[OT] Phishing prevention

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

This seems important enough to spread around:



I use both Firefox and Thunderbird and have reconfigured both.

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Re: Livecode Community 8.1.3 can't install

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

NVM sandboxing issue. Moved the the root of the C drive and all works as 
advertised. 

Bob S


> On Apr 14, 2017, at 10:56 , Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
> Anyone using LC Community 8.1.3? I am getting Cannot launch installer slave 
> when I attempt to install in in Windows. Mac worked fine. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 


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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Bob:
> As a result, we have no business talking about how much they
> should charge for licensing. I am up for renewal on the Indy
> license. I am not well to do. I am balking at the price right
> now. Still, I could use the non-comm version, but then I feel
> like I am not contributing, so I am torn betwixt the two.

To promote LiveCode to various people, I would also love to see a lower 
entry point on Indy or another closed source edition. Like you, I don't 
presume to know or wish to control how the business should be run or 
priced. But I've known and worked with enough people on smaller budgets 
to have no doubt that price point affects some of us, and people have 
very different situations and mindsets.


This has been discussed at great length before, the hobbyist and so on, 
and it's so true that for many people the free version does the job. 
Problem solved. For many others, having a business means their ducks are 
sufficiently in a row that $999 is a no-brainer price. Even better. And 
yes, it is an amazing price for all the technology and platforms included.


All true, and yet repeating these often enough can lead people to buy 
into the fallacy that this covers the entire range of interested 
LiveCode users. Unfortunately I happen to know that it doesn't. There 
are people who have their own reasons for wanting something more than 
free, but the current Indy price makes that a pretty big jump. Obviously 
wannabe iOS publishers on a shoestring is one group, although there are 
others I could name, including those with more proprietary ambition than 
cash in the short term.


It's not my place to judge or defend these people and their reasons, any 
more than LiveCode's decisions and their model. But I would still like 
to have those people onboard, so I would love to see anything to that 
end, such as an Indy special or perhaps another column in the price 
continuum of free, ___, 1K, 2K. Lagi's point about impulse buys was 
interesting too. So long as an edition reached those people I wouldn't 
really mind which method it would use.


In your own particular case, if the open source version sufficed, you 
could still voluntarily contribute a certain amount annually. But I 
would hate to see anyone leave the Indy edition, which is my own 
personal favorite!


No expectations of easy agreement, especially on this of all things. But 
there's value in planting a seed now and then and seeing what other 
people think too. The future will sort it all out. I've just burned 
through another budget rather quickly, my public communication time, so 
I'll duck back to work. I enjoyed the chat very much as always! Happy 
coding. :)


Best wishes,

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Livecode Community 8.1.3 can't install

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Anyone using LC Community 8.1.3? I am getting Cannot launch installer slave 
when I attempt to install in in Windows. Mac worked fine. 

Bob S



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resumeStack with selection tool?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hi all. 

I'm getting the resumeStack message sent even when I have the pointer tool 
selected. This wouldn't be an issue normally, except in a resumeStack handler I 
am sending selectionChanged to a datagrid, and I'm getting an error that the 
object doesn't exist. I then have to cancel the script, and now whichever 
object I had selected has moved a significant distance, often out of the bounds 
of the window, so that I have to set the loc of it to manipulate it again! Very 
odd. 

Should the resumeStack message even get sent with the pointer tool selected??

Bob S



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Re: mergEXT

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I worked that out by looking the URL up on my Mac: Thanks.

The Android tablet browser, however . . . .

This app only gives me the Blue-bot's MAC address and
something called "RAW DATA": 0x0201020809426C7565426F740303F0FF

Ultimately you did help me, but in an unexpected way insofar as your message
stimulated me to start fooling around with one of my Android devices, 
and I did find

something that looks very much like the robot's UUID with another app:

1101--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb

Whether that will be "enough" has yet to be seen.

Best, Richmond.


On 4/14/17 6:32 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:

My link was directly to the app I used, made by Bluepixel Technology LLP.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Great, except that the Goog Play Store lists 3 "BLE Scanner" apps . . . . .

When I typed the URL into the Android tablet's browser it said "webpage
unavailable".

 From one of these I got: Service ffe0  Characteristic ffe1.

 From the second: 88:1B:99:0D:70:C1. [Your one]

 From the third: Something about "Rssi", listing 3 devices and no UUID
details.

