[ubuntu-uk] Spell checking in Yakkety ...

[Barry Drake]

Hi ...   Has anyone else had a problem with the spell checker in 
Yakkety?  I noticed it in Libreoffice writer.  The spell checker 
settings say it is working, and it is set to the UK English dictionary.  
I can write complete garbage, but nothing is offered by the checker.  I 
have made no alterations to Libreoffice except for installing 
templates.  Any thoughts?


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[ubuntu-uk] Bad iso 14.04

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Hi ...   I've no idea how else to report this.  The 14.04 iso on the 
Ubuntu website is broken.  It's less than 50 GiB.  I did take it twice, 
just in case.  I've managed to get it from another site.  Hopefully, 
that one will work OK.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] New hard drive errors

[Barry Drake]

On 18/06/16 16:21, Mark Fraser wrote:

I fixed these, but on running fsck a second time, these block differences were
back.  Now this drive is currently sat in an external USB tray so that I could 
copy
files across before replacing the one in the computer. Are these errors due to
it being on USB or is the drive faulty?

You might try getting a copy of Windows - either Win 7 or XP. Either of 
these will say that the disk has an unrecognisable system, and will 
offer fdisk to delete the partition.  It will let you use fdisk to 
create a new NTFS partition, and will then let you do a long format to 
begin installation.  MS Win is very verbose in long-format mode, and you 
will find out if the disk is faulty.  I'm not sure whether MS can work 
with a USB drive?  I have a built-in trayless caddy, so I don't use a 
USB arrangement.  Incidentally, Windows will trash the boot sector of 
/dev/sda, so unplug that before trying the process.


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[ubuntu-uk] bug in ubiquity - yakkety

[Barry Drake]

Hi there  I've reported Bug #1590652 - ubiquity crashes when 
installing yakkety.  Please could one of you try to install, and confirm 
this bug?  Thanks.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Strange problem with Firefox in 15.04 and later ...

[Barry Drake]

On 27/02/16 16:15, Robert McWilliam wrote:

I'd look at what other functions are in the systemd.sh script, search
the other scripts for places they're called and make sure the logic
around that will pick the systemd option. Robert
Hi Robert ...   I've just sent the below to the Symform team.  I can't 
see anywhere in the scripts the call that sets up the port listening.  I 
guess this has changed in its usage.


Regards,Barry.
On 17/02/16 07:50, Symform Team (Symform Community) wrote:
Hi there   I've got a bit further with this one.  initctl is 
available in 15.04 and later, but it is not in the command search path.  
A symlink would take care of that.  The reason symform couldn't find 
http://127.0.0.1:59234 is that Ubuntu > 14.04 fails to start listening 
on port 59234.  I've so far not been able to find the command that sets 
this up.  Can you point me to it please.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Strange problem with Firefox in 15.04 and later ...

[Barry Drake]

On 27/02/16 16:15, Robert McWilliam wrote:

I'd look at what other functions are in the systemd.sh script, search
the other scripts for places they're called and make sure the logic
around that will pick the systemd option. Robert


Hi Robert    I thought the easiest thing would be to attach all the
relevant scripts.  The command that starts the setup process is:
"/opt/symform/SymformNode.sh configure"  Thanks for your offer of help.
I'm feeling out of my comfort zone by a long, long way.  As I mentioned,
the current systemd option does not work.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Strange problem with Firefox in 15.04 and later ...

[Barry Drake]

On 26/02/16 20:27, Simon Greenwood wrote:
That's the answer - there should be. There will be something in the 
scripts that activates it. If you don't know, 127.0.0.1 is localhost, 
your own computer, so it will always ping but it's unlikely that you 
have anything running on it in normal use so it won't respond to a 
HTTP request in a web browser.

Hi Simon   The 'start' command in the systemd.sh script is:
start_service()
{
systemctl start symform${1}.service
}

systemctl is very different in its operation.  The 'start' command won't 
listen to a port.  There doesn't seem to be a way to set up listening to 
port 59234 using that command.  Using it the way the systemd script 
tries to, produces the error "Failed to start symformconfigure.service: 
Unit symformconfigure.service failed to load: No such file or directory".


I imagine the guy who wrote the script assumed the command was a direct 
replacement for initctl.  It obviously is not.  I've saved the man page 
as a text file, and read through it carefully.  There doesn't seem to be 
a command that performs the action I need.  So far, I haven't found 
anything that will do what initctl used to do. The initctl command was 
used to make the port open the register page of the symform web site, 
and return the information in the form of a log.  I've been trying to 
find something that acts in the same way, but so far, no luck.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Strange problem with Firefox in 15.04 and later ...

[Barry Drake]

On 26/02/16 20:27, Simon Greenwood wrote:
That's the answer - there should be. There will be something in the 
scripts that activates it. If you don't know, 127.0.0.1 is localhost, 
your own computer, so it will always ping but it's unlikely that you 
have anything running on it in normal use so it won't respond to a 
HTTP request in a web browser.
Hi Simon   Having found the page describing the use of the initctl 
command, I can't find a package or anything else, such as the code.  I 
gather it used to be included with upstart, and that has changed.  There 
must be a workaround using another command, but so far, I'm no finding 
anything.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Strange problem with Firefox in 15.04 and later ...

[Barry Drake]

On 26/02/16 20:37, Barry Drake wrote:
Hi Simon   I didn't know that.  Looks like I have a few more 
scripts to look through.
Hi Simon    I've just found 
http://linux-commands-examples.com/initctl  It seems it isn't deprecated 
- just missing from recent Ubuntu releases.  I'll see if I can get it 
and report back to the Symform team what happens. Thanks again for 
pointing me in the right direction.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Strange problem with Firefox in 15.04 and later ...

[Barry Drake]

On 26/02/16 20:37, Barry Drake wrote:
Hi Simon   I didn't know that.  Looks like I have a few more 
scripts to look through.  There are a fair few of them.  I might fire 
up 14.04 again tomorrow and see what's happening on port 59234.
I've found out exactly where the problem exists.  I've put the relevant 
fragments of the three scripts involved below.  The main thing is that 
the platform.sh script has a call to initctl, which no longer exists.  
This seems to be where the listen for port 59234 is supposed be set.  Is 
there a replacement for what is presumably a deprecated call?  It seems 
to work OK in 14.04.


In main setup script:

for service in $SERVICES; do
if [ $service = "web" ]; then
sleep 2
outfn=$(util_mktemp /tmp/testweb.XX)
if ! util_test_url 
"http://127.0.0.1:$(get_webui_port)/" 1 10 "$outfn"; then

echo "Web service is not healthy" 1>&2
cat "$outfn" 1>&2
fi

In 'base' script:
get_webui_port()
{
if [ -z "$SYMFORM_WEB_UI_PORT" ]; then
echo "59234"
else
echo "$SYMFORM_WEB_UI_PORT"
fi
}

In 'platform'script:
if [ -d /etc/init -a -f /sbin/initctl ]; then
. "/opt/symform/scripts/platform/upstart.sh"
elif [ -d /etc/systemd -a -f /bin/systemctl ]; then
. "/opt/symform/scripts/platform/systemd.sh"
else
. "/opt/symform/scripts/platform/systemv.sh"
fi

This is where the script fails: the command 'initctl' no longer exists, 
and the script fails with an error message 'No command 'initctl:' found, 
did you mean:

Command 'initctl' from package 'upstart' (main)
initctl:: command not found'

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Strange problem with Firefox in 15.04 and later ...

[Barry Drake]

On 26/02/16 20:27, Simon Greenwood wrote:
That's the answer - there should be. There will be something in the 
scripts that activates it. If you don't know, 127.0.0.1 is localhost, 
your own computer, so it will always ping but it's unlikely that you 
have anything running on it in normal use so it won't respond to a 
HTTP request in a web
Hi Simon   I didn't know that.  Looks like I have a few more scripts 
to look through.  There are a fair few of them.  I might fire up 14.04 
again tomorrow and see what's happening on port 59234.  It will be great 
if I can solve it.  None of the guys at Symform know a lot about Ubuntu, 
so I'm working very much in the dark here - without your help, I don't 
think I'd have known where to look next any more than the Symform folk.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Strange problem with Firefox in 15.04 and later ...

[Barry Drake]

On 26/02/16 18:21, Simon Greenwood wrote:
It looks like there should be something listening on port 59234, which 
you should be able to identify from sudo netstat -nlp. My guess is 
that it's an ssh tunnel if the application is bash based. It may not 
have been shut down previously or there might be something else on 
that port.
Hi Simon   Thanks.  I tried that - there is nothing listening on 
that port.  I also tried 127.0.0.1 in the browser with no port 
following.  The result is the same 'unable to connect'.  But the URL 
pings OK - so I'm really mystified.


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[ubuntu-uk] Strange problem with Firefox in 15.04 and later ...

[Barry Drake]

Hi   Any pointer for me in trying to solve a problem. When I attemp 
to install the Symform cloud software,  on 15.04, when it makes a call 
to 127.0.0.1:59234 to register the user, Firefox comes up with a "Unable 
to connect Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 
127.0.0.1:59234"


In 14.04, it does the job properly, and gets to the Symform login page.  
I've tried other browsers, and done enough testing to determine that 
this is a problem in the Ubuntu infrastructure, and not in the browser.  
Any thoughts on how this might be resolved?  I think I might be able to 
use a workaround, and register using 14.04, them grab the registration 
information from that place, but I really want to find out what is 
happening.  The entire Linux version of Symform is written in bash shell 
scripts, so I've been able to check through those.  I can ping 127.0.0.1 
and get no problem, so it has to be down to some change in Ubuntu itself.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Missing menu in top panel.

