Re: disabled buttons still receive events, they just process them, later?

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Oh man yes Jacque and Mike! I do feel old, about the same for me, about late 
87… grad school at Berkeley, humpback whales, and carrying Macs in big 
backpacks. Later MetaCard saved the day! 

Fun memories,

Jeff

> On Feb 22, 2024, at 1:51 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Exactly 37 years. I remember because I started learning HC when my son was
> born in order to take my mind off diapers. If I remember, we can commiserate .
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com


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Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Stephen,

Thanks for that. Monks with macs, that was so cool in those early mac days. 
Nice little story and nice to finally see a picture of him!

Very nice story of no fear about mixing technology with their agriculture to 
make it better and the sharing of knowledge being central and participation in 
testing was good as it helped each iteration improve. All wonderful thoughts 
for the world and putting them in practice.

Jeff

> 
> On Dec 29, 2022, at 12:01 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> I still have the first copy of MacUser magazine, and right there was an ad
> titled "Monks with Macs" and swami was right there.
> I'm searching for that photo, in the meantime here's a more recent short
> article about Swami:
> 
> https://blog.autogrow.com/the-monks-the-monastery-and-the-macbook-pro


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Sorry for the extra reply text

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Very sorry for copying all the digest text there in my last post, I thought I 
had deleted it all. Apologies, I know better than to do that!

Jeff

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Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Very sorry to hear about this. His enthusiasm over many years on this list was 
wonderful (I seem to remember he may have been around all the way back in the 
MetaCard days) and his positive attitude to challenges was a great example as 
so many let their frustrations with a challenge turn to anger in these 
situations. I only corresponded with him a couple of times on some coding 
detail that he or I was working out. He was always generous to respond and very 
good natured about it all. It was always wonderful to imagine his monastery in 
Hawaii with a bunch of monks working away on their computers in a beautiful 
setting.

I will miss him, but he is the kind of person that leaves some good bits of him 
with whoever crossed his path.

Jeffrey Reynolds


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>   1. Sad news about Brahmanathaswami (Andre Garzia)
>   2. Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami (Ralf Bitter)
>   3. Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami (Richmond)
>   4. Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami (harri...@all-auctions.com)
>   5. Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami (Sean Cole)
>   6. Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami (J. Landman Gay)
>   7. Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami (Drs Mark Schonewille)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2022 17:00:21 +
> From: Andre Garzia 
> To: How to use LiveCode 
> Subject: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami
> Message-ID: <30409775-7f65-4030-9139-4d35ba08e...@andregarzia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
> 
> Dear LiveCoders,
> 
> Many of you here remember Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami (some of you met him as 
> Sannyasin Sivakatirswami many years ago). Swami has always been a champion 
> for LiveCode and together with other other monks in Kaua?i Hindu Monastery 
> built what is probably the largest LiveCode-backed website available on the 
> net. He?s been a constant fixture here on the list for many years and many 
> here been at some time or another worked with him on various projects. I?m 
> sad to say that Brahmanathaswami passed away this week on Hawaii. His life 
> has been full of joy among his beloved monks in a paradise Island full of 
> love and sunshine. 
> 
> I?ve worked with him there on and off for the best part of maybe 18 years 
> (we?re not exactly sure when I started), he?s been a great friend and 
> together we built many wondrous things with LiveCode. I?ll forever cherish 
> those years, and I hope you all remember him fondly today as well.
> 
> Kind regards
> Andre
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2022 19:26:30 +0100
> From: Ralf Bitter 
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Sad news about Brahmanathaswami
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> I am very sorry to read this. We had worked together
> on and off for almost 10 years.
> I never met him in person, but I think I can say that
> we got along well.
> 
> Brahmanathaswami, wherever you are, I will keep you
> in my memory.
> 
> 
> Ralf
> 
> 
>> On 25.12.2022 18:00, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote:
>> Dear LiveCoders,
>> 
>> Many of you here remember Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami (some of you met him as 
>> Sannyasin Sivakatirswami many years ago). Swami has always been a champion 
>> for LiveCode and together with other other monks in Kaua?i Hindu Monastery 
>> built what is probably the largest LiveCode-backed website available on the 
>> net. He?s been a constant fixture here on the list for many years and many 
>> here been at some time or another worked with him on various projects. I?m 
>> sad to say that Brahmanathaswami passed away this week on Hawaii. His life 
>> has been full of joy among his beloved monks in a paradise Island full of 
>> love and sunshine.
>> 
>> I?ve worked with him there on and off for the best part of maybe 18 years 
>> (we?re not exactly sure when I started), he?s been a great friend and 
>> together we built many wondrous things with LiveCode. I?ll forever cherish 
>> those years, and I hope you all remember him fondly today as well.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Andre
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Reviving CD-ROM material [was: Re: Livecode and interactive video]

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Richmond,

And I’ll be right there with Richard.

Just because it’s not being supported does not remove copyrights. You know 
that’s a stupid argument. Maybe fine with your own morals but it’s not how 
copyright works. As a content creator for over 4 decades of my professional 
life I really hate that attitude of self justification. Fine for your own use 
but if you want to redistribute it then get the rights. Not for profit label 
has nothing to do with the rights involved.

I have experience working in and with media companies and licensing others’ 
materials and having others licensing ours. We were told all the time by 
management and legal to not respond to requests to license unless management 
was interested in the proposal and they would handle that. I thought it pretty 
strange that a denial letter could cause any issues and may have just been 
paranoia or don’t waste your time but those were the instructions. 

Getting an odd bob out out of relicensing an old project involves figuring out 
who you are getting in bed with and if you even want to get into bed with them 
in the first place, time to come to an agreement, research out the original 
projects licensing (media projects are rife with licensed media that at times 
are not transferable or require additional permission and/or payments), create 
and agree on a contract, deliver the goods, then make sure everything is being 
done as contracted. That’s not simple and all the steps cost time and money and 
usually folks are not willing to pay much for the rights to cover these costs, 
let alone a profit.

