetail. Error when open the XMAP as a dataset. XML.TODB Failed So I go in and adjust and run it again :.X XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map error message: U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction: Cannot find column EDI_PARENT in file EDI_INVOICE_LINE. Error when open the XMAP as a dataset. XML.TODB Failed I adjust again and get a success Yippee! But there is no data to be found! Debster ~~ www.infinite-systems.net Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Performance issues on Unidata 7.x Unix 5.3
This regards a system just moved from unix 5.3 unidata 6.x to a p570 still with unix 5.3 but the latest and greatest (ahem) 7.x Problem is most bench marking tools do not allow the load you will experience during uptime -- as in everyone is logged off and out I need advice on what to check regarding the performance issues especially in relation to cross platform connections, odbc, shared SQL tables created thru VSG, etc. ODBC and locking issues If the addition of logging certain items will cause a significant drain (adding more misery) Config parameters to double-check especially regarding their relationship to Unix config parameters Issues related to porting an older version to a new box and potential carryover conflicts (drivers located in two udt directories when you are not really running concurrently) Some areas saw significant increase of speed, while otherswell... --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?
Because ! is speaking Unix In order to copy, read, etc some items that contain some special characters, or spaces you must wrap them with in order for the system to translate what is enclosed to characters -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Karen Bessel Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:26 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness? Have you tried quoting the item-ID? I don't have any explanation for why the ! would cause the split. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:14 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness? Is there any particular reason why the following command fails on Unidata (ECLTYPE P)? COPY file 0011327008!1 It splits the key on the ! character and sees it like two different items. Is there a way to stop this? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?
because it is really just the unix cp command wrapped so it reacts the same ED reacts the same with embedded spaces -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:08 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness? I understand the fix, but what I don't understand is why COPY works different from ED or DELETE or other commands. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2][EMPLOYMENT]
well then -- I'm in trouble but I'm 35 miles from ground zero as the crow flies -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of john reid Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:39 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2][EMPLOYMENT] I'm a mere 50 miles from ground zero. It's probably affecting my mental processes. :-) j On 6/7/07, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the government has anything to say about it then it probably would be separated. In the past though it was not unusual to have one person doing everything in the IS department because he/she was the only one in the department. - Original Message - From: john reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [U2][EMPLOYMENT] Not talking just one thing though. Foremost is the fact that its likely that IF you're doing the administration, and the development there are probably segregation of duties issues with even the most passive audit. Notwithstanding ... it still sounds like more than one fte, at least to this former IT manager. j On 6/7/07, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds normal for this business. Every job I've ever had was similar, never had a job where I did only one thing all day every day. - Original Message - From: john reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [U2][EMPLOYMENT] Maybe I read the job description wrong, but it seems that you are searching for one person to do just about everything that is involved with keeping a system running. Administration, design, DEVELOPMENT, and the ability to work all hours, not to mention having time to 'fluidly' communicate with probably department heads etc. My $.02. j On 6/1/07, Perry Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Senior UniVerse System Administrator (Technology) ZirMed, Inc. Louisville, Kentucky This job reports to the Chief Technology Officer Relocation is negotiable and travel is not required. This is a Full-Time position, working 1st Shift. Number of Openings for this position: 1 To apply please forward resume mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] View this and other opportunities at http://www.zirmed.com/public/employment.aspx -- Overview ZirMed, Inc., a Louisville based leader in the Healthcare Electronic Claims Clearinghouse arena, is seeking a Senior UniVerse System Administrator to be responsible for the overall design, implementation and administration of all facets of the ZirMed UniVerse System. Job Skills/Requirements GENERAL RESPONSIBILITIES: . System Design and Implementation o Database design o Data and process distribution o Application design . Linux Administrator o Operating system installation, configuration and maintenance o Security o Performance and monitoring of backups and restores o Software installation, configuration and maintenance o File system monitoring and maintenance o User account maintenance . UniVerse Administrator o Installation and configuration of UniVerse o Account creation and management o Configuration, monitoring and troubleshooting of transaction logging o Performance and monitoring of backups and restores o UniVerse security administration . Developer o Develop and test applications in both UNIX and UniVerse o Maintain and/or enhance existing applications . Source Control Administrator o Monitor source control and software deployment by developers . Application Software Deployment o Organize and coordinate application software quality assurance and deployment for both scheduled and non-scheduled code turn cycles . Development Standards o Establish, maintain and implement development standards and conventions . Developer Educator in topics such as o UniVerse BASIC programming practices, conventions and techniques o UNIX shell programming practices, conventions and techniques o Using UniVerse indexes, triggers, sockets interface, CallHTTP interface o Dictionaries o Query techniques and optimization o Source Control Management . Production Process Monitoring o Monitor the production environment through the use of email alerts, reports, interactive examination, etc., for application failures, process bottlenecks, etc. . Assist other departments with usage and troubleshooting of UniVerse and production applications. . Maintain a very liberal, open, and fluid communication with and foster a good working relationship among developers, production users and business owners . Perform other tasks and special projects from time to time as assigned by either the CIO or the
RE: [U2] WRITE issues??
a) is it at only one location and they are running the same software (possible operator) b) Locking c) If the old data appears after a batch process where the data was updated prior to the operator entry possible batch overwrite d) If it's SB then possible that subroutine did not return with 'update e) Possible re-read of record without updates and overwrite (but that would show up immediately and they would think the update never occurred) Yes, try a trigger to see when the updates occur and write them to a log. If using ODBC with several sites, make sure the ODBC account (if separate) also has the MD's created on it -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pamela J Robbins Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:07 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] WRITE issues?? Thanks everyone. I'm trying to answer all questions in the same email. We have a very old system (about 20 years). It's mostly 'vanilla' pick. We've been using UniVerse for longer than I've been working with this system (4 years). I worked with MUMPS for the previous 23 years. We don't have a front end. We aren't using UniObjects. We aren't using transaction logging, but I really want to do that soon. The sysadmin who did most of the work on the system took a new job a few months ago. We've been experiencing some problems with a Cold Fusion application and they were rebooting here and there. I think that I heard someone say they had quit rebooting, but were now recycling UniVerse instead. We have two campuses. We have a consultant who does most of the work on the campus that's having the problems, but I got involved while he was on vacation. We've asked him to set up some audits. I suggested that he try using triggers. We haven't used them before. We're not using transaction processing or data replication. The applications that are interfacing only pull data. We don't have any other system writing to this system. It sounds like audits are the best solution at this time. Thanks for all of your help. -- Pamela J Robbins New Bolton Center Senior Programmer AnalystSchool of Veterinary Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Pennsylvania 610-925-6438 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [AD] U2 Programmer needed in the Denver Area ASAP
Maybe too much Starbucks? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of jjuser ud2 Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 4:34 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [AD] U2 Programmer needed in the Denver Area ASAP Somebody is a little TOO EXCITED... ;) On 3/28/07, Andrew Brudwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My name is Andy Brudwick! I am an IT recruiter for Professional Search and Placement here in Denver. I am alway's looking for good people in this arena! Feel free to call or email me if you are interested or know anyone I can network with! THANKS!!! I am currently conducting a search for an EXCELLENT U2 PROGRAMMER for a SUPERB client of ours here in Denver! This is a PERMANENT position. U2 PROGRAMMER with Unidata and/or Universe experience. The successful candidate should have 5 years of U2 experience and familiarity with XLr8 tools and environment. Our client's software is 100% Web based, so experience with HTML/JavaScript is required. JAVA PROGRAMMER needed with U2 and similar skills. EXCELLENT BENEFITS AND VERY FLEXIBLE WORK SCHEDULE 100% Paid Health Insurance/High Deductibles 401K with 100% matching program 4 day work week once acclimated is possible Contact: Andy Brudwick (303) 779-8004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] BLOCKED::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT][U2] Wintegrate
This should depend on your current version of Unidata/Universe and what platform so you had better check what goes with what version I was unable to get Unidebugger to actually even load on some installs with later versions of Universe. Buggy to say the least on some previous installs. I found it much easier (and reliable) to simply drop-kick to ye'ol debugger or Trace in the case of use with SB+ Accuterm is better choice over Wintegrate, although I would never use the proprietary GUI, (if it ain't portable) since I found it ratherwellconvoluted and not worth the effort. ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nick Cipollina Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:10 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [OT][U2] Wintegrate I want wIntegrate because of the tie-in to unidebugger, which can then be tied into PRC which we are going to be purchasing soon. Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [OT][U2] Wintegrate Have you checked into Dynamic Connect? It is the default supplied with Unidata/Universe PE version. Vance Alspach Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/14/2006 12:03 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject Re: [OT][U2] Wintegrate If you must get wintegrate, it should still be available from IBM. I would strongly go with Accuterm as it wins hands down on many comparisons. Unless your apps are married to wintegrate's gui components. Accuterm's GUI designer is huge. 2 of my clients have dictated that all new programs are done with it and it works perfectly side by side in a green screen environment. Best of all, Accuterm is $1,000 for 50 licenses versus $225 each from IBM. You do the math. My 1,000 cents Mark Johnson Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Wintegrate? Thanks, Nick Cipollina --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Program Mgmt System
I'll chime in to say the samePRC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Program Mgmt System Your best bet for a U2 aware integrated environment is PRC -- it's what we use (and probably most people who do U2 development) -- you can get CVS to do what you want, but it's more work from the integration standpoint - PRC will 'wrap' the editors you typically use and ensure changes are captured. It's like most Change management - you reap what you sow. It's a royal pain when you want to do a one line change and have to complete 10 steps to do it. But, ultimately, that's what you're trying to get control of - it's the one line changes that wreak havoc as well! YMMV, but it's what I've been using... David W. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Rogen Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:03 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Program Mgmt System To all, We are in process of getting new systems here, which will be allowing us to segregate the programming people from the live system In this light, we will actually be setting up a form testing to implementation environment. Question: Does anybody know of a good 'software management' program out there that will allow us to manage program version control, implementation process, auditing capabilities, etc, etc.Any suggestions will be much appreciated. Barry Rogen PNY Technologies, Inc. Senior Programmer/Analyst (973) 515 - 9700 ext 5327 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.t. roosevelt NOT INTENDED AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR A WRITING NOTHING IN THIS E-MAIL, IN ANY E-MAIL THREAD OF WHICH IT MAY BE A PART, OR IN ANY ATTACHMENTS THERETO, SHALL CONSTITUTE A BINDING CONTRACT, OR ANY CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION BY PNY, OR ANY INTENT TO ENTER INTO ANY BINDING OBLIGATIONS, NOTWITHSTANDING ANY ENACTMENT OF THE UNIFORM ELECTRONIC TRANSACTIONS ACT, THE FEDERAL E-SIGN ACT, OR ANY OTHER STATE OR FEDERAL LAW OF SIMILAR SUBSTANCE OR EFFECT. THIS EMAIL MESSAGE, ITS CONTENTS AND ATTACHMENTS ARE NOT INTENDED TO REPRESENT AN OFFER OR ACCEPTANCE OF AN OFFER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT. NOTHING IN THIS E-MAIL, IN ANY E-MAIL THREAD OF WHICH IT MAY BE A PART, OR IN ANY ATTACHMENTS THERETO SHALL ALTER THIS DISCLAIMER. This e-mail message from PNY Technologies, Inc. is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Taxware or
Although the info is very helpful -- The Taxware package I was requesting info on was a purchase that was made before my time, yet never installed even though they have been paying maintenance already for a year! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave R Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Taxware or http://www.thestc.com/ Dave R e Fax (815)4259364 P.O. Box 17811, Irvine CA 92623-7811 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fyi As of today, Taxware is a division of ADP. Vance [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/28/2006 04:03 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject [U2] Taxware ok Task at hand -- install the c version of Taxware on AIX 5.3 Unidata 6.x and interact on a transactional or batch basis. I saw Epicor listed as one of their partners --- so Anyone use Taxware (first data company)? Setup? How it interacts? Batch or transactional? Problems? Support raves/woes? -- Debster --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Taxware
