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Fellow citizens:

According to AP wire dispatch, quoting UPDF Army spokesman (attached below) Yoweri Museveni's UPDF claimed to have attacked and killed 36 LRA "rebels" and "rescued " 22 abducted kids from the "rebels".

Magazi says they used Helicopter gunships in what he called "good battle planning" to kill the "rebels" .

The AP reporter goes on to say that Magazi's claims cannot be "independently verify"...and that "The rebels, who rarely make contact with the outside world, could not be reached for comment."

What this implies is that a) One can believe Magazi's claims at face value
or
b) Question part or all of his claims.

I would go with option b). I believe that 36 acholi children were killed by UPDF. I do not believe that this acholi kids were "rebels".

The NRM/UPDF ,( which by the way lacks credibility) are known to kill acholi kids and then claim to the outside world and then to Ugandans that the UPDF killed so many "rebels".

It does not bother Museveni even one iota that he has been fighting the wars in Northern Uganda for close to 18 years.and during this time he has been killing acholi kids in the name of "killing Rebels" by the thousands.

Moreover, in spite of Museveni's/UPDF claims of killing the "rebels" the war in Northern Uganda continues and from what the situation looks like on the ground in Northern Uganda, it is likely to continue for many more years ..so long as Kaguta is in power In Kampala.

Matek

Army Attacks Rebels in Northern Uganda

.c The Associated Press

KAMPALA, Uganda (AP) - Government soldiers backed by helicopter gunships attacked a group of rebels in a remote village in northern Uganda, killing 36 insurgents, an army spokesman said Thursday.

The attack occurred Wednesday in Ngora, about 242 miles north of Kampala, after the army pursued a group of rebels of the Lord's Resistance Army who had raided a nearby camp for displaced people, said Lt. Chris Magezi.

Besides killing 36 rebels, the army also rescued 22 children who had been abducted, Magezi said.

It was not possible to independently verify the information. The rebels, who rarely make contact with the outside world, could not be reached for comment.

``These rebels had attacked a nearby camp for displaced people. We followed them. It was simply good battle planning and we first encircled the enemy and pinned them down and we destroyed them using ground forces and helicopters,'' Magezi said by telephone from the region.

He said no government forces were killed in the fighting.

Led by Joseph Kony, who claims to have spiritual powers, the Lord's Resistance Army is a shadowy organization that has been fighting President Yoweri Museveni, a southerner, since he came to power in 1986 after a five-year bush war.

The rebels have wreaked havoc across northern and northeastern Uganda, forcing an estimated 1 million people to flee their homes. The group replenishes its ranks with children it abducts to use as fighters, porters or concubines.

02/19/04 07:37 EST

"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state."

- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister

ugnet_: Quick pick comes to town - the native is saved

2004-02-20 Thread dbbwanika db

Dec 9 - 15, 2003

KAMPALA - Quick Pick International Sports Betting opened its doors to Kampala punters in late November, becoming Uganda's first betting shop.

Kampala City Council licensed Quick Pick, which also operates in South Africa.

In the past two weeks, owner John Jenkins has had some 600 customers through his doors in Kabalagala.

Jenkins plans to open two more betting shops, one in Makerere University and the other in Old Taxi Park in February 2004. Altogether he plans to open up to 40 shops in and around Kampala.

Owner John Jenkins has spent thirty years in the sports betting business in Europe. Jenkins's company Quick Pick owns more than 500 betting shops in Europe, where people gamble on the outcome of boxing matches, horse races, football and rugby.

Currently, people can gamble on the results of international football matches. Soon, they will be able to gamble on the results of beauty contests and boxing matches.

Jenkin's investment has been high, in the expectation of high returns. He spent more than $30,000 on buying the plot and three decoders. He has also bought three TV screens, which cost him $4,500. Three matches are broadcast at any one time. Customers pay entrance and betting fees.

The minimum bet is Shs 1,000. So far, he has had two big winners. One gambled Shs 80,000 and won Shs 800,000. A second won Shs 600,000.

A gambler bets a certain amount of money that a team will win - the betting shop calculates the 'odds' depending on the likelihood of that team winning.
The greater the chance the team has of winning, the lower the multiple. The greater the chance the team has of losing, the higher the multiple.

The profits from gambling can be high - for the betting shop owner. During the World Cup of 1998, he earned $7 million a week in England.

The most a gambler ever won from his company was 720,000 pounds. Joel Muganga, a shopkeeper in Bunga, won Shs 200,000 at Quick Pick. He used the money to restock his shop and said he plans to gamble again. Jenkins' interest in gambling has been life long.

He says his interest grew because when he was still young, he had many English friends who were gamblers.

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The same party that drove his dad into exile and ultimately his death.sometimes Congress is so comic.Maybe the Boston strangler supported neck massages.

ugnet_: Security Back in Teso Region

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"SECURITY has been restored in your homes!

Go and prepare your gardens for the new planting season because the rains are coming next month," the UPDF spokesperson, Maj. Shaban Bantariza recently assured the internally displaced people (IDPs).Following fresh and heavy deployment, the Uganda People's Defence Forces and the Arrow Group are urging thousands of people who fled the Lord's Resistance Army terror in June 2003 to return home.

"Security in Teso is guaranteed. It is now 98% fine."We have formed a huge mobile force of the UPDF assisted by wananchi in Teso with the Arrow Group and those in Lango with the Amuka Militia," Bantariza said.

The Amuka chairperson, Mike Mukula, also appealed to the IDPs to go home."Security has been restored in Teso. Our people should go home and prepare their gardens for the March rains so that they can plant," Mukula said.

"The Government is planning to give them seeds and other forms of assistance so that they can reorganise their lives again," he said."Kony will soon be a thing of the past," Bantariza said.

- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister

ugnet_: Americans Begin Fleeing Fear-Gripped Haiti

U.S. Ambassador John Maisto told delegates that Haiti's crisis "is due in large part to the FAILURE OF THE GOVERNMENT OF HAITI TO ACT IN A TIMELY MANNER TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS THAT IT KNEW WERE GROWING"

Americans Begin Fleeing Fear-Gripped Haiti

51 minutes ago

By MICHAEL NORTON, Associated Press Writer PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - Americans began fleeing Haiti on Friday after insurgents torched police outposts and threatened new attacks in a spreading rebellion against President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who defiantly declared he's ready to die for his nation.

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Slideshow: Haiti Uprising

In Haiti's west, pro-Aristide supporters burned down homes in a seaside neighborhood and fired guns above the heads of residents who jumped into the ocean for safety. There were no immediate reports of casualties. Meanwhile, the new leader of several rebel groups, Guy Philippe, said he plans to attack Cap-Haitien, the government's last remaining stronghold in the north, during carnival celebrations starting Friday. Philippe was Aristide's police chief in Cap-Haitien but fled in 2002 amid charges he was plotting a coup.

Citing mounting violence, the United States on Thursday urged the more than 20,000 Americans in Haiti to leave while transportation was still available. The Peace Corps also said it was withdrawing about 70 volunteers. The Pentagon (news - web sites) said it was sending a small military team to assess the security of the U.S. Embassy and its staff. The United States is putting air marshals on every flight in and out of Haiti, a federal official said on condition of anonymity. There are three flights every day from Miami and one from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York.

Authorities said they were worried about the possibility of an airline hijacking amid the clamor of people trying to get out of the country. Radio stations reported that rebels torched the police station at the northeast border post of Ouanaminthe on Thursday, and witnesses said police fled in fear from their posts in northern Fort Liberte. No rebels were in sight. The northern rebellion has killed dozens of people, including about 40 police officers, according to Jean-Gerard Dubreuil, undersecretary for public security.

During the night, truckloads of pro-Aristide gunmen attacked a neighborhood in western St. Marc and burned down seven houses, American missionary Terry Snow said, adding that 15 Americans in his group of 20 missionaries fled Haiti this week. As their houses burned, residents jumped into the sea to get away from gunmen shooting into the air, said Snow, originally from Granbury, Texas. "These are all innocent people they are not involved in the political conflict," said Snow, 39, who has lived in the neighborhood for 13 years. "Innocent people are being killed and houses are burned down every day and night in St. Marc and the police are doing nothing."

Snow said the city has been terrorized by the pro-Aristide "Clean Sweep" gang since police regained the city from about 100 rebels last week. Aristide, wildly popular when he became Haiti's first freely elected leader in 1990, lost support after flawed legislative elections in 2000 led international donors to freeze millions of dollars in aid. Even before the rebellion, about half of Haiti's 8 million people went hungry daily, according to aid groups.
The latest violence came as the United States and other nations prepared to present Aristide and opposition officials with a political plan as early as Friday. The plan calls for an interim governing council to advise Aristide, the disarmament of politically allied street gangs and the appointment of a prime minister agreeable to both sides.

Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said the plan does not call for Aristide's resignation, but the United States would not object if he agreed during negotiations to leave office early. Aristide's term ends February 2006. Aristide who has survived three assassination attempts and a coup d'etat was defiant Thursday, saying, "I am ready to give my life if that is what it takes to defend my country." Aristide has said he could not negotiate with "terrorists," though opposition leaders deny his charges that they back the rebels.