I’ve done this process a couple of times with old projects and it was way more 
work than I thought it would be and that was with a very good relationship with 
the rights holder (I built the original product for them) and in good rights 
situations. One was easy and owner was happy with a handshake on the deal until 
I had a product to sell and then we would pen a contract. I totally trusted him 
he would honor the handshake (and I’m still absolutely sure he would have, very 
good chap), but a year and a half later he ended up having to sell the rights, 
so our handshake of course was no longer good. He was transparent about all 
this and I just did the hand shake as it would have been a good chunk of change 
with lawyer to pen the rights contract and I didn’t have a publisher onboard 
yet. So even in the best of situations things can go sideways on these kinds of 
things and life is not as simple as you think it is Richmond.

I was approached by an old employer about resurrecting an old commercial cdrom 
project. I knew the rights had changed hands a couple of times, so my first 
question was who has the rights now and have you secured them? His response was 
well it’s abandoned and one of the publishers that were distributing the 
product to the education market (that wanted to partner with him on this deal) 
thought they could do it under their publishing agreement. Again I questioned 
did they have a full rights deal or just a publishing contract (I knew from the 
original days on the project we had very specific publishing contracts with 
different channels like Apple, media distributor and some educational 
publishers and they were rabid about retaining the work’s rights). Response was 
they feel confident they could stretch it legally. He then tried to say well we 
could construe this to be in then public domain as most paid for with 
public/private partnership money from NSF and EPA grants. I had to laugh in his 
face as they had made sure that even with this public money the company had 
complete rights to everything. I said I’d be happy to talk to him (and spend my 
own time) about it once he can put through the lawyers. He did and planning 
abruptly stopped.

The real killer usually is that media licensed in the original work was not 
contracted for sub licensing, transfer, or reuse or requires new payments. 
Sounds like something most would plan for to allow better life for their 
products, but I was amazed how many times this was not done or, at times, even 
thought of.

Sorry I’ve been around this tree too many times.

Jeff

> On Jan 23, 2022, at 12:02 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> I wrote to them twice and they never bothered to reply
> 
> they did not "essentially" ignore me: they IGNORED me. This is nonsense 
> as, presumably, there is no obvious way
> they can make the odd bob out of ancient CD-ROMS; and if they had a bit 
> of nous they might realise that they could
> climb into bed with you to mutual advantage . . .
> 
> so I would merrily chant my favourite mantra:
> 
> "abandonware, abandonware"? and make sure that anything I did with media 
> ripped off from those
> 
> CDs was splattered with disclaimers and released on a not-for-profit basis.
> 
> Richard Gaskin will probably now come after me with the castrating 
> irons.?


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Re: Reviving CD-ROM material [was: Re: Livecode and interactive video]

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Graham,

Having created a bunch of commercial interactive cdroms back in those days of 
early commercial interactivity, I can say they can be a challenge to mine all 
the necessary content from them and determine the whole flow chart of content 
and interactivity. I did this a few times on my own projects in the late days 
of cdroms and beginning of the web. It was a job to suck all the content out of 
the encyclopedia and put it into a set of meta files to get sucked into the 
online system along with providing files that detailed how it all fit together. 
An I had created the original cdrom and done it in a very template cms way. It 
took a few weeks to do and this was probably the simplest port that could ever 
be done due to the content and how I had built the original cdrom and me 
sucking it out only a few years later. And this was for the encyclopedia part 
of the disc that was pretty basic article with attached media, glossary and 
links between articles. When we looked at doing this for the very interactive 
parts (lots of kids being able to plot various data sets in various ways for 
them to both see the environmental data itself but also get into analyzing it 
by plotting various things against each other) it got swiftly daunting to 
extract and document the interactivity completely. Luckily the online education 
company determined it was past what was feasible to do online at the time so 
they let that part drop. 

I had the same experience extracting very interactive exhibits from dual 
laserdisc systems (in the day the only way to get seamless interactive video 
was to have two laserdiscs and switch between the two and carefully place your 
videos on the two discs) to QuickTime and it was a big job to again extract all 
the content (mostly videos) and document the interactivity. Again I had built 
the original and was pretty good about file keeping and documentation. Again 
doable but it was a good pile of work for me and I knew it well having built it.

I’ve looked at migrating some of the educational cdroms we did a decade or so 
ago that went along with beginning reader story books, but the amount of work, 
even though done in revolution was just a bit too much for any return it would 
give other than just doing it. I may still do it some day as the rights owner 
would probably be fine with it as a freeware presentation online.

Suffice it to say it is possible, just how hard it will be to extract the 
content from the disc you have is a very hard question to answer. Livecode is 
so much more powerful today that it’s not a question of programming, it’s 
getting all the interaction figured out and content out of the system. I can 
tell you with that huge encyclopedia project (it was $2.7M project in mid 90s) 
the Mac and PC versions were programmed separately (cross platform systems were 
not quite there yet for the project) with Mac in HyperCard and pc in Visual 
Basic. I wrote the Mac version and made HyperCard a shell that was a cms system 
that would just pull in and article text file and it had a related data file 
that called out all the links, attached media, and such, so the content is all 
sitting there in folders that are easy to access and with a little sleuthing 
you could figure out the data structure probably. But much of the interface 
graphics and interaction on controls were all buried in HyperCard (mostly as 
resources). On the PC side they had two hard core Visual Basic programmers that 
attacked the problem like it was some moon launch (they spent 5x more even 
though behind the Mac version on production as were handed totally clean and 
debugged content from the Mac version to suck in, yet they still had 4x more 
bug sheets than the Mac version, go figure). They had all the data in a big 
access database that got very cumbersome as it went along. They tried to make 
access do too much and it ended up being a real issue and they almost went to 
coding their own database. But all the interface graphics were just a folder of 
files put together then in vb. So on the pc version the content would be 
totally inaccessible (yes that’s a pun we used a lot around access), but on the 
Mac side totally accessible as easily used rtf files.