and oh yesQuery 400 is oh so much fun ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:00 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Taxware In the last 12 years I've lost a bunch of clients due to mergers or 'upgrades' to allegedly more modern systems. With only one exception, each was a turn for the worse. The users bemoaned the lack of features we have installed and while it looks 'pretty' with its GUI interface, it is nice frosting on a very plain cake. The fact that you're migrating over to an RPG system makes me laugh and cry at the same time. I programmed with RPG in the mid 1970's before working for Microdata then. You will sorely miss virtually everything that is missing on that AS/400 system that is taken for granted on an MV system. While many contempory IT people look down their noses at us MV people, RPG is even worse than MV in this case. Today, these youngsters think RPG is either Role Playing Game or Rocket Propelled Grenade and not Report Program Generator. If there's any shred of possibly having a fair trial for the death penalty of your MV system, then I could offer a few real-world scenarios where the MV system would have prevailed. Now I know that we're biased towards MV. But to go to RPG is more Jurrasic than Pick is. My 2 cents. Mark Johnson P.S. I have friends who still program in COBOL, Fortran, Pascal, IDA and even BAL. And we're the ones criticized for keeping our technologies in the past. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Taxware Mark, With all of the changes in Unidata (over the years) we have been able to due an awful lot with Shims. Obviously, it no longer resembles the original version. We interface to conveyor systems, built an EDI engine, web presence, Amazon integration, address correction software, external search engines, etc. It really works well for us. As a matter of fact, there is another local company, that I believe, is still using Shims as well. Unfortunately, every good thing comes to an end. We were acquired by an entity that does not use Unidata. Theoretically, over the next 6 months we will be assimilated to their AS/400 RPG 4 system. Oh, well. Vance Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/28/2006 11:07 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject Re: [U2] Taxware I'll bite. How big (or not big) is SHIMS now-a-days. I worked on it 20 years ago along with its step brother, RESULTS. Is it supported or detached like Results? Thanks Mark Johnson. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Taxware
Wellit's kinda funny since this system is a highly evolved ;-) Shims package.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:08 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Taxware I'll bite. How big (or not big) is SHIMS now-a-days. I worked on it 20 years ago along with its step brother, RESULTS. Is it supported or detached like Results? Thanks Mark Johnson. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Taxware I integrated Taxware into our business system (Shims - Unidata 6.0). We use the transactional approach for exemption certificates but have developed a c-wrapper (with the help of this list) for the realtime api for the tax calculations. We do not use the client side application for tax exemptions because it is far to limiting (have to download to a local pc and manually enter certificates). If you would like move information, please feel free to contact me offline. Vance [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/28/2006 04:03 PM Please respond to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc Subject [U2] Taxware ok Task at hand -- install the c version of Taxware on AIX 5.3 Unidata 6.x and interact on a transactional or batch basis. I saw Epicor listed as one of their partners --- so Anyone use Taxware (first data company)? Setup? How it interacts? Batch or transactional? Problems? Support raves/woes? -- Debster --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] Question about EQU
Wouldn't it then be that anything that is using compiled rather than interpretive is faster... i.e. Basic rather than dictionaries... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:06 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] Question about EQU David, I am interested in your opinions as to why, given that equates are compile time constructs, would have any impact at all on execution speed. Understand, I am not contesting your premise, but rather would simply like more explanation to understand your perspective. -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com ** Check out scheduled Connect! training courses at http://www.PrecisOnline.com/train.html. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] Question about EQU
Then h I got it right -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Dodds Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 7:17 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] Question about EQU The way I understand this thing is that when you use a simple variable (A= 16) what is stored in the object code is an offset value into the descriptor table where the value of A is stored. If you use an EQU A to 16 then what is stored in the object code is 16. When the program is executed the interpreter does not have to look the value of A up in the descriptor table because the value is right in the object code and thus the program executes faster. That's what I was taught, long, long ago. :-) Tom Dodds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 708-234-9608 Office 630-235-2975 Cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:06 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] Question about EQU David, I am interested in your opinions as to why, given that equates are compile time constructs, would have any impact at all on execution speed. Understand, I am not contesting your premise, but rather would simply like more explanation to understand your perspective. -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com ** Check out scheduled Connect! training courses at http://www.PrecisOnline.com/train.html. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers
You are being paranoid ;-) They want to be able to connect your license with the account. This way you can also access support calls etc... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eppel,Gary Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers The problem I have with giving my end users access is that I apparently have to provide them with my company's customer ID# - at least according to the emails I have been exchanging with IBM recently on the procedure for getting this done. IBM insists that the system is secure, and that end users won't be able to use that number for unhealthy ends, but I'm not confident at all about that. Maybe I'm just being paranoid. Or maybe I have completely misunderstood IBM's description of this whole thing. Can someone confirm or refute this? Gary Eppel Cerner Corporation -Original Message- If a VAR is going to make excuses and deny access, its time to review when the contract renewal date is Debra A. Fedchin ~~ H: 732.698.0499 C: 732.233.3088 www.infinite-systems.net Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and any included attachments are from Cerner Corporation and are intended only for the addressee. The information contained in this message is confidential and may constitute inside or non-public information under international, federal, or state securities laws. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or you may call Cerner's corporate offices in Kansas City, Missouri, U.S.A at (+1) (816)221-1024. --- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers
Well... I'll thank John N when he comes in tomorrow ;-) It's sad that IBM always seems to come in a day late and a dollar short on cutting edge items in the service arena I think they are still can't figure out why they fell behind in the PC market... I never had to deal with this on prior sites for some years due to the fact that most of the systems I was on were purchased direct -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Doug Miller Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers At 11:16 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote: I don't know how 'aggressive' strategy 7 needed to be in oder to secure access to the knowledge base.. I took one phone call to them after I was booted from IBM because S7 held the license, and I was on in no time flat I can speak to this as I was personally involved. We had to be somewhat 'aggressive' for Charles access as he was an early pioneer for having this access once IBM released it to be open for end users. There were alot of kinks on the IBM side initially because of complicated permissions with multiple user ids. We were more or less in a beta stage with Charles at that time and had to work through it. Now we have it down to a science and turn around time for access is a day or so from the time the request is in. (And yes now I see your post today saying the same thing but I already typed this up :-)) And no we are not threatened by empowering our customers. Our customers base realizes our value add. We provide 7X24 service at the same rate IBM would charge and have personalized service in which you always reach a real live person within a few rings. Pretty much old school ways of doing support. And another thing, I heard talks about combining user ids on IBM's website to a 1 universal web user id to simplify access. We as Vars are frustrated too as it is confusing of what user id is needed in the different sections of IBM's website. I have not heard anything lately on plans of releasing this anytime soon but hopefully it is still in the works. Doug Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager of Technical Services Strategy 7Dallas TX --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers
Wellthat might be believable with the excepton being that the majority portion of IBM hasn't a clue as to what U2 is... It's not just U2 sadly though, AS400 hasn't a clue about RS6000, and worse with RS6000 not fully understanding those items that can overlay it, ... It's a prime example of vertical (rather than horizontal) training at its worst.. ~ Debster Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of phil walker Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:57 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers Conspiracy Theory: Maybe IBM does not want a future MV environment, maybe they hope everyone will go to DB2...if so, then I hope it works. I think more likely they would go to Microsoft, where information is readily available. ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Monday, 13 November 2006 6:45 a.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers Exactly ! A good knowledge flow opens people's eyes and creates opportunities. And it's not just an end user issue. Without knowledge flow where will the next generation of vars come from? Who will bring new blood and investment? How will we encourage developers into our market ? How much more difficult are we making it to sell mv based solutions to end users by obscuring the full potential of what they are buying ? How many times have mv-invested companies resorted to other solutions because they didn't unow that their existing systems had the capabilities to deliver what they needed all along? It is in all our interests - users, vars, consultants - to raise and keep fresh the profile of this technology. That begins by making sure people out there can understand what it can achieve for them. I remember an speech years ago by a mv vendor proudly saying that 80% of his business was repeat business. He saw that as customer care. I saw it as lack of outreach. Who was right? Brian -Original Message- From: Ken Wallis[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/11/06 23:42:25 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.orgu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers Chuck Stevenson wrote: Interestingly, guys like me don't care, because vars like Strategy Seven are nice to us. It would be end users with curmudgeonly vars that would need a user group to make this end run. I still think someone who cares should submit a U2UG enhancement request and others should second it. Otherwise IBM only hears about you through the very var who is blocking you. And the odd thing is that it is VARs like S7 who make money from their generic skills in the database platforms rather than from working in specific vertical markets with their applications. You would have thought S7 were the sort of VAR who might consider themselves in danger of losing revenue by working to get this information out. Clearly, however, they must realise that access to information helps users understand what is possible and want to make use of the technology. Cheers, Ken --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] - defunct processes
Yeah...something is probably weird with the configuration connecting the network printers. I had the same type of situation at a site in Wilkes-Barre PA. What I did was change the cron kickoff of the day end procedure to shut everything down and then restart everything, including restarting the printers prior to processing. This would kick everyone off, and clear any print jobs that hung. This happens alot if you use form queues set up to handle specialized printing along with funky print drivers (flipping from raw, pcl and pdf) Another culprit could be that there are printers assigned that are no longer active or changed, so check what printers are listed when checking uv.restart. Be forewarnedI had it become so bad sucking up sessions that there were memory issues making it difficult to restart uv! Glad to hear you settled in. As for me, I'm doing a 90 day try and buy at a spot where I did a JDE install as a Project manager...now I'm cleaning up crappy data, and re-engineering such simple things as validating addresses! Maybe even bringing them into this decade by utilizing something other than odbc (bleh!) Could it be uniobjects? intercall? brush the C cobwebs from my brain? Hopefully I'll return to my former status before the holidays... Debster ~~ www.infinite-systems.net Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Rodgers Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:44 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] - defunct processes Hi Debbie Nice to hear from you. I got me a 'real' job down here in Tampa. Thanks for the pointers. Our sysadmin (as usual) does not know UniVerse so there's a lot of blind leading the blind going on. The cross-platform termination sounds plausible but the name of the parent process (bin/usd /usr/opt/uv/spool/uv) seems to indicate that it is something to do with print jobs. Our development box uses UV.NET to share some files with production. That is not an issue where the production box does not use UV.NET for the same files. I'm just not sure how to identify the source of these processes. It's one of those situations where nobody really knows what is causing the problem and so no-one (including me grin ) wants to take ownership. I'm just hoping I can find some sort of clue to help figure out where to start looking. Cheers JR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debster Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:06 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] - defunct processes Hey John!! I have found Bad disconnect on telnet sessions (especially those dreaded closing X ) Branching out to NFS shares AIX it was coupled with Samba (users file not properly maintained) Check emulator settings Issues with phantom processes Check cross-platform processing terminations Debra A. Fedchin ~~ H: 732.698.0499 C: 732.233.3088 www.infinite-systems.net Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Rodgers Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:37 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] - defunct processes UniVerse 9.6.1.6 on HP-UX We have a mystery on our development box which causes it to crash (about weekly). $ ps -ef Shows a lot (and I mean, A LOT) of lines like these: root 18105 20014 1 18:57:34 ? 0:00 defunct root 21633 20014 0 20:25:35 ? 0:00 defunct root 18553 20014 0 19:05:34 ? 0:00 defunct root 20014 1 0 Nov 6 ? 0:53 bin/usd /usr/opt/uv/spool/uv the 20014 seems to be the parent. This does not happen on our production platform which is curious because it should be a pretty close replication of our production environment. We think these are hangovers from print jobs initiated by the scheduler ? but that is as close as anyone has come to identifying the culprit. This seems to be a weekly phenomenon and we are investigating the scheduler contents. Does anyone have any ideas where these might come from ? Cheers JR --- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers
I don't know how 'aggressive' strategy 7 needed to be in oder to secure access to the knowledge base.. I took one phone call to them after I was booted from IBM because S7 held the license, and I was on in no time flat If a VAR is going to make excuses and deny access, its time to review when the contract renewal date is It's not the Knowledge Base that pisses me off -- it the hoops between Developer Works AND Knowledge Base. There should be a smooth flow between the two, 1 access to both or tiered based on rights. Also the fact that IBM can't get the website from losing your login, and forcing re-entry of login info is annoying. Forget it if you hold licenses for multiple systems -- that REALLY confuses them(especially if one was direct) Opening access reduces support calls, and I don't know any support staff that truly welcomes being inundated with calls when you can RTFM or review online references to get an answer. Except if the VAR wants to boost call response numbers by barring access, then it's a bogus water mark. Debra A. Fedchin ~~ H: 732.698.0499 C: 732.233.3088 www.infinite-systems.net Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stevenson, Charles Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 1:28 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers I don't see why anyone, IBM or var, needs to guard that door. Just open it up to the general public. I don't think there is anything --- or very little --- in that knowledgebase that needs to be so carefully guarded that only people with the secret handshake get to see it. Let anyone who wants to see it, see it. It's not as if IBM is going to be inundated by hits due to teenagers posting links on MySpace. Actually, there is one reason to keep people out: Knowledge is Power. Apparently some vars want to keep their users dependent on them. Bruce, you list some reasons vars might have. Apparently some of those are legitimate enough that they have persuaded IBM to keep the secrets. But if enough users who vehemently disagree and want access, IBM has to rethink who they want to please. A user group is precisely where that rabble should rouse. I often hear complaints that one can't find knowledgeable practitioners of U2. That is a reason to avoid or abandon the platform. Interestingly, guys like me don't care, because vars like Strategy Seven are nice to us. It would be end users with curmudgeonly vars that would need a user group to make this end run. I still thnk someone who cares should submit a U2UG enhancement request and others should second it. Otherwise IBM only hears about you through the very var who is blocking you. cds From: Bruce Nichol Stevenson, Charles wrote: First, my own var, Strategy Seven, was aggressive in getting me access to the knowledgebase. I think that says it all. Surely, it's up to each VAR to determine if any and/or all of their users should or should not have access to the knowledgebase, for whatever reason, be it revenue stream, be it implementation quirks, code, whatever Can IBM maintain a register of end-user within VAR to permit access? T'wouldn't be too difficult, Ida thought. This isn't really a function of a user group, is it? It's solely an individual user/VAR/IBM function, and I firmly believe the VAR has some rights to preclude access if the VAR deems it prudent. -- Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] - defunct processes
Hey John!! I have found Bad disconnect on telnet sessions (especially those dreaded closing X ) Branching out to NFS shares AIX it was coupled with Samba (users file not properly maintained) Check emulator settings Issues with phantom processes Check cross-platform processing terminations Debra A. Fedchin ~~ H: 732.698.0499 C: 732.233.3088 www.infinite-systems.net Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Rodgers Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:37 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] - defunct processes UniVerse 9.6.1.6 on HP-UX We have a mystery on our development box which causes it to crash (about weekly). $ ps -ef Shows a lot (and I mean, A LOT) of lines like these: root 18105 20014 1 18:57:34 ? 0:00 defunct root 21633 20014 0 20:25:35 ? 0:00 defunct root 18553 20014 0 19:05:34 ? 0:00 defunct root 20014 1 0 Nov 6 ? 0:53 bin/usd /usr/opt/uv/spool/uv the 20014 seems to be the parent. This does not happen on our production platform which is curious because it should be a pretty close replication of our production environment. We think these are hangovers from print jobs initiated by the scheduler ? but that is as close as anyone has come to identifying the culprit. This seems to be a weekly phenomenon and we are investigating the scheduler contents. Does anyone have any ideas where these might come from ? Cheers JR --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Trigger behavior
I know what you mean.. Even after contacting the VAR this was not resolved. Since it involves multiple systems I'm really wondering what the source of the issue is. Which side has the problem? Is it something related to a buffer size setting on either side? Is it a quirk with the combination of ODBC a trigger? Who else have used triggers effecting a DIR file? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of john reid Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:21 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Trigger behavior i'm trying to sucker (I mean ask politely) a couple of individuals into trying it here, just for curiousity sake. On 10/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no problem -- I'm just frustrated It's a chicken or the egg thing -- Debster -- Original message -- From: john reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry for the misunderstand about the hash file, and dir. j On 10/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trigger is not ON a directory it is on a hash file where the trigger is also supposed to update a DIR file. Triggers cannot be on a directory in Unidata, but you are supposed to be able to effect a DIR type Considering that the problem only exists when coming in from the outside I suspect it has to do with Tuxedo from the other side Permissions? (but all other rights are fine on all Unidata files) ODBC can it be a buffer setting or something else? This is the first DIR type that the outside has access to so.. It DOES work successfully provided the person is not coming in from the outside. Hence my questioning buffers, effects of ODBC connections -- Debster -- Original message -- From: john reid Do you have triggers on other directories? I get the following when attempting to create a trigger on a directory, in Universe: CREATE TRIGGER TESTJ AFTER INSERT OR UPDATE OR DELETE ON JMRBP FOR EACH ROW CALL ING '*MAIN.TRIGGER'; UniVerse/SQL: Invalid file type specified. Warning: SICA information could not be read properly!! On 10/10/06, Debster wrote: Here is the scenario Remote non-pick box runs an ODBC process coming through Tuxedo Unidata 6.0/IAIX 5.x is running on the Pick box A file that contains a trigger is updated -- the trigger updates not only hashed files but also attempts to update a DIR type file. The DIR file cannot be opened or read from the remote non-pick system, the Hash files have no problem. Return code is 1 The DIR file Can be opened, read and written to from the pick side There are three flat files contained in this directory What type of OPEN/READ should be performed? By using the ODBC process are the remote users relagated to hash files? (i.e. perform as PICK type) Is it just permissions? ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- john --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- john --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- john --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Trigger behavior
Here is the scenario Remote non-pick box runs an ODBC process coming through Tuxedo Unidata 6.0/IAIX 5.x is running on the Pick box A file that contains a trigger is updated -- the trigger updates not only hashed files but also attempts to update a DIR type file. The DIR file cannot be opened or read from the remote non-pick system, the Hash files have no problem. Return code is 1 The DIR file Can be opened, read and written to from the pick side There are three flat files contained in this directory What type of OPEN/READ should be performed? By using the ODBC process are the remote users relagated to hash files? (i.e. perform as PICK type) Is it just permissions? ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening
Well... ok...dumped in the sense that the project in ADP's hands was so mismanaged that was how it was viewed..albeit incorrectly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Baakkonen, Rodney A (Rod) 46K Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:29 AM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening I am not sure if I agree with the term 'dumped'. The former owners bought the company back and it flourished again in my opinion. But as former employee, you can take that for what it is worth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:38 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening I'm just wondering how many vendors have purchased M2k to resell it...Once upon a time ADP had purchased it, then dumped it -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:11 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening Is it In Like Flynn or In Like Flint? - Original Message - From: Allen E. Elwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: U2Users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; U2Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening Hi Eric Andy is just a friend that I sent this email on behalf of, and isn't actually a member of this group. By M2K he meant Manage-2000 which is now owned by Epicor. This product has been around since 1978, and at last count had something like 700 menus. Never bothered counting the number of programs but it's probably around 10 to 12 thousand programs/subroutines. http://www.epicor.com/www/products/manufacturing/manage2k/ And on the other subject of 'good programming skills' if anyone here has ever seen one of Andy's programs they would know what he meant. He almost redesigns the language with his custom functions, so if you don't have a good handle on Unidata you might be lost for a month or so. I imagine that if you had 5 to 7 years of Unidata programming you'd be in like Flynn. M2k has a huge number of Utilities but they are fairly easy to learn, so the familiarity with Unidata would be more important, imho... hth, Allen -Original Message- From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 09:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: [U2C] FW: Opening Andrew, What did you mean by M2K? Did you mean W2K? Eric Armstrong Programmer/Analyst Lobel Financial 714.816.1207 714.995.7012 fax -Original Message- From: Allen E. Elwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:01 AM To: U2Users; U2Community Subject: [U2C] FW: Opening -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrew McLaughlin Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 13:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ManageUG2K] Opening Howdy all, First of all, a quick note to let everyone know, I've decided to resign from Shurflo and get back in to full time Java development. Woohoo! :) My last day here is 8/11. Now, my position will be open and we're interested in interviewing a suitable replacement. Anyone with M2K experience and good programming skills is a candidate. The office is located in beautiful Cypress, CA (Orange County). If you or someone else you know is interested, please send resume or CV directly to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Andrew __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Business application software b.. Business application development c.. Business application d.. Epicor Yahoo! HotJobs Be Discovered! Employers find you Upload your resume New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on Yahoo! search. Y! Messenger Talk it up - free! Call your friends worldwide - free! . __,_._,___ u2-community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening
I'm just wondering how many vendors have purchased M2k to resell it...Once upon a time ADP had purchased it, then dumped it -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:11 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening Is it In Like Flynn or In Like Flint? - Original Message - From: Allen E. Elwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: U2Users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; U2Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening Hi Eric Andy is just a friend that I sent this email on behalf of, and isn't actually a member of this group. By M2K he meant Manage-2000 which is now owned by Epicor. This product has been around since 1978, and at last count had something like 700 menus. Never bothered counting the number of programs but it's probably around 10 to 12 thousand programs/subroutines. http://www.epicor.com/www/products/manufacturing/manage2k/ And on the other subject of 'good programming skills' if anyone here has ever seen one of Andy's programs they would know what he meant. He almost redesigns the language with his custom functions, so if you don't have a good handle on Unidata you might be lost for a month or so. I imagine that if you had 5 to 7 years of Unidata programming you'd be in like Flynn. M2k has a huge number of Utilities but they are fairly easy to learn, so the familiarity with Unidata would be more important, imho... hth, Allen -Original Message- From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 09:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: [U2C] FW: Opening Andrew, What did you mean by M2K? Did you mean W2K? Eric Armstrong Programmer/Analyst Lobel Financial 714.816.1207 714.995.7012 fax -Original Message- From: Allen E. Elwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:01 AM To: U2Users; U2Community Subject: [U2C] FW: Opening -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrew McLaughlin Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 13:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ManageUG2K] Opening Howdy all, First of all, a quick note to let everyone know, I've decided to resign from Shurflo and get back in to full time Java development. Woohoo! :) My last day here is 8/11. Now, my position will be open and we're interested in interviewing a suitable replacement. Anyone with M2K experience and good programming skills is a candidate. The office is located in beautiful Cypress, CA (Orange County). If you or someone else you know is interested, please send resume or CV directly to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Andrew __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Business application software b.. Business application development c.. Business application d.. Epicor Yahoo! HotJobs Be Discovered! Employers find you Upload your resume New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on Yahoo! search. Y! Messenger Talk it up - free! Call your friends worldwide - free! . __,_._,___ u2-community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] uvbackup
Anyone want to tell me why I would be getting this when backing up to a path rather than disk? End of reel 1 on device stdout detected! WARNING: Terminating this process will leave the backup flags associated with each record in an incomplete state. The only two methods for restoring the backup flag states are to fully restore the file OR complete a full backup using this process. ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?
maybe. older and wiser? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of will Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom? Real life information consists of multi-value attributes, as in the example given, one person has many hobbies. Our English language accommodates multi-values with a comma as a delimiter. Thus, my hobbies are volleyball, gardening, swimming, and radio-controlled aircraft. Note the commas. Was this harmful to anyone's brain. Did anyone misunderstand? If digital technology is to advance it must accommodate the real-word and reflect rather than obfuscate that reality... It seems that only Multi-Value database systems do that. So why are they considered Legacy database systems? Patrick J. Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. www.actLinux.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?
BTW.. I'm glad you didn't list your hobbies as Robbery,Rape,Murder and er...you would not have the and as you listed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of will Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom? Real life information consists of multi-value attributes, as in the example given, one person has many hobbies. Our English language accommodates multi-values with a comma as a delimiter. Thus, my hobbies are volleyball, gardening, swimming, and radio-controlled aircraft. Note the commas. Was this harmful to anyone's brain. Did anyone misunderstand? If digital technology is to advance it must accommodate the real-word and reflect rather than obfuscate that reality... It seems that only Multi-Value database systems do that. So why are they considered Legacy database systems? Patrick J. Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. www.actLinux.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?