[Barry Drake]

On 27/01/16 15:12, Will Cooke wrote:
Xenial, and it is not long to its release date.

Hi Will    Colin, on the list, asked me a while ago when I had last 
re-installed.  I did re-install, and the problem went away.  After the 
update and upgrade yesterday, it came back.  I know it won't go away 
until I repeat re-installation, but currently, there are so many other 
problems due to incompatibility with apps I have installed that I'm 
waiting a while.  I dual-boot on two different hard-drives - one with 
testing and one with stable (15.04 LTS), so I'm currently back to the 
stable one for a few days.  Thanks for your concern.


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[ubuntu-uk] Printer problem ...

[Barry Drake]

Hi there    I've just installed my printer on xenial.  The printer I 
have, is missing from the database in cups.  I had to get the driver 
from HP.  The printer is an HP Deskjet 30558 all in one.  Is this 
something I should report as a CUPS bug, or is it an HP problem that I 
need to report there?  Any suggestions please?  Obviously my printer is 
working just fine now.


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[ubuntu-uk] The problems I was having in 16.04

[Barry Drake]

Hi there ...   Alan suggested re-installing my system.  This, as he 
thought, did cure the problem.  Unfortunately, the daily build I took 
this morning was badly broken.  There is a bad package which is needed 
for most of the apps I want to install.  So for now, I'm back to Wily. 
I'll leave it a couple of days, and see what happens when I upgrade.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Missing menu in top panel.

[Barry Drake]

On 13/01/16 20:37, Barry Drake wrote:

I have reported the missing menus in the top panel as bug #1533826 in
respect of Audacity.


I have just reported the identical bug as Libreoffice Bug #1535579. 
Please can someone confirm it, as I have no idea how many other 
applications it may effect at this stage.  We are talking about Xenial, 
and it is not long to its release date.  My system is up to date as at 
yesterday.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Missing menu in top panel.

[Barry Drake]

On 19/01/16 11:21, Colin Law wrote:

I am not seeing it in either app, there must be something a bit
different about your machine.  Have you tried a fresh install?


Thanks Colin.  No, I haven't reinstalled for over a couple or three 
months.  Thanks for letting me know.  I'll re-install quite soon!.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

[Barry Drake]

>Not sure what you mean by gnome menus in the top panel. Can you be
>more explicit? Are you running Ubuntu with Unity?

Hi Colin .   When you move the mouse pointer into the top panel, 
many applications show a menu on the left of the top panel. Libreoffice 
is one example, but the one I'm having a problem with is Audacity.  The 
menu works OK in Thunderbird, but not in the others. I suppose I'll 
report it as and 'Audacity' bug, and see what response I get.


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[ubuntu-uk] Missing menu in top panel.

[Barry Drake]

I have reported the missing menus in the top panel as bug #1533826 in 
respect of Audacity.


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[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

[Barry Drake]

Hi    In 16.04, currently all the gnome menus on the top panel seem 
to have disappeared.  This makes some applications, Libreoffice, not 
fully useable as some functions can only be accessed from the menu.  I 
can't find an existing bug report for this.  What program should I 
report it against please?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyboard shortcuts in 15.04

[Barry Drake]

On 17/12/15 12:13, Liam Proven wrote:

Yes, that is what I thought happened.
Ctrl, LAlt/RAlt and Shift are all passed through to the OS for
handling -- whatever that OS is.


That's what I have found.  I also found I had to rewrite the 'play' 
scripts.  15.04 has changed some of its behaviour since the version I 
was using last year (I think it was 14.04).  I was also running a 
different laptop.  At that time, I could use the command ' 
[path-to-file]/music123 * and then call the shell script with a music 
filename as the argument.  Example: music123 -z -D 
/home/barry/Music/Retromania/*  I could use [shell 
script]/[path-to-file]/filename The behaviour has changed so the above 
starts to play all the music files in the directory.  I've had to write 
a tiny shell script for each music file, and call that script from the 
hotkey press.  With 10 to do, and hardly any time, I was getting VERY 
frustrated.  Still, in hindsight I know I should have started a day or 
so before.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyboard shortcuts in 15.04

[Barry Drake]

On 17/12/15 11:16, Colin Law wrote:


Those seem to be talking about FN keys, whereas Barry said it was
 F3 for suspend, which seemed particularly strange to me.


Not quite.  I did say that.  It was a slip of the finger.  +F4 
is the hardware suspend key combination, and was one of the key 
combinations I had tried, obviously with no success.  All the Lenovo 
hard coded keys are +[somekey] and these were the ones I was 
trying to use.  I had assumed that Ubuntu could override this.  I can 
see now why it can't.  I was having a bad day, and was getting very 
frustrated, as I had to get it done for that evening.  The 
+[anything] can be used if I choose.  Apologies again for the mix-up.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyboard shortcuts in 15.04

[Barry Drake]

On 16/12/15 20:20, Liam Proven wrote:


I think you either did not read my reply, or did not understand it.


Sorry not to respond sooner.  I've booted into the BIOS settings.  I 
could not find anything that has to do with wake/sleep.  The manual than 
deals with the BIOS setup is at: 
https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/p70_ug_en.pdf?LinkTrack=Solr

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyboard shortcuts in 15.04

[Barry Drake]

On 16/12/15 12:32, Liam Proven wrote:


I think this is a BIOS setting on your laptop. Look for options to
disable such things as sleep/wake and hibernate. Then Ubuntu's
software versions should still work.


There is such a BIOS setting, but I do occasionally want to use 
'hibernate', so I'm not going to disable it.  It doesn't explain the 
behaviour of the apps launcher thingy though.  That allows me to capture 
+[any key] but does not work the way it ought.  That is 
definitely hard coded, so I have every reason to suppose that the F3 key 
follows the same pattern.


As I've got everything I want working without using the F keys, I'm 
going to carry on with that arrangement.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyboard shortcuts in 15.04

[Barry Drake]

On 16/12/15 08:06, Simon Greenwood wrote:

It may be specific to your model or make as Ctrl-F3 doesn't do anything
on my Asus S400CA by default. I would suspect that a keyboard driver for
your make has been installed so finding that and disabling it might work.


I'll take a look when I've got a bit more time, but as it's a Lenovo 
laptop, I think it's very unlikely it needs a keyboard driver.  It's 
never shown anything in the 'additional drivers'  app.


I've now programmed all the carols as +[numeric]  I only needed 9, 
but if I'd wanted more than ten, I'd have used +[alphabetic].  I 
already have +x as the 'kill music' key.  Thanks anyway,


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[ubuntu-uk] Keyboard shortcuts in 15.04

[Barry Drake]

Hi there   The +F3 is permanently hard-coded to sleep/wake.  I 
can't find anywhere a keyboard shortcuts conf file.  The locations given 
for earlier versions of Ubuntu on the internet are no longer valid for 
15.04.  I need all the F keys to play different pieces of Christmas 
music (Carols) with the press of a key.  I need to set it up on my 
laptop before Christmas eve.  Anyone able to give me a clue please?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyboard shortcuts in 15.04

[Barry Drake]

On 16/12/15 07:01, Barry Drake wrote:


hibernate/wake really is hard coded into the +F3 combination.  In
custom shortcuts, you can't grab that one.  I'm going to see how many
others I am allowed to use.


The super key is hard coded too.  You can set the custom shortcut to 
+[anykey] just fine - but it doesn't work, you still get the 
launch thingy (to use the technical term).


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyboard shortcuts in 15.04

[Barry Drake]

On 16/12/15 07:29, Grant Phillips-Sewell wrote:


However, the fact that this combination wakes the machine up from sleep
leads me to ask whether the F3 key is the hardware sleep/wake key


No.  +F4 on this laptop is the hardware sleep key combination. 
 The issue is definitely due to Ubuntu hard coding.  So far, I think 
I'm going to get away with +1 to 0 .  I'll start entering 
them and see how far I get.  For this occasion, I need less than ten 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 04/12/15 15:16, Liam Proven wrote:
> I talked to the Tizen people at LinuxCon Europe in October.>
> It is not as locked-down as all that, not for developers. But bear in
> mind, it's for semi-embedded use, for locked-down single-function or
> narrow-function devices with a rich UI. It's not a desktop distro or
> one for the end-user to get in and customise.

I took a further look this morning.  It is impossible (almost) to get 
Android apps without going via Google Play.  In order to use Google 
Play, you have to give a Google login, and that  means a Google account 
with all the information grabbing they do.  The outside sources (Amazon 
is one), have a very limited range of apps, most of which are not for 
serious work.


I've looked at both Tizen, and Sailfish
Maybe that's a good reason for Ubuntu's lack of enthusiasm for an 
Android layer.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 02/12/15 12:52, Barry Drake wrote:

TIZEN

They seem way ahead of Ubuntu in the phone market.  I'm sad about that.>
I've subscribed to one of their mailing lists to keep informed.