"If you are talking about the opposition that is publicly supporting terrorists, don't think I will have the irresponsibility of handing them over such a (prime ministerial) post," Aristide told Radio Canada. Opposition leader Evans Paul countered by saying, "It will be difficult for us to accept any proposal that doesn't include Aristide's resignation." The Organization of American States approved a resolution Thursday night expressing "firm support" for Aristide's government in its efforts to "restore public order by constitutional means."

OAS Secretary-General Cesar Gaviria said he was confident that a political solution could come "not in months, but in weeks."

Re: ugnet_: RE: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism


Mr. Joracha:
Whatever gives you the notion that I have a problem with Northerners (or are you up to your tricks again of trying to put words in my mouth)? In your mind is UPC = Northern Uganda?
Pray tell, where in my message did mention anything about the North?
Let me state categorically: my problem is with the UPC period -- regardless of where they hail from. They have massacred us on two different occassions (Obote I  Obote II), and will do so if given another chance.
What part of that don't you understand Mr. Joracha?
Ssemakula

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Subject: Re: ugnet_: RE: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism 
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:13:12 EST 

Semakula: 
Apparently everything that you have said has been done by the present regime 
more than the past. So where do we go from here as Uganda from different parts 
of the same country? Do you think your method will solve uganda's problem as 
a nation? 

Do you think it would be a good idea to cut off the northerners beyond a 
certain line so that no one can cross that line? There is however a possibility 
that you are not yet mature enough to talk about the affairs of country with so 
many diverse culture and people as Uganda. I wonder wheter you know why we 
have constitution. Just think, or try to think a little bit this time, and you 
may find that the solution to the problem is being treated equal in the eyes of 
the law. 

Kong watemu do en ryeko wu ni! 

In a message dated 2/19/2004 2:33:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
I'dn't trust the UPC further than I can throw them -- which is not very far; 
nor give their lies any currency. 
Unfortunately, while DP undergoes its re-birth, the UPC are lurching onto the 
very ideas we have long advocated, especially federalism based on 
economically viable units/states -- ideas that the UPC have in the past worked tirelessly 
to destroy, hinder and/or otherwise obsfucate. 
It is encumbate (sp) upon all of us to keep remindind Ugandans, especially 
the UB40s, on UPC's well-documented role in causing chaos in Uganda on two 
separate occassions: Obote I and Obote II. 
UPC is our enemy, nor matter how they package themselves. Remember 
Naakulabye! Remember the infamous killing fields of 'Luweero Triangle'! Remember 'Panda 
Gari'! Remember 1966!, etc, etc. Never, never again! 
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ugnet_: Mulattos and America's right wing out to wipe the blackman off the face of ...


A Mulatto steeped in supremacyand America's right-wing-enslavers are out to wipe the blackman off the face of the earth in Haiti.
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Asante sana, Ndugu Vukoni.
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Instead of Dr. Ruth, a Nurse Called Sue 

February 19, 2004 
By MIREYA NAVARRO 





With typical bluntness Sue Johanson tells older men and 
women to get over body image: the "turkey neck," the "wear 
and tear," the hormonal deficiencies. But in her cheerful, 
no-nonsense style she adds that there are creams, patches 
and pills to help them, and if all else fails, that they 
can always kiss and cuddle. 

"You can still have a great deal of fun," she said recently 
in a rare speech before a United States audience, a group 
of sex-toy saleswomen at a conference in Las Vegas. 

Ms. Johanson, who won't reveal her age but looks like a 
70-something grandmother who knits and makes sourdough 
biscuits (she does both), is having a lot of fun herself 
just talking about sex. 

A registered nurse from Toronto, Ms. Johanson became known 
as a sex educator on Canadian radio and television before 
the Oxygen Network began an American version of her live 
call-in show in 2002. Now in its second season, "Talk Sex 
With Sue Johanson," at 11 p.m. on Sundays, has become one 
of the most popular shows for Oxygen, a cable channel whose 
target audience is women 25 to 45. (During the rest of the 
week Oxygen broadcasts reruns of "Talk Sex" or of her 
Canadian show, "The Sunday Night Sex Show.") 

One indication of Ms. Johanson's rising profile in the pop 
culture landscape: just last month "Saturday Night Live" 
lampooned her in a skit in which a Sharon Osbourne 
impersonator crowed over "this sexy old lady." She has also 
made the late-night talk show rounds, appearing with David 
Letterman and Conan O'Brien. Late-night channel surfers may 
find her in the middle of untangling the contents of a 
"fantasy restraint kit" as she rates new sex products. Or 
looking deep into the camera through wire-rimmed glasses as 
she tells the dissatisfied Linda from Gloucester, Mass.: 
"Hey, I got to be honest with you. Most guys won't last 15 
minutes. Sorry!" 

Ms. Johanson, better known as Sue, may remind viewers of 
another sex adviser of a certain age, Ruth Westheimer, who 
proselytized for healthy sex on her own television and 
radio shows in the 1980's and early 90's. But Ms. Johanson 
functions in a changed cultural landscape, where the 
Internet and television have made sex talk ever more bold. 
Yet even in these sex-saturated times her brand of sex 
education is still the exception, some sex experts noted, 
perhaps because of more conservative government policies in 
the United States and an entrenched reluctance among 
Americans to talk about sex as a normal activity. 

"There's a bit of a cultural schizophrenia around sex and 
sexuality," said Tamara Kreinin, president and chief 
executive of the Sexuality Information and Education 
Council of the United States, a nonprofit organization 
based in New York. "American culture, which has become more 
open, still has a hesitancy around sex that other cultures 
don't have." 

Ms. Johanson said she could not ride the subway or stand in 
a grocery line in Canada without being approached to answer 
the kind of question that would make even the frozen 
chicken blush. But in the United States, a much bigger 
market, her growing fan base seems almost bashful but 
mostly grateful. "I find that Americans are so polite and 
so respectful that being recognized is wonderful," she 
said. "People will look at me and say, `Hi, I love your 
show.' And that's where it ends." 

Shame, fear, guilt and ignorance all get in the way of good 
sex, Ms. Johanson said, adding that based on the calls she 
receives, many Americans lack basic knowledge. Some young 
women, for example, still ask whether they can become 
pregnant through oral sex, and they have more than a few 
misconceptions. 

A common one, she said, is "that women always have to have 
an orgasm every time they have sex." 

A sampling of recent shows indicates that viewers in both 
countries ask her about rashes and discharges, about sexual 
dysfunctions and positions, about performance anxieties and 
relationships. Anal sex and G-spot orgasms are the topics 
of the day. 

On a recent show a woman asked: "I'm having these dreams 
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ugnet_: The SHIT MEMORANDUM

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We are trying to give our Employees more S.H.I.T.than other offices.If
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Those who fail to take D.E.E.P.S.H.I.T.,seriously will have to attend the supplement program,EMPLOYEE ATTITUDE TRAINING(E.A.T.S.H.I.T.)

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GR, meI find this article troubling.
I think it is stupid. What do you think?Mitayo Potosi 

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THURSDAY, DECEMBER 7, 2000. 11:00 A.M.
CARL MURPHY FINE ARTS AUDITORIUM
TOPIC: TRUTH, HONESTY AND FRANKNESS
Good morning.
President Earl Richardson, Distinguished ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters. I feel especially honored to be here today, in this great institution. I must thank Dean Hollis, for inviting me to come here today. In fact, the last time I was in Baltimore was at the Mid-Atlantic Writers Association conference, and I had been invited by Prof. Grace Coffey to speak about my book. My African sister, Yahne Sangarey, a member of the African Sun Times staff as well as Curator, the African Museum in Baltimore here, had arranged for me to participate in the "Global African Writers: The Ties that Bind" of the United Nations African Project. The book was well received, and when Dean Hollis offered to bring me here to speak with you, I wasn't sure that his colleagues would I have the courage to agree with his selection of an author of such a controversial book and viewpoint. The fact that I am here today is a testimony to the courage 
 and progressive thinking of the members of this institution. I thank you all and especially Dean Hollis for his bold initiative.
A lot of times when most of us present our polished resume, we forget to mention the humble environment where we come from. Of course, I am no exception. But I would be remiss if I didn't tell you a Little bit about myself other than what is in my resume I come from Ohafia, a warrior group of the Igbo national group in Nigeria. It is in a very remote area of the country. When I was growing up, we attended School in make shift mud and hut houses. Then, as it is still now today, we didn't have running water, and now the electricity we have today hardly works one day in a month. For most of us, books were a luxury, but when we got hold of one, we made sure that we knew what was in it to pass our exams and move to the next class. In fact, I am exceptionally lucky because I was one of those who hardly had books, even exercise books, what you call notebooks here, not due to my parents not providing the money for them, but due to my u
 ncle's partiality to my cousin who started school with me.
Needless to say my cousin was three classes behind me when we finished, and even then I had set a goal of becoming somebody. I gave you that very short resume just to say that no matter wherever you come from or from whatever circumstances, you can achieve whatever goal you set your mind on. And looking at you all, I know you are all very special and goal oriented, otherwise you would not be sitting where you are now. Thousands of others have abandoned their goals even before they started. I applaud you all. My topic today is the Black Race - it is not about Africans from the continent, or Africans in the Diaspora, or African West Indians, but about the Black Race. My discussion is about truth, it is about honesty and frankness. It is about no more lies, no more hiding the truth, and no more blaming others for what is happening to the Black Race. It is about accepting responsibility for our actions; it is about playing the same
  games that others are playing and becoming very successful.
It is about being intelligent on how we make decisions where to spend our hard earned money. It is about no more playing the blame game, and the victim-mentality game. In this 21st century, we have to accept the truth of our situation, and nothing but the truth, so help us God. There is nobody more qualified to debate the state of the Black Race versus others, other than you and I. We cannot, as usual, in our lackadaisical manner abandon this debate to others with better access to the media. In Africa, we have a saying that when a child grows up, and he is able to wash his hands, he should sit at the same table and eat with his elders. The Black Race has grown up, we have washed our hands, but the question is why are we not sitting at the same table to eat with our elders, in this case, why are we not sitting at the same table with other races to eat from the same table, why are we still eating from the floor? Again, we have