HOWEVER . . .

Something called 'BLE TOOL' gave me the 88 number  and then churned
for donkey's ages .

BLE Analyzer told me the 88... number is the robot's MAC address.

BLE Reader gave me the MAC Address.

Bluetooth Monitor listed classes: 7936, 7936, 1f00 and a very long
SerialPort Service
which may be a UUID (?): 1101--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb

nRF Toolbox for BLR seemed overly complex.

My tablet is now full of "Blehh" :)

Richmond.






On 4/14/17 4:59 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:


If you (or someone you know or work with) have an Android phone or tablet,
try this app.  It will scan for nearby bluetooth devices and provide a
plethora of info (including UUID) about the devices.  It even sees Monte's
"Hello World" broadcast from LiveCode when you open his MergBLE sample
stack.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is NOT

the "Blue-Bot": fine
distinction, but it makes all the difference.

Richmond.


On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:

I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will

point you in the right direction?

Phil Davis


On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find

an application
that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth
device . . .

Richmond.

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Re: iOS plist concern from Apple

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Randy,

Just adding the custom font file in the Copy Files will work, but you might
see a long delay on app startup. This is because iOS looks for the
PostScript name of the font. The "Font Mapping File" box is needed for
providing a mapping of the font name to its actual PostScript name (as
referenced from the Font Book).

See the release note of this feature for a better explanation :)

https://github.com/livecodesebastien/livecode/blob/6188ff2f980aa86e454bd16b5e87a6edb2bdea7a/docs/notes/feature-fontmap.md

Best,
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On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Panos. I hadn't seen that thread… but, another thought. Since
> I’ve included a font for the first time, I’ve been looking at that as a
> possible issue.
>
> I included the font in the app using the Copy Files pane of the Settings.
> Is there something I was supposed to reference in the “Font Mapping File”
> box of the iOS pane?
>
> be well,
> randy
>
> Randy Hengst
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>
> > On Apr 14, 2017, at 10:15 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Randy,
> >
> > See this thread:
> > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=49=153346#p153346
> >
> > This ("perBinaryResults") does not sound like a name for a plist key.
> >
> > Best,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I’ve just received an email from apple that indicated a plist problem:
> >> ”We are reaching out to you because we were unable to process your
> latest
> >> build uploads due to bad binaries. Specifically, your plists had an
> empty
> >> perBinaryResults key"
> >>
> >> When I open the plist from the build, I don’t see any key named
> >> “perBinaryResults.”
> >>
> >> The apps referenced in the email were approved (processed) without
> issue 5
> >> and 6 weeks ago. I have no idea what they message is referring to. As of
> >> right now, I don’t have any idea what to even ask apple… nor, how to fix
> >> the issue.
> >>
> >> My only “new” thing was to add a font … first time I’ve done so and I
> >> included the font with all of the apps listed in the email from apple.
> >>
> >> I didn’t make note as to whether I used LC 8.1.0 or 8.1.2 to build the
> app
> >> for submission.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any thoughts you can share.
> >>
> >> be well,
> >> randy
> >>
> >> Randy Hengst
> >> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> >>
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Re: mergEXT

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

My link was directly to the app I used, made by Bluepixel Technology LLP.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Great, except that the Goog Play Store lists 3 "BLE Scanner" apps . . . . .
>
> When I typed the URL into the Android tablet's browser it said "webpage
> unavailable".
>
> From one of these I got: Service ffe0  Characteristic ffe1.
>
> From the second: 88:1B:99:0D:70:C1. [Your one]
>
> From the third: Something about "Rssi", listing 3 devices and no UUID
> details.
>
> HOWEVER . . .
>
> Something called 'BLE TOOL' gave me the 88 number  and then churned
> for donkey's ages .
>
> BLE Analyzer told me the 88... number is the robot's MAC address.
>
> BLE Reader gave me the MAC Address.
>
> Bluetooth Monitor listed classes: 7936, 7936, 1f00 and a very long
> SerialPort Service
> which may be a UUID (?): 1101--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb
>
> nRF Toolbox for BLR seemed overly complex.
>
> My tablet is now full of "Blehh" :)
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/14/17 4:59 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> If you (or someone you know or work with) have an Android phone or tablet,
>> try this app.  It will scan for nearby bluetooth devices and provide a
>> plethora of info (including UUID) about the devices.  It even sees Monte's
>> "Hello World" broadcast from LiveCode when you open his MergBLE sample
>> stack.
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is NOT
>>> the "Blue-Bot": fine
>>> distinction, but it makes all the difference.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
>>> I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will
 point you in the right direction?