I talked to some of the Tizen developer guys - The told me their OS is 
so locked in, you wouldn't recognise it as a Linux distro.  You can't 
access root at all, and a lot of the more powerful commandline items 
have been removed!  One guy's comment was 'If you are any kind of 
hacker, it is not for you'.  Sailfish (Jolla) is very much for the 
hacker and the developer.  But - you'll like this - several guys at 
Tizen said that the Ubuntu is the best of the lot!  They feel that if it 
could support Android, it would have an enormous market!  And the code 
Sailfish use for the Android platform is mostly FOSS and downloadable 
straight from the Sailfish site.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 01/12/15 14:15, Alan Pope wrote:

No, other platforms (Jolla, Tizen) have it.


Thanks Alan.   I've looked carefully at Tizen.  Their site's a bit 
strange to navigate around, but I found it quite fascinating.  They are 
now listing on ebay some Tizen OS smartphones, and they have a number of 
different makes of phones available in the US.  Not expensive either.


They seem way ahead of Ubuntu in the phone market.  I'm sad about that.

I've subscribed to one of their mailing lists to keep informed.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 01/12/15 16:45, Pete S wrote:

Too scared of bricking my phone to take the plunge and put Ubuntu on it!
One day..


It just so happens that I've scheduled a listing for my old phone on 
ebay.  I won't get a lot for it, and I'm very willing to risk that one. 
 I've just looked on the web site.  There used to be a list of phones 
that had been tried, and what to download from where, and how to install 
it.  That information seems to have disappeared from the Ubuntu site 
now.  Is it still around?  My phone is a Samsung Galaxy Young2.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 01/12/15 20:54, Barry Drake wrote:

It just so happens that I've scheduled a listing for my old phone on
ebay.  I won't get a lot for it, and I'm very willing to risk that one.
  I've just looked on the web site.  There used to be a list of phones
that had been tried, and what to download from where, and how to install
it.


Found it.  It doesn't have a Huawei in the list, but I might take a 
chance anyhow.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 01/12/15 22:57, Barry Drake wrote:


Found it.  It doesn't have a Huawei in the list, but I might take a
chance anyhow.


Huawei is my new phone.  I meant Samsung Galaxy Young2.  The history 
shows that Samsung worked well on early models, but everything remotely 
recent; the Galaxy Note for example, worked, but broke after a while. 
There is currently no work on Galaxy in progress.


I still just might have a go - but maybe not.  OTOH, there is active 
work on an Android interface, but it's slowed to a crawl.  Maybe an 
online petition somewhere might help.  Any thoughts?


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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

Hi there   I've just had to get a new Android phone.  I still feel 
very 'locked in'.  I'd love to have an Ubuntu phone, but am wondering if 
it will ever have an Android compatibility layer.  Is it Google's policy 
not to allow it?


With regard to the last few emails on the $5 computer thread - I've 
still got my old slide rule. Back when I was an engineer, I regularly 
used a calculation involving a fifth-root.  I'm sure it was quicker than 
the calculators of that era were.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone

[Barry Drake]

On 01/12/15 14:19, Liam Proven wrote:

On 1 December 2015 at 15:15, Alan Pope  wrote:

No, other platforms (Jolla, Tizen) have it.



And Blackberry 10, which isn't even a version of Linux. (I have a
Passport, a new smartphone with an actual physical *keyboard*. There's
innovation for you!)


Oh, I know it's quite feasible.  And quite a lot of the system is open 
source.  Since it runs on a very limited Linux kernel, I can see it 
wouldn't be much of a problem.  If any of the phone team are listening, 
please put it on the wish-list.


The physical keyboard is retrovation.  My first smartphone was running 
Windows Mobile 5.  I updated an app to run on that phone, and had to 
write a Windows XP app to allow modules (texts) to be added.  It was 
that process that finally made me bin Windows altogether.  It was just 
so flakey under the surface, and the 'Frameworks' were ridiculous to 
work with.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux on the cheap?

[Barry Drake]

On 21/11/15 22:21, David King wrote:

Does anyone have any good recommendations, looking in the £300 to £400
price range? Dell still do Ubuntu laptops but they are way more
expensive than they used to be (the Inspiron only cost £300).


I can recommend Cougar -  http://www.cougar-extreme.co.uk/  The web site 
does not show a Linux option for the Laptops, but when you talk to them, 
they will definitely offer to supply the one of your choice with Ubuntu 
installed.  Most of the guys who work there are Linux geeks. 
Personally, I'd go for anything Lenlovo.  I'm on my second Lenovo 
Netbook, and paid less for it on ebay than I got when I sold my previous 
one on ebay.  The new one is a much higher, faster spec too!


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[ubuntu-uk] Seahorse .....

[Barry Drake]

Hi there ...   I wonder if any of you might take the time to confirm a 
bug in Seahorse (linked to another bug I reported in Empathy) in Wily. 
The seahorse bug is Ubuntu Bug #1512083  The test is very simple - set 
up a new dummy address - say in an email client.  When the password 
manager is called, it shows the window in the screenshot in the bug 
report.  It seems to make no difference whether or not the checkbox is 
checked.  The password is stored anyway, and the address and password 
have to be removed manually from Seahorse if you don't want the 
information stored.  Oh - the email address I entered is not a valid one.


The problem was not there in 15.04, and only appeared in Wily some time 
in September.  It was after mid-September when I first encountered it as 
a problem in Empathy, which I reported as Bug #1511292.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wily - and my Lenovo Thinkpad ....

[Barry Drake]

On 24/10/15 10:21, Barry Drake wrote:

Hi there   I have a Lenovo Thinkpad x201.  I had 14.04 running on it
until recently.  I did a complete re-install of 15.10.  The audio out
used to work fine with 14.04


The last update, together with a bit of time spent cleaning a crackly 
jack-socket cured this one.


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[ubuntu-uk] Wily - and my Lenovo Thinkpad ....

[Barry Drake]

Hi there   I have a Lenovo Thinkpad x201.  I had 14.04 running on it 
until recently.  I did a complete re-install of 15.10.  The audio out 
used to work fine with 14.04, but won't work at all with Wily.  Sound is 
OK from the built-in speakers, but I can't seem to find a fix for the 
audio out socket.  The audio in socket works perfectly.


Any thoughts?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with one mailbox in Thunderbird

[Barry Drake]

On 04/09/15 09:54, Dianne wrote:


That's the strangest thing - all the accounts are pop3, but all the
others are acting normally, including one that's on the same server. And
if I start in safe mode the problem persists, but goes away if I use
Help> restart in safe mode!


That is so weird, I doubt if any of us here can provide an answer.  I'd 
take a look at the Thunderbird forums at:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=39  and post details of 
the problem there.  There's got to be something odd about the way the 
server handles pop3 mail, but I wouldn't know where to start to look!  I 
use imap on all my email accounts (I have eight that are collected, but 
two of them are 'throwaway' accounts that I can delete if they become 
spam collectors).  They are the ones I use when I have to give an email 
address to subscribe to something I'm not 100% sure about.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with one mailbox in Thunderbird

[Barry Drake]

On 03/09/15 17:23, Dianne wrote:

> I'm using pop3 - it seems to be a problem with tbird, as they reappear
> when I go to safe mode.

I wonder if there is a bug in Thunderbird that causes a problem with 
pop3 accounts?  If the problem account is your only one using pop3, I'd 
be inclined to think that might be the problem.  If you are fairly sure 
it is a Thunderbird problem, check out if all your other accounts are 
imap.  If so, ubuntu-bug thunderbird, using the terminal would be the 
way to go, I imagine.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with one mailbox in Thunderbird

[Barry Drake]

On 03/09/15 09:07, Dianne wrote:


I've been playing with this - if I load in safe mode with no add-ons,
all emails reappear. I've tried disabling each add-on in turn (there are
only three) but the problem remains. If I load in safe mode but tell
tbird to always load without add-ons, the problem remains.


I've seen something like this happen with imap accounts when there were 
problems at the mail server end.  I think that might be where the 
problem is.  If the server allows pop mail access, I'd set that account 
temporarily as pop mail and work with that until the problem gets solved.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem

[Barry Drake]

On 30/08/15 21:49, Barry Drake wrote:


However (thankfully!) the bug I reported is still there.  Newbie maybe,
but not the same amount of egg-on-face.  Thank you Colin.


Just a final update on this problem.  I've posted the below on the bug 
report.  I think it explains where I am at:

"End of bug - please close this one.  But please consider making it a
Unity wishlist item.  No one I was in contact with could repeat the
problem.  I downloaded the latest daily-build of Wily, and tried
everything I could in the live session to break Unity.

I conclude that the problem occurred during the implementation of a
number of major changes to gnome, Compiz and the Unity plugin.

My wish: after the first release of Unity - before Maverick, I think.
We were promised some easy tools for editing lenses, and generally
customising Unity.  The best we got was the ability to make a limited
number of changes - mostly cosmetic.  I spent time way back studying the
Unity system, but the user needs to get pretty deep into the code to do
anything very much.

My main complaint is that there is now no working method I can find to
do a 'factory reset' of Unity.  I ended up re-installing the system.  I
normally work entirely in a development cycle as soon as the testing
version is available.  I am always able to restore all data if there is
a catastrophic failure. I expect to have to re-install at least a couple
of times during the cycle, but it's worth it to be able to report bugs
early.

Unity developers, please give us more control over the Unity
environment!  I felt almost like a Microsoft user!  I'd be very grateful
if one of the Unity developers could take the trouble to contact me so
we could exchange a couple of emails".

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem

[Barry Drake]

On 30/08/15 17:46, Colin Law wrote:


That's what is confusing me too.  I don't see how there can be any
accounts unless they have been added by the user.  I see none with
Wily.