We had about 5 hardcore programmers at the media company and I know each 
project many times got build in very different ways due to differences in needs 
and the evolving tools. I know I would be hard pressed to crack open their 
projects and extract everything not having been part of building it or the tool 
potentially to try to get in through an editor.

In the last couple of decades every few years one of the owners (or subsequent 
owner) of old cdroms I developed has approached me with the idea or 
resurrecting them in a new fashion. I’ve run the numbers and tried to assess 
how hard it will be and even doing this at educational rates (bottom of the pay 
tier, but that’s been a lot of my professional life) it just hasn’t  panned out 
as 

Re: OT: Facebook -> Meta (Damaged Infinity!)

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

I think this needs to be a contest…

> MarkW wrote:
> From a Boingboing user comment...
> 
> META: Making Evil Totally Acceptable

Jeff

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Re: Mudslinging and consequences - a change to our policy

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Excellent Martin! My new view on infinity.

Reminds me of a joke the list may appreciate to clean off the mud.

Lady is found dead in the shower and is surrounded by dozens of empty shampoo 
bottles. Two detectives show up and the first one says “well this is certainly 
a very odd case”. The second detective replies “well no it’s pertly simple, the 
lady was a programmer”. The first detective says “how the can you say she’s a 
programmer with this evidence?”. The second detective says “It’s elementary, 
read the shampoo bottle instructions, Lather, Rinse, Repeat!” 

Sorry that stupid joke from like 40+ years ago goes thru my head every time I 
write a repeat loop or contemplate infinity…

Jeff

> On Oct 28, 2021, at 9:25 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Here is what I do
> Rotate your keyboard 90 degrees
> Press the 8 key
> Rotate yours monitor 90 degrees
> Repeat
> It took me forever to figure that out. 
> 
> Martin Koob


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Re: Mud slinging versus genuine criticism

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

My thoughts as well Jacqueline!

cheers,

Jeff



> On Oct 26, 2021, at 8:08 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Thank you for this, you spoke my thoughts.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
> 
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
> 
> On October 25, 2021 8:34:04 AM "e.beugelaar--- via use-livecode" 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> What has it for purpose to bully a company with high educated compassioned 
>> people, maybe also fighting to survive, to critisize?
>> 
>> Most of us, cross me when I am wrong, have already a closed license.
>> 
>> Some of us had paid a lot, some less.
>> 
>> Its life.
>> 
>> Kevin, Mark, Heather and all members, Xmas is coming, all wishes in this 
>> hard times to come.

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Re: [OT] Personal project

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Kevin,

Kudos, many kudos to you. I’ve dealt with many friends and family members with 
depression over the years and it is nice to see a lot of what I’ve tried with 
them in your videos.

Jeff

> On Oct 24, 2019, at 12:01 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> This


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Re: Where LiveCode is Now

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

LC team,

I too so appreciate all the work the LC team has done over the years and 
continues to do. I’ve used probably a dozen different commercial coding systems 
over the decades and LC thru all it’s incarnations back to good old MetaCard 
with Scott was the one that provided the needed options, stability and power to 
get my multimedia exhibit and education projects done. It’s allowed me to be 
both designer and developer on projects that has created synergy that has made 
all the projects come out better. I know the limits of the system and when it’s 
worth trying to bleed some as it gets you something great and when it’s just 
not worth it and usually another design approach ends up working better. When 
I’ve had to work on projects that I couldn’t develop (complexity, timeline, 
feature needs) and be done in something like C it took way more resources and 
time and although I had really great programmers and I understood all the 
basics of what they were doing things could still get lost in translation and 
some things just turn into a quagmire.

There will always be bugs, feature not there yet, etc in any development system 
and we each have a very different set of needs and wants and the LC team can’t 
make us all perfectly happy at once, nor consistently. They are the ones on the 
front lines trying to make this a profitable business for them (they need to 
feed their families and they are not our serfs) and make decisions on what the 
priorities need to be. We can of course lobby for what we think our priorities 
are (and therefore LC’s), but that doesn’t make it so. 

Many of us have based a lot of our livelihood on LC which is always a risk, but 
many times completely necessary. Yes I could do my projects more safely in C 
but I would be very poor as the time needed would suck out any profit at all. 
It’s always a tradeoff and one that needs constant assessment and not trying to 
push a development system to the limits as then you are in very dangerous 
territory — payoffs can be huge but crashes huge as well. I know I have done it 
in the past and very luckily survived but probably trimmed a few months off my 
lifespan to pay for it. I’ve run into bugs in the past with LC and have always 
found a work around for them on the current project and later most have been 
taken care of in LC, I realize it takes time and priorities are not always mine.

Yes features are always promised but reality always creeps in and resets things 
all the time. But LC has gone on longer and further and covering more platforms 
than most any system out there. With every new platform or major feature it 
adds to the permutations of issues and bugs so things can go at an exponential 
curve of development anymore and decisions need to be made to best keep all the 
balls in the air for the whole system.

Richmond, you need to listen to your mother some and if you don’t have 
something constructive to say try and be quiet some, or just pontificate in 
cheese instead of being insulting. I’m sorry but your flaming of LC staff (and 
the community) constantly is just plain annoying. It does no one any good, it’s 
not the way to make good change. Come to the table with constructive, 
reasonable and positive comments and not nasty ones. Sorry, you don’t represent 
this “community”, at least none I am part of. You complain the LC treats us 
with distain, well I don’t feel like LC does and your comments just fill me 
with distain for your comments. If you talk like that to others then expect to 
be treated with distain. 

You probably think I’m an LC cult member, but you are wrong, I’m the last guy 
in the room cults would go for. I think too much for myself and try to treat 
others reasonably and keep expectations in line with reality, there are no 
magic bullets, most all things are based on some thought and work, not a guru 
spewing truth which you seem to think you do and we should follow suit. Sorry 
not joining your cult. 

