[ubuntu-in] compiling abiword from source
I need your help. You may either read this mail or visit http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10647750#post10647750 Well, I've been for some time trying to compile the source of AbiWord (I know the package is available; just trying to do it myself) . Now, when I run ./configure it gives the following missing packages. Quote: No package 'fribidi' found No package 'glib-2.0' found No package 'gthread-2.0' found No package 'gobject-2.0' found No package 'libgsf-1' found No package 'wv-1.0' found No package 'cairo-pdf' found No package 'cairo-ps' found No package 'pangocairo' found No package 'gtk+-2.0' found No package 'gtk+-unix-print-2.0' found No package 'librsvg-2.0' found In my /usr/lib folder there are already the glib-2.0 and gtk2.0 folders present. and most of the programs installed in my pc require gtk to run properly. So, I definitely have it installed. Then why is the error? I see the configure script searches for dep.s in /usr/lib/pkgconfig; which doesn't have the missing packages. does it require those .pc files? and I'll have to install each and every missing packages with apt-get? ok..so I already got those missing dependencies installed and abiward installation was successful, but sudo checkinstall didn't work, i.e. installation failed. I had to do sudo checkinstall --fstrans=0 but after successful installation (as checkinstall said) abiword isn't opening. while running the configure script after downloading the dependencies, it said some of the required packages didn't met the version requirements. How am I supposed to prevent apt-get from downloading outdated archives? -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] compiling abiword from source
+++ dd [2011-04-07 12:31:33]: In my /usr/lib folder there are already the glib-2.0 and gtk2.0 folders present. and most of the programs installed in my pc require gtk to run properly. So, I definitely have it installed. Then why is the error? I see the configure script searches for dep.s in /usr/lib/pkgconfig; which doesn't have the missing packages. What you have installed are the binary libraries/runtime (.so files). Which are only used by pre-compiled software. To compile your own programs that use them you need the devel package which contain the headers For eg. librsvg2-2 - SAX-based renderer library for SVG files (runtime) librsvg2-dev - SAX-based renderer library for SVG files (development) So for each of the missing libraries mentioned in the output of ./configure you'll need to install the corresponding -dev package. And their dependencies. Kingsly -- --- Kingsly At Users Dot SourceForge Dot Net -- http://kingsly.org/ --- pgpQRPVP32NIo.pgp Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Stereotactic maill...@postinbox.com wrote: On 04/07/2011 02:40 AM, Manish Sinha wrote: On 04/06/2011 07:53 PM, Stereotactic wrote: This debate can *never* be settled; so let it be. True. So don't bring it up again ever if you can't defend. Thats good. Still, it's main flagship was always Gnome and hence there are The most important upstream is still Debian, not GNOME (some-one please correct me if wrong) Thats where the power of choice really is. However, Mark has mentioned somewhere that Ubuntu *might* become one; its an unsettled question. He hasn't mentioned anywhere AFAIK. Instead, Rick Spencer, Desktop Engineering Manager has stated that Ubuntu is not moving to rolling release. That's an abberation. Again your opinion. It isn't opinion, but experience. You voice opinion, not claim opinion. If there is a claim, then it means it is based on some experience. Rolling release can be based on Unstable or Testing versions; Unstable is not so cool as testing really is. But I let that pass. And I mention *again* that rolling release is *not* the point of debate. Ubuntu does have rolling versions. It is called development versions. You keep on updating it. Try it out. Whatever you say, Ubuntu would have never gained so much popularity with rolling release ever. Your opinion. Not opinion, but truth. Linux; it's installer is best in the ecosystem. Period. I am NOT objecting to say Ubuntu One as a service in the cloud, for example. That's an additional module, not really a part of the main OS. Canonical has full right to charge whatever it deems fit in the cloud. Paid software in software centre really is pushing the commerce in user's desktops. So what is wrong in users wanting to buy software? If they want, let them buy. If you don't want to buy, don't buy. In the long run, it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian and GNU. How? All I find is talk and no evidence. You know when we talk about Free we mean libre and not gratis. Please head to http://gnu.org for more information A non-techie user (as per your definition) would again be oblivious of fancy terms and conditions; once the critical mass, in terms of users, is reached, there would perhaps be no stopping Canonical to implement it's own (jaundiced) terms. The license is also Terms and conditions for using the software. I hope you know this. Free software license are also as fancy to the end-user as those 20 page long EULA. Have you ever looked how long the full GPLv2 license is? Anyway I had a good laugh. Nice conspiracy theory. It has already moved towards Unity and slowly poisoning it's relation with other companies in the ecosystem refusing to play ball with others. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.. http://goo.gl/NoyJS Perhaps it has *balls* enough but the future is going to stormy for all of them. Reading this same shit for past 5 years. Nothing happened -- Manish -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] compiling abiword from source
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:31 PM, dd deb...@gmail.com wrote: I need your help. You may either read this mail or visit http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10647750#post10647750 Well, I've been for some time trying to compile the source of AbiWord (I know the package is available; just trying to do it myself ) . Now, when I run ./configure it gives the following missing packages. sudo apt-get build-dep abiword and then continue -- Manish -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
+++ Manish Sinha [2011-04-07 13:10:53]: In the long run, it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian and GNU. How? All I find is talk and no evidence. You know when we talk about Free we mean libre and not gratis. Please head to http://gnu.org for more information You should probably read things again with an open mind. Just because this is the Ubuntu-IN list doesn't mean we don't have the right to criticize things we don't agree with. And while FSF says it is okay to pay for libre software, they don't advocate paying/using propreitary software. Ubuntu has allowed installing all kinds of non-libre drivers. So they have always been divergent from the philosophy of the FSF. And Canonical have stated their objective of moving towards open core with Unity being a first step, which means more proprietary extensions are to be expected. And from http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html Canonical, Ltd. refuses to promise to keep the software copylefted and never proprietarize it It doesn't matter if they haven't gone/never go proprietary, the very fact that they want copyright assignments without giving up their rights to ship proprietary/non-libre versions of the software speaks volumes about where they stand in terms of their commitment to libre software. Kingsly -- --- Kingsly At Users Dot SourceForge Dot Net -- http://kingsly.org/ --- pgpg6RHxPuFTs.pgp Description: PGP signature -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
On 04/07/2011 01:10 PM, Manish Sinha wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Stereotacticmaill...@postinbox.com wrote: On 04/07/2011 02:40 AM, Manish Sinha wrote: On 04/06/2011 07:53 PM, Stereotactic wrote: This debate can *never* be settled; so let it be. True. So don't bring it up again ever if you can't defend. Philosophical arguments can never be agreed upon. In the initial thread I had rallied against the role of LUG's. How useless they can be if it concerns the spread of libre software. Neither am defending; but well if the context of the mail escapes your notice, I can't really help it :( Thats good. Still, it's main flagship was always Gnome and hence there are The most important upstream is still Debian, not GNOME (some-one please correct me if wrong) There was a talk about how little Canonical has supported Gnome (1% of the code base or whatever); it's all over the net so I wouldn't really bother to prove my point. Thats where the power of choice really is. However, Mark has mentioned somewhere that Ubuntu *might* become one; its an unsettled question. He hasn't mentioned anywhere AFAIK. Instead, Rick Spencer, Desktop Engineering Manager has stated that Ubuntu is not moving to rolling release. The thread is *NOT* about rolling release. Please. It was, I repeat again, the role of LUG's to spread the word for libre software. Despite it's existence, I barely see any activity; heck, its not even mentioned in the mainstream media. How many of us have made *ANY* effort to work on those lines? Having a website or IRC presence alone does not count, IMHO. That's an abberation. Again your opinion. It isn't opinion, but experience. You voice opinion, not claim opinion. If there is a claim, then it means it is based on some experience. Ha! I'd let this pass :) No issues. Rolling release can be based on Unstable or Testing versions; Unstable is not so cool as testing really is. But I let that pass. And I mention *again* that rolling release is *not* the point of debate. Ubuntu does have rolling versions. It is called development versions. You keep on updating it. Try it out. :) First there is none; then there is development version. Okay :) Whatever you say, Ubuntu would have never gained so much popularity with rolling release ever. Your opinion. Not opinion, but truth. As per you? Okay :) Linux; it's installer is best in the ecosystem. Period. I am NOT objecting to say Ubuntu One as a service in the cloud, for example. That's an additional module, not really a part of the main OS. Canonical has full right to charge whatever it deems fit in the cloud. Paid software in software centre really is pushing the commerce in user's desktops. So what is wrong in users wanting to buy software? If they want, let them buy. If you don't want to buy, don't buy. The idea is against proprietary standards. Against the concept of paid software in the base operating system. I *repeat again* that no one objects to Ubuntu One as a cloud service where users *may* pay for whatever or if they are so concerned about syncing issues. Neither does anyone object if there is anything for paid support. But it's against the proprietary standards and as I mentioned, stiffling EULA's that are bound to come with it, one day or other. In the long run, it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian and GNU. How? All I find is talk and no evidence. You know when we talk about Free we mean libre and not gratis. Please head to http://gnu.org for more information Again, it has no relevance to you assertions. Please try and understand this. Canonical is profiteering from free code turning on proprietary standards without contribution back to community. A non-techie user (as per your definition) would again be oblivious of fancy terms and conditions; once the critical mass, in terms of users, is reached, there would perhaps be no stopping Canonical to implement it's own (jaundiced) terms. The license is also Terms and conditions for using the software. I hope you know this. Free software license are also as fancy to the end-user as those 20 page long EULA. Have you ever looked how long the full GPLv2 license is? It's still copyleft. I hate copyright in any manner whatsoever because it's very nature is RESTRICTIVE. Sorry but the length of the licence has nothing to do with it :) At least, it doesn't incapacitate the user! GPL3/4/5 or whatever version may be 1000+ pages or whatever, still it keeps the freedom intact. Anyway I had a good laugh. Nice conspiracy theory. Ha! Glad you did :) Ignorance is bliss :) Atleast, I made your day :) It has already moved towards Unity and slowly poisoning it's relation with other companies in the ecosystem refusing to play ball with others. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.. http://goo.gl/NoyJS :) http://imgur.com/kBhRq Hope this helps the attitude of some people :) Perhaps it has *balls* enough but the future is going to stormy for all of them. Reading this
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
On 04/07/2011 01:59 PM, Kingsly John wrote: +++ Manish Sinha [2011-04-07 13:10:53]: In the long run, it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian and GNU. How? All I find is talk and no evidence. You know when we talk about Free we mean libre and not gratis. Please head to http://gnu.org for more information You should probably read things again with an open mind. Just because this is the Ubuntu-IN list doesn't mean we don't have the right to criticize things we don't agree with. Couldn't agree more!! And while FSF says it is okay to pay for libre software, they don't advocate paying/using propreitary software. I think it refers to software as a service. For example, paid support. A developer can charge any premium for the same if necessary. But code ought to be free (and copyleft). This has huge implications for India (and other developing nations) specifically in an era where software patents are being used overtly and covertly to lock up in litigations. This only raises the cost of development, modifications and spreading computing to disadvantaged groups or those affected by digital divide. Ubuntu has allowed installing all kinds of non-libre drivers. So they have always been divergent from the philosophy of the FSF. If it helps to integrate in the mainstream, it's okay. Unfortunately, proprietary drivers abound the mainstream (e.g. flash) and thats where the big problem is. One can't be exclusivist and neither we can expect the ordinary users to be. I think HTML 5 is a big step in this direction to get rid of adobe branded crapware for good. And Canonical have stated their objective of moving towards open core with Unity being a first step, which means more proprietary extensions are to be expected.lop And from http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html Brilliant write up. Canonical, Ltd. refuses to promise to keep the software copylefted and never proprietarize it It doesn't matter if they haven't gone/never go proprietary, the very fact that they want copyright assignments without giving up their rights to ship proprietary/non-libre versions of the software speaks volumes about where they stand in terms of their commitment to libre software. Exactly. Unfortunately, certain section of readers are unable to grasp this subtle distinction. Thanks for pointing this out :) The idea behind raking up this issue is that although this group is full of smart people but we need to do more instead of cutting each other's throat in philosophical banter. Linux offers a reasonable choice of distros, their work arounds and a helpful community. However, the challanges in India are different. Because of pathetic infrastructure, digital divide is a reality that would get worse with time. We can't let a corporation get better off by sucking up the free contributions and pushing their own version of ecosystem. This is the point that needs to be addressed. Kingsly -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