...orwould the with items be thrown in as sub-values instead? swimming with sharks,radio controlled boating,glee following a huge dive from the spreader,humpback whales,dolphins in BVI, no clothes, embarrassment after not listening when someone yelled jibe-ho! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom? True, Swimming and radio controlled aircraft just seem like too different a hobby to do at the same time Now...Swimming and radio controlled Boatingdifferent story (using And in the Boolean sense) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom? BTW.. I'm glad you didn't list your hobbies as Robbery,Rape,Murder and er...you would not have the and as you listed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of will Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom? Real life information consists of multi-value attributes, as in the example given, one person has many hobbies. Our English language accommodates multi-values with a comma as a delimiter. Thus, my hobbies are volleyball, gardening, swimming, and radio-controlled aircraft. Note the commas. Was this harmful to anyone's brain. Did anyone misunderstand? If digital technology is to advance it must accommodate the real-word and reflect rather than obfuscate that reality... It seems that only Multi-Value database systems do that. So why are they considered Legacy database systems? Patrick J. Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. www.actLinux.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Fw: [UV] Problem starting the UniRPC Daemon
It's a mysteryI've seen it blown away myself... Do a shutdown/restart lately? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:59 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Fw: [UV] Problem starting the UniRPC Daemon Scrap what I just said. The unishared/unirpc/unirpcservices file didn't exist. All we had in the unishared/unirpc directory were two files: unirpcd version I have copied unirpcservices across from another server (with identical install pathnames) and have now successfully started the daemon. Apologies :- Not sure why the file wasn't created during the install though? Regards, Rob Wills (rob dot wills at tigerinfotech dot com) Rob Wills wrote on 30/06/2006 13:22:41: We have just installed UniVerse 10.1.18 on Solaris. When we tried to start the UniRPC daemon using the instructions from chapter 19 of the admin guide: Starting the UniRPC Daemon Complete the following steps to start the UniRPC daemon: 1. Choose Rpc administration from the Package menu, then choose Start the rpc daemon. 2. At the prompt, do one of the following to handle any error messages: .. Enter the name of the file to send all error and system messages to. .. Enter a space to display messages on your screen. .. Press ENTER if you do not want to display or save messages. 3. At the next prompt, click Yes to start the UniRPC daemon or No toreturn to the Rpc administration menu. Note: The file that receives all error and system messages can grow unchecked unless you monitor it periodically. Once you start the UniRPC daemon, it automatically restarts whenever you boot UniVerse. we get the following error message: Either the /.unishared file does not exist or is corrupt, or the unishared/unirpc/unirpcservices file does not exist, or the uvrpc entry in /etc/services does not exist. The RPC daemon is not being started. Unfortunately the /.unishared file does exist and has the path in it that I would expect, the unishared/unirpc/unirpcservices file exists and the uvrpc entry within /etc/services exists. Any ideas? I hope it's something simple but I couldn't find this error in the history that I have for the forum. Regards, Rob Wills (rob dot wills at tigerinfotech dot com) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Missing Voc Entries - How to
Ok This is what I am doing Moving data files from a UNIX box to the Windows box via a uvbackup uvrestore Backup file is created (will contain multiple files) and then FTP'd and restored on the Windows box (Don't go down the NFSshare path cuz I've been there and won't fly - talk about making things harder) On the windows side the uvrestore command is not located in the VOC although it is in Ibm\bin Du I know that an account voc is created when it is configured and entries are made depending on the flavor selected I know there is a way to copy in missing vocs or to create your own flavor kinda like blend-in ice cream ;-) I forgot how to do this (a senior moment) (Multi-level file based on flavor) I know there is a command that will list any verbs located in NEWACC that do not exist in the account...(senior moment number 2) Sohow do I get the stinkin' verb where I want it? OK so I'm blonde too... ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2][UV]How to start properly uv from cron ?
Memory issues... I think I remember... ;-) (when it happens at 3:00AM who can?) I had the same problem before...what finally straightened it out was... Bringing it down Going beyond and making sure other open processes were killed as well...(sometimes ya gotta use -9) especially in the case of dead telnet sessions that refuse to release (confused samba sessions a real putz) Double checking for Phantoms ; SPOOLER...(now that's a sweet one that drains) Bringing it up gracefully in cron If you want to see what might possibly be causing the issue list all active processes in between each step so you know what you are dealing with -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barry Rogen Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:32 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2][UV]How to start properly uv from cron ? If you mean a process then /u1/uv/bin/uv processname Footnote: A word for thought. We were running a substantial application process in UV, started by a cron. It was running quite nicely for the longest period. Then all of sudden, it would consistently bomb out with available memory issues. When run manually, it would not once fail. I contacted HP, who told me that cron carries with it a great deal of 'baggage' with it, and with all the processes that we run, it might be blowing out your memory. So, we switched it to our application based process manager and it never failed. Morale of the story, (at least for us), it seems should you hang too many application tasks from the cron, you may face issues. Barry Rogen PNY Technologies, Inc. Senior Programmer/Analyst (973) 515 - 9700 ext 5327 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.t. roosevelt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manu Fernandes Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:38 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2][UV]How to start properly uv from cron ? Hello, Is there someone with suggestions to do this ? Thanks for any comment. Manu --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Barcode PCL Commands
I definitely used soft fonts since it was totally impossible to purchase special font cartridges for all printers required -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:17 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Barcode PCL Commands Ray Buchner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 28 Jun 2006 12:03:42 -0400 Does anyone have, or can you direct me to, a PCL command reference to print barcodes? I need to print them on an HP laser. While normally one needs a special font cartridge for this, I posted an article (with code) on u2ug.org two years ago that allows you to create 3-of-9 barcodes using PCL line-draw commands. Here's a link: http://www.u2ug.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=9 You can also go to u2ug.org and search the site for barcode to find it. 3-of-9 barcodes handle only capital letters, digits, the six symbols $%+-/. and a blank. An asterisk is used for the start and end bars. The code got its name because three of the nine bars (five black, four white) are three times as wide as the others. Feel free to contact me directly if you want additional information. --Tom Pellitieri Toledo, Ohio --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Re-Comile I-Descriptors ?
COMPILE-DICT It doesn't hurt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 8:05 PM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] Re-Comile I-Descriptors ? Several (working) legacy paragraph scripts yield errors on our new UniVerse server. The errors resemble... Conversion MD1 is incompatible with an INTEGER datatype. Do I need to re-compile I-Descriptors ? The legacy UniVerse is v 8.3.3; the new UV is v10. Both machines are HP-Ux. Suggestions would be appreciated. -Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Unidebugger
I am trying utilize UniDebugger with Universe 10.1.xxx and am only getting the Splash Page. This product also seems to be pretty much devoid of documentation with the exception of Help which I cannot get to via the application itself. A lower level Wintegrate version is loaded on the same machine that I know it will not work in conjunction with, so the Dynamic Connect that was shipped with the add-on apps was loaded as well since apparently UniDebugger needs one of those apps to function. The readme simply instructs you to access the Setup once you are in the application. Sure thing...if only I could get there! Any suggestions? ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron
Hmmm...I just realized... Had the same type of issue with UV 9.6 on AIX 5.2 so we had a similar kill process, often telnet connections would not release especially if the user had shelled out to perform a process (most notably to go to SMIT), along with samba sessions...the spooler would also be stopped. Then uv.rc would be executed to restart universe, and the spooler restarted If the shutdown was performed out-of-sync it would at times result in a memory segment error and the shutdown and system up process would have to be executed over. (this was fun cross-eyed at 3AM) If you aren't doing so already, I would suggest capturing all cron errors to a log file you can easily review -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hona, David S Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron We've had similar issues and found that it isn't a UniVerse issue. It was processes using UniRPC connections (InterCall, UniObjects, UniCall/OBDC, etc.) still being active during the shutdown. These processes keep their socket connections open. This can prevent UniRPC from starting back up. The problem sounds like that you may have a process(es) using UniRPC when you shutdown UniVerse. If this is the case, under Sun Solaris and UV 9.1.4 we would see processes still using UniRPC go into FIN_WAIT_2 state for their still open TCP socket connection. If that was the case, we could guarantee that the UVRPC daemon (has it was called before UV 9.5.x) wouldn't start back up. Once those TCP connections cleared (went away), it was okay to start back up...sometimes it took awhile to clear though. Check what connections you have active, by issusing a: $ netstat -a | grep uvrpc *.uvrpc *.*0 0 49152 0 LISTEN If nothing is connected, you're safe to shutdown (like the above example). If you got processed connect - it may be bad. Strangely, under UV 10.1.12 and Solaris 9, we can now happily stop UV and start it up again...UniRPC *seems* to come backup -- even if processes are connected with open sockets. Could be wrong or just plain lucky, of course. We deal with this situation by adding to the uv.rc script, our own uv_kill_processes script which looks for UV processes and the shared memory segments. It loops until all are UV processes are killed (up to 4 attempts). This also deals with the UV shutdown process aborting if shared memory segments aren't released. Hopefully, this should help you out in some way. Regards, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jacques G. Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 6:02 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron Hello, We have a cron job which does the following: 1- Uses Universe's uv.rc script to stop Universe and unirpc daemon 2- Make a backup of the Production account into a different filesystem on the production machine. 3- Restart Universe unirps using the uv.rc script 4- Start the backup to tape of the copy of the production environment. When Universe is re-started along with the unirpc daemon within the cron job, Universe works but the unirpc daemon doesn't work correctly. It must be stopped manually from the uv menu and re-started. Has anyone here encountered a similar problem ? I've tried to get support help from IBM but I get the run-around. I'm told that IBM won't debug my companies script even though I've repeatedly told them that the script we are using the uv.rc script that was written by IBM. We are running Universe 10.1.8 on a HP.UX 11i machine. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron
Now... Wouldn't the uv.rc default to the setting within UV.CONFIG? I don't recall having to reset it -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jacques G. Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:17 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron As above, LANG=C (or similar) must be set for rpcd to work correctly. other uv services work fine with LANG set to anything, rpc needs it tho ... How can I check for the setting of LANG both on my current Universe setup and what its value is within the cron job ? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron
I was doing a similar routine 1. Check the documentaton for any missing files 2. Doublecheck uv.rc to make sure nothing is commented out 3. In uv.admin doublecheck the entries in the host file 4. Check if you are using the -stop option -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jacques G. Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:02 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron Hello, We have a cron job which does the following: 1- Uses Universe's uv.rc script to stop Universe and unirpc daemon 2- Make a backup of the Production account into a different filesystem on the production machine. 3- Restart Universe unirps using the uv.rc script 4- Start the backup to tape of the copy of the production environment. When Universe is re-started along with the unirpc daemon within the cron job, Universe works but the unirpc daemon doesn't work correctly. It must be stopped manually from the uv menu and re-started. Has anyone here encountered a similar problem ? I've tried to get support help from IBM but I get the run-around. I'm told that IBM won't debug my companies script even though I've repeatedly told them that the script we are using the uv.rc script that was written by IBM. We are running Universe 10.1.8 on a HP.UX 11i machine. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] FAST Running while system in use
And I should clarify that the biggest part of my nightmare was having someone do a RESIZE CONCURRENT on one of the largest major most utilized files during business hours... uhhh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitchell, Stewart Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:04 AM To: 'Debster'; 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] FAST Running while system in use Hi Debster, Thanks for your suggestions. We are very happy with FAST and given we have well over twenty thousand files to maintain over 9 servers, FAST is definitely the way to go. Sure I could write my own but I am not in the tools business and FAST does an excellent job. The files were not being resized at the time and the point about gathering stats on files that being updated is valid. However, we resize all files on a six weekly cycle and the small change that is made during the stats collection period would not be significant. But if the file is being locked during stats collection that would be a major issue and would have resulted in the failure experience. Again many thanks for your input, Stewart -Original Message- From: Debster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 13:12 To: Mitchell, Stewart Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] FAST Running while system in use A resize function will lock a file And why collect stats when a file is active? I had looked at FAST but given the recent nightmare I have just lived through I am not so sure I would want to just allow an application to run and act on the results. Besides it's really easy enough to write a program to select a rotating set of files you like to monitor, have it run HASH-HELP and capture the data to a file. This allows you the ability to inspect the results. On more than one occasion lately I have run across HASH-HELP results returning an incorrect file type. (I also think I was a victim of Mark's Berkley Bug...except the sep was 8 not 4) Another option is to run a complete set of file stats weekly selecting your top files in need of resizing from the results within STAT-FILE and performing the calculation yourself within a program How many others remember having to hand calculate these with a set of file stats in front of you? Seems to be of the same era as remembering the sequence of keys to hit to open an unresponsive tape drive on a mentor system Or using the trick of blowing the tape leader into place when using the 12 inch tapes...rut-roh that sounded kinda kinky! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitchell, Stewart Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:25 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] FAST Running while system in use Hi All, We currently use FAST for the resizing of files and part of the process is collecting file stats for the purpose of calculating new file sizes, separation etc. I was wondering if running the stats collection process can be run whilst the system is being used (files being updated etc) without causing any issues? I had a strange issue today when one of our program files could not be opened and this caused a background process (phantom) to crash. On inspection I could open the file there were no permission problems. I restarted the phantom all worked just fine. However, I noticed that our Database Admins where running one of the FAST processes and thus my question above. All replies gratefully accepted. Kind Regards, Stewart Mitchell Manager, Business Systems Symbion Pharmacy IT Phone: 08 8408 3685 Mobile: 0421 612 672 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those that understand binary and those that don't. Various ** This email and any attachments are confidential. They may contain legally privileged information or copyright material. You should not read, copy, use or disclose them without authorisation. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact us at once by return email and then delete the original message and all copies. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. ** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ** This email and any attachments are confidential. They may contain legally privileged information or copyright material. You should not read, copy, use or disclose them without authorisation. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact us at once by return email and then delete the original message and all copies. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay
[U2] uvbackup vs cpio