ugnet_: History Lesions

History Lesions

By Renato Redentor Constantino, tomdispatch.com
February 19, 2004
And so here we are, at the crossroads of another day, speechless and 
troubled by what is before us, so anxious to engage in a conversation with 
what ought to be, and yet so unaware of or indifferent to a past waiting to 
explain itself, to be heard, to be remembered.

You have to understand the Arab mind, said Capt. Todd Brown, a U.S. 
company commander with the 4th Infantry Division in Iraq, who had led his 
troops in encasing Abu Hishma in a razor-wire fence to contain the 
resistance suspected to be coming from the village. The only thing they 
understand is force.

Over a century ago, during a period of history that few Americans today can 
recall, another U.S. general uttered similar words. It would take at least 
ten years of bayonet treatment to make Filipinos accept American rule, 
said Gen. Arthur MacArthur, even as, to deprive the enemy of popular 
support, U.S. troops herded whole Filipino villages into concentration camps 
 precursors of the strategic hamlets used by the United States during the 
Vietnam War and the razor-wire fences now employed by the troops commanded 
by Capt. Brown to enclose defiant Iraqi villages.

History. How much better off we would all be today if only we remembered 
more  beginning with the origins of the relationship between the 
Philippines and the United States, a chapter which in our history is called 
the Philippine-American War; a chapter that began on February 4, 1899 and 
lasted an endless decade, which largely defined not only the pathways 
Filipinos were forced to take over the next century but the imperial 
directions that have framed recent U.S. history as well.

By returning to this vast and incredibly brutal conflict, Americans (and 
Filipinos) today may yet find what they have lost: the key to understanding 
the depravities of the present and, perhaps, their collective deliverance.

The Triggers for War

For an empire perennially weighed down by the necessity of justifying 
aggression, triggers for war are providentially everywhere, to be pulled 
expediently whether real or not. In the spring of 2003, it was weapons of 
mass destruction in Never-Never Land or al-Qaeda connections. In 1964 in 
Vietnam, it was an attack by North Vietnamese gunboats. In 1899, it was 
savages attacking our boys. Anything will do.

When Lyndon Johnson's administration launched its long-planned full-scale 
bombing campaign in Vietnam, it did so using the authority granted by 
Congress under the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, named after the site where North 
Vietnamese torpedo boats allegedly attacked U.S. destroyers on August 2 and 
4, 1964. With domestic concern growing over an escalating U.S. military 
intervention, the Tonkin Gulf incidents gave the Johnson government the 
leverage it needed to pressure Congress to authorize an open assault on 
Vietnam. Reports of the alleged attacks caused such a rumpus that, by August 
7, 1964, within three days of the second incident, Congress had passed the 
Tonkin Gulf Resolution by a vote of 416 to 0 in the House of Representatives 
and with just two dissenting votes in the Senate.

Only later was it revealed that a draft version of the resolution had been 
prepared prior to the alleged attacks; that the provocation on August 2 
actually came from the U.S. side  an American destroyer deliberately 
entered North Vietnam's territorial waters escorting South Vietnamese boats 
 and that the August 4 attack did not take place at all. By the time the 
Johnson administration's manipulation of the incidents was exposed, however, 
the US was already deeply committed to a full-scale American-led war in 
Vietnam.

As we cycle backwards in history, we find a similar and no less bloody tale 
of cold-blooded imperial calculation and script-writing.

To Kill a Republic

The last decade of 1890 was an invigorating time for Filipino 
revolutionaries. After four centuries of largely inchoate revolts, Filipinos 
had united in 1892 under the banner of an organization whose goal was to 
overthrow Spanish colonial rule and create a democratic Filipino republic. 
By 1896, born out of well-articulated aspirations for national economic and 
political independence, open revolutionary war had commenced. By the first 
few days of 1899, the revolutionary movement had not only defeated Spain, 
but assembled a government ready to administer to the needs of a victorious 
if war-weary populace.

Such a dream of an emergent republic was not to be, however, for an 
expansive America had different ideas about how the islands should be ruled. 
Behind the backs of the Filipinos, the government of President William 
McKinley ended its brief war with Spain by signing the Treaty of Paris on 
December 10, 1898. Under it, the Philippines was conveniently ceded to the 
United States. The constitution, however, prevented the implementation of a 
treaty annexing Asia's first republic without

RE: ugnet_: UPC backs Kabaka for political power

2004-02-20 Thread emmanuel musaazi

When you hear things like that, it makes you wonder about the calibre of 
politians in Uganda (particularly in the UPC). How low are they willing to 
stoop in order to obtain political power..talk about a dog returning to its 
vomit..i've been pointing out to people on this forum that the UPC has 
nothing to offer Uganda. Look at how they are shamelessly ready to swallow 
there words..basically do a round about turn, just to get power and you tell 
me Uganda will be better off with such fools..it only remains to be seen if 
the Kabaka and Baganda are even stupidier by going along with them. After 
all only fools can rule fools. NONSENSE.


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That would be the easiest way to kill him too

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UPC backs Kabaka for political power
By Evelyn Lirri
Feb 20, 2004 - Monitor


KAMPALA - The Uganda Peoples Congress has supported Kabaka Mutebi's
demand for real authority. The UPC Presidential Policy Commission
Chairman, Dr James Rwanyarare, told reporters on Wednesday that the
Kabaka's cry exposed the flaws in the decentralisation system introduced
by the Movement government.
When early this week, the Kabaka of Buganda decried his being king
without power in his kingdom, it justified UPC's rejection of
decentralisation where small non-viable units were created, only
dependent on funding from the central government, Rwanyarare said.
He said UPC has always advocated large, viable federal states such as
Buganda with powers delegated to them by law.
If Buganda is made a federal state, it will have powers to raise funds
and carry out its activities without having to beg money from the
central government, Rwanyarare said.
Early this week, Mutebi said that lack of full authority had frustrated
his efforts to help his subjects. He said he wanted a federal system of
government, which would give him those powers.
Before kingdoms were abolished by then President Milton Obote in 1966,
the kings had political power.
However, the current Constitution requires traditional leaders to remain
only cultural heads without political power, which Buganda has strongly
opposed.
Rwanyarare said that the Kabaka's demand for political power as a
traditional ruler is in line with the UPC position of 1962 when there
was a federal system of government with kings having authority.
He said that the much-criticised 1967 constitution under Obote did not
remove the federal status for Buganda.
Obote is the president of UPC.
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ugnet_: Are You Optimistic?

Are You Optimistic?

By Don Hazen, AlterNet
February 19, 2004
Are you optimistic?

Someone asks me that question virtually every day. Or sometimes, How do you 
think things are going?  as my expat friend David put it hopefully, 
shortly after getting off a plane from Bali. Even without any context, I 
know immediately what the questioner is referring to.

I can't remember the last time conversational shorthand carried such a clear 
and instant meaning. When I answer, Yes, I am optimistic, it's another 
small vote for the belief that something a lot of people care very much 
about  regime change in 2004  may be possible.

People don't ask me these questions because I have insider information or 
because I'm a sage. But due to my work in independent media and progressive 
politics, I pay more attention to and have more information about the 
subject than most of the questioners. If I am optimistic, they figure, it 
probably means that others like me are also feeling that way. And so, 
feeling more hopeful and upbeat, they carry the answer away and share it 
with friends, family, colleagues and acquaintances. The spreading of 
optimism is contagious.

This exercise can collectively be called team confidence building. The 
team is made up of untold millions who want George W. Bush out of the White 
House so badly they can taste it. They are disgusted and appalled. Then 
there are people like my friend David, who has grown weary of trying to 
explain to incredulous people abroad, who have such affection for the United 
States, that George Bush doesn't really represent most Americans.