 Phil Davis


 On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:

 I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find
> an application
> that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth
> device . . .
>
> Richmond.
>
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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Keith Martin via use-livecode]

On 14 Apr 2017, at 13:49, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote:


The $500,000 limit on INDY is on an
honour system anyway - LC can't tell whether I made a million last 
week or

not.


An interesting point.

Personally, I prefer positive incentives for upgrading. Making someome 
think even for a second that they'll be 'penalised' for doing well and 
you lose your grip on their interest. This is a very jaundiced 
interpretation of that indy/business differentiation point, I know, but 
one has to put onesself into the shoes of potential customers who could 
easily get the wrong end of the stick.


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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

On 4/14/17 6:13 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:

I too am not well off, but in order to "help within my means" I am paying
for membership.  Its not much, but far better than 0.  The only thing I
want to find out now is where to get nightly builds from. (a perk of
membership, yet no info that I can locate on how to actually find them)


That would be nice.



On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


On Apr 14, 2017, at 05:49 , Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
wrote:


The Differentiation of INDY with Business can stay should be SQLITE for
INDY or at least for any future Mobile only versions. The price hike
probably wouldn't make this sustainable) and BUSINESS allows say Oracle,


We have no frame of reference for what it takes to run the company in
terms of financing. Not very many of us have an idea of how many PAYING
developers are in their base either. As a result, we have no business
talking about how much they should charge for licensing. I am up for
renewal on the Indy license. I am not well to do. I am balking at the price
right now. Still, I could use the non-comm version, but then I feel like I
am not contributing, so I am torn betwixt the two.

I will probably re-up just because I would like to go to V9 in the future.
Lots of good things there.

Bob S
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Re: iOS plist concern from Apple

[Randy Hengst via use-livecode]

Thank you, Panos. I hadn't seen that thread… but, another thought. Since I’ve 
included a font for the first time, I’ve been looking at that as a possible 
issue. 

I included the font in the app using the Copy Files pane of the Settings. Is 
there something I was supposed to reference in the “Font Mapping File” box of 
the iOS pane?

be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com

> On Apr 14, 2017, at 10:15 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Randy,
> 
> See this thread:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=49=153346#p153346
> 
> This ("perBinaryResults") does not sound like a name for a plist key.
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I’ve just received an email from apple that indicated a plist problem:
>> ”We are reaching out to you because we were unable to process your latest
>> build uploads due to bad binaries. Specifically, your plists had an empty
>> perBinaryResults key"
>> 
>> When I open the plist from the build, I don’t see any key named
>> “perBinaryResults.”
>> 
>> The apps referenced in the email were approved (processed) without issue 5
>> and 6 weeks ago. I have no idea what they message is referring to. As of
>> right now, I don’t have any idea what to even ask apple… nor, how to fix
>> the issue.
>> 
>> My only “new” thing was to add a font … first time I’ve done so and I
>> included the font with all of the apps listed in the email from apple.
>> 
>> I didn’t make note as to whether I used LC 8.1.0 or 8.1.2 to build the app
>> for submission.
>> 
>> Thanks for any thoughts you can share.
>> 
>> be well,
>> randy
>> 
>> Randy Hengst
>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>> 
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Re: mergEXT

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Great, except that the Goog Play Store lists 3 "BLE Scanner" apps . . . . .

When I typed the URL into the Android tablet's browser it said "webpage 
unavailable".


From one of these I got: Service ffe0  Characteristic ffe1.

From the second: 88:1B:99:0D:70:C1. [Your one]

From the third: Something about "Rssi", listing 3 devices and no UUID 
details.


HOWEVER . . .

Something called 'BLE TOOL' gave me the 88 number  and then churned 
for donkey's ages .


BLE Analyzer told me the 88... number is the robot's MAC address.

BLE Reader gave me the MAC Address.

Bluetooth Monitor listed classes: 7936, 7936, 1f00 and a very long 
SerialPort Service

which may be a UUID (?): 1101--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb

nRF Toolbox for BLR seemed overly complex.