I've been trying to take a screenshot, but the window I want to capture 
has to be in focus, and without the dash, I haven't figured out how to 
do it.


There is a Google account in the left hand pane - so I must have set it 
up; possible to get evolution to work so I could import my google 
contacts.  They don't come in a form which the Thunderbird address-book 
can use, and the recommended method seems to be to install evolution. 
This must have been where the problem began - although I had assumed it 
was a Wily default.  My bad!.  It still represents a problem though, so 
I'll add this information to the bug.  Thanks for all your trouble here.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem

[Barry Drake]

On 30/08/15 21:15, Colin Law wrote:


Make sure you use dist-upgrade not upgrade, or if you are using apt rather than apt-get 
then sudo apt update  sudo apt full-upgrade


Thanks Colin   I feel like the ultimate newbie now.  I'd never heard 
of  'dist-upgrade'.  It produced many upgrades that I didn't have - 
including a whole lot of GKT and Unity items.  I'll know next time! 
Thanks.


However (thankfully!) the bug I reported is still there.  Newbie maybe, 
but not the same amount of egg-on-face.  Thank you Colin.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem

[Barry Drake]

On 30/08/15 20:29, Alan Pope wrote:


  Thanks Al.  That's shown me how badly broken my system now is!  Alt-F
give me the broken dash.  I haven't re-assigned any quick keys on this
system, so I decided to check.
 



Alt f2, not alt f.


Sorry - my typo.  Alt f1 gives the launcher, Alt f2 gives the dash, with 
the current keyboard settings   but as I say, some of the 
gnome-control-center calls (without GTK+ options, just the program name) 
give deprecated calls for some of the GTK+ library functions   so as 
I say, I'm stuck until these are fixed and 'update' and 'upgrade' gives 
me some new GTK stuff.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem

[Barry Drake]

On 30/08/15 18:45, Alan Pope wrote:


Alt-F2, gnome-screenshot, set Grab after a delay of to some value, then click 
Take screenshot and make sure you have the dash or whatever you want to screenshot out 
when the countdown finishes.


Thanks Al.  That's shown me how badly broken my system now is!  Alt-F 
give me the broken dash.  I haven't re-assigned any quick keys on this 
system, so I decided to check.


None of the keyboard settings options - either going from 
system-settings, or from /usr/share/applications works.  All of them do 
nothing after a brief delay.  No crash or anything.


I looked at one of them called from the terminal, and it is evident that 
the present state of Wily on my machine is that a whole lot of the gnome 
libraries are, or need to be updated.  There have been a lot of updates 
just a little earlier today, so, although I think the actual bug is a 
valid one, I can't do a lot more until I see what the state of Wily is 
in a few days.  If I've got completely out of step, I'll re-install.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem

[Barry Drake]

On 30/08/15 15:14, Colin Law wrote:


You say in the bug [1] that you removed interaction with all Google
accounts (settings-online accounts) but I don't understand exactly
what you mean by that.


In the Online Account settings, it lists access by Ubuntu to the 
following Google online accounts by these apps:
Evolution Data Server (if Evolution is installed) for Contacts, for 
Calendar and for Gmail.  I removed all three

Shotwell
Photo Search Plugin
Google Drive Search plugin

The last three are installed and activated by default.  I'm finding 
Google very intrusive in the way it is using my personal data to sell to 
advertisers, and to give me heavily targeted advertising.  I though I 
could get away with it in Ubuntu - at the moment, in 15.10, the answer 
seems to be 'no way'.  I do, however want to access Google Contacts, via 
the slightly buggy but useable google-contacts app installed by default 
(I think) in Wily - but that's all.  I'd like to have Thunderbird sync 
with these contacts, but I have to do that manually at the moment.


I think I'd better explain this in the bug report.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem

[Barry Drake]

On 30/08/15 17:01, Colin Law wrote:


How did you remove them?


In the Online Accounts settings window, on the Google account settings, 
each of these accounts shows an 'on/off' switch.  I turned all of them 
off to block access.  I didn't remove any software, or alter any other 
parameters.


Regards,Barry.


Colin


Shotwell
Photo Search Plugin
Google Drive Search plugin

The last three are installed and activated by default.  I'm finding Google
very intrusive in the way it is using my personal data to sell to
advertisers, and to give me heavily targeted advertising.  I though I could
get away with it in Ubuntu - at the moment, in 15.10, the answer seems to be
'no way'.  I do, however want to access Google Contacts, via the slightly
buggy but useable google-contacts app installed by default (I think) in Wily
- but that's all.  I'd like to have Thunderbird sync with these contacts,
but I have to do that manually at the moment.

I think I'd better explain this in the bug report.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem

[Barry Drake]

On 29/08/15 14:20, Colin Law wrote:


https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1320539 (Dash search
of applications is randomly disabled when online searches have been
turned off)


Hi there    I've reported it as:  Ubuntu bug# 1490277  If any of you 
feel like repeating it in in your non-destructive iso testing 
environment, please confirm.


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[ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem

[Barry Drake]

Hi there   The dash on my 15.10 desktop 64 bit installation won't 
show any applications.  This happened immediately after I'd tried to 
'de-google' the system as far as I was able.  I've since allowed google 
the same access as the default, but still can't get apps to show in the 
dash.  The ideas suggested for 15.04 in one or more of the forums no 
longer works because unity no longer supports the --reset command that 
was part of the suggestion.


I've run out of ideas, short of a re-install if all else fails.  I don't 
even know what I'm looking for as the dash seems to be very much a part 
of unity.


Any thoughts?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem

[Barry Drake]

On 29/08/15 11:25, Alan Pope wrote:


Do you mean the launcher on the left is gone, or it is there but empty, or it's 
there and you can open the dash (with the windows key) but no apps appear?


Hi Alan.  Thanks for your quick response. The launcher hasn't changed. 
The dash appears as normal, but shows only documents.  Clicking the 
'apps' icon at the bottom of the dash tells me that there is nothing 
that matches the search (for all applications).  I said This happened 
immediately after I'd tried to 'de-google' the system as far as I was 
able.  I had removed all of the google integration settings from the 
system settings - online accounts with the exception of contacts.  It 
may have been co-incidental, but immediately after that, the problem 
first occurred.


the problem does seem to have occurred in 15.04, but as I say, the 
workaround for that no longer works.  I do have ccsm installed, but 
there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to the Unity plugin that 
looks promising.


Otherwise, it's nice to be back with Ubuntu after a few months mainly on 
Mint because of Wine being broken from 14.10 through to 15.04.  Once the 
fix reached 15.10, Mint is only there as an emergency backup.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem

[Barry Drake]

Hi Colin    Thanks for your reply which seems to have disappeared! 
No, the online search is not disabled - but I think I had it disabled 
when I was trying to avoid google interference.  Re-enabling everything 
did not cure the problem.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] WIFI sending problem ....

[Barry Drake]

On 11/08/15 21:22, Colin Law wrote:


What do you see in syslog when it disconnects?


Bless you Colin.  Looks like a hardware problem, and I think I've 
cracked it.  Never thought to look at the syslog.  Silly of me.  Thanks.


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[ubuntu-uk] WIFI sending problem ....

[Barry Drake]

Hi There ...  Just about to go off for a couple of days with my netbook. 
 Haven't used it for a month or two.  WIFI was just fine then.  I'm 
running 15.10.  I did all the updates, and as always, copied the 
.thunderbird directory over from my laptop.  I got all the more recent 
messages just fine BUT if I send a message, the WIFI connection is 
killed completely - only a re-boot gets it back.  I've tried two other 
email clients, with the same result.  I hope to receive emaile the next 
few days, but will not be able to sent to the list,  anything important, 
I can phone someone to reply to your personal email address.


First, how can I report this as a bug (what program - it is not confined 
to a specific client).  Second, anyone got any thoughts?  I'm away for a 
holiday in a few weeks, and will have to install a different OS for the 
time being if there is no solution yet.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 10 - Still a disaster zone.

[Barry Drake]

On 02/08/15 19:24, Gareth France wrote:

Today I have upgraded a family member's laptop from Windows 8.1 to
Windows 10.


I had Windows7 on a removable drive in a caddy on my desktop.  A couple 
of days ago, I downloaded the Win 10 iso and did the free upgrade.  the 
install process is painfully slow - but it worked.  I was surprised MS 
allowed me to do it!  Windows 10 itself is much much better than I 
expected.  I haven't tried to install anything - if I did, I doubt I'd 
use the 'shop'.

Next time I fire it up, I'll try installing something.
Going from Win 7 to Win 10 changes the reg. number - and Microsoft 
doesn't make it easy to retrieve it.  It's in the registry with the 
characters written in Ascii-hex.  I think I got mine back OK, but I will 
try one of the downloadable apps that get it back, next time I fire 
Windows up (not for a few months, hopefully!).


Back on topic, I am delighted that Wine now installs and works properly 
in Wily.  I have been using Mint for a while, and am glad to be back 
with Ubuntu at last!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for old computers

[Barry Drake]

On 03/07/15 09:24, Barry Drake wrote:


You'll be amazed how tiny the requirements of DSL actually are!  But it
can actually be made to look really good - it looks just like a modern
desktop if you tweak it.  And, yes, DSL (and Puppy) will go on a 5.25
floppy drive.  If there's enough RAM it will run entirely in a ramdisk
and go very fast.  With DSL, my 256 MB looks enormous, and my huge 15 GB
hard drive is way over the top.


