[UC] correction re: hazardous waste drop-off events Sat May 22 4800 Parkside Ave
I failed to notice that Streets Dept website still features 2009 events. Fortunately Frank and Fran were paying attention. -Lew The link http://www.phila.gov/streets/hazardous_waste.html has last year's dates on it, so I called the Streets Dept. and was told the correct dates for the 1st two events: April 23rd (not the 18th) SaturdayStreets Department's Training Center State Road at Ashburner Street, 1.3 miles north of Cottman Avenue and south of Linden Avenue. May 22nd (not the 23rd) SaturdayStreets Department's 1st District Highway Yard 4800 Parkside Avenue. -- -Frank
Re: [UC] Penn deserves credit, was Civility
PS. For those of you not subscribed to UCNeighbors, that listserv is now a Google Group and is no longer hosted by or affiliated with Penn. Thanks for this great news, Frank! The Penn administration deserves credit for kicking them out! I would have liked to see the University publicly apologize in the DP and discipline Cassidy as a deterent to other employees. But the most important action was to stand by the open expression policy! When I brought the clear violations of the policy to the President's office after Censorship week, they adamantly reaffirmed a commitment to open expression at Penn. Apparently, the long delay in their response was a PR strategy and it allowed the gang time to move to google where they belong. I'm in Boston, but I will send an appropriate letter of thanks to the administration when I return. I'm still a West Philadelphia resident and Penn took the right action for our neighborhood by kicking them out! Also, I have a few additions to the history that you, Ray, Wilma, and others addressed. A total of 5 or 6 unidentified neighbors were to be pre-banned from barking cheese, (My identity was only discovered because they apparently did not realize that their archives were not initially blocked). Also, no specific examples of prohibited topics or uncivil posts were ever provided as examples to show the need for censorship of a neighborhood listserv. (This was an overwhelming power-play against everyone, intimidating everyone about Cassidy's personal power as censor. It's covered in Intimidation 101) Thirdly, I was informed that one of the founding cheeseheads had openly advocated taking over PFSNI shortly before the censored list was formed. The barking cheese gang has always acted as a virtual flash mob. I think your suspicion is correct that Cassidy's book was a driving force, but it probably saved the public PSFNI list from torment. (I wonder if Brian, Kyle, and the others still take a perverse pleasure when homeless people are murdered?? Several subscribers including Karen, Ray, and Al politely asked them to stop, after they found such perverse pleasure at the murder of a homeless man at 49th and Locust. That was an example of their neighborly civility shortly before barking cheese was announced.) Great news about Penn, Glenn PS: Waiting for a civil neighborly response from West and Siano-hehehe -Original Message- From: Frank Carroll fcarr...@pobox.com Sent: Apr 2, 2010 12:27 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes) If I remember correctly—and I'm sure that I do—Kyle started his personal listserv less than a week before his book was released. I always suspected that he did it to avoid any discussion about the book's subject matter. In that sense I agree with you. I don't think he can easily deal with disagreements. I could be wrong. Frank PS. For those of you not subscribed to UCNeighbors, that listserv is now a Google Group and is no longer hosted by or affiliated with Penn. On Apr 1, 2010, at 08:59 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: Wilma de Soto wrote: As an original member of the SHCA Listserv and its subsequent UnivCity Listserv, I will never believe UCNeighbors was not formed in order to discredit and shut down the UnivCity Listserv@ purple. kyle set up his listserv towards the end of july 2007 after being on this list for years. though it's convenient for some to think this list upmanship has all been a question of civility, kyle's free-wheeling posting style here was certainly no model of civility; while he was on this list he behaved at times as badly as (if not worse than) those he (and others) accused of behaving badly. his leaving was not about the civility of this list, but about the inability of everyone on this list to agree. many people countered his arguments and points of view with the same free-wheeling style he used. some who did agree with him (while matching his free-wheeling style) left to join his list at the same time he did; in fact, they were posting on his new list before kyle posted the news here that he had set up his new list. on july 27 the following free-wheeling exchange happened between he and melani on his new list: In a message dated 7/27/07 6:49:04 PM, kcassidy at asc.upenn.edu writes: the cool thing about this software is that i can pre-ban glenn! to which melani replied: This will be heaven. But, I hope he doesn't know where you live. Melani and then on july 28, kyle announced on this list that he had set up his new list. one difference between kyle's list and this list: unlike kyle's list, this list's archive can be viewed by ANYONE, whether they are subscribed or not. the above exchange, in fact, is archived here: http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18895.html and from there anyone can explore what kyle and others
Re: [UC] Second Census Form?