On 04/07/2011 01:59 PM, Kingsly John wrote: You should probably read things again with an open mind. Just because this is the Ubuntu-IN list doesn't mean we don't have the right to criticize things we don't agree with. I never said you cannot criticize. Even FUD can be disguised to be personal opinion. Did he explain how it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian and GNU ? He did not! And while FSF says it is okay to pay for libre software, they don't advocate paying/using propreitary software. Did I claim this? They just don't have problems. They have clearly said that Free means libre to them and not gratis. Ubuntu has allowed installing all kinds of non-libre drivers. So they have always been divergent from the philosophy of the FSF. You taking away the freedom of installing non-libre driver makes a distro more free? Before Squeeze Debian too had non-free bits in their kernel which was fine. FSF's ideals are too tough to follow and be relevant at the same time (at this age) Same goes with Debian. Zach has clearly said that they disagree with RMS's stand on contrib repo. And Canonical have stated their objective of moving towards open core with Unity being a first step, which means more proprietary extensions are to be expected. And from http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17/shuttleworth-admits-it.html Did you read this post 10 times? It is a SHITLOAD of LIES and FUD. Qt was not an open-core model but a dual-licensing model. Even RMS said somewhere that selling exceptions is OK. Mark had praised (in the IRC session) Trolltech for their model in which they provide Qt for FOSS community and sell exceptions and sustain themselves. This was a good way of making sure that Qt development continues. Later I learnt from Kuhn supporters that he has apologized for his mistake. I cannot find his apology anywhere. Canonical, Ltd. refuses to promise to keep the software copylefted and never proprietarize it It doesn't matter if they haven't gone/never go proprietary, the very fact that they want copyright assignments without giving up their rights to ship proprietary/non-libre versions of the software speaks volumes about where they stand in terms of their commitment to libre software. I am not a Canonical employee. Catch one and talk to him on this matter. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
On 04/07/2011 02:48 PM, Stereotactic wrote: Thats good. Still, it's main flagship was always Gnome and hence there are The most important upstream is still Debian, not GNOME (some-one please correct me if wrong) There was a talk about how little Canonical has supported Gnome (1% of the code base or whatever); it's all over the net so I wouldn't really bother to prove my point. Did you see it? I don't think you can because no such talk exists. It was a blog post by Dave Neary. If you understand the ecosystem so well, then you should be knowing that it was a blog post and who posted it and when it was posted. Instead you start with There was a talk.. The thread is *NOT* about rolling release. Please. It was, I repeat again, the role of LUG's to spread the word for libre software. Despite it's existence, I barely see any activity; heck, its not even mentioned in the mainstream media. How many of us have made *ANY* effort to work on those lines? Having a website or IRC presence alone does not count, IMHO. This discussion started from the best option is still to move on to the roots; i.e. Debian and I am downloading the rolling release. Where did LUG come in picture? You were talking about Linux Mint and Ubuntu's Update Manager. :) First there is none; then there is development version. Okay :) It isn't calling a rolling release so it does not exist. Using Development versions you can get the feel of rolling release The idea is against proprietary standards. Against the concept of paid software in the base operating system. I *repeat again* that no one objects to Ubuntu One as a cloud service where users *may* pay for whatever or if they are so concerned about syncing issues. Neither does anyone object if there is anything for paid support. No one objects? Are you sure? Paying for GPL software is also not wrong. People do pay. Humble Indie bundle. But it's against the proprietary standards and as I mentioned, stiffling EULA's that are bound to come with it, one day or other. Which proprietary standards? Example please. In the long run, it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian and GNU. How? All I find is talk and no evidence. You know when we talk about Free we mean libre and not gratis. Please head to http://gnu.org for more information Again, it has no relevance to you assertions. Please try and understand this. Canonical is profiteering from free code turning on proprietary standards without contribution back to community. You still fail to explain how it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian and GNU The license is also Terms and conditions for using the software. I hope you know this. Free software license are also as fancy to the end-user as those 20 page long EULA. Have you ever looked how long the full GPLv2 license is? It's still copyleft. I hate copyright in any manner whatsoever because it's very nature is RESTRICTIVE. Sorry but the length of the licence has nothing to do with it :) At least, it doesn't incapacitate the user! GPL3/4/5 or whatever version may be 1000+ pages or whatever, still it keeps the freedom intact. You know without copyright, copyleft cannot exist? Sheesh! Do you even know what is copyright. It is a right or ownership. You probably hate the license under which those software are distributed. You know that all code under copyleft license is also copyrighted? Ha! Glad you did :) Ignorance is bliss :) Atleast, I made your day :) I just posted about your ignorance related to copyright and copyleft just above. Probably you made your own day. :) It has already moved towards Unity and slowly poisoning it's relation with other companies in the ecosystem refusing to play ball with others. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.. http://goo.gl/NoyJS :) http://imgur.com/kBhRq Hope this helps the attitude of some people :) Atleast I don't go around writing conspiracy theories and blasting off people (unless they spread FUD). Perhaps it has *balls* enough but the future is going to stormy for all of them. Reading this same shit for past 5 years. Nothing happened Reference to above quote; you are unlikely to see anything in the long run/future :) So I'd let that pass again. One sample: I have been hearing since day 1 that next release of Ubuntu will see a mass exodus. It see it for every release. Nothing happens. -- Manish -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
Thats Bad News. The only reason I am on this list and not on Fedora/any other distos's is the fact that when I didn't have a Internet connection and couldn't download, Ubuntu was the only one that would send me a CD. I asked for and received a CD from I think 6.04 onwards and they stopped sending me after 9.04 saying I have received quite a few. Fair enough. But not fair for those in places and countries where Internet download is impossible /too slow and people can't afford to buy the media. -- Regards Narendra Diwate -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Narendra Diwate narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote: Thats Bad News. The only reason I am on this list and not on Fedora/any other distos's is the fact that when I didn't have a Internet connection and couldn't download, Ubuntu was the only one that would send me a CD. I asked for and received a CD from I think 6.04 onwards and they stopped sending me after 9.04 saying I have received quite a few. Fair enough. But not fair for those in places and countries where Internet download is impossible /too slow and people can't afford to buy the media. a registered LUG can request for CD's to be distributed by them. ram -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
On 04/07/2011 07:37 PM, Narendra Diwate wrote: Thats Bad News. The only reason I am on this list and not on Fedora/any other distos's is the fact that when I didn't have a Internet connection and couldn't download, Ubuntu was the only one that would send me a CD. I asked for and received a CD from I think 6.04 onwards and they stopped sending me after 9.04 saying I have received quite a few. Fair enough. But not fair for those in places and countries where Internet download is impossible /too slow and people can't afford to buy the media. When I was in college I was on 128Kbps connection which used to take some 16-18 hrs to download a 700MB ISO. I made full use of it. Now I don't order since I have 2Mbps connection. If anyone is in Bangalore and has poor internet connection, then I can provide them with CDs - any *supported* version. -- Manish -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote: a registered LUG can request for CD's to be distributed by them. Yes, but how many new prospective users/fence sitters know about LUG's/Local vendors/where to try. I didn't. The only place I thought of then was IT mags with CD/DVD that MAY contain a Linux Distro and MAY contain one that I have heard/willing to try. -- Regards Narendra Diwate -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Manish Sinha m...@manishsinha.net wrote: When I was in college I was on 128Kbps connection which used to take some 16-18 hrs to download a 700MB ISO. Agree . Its just that many don't know how to download correctly. If they use their browser to download, then GOD save them if the download breaks. Regards Narendra Diwate -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Narendra Diwate narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Manish Sinha m...@manishsinha.net wrote: When I was in college I was on 128Kbps connection which used to take some 16-18 hrs to download a 700MB ISO. Agree . Its just that many don't know how to download correctly. If they use their browser to download, then GOD save them if the download breaks. I have a fast enough internet connection using which I can download whole CD for new release in 3-4 hours. I usually have Desktop and Alternate CDs for latest release (i386, Ubuntu only, not K/X/L) on release day. I am pretty sure there are few others with same download capacity. What we need is a good way to distribute the CDs at minimal cost and a system to keep track of who has what. Should we focus on developing some online app (as part of our website) to do this? I am fine with wiki based tracking. Onkar -- Passion - Some people climb mountains - others write Free software. Don't ask why - the reason is the same. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] [Problem] Tikona WiBro not working anymore
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Rahul Ghose hansum.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Tikona WiBro worked flawlessly a few weeks ago. I have a BaseStation installed on my terrace from where a LAN wire leads down to my room. The LAN wire joins the Charger, the Charger has an outlet from where another LAN wire comes out and into my LAN Card. My problem is that no IP is assigned to my machine. Tikona, uses DHCP and running dhclient as root on my Ubuntu 10.10 is of no help. No route is created as well. To access Tikona internet I needed to go to: 1.254.254.254 and login to their portal after which I was connected to the internet. Right now, the IP address results in host not found error. It works on Windows XP, which is what I am using to send this mail. Can someone please help me out ? No idea how Tikona works. But here is my advice. Is Windows also using DHCP mode? If yes then I am surprised that it is not working in Ubuntu. If Windows is not using DHCP then why not? Did you change some configuration recently? Did some tech support guy change it either directly at your home or remotely (if that is possible). Did you try setting a static IP in Ubuntu from the range 1.254.254.x where 1 x 254? Let me know if the quest to find answers to these questions helps you anyway. Onkar -- Passion - Some people climb mountains - others write Free software. Don't ask why - the reason is the same. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program
On 04/07/2011 07:57 PM, Narendra Diwate wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com mailto:ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote: a registered LUG can request for CD's to be distributed by them. Yes, but how many new prospective users/fence sitters know about LUG's/Local vendors/where to try. I didn't. The only place I thought of then was IT mags with CD/DVD that MAY contain a Linux Distro and MAY contain one that I have heard/willing to try. Exactly. Many new comes are not aware of this pleasant discussion here :) Thats one thing I rallied about till it got hijacked :) No offence meant!!! It's a bad sign but can't be helped though. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
[Ubuntu-QC] Suspend/Resume
Salut à tous, sur mon laptop Acer Aspire 5535, j'utilise Windows Vista et la fonction Suspend et tout le système arrête, l'écran s'éteint, le ventilateur cesse de fonctionner. Et quand je pèse une touche du clavier ou si je bouge la souris, le système se rallume et je peux continuer à travailler. Bien, j'ai installé Ubuntu 10.10 avec Wubi et je peux suspendre, mais je ne peux retravailler, car même si le disque dur et le ventilateur se rallume, l'écran lui ne se rallume jamais et je sus obligé de fermer l'ordinateur en maintenant le bouton d'allumage enfoncé pour 4 secondes environ. Je dois rebooter à ce moment. La fonction Resume ne fonctionne pas. J'ai cherché mais je ne trouve toujours pas la solution. Des idées? Merci. JB -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Quelles sont vos optimisations favorites sur Ubuntu 10.10 ?