My tablet is now full of "Blehh" :)

Richmond.





On 4/14/17 4:59 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote:

If you (or someone you know or work with) have an Android phone or tablet,
try this app.  It will scan for nearby bluetooth devices and provide a
plethora of info (including UUID) about the devices.  It even sees Monte's
"Hello World" broadcast from LiveCode when you open his MergBLE sample
stack.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is NOT
the "Blue-Bot": fine
distinction, but it makes all the difference.

Richmond.


On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:


I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will
point you in the right direction?

Phil Davis


On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:


I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find
an application
that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth
device . . .

Richmond.

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Re: Browser widget on linux

[hh via use-livecode]

Hi all.

Panos linked to the following bug report (it is more a discussion):

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16848

The final 'workaround' there by Max Vessi solves several issues on linux.
The property inspector, the script editor, the dictionary and the browser widget
work correcly with that (I tried latest LTS of Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Lubuntu/Mint and
Debian and Fedora).

The trick is to launch LC by a shell script (here if LC Indy 8.1.3 is installed
'for this user only'):

#! /bin/bash
export LC_ALL= LC_NUMERIC=C 
export LIBGL_DRI3_DISABLE=1
"/home//.runrev/components/livecodeindy-8.1.3.x86/LiveCode\ Indy.x86"

** Thanks Max for elaborating this shell-script! **

I used the long path for the home because some desktop environments crash when
using tilde instead.

A utility stack for using this together with a ".desktop"-file is available in
the forum, so that one can launch after that LC "as usual":

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=153351#p153351

It is there also described in detail for all of you who don't use linux as the
main OS, like me (but I switched already a main dev-machine to Mint-Cinnamon) 
and
prefer to do things 'manually'.

Why all the big fuss about that?

Just try "LC ImageToolBox89: Basics v103" (use livecodeshare or 'Sample 
stacks').
If you have a decent graphic card, you'll see an image processing speed that is,
compared to LC Script, _extremely_ fast. It handles images of screensize in less
than one second. This is also true for convolution kernels of size up to 7x7 and
color matrices. The latter is nearly finished and I'll make it soon available.

This shows from my view the biggest progress we could make with image processing
in LC in the last years. And LC 8/9 works fine with it, on Mac/ Win/ linux!!

Once again thanks to Jonathan Lynch for hinting to this application possibility 
of
the browser widget by his affine transform examples (see livecodeshare or 
'Sample
stacks').
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Re: iOS plist concern from Apple

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi Randy,

See this thread:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=49=153346#p153346

This ("perBinaryResults") does not sound like a name for a plist key.

Best,
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On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
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> Hi All,
>
> I’ve just received an email from apple that indicated a plist problem:
> ”We are reaching out to you because we were unable to process your latest
> build uploads due to bad binaries. Specifically, your plists had an empty
> perBinaryResults key"
>
> When I open the plist from the build, I don’t see any key named
> “perBinaryResults.”
>
> The apps referenced in the email were approved (processed) without issue 5
> and 6 weeks ago. I have no idea what they message is referring to. As of
> right now, I don’t have any idea what to even ask apple… nor, how to fix
> the issue.
>
> My only “new” thing was to add a font … first time I’ve done so and I
> included the font with all of the apps listed in the email from apple.
>
> I didn’t make note as to whether I used LC 8.1.0 or 8.1.2 to build the app
> for submission.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts you can share.
>
> be well,
> randy
>
> Randy Hengst
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Mike Bonner via use-livecode]

I too am not well off, but in order to "help within my means" I am paying
for membership.  Its not much, but far better than 0.  The only thing I
want to find out now is where to get nightly builds from. (a perk of
membership, yet no info that I can locate on how to actually find them)

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> On Apr 14, 2017, at 05:49 , Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
> The Differentiation of INDY with Business can stay should be SQLITE for
> INDY or at least for any future Mobile only versions. The price hike
> probably wouldn't make this sustainable) and BUSINESS allows say Oracle,
> 
>
> We have no frame of reference for what it takes to run the company in
> terms of financing. Not very many of us have an idea of how many PAYING
> developers are in their base either. As a result, we have no business
> talking about how much they should charge for licensing. I am up for
> renewal on the Indy license. I am not well to do. I am balking at the price
> right now. Still, I could use the non-comm version, but then I feel like I
> am not contributing, so I am torn betwixt the two.
>
> I will probably re-up just because I would like to go to V9 in the future.
> Lots of good things there.
>
> Bob S
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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