You're only supposed to submit one form, so if you did the first one, you don't need to do the second one! Paul -Original Message- From: Cindy Armour armour.ci...@gmail.com To: Gary J. Jastrzab garyjastr...@comcast.net Cc: ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu; univcity@list.purple.com univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, Apr 2, 2010 1:38 am Subject: Re: [UC] Second Census Form? I received a second one today. Although a bit annoying I'll go ahead and fill it out again since it will only take about a minute or so. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Gary J. Jastrzab garyjastr...@comcast.net wrote: How many subscribers to this list received a second 2010 Census form at their mailing address? How many didn't receive one at all? GJJ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Second Census Form?
When I sorted the mail yesterday I saw that I and the other two residents at my address each got a second census form. To: ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu; univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Second Census Form? Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 08:02:33 -0400 From: pmuyeh...@aol.com You're only supposed to submit one form, so if you did the first one, you don't need to do the second one! Paul -Original Message- From: Cindy Armour armour.ci...@gmail.com To: Gary J. Jastrzab garyjastr...@comcast.net Cc: ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu; univcity@list.purple.com univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Fri, Apr 2, 2010 1:38 am Subject: Re: [UC] Second Census Form? I received a second one today. Although a bit annoying I'll go ahead and fill it out again since it will only take about a minute or so. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 1, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Gary J. Jastrzab garyjastr...@comcast.net wrote: How many subscribers to this list received a second 2010 Census form at their mailing address? How many didn't receive one at all? GJJ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Second Census Form?
I have; TWO in fact and we have submitted ours already. On 4/1/10 11:51 PM, Gary J. Jastrzab garyjastr...@comcast.net wrote: How many subscribers to this list received a second 2010 Census form at their mailing address? How many didn't receive one at all? GJJ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Second Census Form?
One house, one household here, two new forms. On 4/2/10 12:04 AM, Andrew Diller dill...@dillernet.com wrote: Just depends if your house is zoned multi-family or not. Zoned multi = 2 forms, one for each 'household.' Andrew Diller On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Karen Heenan karen6...@msn.com wrote: I got a second one today. I mailed the first one in last weekend. - Original Message - From: Gary J. Jastrzab mailto:garyjastr...@comcast.net To: ucneighb...@hector.asc.upenn.edu ; univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 11:51 PM Subject: [UC] Second Census Form? How many subscribers to this list received a second 2010 Census form at their mailing address? How many didn't receive one at all? GJJ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Civility
Tony, In your response to Kimm with the term pro-decay forces, is a fine example of the mindset behind the forming of the UCNeighbors listserv. Let me say that derision of the UnivCity listserv is not the primary reason for many of the subscribers to UCNeighbors, but it is for the founder and several people close to him. Kyle's motives were anything but inscutable. I cannot forget the comments such as, were civilized over here, there's nothing but crazies at the purple listserv. Right on up to the latest comments about higher neighborhood input versus lower neighborhood input, pro-decay forces. In fairness, I have to acknowledge my reticence to join UCNeighbors may be a question of cultural differences. I have lived in the city my entire life. I have no personal experience with planned communities, or suburban communities whose make-up is much less diverse and who seek to ban the other from their midst. Those sorts of communities that are deliberately set up to exclude certain types of people for whatever reasons are incompatible to my existence and cultural mindset. However, the people who formed UCNeighbors may have had experience with these sort of communities and actually like them and prefer them to the takes all kinds approach of the purple listserv. The fact they closed their archives from the public did not suggest neighborliness to me at its onset. UCNeighbors may have evolved into just stimulating community discussion now and I say good. Its original premise as well as the continued disparagement of people on this listserv is the reason why I, in good conscious, cannot join them no matter how many nice people are subscribed there. My apologies for my viewpoint and shortcomings on this topic. On 4/2/10 1:27 AM, Anthony West anthony_w...@earthlink.net wrote: So our knowable neighbor Kyle may have had some inscrutable motive for creating a better community listserve than currently existed in his neighborhood, when the existing model was unpleasantly dominated by posts from some crazy persons on Purple. Perhaps, as you say, he cannot deal with disagreements. But nobody - neither you nor me - can dispute that Kyle sets clear and simple limits on what he decides, whereas what Purple decides is a perpetual mystery to everyone. Purple in no way reflects the concerns of ordinary West Philadelphians, because it lacks any form of control, whereas most West Philadelphians live under control.. -- Tony West If I remember correctlyand I'm sure that I doKyle started his personal listserv less than a week before his book was released. I always suspected that he did it to avoid any discussion about the book's subject matter. In that sense I agree with you. I don't think he can easily deal with disagreements. I could be wrong. Frank You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Re: [Ucneighbors] Second Census Form?