On 11-04-06 06:21 PM, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote: 2011/4/6 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@ubuntu.com: Bonjour, J'ai récemment préparé plusieurs postes (bureau, pas laptop) Ubuntu pour louer à un client. Sur ces postes, j'ai procédé comme suit: [...] - Login automatique et retrait de certains logiciels au démarrage (ex: alarme Evolution, Bluetooth, etc.) Tu veux dire les enlever de la liste d'applications à démarrer à l'ouverture de session? Oui. Pas certain que ceci s'applique si bien au contexte preseed pour des magasins, si ca va pour des entreprises. De mon côté, désactiver bluetooth en entreprise c'est acceptable, mais l'alarme Evolution, j'aimerais mieux la garder (surtout en tenant en comptes des entreprises qui on probablement un système de courriels et calendriers comme Exchange, ou un des groupware...) En effet, on ne peut pas tout faire automatiquement, en tout cas pas à partir du preseed. Ici je parle de bureaux qui sont destinés à la vente ou location, mais c'est du cas par cas (selon l'environnement). J'ai aussi préparé une feuille avec des précisions sur le démarrage, l'encryption et des raccourcis clavier (genre: Window+S, etc.). Quel genre d'informations ajoutes-tu au sujet de l'encryption? C'est surtout par curiosité, je ne vois pas beaucoup de détails à y ajouter en cas de full-disk. Si on combine le full-disk et le chiffrement des répertoires il y a des subtilités dont il faut tenir compte, rien de majeur (ç©a tient sur une feuille) mais j'aime bien inclure l'information. Genre: Si vous tentez la remise à zéro des mots de passe par le menu récupération, vous risquez la perte définitive de vos donneés car elles sont chiffrées. Pour changer votre mot de passe...[...] Un mot de passe vous sera demandé au démarrage. Il est indiqué dans la partie détachable de ce feuillet. Gardez-le en lieu sûr... etc. Ça fait surtout parties des politiques de sécurité interne, selon le client. Je me demandais quelles autres optimisations / améliorations vous avez apporté à votre poste 10.10 jusqu'à maintenant ? J'y ajouterais une requête additionnelle: si vous incluez des modifications nécessitant l'utilisation d'un PPA *quelconque*, dites nous pourquoi vous croyez que c'est indispensable. Je suis curieux des détails, question de pouvoir proposer des inclusions à la distribution plus tard. En effet! En ce moment je n'en vois que deux: - Firefox 4 (surtout pour les 10.04 LTS) - LibreOffice Il y a aussi Thunderbird, Chromium et d'autres non-libres comme Dropbox mais c'est moins fréquent. Ce site fait un excellent travail pour fournir des liens rapides à l'information pertinente (changelogs, PPA de sources différentes, etc): http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ De mon côté, je suggère d'utiliser redshift pour les laptops ;) Si vous ne connaissez pas, regardez: https://launchpad.net/redshift Ah, je le connaissais, en effet c'est un bon ajout! Par contre c'est un truc tellement peu connu qu'il faut l'expliquer (nouveauté vs. résistance au changement vs. formation...). Merci pour toute précision, j'ai proposé un modèle à quelques magasins informatiques et je voudrais en faire éventuellement un preseed facile Vas-tu rendre ce preseed public? L'est-il déjà? Pour l'instant j'ai seulement un script mais pour le preseed la seule compllication est le chiffrement complet du disque. Je cherche la recette et oui, j'ai l'intention de le rendre public. A+ Fabian -- Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MagicFab ~ Local Community (LoCo) team contact pour Ubuntu Québec http://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
[ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
Hi, for now, instead of getting a Slate, I found a computer, that will be better for what I need at the moment. The specs are:- Acer Aspire 5736Z Pentium Dual Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz RAM 3.00 GB 64 bit Windows 7 Premium I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Thanks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
I doubt it. The specs look fine to me. Only thing is that unless you plan on adding more than an extra 1gb of RAM, you won't see much benefit running 64bit instead of 32 Bodsda Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 13:18:37 To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer...Ubuntu install help Hi, for now, instead of getting a Slate, I found a computer, that will be better for what I need at the moment. The specs are:- Acer Aspire 5736Z Pentium Dual Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz RAM 3.00 GB 64 bit Windows 7 Premium I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Thanks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, for now, instead of getting a Slate, I found a computer, that will be better for what I need at the moment. The specs are:- Acer Aspire 5736Z Pentium Dual Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz RAM 3.00 GB 64 bit Windows 7 Premium I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Processors have been 64 bit for quite some time now! Don't worry - that won't cause you a problem. With this machine, unless you're planning on upgrading the RAM in the future, you can jsut install the 32 bit Kernel and you won't see any differrence. -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
Yep, I'd second that view too, I've installed 64bit with no issues before now on a lower spec machine too. But don't think there's anything too bad going with 32bit. Lee. On 07/04/2011 13:27, bod...@googlemail.com wrote: I doubt it. The specs look fine to me. Only thing is that unless you plan on adding more than an extra 1gb of RAM, you won't see much benefit running 64bit instead of 32 Bodsda Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: scoundrel50ascoundrel...@gmail.com Sender: ubuntu-uk-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 13:18:37 To:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Reply-To: UK Ubuntu Talkubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer...Ubuntu install help Hi, for now, instead of getting a Slate, I found a computer, that will be better for what I need at the moment. The specs are:- Acer Aspire 5736Z Pentium Dual Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz RAM 3.00 GB 64 bit Windows 7 Premium I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Thanks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 07/04/2011 13:18, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, for now, instead of getting a Slate, I found a computer, that will be better for what I need at the moment. The specs are:- Acer Aspire 5736Z Pentium Dual Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz RAM 3.00 GB 64 bit Windows 7 Premium I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Thanks We've just bought 2 new laptops, a HP G72 http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5084849/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7COffice%2C+PCs+and+phones%7C14418968/c_2/2%7C14418968%7CLaptops+and+netbooks%7C14419039.htm an Asus A52F http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/asus-a52f-ex911v-red-laptop-08702336-pdt.html I've installed on the HP with only one minor problem (wireless didn't work OTB, but an update of packages solved that, everything else has worked OTB. For the Asus, I've tried a live USB and everything seems to work OTB. Both are 64 bit. I've not had any problems with different apps, I've got flash skype working with no problems, the only thing that doesn't work is the free version of minecraft. Hope that helps. Dave -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
scoundrel50a wrote: I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Back in the day, Adobe Flash on amd64 was iffy, but latterly it appears to be fine. Certainly I've not had cause to wish I'd installed 386 in the past few years. I don't remember the last time I installed 386 on a non-server. Even so, if you do decide for some reason that you'd prefer the 32-bit x86 install of Ubuntu, you can just install it on an amd64 processor. Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
Thanks everybody. I was thinking of adding some more RAM, to make it faster. I will give it a try with the 64 bit. Thanks again. On 07/04/2011 13:28, Steve Flynn wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scoundrel50ascoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, for now, instead of getting a Slate, I found a computer, that will be better for what I need at the moment. The specs are:- Acer Aspire 5736Z Pentium Dual Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz RAM 3.00 GB 64 bit Windows 7 Premium I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Processors have been 64 bit for quite some time now! Don't worry - that won't cause you a problem. With this machine, unless you're planning on upgrading the RAM in the future, you can jsut install the 32 bit Kernel and you won't see any differrence. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 13:28 +0100, Steve Flynn wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, for now, instead of getting a Slate, I found a computer, that will be better for what I need at the moment. The specs are:- Acer Aspire 5736Z Pentium Dual Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz RAM 3.00 GB 64 bit Windows 7 Premium I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Processors have been 64 bit for quite some time now! Don't worry - that won't cause you a problem. With this machine, unless you're planning on upgrading the RAM in the future, you can jsut install the 32 bit Kernel and you won't see any differrence. -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. I have run 64bit for a while, there are only a couple of apps that ever play up flash and wine. Wine is now working well on Maverick and above and flash well it's flash it's a 50/50 chance on it working fully or not on any linux arch. -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 13:44 +0100, Dave Morley wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 13:28 +0100, Steve Flynn wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, for now, instead of getting a Slate, I found a computer, that will be better for what I need at the moment. The specs are:- Acer Aspire 5736Z Pentium Dual Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz RAM 3.00 GB 64 bit Windows 7 Premium I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Processors have been 64 bit for quite some time now! Don't worry - that won't cause you a problem. With this machine, unless you're planning on upgrading the RAM in the future, you can jsut install the 32 bit Kernel and you won't see any differrence. -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. I have run 64bit for a while, there are only a couple of apps that ever play up flash and wine. Wine is now working well on Maverick and above and Sorry about that no idea why it sent the full one and a part completed one bad evolution -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
Hi Avi and Dave, now I'm unsure. If I increased the RAM would that be a problem with installing 32 on here? I'm glad I asked now. I think if its better to install 32 bit, I would rather that. On 07/04/2011 13:35, Avi Greenbury wrote: scoundrel50a wrote: I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Back in the day, Adobe Flash on amd64 was iffy, but latterly it appears to be fine. Certainly I've not had cause to wish I'd installed 386 in the past few years. I don't remember the last time I installed 386 on a non-server. Even so, if you do decide for some reason that you'd prefer the 32-bit x86 install of Ubuntu, you can just install it on an amd64 processor. Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 07/04/2011 13:46, Dave Morley wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 13:44 +0100, Dave Morley wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 13:28 +0100, Steve Flynn wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scoundrel50ascoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, for now, instead of getting a Slate, I found a computer, that will be better for what I need at the moment. The specs are:- Acer Aspire 5736Z Pentium Dual Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz RAM 3.00 GB 64 bit Windows 7 Premium I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Processors have been 64 bit for quite some time now! Don't worry - that won't cause you a problem. With this machine, unless you're planning on upgrading the RAM in the future, you can jsut install the 32 bit Kernel and you won't see any differrence. -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. I have run 64bit for a while, there are only a couple of apps that ever play up flash and wine. Wine is now working well on Maverick and above and Sorry about that no idea why it sent the full one and a part completed one bad evolution Which version should I install, Would it be worth installed the beta version, or Macverick? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 7 April 2011 13:46, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: now I'm unsure. If I increased the RAM would that be a problem with installing 32 on here? I'm glad I asked now. It would not be a problem. 32-bit Ubuntu can address lots of memory, just like 64-bit can. I think if its better to install 32 bit, I would rather that. For the average user most people only notice when stuff goes wrong. In my experience the stuff that goes wrong on 64-bit is the proprietary rubbish like flash. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 07/04/2011 13:46, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi Avi and Dave, now I'm unsure. If I increased the RAM would that be a problem with installing 32 on here? I'm glad I asked now. I think if its better to install 32 bit, I would rather that. On 07/04/2011 13:35, Avi Greenbury wrote: scoundrel50a wrote: I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Back in the day, Adobe Flash on amd64 was iffy, but latterly it appears to be fine. Certainly I've not had cause to wish I'd installed 386 in the past few years. I don't remember the last time I installed 386 on a non-server. Even so, if you do decide for some reason that you'd prefer the 32-bit x86 install of Ubuntu, you can just install it on an amd64 processor. Avi It's not a problem installing 32bit on a machine with ~3.5GB ram... rather the memory after the ~3.5GB or so is not dedicated to system resources; rather, system resources have used up the remaining memory *addresses*, so the memory cannot be seen nor used by anything, as it has no address. When 2GB RAM is installed, system components taking up 1GB or so of addresses has no effect, as there are 4GB of addresses in total, meaning 3GB of addresses are left available for the 2GB of RAM. At least that's my understanding...as for beta / stable... personal choice I guess it depends what you want to do? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 13:50 +0100, scoundrel50a wrote: On 07/04/2011 13:46, Dave Morley wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 13:44 +0100, Dave Morley wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 13:28 +0100, Steve Flynn wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scoundrel50ascoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, for now, instead of getting a Slate, I found a computer, that will be better for what I need at the moment. The specs are:- Acer Aspire 5736Z Pentium Dual Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz RAM 3.00 GB 64 bit Windows 7 Premium I want to install Ubuntu, but i'm a bit concerned about the fact its 64bit, and having read a few peoples problems when trying to install. Just wondered would there be any problems with the installation with this computer? Processors have been 64 bit for quite some time now! Don't worry - that won't cause you a problem. With this machine, unless you're planning on upgrading the RAM in the future, you can jsut install the 32 bit Kernel and you won't see any differrence. -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. I have run 64bit for a while, there are only a couple of apps that ever play up flash and wine. Wine is now working well on Maverick and above and Sorry about that no idea why it sent the full one and a part completed one bad evolution Which version should I install, Would it be worth installed the beta version, or Macverick? Personally if you are unsure I'd download the iso's for both run them in try me mode (it will be slower) but you'll see how the hardware reacts and also which you prefer. It's worth trying beta if only to report bugs and issues so hopefully they can be fixed before release. -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 7 April 2011 13:50, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Which version should I install, Would it be worth installed the beta version, or Macverick? I wouldn't recommend anyone installs Natty (the development/beta release) now, unless they were very competent with Linux/Ubuntu and they're happy work around brokenness. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 7 April 2011 13:54, Lee Williams lee.willy1977.willi...@gmail.com wrote: It's not a problem installing 32bit on a machine with ~3.5GB ram... rather the memory after the ~3.5GB or so is not dedicated to system resources; rather, system resources have used up the remaining memory *addresses*, so the memory cannot be seen nor used by anything, as it has no address. When 2GB RAM is installed, system components taking up 1GB or so of addresses has no effect, as there are 4GB of addresses in total, meaning 3GB of addresses are left available for the 2GB of RAM. I had to read that a few times, and it still makes no sense. Fact is an install of Ubuntu on 32-bit system _can_ see and _use_ all of the RAM. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