Just a little warning.  If you have anything other than a source drive 
and a target drive plugged in when you install one of these mini 
systems, it usually seems to mess up anything else it finds.  Be safe 
and unplug anything else that isn't read-only.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for old computers

[Barry Drake]

On 03/07/15 08:37, Gareth France wrote:


Just remember, my aim is to get an old 486, ideally with 5.25 drive,
yellowed and covered in marks. It should look like it's really had a
hard life. The aim is to say 'look, a modern desktop running even on
this old thing, imagine how well it would run on your pc!'


You'll be amazed how tiny the requirements of DSL actually are!  But it 
can actually be made to look really good - it looks just like a modern 
desktop if you tweak it.  And, yes, DSL (and Puppy) will go on a 5.25 
floppy drive.  If there's enough RAM it will run entirely in a ramdisk 
and go very fast.  With DSL, my 256 MB looks enormous, and my huge 15 GB 
hard drive is way over the top.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for old computers

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On 25/06/15 11:12, Barry Drake wrote:


That's interesting!  My old pentium 4 has only 256 Mb ram.  I'm going to
try some old dimm cards to see if any are compatible


Hi there ...  I've had a very interesting time since then.  I didn't 
have a pair of suitable dimm cards, so I've stuck with the 256 MB.  I've 
now tried a whole lot of distros.  The very best results are with DSL - 
and there's now a DSL-N - which does quite a lot more.  And also Puppy. 
 That's probably the best way to demonstrate what is possible on such 
limited hardware.


BUT.  When I first installed DSL to a heard drive, it worked perfectly 
and booted just fine from the hard drive.  It just happened that I put 
it on an old IDE drive that had Ubuntu 8.04 on it.  After that, I tried 
to work with another IDE drive that had been re-partitioned recently 
using gparted.  Grub could not be installed by the DSL (or Puppy) 
installer.  It threw the error that there was no corresponding BIOS 
drive.  This has to do with a change in the way the MBR works now, 
compared with back then.


I installed 8.04 on a drive using the old hardware.  Surprisingly, 8.04 
runs on the old hardware better than I had expected!  After that, I 
installed DSL-N onto the same drive with perfect results.  Now, how to 
change the MBR on other drives without having to install 8.04   I 
think I can save the first 446 bytes of the MBR to a file using dd - I 
understand that this copies only the boot information, and not the 
partition table, so it is portable to another disk.  Having said that, I 
can't find anywhere exactly what has changed in the way in which BIOS 
boot took place then compared with now.  I've just about exhausted my 
efforts to find out on the internet ...  anybody know any more?  I'm 
really curious.


But: my answer as to the best system for seriously old computers is 
definitely DSL-N and/or Puppy.  Both seem a bit quirky at first, but 
they can both be made to do almost anything commonly needed.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for old computers

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On 25/06/15 10:41, Simon Greenwood wrote:

I came across PeppermintOS[1] recently, which is an LXDE based
distribution but a nicely designed one that replaces Firefox with
Chromium and has an inbuilt system for Chrome app integration. I'm
running it on a four year old Lenovo AMD netbook which was starting to
struggle with Xubuntu and it's increased its battery life if nothing else.


That's interesting!  My old pentium 4 has only 256 Mb ram.  I'm going to 
try some old dimm cards to see if any are compatible - Mate and most 
other lightweights need at least 500 Mb - but Peppermint seems to be 
able to work with the 256 Mb that the machine already has.   I'll give 
it a try.


I'm in the process of installing Mate on the other machine - it doesn't 
crash if I don't add nomodeset to the boot parameters.  That's quite 
something.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help! - problem installing Ubuntu

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On 25/06/15 00:10, Tony Pursell wrote:


In order to report a bug, can you tell me what I should be seeing when
my PC boots in EFI mode.  Is it a GRUB menu containing Ubuntu and Windows?


That should be exactly what you ought to be seeing.  It possibly could 
have been effected by the failed first attempt at installing, but I 
doubt it.  You said When I start the computer up, I do not get a GRUB 
menu.  I can only start Ubuntu from the computer's F12 boot menu.  It 
will then show a GRUB menu, which includes Windows Boot loader.


I've never see anything like this!  When you start the boot menu, what 
exactly do you see?  I imagine either the re-installed, or the original 
install was told to install to a partition.  I think that would have 
caused the problem.  From memory, I think if the advanced options were 
used (the 'something else' item in the installer), and you installed to 
a partition instead of to a disk, then grub doesn't get put on as a 
disk-boot installation.



Also, which package should I report the bug under?
Why should I report it from the Live USB?


The problem occurred while running the installer.  The installer is 
called 'ubiquity', and that doesn't exist on your installation, only on 
the disk.  However, if you are seeing a grub screen with both Ubuntu and 
Windows on the boot menu, then that is where the problem lies, and it is 
not a bug.  Some screenshots would help, you would need to use a camera 
though.  A screenshot of the menu that comes up when you press f12, and 
one of the grub screen you get to from there, if that is what you are 
seeing.


If I've misunderstood, please describe exactly how you get into Ubuntu.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for old computers

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Hi there ...   I mentioned getting good results with Tori OS on an old 
pentium 4.  It didn't like Zorin, but since then I've resurrected a 
newer computer that would run 14.04 Lubuntu, but was a bit stretched.  I 
tried Zorin.  It has none of the freedom of Ubuntu.  It is very heavily 
branded and 'locked in'.  To get a useable Firefox, I had to purge 
Firefox, and then delete the entire .firefox directory.  It contained a 
number of unidentifiable binaries so it's anybodies guess how they've 
crippled it.  Downloading an archive from the Firefox site, and running 
that was the only way to get something decent.  I'm sure there will be 
intrusive hacks in other programs - I just haven't found them yet.


If anyone comes up with a better option than Zorin, I'll get it!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for old computers

[Barry Drake]

On 25/06/15 10:13, Colin Law wrote:


Have you tried ubuntu mate?  I have found it good on old PCs


Thanks Colin    I never even spotted it.  I'm downloading it right 
now!  It looks as though it is well up to what I want to do.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for old computers

[Barry Drake]

On 19/06/15 08:29, Stuart Ward wrote:

Wednesday evenings it is open to the public.


Yesterday, I collected a computer from someone the local Freecycle 
group.  It had no power supply or hard drive, but otherwise is OK.  I 
rigged it up with an old spare power supply and it booted from a DVD. 
Torios is fantastic - but why doesn't the first screen tell you that 
you'll almost certainly have to use the nomodeset parameter with any 
older gear?  This computer is an old Sony - Pentium 4 a700 MHz and 256 
Mb.  But I have had to use nomodeset on a far newer and faster box that 
I've been running 14.04 on 


I'd have thought that on something like Torios, this would have been a 
'must have' with an extra option to boot with nomodeset and a little 
notice about why ...


But yes - Torios is really good.  Strange that the Torios terminal 
doesn't recognise lshw though.  Any idea why this might be?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help! - problem installing Ubuntu

[Barry Drake]

On 22/06/15 15:51, Tony Pursell wrote:

The installer (from the USB stick) was in EFI mode, and the installation
of Ubuntu is EFI as well. This is according to tests in
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI under Identifying if the
computer boots the HDD in UEFI mode and Identifying if the computer
boots the Ubuntu DVD in UEFI mode


That should not have been able to happen.  You probably ought to report 
it as a bug, doing it from the Live CD using your USB stick, and using 
ubuntu-bug.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help! - problem installing Ubuntu

[Barry Drake]

On 22/06/15 12:27, Tony Pursell wrote:


I do, however, have a residual problem.  When I start the computer up, I
do not get a GRUB menu.  I can only start Ubuntu from the computer's F12
boot menu.  It will then show a GRUB menu, which includes Windows Boot
loader.  Is there a way to go straight to the GRUB menu?  I have
followed a lot of the online advice and changed setting in the BIOS but
I don't see any advice that explicitly refers to this problem.


I think we are back to the problem I said you would get if the installer 
installed from the normal boot menu and not from the grub screen which 
only appears when you boot the disk in EFI mode.  Look at the EFI boot 
partition - it is a small partition at the beginning of the drive.  It 
is only about 240 MB in size.  In it, there will be Windows boot 
instructions in one directory, and if it has installed correctly, there 
ought to be an Ubuntu directory in the same partition with Ubuntu 
instructions.  If it is not there, the installer has installed in BIOS 
mode - and strictly, the two systems shouldn't be mixed.


If the Ubuntu directory is there, then there is a bug in the installer, 
you should report it.  In your case, it ought to be fixable by 
re-installing grub and doing an update.  That should (hopefully) not 
stop the ability to boot Windows, but only from the new grub screen.  No 
guarantees!  If you do report it as a bug, let me know - I can probably 
confirm it after a couple of tests.


If it has been installed in BIOS mode, you may get away with it if you 
do an 'install-grub' followed by an 'update-grub', but this process WILL 
destroy the ability to boot directly into Windows as you can now do. 
Hopefully, update-grub will find both systems and allow proper booting 
of both OSs from the new grub screen that will appear.  I can't 
guarantee it though, hence the BIG note of caution.  Be prepared to 
re-install Windows.