All postal mailing addresses (should have) received an original form, and then a follow-up form to increase the mail participation rate. If one of these is not received by the Census Bureau for your address, an in-person enumerator will be dispatched in the coming weeks. GJJ On Apr 2, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Frank Innes wrote: We received a second form yesterday. Thanks for asking. -Frank On Apr 1, 2010 11:55 PM, Brian Siano briansi...@gmail.com wrote: I got a second one. Figured it was a mistake-- I'd sent my original back only two days ago. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Gary J. Jastrzab garyjastr...@comcast.net wrote: How many s... ___ ucneighbors mailing list ucneighb...@lists.asc.upenn.edu http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors ___ ucneighbors mailing list ucneighb...@lists.asc.upenn.edu http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors
[UC] Chihuahua still lost - photo attached
Here is the ad and photo:-LLURGENT LOST Black Tan CHIHUAHUA (44th Baltimore)Date: 2010-04-01, 10:37PM EDTReply to:comm-erb59-1672599...@craigslist.org[Errors when replying to ads?]Urgent - Lost Black and Tan chihuahua, last seen 44th and Baltimore at 8:30pm Thursday April 1 - Answers to Mole or Molecule. She has no collar..she escaped through an open apartment door. PLEASE PLEASE respond if you have any information.Mole is very small and shy but sweet. Please call if you have any information.respond to: anthony_w...@earthlink.netLocation: 44th Baltimoreit's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interestsPostingID: 1672599557
Re: [UC] Civility
Wilma, As far as I know, nobody on UCNeighbors ever disparages anybody who posts on Purple. It's only people on Purple who disparage people who post on Purple, or on any other list for that matter. This is the only listserve where neighbors disparage neighbors at times. I wish it weren't so, but it is. Your remarks about planned communities don't seem to have any bearing on a listserve. If you go into Dahlak for a drink, you are entering a planned community. Rude public behavior is discouraged and can in theory be enforced. In practice, everybody gets along well there. How's that for city life? -- Tony West On 4/2/2010 8:36 AM, Wilma de Soto wrote: Tony, In your response to Kimm with the term pro-decay forces, is a fine example of the mindset behind the forming of the UCNeighbors listserv. Let me say that derision of the UnivCity listserv is not the primary reason for many of the subscribers to UCNeighbors, but it is for the founder and several people close to him. Kyle's motives were anything but inscutable. I cannot forget the comments such as, were civilized over here, there's nothing but crazies at the purple listserv. Right on up to the latest comments about higher neighborhood input versus lower neighborhood input, pro-decay forces. In fairness, I have to acknowledge my reticence to join UCNeighbors may be a question of cultural differences. I have lived in the city my entire life. I have no personal experience with planned communities, or suburban communities whose make-up is much less diverse and who seek to ban the other from their midst. Those sorts of communities that are deliberately set up to exclude certain types of people for whatever reasons are incompatible to my existence and cultural mindset. However, the people who formed UCNeighbors may have had experience with these sort of communities and actually like them and prefer them to the takes all kinds approach of the purple listserv. The fact they closed their archives from the public did not suggest neighborliness to me at its onset. UCNeighbors may have evolved into just stimulating community discussion now and I say good. Its original premise as well as the continued disparagement of people on this listserv is the reason why I, in good conscious, cannot join them no matter how many nice people are subscribed there. My apologies for my viewpoint and shortcomings on this topic. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)
Frank, I'll make you a bet: that in the very near future, people on this list will take your I think he did it to avoid discussion of his book speculation, and treat it as a given fact. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Frank Carroll fcarr...@pobox.com wrote: If I remember correctly—and I'm sure that I do—Kyle started his personal listserv less than a week before his book was released. I always suspected that he did it to avoid any discussion about the book's subject matter. In that sense I agree with you. I don't think he can easily deal with disagreements. I could be wrong. Frank PS. For those of you not subscribed to UCNeighbors, that listserv is now a Google Group and is no longer hosted by or affiliated with Penn. On Apr 1, 2010, at 08:59 PM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: Wilma de Soto wrote: As an original member of the SHCA Listserv and its subsequent UnivCity Listserv, I will never believe UCNeighbors was not formed in order to discredit and shut down the UnivCity Listserv@ purple. kyle set up his listserv towards the end of july 2007 after being on this list for years. though it's convenient for some to think this list upmanship has all been a question of civility, kyle's free-wheeling posting style here was certainly no model of civility; while he was on this list he behaved at times as badly as (if not worse than) those he (and