Out of Whack

Right now, many Americans feel that something is fundamentally out of whack 
in the country. There is a disturbance in the field, that is gnawing at 
the collective psyche and making people a little crazy with frustration. 
They have an overwhelming desire to do something concrete to address their 
anxiety and anger  what, they're not sure. Politics is often the art of 
changing other people's minds, which is not, for the most part, what people 
like to do in America. We tend to talk to people who think the way we do.

Mind you, the people asking me questions are not naïve about politics. But 
most always thought, to some extent, that there were checks and balances 
operating in the system: a feisty media to keep people honest, like during 
Watergate; a Supreme Court that acted with some collective wisdom, like when 
it defended women's right to chose; a world event like the falling of the 
Berlin Wall, that would undermine the excesses of the Cold War.

It used to be that the American public seemed to prefer divided government; 
if one party controlled the White House, the other major party controlled at 
least one of the houses of Congress. But as Robert Kuttner underscores in 
his article, Stranglehold: The Right-wing Push for a One Party State in 
the February American Prospect, not only are Democrats in the minority 
everywhere, but under House Majority Leader Tom Delay's parliamentary 
dictatorship we are on the verge of a near-permanent, partisan lock on 
government that would guarantee the completion of the Bush radical-right 
project: the dismantling of social investment, regulation, progressive 
taxation, separation of church and state, racial justice and trade 
unionism.

There are no realistic checks and balances left; except for electing a 
Democrat president.

In the face of this grim reality, simply registering a feeling of hope with 
our peers and being validated is a very concrete step, even if it is 
preliminary. Keep in mind that just a few months ago the conventional wisdom 
was that Bush  primarily because of 9/11 and the level of support initially 
drummed up for the war on Iraq  was virtually unbeatable. Now polls show 
him not only beatable, but in some cases with John Kerry winning by as many 
as 8 points. And a majority of those polled express a negative opinion about 
Bush's conduct of the Iraq war.

Should We Hope?

Why are so many people feeling more optimistic? Are they being realistic? 
There are a number of reasons for the growing surge of hope: The war in Iraq 
is going poorly; the President's National Guard record is being scrutinized 
and ridiculed; the media is sinking its teeth into more substantive issues; 
and first one, and now perhaps two, Democratic candidates have emerged with 
the broad sense of electability.

As the New York Times succinctly puts it: Republicans had expected Mr. Bush 
to enter the general election campaign benefiting from his leadership in the 
war on terrorism. But the continued deaths of American troops in Iraq, the 
apparent absence of stockpiles of banned weapons there and the questions 
about Mr. Bush's service in the Guard in the Vietnam era have all eaten into 
his support, left the White House scrambling and emboldened Democrats.

Furthermore, the President's performance in the State of the Union address 
got universally poor reviews for its

ugnet_: UPC backs Kabaka for political power

So you mean you are now calling the Kabaka of Buganda and his followers fools!.. I think the Ssebasaga is smart enough to realize that Museveni's NRM gave him "Biyoyo be Nsuwa", while Museveni uses the Kabaka shoulder to climb to promote himself.

The fact of the matter is that the Kabaka and many of his subject in Buganda are suffering as a result of biting poverty in Uganda Ushered in by the "visionary leadership" of the NRM.

The Kabaka himself put it quiet eloquently and succulently when he question the kind of Kingship NRM offered him. The King of Buganda has no authority to levy taxes on his subjects...this is but a fact and therefore cannot collect sufficient revenue to finance development projects in Buganda and for the Buganda.

In fact, the Kabaka has to beg for handouts from Yoweri Museveni's NRM Regime for his daily expenses. Meanwhile many of his subjects in Buganda are suffering biting poverty, lack of jobs e.t.c People are living in desperate situation in Buganda while people from certain favored areas "wash their face with Milk" ( if you know what I mean)

Some commoner on this forum argued that the Kabaka should conduct "fund Raising " or Harrambee to in order to obtain funds to finance projects in Buganda. This is a terrible insult and a demeaning comment one can make about the KING.

Ultimately, as the say, all politics boils down to the "Checkbook". This is true here in the states, in UK, and In Buganda.

Matek
Allo Odok Inguny Koka!

In a message dated 2/20/2004 4:00:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

When you hear things like that, it makes you wonder about the calibre of
politians in Uganda (particularly in the UPC). How low are they willing to
stoop in order to obtain political power..talk about a dog returning to its
vomit..i've been pointing out to people on this forum that the UPC has
nothing to offer Uganda. Look at how they are shamelessly ready to swallow
there words..basically do a round about turn, just to get power and you tell
me Uganda will be better off with such fools..it only remains to be seen if
the Kabaka and Baganda are even stupidier by going along with them. After
all only fools can rule fools. NONSENSE

- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister

Re: ugnet_: RE: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism

2004-02-20 Thread emmanuel musaazi

Matek stop your foolishness and lies...has any harm come to Mr. Rwanyarare, 
Mr. Okumu and all those other UPC stalwarts who regular insult and tell lies 
on the President, if there was no political space in Uganda would they be 
allowed to openly oppose the President under a differing political umbrella, 
if it was during the UPC days Okumu and Rwanyarare would be dead or in 
prisonas usual you are talking out of ignorance because you have not 
been in Uganda for ages...you are locked into your UPC mentality of killing 
or eradicating your enemies as you did when you were in power (probably that 
was when last your were in Uganda). Therefore you think that, that is what 
is going on in Uganda today. In the Uganda of today poeple can openly 
profess their political affiliations without fear. Unlike in your time (when 
UPC was in power), there is rule of law in Uganda and when people go against 
the law they are arrested and charged (unlike in your time when they were 
summarily executed or imprisoned without trial). I guess the term rule of 
law is strange to you. Right now in Uganda there is freedom of political 
expression. Right now Uganda is under the movement system of government and 
the constitution clearly stipulates the acceptable political space under 
such a system. If and when the multiparty system is adopted as stipulated in 
the constitution, then the requsite or correponding political space will be 
triggered. All that is going on Uganda is constitutional, but then again you 
are not used to operating under constitutions, are you?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:26:16 EST
In a message dated 2/19/2004 8:07:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I am not in the killing/imprisonment business, which is what the UPC 
excel
 at.

 since killing and imprisonment is  not an option for you? I ask you
again..what do you intend to do with members of the UPC  who as you say, 
are your
mortal enemies  (and they are many,...you do not believe ... tell 
Museveni to
open up  the political space...)

Your buddy Ed Kirondi nonesense argument  in which he seems to imply that
members of the UPC are  very few..does not hold.
Why, because any  fool knows that any member(s)  of the UPC will not risk 
his
or her live to come out openly in support of the UPC, if, as is the case
right now in Museveni's Uganda, there is  an article  embedded in the
constitution of Uganda  which pretty much restricts  political  freedom in 
Uganda...

Remove the  ban and we shall see!!!

Matek


  Call me any names as your intellect conjures up, to your heart's 
content:
 but it won't change an iota in those very well documented fact as I 
stated
 them.

  To me, my paramount duty is clear: and that is, at all cost,  do 
everything
 humanly -- and legally -- possible to ensure that UPC is never again in
 position to do us harm, no matter how the UPC package themselves.

 This includes constantly reminding my fellows just how much pain and
 horrible suffering the UPC inflicted upon us on two separate occassions, 
so that
 they may never be under any illusions as to what the true nature of the 
UPC is,
 why UPC exists, and what the UPC will surely do every single time they 
are
 given a chance as surely as a hyaena cannot change his spots!



 Ssemakula



The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the
people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the 
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repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by
extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state.

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ugnet_: Kenyans living abroad want special seat in Parliament.A True Case of Demon Crazia

News Saturday, February 21, 2004 



Kenyans living abroad want special seat in ParliamentBy CYRUS KINYUNGU 
Kenyans living abroad want the new constitution to create a special seat to represent their interests in Parliament. 
They want the Bomas of Kenya talks on constitutional review to consider their representation in the spirit of affirmative action. 
Through Mr Gichane Muraguri of the Kenyans Living Abroad, they told the representation committee yesterday that the draft had contradicted itself by allowing them to vote. 
"The draft gave us the right with one hand and took it away with the other," he said. 
Mr Muraguri lives in Canada. 
A clause in the draft, Mr Muraguri argued, said Kenyans living abroad had a right to vote while, another said one could not be registered as a voter in a constituency if he had not stayed there for a certain period. 
He urged the committee to harmonise the articles. 
The committee chairperson, Ms Caroline Nganga, admitted the paradox and promised that it would be looked into. 
Mr Muraguri said there were more than 500,000 Kenyans abroad who needed representation and who should vote via the Internet. 
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ugnet_: UPC on Federalism

In a message dated 2/20/2004 4:43:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Matek stop your foolishness and lies...has any harm come to Mr. Rwanyarare,
Mr. Okumu and all those other UPC stalwarts who regular insult and tell lies
on the President, if there was no political space in Uganda would they be
allowed to openly oppose the President under a differing political umbrella,
if it was during the UPC days Okumu and Rwanyarare would be dead or in
prisonas usual you are talking out of ignorance because you have not
been in Uganda for ages..
===
EMuusaazi:

It is you who is displaying you your foolishness.