In the latter case, the safer option would be to re-install Ubuntu from 
a disk booting in EFI mode and to use the disk boot grub screen.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help! - problem installing Ubuntu

[Barry Drake]

On 20/06/15 22:01, Tony Pursell wrote:

Well, its booted into Windows showing the reduced size Windows partition.
This is the first time I have installed on a PC with EFI - is there
something I should have done first?


Very definitely.  You must boot in EFI mode.  If you don't see a grub 
screen, then it can't boot EFI from a USB stick.  I do mine from an 
external DVD   Can't you do that?  Windows will be messed up (I 
think) by grub   It messes the EFI partition up by installing grub 
into the boot sector.  Not quite sure what it will do then.  Make sure 
you can re-install Windows - you may have to.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help! - problem installing Ubuntu

[Barry Drake]

On 20/06/15 23:42, Tony Pursell wrote:

Currently, it boots to Ubuntu from a USB, if I have it plugged in,
otherwise it boots into Widows 8.1.
When booted using the live USB, the Ubuntu partition installed on the
hard drive seems to be all there, although I wouldn't know if some files


The Ubuntu partition will be all there.  No files will be missing.   The 
problem will occur if Ubuntu is not installing in EFI mode.  If it tries 
to install in BIOS mode, the installation of grub that it carries out 
will overwrite the BIOS boot sector on your HD.  You can't see any files 
on a BIOS boot sector.  All the files will be there, but if it did 
install with BIOS boot, it will mess up EFI boot.What I am saying is 
I don't know for certain what effect that will have.  Hopefully, grub 
will find Windows and make it bootable as dual boot.  I hope that will 
be the case, but make sure you have the potential to reinstall Windows 
just in case you have to.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Looking for old computers

[Barry Drake]

On 12/06/15 21:44, Gareth France wrote:

Looks different. What is it based on?


Hey - I'm really interested in this.  I quote from the Torios website: 
ToriOS, a GNU/Linux Distribution based on Ubuntu LTS, will be 
potentially one of the strongest systems available for NON-PAE machines.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Annoying installation problem ....

[Barry Drake]

On 06/06/15 18:29, Daniel Llewellyn wrote:


the grub menu is used when booting the disc via native EFI, whereas the
orange screen is for El Torito dvd boot. This difference will explain
the differences you see from the first install attempt and your
subsequent attempts.


Thanks for that.

I have now raised a bug report at: Bug #1462650, so any comments there 
would be a help.


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[ubuntu-uk] Annoying installation problem ....

[Barry Drake]

Hi there    I had a most annoying problem when installing the 
testing version of Wily - 15.10.  I have two internal drives.  One 
currently has Mint installed, and the other had 15.04 testing in use 
until I installed 15.10.


Following the defaults, the installer warned me that it wanted to 
install a boot partition and that this might not support a legacy BIOS 
boot that it had detected on another installation.  It gave me no 
alternative but a manual partitioning.  I followed the defaults.  The 
result was that the drive with Ubuntu on would not boot.  I had to boot 
into Mint and do 'update-grub' in order to make it bootable from the 
other drive.  After trying to install a legacy boot partition to the 
Ubuntu drive, I ended up with so many problems that I re-installed 
15.10.  This time, I was not asked the same question, and the install 
took place with no separate boot partition and behaved the way it 
previously had on earlier versions.


I'd like to find a way of reporting this as a bug.  Any suggestion as to 
what program to tell ubuntu-bug I have a problem with?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Annoying installation problem ....

[Barry Drake]

On 06/06/15 11:07, Colin Law wrote:

On 6 June 2015 at 10:32, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote:

On 06/06/15 08:31, Colin Law wrote:


I don't think 'sda' is a valid answer to all the questions, notably:
As originally setup how did you select which system to boot from? Did
you tell the BIOS to boot off one disk or the other, or did you get a
grub menu that allowed you to select which one?


During installation, I used the BIOS boot menu to boot from a DVD.  This 
is not the BIOS default, which I had at that time set to boot from sda. 
 Both sda and sdb had a boot sector with grub installed.  The grub menu 
on both had been configured to allow booting from either of the two 
operating systems.  In this case, I had booted straight from the DVD so 
the installation should not have detected any extraneous information.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Annoying installation problem ....

[Barry Drake]

On 06/06/15 11:50, Colin Law wrote:


You did not answer the other questions on my previous post.  Apologies
if that is because you still have to sort out the answers.  I thought
I had better say in case you had missed the questions.


Sorry Colin .  I saw all the questions - the fact is I did not boot 
from the grub menu which was normally used to boot in the manner stated. 
 During installation, I had booted directly from the DVD.  Please ask 
me which part of the question I had not answered.  The BIOS boot setting 
was set to sda, but this was not used when booting the live DVD for 
installation.


During the running of the live DVD, neither sda nor sdb were mounted 
until the installer mounted sdb and re-formatted it.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Annoying installation problem ....

[Barry Drake]

On 06/06/15 12:19, Colin Law wrote:


How were you trying to boot off sdb (when it would not boot)?
What exactly happened when you tried?


The installer requested that I restart the system and ejected the DVD as 
normal.  On restart, I first allowed the normal grub screen (from sda) 
to appear.  This was my normal, unaltered grub screen, so I then 
re-boooted, and used the BIOS boot menu (entered by pressing the F11 key 
on my system) to boot from sdb.  It failed with a message that seemed to 
indicate that sdb was not bootable.  I booted from the grub-screen into 
Mint, and used update-grub to make the grub menu pick up the Ubuntu 
installation, which it did.



You should not have expected the grub on sda to be updated, as if I
understand correctly what you did that should not have affected sda at
all.


At this point, it had not affected sda at all.  I had to update grub 
manually on sda to get into Ubuntu at all.



Are you sure you selected sdb as the drive to put grub on?  I think it
may default to sda, but not sure.  Perhaps that is the difference
between the first and second goes.


It did put grub on sdb - on a separate boot partition.  The grub.config 
file appeared to be correctly formed.  Why it would not boot when I 
selected sdb, I have no clue at all.  After that, I installed grub as a 
legacy bios boot, first onto the existing FAT32 partition, and then onto 
the same partition formatted ext4, and finally after deleting the boot 
partition entirely, installing grub to the main system ext partition.  I 
had no success with any of these, except to drop me into an emergency 
terminal when booting from sdb.  The x-server was not available and 
failed to start even manually from the command line.


When I decided to re-install, everything was the same as before, but the 
warning did not appear at all.  Grub was installed to sda only, and sdb 
was not at that time made bootable.  I did this manually later.  I 
didn't understand why there should have been any change in behaviour. 
Happy to answer any more questions, but I did not make an exact record 
of the error messages first time around as I had assumed that 
re-installing grub to sdb would fix the problem.  When that failed, I 
sat with pen in hand    but really got nothing helpful.


To be honest, the only place I have found similar annoying behaviour was 
when installing a legacy OS (Win 7) onto a removable drive in a caddy. 
I ended up having to unplug both internal drives physically to make a 
working version.  Now, I can plug that drive in and boot into it (sdc) 
and it thinks it is the only drive, so I am OK.  That really was annoying!!!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Annoying installation problem ....

[Barry Drake]

On 06/06/15 08:31, Colin Law wrote:


Assuming the drives were sda and sdb which is which?
As originally setup how did you select which system to boot from?  Did
you tell the BIOS to boot off one disk or the other or did you get a
grub menu that allowed you to select which one?
If it was the latter then which drive did it actually boot from to
give you the grub menu (as setup in BIOS)?


Thanks Colin    The answer to all three questions is sda.  I was 
installing to sdb, following all the defaults for reformatting and using 
the entire drive.  Mint was (is) on sda.  On completing the 
installation, sdb would not boot, although it had what looked like a 
valid boot installation on a 510 Mb FAT32 boot partition.  Nor had sda 
had an update to grub.  I really can't see why it had messed up what it 
ought to have done with the boot/grub process on sdb.


Neither can I see why it handled the re-installation differently. 
Basically, the installer doesn't seem to be able to handle systems with 
more than one bootable hard drive very intuitively.  The second 
installation did not make sdb bootable at all!  It re-installed grub to 
sda, and did an update-grub to that drive.  I had to install grub 
manually to sdb and do an update to that drive to make it bootable.  I 
find it most curious!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Annoying installation problem ....

[Barry Drake]

On 06/06/15 16:11, Colin Law wrote:


picture of a man and keyboard at the bottom of screen?  If so what
happens if you immediately hit a key?


Yes there is.  If I hit a key, I get a menu, but it is not the grub menu 
I got on first boot from the disk.  It does not include the OEM install 
option.  First time around, I didn't hit a key, and the first screen was 
definitely a grub menu that included that choice as well as the expected 
ones.



when you get round to it I believe you should run from the DVD and
then  ubuntu-bug ubiquity


I'll do a bit more research and write a very detailed report to go with 
the bug report, then do it from the live DVD version.  Thanks for that. 
 I don't know how I'd cope with a slow interned feed these days.  The 
DVD ISO took less than ten minutes to download to me.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Annoying installation problem ....

[Barry Drake]

On 06/06/15 17:03, Colin Law wrote:

 Is it possible, on your first attempt, that before selecting the erase
 all option you had gone into the Something Else option and selected
 sdb as the boot loader destination?  Unfortunately I have not got a
 spare machine at the moment and don't want to go past the Erase Disk
 option in case I accidentally erase my working system.