others) accused of behaving badly. his leaving was not about the civility of this list, but about the inability of everyone on this list to agree. many people countered his arguments and points of view with the same free-wheeling style he used. some who did agree with him (while matching his free-wheeling style) left to join his list at the same time he did; in fact, they were posting on his new list before kyle posted the news here that he had set up his new list. on july 27 the following free-wheeling exchange happened between he and melani on his new list: In a message dated 7/27/07 6:49:04 PM, kcassidy at asc.upenn.eduwrites: the cool thing about this software is that i can pre-ban glenn! to which melani replied: This will be heaven. But, I hope he doesn't know where you live. Melani and then on july 28, kyle announced on this list that he had set up his new list. one difference between kyle's list and this list: unlike kyle's list, this list's archive can be viewed by ANYONE, whether they are subscribed or not. the above exchange, in fact, is archived here: http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18895.html and from there anyone can explore what kyle and others posted over the years -- good, bad, or ugly -- and the discussions that followed his leaving: http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18858.html .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)
Frank Carroll wrote: If I remember correctly—and I'm sure that I do—Kyle started his personal listserv less than a week before his book was released. I always suspected that he did it to avoid any discussion about the book's subject matter. In that sense I agree with you. I don't think he can easily deal with disagreements. I could be wrong. when kyle announced his new list on june 28 2007, it was also during a time when there was a lot of discussion on this list about the newspaper reports of the ucd scandal over john fenton. here's kyle discussing it on jun 27: http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18162.html these discussions were also tied to discussions about the scandal's negative impact on ucd and its proposed nid, which had been a long ongoing topic on this list and which kyle actively took part in. over the years, and even today, many discussions on this list reveal a lot of things that organizations (like shca, uchs, fopc, ucd) would, understandably, not like to be publicly available. that's the thing about this list: it has a publicly accessible archive. here's kyle on jun 28, announcing his new list and his intention to unsubscribe from this list: http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18858.html and here's kyle later that same day, asking if we could stop talking about ucd and fenton: http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18194.html . . . but the nice thing about this list's archive: any reader can access the context and behaviors of the people posting, and see and judge for themselves their degree of civility, their taking sides, forming cliques -- or not -- and how such an archive makes disgusting pieces of revisionist history impossible. it also shows how people like to hear themselves validated on a list, by like-minded people. for example, just before kyle formed his new list, here he was, with ross, mike vanhelder and brian, laughing together over a murder that had occurred at 49th and locust: http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg17995.html and here was al calling attention to that: http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18016.html .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Penn deserves credit, was Civility
Glenn moyer wrote: PS. For those of you not subscribed to UCNeighbors, that listserv is now a Google Group and is no longer hosted by or affiliated with Penn. Thanks for this great news, Frank! The Penn administration deserves credit for kicking them out! does this link still work? should it be modified/removed? http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Penn deserves credit, was Civility
does this link still work? should it be modified/removed? http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors Yes, I'm trying to check this out. Everything is the same on the asc e-mail list page. The asc.upenn.edu still appears on these cross posted messages as well. Frank, how did you discover that UCNeighbors was moved to google? Thanks, Glenn PS: I hope the weather is as nice in Phila. as it is in Boston. It's lovely -Original Message- From: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN laserb...@speedymail.org Sent: Apr 2, 2010 10:13 AM To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Penn deserves credit, was Civility Glenn moyer wrote: PS. For those of you not subscribed to UCNeighbors, that listserv is now a Google Group and is no longer hosted by or affiliated with Penn. Thanks for this great news, Frank! The Penn administration deserves credit for kicking them out! .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Civility