On Apr 14, 2017, at 05:49 , Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
> wrote:


The Differentiation of INDY with Business can stay should be SQLITE for
INDY or at least for any future Mobile only versions. The price hike
probably wouldn't make this sustainable) and BUSINESS allows say Oracle,


We have no frame of reference for what it takes to run the company in terms of 
financing. Not very many of us have an idea of how many PAYING developers are 
in their base either. As a result, we have no business talking about how much 
they should charge for licensing. I am up for renewal on the Indy license. I am 
not well to do. I am balking at the price right now. Still, I could use the 
non-comm version, but then I feel like I am not contributing, so I am torn 
betwixt the two.

I will probably re-up just because I would like to go to V9 in the future. Lots 
of good things there.

Bob S
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Midi in LC on Windows and Mac

[tbodine via use-livecode]

Hi all.

I'm looking for a Win/Mac method of sending and receiving midi key notes in
Livecode without Quicktime. (I asked Thierry about this but his sunnYmidi
external is Mac only.)

Suggestions?

Thanks,
Tom B.
 



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iOS plist concern from Apple

[Randy Hengst via use-livecode]

Hi All,

I’ve just received an email from apple that indicated a plist problem:
”We are reaching out to you because we were unable to process your latest build 
uploads due to bad binaries. Specifically, your plists had an empty 
perBinaryResults key"

When I open the plist from the build, I don’t see any key named 
“perBinaryResults.” 

The apps referenced in the email were approved (processed) without issue 5 and 
6 weeks ago. I have no idea what they message is referring to. As of right now, 
I don’t have any idea what to even ask apple… nor, how to fix the issue.

My only “new” thing was to add a font … first time I’ve done so and I included 
the font with all of the apps listed in the email from apple.

I didn’t make note as to whether I used LC 8.1.0 or 8.1.2 to build the app for 
submission.

Thanks for any thoughts you can share.

be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com

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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

+1

On 4/14/17 11:51 am, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote:

Of course we listen. We read what comes in here and on many other venues.
We just don¹t always agree or have time to respond on every point. As far
as the marketing goes, as with all these things we will test different
approaches over time.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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On 14/04/2017, 09:45, "use-livecode on behalf of Curry Kenworthy via
use-livecode"  wrote:


My interest is primarily for the .com site, and I'm comfortable sharing
my opinion. Of course they have every right to their own decision too
and I have the deepest respect for that. In my experience LiveCode is a
company that does listen over time, so it's always interesting to have a
discussion, whatever the venue and final result, always in a friendly
spirit.



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Re: mergEXT

[Roger Eller via use-livecode]

If you (or someone you know or work with) have an Android phone or tablet,
try this app.  It will scan for nearby bluetooth devices and provide a
plethora of info (including UUID) about the devices.  It even sees Monte's
"Hello World" broadcast from LiveCode when you open his MergBLE sample
stack.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macdom.ble.blescanner

~Roger


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> I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is NOT
> the "Blue-Bot": fine
> distinction, but it makes all the difference.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will
>> point you in the right direction?
>>
>> Phil Davis
>>
>>
>> On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot find
>>> an application
>>> that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth
>>> device . . .
>>>
>>> Richmond.
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Re: Color Conversion - RGB to HSV and back... (almost)

[Michael Doub via use-livecode]

Al,  I wrote some color conversion routines a long time ago. They are in 
the MasterLibrary:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wpwn3hfbmpl7sk/MasterLibrary.livecode?dl=0

I cant comment on their ability to not loose precision on a round trip.

-= Mike


On 4/13/17 6:14 PM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode wrote:

Hi All,

Download this GUI Stack for Scott Raney's Color Conversion Functions:
RGB to HSV and HSV to RGB from this forum post:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10=29127

Only for certain colors this is a lossy conversion: Once you convert some
RGB colors to HSV, the function HSVtoRGB does not convert them back
exactly as they were before.

Does anyone knows or have created a pair of RGB/HSV color conversion
functions that do not lose (or change) color information?

Thanks in advance!