scoundrel50a wrote: now I'm unsure. If I increased the RAM would that be a problem with installing 32 on here? I'm glad I asked now. Nope, no problems. A 32-bit processor can only address about 3.5GB of ram natively, 64-bit processors can address some incomprehensibly large amount of memory. There's a technique which effectively extends 32 bit processors such that they can address 64GB of memory. This requires support in both the CPU and the operating system - linux kernels that use it are sometimes often 'bigmem'. All processors have shipped with PAE support for quite some time, and Ubuntu comes with it. -- Avi. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 07/04/2011 14:05, Avi Greenbury wrote: scoundrel50a wrote: now I'm unsure. If I increased the RAM would that be a problem with installing 32 on here? I'm glad I asked now. Nope, no problems. A 32-bit processor can only address about 3.5GB of ram natively, 64-bit processors can address some incomprehensibly large amount of memory. There's a technique which effectively extends 32 bit processors such that they can address 64GB of memory. This requires support in both the CPU and the operating system - linux kernels that use it are sometimes often 'bigmem'. All processors have shipped with PAE support for quite some time, and Ubuntu comes with it. One question though, I am having to create an ubuntu disc from a Windows computer, and not done that before. What is the best software to make an Ubuntu disc? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 7 April 2011 14:13, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: One question though, I am having to create an ubuntu disc from a Windows computer, and not done that before. What is the best software to make an Ubuntu disc? The ubuntu.com website has instructions on the download page. http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download Step 2 - Show me how button on the right. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
scoundrel50a wrote: One question though, I am having to create an ubuntu disc from a Windows computer, and not done that before. What is the best software to make an Ubuntu disc? I used to use InfraRecorder, which appears to still exist: http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net -- Avi. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 13:28 +0100, Steve Flynn wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:18 PM, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, for now, instead of getting a Slate, I found a computer, that will be better for what I need at the moment. I'm holding out for the new Commodore 64 :) Dianne -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 07/04/2011 14:20, Avi Greenbury wrote: scoundrel50a wrote: One question though, I am having to create an ubuntu disc from a Windows computer, and not done that before. What is the best software to make an Ubuntu disc? I used to use InfraRecorder, which appears to still exist: http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net Popey: Avi made the point on addresses / PAE far more clearly than I did - thanks Avi As for windows and burning ISO's I've used magic ISO with no issues before now too...http://www.magiciso.com/ Regards, Lee. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
Burnt disc, then rebooted, but wasnt recognised by computer and windows started. Do I need to do anything else. Read the instructions Popey gave but it says computer should recognise the disc and start. On 07/04/2011 14:31, Lee Williams wrote: On 07/04/2011 14:20, Avi Greenbury wrote: scoundrel50a wrote: One question though, I am having to create an ubuntu disc from a Windows computer, and not done that before. What is the best software to make an Ubuntu disc? I used to use InfraRecorder, which appears to still exist: http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net Popey: Avi made the point on addresses / PAE far more clearly than I did - thanks Avi As for windows and burning ISO's I've used magic ISO with no issues before now too...http://www.magiciso.com/ Regards, Lee. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
scoundrel50a wrote: Burnt disc, then rebooted, but wasnt recognised by computer and windows started. Do I need to do anything else. Read the instructions Popey gave but it says computer should recognise the disc and start. Ah yeah, that page doesn't mention computers where the CD isn't the first boot device. Right at the beginning of the boot, before Windows starts up, you should see a message telling you of the key to press to go into setup, and the key to press for a boot menu. Usually, one of these is the 'delete' key. If, at that point, you press the key for the boot menu, you should be presented with a list of devices to boot from; you should choose the drive with the CD in it. Generally, those prompts don't appear for very long any more, so you'll probably see it on one boot, then need to reboot to be able to press it actually inside of the tiny space of time it'll pay attention to it. -- Avi. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 72, Issue 11
On 07/04/11 14:04, ubuntu-uk-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote: On 7 April 2011 13:54, Lee Williamslee.willy1977.willi...@gmail.com wrote: It's not a problem installing 32bit on a machine with ~3.5GB ram... rather the memory after the ~3.5GB or so is not dedicated to system resources; rather, system resources have used up the remaining memory*addresses*, so the memory cannot be seen nor used by anything, as it has no address. When 2GB RAM is installed, system components taking up 1GB or so of addresses has no effect, as there are 4GB of addresses in total, meaning 3GB of addresses are left available for the 2GB of RAM. I had to read that a few times, and it still makes no sense. Fact is an install of Ubuntu on 32-bit system_can_ see and_use_ all of the RAM. Al. I run 8gb of ram on my laptop (64 Bit) and Ubuntu recognises 7.5gb of it, Not too sure what you guys are getting at to be honest. Won't he be fine with the amounts he intends to add? Dave smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 72, Issue 11
On 07/04/2011 15:28, Dave Hanson wrote: On 07/04/11 14:04, ubuntu-uk-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote: On 7 April 2011 13:54, Lee Williamslee.willy1977.willi...@gmail.com wrote: It's not a problem installing 32bit on a machine with ~3.5GB ram... rather the memory after the ~3.5GB or so is not dedicated to system resources; rather, system resources have used up the remaining memory*addresses*, so the memory cannot be seen nor used by anything, as it has no address. When 2GB RAM is installed, system components taking up 1GB or so of addresses has no effect, as there are 4GB of addresses in total, meaning 3GB of addresses are left available for the 2GB of RAM. I had to read that a few times, and it still makes no sense. Fact is an install of Ubuntu on 32-bit system_can_ see and_use_ all of the RAM. Al. I run 8gb of ram on my laptop (64 Bit) and Ubuntu recognises 7.5gb of it, Not too sure what you guys are getting at to be honest. Won't he be fine with the amounts he intends to add? Dave Hi, Sorry if I've caused confusion. I've not tested it with Ubuntu but a kernel running with PAE (Physical Address Extension) supported and enabled on a processor that supports PAE too will allow a user to have up to ~64GB of memory and the system will see and use all of that. The ~4GB limit is an historic limit for 32bit processors due to the memory addresses available to it... however see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension for more information on what PAE does to get around it. PAE is not needed with a 64 bit processor on 64bit implementation on your OS as the memory addresses available bring the limit up to if I remember correctly around 256TB... :o Hope that clarifies it, again sorry if I've caused confusion. Regards, Lee. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 72, Issue 11
On 07/04/11 15:55, Lee Williams wrote: On 07/04/2011 15:28, Dave Hanson wrote: On 07/04/11 14:04, ubuntu-uk-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote: On 7 April 2011 13:54, Lee Williamslee.willy1977.willi...@gmail.com wrote: It's not a problem installing 32bit on a machine with ~3.5GB ram... rather the memory after the ~3.5GB or so is not dedicated to system resources; rather, system resources have used up the remaining memory*addresses*, so the memory cannot be seen nor used by anything, as it has no address. When 2GB RAM is installed, system components taking up 1GB or so of addresses has no effect, as there are 4GB of addresses in total, meaning 3GB of addresses are left available for the 2GB of RAM. I had to read that a few times, and it still makes no sense. Fact is an install of Ubuntu on 32-bit system_can_ see and_use_ all of the RAM. Al. I run 8gb of ram on my laptop (64 Bit) and Ubuntu recognises 7.5gb of it, Not too sure what you guys are getting at to be honest. Won't he be fine with the amounts he intends to add? Dave Hi, Sorry if I've caused confusion. I've not tested it with Ubuntu but a kernel running with PAE (Physical Address Extension) supported and enabled on a processor that supports PAE too will allow a user to have up to ~64GB of memory and the system will see and use all of that. The ~4GB limit is an historic limit for 32bit processors due to the memory addresses available to it... however see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension for more information on what PAE does to get around it. PAE is not needed with a 64 bit processor on 64bit implementation on your OS as the memory addresses available bring the limit up to if I remember correctly around 256TB... :o Hope that clarifies it, again sorry if I've caused confusion. Regards, Lee. Well, I installed 64 bit in the end. The first time didnt work, and had to abandon the install. The second time has worked, and so far, both windows and Ubuntu seem to be working. I just need to install everything I need on Ubuntu, and check to see if the Flash works, and Sharing works and I'll be a very happy bunny. I just want to say thanks to everybody who helped. I really appreciate it. Thank you. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 07/04/11 13:41, scoundrel50a wrote: Thanks everybody. I was thinking of adding some more RAM, to make it faster. I will give it a try with the 64 bit. To be honest I'm not sure extra RAM will make it much faster, not unless you're running shed loads at once. I have a 2Ghz Core 2 Duo and 4GB Ram and I don't notice any major real speed difference in day to day stuff than I do from my 1.4Ghz Core 2 Duo work laptop with 2GB Ram. Plus you can use 4GB RAM with 32-Bit without any problems (and yes you see the full 4GB unlike with 32-Bit Vista and Windows 7 where it only uses 3.25GB). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 07/04/11 14:49, scoundrel50a wrote: Burnt disc, then rebooted, but wasnt recognised by computer and windows started. Do I need to do anything else. Read the instructions Popey gave but it says computer should recognise the disc and start. Try pressing F12 on the Acer startup screen, it should ask you which device you want to boot from. Either that press F2 (I think, it is on my Acer, might be F1 possibly) to go into the BIOS and set the CD/DVD drive as the primary boot device. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New omputer.......Ubuntu install help
On 7 April 2011 14:49, scoundrel50a scoundrel...@gmail.com wrote: Burnt disc, then rebooted, but wasnt recognised by computer and windows started. Do I need to do anything else. Read the instructions Popey gave but it says computer should recognise the disc and start. Hello, usually when you start your computer, if you keep tapping F12 it brings up an options list. Sometimes it's F8. It varies tbh. -- Regards, Kris Douglas. T. 0845 004 2066 | M. 07728574285 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up!
After spending about two weekends and weekday evenings, basically all spare time, trying to get ubuntu10.10 then failing that, ubuntu9.10 with orca to install on a Dell Dimension system running a Pentium4 processor, I am tossing in the towel. The ubuntu live CD for 10.10 never once produced any sound although it went through the most elaborate mime I have ever seen of the booting process. You could hear the CDROM running and the laser mechanism could be heard zipping back and forth, obviously reading the disk, etc. At the end of about 5 minutes, things would quiet down and I hit Tab, then Enter, then Alt-F2 followed by orca and then Enter again. More rattling from the laser as if something was happening, but more dead silence. The Vinux3.0 and 3.1 CD's go through the same time-wasting tease, making one think that a working system is just minutes away, but the end result is the same as trying to boot the ubuntu10.10 CD. The sound chip set is good. Other disks such as the older Vinux2.1 bootable CD come right up talking. The ubuntu8.10 live CD plays the melody and cricket sounds as it boots up. The ubuntu9.10 live CD uses a different procedure to start orca and one does hear Welcome to orca. The running orca desktop is not quite healthy, however. It will randomly freeze, maybe 30 seconds; maybe 5 minutes; maybe an hour later, but at some point, one can hit a key, hear no response and it's all over and darned if this P.C. has no HW reset button. There are probably a couple of pins somewhere on the mother board, but I will have to get somebody to help find them and one shouldn't have to do a hardware reset often anyway. I installed ubuntu9.10 on the hard drive and got orca to talk after login, but after another random freeze, the system wants to go in to rescue mode. None of that talks so I may just end up giving up on orca for now, installing the old Vinux so as to get some use from the system, and waiting to see if ubuntu11 has any better discovery mechanisms to get the audio and orca running. During one time when things were running, I installed and ran memtester. There are 1.3 GB of RAM and a 2.7GHZ processor and it all seems to be working like it should. I know the hardware discovery mechanism is extremely tricky and I think that is where things are breaking down. When trying the ubuntu10.10 and Vinux3.x CD's which are based on ubuntu10.10, I get the impression that the hardware discovery mechanism reaches the wrong conclusion on my system and tries to work based on that. My dear wife has helped me go through the CMOS setup several times and we have verified that the CMOS knows the sound is on, that the hard drive is second behind the CDROM in boot order, the video is set to use the onboard chips and we have a 8-meg video buffer. There is really no other way to set it other than to choose a 1-meg buffer. I think we've done everything we can do and ubuntu10.10 refuses to play. Ubuntu9.10 plays, but blacks out and can't remember where it was, so to speak. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up!