So people who like to reread 3-year-old neighborhood quarrels can do so on Purple. That's true, I suppose. It is hard to imagine why any organization would care about these archives, though. Just because one finds something on the Web doesn't make it true, and it doesn't get truer the longer it sits around. Anyway, old rage and old anger aren't that important. It is Good Friday. Peace to everyone on this list, and all my neighbors. -- Tony West On 4/2/2010 9:02 AM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: when kyle announced his new list on june 28 2007, it was also during a time when there was a lot of discussion on this list about the newspaper reports of the ucd scandal over john fenton. here's kyle discussing it on jun 27: http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18162.html these discussions were also tied to discussions about the scandal's negative impact on ucd and its proposed nid, which had been a long ongoing topic on this list and which kyle actively took part in. over the years, and even today, many discussions on this list reveal a lot of things that organizations (like shca, uchs, fopc, ucd) would, understandably, not like to be publicly available. that's the thing about this list: it has a publicly accessible archive. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Civility
Tony, I promised myself I would not speak on this again, but at the risk of gainsaying my own principles I need to clarify things. I already stated the disparaging of the purple listserv is not the purpuse or reason may subscribers to UCNeighbors post or subscribe to the list. However, the founder and those either close to him or agree with him forming the listserv do. The phrases, we're civilized over here, there's nothing but crazies at the purple listserv, pro-decay forces, higher neighborhood input, lower neighborhood input, to wit those who post on UnivCity listserv versus those on UCNeighbors, did not come from me or anyone else who recalls the environment that led to the new listserv. Remarks by the UCNeighbors listserv founder such as, I can pre-ban Glenn and the accompanying chortles about this are considered to be rude behavior by me. Pre-banning people in the community, making UCNeighbors archives private etc. and the subsequent weak-kneed justifications of this policy remind me of the practices of restricted communities. Perhaps it's just me, as I said before, by having a different cultural experience, but I can almost hear phrases such as, We're not prejudiced here; we just like to keep our community a certain way. In my experience, right or wrong, if your gut tells you something it's for a reason and that's the reaction I felt when UCNeighbors was born. I agree with you that the planned community approach has nothing to with a listserv and that is my point; especially in an area with so many different types of people that live and work in UC. None of the above has anything to do with Dahlak or any other business in the area, which although I have not been there for a while, would still be open for me to patronize as a customer. I too dislike rude behavior in public places as well as in my own home. If it were my home or place of business, you can be certain I would enforce standards of decorum. On 4/2/10 10:01 AM, Anthony West anthony_w...@earthlink.net wrote: Wilma, As far as I know, nobody on UCNeighbors ever disparages anybody who posts on Purple. It's only people on Purple who disparage people who post on Purple, or on any other list for that matter. This is the only listserve where neighbors disparage neighbors at times. I wish it weren't so, but it is. Your remarks about planned communities don't seem to have any bearing on a listserve. If you go into Dahlak for a drink, you are entering a planned community. Rude public behavior is discouraged and can in theory be enforced. In practice, everybody gets along well there. How's that for city life? -- Tony West On 4/2/2010 8:36 AM, Wilma de Soto wrote: Tony, In your response to Kimm with the term pro-decay forces, is a fine example of the mindset behind the forming of the UCNeighbors listserv. Let me say that derision of the UnivCity listserv is not the primary reason for many of the subscribers to UCNeighbors, but it is for the founder and several people close to him. Kyle's motives were anything but inscutable. I cannot forget the comments such as, were civilized over here, there's nothing but crazies at the purple listserv. Right on up to the latest comments about higher neighborhood input versus lower neighborhood input, pro-decay forces. In fairness, I have to acknowledge my reticence to join UCNeighbors may be a question of cultural differences. I have lived in the city my entire life. I have no personal experience with planned communities, or suburban communities whose make-up is much less diverse and who seek to ban the other from their midst. Those sorts of communities that are deliberately set up to exclude certain types of people for whatever reasons are incompatible to my existence and cultural mindset. However, the people who formed UCNeighbors may have had experience with these sort of communities and actually like them and prefer them to the takes all kinds approach of the purple listserv. The fact they closed their archives from the public did not suggest neighborliness to me at its onset. UCNeighbors may have evolved into just stimulating community discussion now and I say good. Its original premise as well as the continued disparagement of people on this listserv is the reason why I, in good conscious, cannot join them no matter how many nice people are subscribed there. My apologies for my viewpoint and shortcomings on this topic. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Civility