This is on AIX 5.2 Universe 10.1 I am trying to change our current backup from a straight unix i-node backup to uvbackup Currently there is also a 4x compression rate on the cpio style backup The reason for the change is that they have unsuccessful in restoring items and I would prefer the added perk with the uvbackup of receiving reporting on file errors. I had been testing the tape backup thru the GUI uvadmin and other than backing up items within a file all tests have been unsuccessful. Even several attempts at saving to tape that appeared successful failed since I was unable to restore the items. I received an error stating that it was unable to read the tape immediately after the rewind at placement at load point... I was also wondering if the option was still available to perform a save and utilize the file stats to resize the file via the restore based on what was gathered. The goal is to perform a full backup, but I would have the crontab kick off different saves based on the day of the week utilizing a different passed file list to trim down those items saved during the course of the work week and only saving the misc files on the weekend. This eliminates the need to load multiple incremental tapes in case of the need for a restore since the system is physically located at a data operations center no where near the corp location. Cracking open the documentation I have tried multiple variations on a Unix command line save to no avail. I have even gotten it to start, but somewhere it falters and stalls.Could it be the tape drive and its setup? In performing the tape test I receive no error. I can't even list all the variations that I have tried to make this work -- but they were directly from the documentation and in the order they were listed. Socan anyone tell me the definitive unix command line for a uvbackup utilizing a file list? ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] What to do with a HUGE file
Even using 64 bit...when would you make a hashed file something other... and what? Also any 'real' effect of commonly used files on another volume vs only placing relatively stagnant files on another volume... ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Universe: Version and serial number
.and since Universe AIX are completely different animals as far as license/serial number For the AIX portion I found License/serial in SMIT CONFIG.ALL .L RELLEVEL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hennessey, Mark F. Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Universe: Version and serial number snip How do I get version and serial number from a UniVerse AIX installation? I am drawing a blank here. /snip At the TCL prompt, enter CONFIG... that will give you the serial number. Then do a .L RELLEVEL at the TCL. This will give you version/release number as well as flavor information. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] UFD
Sosomeone have an idea of how some files contained on the account have eluded entry into this file? If an account save is performed would those files be excluded from the save? This is on Universe 9.6.2.1 Unix 5.2 I have a massive files move upcoming and was considering utilizing an account save prior as a safeguard but I want to be assured that I capture all account files. Currently the daily file saves are purely unix driven and there have been some issues with not being able to restore data (don't ask me I wasn't there yet!) I also remember being able to run a full set of Account File Stats and utilzing the Account Save/Restore to resize the files if I found more than 70% of the files hitting GRP100. Is this still an option? I think the last time I did this was on Microdata/Mentor boxes running ye old PICK at ADP or Ultimate umpteen years ago. Gotta Love Clean up ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Access IBM Knowledge base/Blink Error
Yeah but yesterday I was seeking information on an Blink error with the ominous internal data error clause added in both the U2 and AIX areas and was unable to find anything. Anyone have a clue as to what this might be? ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:53 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Access IBM Knowledge base I have a case in point at the moment - trying to access an article to remind myself on how to use fnuxi on ALL files in a directory the information is there, but ... (reminders gratefully accepted :) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vance, Kathy Sent: Thursday, 23 February 2006 8:23 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Access IBM Knowledge base All, I remember we had a discussion on the accessibility to the IBM knowledge base several weeks ago. Yesterday, I received my IBM user ID from our vendor (tech support), which allows me to view the locked articles in IBM KB. I believe this user list has very positive impact on this move made by IBM. IBM KB should be opened to everybody, I think. I would like to thank the people for their hard working in order to maintain this user mail list. The list is a wonderful place for us to share our knowledge. Meanwhile, it provides a communication channel so that IBM could hear our voices. I have learnt a lot from the others via the list. Kathy --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Universe GUI Editor
Interesting weekend with the Universe GUI Editor.. Saddled with the task of doing off hours work this past weekend I had the pleasure of having the Universe GUI Editor ftp'ing a null record overwriting my changes to the server. Of course this was in combination with my VPN connection puking at the time.I'm not sure which was the chicken, or the egg I only know that one was rotten. Of course I had skipped my usual practice of saving changes to my laptop hard drive first before moving it only to have to make the changes over...my only excuse is that tweaking a program at 3AM sometimes leads to you trying shortcuts. I won't do that again. ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Universe GUI Editor
I use the the FTP so my widdle brain can distinguish that I am going to the server as opposed to using windows networking -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of D Averch Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:19 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Universe GUI Editor Try our Free U2Editor GUI Editor which does not use ftp protocol. Doug www.u2logic.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debster Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:54 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Universe GUI Editor Interesting weekend with the Universe GUI Editor.. Saddled with the task of doing off hours work this past weekend I had the pleasure of having the Universe GUI Editor ftp'ing a null record overwriting my changes to the server. Of course this was in combination with my VPN connection puking at the time.I'm not sure which was the chicken, or the egg I only know that one was rotten. Of course I had skipped my usual practice of saving changes to my laptop hard drive first before moving it only to have to make the changes over...my only excuse is that tweaking a program at 3AM sometimes leads to you trying shortcuts. I won't do that again. ~ Debbie Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm -Syrus Publilius www.infinite-systems.net --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] File Resizing File Usage
I am in the process of massive file maintenance on a Unix box. (5.2) Many of the files are so far out of wack and HUGE on a CUBS system where I performed ACCOUNT-FILE-STATS LOCAL on both sides of the house. I also wanted to check FILE.USAGE on several files but keep getting no data returned regarding the files. Just where the heck is this data stored? Is it derived from the STAT.FILE? Within the documentation it clearly states that you require permissions to the file with no indication as to what file it refers to or where it is held. I have tried this logged on at both the user level as well as uvadm. HASH-HELP-DETAIL has puked twice with segmentation errors on one particular file. Just what is the top limit file size for Universe (9.6) and what would be the best practice to handle resizing these few monsters? I had thought divide and concur would be the best method but I was hoping for some data direction in order to facilitate this. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] How can I find the RIGHT IBM Contact?????
Whatever I have found out about the boxes I have on my own with the help of SMIT CONFIG.ALL. I have still not received a return call from the rep who I contacted for a follow-up...its not surprise since she was clueless as to where to turn even after telling her to investigate it with those within U2. My only complaint has been the inability to get a concise answer from IBM even when given one of the boxes serial numbers. There is no cross reference as to the other boxes a customer may have or what licenses they hold and the status of those licenses yet they don't seem to have a problem when it comes time to send the invoices for maintenance contracts. You would think that keeping all information pertaining to a customer would benefit marketing and sales when it is put together in a nice neat package. It has always been frustrating when trying to deal with IBM before and apparently still long after their U2 purchase to get someone knowledgeable about Total customer service. This is a prime example of vertical training gone awry when more horizontal training would be benefical to both the customer and those servicing them. I'm still just wondering...in the case of a real issue...do I need to sit dead in the water because IBM does not know what area of expertise it would fall under? Is that really customer service? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marilyn Hilb Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:00 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] How can I find the RIGHT IBM Contact? For us, we don't work directly with IBM.. It is all done through a VAR, (the company the system was originally purchased from,, or the company that bought that company etc). You may need to find out who your VAR is. For us, they are the ones that actually hold the UV license. We aren't authorized to talk to IBM directly on UV. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:19 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[U2] How can I find the RIGHT IBM Contact? Ok I'm really pretty much fed up... I placed a call to IBM 3 WEEKS ago after inheriting a pile of papers shoved into a folder loosely describing the existing systems. I KNOW one needs an upgrade, for both AIX Universe BUT...are they licensed for it? Is the media floating around the building? What upgrades are they eligible for? I KNOW maintenance was recently paid in Oct on at least one of the boxes... What was the infinite wisdom of NOT TYING all customer related items together??? (1 cust # for the hardware + 1 cust # for AIX + 1 cust # for Universe) x 2 = A Mess that requires more than 2 brain cells rubbed together to figure out. NOT ONE PERSON I CONTACTED CAN GIVE ME A CONCISE ANSWER!! Or even a smidgen of a clue as to where to turn...a close friend who just retired told me to call in a crash. I called support twice, first I was routed to a clueless sales rep who never returned a call...next support routed me to a sales rep whom I needed to call back who got an AIX person on the phone who --- believe meit was said... U2? To which I was forced to reply... In all the 20 years I have in this field I have observed time and time again that neither hardware sales, or underlying OS has a clue concerning the entire package. Its bad enough that rs/6000 people bicker with the As400 people and are clueless about what the other does. Its only the U2 people who have a clue about how the entire package goes together, the trickle down effect.. My only frustration is WHOM to contact within that realm... Grrr -- Debster --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [Norton AntiSpam] [U2] RPC.CALL : error code 81002
Anyone have an answer to this one? Is it the port # set up the same on the receiving box? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ang Suan Yong Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 4:33 AM To: U2-Users New Lists Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [U2] RPC.CALL : error code 81002 Dear All Ive testing to run a program in remote server using RPC.CALL. From the remote server ,i able to notice connection is on during RPC.CONNECT but once execute the RPC.CALL, the connection is break down, return error code error 81002 ( connection.ID does not correspond to a valid bound ) I still have no idea what causing this error as previously i able successful testing the connection. Juz suspect is it possible of firewall ? Ive try on unix to unix (same UniVerse version) , unix to nt (different UniVerse Version) but still could not rectify where goes wrong Has anyone ever face this kind of error ? Thanks and Regards Grep Result from Remote Server : Mon Jan 9 17:15:53 EST 2006 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:53 EST 2006 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:53 EST 2006 -RPC.CONNECT Mon Jan 9 17:15:53 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 8 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:53 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 15 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:54 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:54 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:54 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:54 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:54 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:54 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:54 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:54 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:54 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:54 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:55 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:55 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:55 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:55 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:55 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:55 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:55 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 4 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:55 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 6 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:55 EST 2006 root 22942 4286 7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0 --RPC.CALL--- Mon Jan 9 17:15:56 EST 2006 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:56 EST 2006 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:56 EST 2006 - Mon Jan 9 17:15:56 EST 2006 - --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Fast file transfers
Question is, What is the underlying platform? Unix? Linux? If Unixwhy not a straight copy script? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 8:45 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Fast file transfers Greetings, Anyone come up with a really clever way to move a great deal of data from one machine to another (completely different Multivalue Platforms; jbase - Universe) all within the space of a weekend? We've tried some of the telnet programs that have multivalue specific file transfers ... take too long. Writing something on our own now -- but thought I'd check to see if one of you other smart guys or gals have solved this problem. Cheers and TIA, Susan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Fast file transfers
Universe also has bulk data move -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 8:45 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Fast file transfers Greetings, Anyone come up with a really clever way to move a great deal of data from one machine to another (completely different Multivalue Platforms; jbase - Universe) all within the space of a weekend? We've tried some of the telnet programs that have multivalue specific file transfers ... take too long. Writing something on our own now -- but thought I'd check to see if one of you other smart guys or gals have solved this problem. Cheers and TIA, Susan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Debugger in SB+
and correct me if I am wrong Kevin, oh Grand Poobah of SB+ secrets... I always used the trace function in order to determine the process flow and if needed coupled with imbedding display functions (with if user.id = ) if needed to determine the exact value of a variable. I know you can also use logging but I never had the need. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 9:35 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Debugger in SB+ Absolutely. Check out my Debugging Tips and Tricks for the SB+ Developer online class on December 15th. http://www.PrecisOnline.com/train.html. And my apologies for the advertisement. -Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjorn Behr Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 5:44 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Debugger in SB+ Does anybody know how to debug Processes in SB+ Thanks in advance Bjorn Behr Super Group --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/165 - Release Date: 11/9/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Fwd: [UV] Neiman Marcus posting for Sr. Technologist, UniVerse DBA
Geee Whatever happened to Neiman Marcus running this out of New York? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Clifton Oliver Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:47 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Fwd: [UV] Neiman Marcus posting for Sr. Technologist, UniVerse DBA Posted on behalf of a non list member. Begin forwarded message: - This position will be a member of a small team of DBA's that assist with providing effective development and production level database technical support, and the strategic UniVerse database direction for NM Direct, BGMS and EDW. In addition, this individual is expected to facilitate and deliver enhancements to database maintenance and monitoring, proactively identify and eliminate causes of potential production disruptions, and successfully complete Disaster Recovery and Cold Fail-Over activities. Candidates interested in this position should possess the following: Minimum 5 years of UniVerse Database Administration Minimum 7 years of experience in IT/IS Environment Expertise in UniVerse 9x or 10x Database performance tuning, monitoring, troubleshooting and problem resolution Experienced in Development and Production of UVBasic applications Expertise in creating and upgrading UniVerse databases Familiarity with vi and shell scripting In Depth knowledge of UniVerse databases backup and recovery Experience in other Database (Oracle, MS-SQL Server, Informix, Teradata, or Netezza) is a plus Experience in IBM AIX Environment Self motivated and multi-tasking individual that works well in a small team environment Available to cover responsibilities of a rotating 24 x 7 on-call shift Available to work nights and weekends on short notice, as needs require Strong organizational and planning skills, attention to detail, and follow-through Strong analytical and problem solving skills Strong interpersonal, communication, and customer service skills with a positive attitude Excellent written and verbal skills and the ability to communicate with business users Ability to rapidly adapt to changing needs in a highly dynamic environments Bachelor of Science in Computer Science or related field or comparable business/technical experience If you have an interest in this position, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your resume. Location is Las Colinas/Irving/Dallas, Texas. We do not cover any relocation costs. - FYI, this post is for a non-member, Melinda Fleming of Neiman Marcus, and she is responsible for the content. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Just checking!