Hey there Martin, do not give up yet. Have you asked your wife to look at the volume levels once you have booted the Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) live CD? I'm thinking that your sound hardware is recognized, however your sound is muted. I have seen this on occasion when installing Ubuntu from the live CD. In the cases I've come across, simply unmuting the sound once is enough to get everything up and running normally. I hope this is helpful if you get the chance to try again. Guy On 04/07/2011 10:21 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: After spending about two weekends and weekday evenings, basically all spare time, trying to get ubuntu10.10 then failing that, ubuntu9.10 with orca to install on a Dell Dimension system running a Pentium4 processor, I am tossing in the towel. The ubuntu live CD for 10.10 never once produced any sound although it went through the most elaborate mime I have ever seen of the booting process. You could hear the CDROM running and the laser mechanism could be heard zipping back and forth, obviously reading the disk, etc. At the end of about 5 minutes, things would quiet down and I hit Tab, then Enter, then Alt-F2 followed by orca and then Enter again. More rattling from the laser as if something was happening, but more dead silence. The Vinux3.0 and 3.1 CD's go through the same time-wasting tease, making one think that a working system is just minutes away, but the end result is the same as trying to boot the ubuntu10.10 CD. The sound chip set is good. Other disks such as the older Vinux2.1 bootable CD come right up talking. The ubuntu8.10 live CD plays the melody and cricket sounds as it boots up. The ubuntu9.10 live CD uses a different procedure to start orca and one does hear Welcome to orca. The running orca desktop is not quite healthy, however. It will randomly freeze, maybe 30 seconds; maybe 5 minutes; maybe an hour later, but at some point, one can hit a key, hear no response and it's all over and darned if this P.C. has no HW reset button. There are probably a couple of pins somewhere on the mother board, but I will have to get somebody to help find them and one shouldn't have to do a hardware reset often anyway. I installed ubuntu9.10 on the hard drive and got orca to talk after login, but after another random freeze, the system wants to go in to rescue mode. None of that talks so I may just end up giving up on orca for now, installing the old Vinux so as to get some use from the system, and waiting to see if ubuntu11 has any better discovery mechanisms to get the audio and orca running. During one time when things were running, I installed and ran memtester. There are 1.3 GB of RAM and a 2.7GHZ processor and it all seems to be working like it should. I know the hardware discovery mechanism is extremely tricky and I think that is where things are breaking down. When trying the ubuntu10.10 and Vinux3.x CD's which are based on ubuntu10.10, I get the impression that the hardware discovery mechanism reaches the wrong conclusion on my system and tries to work based on that. My dear wife has helped me go through the CMOS setup several times and we have verified that the CMOS knows the sound is on, that the hard drive is second behind the CDROM in boot order, the video is set to use the onboard chips and we have a 8-meg video buffer. There is really no other way to set it other than to choose a 1-meg buffer. I think we've done everything we can do and ubuntu10.10 refuses to play. Ubuntu9.10 plays, but blacks out and can't remember where it was, so to speak. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Installing ubuntu desktop- I Give Up!
Hi, Yes, try seeing if the sound is muted when Ubuntu comes up, it's happened on an old HP notebook I had. As for 9.10, it's a nightmare with Orca. I had the most issues with that release and it should be avoided anyways as 10.10 is out. Alex On 4/7/11, Guy Schlosser guyster...@att.net wrote: Hey there Martin, do not give up yet. Have you asked your wife to look at the volume levels once you have booted the Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) live CD? I'm thinking that your sound hardware is recognized, however your sound is muted. I have seen this on occasion when installing Ubuntu from the live CD. In the cases I've come across, simply unmuting the sound once is enough to get everything up and running normally. I hope this is helpful if you get the chance to try again. Guy On 04/07/2011 10:21 AM, Martin McCormick wrote: After spending about two weekends and weekday evenings, basically all spare time, trying to get ubuntu10.10 then failing that, ubuntu9.10 with orca to install on a Dell Dimension system running a Pentium4 processor, I am tossing in the towel. The ubuntu live CD for 10.10 never once produced any sound although it went through the most elaborate mime I have ever seen of the booting process. You could hear the CDROM running and the laser mechanism could be heard zipping back and forth, obviously reading the disk, etc. At the end of about 5 minutes, things would quiet down and I hit Tab, then Enter, then Alt-F2 followed by orca and then Enter again. More rattling from the laser as if something was happening, but more dead silence. The Vinux3.0 and 3.1 CD's go through the same time-wasting tease, making one think that a working system is just minutes away, but the end result is the same as trying to boot the ubuntu10.10 CD. The sound chip set is good. Other disks such as the older Vinux2.1 bootable CD come right up talking. The ubuntu8.10 live CD plays the melody and cricket sounds as it boots up. The ubuntu9.10 live CD uses a different procedure to start orca and one does hear Welcome to orca. The running orca desktop is not quite healthy, however. It will randomly freeze, maybe 30 seconds; maybe 5 minutes; maybe an hour later, but at some point, one can hit a key, hear no response and it's all over and darned if this P.C. has no HW reset button. There are probably a couple of pins somewhere on the mother board, but I will have to get somebody to help find them and one shouldn't have to do a hardware reset often anyway. I installed ubuntu9.10 on the hard drive and got orca to talk after login, but after another random freeze, the system wants to go in to rescue mode. None of that talks so I may just end up giving up on orca for now, installing the old Vinux so as to get some use from the system, and waiting to see if ubuntu11 has any better discovery mechanisms to get the audio and orca running. During one time when things were running, I installed and ran memtester. There are 1.3 GB of RAM and a 2.7GHZ processor and it all seems to be working like it should. I know the hardware discovery mechanism is extremely tricky and I think that is where things are breaking down. When trying the ubuntu10.10 and Vinux3.x CD's which are based on ubuntu10.10, I get the impression that the hardware discovery mechanism reaches the wrong conclusion on my system and tries to work based on that. My dear wife has helped me go through the CMOS setup several times and we have verified that the CMOS knows the sound is on, that the hard drive is second behind the CDROM in boot order, the video is set to use the onboard chips and we have a 8-meg video buffer. There is really no other way to set it other than to choose a 1-meg buffer. I think we've done everything we can do and ubuntu10.10 refuses to play. Ubuntu9.10 plays, but blacks out and can't remember where it was, so to speak. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Ubuntu Studio daily CD health check
This is a daily health check report on the Ubuntu Studio CD images. If you have any questions, contact Colin Watson cjwat...@ubuntu.com. ubuntustudio/daily: Uninstallable packages: apturl 0.4.2ubuntu5 produces uninstallable binaries: * apturl (amd64) gimp 2.6.11-1ubuntu5 produces uninstallable binaries: * gimp (amd64) gimp-gap 2.6.0+dfsg-1build1 produces uninstallable binaries: * gimp-gap (amd64) gimp-plugin-registry 3.5.1-1 produces uninstallable binaries: * gimp-plugin-registry (amd64) gmic 1.4.8.1+dfsg-2 produces uninstallable binaries: * gimp-gmic (amd64) gnome-user-docs 2.91.90+git20110306ubuntu1 produces uninstallable binaries: * gnome-user-guide (amd64) gwibber 3.0.0-0ubuntu2 produces uninstallable binaries: * gwibber (amd64) pywebkitgtk 1.1.8-1ubuntu2 produces uninstallable binaries: * python-webkit (amd64) shotwell 0.9.1-0ubuntu2 produces uninstallable binaries: * shotwell (amd64) software-center 3.1.25 produces uninstallable binaries: * software-center (amd64) ubufox 0.9~rc2-0ubuntu12 produces uninstallable binaries: * ubufox (amd64) * xul-ext-ubufox (amd64) ubuntu-docs 10.10.4 produces uninstallable binaries: * ubuntu-docs (amd64) ubuntu-sso-client 1.2.0-0ubuntu1 produces uninstallable binaries: * ubuntu-sso-client (amd64) ubuntuone-client 1.5.8-0ubuntu2 produces uninstallable binaries: * ubuntuone-client (amd64) ubuntuone-control-panel 0.9.4-0ubuntu1 produces uninstallable binaries: * python-ubuntuone-control-panel (amd64) * ubuntuone-control-panel (amd64) * ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk (amd64) ubuntustudio-meta 0.82 produces uninstallable binaries: * ubuntustudio-desktop (amd64) * ubuntustudio-graphics (amd64) * ubuntustudio-video (amd64) ufraw 0.16-3build2 produces uninstallable binaries: * gimp-ufraw (amd64) webkit 1.3.13-0ubuntu1 produces uninstallable binaries: * libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 (amd64) yelp 3.0.0-0ubuntu1 produces uninstallable binaries: * yelp (amd64) -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: jbicha wants to join
Dnia 2011-04-06, o godz. 12:26:59 Rodrigo Moya rodrigo.m...@canonical.com napisał(a): Oh yeah, mate. Something is wrong there, isn't? :D the mail was sent to ubuntu-desktop, which is the admin, not you :-) Of course, i know. To: ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: jbicha wants to join Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 01:09:34 - Reply-To: jer...@bicha.net Shoud be to mr Jeremy probably. By the way, Gnome3 is just great. We all gonna love it;) -- Regards, Piotr Drozdek -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
Hello all, I hear that next cycle we will probably be required to ship unity-2d, and with it Qt. This means we'll need yet another round of where to get the space from?. Next cycle we'll drop Python 2.6, but at the same time add Python 3, so the python-* library packages won't shrink. In the contrary, we'll have to ship python3 itself in addition. I don't think we'll manage to port everything to Python 3 next cycle, so we'll have to keep both. The only thing I still know of which people won't immediately miss is Perl, but removing it will mean to remove AppArmor and shiny debconf dialogs in software-center/synaptics. Aside from that we pretty much exhausted package content optimization. In the last years we fell victim to an ever-growing set of language runtimes and toolkits, but I realize that getting rid of each of them is hard. So if we want to keep adding new features without removing others, we might also eventually reconsider moving to 1 GB USB images and entirely stop shipping CD images (on mirrors/shop/Loco distribution, etc.) This would be something I would hate to do, but it seems reality is against our original design goals :-) Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Oneiric-Topic] Clean up language support
Priority: low Rediscuss the structure of language-support-* metapackages vs. language-selector's dynamic detection of missing packages; right now this is a wild mix, and I'd like to consistently use language-selector for everything. This is only little actual work, but needs a bit of thought first. Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: In the last years we fell victim to an ever-growing set of language runtimes and toolkits, but I realize that getting rid of each of them is hard. So if we want to keep adding new features without removing others, we might also eventually reconsider moving to 1 GB USB images and entirely stop shipping CD images (on mirrors/shop/Loco distribution, etc.) This would be something I would hate to do, but it seems reality is against our original design goals :-) While I like that the 700M CD image gives us a physical (as opposed to more or less arbitrary) limitation on the size of our images, another benefit of not shipping CD images would be performance. Booting Ubuntu off of an actual CD is impressively slow these days; using a USB drive instead would give first-time users a better experience. - Evan -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 10:06 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : I hear that next cycle we will probably be required to ship unity-2d, and with it Qt. This means we'll need yet another round of where to get the space from?. Hi, We should probably discuss dropping classic GNOME (i.e the GNOME2 session) from the CD then if we do that. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3
Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 09:59 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : kind of obvious topic, but next cycle we'll need to move to GTK3 and GNOME3. Aside from the obvious update the package versions, I see the following particular challenges: Hello, (You stole my topic! ;-) Joke aside we should do the GNOME3 and GTK3 transition next cycle to be ready for the lts and it's likely to be quite some work. I agree on dropping the old patches we have when not required but we also need to think about what some of those mean for your user experience, we have quite some which have been added in reply to real needs we found that upstream didn't always address so we should at least have a least of things that will not apply and discuss whether it's find to drop them or we need to rewrite those. Random examples of things in this case: the keyboard layout indicator (or the other indicators which are patches over GNOME2 notification area icons), setting a default system layout from the keyboard capplet, etc Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 10:06:54AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: So if we want to keep adding new features without removing others, we might also eventually reconsider moving to 1 GB USB images and entirely stop shipping CD images (on mirrors/shop/Loco distribution, etc.) This would be something I would hate to do, but it seems reality is against our original design goals :-) Given the recent scaling back of shipit, it seems worth giving that some serious consideration. Bryce -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: I expect that in practice pretty much everyone uses usb-creator and USB sticks with the current ISOs anyway. The 700 MB limit still serves as a good boundary because with every 100 MB it grows we'll lose some people who are able to download the beast, and it'll also greatly reduce the pressure for us to not grow fat so quickly. One thing that does worry me is that if we increase the image size to 1G, we'll immediately come up with a long list of things to fill it with. And then we'll be in the same position again. Maybe it would be better if we expanded the image size slowly - 800M for O, 900M for P, or something similar - to make sure that we continue to think long-term when we add to the image. - Evan -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hello all, In the last years we fell victim to an ever-growing set of language runtimes and toolkits, but I realize that getting rid of each of them is hard. So if we want to keep adding new features without removing others, we might also eventually reconsider moving to 1 GB USB images and entirely stop shipping CD images (on mirrors/shop/Loco distribution, etc.) This would be something I would hate to do, but it seems reality is against our original design goals :-) This is something that we should realy be careful. I am speaking here with my a LoCo member hat on. It will give a real stop to many of our promotion activites if we cannot give CD to anyone who is interested. And proving usb media won't be possible due to the price gap. We might still have the dvd option (a dvd with 1Go iso) but it is clearly something to consider before making such move. But I completly trust you judgement Martin on that point. Christophe -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Integrate unity-2d/Qt / install media space