Thank you, Wilma. -- Tony West On 4/2/2010 12:01 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote: Tony, I promised myself I would not speak on this again, but at the risk of gainsaying my own principles I need to clarify things. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)
Maybe but I have said this a few times in the past—when UCNeighbors was first started, in fact—and it has not happened yet. F On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Brian Siano wrote: Frank, I'll make you a bet: that in the very near future, people on this list will take your I think he did it to avoid discussion of his book speculation, and treat it as a given fact. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Civility (Was: Re: Drug pushers in the NYTimes)
I remember that!! I think I called attention to the incident on the list after seeing it on Andrew's Malcolm X. Park blog and the Daily News. (Andrew later apologized for causing trouble.) Kyle may not have thought it was important enough to discuss but Fenton was eventually fired over it, so I suppose it wasn't so trivial. F PS. I *like* John Fenton and I'm sorry the whole thing happened. I hope he's satisfied and doing the neighborhood some good in his present position. On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:02 AM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: when kyle announced his new list on june 28 2007, it was also during a time when there was a lot of discussion on this list about the newspaper reports of the ucd scandal over john fenton. here's kyle discussing it on jun 27: You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Lost Dog Civility
Tony- Sometimes I really like you; sometimes you make me really like LBeam Frank a lot more and feel badly for Glenn. Not wanting to get maudlin or stroke out I'm going to walk my dogs, chase feral cats, and scare squirrels before going to a 3:00 PM Good Friday church service. While I don't want to feel badly for you, I will feel badly for Mole. If he is still lost, he is clearly at risk being so small and suitable for a training tool for some of the sicko's in the Hood. You may want to try reaching out to: _phillydogres...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:phillydogres...@yahoogroups.com) for help in finding your little dog buddy. My prayers are with you for finding Mole Craig
Re: [UC] Penn deserves credit, was Civility
Kyle said that both lists would be working for a short time which might or might not be over. I'm not sure how that would be accomplished but I'm not an IT professional. F On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:13 AM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: Glenn moyer wrote: PS. For those of you not subscribed to UCNeighbors, that listserv is now a Google Group and is no longer hosted by or affiliated with Penn. Thanks for this great news, Frank! The Penn administration deserves credit for kicking them out! does this link still work? should it be modified/removed? http://lists.asc.upenn.edu/mailman/listinfo/ucneighbors .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Penn deserves credit, was Civility
A notification was sent to members of the list. F On Apr 2, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Glenn moyer wrote: Frank, how did you discover that UCNeighbors was moved to google? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Civility
John has been working hard for the community on Councilwoman Blackwell's staff ever since. It was a pretty big deal at the time for those who were directly involved. -- Tony West I remember that!! I think I called attention to the incident on the list after seeing it on Andrew's Malcolm X. Park blog and the Daily News. (Andrew later apologized for causing trouble.) Kyle may not have thought it was important enough to discuss but Fenton was eventually fired over it, so I suppose it wasn't so trivial. F PS. I *like* John Fenton and I'm sorry the whole thing happened. I hope he's satisfied and doing the neighborhood some good in his present position. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Sad News For a Neighbor
Folks, The missing chihuahua Linda Le posted about earlier was Tony West's dog Mole, who sadly was struck by a car and killed. Regardless of differences of opinion those of us may have with Tony, he IS our neighbor and I wish to say publicly how sorry I was to learn about this and expresses my sympathies to him and his family. Anyone who has lost a cherished pet understands how terrible it is; especially so suddenly and unexpectedly. Tony West deserves our support during this difficult time. Sincerely, Wilma You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Sad News For a Neighbor
Sorry to hear this, Tony. You have my sympathy. F On Apr 2, 2010, at 03:21 PM, Wilma de Soto wrote: Folks, The missing chihuahua Linda Le posted about earlier was Tony West's dog Mole, who sadly was struck by a car and killed. Regardless of differences of opinion those of us may have with Tony, he IS our neighbor and I wish to say publicly how sorry I was to learn about this and expresses my sympathies to him and his family. Anyone who has lost a cherished pet understands how terrible it is; especially so suddenly and unexpectedly. Tony West deserves our support during this difficult time. Sincerely, Wilma You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Sad News For a Neighbor