Let me remind you my friend as to what happen in Hitler's Germany. You see in Germany while Hitler was operating Nazi Concentration camps at Ashuwarts (sp) Tiblica were many Jews were exterminated in gas chambers, the Nazi's developed an igneous game plan.

Any foreign dignitary who would visit the camps, Hiller's SS made sure, would meet Jews who looked fattened, healthy, and in clean cloth.

A few selected Jews would put up a performance to the foreign dignitary which was meant to leave an impression that the Jews were actually enjoying life in the concentration camps.

The British/American visitor would leave satisfied that all is well in the Nazi Concentration camps. We now know that after the allies liberated Germany, Poland e.t.c the true suffering of the Jews has came to light.

The moral here is that Military dictatorship such as that of Yoweeri Museveni have perfected the act of deception and taken it to the highest level.

That said, merely allowing Dr. Rwanyarare and Mr. Okumu to quote" insult and tell lies on your President" does not and cannot be misconstrued to imply that there is political freedom in Uganda.

The reality is that the fundamental Human Rights of our fellow citizens to freely
associate with a view to impart or receive ideas under the setting of a political party has been legally restricted for now 18 years under NRM Military dictatorship.

Under this circumstance, the NRM has continuously proclaimed to the world
and to Ugandans that the UPC and other political parties are NOT popular.

Matek

or eradicating your enemies as you did when you were in power (probably that
was when last your were in Uganda). Therefore you think that, that is what
is going on in Uganda today. In the Uganda of today poeple can openly
profess their political affiliations without fear. Unlike in your time (when
UPC was in power), there is rule of law in Uganda and when people go against
the law they are arrested and charged (unlike in your time when they were
summarily executed or imprisoned without trial). I guess the term "rule of
law" is strange to you. Right now in Uganda there is freedom of political
_expression_. Right now Uganda is under the movement system of government and
the constitution clearly stipulates the acceptable political space under
such a system. If and when the multiparty system is adopted as stipulated in
the constitution, then the requsite or correponding political space will be
triggered. All that is going on Uganda is constitutional, but then again you
are not used to operating under constitutions, are you?

- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister

Re: ugnet_: RE: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism

In a message dated 2/20/2004 4:43:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Right now in Uganda there is freedom of political 
_expression_. Right now Uganda is under the movement system of government and 
the constitution clearly stipulates the acceptable political space under 
such a system. If and when the multiparty system is adopted as stipulated in 
the constitution, then the requsite or correponding political space will be 
triggered. All that is going on Uganda is constitutional, but then again you 
are not used to operating under constitutions, are you?


Question: If Uganda is under the movement systems ( by law) ... in essences, implying that everybody belongs to the Movement system, how then can you argue with a sober mind , as some of your friends in the NRM have argued, that the NRM is more popular then the UPC, DP or CP? 

Got IT!!

Matek 




"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state." 

- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister

ugnet_: Re: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism


Ms. Margret (Margaret?):
Unless you started reading this forum yesterday, you'd know that I am a vocal critic of Museveni/Movement, especially with regard to the prosecution of the war in the North -- even thogh it si now quite clear that the most of the atrocoties in that war are committed by Kony and his followers.
That aside, also single out Obote and the UPC as a danger to peace in Uganda. I gave particular incidents that clearly show just how bloodthirsty that abominable beast, Obote, really is. If you can refute any of what I stated I am all ears.
The UPC should never again be allowed to conUgandans into giving them power ever. We must never forget what the UPC did to Uganda on two separate occassions -- proof of what they are. 
The litanny of theirtheir crimesis endless, butwell-documented. Itincludes detaining their own members without trial, ceaseless state of emergence in Buganda,attacking the Kingdom of Buganda and eventually summarily abolishing all kingdoms in Uganda,brutal killings at Nakulabye,horrific massacre for students of St. Mary's Kisubi, abolition of Uganda's federal form governance in favor of a unitary one, massacres in the so-called Luweero-Trangle (there are video records of the aftermath of their rampage, Red-Cross reports -- some in my possession, but widely distributed), panda gari,  etc. etc. speaks for itself, clearly and loudly: they are a deadly snake! 
Some of their brutality was recorded in the world press in the period around 1980-1985. Their motives, and methods have been chronicled by former insiders, especally Grace Ibingira in his book African Upheavals Since Independence, which I have excerpted on Ugandanet and are willing to provide you those excerpts. There are also numerous other sources, like Transition magazine, Uganda Argus newspaper (my colleagues and I have access to it), to mention but a few. It was Obote who once threatened to turn the entire West Nile District into a National Park -- presumably after wiping out its human population!
Is this a party that a sane person would willingly return to power?
(Ibingira was Seretary General of the UPC, its Attorney General, and a senior Minister; whom Obote imprisoned without trial -- until Idi Amin, another Obote protege sprung him from detention.)
The UPC are up to no good, andtheir blood-drenched history abundantly proves it. 
If the UPC ever hood-wink us into allowing a UPC III, not even trees would be left standing in Uganda andriver Nile would turn red with our blood!
Ssemakula

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From: "Ocaya Margret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:13:09 +0100 

Ssemakula, Oryema etal, 
Sometimes I wrote about Uganda civil society being quite tribalistic, this includes even Ugandan political ideology that is based on the similar throes. This is the very reason OBOTE is hated and he has become a political punch -bag by the Bantu - Hamites intelectuals as well as the illiterates! 
I think and I know that the likes of these fellows are not having big hatreds on the likes of the late Paul Muwangas, Samwiri Mugwisas, Suleiman Kigundus the way they hate OBOTE. This is why I belief the likes of Mw. Ssemakulas would kill OBOTE and the UPC. Why are the likes of Ssemakulas not condemning the M7s, Kintu Musokes, Bidandi Ssalis those were once UPC supporters the way they hate OBOTE? 
Some of us from the north, would have rather hated both the DPs, M7s, Bukenyas, Kajibwes, Besigyes etc, etc becuase they were the architectsof the 19 years continuous genocide in Acoliland and the wholenorthern and eastern Uganda. 
However, we do see the DPs as an institution that could be led by any Ugandan human beings who qualifies to be its leader, but not tribal novices like the Mw. Ssemakulas etc, etc. I think, we all agree and know that OBOTE is a human being, but he can't at the same time be a UPC, itself that is a known political institution as well. 
I think a political institution is led by human beings and as such it has human dynamicism to lead from phase to other phase and as such I feel UPC will cross that bridge where the likes of Ssemakulas will never hate this party. 

Bye 

Ocaya p'Ocure 

 - Original Message - 
 From: Oryema Johnson 
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:24 PM 
 Subject: RE: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism 



 Semakula, you write: 

 Unfortunately, while DP undergoes its re-birth, the UPC are lurching onto the very ideas we have long advocated, especially federalism based on economically viable units/states -- ideas that the UPC have in the past worked tirelessly to destroy, hinder and/or otherwise obsfucate. 



 May I ask, why is it a problem if one of the oldest political parties in Uganda (UPC) is now embracing federalism as a way to go? Why is it a problem if parties have recognized their mistakes and wish to do things differently from the past?

Re: ugnet_: Re: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism

Mwaami Ssemakula,often times a wiseman benefits most from
his enemies that a fool from his friends.
I really do not know where I can exactly place your line of argument
especially so when it is apparent emotions and bile/gall are the force 
virtigo behind your outbursts.
Do not think this type of vitriol will somehow help you as an ardent 
supporter of Federalism achieve that goal when inwardly you portend
pernicious hatred of an Organization that has many followers and worst
of all that was started by one of your own kith and kin.
Milton Obote should never be the bogey for your hatred of UPC for
like DP and other political Organizations they have membership that 
encompass all Ugandans.
I do believe we need to put out our emotions in trying to find political solutions to Uganda's problems.
Your purview to these problems unfortunately is a permanent solution to short term problems.
Your support or lack thereof for the atrocities Mu7 and his henchmen 
have committed against the silent majority of Ugandas(minus Baganda/
Banyakore/Kiga etc) is at variance with your outbursts so please stop 
justifying whatever your position is for in the realm of what you say,nobody except you benefits from it.
Thank you.
Kipenji.
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Mr. Kipenji:1. I challenge you to name that 'kith and kin' of mine that started UPC and how he is related to me.
2. I cannot support anyone in committing atrocities against anyone else. Surely, even such a jaundiced individual like yourself have seen my repeated public outcry on Ugandanet and elsewhere against the suffering ofmy former tormentors.
3. There is nothing emotional about my 'out-burst', as you put it. Rather, it is a very deep conviction, borne of very bitter experiences at the hands of the UPC.
Those of us who have bore the brunt of UPC's excesses have absolutely no desire to repeat the experience: twice was enough. It'd be foolhardy of us to support the same UPC that has so brutalized us not once, but twice.
4. The fact that none of the UPC membership spoke out for us when we were being mowed down by your amred thugs, means that you all supported the policies of your party wholeheartedly. 
Ifa snake bites you, everytime you see even an egg of that snake you remember the close call you had. A fool is one who doesn't learn from experience.
Ssemakula
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:11:59 + (GMT) 


Mwaami Ssemakula,often times a wiseman benefits most from 
his enemies that a fool from his friends. 
I really do not know where I can exactly place your line of argument 

especially so when it is apparent emotions and bile/gall are the force virtigo behind your outbursts. 
Do not think this type of vitriol will somehow help you as an ardent 
supporter of Federalism achieve that goal when inwardly you portend 
pernicious hatred of an Organization that has many followers and worst 
of all that was started by one of your own kith and kin. 
Milton Obote should never be the bogey for your hatred of UPC for 
like DP and other political Organizations they have membership that 
encompass all Ugandans. 