LC all the way back to MetaCard has been a big part of making me a richer 
livelihood in both money and profession, won me awards, and positively educated 
many hundreds of thousands with my projects for like 35 years now. That is why 
I trust the LC team to have the best shot at keeping the boat afloat, not a 
mantra. For that I keep thanking the LC team all the way back to Scott and Bill 
Atkinson. Others like Hypercard, toolbook, supercard, Oracle media objects, 
Authorware, Etc have helped for periods and some specific projects due to 
particular needs (produce something Apple publishes it better be in HyperCard 
and make something for Mr Packard and it better run on an hp) but none have 
lasted and matured like LC has.

Jeff

> On Oct 3, 2019, at 2:15 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> Dear List Folks,
> 
> I'd like to reassure you, the team is anything but idle, and the fruits of 
> their labours are coming your way. I don't wish to steal Pano's thunder, but 
> you should look for 

Crash when moving video window to external monitor pc

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Just had a report of having an LC9 application crash on windows 10 home crash 
when a video window opened on the laptop screen is moved to the external. The 
application has a main window with the user interface and a daughter window 
that is just has a video player in it. app opens with both windows on the main 
laptop screen and when they move the video window to the external monitor it 
crashes. They can move the interface screen to the external monitor and things 
will work fine with the video playing on the laptop screen.

Now using the direct show with the LAV set using K-Lite codec pack on the pc. 

No issue with this on the mac.

im wondering if there is some odd difference in the video drivers on the pc 
laptops that direct show or the LAV codecs dont play well with or have access 
to on the external monitor graphics controller.

Anyone seen video pay issues on external monitors on pc laptops?

thanks

Jeff Reynolds 
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Re: OT: OMGwebsites

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Mark,

Welcome to the new world of websites... I've gotten out of the business as 
content is now an evil thing in websites. It's being tossed out right and left 
and what's left is being rewritten into three sentence paragraphs of 
garbledgook separated by large full width photos and repeated 10-20 times down 
a page in the longest scrolls I have ever seen these days!

Websites that were all about content are even doing this. One client actually 
said why do we have all this content, let's dump it. When I asked where the 
visitors will get the content on the community (chamber site), they said we can 
just do external links to get that content. I then asked where those sites 
would be and they listed a few, but all these sites linked to us to get that 
content, we were the only ones who had it. When I pointed this out they first 
did not get why the external links would not work and they said the content 
will appear. I can only think this comes from the fact that most folks under 30 
have grown up with the internet and all it's content just being there magically 
and when they get to a point of having to produce it they just think it is 
always out there and they don't have to really deal with it even when their job 
requires creating good content for their companies or orgs needs. I have been 
bluntly asked many times why should I bother creating the content
 . I keep asking well where will folks get it? Call you up, lord no that costs 
too much money and we don't want to answer questions that way!

Order and organization is also now forbidden. Things are arranged with pictures 
and statements and the condensed content bits are then sprinkled in after this 
with no real thought as to order and organization.

It may also come from marketing. There is a strong camp in marketing that I've 
run into for decades in working with marketing both internal and external that 
feels you never want to be really clear about what you are selling. Use to 
drive me crazy as we would have the top rated product but the marketing 
materials really did not clearly show what we had and emphasize the main points 
we were rated so highly for! On the marketing materials we looked just the same 
as our lowest quality competitors! 

I've been finding it harder myself to get basic information on things in my own 
web research as well due to all the above, it's sad as you would think it would 
get easier with time here but most of the basic information for companies and 
products is getting dropped and fuzzier. The worse thing is this has been 
translated over to content focused sites as being the new cultural norm to 
follow. Very sad...

Jeff

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 6:00 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> I gotta say I feel better about the LC website after reading this:
> 
> https://hackernoon.com/for-the-love-of-god-please-tell-me-what-your-company-does-c2f0b835ab92
> 
> -- 
>  Mark Wieder


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Re: intersect . . . invisible images

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

I think it's not quark and dryer spins that take away those lost locks but an 
intersection of this universe with another existing in the same space but 
different dimensions. And if the infinite number of universes theory is true 
the one universe must be the recipient of all said lost socks from all the 
other infinite number of universes and that is a shocking universe to 
contemplate.

So Richmond be careful the intersections you try to map or you may find 
yourself in an episode of the twilight zone trying to find a little lost girl...

Cheers,

Jeff


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Re: Biased testing and micro-coaching

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Jonathan,

I second bill's approach of watching folks use the app. Years of educational 
software creation taught me this. I would always make friends with a local 
teacher that was into tech and they usually were happy to get a period to try 
something on the kids if it only took one period to do in the lab and was 
something they thought good first. Things were so self evident on what just 
worked and what crashed and burned. I really found that the designs that were 
forced (usually by marketing) always crashed and burned, but the just good 
ideas that came out of what was it we were really trying to do somehow avoided 
most all the little design eddies that folks would get a little hung up by. But 
watching you could quickly see those eddies w.o having to do hard core testing. 
Sadly this is hard to do for free in a school anymore but hiring some kids or 
adults will do.

It's funny as I've found the same thing with exhibit design. I would always 
spend a few hours just watching folks after we finished an exhibit. I found it 
really invaluable to find the little issues and the big ones and you could see 
so easily what folks were getting and what they were not, what they were 
looking and and not looking at and how they felt about the exhibit in the 
whole. Many of these exhibits got very expensive summative evaluations and I 
found that my just watching observations were right in line with heavy testing 
and many times a bit more complete and useful for potentially fixing things and 
learning for the future.

