Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-25 Thread John Jenkins
The best options are probably:

Security subroutines and named common switches (this was covered at U2U under 
Data Security and Best Practises

Use wIntegrate thin client (more flexible and secure for this than the thick 
client) and log from the wIntegrate server using wIntegrate scripting.

 Are you sure you really want to do this ? If you implement this type of 
logging it is fairly easy to take down the service by filling your file system 
- a DOS attack.

Ive seen different opinions from different compliance officers before. There 
has been some fairly inventive interpretation of guidelines and items that 
should be assessed as risks as being rules on what must be done.

If you are going to log everything, then you should perform a risk assessment 
on how this exposes you. Remember that the logs themselves are a Data 
Protection time bomb and you will probably want to encrypt them securely and 
audit who can access and use the logs.

Regards

JayJay

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On 24 Apr 2013, at 21:34, Scott Zachary szach...@gardensalive.com wrote:

 For PCI compliance, we are tasked to log/capture all TCL entries and
 responses. I am familiar with COMO, which is one possible solution. 
 
 1) What other TCL logging methods are available in UniVerse besides COMO?
 
 2) What AIX Unix tools are available to capture keyboard input and responses
 at TCL?
 
 
 
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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-25 Thread Wols Lists
On 24/04/13 22:54, Tom Whitmore wrote:
 Hi,
 Can you provide more information on what you are trying to capture? (edits, 
 list commands, etc.)  I suspect that you may be able to put security on the 
 commands you are concerned with and address the problem with less pain.
 
 The problem with using the command stack or a COMO is that they are easily 
 modifiable.  You may want to consider using a Unix Tee to capture all 
 output which isn't as easy to turn off.  Having said that, I'm not a Unix 
 expert so I can't offer the command string you should use but I'm sure 
 someone will provide it.

And if you're supposed to be logging power users, are they the sort of
user who will know about the COMO command? It's not stackable, so if
they have a genuine reason for wanting to use it (eg
programming/debugging), they're going to innocently mess up your logging.

Cheers,
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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-25 Thread Susan Joslyn
Hi.

I'm with Tom on this - capturing EVERYTHING that EVERYONE types is a lot of
data - much of it not interesting.  May be smarter to identify the verbs
that can actually cause 'change' and put them in a remote voc.  That way you
can put both preventive and detective controls on them as well.

 

PRC can do this for you, too.  (PRC is software configuration management /
software life cycle management/ IT Governance for U2).

 

This is crazy but .call me maybe!

 

Susan Joslyn

SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc.

sjos...@sjplus.com

(954-796-9868)

 

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:54:36 -0400

From: Tom Whitmore tewhitm...@ratex.com

To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org

Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

Message-ID: BA2E471C9317804EB8470750F458BD9801EC7D8D3D38@public

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Hi,

Can you provide more information on what you are trying to capture? (edits,
list commands, etc.)  I suspect that you may be able to put security on the
commands you are concerned with and address the problem with less pain.

 

The problem with using the command stack or a COMO is that they are easily
modifiable.  You may want to consider using a Unix Tee to capture all
output which isn't as easy to turn off.  Having said that, I'm not a Unix
expert so I can't offer the command string you should use but I'm sure
someone will provide it.

 

Tom Whitmore

RATEX Business Solutions

 

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To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org

Subject: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

 

For PCI compliance, we are tasked to log/capture all TCL entries and
responses. I am familiar with COMO, which is one possible solution. 

 

1) What other TCL logging methods are available in UniVerse besides COMO?

 

2) What AIX Unix tools are available to capture keyboard input and responses
at TCL?

 

 

 

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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-25 Thread Woodward, Bob
Hi maybe!

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Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:17 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
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Hi.

I'm with Tom on this - capturing EVERYTHING that EVERYONE types is a lot
of data - much of it not interesting.  May be smarter to identify the
verbs that can actually cause 'change' and put them in a remote voc.
That way you can put both preventive and detective controls on them as
well.

 

PRC can do this for you, too.  (PRC is software configuration management
/ software life cycle management/ IT Governance for U2).

 

This is crazy but .call me maybe!

 

Susan Joslyn

SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc.

sjos...@sjplus.com

(954-796-9868)

 

Message: 6

Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:54:36 -0400

From: Tom Whitmore tewhitm...@ratex.com

To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org

Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

Message-ID: BA2E471C9317804EB8470750F458BD9801EC7D8D3D38@public

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 

Hi,

Can you provide more information on what you are trying to capture?
(edits, list commands, etc.)  I suspect that you may be able to put
security on the commands you are concerned with and address the problem
with less pain.

 

The problem with using the command stack or a COMO is that they are
easily modifiable.  You may want to consider using a Unix Tee to
capture all output which isn't as easy to turn off.  Having said that,
I'm not a Unix
expert so I can't offer the command string you should use but I'm sure
someone will provide it.

 

Tom Whitmore

RATEX Business Solutions

 

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Scott Zachary

Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:35 PM

To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org

Subject: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

 

For PCI compliance, we are tasked to log/capture all TCL entries and
responses. I am familiar with COMO, which is one possible solution. 