Al
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New blogpost - Implement audio recording on Android in LiveCode 9.0 DP-6

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hi all,

In case you missed it, here is a great blogpost by Ali on how to implement
audio recording on Android using the new Java FFI capabilities in the
latest DP of LiveCode 9.

https://livecode.com/android-audio-recording-library-using-java-ffi/

Enjoy :)

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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

HI

I'm presuming (presumptuous moi?) that my bit about the company not
listening elicited what I wanted - somebody from LC to pipe in - the fact
that was Kevin was a bonus.

So let me say here and now I LOVE LC and the more I use LC the more I like
it BUT.. I will be honest,  if I found the site today I wouldn't give it
any time at all - seriously!!

It was mentioned in a  FOXPRO forum and the OP was rounded on by one of the
Fox Gurus for 1 thing actually - that the INDY license put a limit on what
they could earn
(don't mention the fact that  it runs out yearly!).

Let me state what I stated on MANY occasions.


The Differentiation of INDY with Business can stay should be SQLITE for
INDY or at least for any future Mobile only versions. The price hike
probably wouldn't make this sustainable) and BUSINESS allows say Oracle,
SQL server databases and maybe  some of the other stuff that they have now
(although Andre  Garcia and many others would disagree). The main
Differentiation should be the support. The $500,000 limit on INDY is on an
honour system anyway - LC can't tell whether I made a million last week or
not. This is what I can't understand.I for one if I was on INDY (I'm on
business now but they made me an offer I couldn't refuse and am still only
using 6.7.11) and was earning not even close to $500,000 why wouldn't I
upgrade to the next level if only to help the Tool that is bringing in the
bread and butter.

Related to the above is  the fact that the entry level $100 hobbyist market
 has all but been  eviscerated  because you cannot use Community to create
IOS apps for the APP store is totally  illogical to me.

XOJO has the $100 ish single OS versions (that do not run out),  but you
don't get updates after a year. That to me is real world thinking. If I
have an APP on the APP store and it is moderately successful - at least
returns a few hundred dollars and XCODE is updated so that my version of LC
needs to be updated , why wouldn't I update it? If it isn't successful I
wouldn't have paid for it anyway.

The point being they are losing the impulse purchases of $100 here ,
hundreds dollars their - I have purchased B4A (all versions for the last 6
years) and have never written anything to sell but I have played with it
because $250 for 2 years including the MAC cloud compilation to me is a
steal - I have a MAC but I might want to compile on my PC. I have XOJO - I
only used it to write something that was problematic within LC and got them
to talk - again no-brainer cost. The most expensive development systems I
ever paid for was Clipper Summer 84 - £795 (ALPHA5 as well but that's
another story) when that was real money - It was not protected in any way
and I was given a copy on a couple of disks, but I bought it when a
programmer friend convinced me it wasn't the CR*P that DBASE was - because
it was the right thing to do. If I didn't have the money at the time. I
would have purchased after I had made some money with it - again you either
have that attitude or you don't. Some people will be so honourable that
they would't even think about using it without paying there and then - i'm
a little more pragmatic.

What I'm saying is give the $100 entry system for single platforms a try
again - the longer you leave it the more chance the XOJO's of this world
will catch up.

Make sure the yearly upgrade gives them a discount on the full price and
you have your "sort of lockin" that you are trying to do now - many
companies do it this way (XOJO and B4a are 2 I can mention ) - and I keep
upgrading.



There are more ideas/thoughts but I have work to finish off - no rest for
the really wicked.

Kindest Regards Lagi

As usual excuse any smelling Pistakes


On 14 April 2017 at 10:48, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
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>
> Kevin:
> > Of course we listen. We read what comes in here and on many
> > other venues.
>
> Wow, that post was the perfect confirmation of my thoughts - I knew for
> certain that LiveCode was listening as I said, that always has been the
> case in my experience, and I had a feeling you were too!
>
> I've been absolutely clear in making this an open suggestion and frank
> observation, not demanding a response or expecting any kind of agreement.
> But receiving a response is a nice bonus, thanks for speaking up so quickly.
>
> I'm in the same boat; unfortunately I often don't have time to speak up on
> these trends that come and go, but now and then I make time on one or two,
> and it's great to hear from fellow users and CEO alike. I place enough
> importance on downloads that this was one of those times, and whatever the
> outcome I'm glad I said my piece. :)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curry Kenworthy
>
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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Kevin:
> Of course we listen. We read what comes in here and on many
> other venues.