Cheers

Jeff

> On Jul 7, 2017, at 1:53 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Jonathon,
> I feel your pain. In my case, I was initiated by my students and very quickly 
> learned how to ask the questions a newbie would ask. I also paid small 
> amounts to graduate students to get their feedback.
> 
> One of my very effective testers is my grandson, my wife, any of my 
> colleagues who might be enticed to use the app. Looking over the shoulder 
> while these folks use the app can be very illuminating. 
> 
> In summary:
> 1. Ask friends and relatives first.
> 2. Perhaps there would be volunteers from the live ode users group.
> 3. Hire high school students who might have a tech interest. Look over their 
> shoulders as they use the app and dialog to themselves. Actually watching 
> users is invaluable.
> 
> Good luck,
> Bill P


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mousedown on player in 8.1.4

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

I was just testing a stack on LC 8.1.4 on the surface (win10) and for some 
reason im not getting the mousedown message on the player object in the stack.  
worked fine in LC 7.1.4 on the surface. works on both LC 7 and 8 on the mac. 
cant find any new properties that deal with this. 

does not matter if the controller is there or not. just odd. same behavior with 
mouse or touchscreen on the surface with the player object not responding to 
mousedown. No other PCs right now to test on other than the surface.

I did find that i could get the mainstack to work with the touchscreen on the 
first touch after a substack was closed from above it by setting the purge 
window to true, so was able to solve that issue.

jeff
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touch issues with the surface

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Has anyone done multiple stacks with a surface under touch?

my app has a video playback substack that the control (master) stack brings up 
to play video full screen over the control app. works fine on mac and pc and 
the surface in pc mode (using mice and trackpads) but in tablet mode or in pc 
mode when you do touch an odd thing happens. When you select a video to play 
the master stack opens the video stack and loads the video into the player on 
this stack and reconfigures everything to play the video full screen. If you 
touch the video it just close the video stack and you are back with just the 
master stack. odd thing is that the first touch back on the master stack does 
not register as mousedown or up in livecode and you have to touch a second time 
to get the mousedown/up event. but when the video stack then is brought back up 
to play the video the first touch on the video stack registers a mousedown/up. 
This is true if the video substack is opened/closed each time used or just 
hidden/show. first thought it was some sort of issue with other windows in the 
development system but i get the same behavior when i build an app that 
contains the two stacks.

i could just change the surface version of this app to open just a player over 
the control stack and ditch the separate video stack (thats part of another 
version that lets the video be on one screen (projector) and control stack on 
the laptop for presentations. surface version of the app is to just have it all 
play full screen on the surface in tablet mode. 

but it bugs me not knowing why something is behaving like this in one 
permutation…

surface is a very quirky system…

cheers,

jeff


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Re: RIP Dan Shafer

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Sad, many years and few editions of his HC book dogeared on my lap in the early 
years.

jeff
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HD Windows Video Formats

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Hi,

Just curious what video wrappers and codecs folks are using for HD (1080) for 
windows 10 playback (surface) with the directshow drivers native now in 
livecode.

its an odd set listed in the directshow format page

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd407173(v=vs.85).aspx 
<https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd407173(v=vs.85).aspx>

wmv looks to work but has a 10mps max which has some issues with underwater 
shots with lots of solids. the h264 compression option looks to be wrapping in 
an mpeg2 and not quite sure of a path to get there. Does anyone do h264 that 
playback decoders installed under generic win10 install and a path to how you 
made the files?

thanks

jeff reynolds
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Re: Ben Beaumont jumps ship

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Sigh, me too I guess. I now see how long it has been (40 years) thinking back...

HyperCard
Supercard
Plus
Oracle Media Objects
Toolbook
MetaCard
Revolution
Livecode

Jeff

> Me too. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 11:43 , Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If we're counting HC, I've been "there" longer than Kevin. :) And so have
>>> several others on this list.
>> 
>> If that counts, I'm day 1 . . .
> 


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Re: mac/win codecs

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

Doh! should have used a quick google search, found it!

sorry for the bother.

jeff

> On May 25, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Jeff Reynolds <j...@siphonophore.com> wrote:
> 
> I was trying to find the page i had last fall that had the current codecs 
> supported on windows under livecode 7. Cant find anything now on the current 
> livecode site on the codecs supported or the video api used. Can anyone point 
> me to where the info is for lc 7.1?
> 
> thanks
> 
> jeff
> 


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mac/win codecs

[Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode]

I was trying to find the page i had last fall that had the current codecs 
supported on windows under livecode 7. Cant find anything now on the current 
livecode site on the codecs supported or the video api used. Can anyone point 
me to where the info is for lc 7.1?

thanks

jeff


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Re: [OT] Website Design Apps-Mac

[Jeff Reynolds]

This is sooo true with Wordpress. So many hackbots out there going at every wp 
site they can find to punch at all known security holes (hosting companies and 
individuals don't always keep up wp security patches). Folks think hackers 
won't care about my puny site, but usually they are looking to get onto 
servers... A couple friends have been wp designers/developers for a long time 
and spend a lot of time and money on client's wp security issues.

Cheers,

Jeff

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:39 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> One problem i see with WordPress is, that its popularity make it a popular 
> target for hackers.


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Re: What's everyone working on this month? (September 2016)

[Jeff Reynolds]

Just updated content the presenter interface system for the auditorium programs 
at Monterey bay aquarium. It's been run on MetaCard/rev/livecode since the 90s 
and still going strong! They have a number of presenter shows that run in the 
auditorium all the time that utilize a large HD video library.

Now working on the proposal to move the system to the surface tablets to run 
the show wirelessly and also to switch over to handheld access to the video 
library after shows to answer questions with folks one on one between shows. 
They are also adding new education systems based on the same system in new 
classrooms.