No, definitely not.  It is only about a couple of weeks since I put a 
new release on my netbook, so I did exactly what I wanted to do first 
time, and that did mean I went straight to the 'Erase disk ... ' option. 
 I know what you mean about not wanting to go past the 'Erase disk' 
option.  I've clobbered a system accidentally before now, more than 
once!  Fortunately I usually have very recent backups, but even so, it 
is a pain.


 When you go onto the page where you select which disc to erase is
 there nothing about boot loader destination?

Absolutely nothing anywhere.  As far as I remember, I have never seen 
that as an option unless I have wanted to use the 'advanced' manual 
install option, and I never use that when testing.  It has always gone 
onto the same drive I am installing to up to this version, so something 
has messed it up - and I think it has to do with the default being 
changed to a FAT32 boot partition at the beginning of the disk.  I guess 
that is at the root of this bug.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Annoying installation problem ....

[Barry Drake]

On 06/06/15 14:40, Colin Law wrote:


I that case perhaps, as I suggested, you did not tell the installer to
use sdb for boot.


As Ubuntu is now so quick and easy to install, I popped a spare 80GiB 
drive into my caddy, and repeated the exact procedure to install onto 
sdc (the 80GiB drive).

1) Boot from DVD.
2) Select 'Install Ubuntu' from the first partition.
3) Followed defaults after selecting 'Erase disk and install Ubuntu', 
and selecting sdc as the disk to be erased.
At no point was there anything to ask where I wanted grub to go.  I 
think this can only be done from the manual install screen.  As on the 
second occasion, there was no message about the boot not being 
compatible with legacy BIOS.


After the requested restart at the end of the installation, grub had 
been installed and updated to sda, and showed Mint, and the two 
installations of Ubuntu (the one on sdb and the one on sdc).  sdc itself 
had not been made bootable.


That does not explain why it would not boot off sdb the first time,
but it is may be too late to work that out now.


It is also very difficult to understand why there were two differences 
in behaviour from the same DVD.  On the first installation, I was taken 
to a grub screen to select Live DVD, installation or OEM installation. 
The second and third time, I did not get this, or the subsequent warning 
about no compatibility with legacy BIOS.  The disk is read only, and 
finalised.  I can't think where the installer might have stored the new 
information ...  The reason I am asking all this is because I understand 
so little about the installer itself - It's wonderful unless you have 
more than one disk drive available.


I always follow the installation defaults whenever I install the testing 
version, as I assume that is what the majority of folk will do.  That 
way, hopefully, problems I find will be similar for most folk.  I 
suppose I could burn a fresh DVD and do another fresh install to sdc to 
see what happens, but if the information is not on the DVD, I guess the 
same would happen as before.


Back to me real question - how can I report this strange behaviour?  I 
do regard it as a bug.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

[Barry Drake]

On 02/05/15 22:30, Gareth France wrote:

Ok, I am really, really needing some help here. I have resolved all the
issues one by one, except for an issue with the format. It is set to 3.0
(quilt) but I keep getting this error:


Gareth   Just over a year ago, I had a go at making a Debian Sword 
set of packages.  The errors you are getting seem remarkably similar. 
After a lot of discussion on a Deban packaging list, I discovered that 
the Sword stuff simply would not build properly under Ubuntu.  Solution: 
use debootstrap.  This creates a Debian minimal installation in a chroot 
environment ...  the instructions for debootstrap are very complex - but 
it does do the lintian checks properly and I got working packages that I 
was able to test out properly.  I handed it over to someone (I can't 
remember who) and after a couple of tweaks, it passed Debian.  Same 
thing ought to be OK for Ubuntu packages.  Get back to me if you want 
more info.  I have a few notes, but memory is less certain after over a 
year.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues packaging software

[Barry Drake]

On 03/05/15 20:04, Gareth France wrote:

As most people are now well aware I'm desperate to be able to work out
GUI programming, but it does not seem to be my fate. There must be a
correct way to submit a commercial command line only program. It is
virtually useless if each user must be taught to use the full path each
time.


Gareth - I'm away from my main computer at the moment and don't have all 
the stuff with me.  This is the critical patch from the Sword library 
package.  I is a copy of Dmitri's original from an earlier Sword Debian 
package.  I do remember not being able to get it to work properly until 
I was told to use the chroot version of Debian.  I spent many frustrated 
hours trying.  There is no gui in the Sword engine - it's pure library 
binary stuff with the odd commanline program - and it was just fine. 
Your program does not need to be gui - it just needs to put stuff where 
Debian/Ubuntu allows it.  pbuilder under debootstrap is very strict, and 
gives a lot more error messages.


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Description: add multiarch location
Author: Dmitrijs Ledkovs dmitrij.led...@ubuntu.com

--- sword-1.6.2+dfsg.orig/cmake/FindCLucene.cmake
+++ sword-1.6.2+dfsg/cmake/FindCLucene.cmake
@@ -46,6 +46,7 @@ SET(TRIAL_LIBRARY_PATHS
 	/opt/local/lib${LIB_SUFFIX}
 	/usr/lib${LIB_SUFFIX}
 	/usr/lib64
+	/usr/lib/${CMAKE_LIBRARY_ARCHITECTURE}
 	/sw/lib${LIB_SUFFIX}
 	/usr/pkg/lib${LIB_SUFFIX}
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wine bug - new package?

[Barry Drake]

On 30/03/15 00:22, James Morrissey wrote:


Doesn't seem to fix the problem mentioned in the bugs offered by Barry:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.6/+bug/1414995
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.6/+bug/1383214
 Can someone tell me how to install an older version?


Don't even try!  I did - and broke almost everything because of 
incompatible QT stuff.  The whole problem as far as I can see, was down 
to the latest QT being incompatible with the current wine package.  I've 
flagged it up with the last known Ubuntu wine package maintainer but 
with no success as shown in  the above.


Looks like someone ought to take it up with wineHQ.  It is really up to 
the Ubuntu folk to find a willing packager.  There is a fixed Debian DEB 
package, but Ubuntu won't install it properly .  It won't meet the 
dependencies - possibly because of more anomalies - I forget what the 
messages say!


As I say, the problem is fixed in wine itself - if you want to grab the 
code and build the wine package you could do that.  But I think you'll 
get the same dependency problems that the Debian package shows.  It is 
just easier for me to use Mint for the time being.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wine bug - new package?

[Barry Drake]

On 25/03/15 12:28, Tony Pursell wrote:

There is a ppa for up-to-date Wine versions, if you can enable it in Mint.


Thanks for that.  I'm OK in Mint as it uses an older package.  I can't 
install a legacy package in the current Ubuntu, as the gnu dependencies 
are what cause the problem.


I have left a Launchpad message for the packager.  This packager doesn't 
seem to be very active at the moment.  Anybody know any more about this? 
 A lot of folk depend heavily on wine, so it seems important to me that 
we get things sorted.


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[ubuntu-uk] Wine bug - new package?

[Barry Drake]

Hi ...I'm currently using Mint more than Ubuntu because of the need 
for Windows apps installed under Wine.  The bug I reported way back, 
that Wine cannot be made to open Microsoft .msi files, was fixed way 
back.  If any of you are in touch with the Wine packagers for Ubuntu, 
you might mention that the package containing the fix had not appeared 
in 15.04 as of yesterday.  It would be great if it found its way in 
before release date (and I can get back to using Ubuntu all the time!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wine bug - new package?

[Barry Drake]

On 25/03/15 10:44, Colin Law wrote:


Can you provide more details of the package containing the fix.  Is
that a specific version of wine or what?
Also the link to the relevant bugs might be useful.


It's a long time since it was fixed.   I reported the bug at: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.6/+bug/1414995 and it 
did have a duplicate: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.6/+bug/1383214  The fix 
was actually an upstream fix to one of the gnu components in wine.  The 
Ubuntu bug that I reported was marked as fixed more than a month ago.


The problem is still there in the version of wine that is in the current 
package in 15.04, and 14.10.  There is no package that contains the fix 
in the Ubuntu repo.  Mint uses an earlier Ubuntu package, which is why I 
am able to work with it.  I think the problem began in 14.10.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] SOT - What phone do you use?

[Barry Drake]

On 06/03/15 09:10, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:


Just trying to get a straw poll of what phones people use here and  why...



Mine's currently a Huawei Ascend Y300-100.  I got it because it was a 
cheap option, with a lot of internal memory (I thought).  In practice, I 
haven't found a way or rooting it, so the useable memory now is less 
than I achieved on my rooted Samsung Galaxy.  Memory handling is awful 
on Android systems.  I think you need to do a factory reset every six 
months.  Also, I've now gone very sour towards Android since I bought an 
Android Tablet, and got so frustrated with the way it wanted me to work 
that I gave it the grand kids.


I expect my next phone will be an Ubuntu Phone.  It will depend on what 
apps I can get for it.  The only two Android apps I depend on are the 
free satnav app, and the Virgin phone app that lets me make WiFi calls 
from anywhere in the world via my landline based system.  I used to use 
Callcentric for voip calls, at two-cents a minute.  These calls are now 
free courtesy of Virginmedia!  Does the Ubuntu phone currently run a 
compatibility layer to support Android apps?


I'm not planning upgrading anytime soon, but I'm going to need to know 
what it can do before I get one.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with wine ....