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:25, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 10:06 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : I hear that next cycle we will probably be required to ship unity-2d, and with it Qt. This means we'll need yet another round of where to get the space from?. Hi, We should probably discuss dropping classic GNOME (i.e the GNOME2 session) from the CD then if we do that. Cheers, Sebastien Bacher Sounds like a plausible path.. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 10:32 +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 09:59 +0200, Martin Pitt a écrit : kind of obvious topic, but next cycle we'll need to move to GTK3 and GNOME3. Aside from the obvious update the package versions, I see the following particular challenges: Hello, (You stole my topic! ;-) Joke aside we should do the GNOME3 and GTK3 transition next cycle to be ready for the lts and it's likely to be quite some work. Is Getting GNOME3 really worth it? GTK3 maybe for the parts which are required for Unity.. Several caplets have been removed, not just hiding options. (I'm sure you guys remember the GDM theming removal issue :p ) In GNOME3 even fonts cannot be changed easily. If we removing easy ways to change a details, Launchpad would be a *very* noisy for us. I dont think we might even get it in time for our LTS schedule.. (couldnt find any info regarding that.) If we compare the previous 10.04 LTS and what could be 12.04 LTS with GNOME3(3.0?/3.2?), there could be a lot of feature parity. Maybe it is better we wait for Gnome3 to mature a bit more before we jump into it.. -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Reducing number of patches in our packages
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodrigo.m...@canonical.com wrote: [...] So, for next cycle, I would suggest a small goal of trying to do patch upstreaming/cleaning days, maybe once a week or every 2 weeks. Great idea :) Also, some Ubuntu-specific patches, like the appindicators ones are duplicated in lots of packages, so it would be good if we could find a better way to make upstream apps use them, like, for instance, patching gtk_status_icon_* in GTK itself to use the indicators when available, instead of having to patch dozens of apps (and keep those patches up-to-date and working for every major version upgrade). Due to the complexity of keeping an UX that makes sense between using a standard menu and context menu, against having only one menu to use in indicators (to just name one constraint), I think it would be rather difficult to make patching GTK itself to handle indicators work properly.. and especially in a way that looks good. I certainly believe that indicator patches are upstreamable in many cases, and already know that Dan in open to including my indicator patch in nm-applet; I think we're getting close to that being completed too ;) Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre mathieu...@gmail.com Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu...@gmail.com 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Oneiric-Topic] Desktop-side networking enhancements
Hi all, As you may be aware, the next release will most likely bring in the new version of NetworkManager (0.9 now) with all kinds of fun stuff, like WiMAX and me porting the indicator patch to any changes that may have been made to nm-applet for 0.9, unless it makes it upstream before then ;) However, I think it also means it's the right time to look into further things that you may wish to see in the desktop environment to go with NetworkManager. Here I'm thinking about some of the things that came up before in bugs, brainstorm ideas, and the like: - NM integration with firewall configuration - NM integration with proxy configuration - Changing defaults for connection names/notifications/identification of devices - See http://blog.cyphermox.net/2011/03/idea-27250-auto-eth0-isnt-very-user.html I'd also like to turn on IPv6 in NM by default; with the obvious limitation that it won't block interfaces from coming up if there is no IPv6 available. I've limited myself to the *desktop* aspect of things here, but I'm obviously open to idea that won't just affect the Desktop flavour as well. So, any ideas and wild dreams? Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre mathieu...@ubuntu.com Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu...@gmail.com 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3
Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 11:22 +0200, Krzysztof Klimonda a écrit : Hmm.. I'd like to propose bringing back the idea of the Stracciatella session, and making it possible to get both GNOME3 and Gtk+3 applications to look and behave as close as possible to what users get in other distributions. Hi, The idea was never really dropped but it's not likely it will be an official focus for the team, contributions to help getting it working better are welcome though Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3
Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 17:00 +0530, Vishnoo a écrit : Is Getting GNOME3 really worth it? GTK3 maybe for the parts which are required for Unity.. Yes, we need to move away from old unmaintained and deprecated technology for their modern equivalent (gtk2 to gtk3, gconf to dconf, dbus-glib to gdbus) and the easier way to do that is to update to GNOME3. But as you said we need to check that we don't break on the way what we consider important to our users, that's what I mentioned in the other emails on that list, we should make a list of things that GNOME3 is deprecating and that we think should still be available for Ubuntu users and find a way to bring those back either by working on upstream to add them back or by finding equivalents or writing new code. -- Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 15:03 +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: Le jeudi 07 avril 2011 à 11:22 +0200, Krzysztof Klimonda a écrit : Hmm.. I'd like to propose bringing back the idea of the Stracciatella session, and making it possible to get both GNOME3 and Gtk+3 applications to look and behave as close as possible to what users get in other distributions. Hi, The idea was never really dropped but it's not likely it will be an official focus for the team, contributions to help getting it working better are welcome though Hey, I know it hasn't been dropped, but there is still quite a lot of work left to be done, so I'd like to have a list of things that have to be done to make GNOME Shell a first class citizen in Oneiric created during UDS-O. I know it has been discussed during last UDS with GNOME developers to some extent, so it's possible that the list is at least partially done already. Some of the changes required are trivial, like explicitly setting LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 to disable new scrollbars, but some other, like restoring the default GtkStatusIcon behaviour for all applications. will take quite a lot of time and effort, and will require some help from both Desktop and Ayatana teams to make it happen. I'm planning on working on those issues in Oneiric almost exclusively, but I can't tell how much time am I going to have right now. Cheers, KK signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Reducing number of patches in our packages
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 08:30 -0400, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Rodrigo Moya rodrigo.m...@canonical.com wrote: [...] So, for next cycle, I would suggest a small goal of trying to do patch upstreaming/cleaning days, maybe once a week or every 2 weeks. Great idea :) Also, some Ubuntu-specific patches, like the appindicators ones are duplicated in lots of packages, so it would be good if we could find a better way to make upstream apps use them, like, for instance, patching gtk_status_icon_* in GTK itself to use the indicators when available, instead of having to patch dozens of apps (and keep those patches up-to-date and working for every major version upgrade). Due to the complexity of keeping an UX that makes sense between using a standard menu and context menu, against having only one menu to use in indicators (to just name one constraint), I think it would be rather difficult to make patching GTK itself to handle indicators work properly.. and especially in a way that looks good. I don't understand what you mean here, could you explain please? If GTK's status icon is patched to use the indicators instead of the upstream thing (when the indicator-applet is available), the difference of having one context menu per status icon vs one menu for all indicators is all taken care by the actual implementation (normal status icons would have their own context menu vs indicator-applet would work as it does now) I certainly believe that indicator patches are upstreamable in many cases, and already know that Dan in open to including my indicator patch in nm-applet; I think we're getting close to that being completed too ;) well, most appindicators patches were rejected upstream because of that functionality making more sense in GTK itself than in a separate library, so while some of them have been applied (or are going to) upstream (I myself pushed the patch to gnome-control-center), we're still left with many apps that don't get the patch upstream, so more work for us :-) About putting it in GTK, I don't know of all the appindicators patches, but most of the ones I've seen, more or less, are just a bunch of: #ifdef INDICATORS app_indicator_whatever... #else gtk_status_icon_whatever... #endif so I was talking about those. If there are other uses we would need to have, then why not push the stuff we need to GTK's GtkStatusIcon itself upstream? Then, we could just patch GTK to use the indicators when available, but apps would all use the same API (ie no need for us to write specific patches for each app) -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Firefox translations in Launchpad/Language packs
Chris Coulson [2011-04-07 9:25 +0100]: - Firstly, I think we should kill po2xpi entirely. It's basically doing what the Firefox build system is already very good at doing (building xpi's from source). We should be using the Firefox build system to build the language pack xpi's that we ship. This resolves point 2 and 3. I agree, po2xpi is a pain to maintain, too. - This means that Firefox will output xpi's for every language in the future (not just for en-US). We either need to package these in to dedicated language packs for Firefox (e.g., firefox-locale-foo) I. e. build separate binaries from the firefox source? This would certainly work and make the process a lot easier, too. We can then integrate it into the existing language-selector framework. Launchpad will need to import all xpi's and then make them available to langpack-o-matic to build the language packs. We already have a mechanism for that fortunately, we call these static translation tarballs. It's the same as we currently use for translated GNOME help. So if want the XPIs in language-pack-* itself, this would be an efficient way to do this. - I would still like to be able to use Launchpad to do Firefox translations. That would be great, but I can't comment on the implementation. - Note that searchplugins are shipped independently of the xpi's. If we are going to be shipping Firefox translations with our language packs (as we do currently), this would mean Launchpad would need a mechanism for importing and exporting the searchplugins alongside the xpi's too. As they are so small, wouldn't it be much easier to just ship them all in the firefox.deb, as they come from upstream anyway? Thanks, Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Desktop-side networking enhancements
Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre [2011-04-07 8:42 -0400]: - NM integration with proxy configuration +1 on that (I was actually about to bring that up myself, but you beat me to it :) ). GNOME 3 already solves this very nicely. Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[Oneiric-Topic] Default Browser
Since now both Firefox and Chromium have committed to rapid release schedules, I think it's time to reevaluate the default browser in Ubuntu. I am concerned that some of these upgrades might break system integration at some point. While the security team does its best to prevent regressions, we can't test every case (especially ones we don't know about :)). Perhaps, if we can find one with sufficient features, switch to a Webkit based browser with a more normal release schedule (6 months). We could have an installer like Kubuntu does to install Firefox or Chromium on demand. This will also keep the system documentation current within the release as the screenshots/menus won't be out of date shortly after release. Thanks, Micah -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3
On 04/07/2011 05:59 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: Hello all, kind of obvious topic, but next cycle we'll need to move to GTK3 and GNOME3. Aside from the obvious update the package versions, I see the following particular challenges: * Review our patches, and be rather aggressive about removing those which are intrusive and which we have carried for ages without upstream acceptance. Of course there are also still patches which we haven't even proposed upstream, these should be discussed in bugzilla.gnome.org. * Port pygtk2 apps to PyGI with GTK3. The biggest ones are ubiquity and software-center, but there is also quite a long tail of smaller upstream software. * Discuss GTK3 theming with UX/design. Our current murrine based Humanity theme doesn't work with GTK3. I expect that this will bind a lot of developer capacity next cycle, but at the same time it's very important that we do this to not lose track with GNOME. Martin One issue we need to tackle is the use of clutter. Applications are moving towards using clutter (e.g. cheese) and my experience with clutter has been: - Requires good 3D support - Has never seemed to work well for me... We need to work out early if we can have a hard dependency on clutter or not, and what happens if you can't run clutter applications. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Reducing number of patches in our packages