Jeff

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Re: using windows playback via livecode 8

[Jeff Reynolds]

Somehow i lost a week of emails there on the list replies!
Jacque,
I just got a pro 4 from the ms store here in bethesda on loan (if you go to a 
store they now have a loaner program for up to a month to try stuff out on a 
surface for free!). i downloaded LC8 and it is running fine, about to bring 
over some lc apps this weekend to test and start trying the video playback out. 
im guessing the 32bit comes turned on and perhaps you can switch it off some 
where or not load it to save space or memory perhaps. ill poke around and see 
if i can find anything in the settings.
FYI the surface book looses the GPU if you detach the screen for mobile work so 
it basically really is back to being a surface 4 at that point for graphics 
processing (on the cpu) and it looses half the battery as well (the other half 
is in the base). you only get the larger screen.
Ive not been impressed with the surface so far, its not anything as easy as 
using an ipad as a touch device for the regular interface stuff. sure it will 
work fine with a touch designed interface, but the screen response is a little 
spotty and not very comfortable to hold as a pad unit. it feels more like 
having a laptop that you can pull off the screen but not something you want to 
carry around like that and use a lot of the time like that. it is a swiss army 
knife, useful but not always so comfortable to carry or use...
jeff

> On 8/17/2016 1:02 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
> > FWIW, we have 2 Surface Pro 3 units here. We run LC 6 - LC 8 apps on
> > them just fine. We have a number of school districts that have
> > adopted them based on our suggestions and they are running our apps
> > well. Everyone is using them as they come from Microsoft without
> > modification to compatibility modes and such. Hope this helps...a
> > little bit at least.
> 
> Yes, it does, thanks very much. The user said someone "set up the 
> system" for her and she didn't want to change the settings. Maybe that 
> was the problem, if there's some setting that forbids fallback to 
> 32-bit. I have no idea what they changed, and she was a very naive user 
> who couldn't answer any questions.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com 
> 
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
> 

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using windows playback via livecode 8

[Jeff Reynolds]

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has had good luck playing back HD quality video on a 
MS Surface book using livecode 8 and the new windows playback system that uses 
the direct show libraries.

A client wants to be able to playback full screen HD videos on the surface from 
a presentation interface that is normally used to control a dedicated video 
server. I have done this for years on macbook pros to the external and laptop 
video and low res videos on desktop screens with windows but always using 
quicktime in the past. Now with win 10 I assume that should not be done even if 
we could get an old qt installed.

They wanted ipad but the bundling and such necessary of all the assets which 
need updating now and then was way too much work for what was needed. If we can 
just play the windows version from the Surface like we do with the macbook pro 
then it should be a pretty simple modification. 

The surface book specs look like its decent graphics to do this, but always a 
bit of a guess if this stuff will play well on hardware until tested. years 
back when I had to do this on the mac, the apple store manager let me actually 
bring in a monitor and also run my software from a flash drive to test if the 
macbook pros at the time could do it! luckily it did. Not sure MS store will 
let me do this but going to give it a whirl.

Thanks

jeff
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Re: The Future of LiveCode in Education

[Jeff Reynolds]

Yes was true for me as well even though i had programmed in a few different 
languages in the past. At the time HC came out i was in grad school {molecular 
biology) and not programming. After 10 minutes of looking at HC and poking at 
it i realized how much fun and useful things i could do so quickly and easily. 
Like Jacqueline I did not think in a few years that HC (and later MC, then LC) 
would be one of the main things i would do in my work for the next 25+ years of 
multimedia and exhibit design and production!

Years later HC was the system I did one of Apple’s first (and very few) 
Multimedia CD-ROMs (Earth Explorer). Everyone, including Apple (I had to 
convince them and they were a little chagrinned I had to convince them!), 
thought it could run on HC and not require C++. Programming and debugging costs 
would have been much higher if we had! I would have never gotten on that path 
if HC was not preinstalled on that little Mac plus…

The CD-ROM sold very well at the height of the CD-ROM boom there, but had only 
a minor impact in Education as only a fraction of schools had the money to 
spend buying the copies they needed even with the package deals Apple ed had. 
But within a year of so they started shipping the CD-ROM with every school mac. 
This made a profound impact in education for a few years as it was out there 
all over the place being use and not costing the schools effectively (and could 
be used on older equipment by sharing the cdrom). I think our company made way 
more at the dollar a disc bulk license than they ever did with the retail and 
education sales that has all sorts of costs associated eating up the larger 
profit margin! for Apple the dollar or two increase was minimal in a computer’s 
cost and it got them lots of good will from the schools as well as a positive 
impact on providing great content to the schools not really available elsewhere 
at the time. Again would not have happened if not shipped with every education 
mac.

So how about LC community shipping on all education macs? or on all macs for 
that matter? I think Jacqueline hit it on the head that it being there and easy 
to start playing with were the key to HC and the Mac’s success! Apple needs to 
continue this tradition and LC fits the bill. LC made an impression on Apple 
with getting into the iOS app development, so its not a total stranger…

cheers

jeff




> On Feb 29, 2016, at 3:13 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> HyperCard took off because it shipped free on every Mac. That's 
> certainly the reason I started with it, because I never in a million 
> years thought I'd like programming. But it was there on our new Mac so I 
> started exploring. The language was easily grasped and there were dozens 
> of examples to look at. I got hooked immediately.
> 
> If HC hadn't been there right in front of me I never would have touched 
> it, no matter how many glowing reports I might have read about it 
> elsewhere. I was positive that programming wasn't something I was suited 
> for. I am also sure that's what happened with all the thousands of new 
> HC users who never dreamed they could produce their own software.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com 
> 
> HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 
> 
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Multiple windows launches of an app

[Jeff Reynolds]

Just had something odd happen on a win 7 machine where multiple copies of the 
livecode app that runs on it (stripped machine that only runs this application 
for a presentation system) some how got started up. I had bumped the app to 
LC7.1 and over the last few months some random freezes were occurring (never 
seen before in the system that has run for 20+ years of evolution from early 
metacard!) and the multiple running copies of the same app was just discovered 
happening with the current 7.1LC version.