HEY!!! Why did ya wake me up -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:42 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Just checking! THAT'S why it's been so quiet! Everybody's out of town smirk BobW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Volosov (3) Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Just checking! Hi, I will be out of the office on 10/18/05 and 10/19/05. I will return to the office on 10/20/05. I will no have access to e-mail or voice mail during this time. If a you need an immediate response to your e-mail please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks and have a great day! Josh --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints
I have usually used a BASIC SELECT within a routine that is grabbing a very large file during something akin to a overnight/day-end routine where end-users are not likely to be on the system, or the file is simply utilized to retain daily processing keys to overnight updating (i.e. a temp file to retain invoice keys), or off a list that was created within another process, especially when the same keys are for multi files (i.e history, active files). This is especially useful when if you were to attempt to select a large file that may cause you to wait until next shrove tuesday to be able to process ityech...index it, or something! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Marcos Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 8:26 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints I must agree that a BASIC SELECT is quicker but... Don't you run the risk of missing groups (in the read function) in this type of select? If users are updating this file they could insert data into a group which you may already passed. You would only use this type of select when no one is updating this file. Regards, Jeff Marcos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2005 10:26 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints I can't see how a BASIC SELECT can be slower than EXECUTE SELECT. It doesn't have to go through to get 'xxx items selected' before it processes the first one. I also don't believe the mechanical difference once it begins, ie 'find the next group' etc. Wouldn't you think that this at least spares the actual hashing as it is navigating through the file sequentially. I would really like to see a great proof program against BASIC SELECT. I often replace EXECUTE SELECT with a BASIC SELECT over the years *because* it has always ran faster, regardless of platform. I've had many opportunities to be proven wrong. I've tested every replacement and have always reported an improvement. Thanks. MarkJohnson - Original Message - From: Allen E. Elwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints This is the way it was explained to me way back in '88. The internal select is slower on the whole file, but immediate in response. It works the same as LIST. If I list a file with 2,000,000 records I get immediate response. If I want to process an entire file, then external select is slower on response, i.e. I have to wait for 2 million records to be selected before processing begins, but is quicker in processing all records. The internal is slower due to the system having to stop what it's doing, find the next group, break out the individual ID's from that group, and then return it to the program - over and over again as it makes it's way through the file. hth! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stevenson, Charles Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 14:24 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: Louis Windsor Subject: RE: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints This is a bit disconcerting. BASIC SELECT should be faster than EXECUTE SELECT... Maybe the smart people can weigh in on this: From: Louis Windsor A few years ago we used the BASIC SELECT FILE as opposed to the EXECUTE SELECT FILE. We updated UniVerse (don't ask from what version to what version as I don't remember) and overnight ALL our programs ran five or six times longer. Completely contrary to my experience and counter-intuitive, too. We were told (by VMark) that the BASIC SELECT now selected each group but it could be optioned to work the old way. Hmmm, do I vaguely, hazily remember something about that? Maybe on this list? Maybe in release notes? No uvconfig option jumps out at me. I don't think flavor would matter, or $OPTIONS [-]VAR.SELECT. $OPTIONS FSELECT would slow the BASIC SELECT down to approximately the same as EXECUTE SELECT..., but not make it slower. Louis, do you, perchance, use $OPTIONS FSELECT? Maybe buried in a $include file common to every program? I wrote a conversion program to change ALL BASIC SELECTs to executed SELECTs in the source and recompiled and that is the way we have done it ever since. I don't know if things are different now but we have grown to prefer EXECUTEd selects as selection criteria can be included. Louis, can you run a simple benchmark and see if this is still true? Or show us an example of your own? INTERNAL: OPEN [really big file] TO F ELSE STOP CRT 'I1', TIMEDATE(), SYSTEM(9) SELECT F CRT 'I2', TIMEDATE(),
RE: [U2] Senior Pick Programming Position - Centennial, CO
Something most programmers hate to write -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gordon J Glorfield Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:24 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Senior Pick Programming Position - Centennial, CO And what is high-level integrated documentation? Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/07/2005 02:44:34 PM: What is a Universe flow diagram? -Original Message- From: Bill Lockwood [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:39 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Senior Pick Programming Position - Centennial, CO snippet Experience with documentation of UniVerse flow diagrams, UniVerse paragraphs, and high-level integrated documentation of system processes. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
or is itthat you might know of any possible bugs that exist if they hadn't loaded the last release ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marilyn Hilb Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:51 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site Not too much of a geek.. Me.. I want to know what application he was running! To see if it is one that I am familiar with! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:27 AM To: u2-Users Subject:[OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site Hi All, The other day I walked into a store to pick up a new dryer because my other dryer (1 year old) had caught fire. Note to self: Make sure you clean out your dryer ducts on a routine basis. Anyway, one of the sales reps starts to log into their system when I notice an AIX message pass by. I look a little closer and what do I see but a dynamic connect session going. I ask the guy to page up and find that the application that he is logging into is Unidata. The name of the store is Grants appliances based out of Joliet, IL. My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in action? Thanks, Scott Way Too Easily Fascinated Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
;-) I had to laugh when I walked into my camera store only to see an extremely old Ultimate terminal. That green screen popped out at me. Apparently someone had installed a simple POS system for him years ago and he had been performing the maintenance after self teaching himself PICK. Same thing, another place when I went to a contractors plumbing supply housepop...there it goes again. I even tried to crack into my towns library system when I realized it was PICK The local county college uses Datatel Its the ghost in the machine... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 12:27 PM To: u2-Users Subject: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site Hi All, The other day I walked into a store to pick up a new dryer because my other dryer (1 year old) had caught fire. Note to self: Make sure you clean out your dryer ducts on a routine basis. Anyway, one of the sales reps starts to log into their system when I notice an AIX message pass by. I look a little closer and what do I see but a dynamic connect session going. I ask the guy to page up and find that the application that he is logging into is Unidata. The name of the store is Grants appliances based out of Joliet, IL. My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in action? Thanks, Scott Way Too Easily Fascinated Thompson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site
I don't know if this tops that BUT I was trolling vendors for a replacement package for a MFG/Dist client. When the Progress vendor came in to do the demo -- low and behold they had basically stolen an old ADP MFG package and there on the screen was my revamped modules ported over to Progress...all the prompts intact yet placed in popups Needless to say I quickly booted them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bruce Nichol Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:02 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site Goo'day, At 20:09 05/10/05 -0400, you wrote: ;-) I had to laugh when I walked into my camera store only to see an extremely old Ultimate terminal. That green screen popped out at me. Apparently someone had installed a simple POS system for him years ago and he had been performing the maintenance after self teaching himself PICK. Mate, it's a MUCH BIGGER shock when you walk into a business and find modules of YOUR OWN software running quite happily and you know nothing about the installation, the company, the owner, nothing. My friend uses it and he got it running for me, too. But, I'd like the company name changed Can you do that? Only happened once -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 05/10/05 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia http://www.taloncs.com.au Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 05/10/05 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] PICK 101
the bigger question is why, when there are so many PICK people scrambling for spots especially in the Northeast was a non-PICK person hired? Especially when many Pickies are multi-lingual...and multi-host -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Derwin Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:30 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] PICK 101 Matt Stern at Comprehensive Computer Services does Pick training. He's on Long Island. Comprehensive Computer Services Inc 560 Broadhollow Road Melville, NY 11747 631-755-2250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/04/05 11:50 AM Hey all, We've got a new employee at my company with no PICK experience at all .. Does anyone know of anywhere local to get a PICK 101 course in the NYC area? Thanks .. -Chuck --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] OT: London
And now I would only hope there is a lurker from Sprezzatura who would check in...so I would know all was well.. I hate this crap... It's a completely senseless act akin to the truly chicken shit bully who hides behind a tree to chuck a rock at your head -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CA Software Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:16 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] OT: London As another Brit, I would also like to thank everyone who has voiced their support and good wishes after the events of the past 24 hours. Matti has a very cynical point of view which I doubt will be common to the vast majority of Brits. I have not been affected in any way by the events of yesterday, other than to watch (from a safe distance - Birmingham UK) the tragedy unfold during yesterday and its aftermath. I agree that the London bombings are not on the same scale as the horrific events of 9/11 - which I again watched from afar (although I have been to Ground Zero and seen what a monument that is to those events and people) but... Matti, this has not only affected those 38 (and rising) who have tragically lost their lives and their families and friends. There are also the hundreds who have been physically affected in the tragedy, losing limbs, eyes, hearing, burned and scarred. There are those who, by great fortune, walked away from the bombings almost unscathed - apart from almost certainly having nightmares, panic attacks and paranoia for the rest of their lives. There are the thousands who will have to live with the aftermath of these events - family and friends of the people who are physically or mentally scarred. Those who attended the scenes from the emergency services who will also be affected by what they saw and experienced whilst they attended the injured, dying and already dead at the scene and in the surrounding hospitals. Finally, there are those who were in the vicinity of the blasts or watching on television or simply heard of the events who will now be so affected that they will be unable to travel because of the fear that this might happen again (and probably will). Some of these affects will only last days, weeks or months whilst others are for life - and that's not only those affected by deaths of loved ones. Again, thank you all for your thoughts and sympathies for the Brits affected by the bombings of yesterday. As for ID cards, that's another story or argument that will run-and-run until we have them and wondered what all the fuss was about. Regards, Neil. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matti Lamprhey Sent: 07 July 2005 23:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] OT: London This lurking Brit would like to respond on behalf of other Brits and to thank you all for your good wishes. I know this is going to be described as England's 9/11, but it doesn't really feel like that. Rightly or wrongly, it's not going to change the way we view the rest of the world or ourselves; there will be some attempts to insist that we introduce more authoritarian measures like ID cards, until it becomes clear that they wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. For 38 or more families it's a profound tragedy, but for other Londoners it's a passing shock and a topic for pub conversations over the coming weeks. But nevertheless your thoughts are very much appreciated. Matti -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Glen B Sent: 07 July 2005 22:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] OT: London Same sentiments here. I hope that all is well. I know some of the subscribers on this list are from the UK. I want you to know that our thoughts and prayers are with you today. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 06/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 06/07/2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Parsippany
Then I would suspect that the local based U2 Headhunters would have the best clues to that Joe Chelston, Matt Hart et al -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:25 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Parsippany Wow, wouldn't we all love to get a list like that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Varney Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:41 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Parsippany I'm just interested to know who uses multi-value in the north-eastern US -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roger Glenfield Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:06 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Parsippany The epicor job listing? -Rog John Varney wrote: So would I There seems to be a [water?] company in Parsippany NJ using U2. I would like to know who they are. --Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Financial Fraud
And gee... Would it have been financial fraud when as a QA manager at a retail banking operation I discovered a bug where if you performed a transaction i.e. withdrawal, and then did not respond in the required time it timed out the transaction even though it had already spit out your money yet never posted it against your account? Or report the double deposit that Chase just made to my account when they obviously thought the ATM didn't record it and also processed it as a teller transaction? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:05 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Financial Fraud Jeff, That one is easy. Requests for mods to the software must be documented and their justification is part of the request. Every SOX auditor I've come across has made this mandate. So in IT we have a methodology where we are responding to written requests that have been through authorization channels before coming to us. So -- without (necessarily) understanding the accounting or legal implications of the task at hand, you can verify that the request came through proper channels. Everyone has their job definition -- you don't have to have knowledge or expertise or fear outside of your realm of responsibility. BUT BOY-GOLLY make sure you are taking your own steps. If it turns out you did something that you can't point to the audit of the request and justification for WHY you did it -- well, then you may need your lawyer. Help put good procedures in place -- in the first place -- that make sense and then don't let people bypass the rules (emergencies are part of the rules, not an exception to them -- have established emergency-justification-criteria and then established emergency procedures!) whoosh-clap sound of collapsible soapbox folding up Susan Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:08:46 -0500 From: Lettau, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor What if I make a change to the code in the system according to what the CFO wants and then I get implicated as being an accomplice to fraud. Can I pull my college credits where I failed accounting as being my defense? Is it getting to the point where every change to the system requires a call to a lawyer to check to see if it is ok? Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [OT] Financial fraud (was the thread: Epicor)