Oh, Tony I am so sorry! Kimm On 4/2/10 3:21 PM, Wilma de Soto wil.p...@verizon.net wrote: Folks, The missing chihuahua Linda Le posted about earlier was Tony West's dog Mole, who sadly was struck by a car and killed. Regardless of differences of opinion those of us may have with Tony, he IS our neighbor and I wish to say publicly how sorry I was to learn about this and expresses my sympathies to him and his family. Anyone who has lost a cherished pet understands how terrible it is; especially so suddenly and unexpectedly. Tony West deserves our support during this difficult time. Sincerely, Wilma You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Sad News For a Neighbor
In a message dated 4/2/2010 15:21:45 Eastern Daylight Time, wil.p...@verizon.net writes: Regardless of differences of opinion those of us may have with Tony, he IS our neighbor and I wish to say publicly how sorry I was to learn about this and expresses my sympathies to him and his family. Anyone who has lost a cherished pet understands how terrible it is; especially so suddenly and unexpectedly. Tony West deserves our support during this difficult time. _ Thanks for going public Wilma. Tony had mentioned it to me off list and I felt uncomfortable sharing the death without his permission. For those of us who have had pets who died there is very often the sense, Had I done something differently my pet would still be here. There are many good people on Purple despite some eccentricities. I sent the below message to Tony after he shared the bad news with me, and yours and others' posts speak for the goodness of the community. Craig === In a message dated 4/2/2010 14:05:21 Eastern Daylight Time, anthony_w...@earthlink.net writes: She was run over by a car and killed __ I am sorry. I am so sorry for Mole and your family. If in time you should want another companion _phillydogres...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:phillydogres...@yahoogroups.com) handles placements of many good dogs in search of forever homes and fostering of dogs in transition. One nice thing about going public on Purple is you can share your loss with understanding neighbors and friends. Peace, Craig
Re: [UC] Sad News For a Neighbor
Craig, In retrospect I should have gotten Tony¹s permission to tell the listserv, but I was so taken aback by the news I didn¹t really stop to think. I do regard Tony as a neighbor and friend and I wanted people to know that as well as express my condolences. Maybe he¹s right; this IS a weird listserv but I hope in a positive way. Sincerely, Wilma On 4/2/10 5:06 PM, craigso...@aol.com craigso...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/2/2010 15:21:45 Eastern Daylight Time, wil.p...@verizon.net writes: Regardless of differences of opinion those of us may have with Tony, he IS our neighbor and I wish to say publicly how sorry I was to learn about this and expresses my sympathies to him and his family. Anyone who has lost a cherished pet understands how terrible it is; especially so suddenly and unexpectedly. Tony West deserves our support during this difficult time. _ Thanks for going public Wilma. Tony had mentioned it to me off list and I felt uncomfortable sharing the death without his permission. For those of us who have had pets who died there is very often the sense, Had I done something differently my pet would still be here. There are many good people on Purple despite some eccentricities. I sent the below message to Tony after he shared the bad news with me, and yours and others' posts speak for the goodness of the community. Craig === In a message dated 4/2/2010 14:05:21 Eastern Daylight Time, anthony_w...@earthlink.net writes: She was run over by a car and killed __ I am sorry. I am so sorry for Mole and your family. If in time you should want another companion phillydogres...@yahoogroups.com handles placements of many good dogs in search of forever homes and fostering of dogs in transition. One nice thing about going public on Purple is you can share your loss with understanding neighbors and friends. Peace, Craig
RE: [UC] Civility
Pease be with you as well Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:57:36 -0500 From: anthony_w...@earthlink.net To: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Civility So people who like to reread 3-year-old neighborhood quarrels can do so on Purple. That's true, I suppose. It is hard to imagine why any organization would care about these archives, though. Just because one finds something on the Web doesn't make it true, and it doesn't get truer the longer it sits around. Anyway, old rage and old anger aren't that important. It is Good Friday. Peace to everyone on this list, and all my neighbors. -- Tony West On 4/2/2010 9:02 AM, UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: when kyle announced his new list on june 28 2007, it was also during a time when there was a lot of discussion on this list about the newspaper reports of the ucd scandal over john fenton. here's kyle discussing it on jun 27: http://www.mail-archive.com/univcity@list.purple.com/msg18162.html these discussions were also tied to discussions about the scandal's negative impact on ucd and its proposed nid, which had been a long ongoing topic on this list and which kyle actively took part in. over the years, and even today, many discussions on this list reveal a lot of things that organizations (like shca, uchs, fopc, ucd) would, understandably, not like to be publicly available. that's the thing about this list: it has a publicly accessible archive. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