Wow, that post was the perfect confirmation of my thoughts - I knew for 
certain that LiveCode was listening as I said, that always has been the 
case in my experience, and I had a feeling you were too!


I've been absolutely clear in making this an open suggestion and frank 
observation, not demanding a response or expecting any kind of 
agreement. But receiving a response is a nice bonus, thanks for speaking 
up so quickly.


I'm in the same boat; unfortunately I often don't have time to speak up 
on these trends that come and go, but now and then I make time on one or 
two, and it's great to hear from fellow users and CEO alike. I place 
enough importance on downloads that this was one of those times, and 
whatever the outcome I'm glad I said my piece. :)


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode]

I feel that livecode needs a suite of adaptable commercial software, so that 
people become aware of LC through using that software, in much the same way 
people became aware of VBA through using MS Word.

They need SOME way to get email addresses from prospective customers.

I do agree the direct download link should be more findable.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2017, at 4:51 AM, Kevin Miller via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Of course we listen. We read what comes in here and on many other venues.
> We just don¹t always agree or have time to respond on every point. As far
> as the marketing goes, as with all these things we will test different
> approaches over time.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/04/2017, 09:45, "use-livecode on behalf of Curry Kenworthy via
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> My interest is primarily for the .com site, and I'm comfortable sharing
>> my opinion. Of course they have every right to their own decision too
>> and I have the deepest respect for that. In my experience LiveCode is a
>> company that does listen over time, so it's always interesting to have a
>> discussion, whatever the venue and final result, always in a friendly
>> spirit.
> 
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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Kevin Miller via use-livecode]

Of course we listen. We read what comes in here and on many other venues.
We just don¹t always agree or have time to respond on every point. As far
as the marketing goes, as with all these things we will test different
approaches over time.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps




On 14/04/2017, 09:45, "use-livecode on behalf of Curry Kenworthy via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>My interest is primarily for the .com site, and I'm comfortable sharing
>my opinion. Of course they have every right to their own decision too
>and I have the deepest respect for that. In my experience LiveCode is a
>company that does listen over time, so it's always interesting to have a
>discussion, whatever the venue and final result, always in a friendly
>spirit.



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Re: Downloads - Immodest Proposal

[Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode]

Richard:
> How they handle email address harvesting at the .com site for
> the proprietary edition is, literally, their business.

My interest is primarily for the .com site, and I'm comfortable sharing 
my opinion. Of course they have every right to their own decision too 
and I have the deepest respect for that. In my experience LiveCode is a 
company that does listen over time, so it's always interesting to have a 
discussion, whatever the venue and final result, always in a friendly 
spirit. That's a nice distinction you have to make a direct contact only 
to the company about .com matters, but I didn't feel that way on this 
particular topic, plus I can learn in the process and see what a few 
other users think too!


While discussing this I should have added that I still LOVE the full 
downloads page at downloads.livecode.com and even made a video about it 
a while back. It could be an overwhelming page for non-geeks on their 
very first day, but it's just right for many initiated users, even when 
they are still fairly new to the LC world. Hope it will never go away. A 
dynamic link at the top could help people quickly access the most 
relevant version or two for their own platform, and there could be other 
tweaks but I like the concept pretty much as it is.


One more observation is that I do see other companies requiring a signup 
too, but interestingly enough the word "Download" is still sometimes 
prominent in their signup mechanism! It's a nice call to action and can 
be paired with other phrases to cover all the bases. Personally I like 
to see a download at the beginning, that's me, but I had to chuckle 
seeing how it's possible to have it both ways, with "Download" leading 
to a sign up. And of course it's very true, people are signing up with 
the goal of accessing those downloads. Pretty good approach.


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

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Re: mergEXT

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

I end up with a lot of links to something called a "bluebot" which is 
NOT the "Blue-Bot": fine

distinction, but it makes all the difference.

Richmond.

On 4/14/17 3:03 am, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
I just Googled "Blue-Bot uuid"  maybe one of the Github links will 
point you in the right direction?


Phil Davis


On 4/13/17 9:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
I've just spend a fair time poking around the internet and cannot 
find an application
that can give me the UUID numbers associated with a paired Bluetooth 
device . . .


Richmond.

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