On 04/07/2011 09:23 PM, Rodrigo Moya wrote: Priority: medium? While working on the GNOME3 PPA during this cycle, I found we have a lot of patches in many packages, which makes things harder when upgrading to major versions, and also introduces new ways for the apps to fail, as the fixes are rebased to apply to the new upstream version. While some patches make a lot of sense, others are better kept in the upstream source, where the upstream developers can guarantee the quality accross major versions upgrades. So, for next cycle, I would suggest a small goal of trying to do patch upstreaming/cleaning days, maybe once a week or every 2 weeks. Also, some Ubuntu-specific patches, like the appindicators ones are duplicated in lots of packages, so it would be good if we could find a better way to make upstream apps use them, like, for instance, patching gtk_status_icon_* in GTK itself to use the indicators when available, instead of having to patch dozens of apps (and keep those patches up-to-date and working for every major version upgrade). Another candidate for that could be the launchpad integration patches, which are present in many more packages than the appindicators ones. I'm sure we can find a way to have that in GTK itself, so that whenever a Help menu is created, and given we have the name of the app, it could just create the LPI entries. +100 for this topic. The amount of patches we carry is a huge but mostly silent overhead. I'd like to make a website like versions [1] that shows our diff against vanilla GNOME to make this more visible. [1] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] GTK3/GNOME3
On 04/07/2011 05:59 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: Hello all, kind of obvious topic, but next cycle we'll need to move to GTK3 and GNOME3. Aside from the obvious update the package versions, I see the following particular challenges: * Review our patches, and be rather aggressive about removing those which are intrusive and which we have carried for ages without upstream acceptance. Of course there are also still patches which we haven't even proposed upstream, these should be discussed in bugzilla.gnome.org. * Port pygtk2 apps to PyGI with GTK3. The biggest ones are ubiquity and software-center, but there is also quite a long tail of smaller upstream software. * Discuss GTK3 theming with UX/design. Our current murrine based Humanity theme doesn't work with GTK3. I expect that this will bind a lot of developer capacity next cycle, but at the same time it's very important that we do this to not lose track with GNOME. Martin Can we get all our CD applications using GTK3? I'm thinking of Firefox here, we really don't want to have one or two applications requiring both packages on the CD.. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Reducing number of patches in our packages
Also, some Ubuntu-specific patches, like the appindicators ones are duplicated in lots of packages, so it would be good if we could find a better way to make upstream apps use them, like, for instance, patching gtk_status_icon_* in GTK itself to use the indicators when available, instead of having to patch dozens of apps (and keep those patches up-to-date and working for every major version upgrade). How would this affect application authors, would they need to go update again? Another candidate for that could be the launchpad integration patches, which are present in many more packages than the appindicators ones. I'm sure we can find a way to have that in GTK itself, so that whenever a Help menu is created, and given we have the name of the app, it could just create the LPI entries. This would be great, do you think GTK upstream would be keen on this? +100 for this topic. The amount of patches we carry is a huge but mostly silent overhead. I'd like to make a website like versions [1] that shows our diff against vanilla GNOME to make this more visible. I would like to also +100 even though I'm not on the desktop team. :p The 3.x transition this is the time to get this out of the way before we find ourselves in LTS-crunch with too large a delta. When we're ready I'd like to see us approach d-d-l as soon as possible and start talking to module maintainers and start working on this. Even if we don't get them all if we could at least do a frontloaded approach for O and catch the remainder in P that would be great. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04
Hi all, I think I can offer some opinions on this without repeating what others say too much. I want to compare this to the decision a few releases ago to make Empathy the default IM client in Ubuntu. Then why I think Unity should become the default desktop session and not classic GNOME. Pidgin was the running favorite, there were a ton of fans of the client, people were really liking the application and along came the rookie Empathy, which at that point few had heard about, but was a very good candidate based on the amount of time their devs had put into the client and the potential of the software. Once the switch was officially made, the backlash in bug reports and in the social media was harsh, and rude at times. Look where that client has come to this point since we made it default. I sincerely believe (and the devs have expressed the same sentiment) that it wouldn't be as good as it is now if it weren't for that decision and amount of attention. Not to digress any further, I feel that Unity will thrive in the same environment. If we delay it any further then we are keeping some valuable attention from its development. There will be backlashes, in bug reports, in the social media. With the amount of attention and use it will get by being default, it will grow fast. It may appear to be a couple steps back, but I think in the end we will find that Unity as the default desktop environment for 11.04 will be a gigantic leap forward later on. Thanks for all of your time, ~Brian On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Rick Spencer rick.spen...@canonical.com wrote: Hello all, Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development, it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will stay the default for 11.04. I'm following up on this list at the suggestion of the Tech Board to give folks a chance to respond or escelate any concerns. Note that there are some arguments for changing the default from Unity to classic' GNOME: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. 2. There are usability problems, for example, settings are hard to find, the launcher icons behave differently when you click on the trash can versus the home folder launcher, it's hard to find a categorized view of applications, searches do not always turn up expected results. 3. We are coming in too hot, there are too many crashers on some hardware and the final product will be buggy. I won't rebut these points myself, as I am rather striving to represent the viewpoints not argue against them. Representing the desktop team, Jason Warner believes that Unity will deliver the superior experience for most users in 11.04. I agree with this position and support staying the course. Cheers, Rick PS - You can reference the recent and current bug fixing efforts of the Unity team here: https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.4 https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.6 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- = Ubuntu Member: http://launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx Freenode IRC: BCurtisWX Ubuntu Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BCurtisWX Ubuntu District of Columbia LoCo: http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ GNOME3 Team: http://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team Ubuntu Bug Control Team: http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol = -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Rick Spencer rick.spen...@canonical.com wrote: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. According to the AppIndicator Design document the notification area will be phased out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines We've been transitioning since 10.04 now so I don't think this should be attributed to Unity entirely, we could have easily run into this by not shipping the notification area in classic mode. -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04
I can honestly say that when I am not in a unity environment, I don't feel at home. I bounce back and forth between ubuntu and osx, and when nvidia was broken, and when I'm in osx, I often find myself trying to 4 finger slide, throwing my mouse to 0,0, tapping super, and generally evoking unity idioms. unity has very quickly made itself a *very* natural part of my workflow and i couldn't imagine working without it any more. It's leagues beyond anything I've ever used, and I am massively impressed with what we've created. -- --Alex Launi -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
11.04
Heya, Has anyone been mucking around with 11.04? What do you think of it so far? - ikt -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
On 07/04/2011 23:43, IKT wrote: Heya, Has anyone been mucking around with 11.04? What do you think of it so far? - ikt If you stay away from Unity then it is acceptable. BC -- I believe what I am programmed to believe. A robot in Futuruma -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
Unity 3D is OK to play with, but I hate it for any serious work. I thought I might get to like it, but actually like it less now that I've been using it for a while. The main problems are that there is no longer a task bar, which will force you to change the way you switch between applications, and the lack of (or broken functionality of) OO on the launcher. The lack of configurability of the launcher is also a serious oversight. I've never liked launcher or application docks, and whenever I've tried them they never lasted more than a few hours or a day on my system. Unity is launcher based supplemented with a clumsy panel. I think this is a step backwards for Ubuntu. Note that if you can't run Unity 3D because of graphics card issues, Unity 2D has a serious bug which may eat your memory: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/723956 If you look at the bug report, you'll see that I managed to get the memory usage of module unity-2d-places up to 540 Mb (30Mb nominal usage) quite easily. The temporary fix is to end the module unity-2d-places so that the memory gets released back to the pool. The module will re-load when you open the panel again. My advice would be to stay with 10.04 LTS or 10.10 whichever you prefer, at least for a few months after 11.04 release, or stay with the classic Gnome interface. Hopefully Unity will be more functional by the release of 11.10, because the classic interface will not ship with that release. There's going to be a lot of squarking about Unity when 11.04 is released and I'm not sure I like the direction it's going. Mark Shuttleworth seems quite pleased with it however. Chris. From: IKT noname...@gmail.com To: Ubuntu AU List ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Thu, 7 April, 2011 11:43:15 PM Subject: 11.04 Heya, Has anyone been mucking around with 11.04? What do you think of it so far? - ikt-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
Hi ikt, I've been using Unity full-time on my laptop and desktop for a couple of weeks now and I love it. I posted a mini-review on my website that you might find interesting: http://stephen.rees-carter.net/2011/03/upgraded-to-ubuntu-natty/ I've always turned off the task bar and used the little panel menu for switching between applications, so the concerns that Chris has don't count for me. I've found the launcher very easy to use, and the keyboard shortcuts make it easy to do things without using the mouse at all. The Lenses/Dash/overlays also make it simple to find applications and files using the keyboard, or mouse. It's still buggy and I wouldn't recommend upgrading on a primary machine you aren't happy rebuilding every so often (I've already done it once on my laptop!). Curiously enough, it runs perfectly well on my desktop machine which previously had issues with 10.04 and 10.10. My laptop also runs really nicely, but since it's got a weird NVIDIA graphics card, I sometimes get problems with the dodgy NVIDIA drivers not working too well. I wouldn't recommend upgrading on a machine you aren't happy rebuilding if it breaks - I have a separate /home directory so I can format the root dir and keep all my files and settings. So, to answer your question, I think Unity is great and I recommend you try it and see what you think. It's not for everyone, and you may hate it, but you also may love it. It really depends on your preferences for a desktop environment. I hope that helps :) Thanks, ~Stephen P.s. Unity Keyboard Shortcuts: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts On 07/04/2011 11:43 PM, IKT noname...@gmail.com wrote: Heya, Has anyone been mucking around with 11.04? What do you think of it so far? - ikt -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
Hello list, I have only briefly been able to play with it and i'm still not that sure about it. I've managed to set up btrfs and encryption but i did come accross an installer bug that did not specify the right linux command options to allow it to boot. On the drivers / hardware side things have improved and i am now able to use 3d programs including unity with the open source nouveau drivers. One thing that i do not like is gnome 3 is completely broken and from what i have read you cannot have an install with both unity and gnome 3 as they conflict with eachother. Regards, Daniel -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
From: Joel Pickett jpick...@une.edu.au Sent: Fri, 8 April, 2011 10:00:47 AM Subject: Re: 11.04 I've been using Unity/Ubuntu 11.04 as a dual boot with Windows 7 for about 3 weeks now (since it's successfully booted/installed on my machine). I'm loving Unity, however it did take some getting used to and will still take I'm feeling in the minority here. :-) some time to become a ninja at all the keyboard shortcuts. I'm now using Which is also one of the problems I have with the Unity concept - a GUI whose most efficient mode of use is the keyboard... and is so counter-intuitive that you need a list of instructions and time to become familiar with them. Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with keyboard shortcuts, but in this case they are required since the alternatives can be quite painful. Also consider those with disabilities - I've seen people who have trouble with ninja type multiple key combinations, but they get to be able to slide a mouse around and click pretty good. Yes, there's sticky keys, but _I_ wouldn't like to have to rely on them. multiple desktops, since most of my application use is full-screen using the global menu. I'm finding that I don't really need to use the File Edit I also found that Unity forced me to use multiple workspaces where I never have before. It isn't that it makes things easier, but that it's better than the alternatives... And the most efficient method of switching is still a keyboard operation though I have not problem with mouse method. Now open Nautilus in one workspace and an application in another, try to to drag/drop a file into the application. ;-) Another thing that Unity is not handling gracefully at the moment is applications that have several data windows open. Selecting the application only selects either the first window or the last used one. There's also applications that have several panel windows themselves, and one or more quite often get left behind. In it's current incarnation Unity also looks like a Mac screen that's been draw with crayons. I'm not really hung up on the appearance but at least with classic interface the lack of style is unimportant - I can show friends an impressive demonstration of what Ubuntu can do. It was these frustrations that spoiled the Unity/11.04 experience for me, enough to try some other distros and ultimately to decide to stay with 10.04 LTS for the time being. Hopefully Unity will mature into something usable for me, but it's going to take some real genius to overcome its shortcomings. Roll on, 11.10 Chris. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