Users were quitting out of the app when things would seem to stop working by 
using an escape key handler i have that just quits the app (always has quit the 
app in the past fine with no lingering copy). Its a live show so I never can 
get detailed info on exactly the nature of the freeze up, but the escape key 
handler works so its not totally locked up, some say the buttons dont function 
others say it keeps working but external machine control does not work, others 
say it starts working again after a 30 second pause. again its totally new and 
random behavior, sometimes once a day sometimes not for two weeks. no 
consistent screen or asset causing it it seems. The app is pretty simple in its 
duties for revrun, basically little text db of video clips and thumbnails and 
labels to be selected played by external video server with UTP commands. 

But just finding multiple copies running makes me suspicious that they may have 
been causing some trouble so trying to squash that first now! Also the nightly 
restart on the windows box was not happening so windows was running for long 
periods. Had that issue with one rev of windows that would get cranky after 
running for a month or so straight w/o a restart.

Any ideas on how to prevent the multiple copies of the app from getting fired 
up?

thanks 

jeff
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Re: [OT] Teaching methodology

[Jeff Reynolds]

Richmond,

ive used a combo when teaching high school kids in the US software or 
programming. I do some mini lessons so they do practical project (always found 
this better than theoretical exercises with most students) on a subset of 
commands or features. proceed each with a small amount of discussion of the 
commands and features, then the assignments. after a few of these then move to 
more open ended assignments to let them tie it all together but have a wider 
understanding of the software or system.

Of course there are usually some exceptions to the rule with some way out there 
students who just dive in and figure it out. these more precocious students 
usually dont have the tunnel vision issue, that tends to be the grade grubbers 
who just care about getting the A on the assignment in the most direct course...

cheers

jeff



 On Aug 12, 2015, at 12:37 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
 
 Based on my experience with teaching programming to kids who already 
 have some programming experience but are self-taught,
 I find that many of these self-taught programmers tend to focus on a 
 very limited subset of one particular programming language
 and ignore the other, richer features because they have not had a 
 systematic introduction to the language or to general principles
 of programming.
 
 That is a semi-quote from an acquaintance of mine trying to teach 
 progging to High School kids in China.
 
 I would be grateful for lots of insight on my questions that stem from 
 his statement.
 
 1. Do children really need a systematic introduction to the language or 
 to general principles of programming when it
 come to working with LiveCode?
 
 2. Is this bit true in your experience of self-taught programmers:
 
 they tend to focus on a very limited subset of one particular 
 programming language
 and ignore the other, richer features  ??
 
 3. Id #2 is true have you any ideas on how to get self-taught 
 programmers out of their comfort zone
 and leveraging other aspects of a programming language?
 
 Richmond.

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UDP and livecode

[Jeff Reynolds]

Hi folks,

I need to try out some UDP for communication with an AMX systems controller. 
HTTP posts are sometimes being processed very slowly by the AMX and hoping that 
the UDP might be faster.

Is there anywhere in the Livecode documentation that talks about UDP more 
directly? all ive found are some antidotal bits with socket commands. I realize 
its very similar, but would be helpful to see something that address all the 
various UDP stuff together with Livecode to make sure im not missing something 
here!

thanks mucho,

Jeff
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Re: [OT] And You Thought Richmond Kept Old Macs Alive

[Jeff Reynolds]

I was in grad school at Berkeley in the 80s and our department went mac crazy 
fast (yes i helped this along greatly!). Getting folks to sink thousands in to 
a apple laserwriter was hard, but I was able to convince a couple of labs that 
had one to share if other labs would buy cartridges and maintainance. But of 
course to work well this required a local talk network thru the 5 story 
building. Well the university would not hear of this and at the time they 
wanted everything token ring and could care less about macs (except in many 
departments like ours macs were outselling pcs like 25 to 1 on new purchases) 
and the cost was about the cost of a mac or pc at the time to get a network 
connection put in by the university. I asked if we could just run some phone 
wire down the halls in the pipe chases to do a simple local talk and the 
university went ballistic saying it would cause fires and acted like the 
building would collapse if anyone zipped tied a phone wire to a pipe chase!

I went to the building supervisor who was avery cool guy and asked if i could 
run some phone wire down the pipes and i would make sure they would be well 
hidden and not connected to any pipes or other wires so no one would get upset 
if repairing something. for a couple of six packs he was willing to look the 
other way. so one weekend with a couple of helpers and 4 big boxes of phone 
cable and local talk connectors i was able to wire like 50 rooms and computers 
over 5 floors. Took a week or two to get the terminators set just right to get 
every station to respond well but then churned on like a charm for years. Some 
of the mac heads in the area were amazed that i was able to get the size of 
network done with local talk across a building like this so simply. Just took 
care of branch points and doing solid connecting wiring and then of course the 
termination issues...

later bridged it over to the campus network and out thru a sun spark farm as 
well. 

Was never discovered by the university and lasted until they wired the 
building with ethernet many years later, but by then most macs were ethernet 
anyway and the internet was there as something most could start using!

the main use the first use the next week though want not really printing but 
everyone in the building discovered they could play the multiplayer star trek 
game and all computers were taken up in this before being discovered by the 
profs what was going on and then it was made clear not to do so (well we did 
just late at night when they were not around!)

cheers

jeff

ps still have my clear developer newton and my sinclair z80. but alas dont have 
all my basis 108 and long line of macs as all went thru 2 or 3 other folks 
after i got new machines. they would live on and on and be passed on. really 
loved to see that happen as each new user got such joy and some work done on 
those old macs!)

On Mar 28, 2015, at 7:00 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Localtalk connectors.
 
 
 At AM in the late 80s and early 90's I set up a very expensive Farallon
 rack-mounted hub with plug in cards. And the first card was a localtalk hub
 with each computer home-run'd to the hub rather than daisy chained. Later
 we added and Ethernet hub and ethernet cards to the machines and a gateway
 through ISDN to 'the internet'. Before the web existed we had a local
 networks and outside dial-up so I could screen share with any machine using
 Timbuktu
 
 Pretty cool for a recording studio... but I ended up as a reluctant IT guy
 for a while.