Hey I think there is some continuity in the fact that Ted Saberese went from Ultimate to making those electronic prison bracelets. Ya think Martha is Sporting one of Ted's? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:26 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [OT] Financial fraud (was the thread: Epicor) Hi Susan, I see we are on the same page on this one! :-) Hey, I hope you're wearing green. It's Saint Patrick's day!!! http://www.st-patricks-day.com/index.asp Allen (wearing his lucky green pants) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 04:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [OT] Financial fraud (was the thread: Epicor) Allen, This is a fantastic story. I am warning IT folks about just such a scenario ALL THE TIME. I've found that in these SOX audits the IT folk seem to think along two (deadly) lines. First, they tend to be just tell me what you want / give me a list (e.g. don't make me think) and secondly yeah, yeah, we'll make sure you can't use vi on the data wink, wink : good thing they don't know about ed! What folks don't realize about SOX is that now that an executive could be held responsible even if he didn't know (not that I think anyone on the jury believed Bernie Ebbers really didn't know (Worldcom)) those executives will be frantic to SHOW they didn't know. If they can point to a control that demonstrates a reasonable expectation that certain controls are in place (a signed off report that says data cannot be edited on live, for example) then the person who withheld certain editors from the control will actually end up being accountable. And this whole thing about exporting and importing data (soapbox is fully out and positioned center stage now): SOX is not there to PREVENT technology, flexibility, business realities! Some folks are getting so caught up that they are just lost in it. Excel is a great tool for presenting data. Users should be able to download it and play with it all day for internal decision making. But if those excel reports need to be used for consolidating multiple systems and actually reporting at an SEC level then they need controls. A control can be technological -- some reports import into read-only directories, maybe. Or a control can be human -- this report is consolidated every day, but on Thursday Sam spot checks the sales figures against the cash register reports and Sally signs off on the proofs. Or a combination ... the data is imported, the reports are created and the figures that go to the report are re-summarized, re-hashed in alternate reports that are stored on the system. [Here's an idea that has been misunderstood, too -- one company I know has an electronic report of certain activities e.mailed to an individual every day. This individual must check a box, digitally signing that he's reviewed them. He laughs and thinks everyone is stupid because he just checks the box and doesn't really review them. But what I'm trying to get him to understand is that whether or not he bothers to look, by signing off he has ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY for them. So if there were a problem, he'd get the 'do not pass GO, do not collect $200' card! SOX is really -- at its most bare-bones and fundamental level -- about justifying finger pointing. Think like Allen. collapsing portable soapbox that I seem to carry everywhere these days SJ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:47:56 -0800 From: Allen E. Elwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor The system that I had setup, allowed accountants to change any field on an invoice. Believe it or not, that was the request. What they didn't know was that I kept a simple before change/change request/after change snapshot of the data along with date/time/logon as I had been warned about by a wise professor back in my school days (daze?). What I didn't know, was that they were changing the dates and invoice numbers on the invoices to make them look as if they were only 30-60 days old. This was to make the receivables look current, and therefore the company could leverage that to borrow money from Wells Fargo for purchase of more product to sell. The auditors from AA were very savvy and spotted the same invoice amount with different dates and different invoice numbers on printed aging reports kept for historical purposes. When they asked me about how that could happen, I produced the audit report. The accountants were charged with FRAUD at Wells Fargo's request and were tried and sent to jail! This was in the 80's. Way way before SOX. The first thing the accountants did was point the finger at me. That's why the auditors came to me along with the CEO with the intention of nailing me. Had I not been a paranoid programmer, I might have ended up in jail. The accountants thought I was a
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was sold back out again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000. Polk audio, in addition to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user. Now if I could just get them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-) When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several companies that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:39 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Lemme hope that a former HK employee turned Avante rep now no longer with either company wasn't involved in the roll-out ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:56 PM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor While I suppose that is true that Avante is not Tier One, Avante runs in some rather large organizations... perhaps 1000 users. Avante has quite a lot of features and functionality. I never considered Jeter to be a heavy-weight. Thus, a more meaningful analogy would be... a luxury van to a luxury bus. Let's go Mets. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Sorry Susan Your baby ain't butt ugly but no mother thinks her baby has flaws... But -- I've worked on alot of packages, and yes even extensive tier 1 packages that are well out of price points for some. Yes with Avante there are alot of bells and whistles, but ofttimes when trying to be all things to all manufacturing markets you miss the mark by being too convoluted to use effectively without customizing it to meet the individual company needs and throwing out a good portion that you paid for. Remember KISS? Sometimes simple is better, or something geared toward more specific target market, ala flavors like we are all familar with. Problems do arise with Avante and trying to administer the patches without total disruption. The location I am at was virtually shut down for more than just a day or two due to patches in the past. Even when initially bringing the system up, they were shut down due to screw ups by Epicor tech reps in regards to system set up functions. I know its your baby, but I loathe the fact that you are forced to utilize PRC. Granted my current location runs the light version along with the fact that there are few software version control systems available for the U2 market, but I have utilized more open home grown systems that provided better ease of use while providing just as much or a higher level of control and deployment functions. Sometimes the client actually does know best when administering their system controls. Even though there may be many happy as a clam Avante users, and you see those in attendance at user meetings, but what percentage does that represent of the actual number of end-users? Pissed off customers rarely attend those functions unless it's to sit at the back of the room and heckle. Someone asked for an opinion from users, and I gave it from my 15+ years in manufacturing as a resource... Sorry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:11 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Susan steps in, ugly baby on her hip Wow -- that wasn't a very strong endorsement of Epicor as a product. And I am surprised. I go to their user meetings all over the US and Europe and I have to say that there are a lot of really, really happy Avanti, Manfact and Dataflo customers around the world.I'm sure it has flaws and bugs -- I haven't met a perfect software application yet. But many people tell me that it has flexibility and functionality for many types of manufacturing and general ERP business applications that is far beyond what else is out there in the price range. But the part of this that brought me into this foray is the bit about how difficult patch releases are. This is something that I've been very involved with at Epicor. (PRC is the tool used internally and at customer site to manage the software configuration and the patches and releases.) Now granted, they don't do exactly the way I'd like them to. But they are a big company and for some silly reason they won't let me run it! Even so, I guess if they issue bug-fix documents and patch releases too frequently I can understand feeling overwhelmed. But let's face it, its a lot of software and the fact that they are working hard to keep it current is a good thing -- isn't it? One of the hallmarks of the success of the Avanti product has been Epicor's commitment to accommodating customization. To that end they have created a system for tracking, delivering and reintegrating what can be constant change. I heard recently that the ability to stay on current releases of Avanti and customize to your hearts content is well above industry standards. Most of the time you have to choose. Now -- there are some things that Avanti customers can do on their side that will help manage the constant influx of change. Things that many companies don't bother to do until the integration effort becomes cumbersome and then they may not realize how a few simple changes in procedure in-house could have a huge impact. I would be happy to elaborate on these simple changes but won't use list bandwidth on it. But get to me privately if I can help. I couldn't help but hop in, partly in defense of Epicor. Some good folks over there working hard to provide good solutions. But its more personal, too -- you may not have realized that you called my baby ugly. :) Susan Joslyn SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc. PRC (r) Real software configuration management for U2 development. Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:48:35 -0500 From: Debster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor The Avante package I am working on uses UV. They seem to have Technical Bulletins on almost a bi-weekly basis of bugs within the system. The patches are a bear to install if there is even the normal end-user amount of customization on the existing system and a nightmare if it's extensive. Most of these bugs you find fixing well before
RE: [U2]: Epicor
and I'm at one of the largest installs... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:56 PM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor While I suppose that is true that Avante is not Tier One, Avante runs in some rather large organizations... perhaps 1000 users. Avante has quite a lot of features and functionality. I never considered Jeter to be a heavy-weight. Thus, a more meaningful analogy would be... a luxury van to a luxury bus. Let's go Mets. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor X-Squeeze me But comparing Avante to JD Edwards Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its playing with the big boys... -- Debster -- Original message -- There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group that are very good with the interfaces to U2. From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software slightly different. I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database independent. Although making it database independent may be counter productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, but it will take them years to make it work. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
The Avante package I am working on uses UV. They seem to have Technical Bulletins on almost a bi-weekly basis of bugs within the system. The patches are a bear to install if there is even the normal end-user amount of customization on the existing system and a nightmare if it's extensive. Most of these bugs you find fixing well before the patch arrives if it's in an area that you utilize. There appears to be little to no respect for how Epicor handles support. Trying to gestimate learning curve for an individual is hard. What shortens the timeframe is the same for any package/tool. Just how familiar are you with the outside factors such as a extensive understanding of manufacturing business process flow and if you have ever utilized SB+ before. If you are unfamiliar with either than it of course extends the learning curve. I have seen both sides of the coin with other consultants at my current contract, one had extensive expertise in SB+ and very little Basic or manufacturing. The end result in his contribution was use of SB+ tools that were not utilized anywhere else within the Avante system, spaghetti in regards to the manufacturing functions, and misuse of SB+ tools where Basic was more appropriate. [Not even the illustrious SB+ guru Kevin King did that as he passed through their doors] On the other side, yet another consultant was unable to conform to the use of SB+ when appropriate. In other words, when enhancing, by conforming to the rest of the system it creates a better flow and less problems, it also strengthens your understanding of the system. I found Avante's extensive use of SB+ tools the biggest hurdle since other systems I had used it on primarily utilized it for forms and report design leaving the majority of processes to be written more in Basic. That is not the case with Avante, there is extensive use of paragraphs. I find this more cumbersome, more system use intensive with poor use causing gross inefficiencies. If you use debugger a lot to troubleshoot as I had in the past, it becomes a nightmare. You wind up using trace and display functions instead at various points to view what is actually occurring. Making sure you don't step on yourself as you pass through multiple paragraphs, screens to basic and back to the original screen depends on file use and preserving the work files utilized. Best bet when customizing Avante is to not screw too much with the core files, but instead utilize fields so far out, or adding additional user files that the potential for Avante stepping on them is eliminated. Would I choose it as a package? No, I think there are far better choices out there that are far more manageable in terms of both support and ease of customization. But that is just my .02 Debster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Hi Will, You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000 is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for M2K. His exact words:I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for m2k folk used to an mrp engine. (Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k) If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in programming/consulting for that product. It's a very big system. Over 800 menus! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 17:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Don't feel bad...every person on this list has some dirty laundry. It's amazing how many of us have rode the economic roller coaster from such heights to such lows. Makes me wonder, is there any other profession that has such extremes? A garbage man isn't subjected to corporate takeover woes or such extremes in monetary compensation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:05 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I meant to only send this to debster. But I forgot to change the address. I didn't mean to air dirty laundry in public. Doh.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 15:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor I know they have several products, but have very little interest in them since I have so much experience in M2K. So, um Avante uses U2 or UV? I wonder if that's the glorified jobshop that my friend alluded to? All I know is that they bought ROI Systems in 07/03 and all the old timer ROI employees *HATE* working for them and have or are getting ready to jump ship...they say I'm the lucky one since I got laid off and got a compensation package, whereas they have had to put up with the huge corporate treatment of 'programmers as worker bees' mentality and are now quitting and receiving no package. I was a work-from-home 1,200 miles away from the office and was temporarily disabled with an elbow injury so severe that the doctors almost amputated. So when Epicor acquired ROI, I got the golden boot to the rear. Almost sued under the ADA, but I had an empty bank account and had to take the compensation package or risk loosing my house. :-0 !!! But that's ok, as Ann Landers used to say 'time wounds all heals'. ;-) *=aee=* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 13:38 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor You forgot Avante -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Hi Will, You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000 is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for M2K. His exact words:I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for m2k folk used to an mrp engine. (Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k) If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in programming/consulting for that product. It's a very big system. Over 800 menus! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 17:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
FYI FYI I want it to be understood that Kevin King was not the spaghetti man I mentioned earlier..I will not name that person. I only mentioned Kevin in the respect that given the fact that he is a published Grand Poobah of SB+ that you would expect more fancy schmanchy zing bang boom SB+ tricks. But apparently his wisdom of knowing when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em was far greater than spaghetti man who thought, hey its like Prego...its in there and I'm gonna use it even if it is the wrong sauce... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in U2 which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with U2 in general. Will Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
You forgot Avante -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor Hi Will, You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000 is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for M2K. His exact words:I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for m2k folk used to an mrp engine. (Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k) If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in programming/consulting for that product. It's a very big system. Over 800 menus! Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 17:52 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2]: Epicor
Here Here -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2]: Epicor Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ? I have a client who is examining Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some input. Thanks Will Johnson Fast Forward --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [OT] Wonky?