Unity, bloody Unity! It's ugly, horrible and naff, get rid of it! If you install GNOME and remove Unity at the same time, GNOME works perfectly. Regards, Boden Matthews Sent from my DET craptop -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
First off, I think it is important that I say that I'm the Ubuntu desktop manager working for Canonical. Even so, these are my views and my personal opinionstake them for what they are worth. I've used all manner of desktops over the past couple of years (all Windows, OSX, Gnome2/3, KDE, XFCE...heck, I even tried Bodhi w/ Enlightenment) and using Unity for the past several months day-in and day-out makes me appreciate it more and more. I tend to customize quite a bit and do quite a bit w/ compiz that most might not (I do keep a stock machine just so I can always test the default experience) but I was amazed at how quickly Super, Super-# and Super-s became part of my workflow. Out of the box, Unity is by far the most usable desktop I've used, especially when you consider everything you get under the hood with compiz. I also like the look-and-feel of Unity (admittedly, I like to install an icon pack, Faenza...I think Unity looks Fan-freakin'-tastic w/ the Faenza icons installed), which is probably debatable to some people...just my opinion. Other things I really like in Natty are getting 'System Settings' for a one-stop-shop configuration area. Also like Banshee quite a bit and the new Firefox is really quite nice. U1 is is also VASTLY improved (not just the icon ;) ) and I find myself using U1 more and more and dropbox less and less (nothing wrong w/ dropbox...just dogfooding here and since U1 has gotten so good, there seems no need to keep Dropbox around). And LibreOffice w/ lo-menubar installed is great. Things I'm not as pleased with are that more apps haven't updated to indicators from systray. I still like to have those there and I wish more apps updated to indicators. Perhaps by 11.10 we can get more to move to indicators and I'll be a happy camper. Just my $.02 -Jason On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:13 PM, IKT noname...@gmail.com wrote: Heya, Has anyone been mucking around with 11.04? What do you think of it so far? - ikt -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
On 08/04/11 14:04, Boden Matthews wrote: Unity, bloody Unity! It's ugly, horrible and naff, get rid of it! If you install GNOME and remove Unity at the same time, GNOME works perfectly. Regards, Boden Matthews Sent from my DET craptop Gnome is not QUITE the same as in Maverick but it is certainly most usable. However, the word is that the next version of Ubuntu (11.10) won't have gnome at all (and which is why I am right now trying out openSUSE 11.4). BC -- I believe what I am programmed to believe. A robot in Futuruma -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: 11.04
Just curious, but have the people who don't like Unity tried Gnome-Shell (AKA Gnome 3)? What are your thoughts on that, it's usability, design, etc? I think it would have similar usability issues to the ones I've heard raised about Unity. It is also completely different to classic gnome, which I expect would cause issues since most people don't like change. Thanks, ~Stephen On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 08/04/11 14:04, Boden Matthews wrote: Unity, bloody Unity! It's ugly, horrible and naff, get rid of it! If you install GNOME and remove Unity at the same time, GNOME works perfectly. Regards, Boden Matthews Sent from my DET craptop Gnome is not QUITE the same as in Maverick but it is certainly most usable. However, the word is that the next version of Ubuntu (11.10) won't have gnome at all (and which is why I am right now trying out openSUSE 11.4). BC -- I believe what I am programmed to believe. A robot in Futuruma -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- Stephen Rees-Carter ~ Valorin http://stephen.rees-carter.net/ -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Using something better than Gobby for session notes at UDS
On 04/01/2011 10:00 AM, Robert Hooker wrote: I was *really* impressed with how well etherpad handled the load of hundreds of people with no downtime at the linux plumbers conference last year, a bigger server running it would do fine I imagine.. http://etherpad.osuosl.org/lpc2010-desktop To be fair the only real issue we had with Gobby last time was that the server kept crashing due to a bug (iirc it occurred when someone tried to delete a document). If that's fixed, it should perform just as well as Gobby in old UDSes, which seemed to work well enough. Etherpad is still better though, eg due to playback feature and easier web participation. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Upgrading via the desktop installer (ubiquity)
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 11:08:13AM +0100, Evan Dandrea wrote: In 11.04 and later versions, the desktop CD installer (ubiquity) presents an option to upgrade Ubuntu if it finds a single copy on the system. This functionality is not exactly equal in operation to upgrade-manager, nor does it share much code with that application. Such an upgrade will first make a backup of apt's state, including repacked debs (using dpkg-repack) for any packages that it cannot find a source for. Following this, it will delete all non-user and non-local files on the existing partitions. This is roughly everything but /usr/local, /var/local, /usr/src, and /home. It will then install Ubuntu over top of the partially-cleared directory structure and install the packages referenced in the apt state backup. When triaging upgrade bugs, please make sure they're targeted to and have logs for the correct package. If the user upgrades via the option in the desktop CD installer, change the package to ubiquity and have the user run `sudo apport-collect $bug_number`. Does this type of upgrade leave behind some trace to allow us to determine which upgrade method the user chose? /usr/share/apport/general-hooks/ubuntu.py currently assumes that all upgrades write /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log, and tags bug reports with upgrade details accordingly. If Ubiquity doesn't touch this file when upgrading, it will be marking bug reports incorrectly in this case. -- - mdz -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Call for UDS Plenaries
Hi everyone, I've added a little table for plenaries here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-O If you want to give a plenary then please submit a talk/topic here. Plenaries are 15 minutes long, and we have 4 a day after lunch. In the past we've had people combine plenary slots to form longer plenaries, but that gives other people less opportunities and if you're boring you just make it worse for the rest of us, so unless there are special circumstances I'd like to keep the time limit to 15 per session. As usually, Friday we'll do lightning talks instead of plenaries so if you're on the fence and just want 5 minutes then that might be more ideal for you. If you've never been to UDS for Lightning talks we just line people up to the stage, you have a 5 minute timer to give your talk (or completely fail), and then we move on to the next person. -- Jorge Castro Canonical Ltd. http://twitter.com/castrojo Help fix Unity Bitesize Bugs: http://goo.gl/i1WA1 -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Using something better than Gobby for session notes at UDS
On 04/07/2011 02:45 AM, Scott Ritchie wrote: On 04/01/2011 10:00 AM, Robert Hooker wrote: I was *really* impressed with how well etherpad handled the load of hundreds of people with no downtime at the linux plumbers conference last year, a bigger server running it would do fine I imagine.. http://etherpad.osuosl.org/lpc2010-desktop To be fair the only real issue we had with Gobby last time was that the server kept crashing due to a bug (iirc it occurred when someone tried to delete a document). If that's fixed, it should perform just as well as Gobby in old UDSes, which seemed to work well enough. Etherpad is still better though, eg due to playback feature and easier web participation. Heh, you and I must be attending different UDSs. UDS-O will be my 5th and I don't think there has been a UDS where we haven't had issues with Gobby. Brad -- Brad Figg brad.f...@canonical.com http://www.canonical.com -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Current state of universe wrt multiarch
Hello there, this is a list of packages that currently are considered broken due to referencing non-existing la-files. The list is from http://people.canonical.com/~vorlon/broken-srcs-universe.txt, I removed those that have been rebuilt already. Normally the problem would go away with a rebuild but I don't know how to fix the packages listed here as fail to build. Any help or comment is appreciated. FTBFS: -- libfsobasics, http://pad.lv/u/libfsobasics vala error, http://pad.lv/bld/249 libfsoframework libfsoresource libfsotransport libgsm0710mux These packages depend on libfsobasics to be rebuilt first. emerald, http://pad.lv/u/emerald incompatible to new compiz api, http://pad.lv/bld/2391909 nbtk, http://pad.lv/u/nbtk incompatible with clutter 1.4, http://pad.lv/bld/2405191 In http://bugs.debian.org/555766 it is suggested to not waste time trying to fix it because the package will be replaced. In Ubuntu however, there are still two rdepends, hornsey and bisho. FILED FOR REMOVAL - hk-classes, http://pad.lv/749804 libccc, http://pad.lv/749470 libgda3,http://pad.lv/750926 libpano12, http://pad.lv/751014 nel,http://pad.lv/753941 synfig, http://pad.lv/753956 SYNC REQUESTED -- nufw, http://pad.lv/753950 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Using something better than Gobby for session notes at UDS
Hi, Taking notes in sessions is vitally important. I don't understand how we can make session note taking a priority while at the same time use a tool, that has demonstrated in every UDS I've attended, that it's not up to the task. I appreciate the frustration people have with gobby and I'd be happy to run something better if that's what you guys want to do - the only thing I'd ask is that someone package Etherpad first[1]. Also, if anyone has any real world experience with running Etherpad under load (100+ concurrent active users), I'd like to talk to them about it. -- James [1] And, FWIW, I believe I've been asking this for 2 UDSes now - I certainly said it publicly at the 'Summit Management System' session in Orlando. I also mentioned it to Matt Zimmerman and Rick Spencer in December when they asked me about Etherpad in email. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Default Desktop Experience for 11.04
Hello all, Back at UDS for 11.04 in Orlando, Mark set the goal of using Unity by default on the Ubutu desktop. Given the current course of development, it appears that we are going to achieve this goal, and Unity will stay the default for 11.04. I'm following up on this list at the suggestion of the Tech Board to give folks a chance to respond or escelate any concerns. Note that there are some arguments for changing the default from Unity to classic' GNOME: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. 2. There are usability problems, for example, settings are hard to find, the launcher icons behave differently when you click on the trash can versus the home folder launcher, it's hard to find a categorized view of applications, searches do not always turn up expected results. 3. We are coming in too hot, there are too many crashers on some hardware and the final product will be buggy. I won't rebut these points myself, as I am rather striving to represent the viewpoints not argue against them. Representing the desktop team, Jason Warner believes that Unity will deliver the superior experience for most users in 11.04. I agree with this position and support staying the course. Cheers, Rick PS - You can reference the recent and current bug fixing efforts of the Unity team here: https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.4 https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.6 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Rick Spencer rick.spen...@canonical.com wrote: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. According to the AppIndicator Design document the notification area will be phased out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines We've been transitioning since 10.04 now so I don't think this should be attributed to Unity entirely, we could have easily run into this by not shipping the notification area in classic mode. -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04
On Thursday, April 07, 2011 10:00:45 PM Jorge O. Castro wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Rick Spencer rick.spen...@canonical.com wrote: 1. There are key feature regressions, for example, there is no systray support for many important applications. According to the AppIndicator Design document the notification area will be phased out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines We've been transitioning since 10.04 now so I don't think this should be attributed to Unity entirely, we could have easily run into this by not shipping the notification area in classic mode. Ubuntu is alone, AFAIK, in deciding to do away with the notification area/systray (in KDE it's called the systray). I think it's reasonably inevitable that there will always be packages that don't support this Ubuntu unique functionality. I'm not sure if that's an argument for waiting (more time might yield more support) or an argument for going ahead (no matter how long we'll always lose some fraction of support). It does seem relevant to this discussion however because even though removing the notification area could have been a classic mode problem, it's at present something that is tied to Unity. Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
String change in unattended-upgrades
Hi, in order to fix a bug (well, a corner case condition when dpkg got interrupted because of e.g. power-failure ) in unattended-upgrades I had to add a string to explain the user the situation. I'm sorry for the inconvenience this causes you. Please note that the translation for this is not super-important as its a corner case and most people who see it (those who explicitely ask for mail from cron or unattended-upgrades themself) are probably more technical. Desktop users should never see the message, it will just fix the problem in the background. Cheers, Michael -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