[Barry Drake]

On 27/01/15 12:42, Daniel Llewellyn wrote:
you mentioned earlier in the thread that you successfully ran the 
installation on an copy of mint using the same ubuntu packages. Was 
that possibly using a different .wine directory? Have you tried 
against an entirely virgin .wine directory


Tried everything you suggest.  Colin was spot on with his duplicate.  
I'd tried looking for it but hadn't tried what he had tried.  The 
duplicate seems to assume the problem exists in wine. Mint, from scratch 
in a fresh installation which I did yesterday uses the identical Ubuntu 
packages from the Ubuntu repos.  This is using 'sudo apt-get install 
wine' in the Mint commandline.  Same packages, identical directory 
structure - but one works, the other doesn't.


Thanks Colin.  I've posted to 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.6/+bug/1383214 giving a 
bit of the story and putting in a link to #1414995


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with wine ....

[Barry Drake]

On 20/01/15 10:50, Barry Drake wrote:
Hi there   Some time ago, I mentioned that I could not install 
.msi files using wine. 


I've reported this as a wine bug at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1414995

Please, please would somebody take five minutes to repeat and confirm 
this bug.  If you find any .msi file that loads, I owe you a pint!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with wine ....

[Barry Drake]

On 27/01/15 14:54, Colin Law wrote:
In the working mint and the non-working ubuntu what do apt-cache 
policy wine and apt-cache policy wine1.6 and which msiexec show? Colin 


I think you've got it Colin.  The packages appeared to be the same, I 
hadn't spotted the '4' and the '6' after 'ubuntu' in the name. This is 
what I get from the above:


barry@mint ~ $ apt-cache policy wine
wine:
  Installed: 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4
  Candidate: 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4
  Version table:
 *** 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4 0
500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 
Packages

100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
barry@mint ~ $ apt-cache policy wine1.6
wine1.6:
  Installed: 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4
  Candidate: 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4
  Version table:
 *** 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu4 0
500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 
Packages

100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
barry@mint ~ $ which msiexec
/usr/bin/msiexec

barry@vivid:~$ apt-cache policy wine
wine:
  Installed: 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu6
  Candidate: 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu6
  Version table:
 *** 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu6 0
500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ vivid/universe amd64 
Packages

100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
barry@vivid:~$ apt-cache policy wine1.6
wine1.6:
  Installed: 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu6
  Candidate: 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu6
  Version table:
 *** 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu6 0
500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ vivid/universe amd64 
Packages

100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
barry@vivid:~$ which msiexec
/usr/bin/msiexec

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with wine ....

[Barry Drake]

On 27/01/15 11:53, Colin Law wrote:
I see from the bug report that you have used the command wine msiexec 
-i ActivePython-2.7.8.10-win32-x86.msi What happens if you just use 
msiexec -i ActivePython-2.7.8.10-win32-x86.msi Colin
Exactly the same happens.  I think msiexec is becoming obsolete now.  
wine [installer_name].msi works under up-to-date versions of wine.  I 
think it's left there as a legacy command.  Here's what I get:

$ msiexec -i ActivePython-2.7.8.10-win32-x86.msi
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 1 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 2 out of range
fixme:storage:create_storagefile Storage share mode not implemented.
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 1 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 2 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 1 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 2 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 1 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 2 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 3 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 1 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 2 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 3 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 1 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 2 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 3 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 1 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 2 out of range
err:msidb:get_tablecolumns column 3 out of range

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with wine ....

[Barry Drake]

On 27/01/15 17:14, Colin Law wrote:
I might suggest that high horses are out of order when complaining 
about problems in an alpha release :) Colin 


Oops!  I hadn't realised I was giving that impression.  Apologies to 
anyone for my own misunderstanding.  :(


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[ubuntu-uk] Windows?

[Barry Drake]

Hi there    I quite like this: 
http://view.email.telegraph.co.uk/?j=fe8917787060077572m=fe991570766c027975ls=fe1d1d70766c0d7f7d1176l=ff051570746503s=fe1b15767067037a7c1c76jb=ff991674ju=fe2615747c610774741c71r=0


Pity it doesn't mention Linux though.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows?

[Barry Drake]

On 22/01/15 13:43, Dave Morley wrote:
Why would it mention Linux it is a report on the Windows 10 tech 
review launch yesterday


Because it mentions Google Chrome and Android - both of which are 
non-Windows operating systems (and both of which are Linux based).


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Posting conventions - was Re: Keyobard issues in 14.10

[Barry Drake]

On 22/01/15 11:24, Stuart Ward wrote:
Be aware that some deluded people are using things like outlook that 
top posts by default, making it hard for themselves..
Outlook?   Ah yes, I remember    amazed it's still around.  I gave 
Outlook Express up for Pegasus mail way back in the '80s.  This really 
brings back memories.  Hard to imagine many using a Microsoft program on 
an Ubuntu list though.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Problem with wine ....

[Barry Drake]

On 20/01/15 12:12, Paul Sladen wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, Barry Drake wrote:

impossible to install .msi file using wine under Ubuntu

Which precise .msi file?  (ie. URL)
Several - every single one I tried fails.  One in particular is Python - 
either Python 2.7 from https://www.python.org/  using: 
https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-279/  another is 
ActivePython:  http://www.activestate.com/activepython/downloads but 
I've tried a whole lot more randomly chosen .msi files just to know 
where I was at.
Which exact suggestions did you try? (ie. exact command lines/steps). 


msiexec [filename] was the main one.  This gave EXACTLY the same error 
output as did trying to use Wine to run the .msi files  The problem is 
so obvious and reproducible the messing about that I did after that is 
of no consequence, and I did not record what I did when it achieved nothing.

I've been taking part in a discussion on a forum ...
Someone who uses Mint got the system working ...
I looked long and hard at the Python code

URLs for all three of these please ?


I only have one - apart from Mint itself (http://www.linuxmint.com/).  
Why do you ask for three?  The forum is at: 
https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/drm-removal-tools-for-ebooks/#comments 
and it's such a poor site I can't get you directly to the comment. 
Search the page for barrydrake and you'll find all of my stuff, and the 
discussions with (mainly) Paul Durrant - but others did respond as I 
responded to others.  The Python code is of no consequence as it fails 
because of lack of Python running under Wine.  Details of the behaviour 
of the code, including debug logs is posted on the forum - if anyone has 
the patience to plough through it.


And before anyone comments on my reason for having to remove the DRM - 
my e-book reader is not compatible with books I have purchased online, 
so I can no longer read them now I have sold my old ebook reader.  But 
that has nothing to do with the problem in Ubuntu/Wine.


Regards,Barry.



is there an Ubuntu/wine person that I could report this to?

Regardless of whom it is reported to, collectively, people will need
the exact steps to try to reproduce the issue.

-Paul





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[ubuntu-uk] Problem with wine ....

[Barry Drake]

Hi there   Some time ago, I mentioned that I could not install .msi 
files using wine.  The suggestions were mostly things I's already 
tried.  I now confirm that it is impossible to install .msi file using 
wine under Ubuntu - and I have proof that this is NOT a wine problem!


I've been taking part in a discussion on a forum devoted to a Calibre 
plugin that uses Python to interact with two different Windows programs 
running under wine.  Someone who uses Mint got the system working that I 
needed to use.  In the course of discussion helping him, I looked long 
and hard at the Python code that is used to move information between 
wine programs, and Calibre running under Linux.  I could see where my 
problem was occurring, but to prove it out, I installed Mint on a spare 
hard-drive.  When I installed wine under Mint, I was amazed to discover 
that Mint was using the wine and associated packages from the Ubuntu 
repository!  And this same wine installation that fails under Ubuntu 
works perfectly under Mint!


There is a problem.  As it doesn't seem to be a wine problem, is there 
an Ubuntu/wine person that I could report this to?


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[ubuntu-uk] Posting conventions - was Re: Keyobard issues in 14.10

[Barry Drake]

On 17/01/15 22:28, Gareth France wrote:
As for inline posting it just seems like a lot more effort and an 
order of magnitude slower to delete the bits that aren't needed and 
spread my reply out over umpteen different locations in the mail.


Hi folk    Inline posting is sometimes a pain to do - but almost 
always worth the effort when an issue is complex.  Let me remind folk of 
my own pet hate!  When a poster takes 'bottom posting' as an excuse to 
post an almost entire thread above a two line almost insignificant 
reply.  I rarely receive e-mail on a smartphone, but when I do, that 
kind of irresponsible bottom posting send my finger straight to the 
delete button!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Keyobard issues in 14.10

[Barry Drake]

On 18/01/15 09:15, Colin Law wrote:
Also if that is the version of ibus then I deduce you are running 
Ubuntu 14.10, whereas the new ibus is for 14.04, so it won't help 
anyway. I don't know, but I suspect it may not be back ported for 
14.10 as that will be superseded in a few months anyway.


One advantage of running the latest versions is that I get the updates 
straight away.  The keyboard problem seems to be well fixed in 15.10, 
and although I rarely drop back to 15.04, I think it's fixed there too.  
It's just so easy to re-install every six months, I don't know why 
anyone struggles on with anything but the latest.


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[ubuntu-uk] Icons go missing ...

[Barry Drake]

Hi there   I'm running 15.04 testing 64bit, on a desktop pc. For  
month or two now, the Unity launcher bar loses icons after (usually) the 
second launch of a particular program during a session.  Firefox and 
Thunderbird are two such icons.  In each case, the specified icon is 
replaced by a grey square with a question mark. After re-boot, all icons 
are restored.  I'd like to file a bug report, but I don't know whether 
this is a Unity bug, or something that is part of something Unity uses.


Any thoughts?

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