...and in the case of Johnny Depp, ala Tim Burton having really weird optical fixtures and audio features (un-Depp like teeth) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Solie Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:16 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [OT] Wonky? It was Willy WONKA ! Creative license... :-) I also got the colors wrong. It should have been Orange with Green hair. :-) -- John Solie -- Professional Hospital Supply -- 951-296-2600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:10 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] [OT] Wonky? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT
I'm an elder too...so I will be kind to myself.. alas...everyone missed my point.. Personally...and I mean personally, even if I hoards behind me who feel the same way...I think GO, GOTO's are sloppy coding. There are cleaner ways to do it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bruce Nichol Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:33 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT Goo'day, At 19:30 28/12/04 -0500, you wrote: It is a silly argument... I just think about utilizing a goto or its facsmile within C++. C, C# (not that I ever did) and it would quickly garner a big red F in school... Ah! But some of us were programming top down with GO's, JUMP's, what-have-you - quite productively and successfully - long before structured programming was foisted upon an unsuspecting public, and long before schools of any ilk, primary, secondary or tertiary, even knew a skerrick about programming per se. Most of the programming profession in those days, and it's well and truly within my lifetime, were taught their trade by hardware manufacturers. As a matter of small fact, top down programming was preached at me in my early Pick days (late 70's) to overcome frame faulting/ response time problems in MDD boxes with only 32K of memory and up to 8 users Be kind to your elders. I don't know of any other language where it would even get beyond a snicker at the unpolished newbie... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT While quibbling over nanoseconds, some of may have missed a little flaw in your tests that would have nothing to do with caching or memory allocation. The elapsed time of each test could have been different enough that the differences in the counts would fall within that margin of error. This is particularly noticeable in Tom's test below. Using 'TIME() + some.number' to determine the stopping point could make the first iteration up to .999 seconds shorter than the second. When you're processing hundreds of thousands or millions of iterations per second, that fraction of a second could account for the differences. Using Tom's example below, if the system time was 1.999 at the start, then ETIME for the first pass would be 10005, resulting in 4.001 seconds of processing. The second pass would start around 10005.001 and ETIME would be 10010, resulting in 4.999 seconds of processing. When processing 600,000 iterations, that means a margin of error of 120,000. Hence the results are skewed toward the second loop. To get around this, you could: A) Use SYSTEM(12)(on UD) to get milliseconds or other function to get a more exact measurement of time to make margin of error smaller. B) Add some code at the beginning to ensure TIME() had just incremented to the next number before starting a loop. C) Loop for more than a few seconds to make the partial second a smaller part of the total. D) Loop for a fixed number of times, logging starting and ending times (preferably in milliseconds or smaller). Dean P.S. I apologize for the late post. I'm once again way behind but couldn't resist this one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:32 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT Allen E. Elwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 13 Dec 2004 09:36:42 -0800 I didn't include the delete statement because what you really wanted to test was the LOOP/REPEAT vs. the GO construct. Guess what? After doing four consecutive runs and picking the fastest of each four, LOOP/REPEAT wins!! ... So does this end the GOTO holy war? Less Filling, Tastes Better, Goes Faster??? ;-) Ummm... no. Using UniData 6.0 on AIX 5.1 I tested a similar program with a tighter GOTO loop: 01: * Test Loop Speeds 02: * 03:CTR = 0 04:ETIME = TIME() + 5 05:LOOP WHILE TIME() ETIME DO 06: CTR += 1 07:REPEAT 08:PRINT While :CTR 09: * 10:CTR = 0 11:ETIME = TIME() + 5 12: 10 CTR += 1 13:IF TIME() ETIME THEN GOTO 10 14:PRINT Go To :CTR I also wrote a separate program with lines 2-9 above after line 14, so I could test if the order of execution made a difference. I ran each program four times, with the following results (W indicates Winner :-) -- Go To First - -- While First - Go To Count While Count Go To Count While Count --- --- --- --- 769730 W 752380667050 W 458545 655809 734709 W 747373 W 592827 576565 688953 W 785676 W 611628 629807 748265 W 714679 W 564908 The second loop for whatever reason seems to have an advantage. Overall, I
RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT
Chuck ok... Calm down Take an egg nog in hand and sip slowly We will take heed and GOTO to the community list and hope it does not do a LOOP RETURN... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Moderator Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:33 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT ONCE AGAIN: MOVE THIS TO U2-COMMUNITY! This belongs on U2-Community, not on U2-Users. GOTO falls under the category of religion and this is a technology mailing list. Off-topic matters belong on U2-Community. - Charles Barouch, Moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] - U2-Users Moderator -- To subscribe to the u2-users or u2-community mailing lists or digest lists, send one or more of the following lines in the BODY (not the subject) of an email addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe u2-users subscribe u2-users-digest subscribe u2-community subscribe u2-community-digest --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT
It is a silly argument... I just think about utilizing a goto or its facsmile within C++. C, C# (not that I ever did) and it would quickly garner a big red F in school... I don't know of any other language where it would even get beyond a snicker at the unpolished newbie... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT While quibbling over nanoseconds, some of may have missed a little flaw in your tests that would have nothing to do with caching or memory allocation. The elapsed time of each test could have been different enough that the differences in the counts would fall within that margin of error. This is particularly noticeable in Tom's test below. Using 'TIME() + some.number' to determine the stopping point could make the first iteration up to .999 seconds shorter than the second. When you're processing hundreds of thousands or millions of iterations per second, that fraction of a second could account for the differences. Using Tom's example below, if the system time was 1.999 at the start, then ETIME for the first pass would be 10005, resulting in 4.001 seconds of processing. The second pass would start around 10005.001 and ETIME would be 10010, resulting in 4.999 seconds of processing. When processing 600,000 iterations, that means a margin of error of 120,000. Hence the results are skewed toward the second loop. To get around this, you could: A) Use SYSTEM(12)(on UD) to get milliseconds or other function to get a more exact measurement of time to make margin of error smaller. B) Add some code at the beginning to ensure TIME() had just incremented to the next number before starting a loop. C) Loop for more than a few seconds to make the partial second a smaller part of the total. D) Loop for a fixed number of times, logging starting and ending times (preferably in milliseconds or smaller). Dean P.S. I apologize for the late post. I'm once again way behind but couldn't resist this one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:32 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT Allen E. Elwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 13 Dec 2004 09:36:42 -0800 I didn't include the delete statement because what you really wanted to test was the LOOP/REPEAT vs. the GO construct. Guess what? After doing four consecutive runs and picking the fastest of each four, LOOP/REPEAT wins!! ... So does this end the GOTO holy war? Less Filling, Tastes Better, Goes Faster??? ;-) Ummm... no. Using UniData 6.0 on AIX 5.1 I tested a similar program with a tighter GOTO loop: 01: * Test Loop Speeds 02: * 03:CTR = 0 04:ETIME = TIME() + 5 05:LOOP WHILE TIME() ETIME DO 06: CTR += 1 07:REPEAT 08:PRINT While :CTR 09: * 10:CTR = 0 11:ETIME = TIME() + 5 12: 10 CTR += 1 13:IF TIME() ETIME THEN GOTO 10 14:PRINT Go To :CTR I also wrote a separate program with lines 2-9 above after line 14, so I could test if the order of execution made a difference. I ran each program four times, with the following results (W indicates Winner :-) -- Go To First - -- While First - Go To Count While Count Go To Count While Count --- --- --- --- 769730 W 752380667050 W 458545 655809 734709 W 747373 W 592827 576565 688953 W 785676 W 611628 629807 748265 W 714679 W 564908 The second loop for whatever reason seems to have an advantage. Overall, I suspect there isn't a lot of difference. --Tom Pellitieri Century Equipment --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] hello ?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larry Hiscock Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] hello ? As interesting as this thread has become, it really doesn't belong on this list. Please move it to u2-community. Thanks. Larry Hiscock Moderator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Kibbey Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] hello ? Yep, time to torture the neighbors with the SG, the Carvin and the Fender Twin... Into the Arena by M. Schenker is usually enough to send them off to the Mall for a few hours. Don Kibbey Financial Systems Manager Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett Dunner LLP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/23/04 12:02PM Ok, that's it. I'm getting out the Marshall amp and Strat and wale away at Obscured from vision by the clouds.. Born on the spring equinox, it's my fate :-D To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] hello ?
Yes us pagans are dancing in the moonlight and had to address the 4 element forces at noon... ;-) call to the East, South, North West.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Kibbey Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] hello ? the list is very dead today - is some holiday somewhere ? Autumnal Equinox??? Don Kibbey Financial Systems Manager Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett Dunner LLP --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
Or charge for sending bulk mail... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] spammed Oh, if only they could tax spam (politicians everywhere dreaming) --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Attribute marks in comments?
use whatever convention is already in place for consistency. If there isn't one -- use something and be consistent about it, as well as inform others of the standard. Remember it's the documentation that counts, both in setting standards and utilizing them.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barry Brevik Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:45 PM To: U2-users (E-mail) Subject: [U2] Attribute marks in comments? Is there a standard or convention for representing attribute marks in program comments? In other words, if I want to document the structure of a dynamic array in a comment, are there single characters that I would use instead of @FM, @VM etc? --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Attribute marks in comments?
OR... in the comments you can use ] for VM / or \ to indicate a subvalue within -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Barry Brevik Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:45 PM To: U2-users (E-mail) Subject: [U2] Attribute marks in comments? Is there a standard or convention for representing attribute marks in program comments? In other words, if I want to document the structure of a dynamic array in a comment, are there single characters that I would use instead of @FM, @VM etc? --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] spammed
considering I have numerous traps prior to my inbox...(cut it out!) I never received any along this line. This is aside from the fact tht I generally delete mail with funky headers/subject lines that my isp neglects to weed out -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gerry Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] spammed i just received a viral mail delivery notification notice sent to my email address that is used solely for the u2 list and absolutely nothing else. anyone else get this ? gerry --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Job Posting in Austin Texas
LOL...I love it! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Clifton Oliver Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] Job Posting in Austin Texas What's the old line? You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. :-) -- Regards, Clif On Sep 9, 2004, at 12:58, Allen E. Elwood (CA) wrote: Woof! $40 and hour *and* they want the consultant to camp there for 4 months *and* they want an expert? Good Luck indeed! Try $125 to $175 an hour for off-site dev. That's the going rate for all the professionals I know. This isn't even in the ball park for someone that has to pay their own health insurance and both sides of the income taxes, as I do. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Anyone heard of DDi
Just curious and looking for feedback if anyone has ever had any experience with a company called DDi out of Connecticut --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [OT] [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston (PICK /UniV erse/U2)
On the contrary I never said that degrees are useless or the people that have them, I was just trying to state that one should have an open mind and that those without should not be discredited. Once upon a time it was experience and not the piece of paper that mattered. Those newly graduated struggled to find a position, unable to fullfil the x years of experience requirement. More sides of this coin annoy me (I must be turning into a grumpy old lady) such as companies who will dump seasoned non-degreed experienced people only to replace them with new graduates who are hungry for a job with saving money as the objective... ...and yes...I was proud of my 3.8 GPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David T. Meeks Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston (PICK /UniV erse/U2) A quick comment (though I really shouldn't) I've seen a bunch of posts come across defending the abilities of those without degrees, and I have no problem with those. I also agree that having a degree doesn't guarantee success... But, it's almost devolved into a people with degrees are useless discussion. Having a degree should NOT be viewed as a negative aspect, but rather, as a very good thing. It's not the ONLY thing, and it can't truly replace experience, but someone who spends 4-8 years of their lives learning all they can about a particular subject should NOT be looked down upon... Dave ' Proud of his Degree' Meeks At 09:49 AM 9/8/2004 -0400, you wrote: Jeeze people. I'm sorry I opened my mouth. Yes, we all can site anecdotal examples both pro and con formal education. I was merely pointing out why some PHBs require degrees. I meant no insult to any individual. My apologies if my remarks did offend. My last employer required that I finish my degree because, due to market realities, they had to pay their programmers the same or more than they paid their mechanical and chemical engineers. The idea was that they could not justify paying the same salary as an engineer with a masters degree to someone without a degree. David T. Meeks || All my life I'm taken by surprise Architect, Technology Office || I'm someone's waste of time Ascential Software || Now I walk a balanced line [EMAIL PROTECTED] || and step into tomorrow - IQ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Anyone heard of DDi
Not sure what the DDi stands for but I think so -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Glen B Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] Anyone heard of DDi How interesting. Do you mean Dynamic Distrubtion Inc.? Glen http://picksource.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] Anyone heard of DDi Just curious and looking for feedback if anyone has ever had any experience with a company called DDi out of Connecticut --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