I do believe we need to put out our emotions in trying to find political solutions to Uganda's problems.Your purview to these problems unfortunately is a permanent solution to short term problems. 
Your support or lack thereof for the atrocities Mu7 and his henchmen 
have committed against the silent majority of Ugandas(minus Baganda/ 
Banyakore/Kiga etc) is at variance with your outbursts so please stop 
justifying whatever your position is for in the realm of what you say,nobody except you benefits from it. 
Thank you. 
Kipenji. 
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Re: ugnet_: Senga

2004-02-20 Thread Rehema Mukooza

Members:

The master of T-I-T-I-L-L-A-T-I-O-N in disguise as supplying "senga" information! 
Another way of E-D-U-T-A-I-N-I-N-G folks around here as many times as possible!
Hhm, this is bizzare behavior on display! 

Zakoomu R.J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Instead of Dr. Ruth, a Nurse Called Sue 


February 19, 2004 

By MIREYA NAVARRO







With typical bluntness Sue Johanson tells older men and 

women to get over body image: the "turkey neck," the "wear 

and tear," the hormonal deficiencies. But in her cheerful, 

no-nonsense style she adds that there are creams, patches 

and pills to help them, and if all else fails, that they 

can always kiss and cuddle. 


"You can still have a great deal of fun," she said recently 

in a rare speech before a United States audience, a group 

of sex-toy saleswomen at a conference in Las Vegas. 


Ms. Johanson, who won't reveal her age but looks like a 

70-something grandmother who knits and makes sourdough 

biscuits (she does both), is having a lot of fun herself 

just talking about sex. 


A registered nurse from Toronto, Ms. Johanson became known 

as a sex educator on Canadian radio and television before 

the Oxygen Network began an American version of her live 

call-in show in 2002. Now in its second season, "Talk Sex 

With Sue Johanson," at 11 p.m. on Sundays, has become one 

of the most popular shows for Oxygen, a cable channel whose 

target audience is women 25 to 45. (During the rest of the 

week Oxygen broadcasts reruns of "Talk Sex" or of her 

Canadian show, "The Sunday Night Sex Show.") 


One indication of Ms. Johanson's rising profile in the pop 

culture landscape: just last month "Saturday Night Live" 

lampooned her in a skit in which a Sharon Osbourne 

impersonator crowed over "this sexy old lady." She has also 

made the late-night talk show rounds, appearing with David 

Letterman and Conan O'Brien. Late-night channel surfers may 

find her in the middle of untangling the contents of a 

"fantasy restraint kit" as she rates new sex products. Or 

looking deep into the camera through wire-rimmed glasses as 

she tells the dissatisfied Linda from Gloucester, Mass.: 

"Hey, I got to be honest with you. Most guys won't last 15 

minutes. Sorry!" 


Ms. Johanson, better known as Sue, may remind viewers of 

another sex adviser of a certain age, Ruth Westheimer, who 

proselytized for healthy sex on her own television and 

radio shows in the 1980's and early 90's. But Ms. Johanson 

functions in a changed cultural landscape, where the 

Internet and television have made sex talk ever more bold. 

Yet even in these sex-saturated times her brand of sex 

education is still the exception, some sex experts noted, 

perhaps because of more conservative government policies in 

the United States and an entrenched reluctance among 

Americans to talk about sex as a normal activity. 


"There's a bit of a cultural schizophrenia around sex and 

sexuality," said Tamara Kreinin, president and chief 

executive of the Sexuality Information and Education 

Council of the United States, a nonprofit organization 

based in New York. "American culture, which has become more 

open, still has a hesitancy around sex that other cultures 

don't have." 


Ms. Johanson said she could not ride the subway or stand in 

a grocery line in Canada without being approached to answer 

the kind of question that would make even the frozen 

chicken blush. But in the United States, a much bigger 

market, her growing fan base seems almost bashful but 

mostly grateful. "I find that Americans are so polite and 

so respectful that being recognized is wonderful," she 

said. "People will look at me and say, `Hi, I love your 

show.' And that's where it ends." 


Shame, fear, guilt and ignorance all get in the way of good 

sex, Ms. Johanson said, adding that based on the calls she 

receives, many Americans lack basic knowledge. Some young 

women, for example, still ask whether they can become 

pregnant through oral sex, and they have more than a few 

misconceptions. 


A common one, she said, is "that women always have to have 

an orgasm every time they have sex." 


A sampling of recent shows indicates that viewers in both 

countries ask her about rashes and discharges, about sexual 

dysfunctions and positions, about performance anxieties and 

relationships. Anal sex and G-spot orgasms are the topics 

of the day. 


On a recent show a woman asked: "I'm having these dreams 

that I'm having sex with women or I'm watching women have 

sex. Why is that?" 


A man asked: "If condoms are left in a car and they freeze, 

are they still good?" 


On television Ms. Johanson's creased face may register 

concern, empathy, surprise, even horror, but never 

judgment. Despite her grandmotherly image, she can be 

graphic enough to make readers of a family newspaper 

squeamish. Her repertory of reactions includes funny 

dramatizations of ecstasy or disgust, as

ugnet_: Re: Women Tailor Sex Industry to Their Eyes

2004-02-20 Thread Rehema Mukooza

More titillation on display! Hhmm, Ssemakula is indeed going mad!james ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Women Tailor Sex Industry to Their EyesFebruary 20, 2004By MIREYA NAVARRO Carlin Ross and Christina Head, a lawyer and a documentaryfilmmaker in New York, recently teamed up to plot newcareers. Among their first moves: Ms. Ross, 30, a general counsel todot-coms, this month restarted an adult Web site thatfeatures "sex and love from a woman's perspective." Ms. Head, 26, who has primarily covered subjects likeinner-city youth, hopes to produce and direct pornographicfilms and television programming. "It's all about empowering and educating women and, ofcourse, I enjoy sex," Ms. Head said. "We're women. We enjoysex." Ms. Head and Ms. Ross are part of a growing cadre of womenwho are selling sex to other women, in this case what Ms.Ross calls "female empowered" adult entertainment - thekind with plots, foreplay and cuddling in the afterglow,the kind that is mindful of women
's
tastes and suggests newpossibilities for women's pleasure. Experts say demand by women - both heterosexual and lesbian- is driving the growth of all sorts of sex-relatedventures, from stores, catalogs and sex toy companies toadult Web sites, pornographic films and cable televisionshows. At the same time, many women, they say, see the sexindustry as a legitimate place to make a living. "Women have a voice now - `This is what I want and this ishow I want it,' " said Ms. Ross. Samantha Lewis, president of Digital Playground, a DVDcompany in California that produces pornographic films forwomen and couples, estimated that women account for 40percent of retail sales of Digital's movies, double what itwas just two years ago. At trade shows, she said, half thefans are women, compared to maybe 10 percent five yearsago. "Women are fueling the growth," Ms. Lewis, 42, said. While women have long been inv
olved in
the sex industry asproviders and consumers, their participation now has becomemore of an economic phenomenon, largely because of theInternet. In fact, experts say, the Internet has been amajor factor in unleashing women's interest in all thingssexual. Surveys by Nielsen/NetRatings, which measuresInternet audiences, have found that women account for morethan a quarter of all visitors to sites with adult content,with more than 10 million women logging on to such sites inDecember alone. ComScore Media Metrix, an Internet research firm, has foundeven higher female demand for adult sites - 42 percent ofall visitors in January - with the highest rates amongwomen ages 18 to 34. The Internet also helps sales for other sex-relatedbusinesses. Toys in Babeland, a company founded by women to sell sextoys and other sex products to women in 1993, with threestores in Washington and New York, said online
purchaseshave boomed in the last four years, outpacing mail-orderand retail sales. "We're getting a boost from the way theInternet allows privacy and from a shift in expectationsabout sex, specially in women," Claire Cavanah, a co-owner,said. "It's a whole new mindset." As recently as a decade ago, the customer base for Adam Eve, a mail-order marketer of adult entertainment andnovelties, was virtually all male, said Katy Zvolerin, aspokeswoman for the company, which is based in Charlotte,N.C. Today, women account for 30 percent of the company'scatalog sales and 40 percent of Internet sales, she said. More women in the business helps to generate more femaledemand. Debra Curtis, a lecturer on anthropology at SalveRegina University in Newport, R.I., said theTupperware-style demonstration parties of sex toys, wherewomen sit around with friends in a relaxed setting, help topromote sex toys as fun and
mainstream. The saleswomen makethe toys "imaginable," she said, for those who would neverhave considered using them. "The market is providing women multiple ways of beingsexual," said Ms. Curtis, who wrote a paper for the journalCultural Anthropology on the gatherings. "There are newsexual repertoires, new rules and expectations, beingcreated. It's not just about romance. It's about increasingsexual pleasure. " Some critics are skeptical of what is driving the demand."Are they doing this to please the men or pleasethemselves?" asked Tamara Kreinin, president of theSexuality Information and Education Council of the UnitedStates, a nonprofit group that promotes comprehensiveeducation about sexuality. " `Sex and the City' isindicative of a certain comfort, but for most women it'smuch less about sex and much more about the relationship." Others say that embracing pornography is an unhealthy
signthat women are trying to imitate men's attitudes toward sexrather than using their perspective to influence men'sbehavior. "The women's pornography I've seen is still prettyblatant," said Diana E. H. Russell, a professor emerita ofsociology at Mills College in Oakland, Calif., and anexpert on sexual violence. "It's done in a more gentle way,but it's still sex without

ugnet_: Re: Fwd: DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT

2004-02-20 Thread Rehema Mukooza

Members:

Do our fellow Ugandans in the USA ever have "LIFE INSURANCE" ?! Whenever a Ugandan dies, I always hear cries of financial support on funeral arrangements and transportation of the body. This is not making any more sense! I'm sorry! 