 

1) What other TCL logging methods are available in UniVerse besides
COMO?

 

2) What AIX Unix tools are available to capture keyboard input and
responses at TCL?

 

 

 

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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-25 Thread Robert Frailey
Could also be a huge drag on your processors and storage. Lots of 
read/writes and at the unidata level, the block size,modulo and hash type.
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Hi.

I'm with Tom on this - capturing EVERYTHING that EVERYONE types is a lot 
of

data - much of it not interesting.  May be smarter to identify the verbs
that can actually cause 'change' and put them in a remote voc.  That way 
you

can put both preventive and detective controls on them as well.



PRC can do this for you, too.  (PRC is software configuration management /
software life cycle management/ IT Governance for U2).



This is crazy but .call me maybe!



Susan Joslyn

SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc.

sjos...@sjplus.com

(954-796-9868)



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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 17:54:36 -0400

From: Tom Whitmore tewhitm...@ratex.com

To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org

Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

Message-ID: BA2E471C9317804EB8470750F458BD9801EC7D8D3D38@public

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii



Hi,

Can you provide more information on what you are trying to capture? 
(edits,
list commands, etc.)  I suspect that you may be able to put security on 
the

commands you are concerned with and address the problem with less pain.



The problem with using the command stack or a COMO is that they are easily
modifiable.  You may want to consider using a Unix Tee to capture all
output which isn't as easy to turn off.  Having said that, I'm not a 
Unix

expert so I can't offer the command string you should use but I'm sure
someone will provide it.



Tom Whitmore

RATEX Business Solutions



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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:35 PM

To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org

Subject: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO



For PCI compliance, we are tasked to log/capture all TCL entries and
responses. I am familiar with COMO, which is one possible solution.



1) What other TCL logging methods are available in UniVerse besides COMO?



2) What AIX Unix tools are available to capture keyboard input and 
responses

at TCL?







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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-25 Thread Phil Walker
Look at Centrify DirectControl and DirectAudit, we use them and they work 
pretty well.

www.centrify.com


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I can't speak for UV, but we've been required to log all sessions for specific 
powerful users. It becomes a little simpler if you do it for all users. Make 
sure you have some type of automated purge of whatever log files you create or 
you'll probably start filling up your file system. 

This is what we're doing under UD7.1. Nothing fancy.


We added this to our LOGIN:

PQ
HRUN DIR COMO.PROG
P


And here's what's in COMO.PROG

USERS = 'user1, user2, user3'
IF INDEX(USERS,@LOGNAME,1)  0 THEN
  FN = @LOGNAME:'_':@USERNO:'_':DATE():'_':TIME()
  DATA FN
  EXECUTE 'COMO ON'
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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-25 Thread Peter Cheney
I guess it depends on what legislation you must comply with for auditing 
purposes and what you can get away with. If you have to log everything then I'd 
agree that the unix tee command as others suggest would be best. The following 
works OK on our AIX dev box but there are a few strange terminal characters in 
the log file that might make parsing difficult and require some quality time 
with sed and/or awk. A log roll utility should also be employed to regularly 
compress and archive the resulting logs once they reach a certain size/age.

$ `cat /.uvhome`/bin/uv | tee -a /var/uvlogs/user1.log

If you just need to lock down and/or log the relevant UV verbs then remote VOC 
pointers will do the job. This might include a false TCL program invoked at 
login or when exiting from the menu (e.g. loop, input, log, execute, repeat) 
that just logs everything at TCL.

Doctoring the TCL verbs for logging/security would require to disable break and 
possibly make exceptions for any phantoms and other background/batch jobs 
though which may be more effort to implement thoroughly.

HTH
Peter

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Subject: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

For PCI compliance, we are tasked to log/capture all TCL entries and responses. 
I am familiar with COMO, which is one possible solution. 

1) What other TCL logging methods are available in UniVerse besides COMO?

2) What AIX Unix tools are available to capture keyboard input and responses at 
TCL?



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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-25 Thread Wjhonson
If you have a COMO running, and you run some *other* process that itself starts 
a COMO, it will stomp on the first one :)


 

 

 

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On 24/04/13 22:54, Tom Whitmore wrote:
 Hi,
 Can you provide more information on what you are trying to capture? (edits, 
list commands, etc.)  I suspect that you may be able to put security on the 
commands you are concerned with and address the problem with less pain.
 
 The problem with using the command stack or a COMO is that they are easily 
modifiable.  You may want to consider using a Unix Tee to capture all output 
which isn't as easy to turn off.  Having said that, I'm not a Unix expert so 
I 
can't offer the command string you should use but I'm sure someone will provide 
it.

And if you're supposed to be logging power users, are they the sort of
user who will know about the COMO command? It's not stackable, so if
they have a genuine reason for wanting to use it (eg
programming/debugging), they're going to innocently mess up your logging.

Cheers,
Wol
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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-24 Thread Dan Goble
In UniVerse in the SAVEDLIST directory a user's TCL statements are saved as 
$$userid:user#


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Subject: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

For PCI compliance, we are tasked to log/capture all TCL entries and responses. 
I am familiar with COMO, which is one possible solution.