However as it is, Deathwill visit each and everyone of us inthe same way asLife visited and is still our guest. May his soul rest in eternal peace!

Zakoomu R.james ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:52:06 -0800 (PST)From: Ggwangamujje-NYNJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: DEATH ANNOUNCEMENTTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Dear Ugandans and friends:

Miss. Joy Mayanja of Hillside, NJ announces with great sorrow the death of her cousin, Jackson Mayanja, who resided at Hackensack, New Jersey. Jackson Mayanja died in hit and run car accident last night in Newark,
 New Jersey.

The body is in funeral home while arrangements to take the body back to Uganda are underway. We need $7,800.00 for all the arrangements and transportation to take the body back home. We have been able to raise $5,100 so far. We need financial assistance to raise the balance - $2,700.

We shall gather tomorrow from 4:00 PM onwards at Joy Mayanjas home - Hillside to mourn the death. Please pass the message around. 
Call for more details:-

Joy Mayanja (908) 851-2633 Call tomorrow

Wycliffe Lule-Musoke (908) 591-9965 Call tomorrow



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Re: ugnet_: RE: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism

2004-02-20 Thread Joracha1




In a message dated 2/20/2004 2:19:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Mr. Joracha:
Whatever gives you the notion that I have a problem with Northerners (or are you up to your tricks again of trying to put words in my mouth)? In your mind is UPC = Northern Uganda?
Pray tell, where in my message did mention anything about the North?
Let me state categorically: my problem is with the UPC period -- regardless of where they hail from. They have massacred us on two different occassions (Obote I  Obote II), and will do so if given another chance.
What part of that don't you understand Mr. Joracha?
Ssemakula
Ssemakula; 
I thought you understand the meanings of what you write especially as it pertains to all Ugandans. The language that you use makes it clear that you equate UPC with northerners. You do not care about any other names like Rwanyarare etc. You have not even bothered to find out what UPC preaches and what some people ar perverting. Such reasoning will really help us all get rid of undesirable elements from our leadership. Otherwise, what you have categorically stated is that UPC is norhtern led and you do not like it come rain or sunshine.
I was hoping that you would refer me to relevant parts of the constitution or party manifestos but I was mistaken. I say you are not helping Uganda at all.

No offense meant but would appreciate a more balanced arguments in search of our lost unity.

Oracha

Re: ugnet_: RE: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism\J.Oracha

2004-02-20 Thread ssenya nyange

J. Oracha,

   You asked Semakula:
  ..so, where do we go from here as uganda from different parts of 
the same country? 

The answer is simple but UPC have refused the call for a truth  
reconciliation commission similar to that of South Africa. If the former 
white regime of S.A had refused to participate in that commission ( just 
like UPC is doing), where would south Africa be now? Think about it 
seriously. The commision should target the problems from independence ( 
1962) to present. Different groups should air out their sentiments, agree or 
give explanations why they dont agree; give solutions how to prevent them in 
future, and finally forgive each other. BUt being in constant denial wont 
wipe away memories of our late beloved ones, our lost properties and freedom 
which existed before 1965.
If Ssenyange, Semakula, Adhola, Matek, Mulindwa etc makes any attack on UPC, 
Baganda, after the reconciliation, then you will call them hate mongers.

Ssenyange
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Subject: Re: ugnet_: RE: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:13:12 EST
Semakula:
Apparently everything that you have said has been done by the present 
regime
more than the past. So where do we go from here as Uganda from different 
parts
of the same country? Do you think your method will solve uganda's problem 
as
a nation?

Do you think it would be a good idea to cut off the northerners beyond a
certain line so that no one can cross that line? There is however a 
possibility
that you are not yet mature enough to talk about the affairs of country 
with so
many diverse culture and people as Uganda. I wonder wheter you know why we
have constitution. Just think, or try to think a little bit this time, and 
you
may find that the solution to the problem is being treated equal in the 
eyes of
the law.

Kong watemu do en ryeko wu ni!

In a message dated 2/19/2004 2:33:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'dn't trust the UPC further than I can throw them -- which is not very 
far;
nor give their lies any currency.
Unfortunately, while DP undergoes its re-birth, the UPC are lurching onto 
the
very ideas we have long advocated, especially federalism based on
economically viable units/states -- ideas that the UPC have in the past 
worked tirelessly
to destroy, hinder and/or otherwise obsfucate.
It is encumbate (sp) upon all of us to keep remindind Ugandans, especially
the UB40s, on UPC's well-documented role in causing chaos in Uganda on two
separate occassions: Obote I and Obote II.
UPC is our enemy, nor matter how they package themselves. Remember
Naakulabye! Remember the infamous killing fields of 'Luweero Triangle'! 
Remember 'Panda
Gari'! Remember 1966!, etc, etc. Never, never again!
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Re: ugnet_: RE: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism

In a message dated 2/20/2004 8:54:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Ssemakula;
I thought you understand the meanings of what you write especially as it pertains to all Ugandans. The language that you use makes it clear that you equate UPC with northerners. You do not care about any other names like Rwanyarare etc. You have not even bothered to find out what UPC preaches and what some people ar perverting.

The man is a very bitter fellow who no longer engages in rational thinking! The reality of the matter, Mwami Ssemakula, (just to piss you off) is that weather you like it or NOT you are going to have to deal with a national party such as the Uganda Peoples Congress. NRM realizes this fact, so does the Democratic Party, CP, Reform Agende and anybody who is somebody in Uganda Politics.

Indeed Museveni has tried to do away with the UPC ...and he has failed thus far. We are in every single facet of Uganda political landscapeeven in Yoweri Museveni State House !.. So learn to deal with reality every heard of the UPC slogan... UPC EVERYWHERE UPC ..EVERYWHERE UPC!!!

Matek

- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister

RE: ugnet_: Re: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism

2004-02-20 Thread ssenya nyange

Mr. Semakula,

  You said

 4. The fact that none of the UPC membership spoke out for us when we were 
mowed down by your armed thugs, means that you all supported the policies of 
your party whole heartedly

Believe me even on UGnet discussion we challenged UPC members 
and Adhola to remove the hate monger on UPCnet which  was almost inciting 
genocide on Baganda, no one from UPC supported us. Matek, Akanga, Mulindwa, 
etc all supported Adholas idiology of the formation of UPC and the history 
behind it. Alittle bit was later modified on that website but still depicts 
Buganda and Baganda as enemies of the rest of Uganda. Visit that page on 
UPCnet under history of UPC by Adhola.  He put it point blank that  The 
rest of Uganda who had sentiments against Baganda associated under Obote to 
form Obote's splinter party of UPC. Those were the words in his original 
document which I saved on my floppy disk. Is this the party to be supported 
by any sane peace and freedom loving person?  If the big majority share 
this kind of sentiments and idiologies on UPCnet official website,  then 
Uganda is doomed. A national party attacking the nationalities of a major 
part of the country, to the extent of telling the world that its major aim 
is to REDRESS the sentiments against Baganda... Hahahaha. We are 
dreaaaming about peace.