1) What other TCL logging methods are available in UniVerse besides COMO?

2) What AIX Unix tools are available to capture keyboard input and responses at 
TCL?



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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-24 Thread Wjhonson
Capturing TCL entries and responses is not related to PCI compliance, which 
is only related to payment card uses.


 

 

 

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For PCI compliance, we are tasked to log/capture all TCL entries and
responses. I am familiar with COMO, which is one possible solution. 

1) What other TCL logging methods are available in UniVerse besides COMO?

2) What AIX Unix tools are available to capture keyboard input and responses
at TCL?



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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-24 Thread Allen Bell

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1) What other TCL logging methods are available in UniVerse besides COMO?

2) What AIX Unix tools are available to capture keyboard input and responses
at TCL?



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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-24 Thread bradley . schrag
I can't speak for UV, but we've been required to log all sessions for 
specific powerful users. It becomes a little simpler if you do it for all 
users. Make sure you have some type of automated purge of whatever log 
files you create or you'll probably start filling up your file system. 

This is what we're doing under UD7.1. Nothing fancy.


We added this to our LOGIN:

PQ
HRUN DIR COMO.PROG
P


And here's what's in COMO.PROG

USERS = 'user1, user2, user3'
IF INDEX(USERS,@LOGNAME,1)  0 THEN
  FN = @LOGNAME:'_':@USERNO:'_':DATE():'_':TIME()
  DATA FN
  EXECUTE 'COMO ON'
END
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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-24 Thread Tom Whitmore
Hi,
Can you provide more information on what you are trying to capture? (edits, 
list commands, etc.)  I suspect that you may be able to put security on the 
commands you are concerned with and address the problem with less pain.

The problem with using the command stack or a COMO is that they are easily 
modifiable.  You may want to consider using a Unix Tee to capture all output 
which isn't as easy to turn off.  Having said that, I'm not a Unix expert so 
I can't offer the command string you should use but I'm sure someone will 
provide it.

Tom Whitmore
RATEX Business Solutions


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Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

I can't speak for UV, but we've been required to log all sessions for specific 
powerful users. It becomes a little simpler if you do it for all users. Make 
sure you have some type of automated purge of whatever log files you create or 
you'll probably start filling up your file system. 

This is what we're doing under UD7.1. Nothing fancy.


We added this to our LOGIN:

PQ
HRUN DIR COMO.PROG
P


And here's what's in COMO.PROG

USERS = 'user1, user2, user3'
IF INDEX(USERS,@LOGNAME,1)  0 THEN
  FN = @LOGNAME:'_':@USERNO:'_':DATE():'_':TIME()
  DATA FN
  EXECUTE 'COMO ON'
END
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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-24 Thread Michael Pflugfelder
Scott,

One thing that I've seen in use on unix systems is the script command.  You 
would put it in the user's .profile, or whatever startup script is executing 
UV/UD.  The syntax of the command would be script -c uv/ud command 
logfile.  Replace uv/ud command with the command that you use to start the 
database of your choice and replace logfile with a unique log file name.  
I've seen the unique filename generated with the date command, such as: date 
+%F_%H-%M-%S.%N.

A simple example would be the following:

Contents of .profile:

Any OS setup goes here
logfile=/usr/local/audit.logs/${USER}-`date +%F_%H-%M-%S.%N`.log
cd /path/to/account
exec script -c /path/to/uv ${logfile}

-Mike

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Subject: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

For PCI compliance, we are tasked to log/capture all TCL entries and responses. 
I am familiar with COMO, which is one possible solution. 

1) What other TCL logging methods are available in UniVerse besides COMO?

2) What AIX Unix tools are available to capture keyboard input and responses at 
TCL?



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Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

2013-04-24 Thread John Hester
I've used unix/linux tee before, but not with UV.  I think this might
work, though:

`cat /.uvhome`/bin/uv tee /dirname/filename 21

-John

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Whitmore
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

Hi,
Can you provide more information on what you are trying to capture?
(edits, list commands, etc.)  I suspect that you may be able to put
security on the commands you are concerned with and address the problem
with less pain.

The problem with using the command stack or a COMO is that they are
easily modifiable.  You may want to consider using a Unix Tee to
capture all output which isn't as easy to turn off.  Having said that,
I'm not a Unix expert so I can't offer the command string you should
use but I'm sure someone will provide it.

Tom Whitmore
RATEX Business Solutions


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bradley.sch...@usbank.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 5:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] TCL input and response logging such as COMO

I can't speak for UV, but we've been required to log all sessions for
specific powerful users. It becomes a little simpler if you do it for
all users. Make sure you have some type of automated purge of whatever
log files you create or you'll probably start filling up your file
system. 

This is what we're doing under UD7.1. Nothing fancy.


We added this to our LOGIN:

PQ
HRUN DIR COMO.PROG
P


And here's what's in COMO.PROG

USERS = 'user1, user2, user3'
IF INDEX(USERS,@LOGNAME,1)  0 THEN
  FN = @LOGNAME:'_':@USERNO:'_':DATE():'_':TIME()
  DATA FN
  EXECUTE 'COMO ON'
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