Ssenyange

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Ms. Margret (Margaret?):
Unless you started reading this forum yesterday, you'd know that I am a vocal critic of Museveni/Movement, especially with regard to the prosecution of the war in the North -- even thogh it si now quite clear that the most of the atrocoties in that war are committed by Kony and his followers.
That aside, also single out Obote and the UPC as a danger to peace in Uganda. I gave particular incidents that clearly show just how bloodthirsty that abominable beast, Obote, really is. If you can refute any of what I stated I am all ears.
The UPC should never again be allowed to conUgandans into giving them power ever. We must never forget what the UPC did to Uganda on two separate occassions -- proof of what they are. 
The litanny of theirtheir crimesis endless, butwell-documented. Itincludes detaining their own members without trial, ceaseless state of emergence in Buganda,attacking the Kingdom of Buganda and eventually summarily abolishing all kingdoms in Uganda,brutal killings at Nakulabye,horrific massacre for students of St. Mary's Kisubi, abolition of Uganda's federal form governance in favor of a unitary one, massacres in the so-called Luweero-Trangle (there are video records of the aftermath of their rampage, Red-Cross reports -- some in my possession, but widely distributed), panda gari,  etc. etc. speaks for itself, clearly and loudly: they are a deadly snake! 
Some of their brutality was recorded in the world press in the period around 1980-1985. Their motives, and methods have been chronicled by former insiders, especally Grace Ibingira in his book African Upheavals Since Independence, which I have excerpted on Ugandanet and are willing to provide you those excerpts. There are also numerous other sources, like Transition magazine, Uganda Argus newspaper (my colleagues and I have access to it), to mention but a few. It was Obote who once threatened to turn the entire West Nile District into a National Park -- presumably after wiping out its human population!
Is this a party that a sane person would willingly return to power?
(Ibingira was Seretary General of the UPC, its Attorney General, and a senior Minister; whom Obote imprisoned without trial -- until Idi Amin, another Obote protege sprung him from detention.)
The UPC are up to no good, andtheir blood-drenched history abundantly proves it. 
If the UPC ever hood-wink us into allowing a UPC III, not even trees would be left standing in Uganda andriver Nile would turn red with our blood!
Ssemakula

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Ssemakula, Oryema etal, 
Sometimes I wrote about Uganda civil society being quite tribalistic, this includes even Ugandan political ideology that is based on the similar throes. This is the very reason OBOTE is hated and he has become a political punch -bag by the Bantu - Hamites intelectuals as well as the illiterates! 
I think and I know that the likes of these

Re: ugnet_: Re: [FedsNet] UPC on Federalism

Ssenyange:

Apparently Ssemakula's outburst against the UPC (and all it's members) seems to justify what Yoga wrote and is posted on UPC website...wouldn't you agree? Listen the art of politics (in case you have not yet realize) is about constantly wining minds and heart to your side.

Matek

In a message dated 2/20/2004 10:34:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Buganda and Baganda as enemies of the "rest of Uganda". Visit that page on
UPCnet under history of UPC by Adhola. He put it point blank that " The
rest of Uganda who had sentiments against Baganda associated under Obote to
form Obote's splinter party of UPC". Those were the words in his original
document which I saved on my floppy disk. Is this the party to be supported
by any sane peace and freedom loving person? If the "big" majority share
this kind of sentiments and idiologies on UPCnet official website, then
Uganda is doomed. A "national" party attacking the nationalities of a major
part of the country, to the extent of telling the world that its major aim
is to REDRESS the sentiments against Baganda... Hahahaha. We are
dreaaaming about peace.

Ssenyange

- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels - Hitler's propaganda minister

RE: ugnet_: Re: Fwd: DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT

2004-02-20 Thread Ed Kironde









I know Joy
Mayanja personally, but never knew the late cousin. May the loving God rest his soul in
eternal peace. Many Ugandans coming to the USA started their lives in New Jersey with Joy extending a helping hand to them. Some known figures in Uganda stay with Joy when they visit New Jersey.

It is part of
our culture to come to the needs of the bereaved family when called upon; or
offer whatever services we can at times like these. Rehema, you
can have all the insurance in the world, but will never take away the grief
from your loved ones. Your life insurance might cover transportation of the
coffin to a foreign land; and most probably, our departed Jackson Mayanjas coverage might have been different from
yours, hence the call for help. 

Such calls
are purely voluntary. 



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ANNOUNCEMENT





Members:











Do our fellow Ugandans in the USA ever have LIFE INSURANCE
?! Whenever a Ugandan dies, I always hear cries of financial support on
funeral arrangements and transportation of the body. This is not making
any more sense! I'm sorry! 











However as it is, Deathwill visit each and everyone of us
inthe same way asLife visited and is still our guest. May his
soul rest in eternal peace!











Zakoomu R.

james ssemakula
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







 ATTACHMENT part 2
message/rfc822 
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:52:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Ggwangamujje-NYNJ 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]







Dear Ugandans and friends:



Miss. Joy Mayanja of Hillside, NJ
announces with great sorrow the death of her cousin, Jackson Mayanja, who
resided at Hackensack, New Jersey. Jackson Mayanja died in hit and run car
accident last night in Newark, New
Jersey.



The body is in funeral home while arrangements to take the body back to
Uganda are
underway. We need $7,800.00 for all
the arrangements and transportation to take the body back home. We have been able to raise $5,100 so
far. We need financial assistance
to raise the balance - $2,700.



We shall gather tomorrow from 4:00 PM
onwards at Joy Mayanjas home - Hillside to mourn
the death. Please pass the message
around. 

Call for more details:-



Joy Mayanja (908) 851-2633 Call tomorrow



Wycliffe Lule-Musoke (908) 591-9965 Call tomorrow



















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RE: ugnet_: UPC on Federalism

2004-02-20 Thread Ed Kironde









Well try this with your response with a little twist



It is you who is displaying you your
foolishness. 

Let me remind you my friend as to what happen in Hitler's Germany(Obotes Uganda) You see in
Germany (Uganda)while Hitler(obote) was operating Nazi Concentration camps at
Ashuwarts (Luwero Triangle) (sp) Tiblica were many
Jews (Baganda) were
exterminated in gas chambers, (sometimes using burning jerry cans) the Nazi's (youth Wingers and Agetas agents) developed
an igneous game plan. 

Any foreign dignitary who would visit the camps, (Luzira, Mbuya, Makindye Barracks), Hiller's SS (Obotes Henchmen)
made sure, would meet Jews (Baganda) who looked
fattened, healthy, and in clean cloth. 



 A few selected Jews (Baganda dancers) would put up a performance to the foreign
dignitary which was meant to leave an impression
that the Jews were actually enjoying life in (Luzira, Luwero Triangle and Makindye) concentration camps. 

The British/American visitor would leave satisfied that all is well in the Nazi
Concentration camps.(The Buaganda
Kingdom) We now know that after the allies (NRA) liberated Germany, Poland (Uganda)e.t.c the true suffering of the Jews(Baganda) has came to
light. 







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Subject: ugnet_: UPC on Federalism



In a message dated 2/20/2004 4:43:50 PM Eastern Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:




Matek stop your foolishness and lies...has any harm come to
Mr. Rwanyarare, 
Mr. Okumu and all those other UPC stalwarts who regular insult and tell lies 
on the President, if there was no political space in Uganda would they be 
allowed to openly oppose the President under a differing political umbrella, 
if it was during the UPC days Okumu and Rwanyarare would be dead or in 
prisonas usual you are talking out of ignorance because you have not 
been in Uganda for ages..
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EMuusaazi:







It is you who is
displaying you your foolishness. 

Let me remind you my friend as to what happen in Hitler's Germany. You
see in Germany while Hitler was operating Nazi Concentration camps at Ashuwarts
(sp) Tiblica were many Jews were exterminated in gas chambers, the Nazi's
developed an igneous game plan. 

Any foreign dignitary who would visit the camps, Hiller's SS made sure, would
meet Jews who looked fattened, healthy, and in clean cloth. 



 A few selected Jews would put up a performance to the foreign
dignitary which was meant to 

leave an
impression that the Jews were actually enjoying life in the concentration
camps. 

The British/American visitor would leave satisfied that all is well in the Nazi
Concentration camps. We now know that after the allies liberated Germany,
Poland e.t.c the true suffering of the Jews has came to light. 

The moral here is that Military dictatorship such as that of Yoweeri Museveni
have perfected the act of deception and taken it to the highest level.

That said, merely allowing Dr. Rwanyarare and Mr. Okumu to quote insult
and tell lies on your President does not and cannot be misconstrued to
imply that there is political freedom in Uganda. 




 The reality is that the fundamental Human Rights of our
fellow citizens to freely 



associate with a view to impart or receive ideas
under the setting of a political party has been legally restricted for now 18
years under NRM Military dictatorship. 



 Under this circumstance, the NRM has continuously proclaimed
to the world 



and to Ugandans that the UPC and other political
parties are NOT popular.




Matek 









or eradicating your enemies as you did when you were in power (probably that 
was when last your were in Uganda). Therefore you think that, that is what 
is going on in Uganda today. In the Uganda of today poeple can openly 
profess their political affiliations without fear. Unlike in your time (when 
UPC was in power), there is rule of law in Uganda and when people go against 
the law they are arrested and charged (unlike in your time when they were 
summarily executed or imprisoned without trial). I guess the term rule of

law is strange to you. Right now in Uganda there is freedom of political 
_expression_. Right now Uganda is under the movement system of government and 
the constitution clearly stipulates the acceptable political space under 
such a system. If and when the multiparty system is adopted as stipulated in 
the constitution, then the requsite or correponding political space will be 
triggered. All that is going on Uganda is constitutional, but then again you 
are not used to operating under constitutions, are you?




The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the
people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It
thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to

ED THIS ONE IS EVEN BETTER!!- ugnet_: UPC on Federalism