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[OT] Startup apps under Yosemite

[Jeff Reynolds]

I have an older kiosk livecode application that is now being installed on a new 
mac mini with yosemite (old imac running it finally died after 8 years in a 
visitor center!). There is one odd thing now with setting startup applications 
with the user account on Yosemite as after all of the start up applications are 
loaded (in this case just the exhibit app) finder is brought to the front. I've 
tested this with a number of apps and finder always comes up on top at the end 
of startup. Anyone know of a work around so that after startup the app does not 
need to be clicked on to bring it to the front?

thanks

jeff
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Re: [OT] baby

[Jeff Reynolds]

Monte,

Congrats and best to you all!

Jeff

 On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:00 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
 
 We just had a baby so I won't be able to get to mergExt related questions for 
 a few days. Rebecca(mum) and Sarah(bub) are doing well but Sarah has a few 
 breathing issues so needs some extra O2 for a while.

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Re: how to disturb newbies

[Jeff Reynolds]

One thing also with documentation like the, and newbies are the most vulnerable 
to this, is how well written it is and does it cover all the steps (ie not 
start c, d, e...). It hard for a high end development crew to hopefully have 
the ability to write and edit to a very clean and readable style and also not 
take some of the very basic knowledge for granted. To really do this well you 
either have to be extremely luck and have someone on staff that just happens to 
have writing and/or editing (but both should not be done by the same person if 
you want great results) as second talents/skills or hire in professional help. 

In all the companies, organizations and projects I've worked on in the last 35 
years or so, in just about every case the writing and editing of any 
documentation, grants, and, at times, even content to be presented was given 
some of the lowest priorities and usually there were enough staff that were 
considered (or self appointed) good enough writers to the task, but usually 
proved pretty sadly wrong whenever there was some professional work done to 
compare it to (most especially true in copy editing, even those considered 
really good are not compared to the truly good ones, I know I've worked with 
them on projects up to a million words).

I'm not saying at all the rev dictionary is poorly written at all. I have 
always found it very good for me for the most part (more info would always be 
great and a notes function useful as well), but I'm dyslexic and thus when I 
read I tend to suck out meaning and toss language out (you should hear me read 
out loud) and thus the opposite of the average user (language plays a more 
front and center role in non dyslexic readers and why it can muck up 
content/meaning for them easily.) Even though really good writing and editing 
is partially lost on me, I really understand its impact on the end user as I've 
been doing content design, development and production a long long time and have 
seen the proven results.

Just saying if you really want the more average user and newbie to really grock 
the material that nuance of a professional giving all the content a good pass 
really can help and it tends to be the last priority unfortunately.

Cheers

Jeff

 On Oct 26, 2014, at 7:00 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:
 
 I fully agree. The dictionary is very important to shape the first impression 
 of newcomers about LC. I have read and heard several disparaging comments 
 about the documentation which are a very negative publicity for this 
 fantastic product. I perfectly understand that it is far more interesting and 
 stimulating for the small staff in Edinburgh to develop new features - and 
 they are brilliant at that - than devote time and energy to do the house 
 cleaning on the documentation. But it's a vital part of how their work is 
 appreciated outside. I would suggest Kevin to establish a weekly hour of 
 dictionary cleaning for everybody. Most of the dictionary problems could be 
 solved in such a short time.

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Re: The Missing Link between LiveCode and Teachers

[Jeff Reynolds]

Al,

this is all so true. I have this issue in educational media publishers as they 
all want everything on the web but i still get constant feedback from teachers 
that they like to have a cdrom in their hand to base their curriculum on rather 
than a web site. Why? Because websites with content, even those subscription 
based ones from publishers tend to go poof fast. Even publishers tend to start 
ignoring titles after just a few years. If teachers want to base curriculums on 
certain content they want it there for many years to pay off the investment and 
not have to be continually changing things. High bandwidth or any bandwidth at 
all is also an issue in many schools still. Hypermedia works so much better for 
this delivery than browser based approaches. Unfortunately though publisher 
just think this direction is dead and distributors as well so almost impossible 
to go down that route anymore. But the issue of web based materials getting 
quickly forgotten and breaking in new browser revs or
  just disappearing still goes on.

This also goes for kids producing their own media projects. Hypermedia like 
livecode work so much better at letting the kids do their own thing both in 
versatility and also in teaching more basic programming logic and content 
layout than doing web pages. While some assignments worked well in the 
classroom lab environment (I taught multimedia for a year in my old high school 
to fill in) and is a useful skill, only a small subset of the overall 
curriculum assignments that we adapted to doing with multimedia approach worked 
well with web sites. Even traditional page layout was well suited for some 
assignments as it got the kids thinking into how to present the standard 
assignment content in a different manner and really think thru the content not 
just spit it back. But hypermedia was the king for really getting the kids 
involved in larger projects and team efforts.

cheers

jeff



On Apr 17, 2014, at 6:00 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Recently, I was consulting EBSCO database:
 
 http://search.ebscohost.com/
 
 for articles and publications about
 Hypermedia.
 
 Surprisingly, most of these articles have been
 written from 1988 to 1995 and uses the Macintosh
 and HyperCard as their role model for hypermedia
 explanations and implementation.

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Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

[Jeff Reynolds]

On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
 So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
 appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5.

 

you will have a much higher percentage of 10.5 in schools where computers are 
usually used until they die and with macs that can be a long, long time... Many 
times school labs dont have full time techs or just an instructor upgrading 
stuff so if its working dont mess with it comes in and even hardware that can 
get higher oses will not get them until absolutely forced to. When i ran a high 
school lab it had over 80 macs spanning 11 years and i think 10 or more models, 
all humming along. there were three os/mac grades at the time for the 80 odd 
computers depending on hardware and needs to keep things sort of templated so 
it was all not totally by the computer.

so use in some school situations could be hamptered, but i expect most of the 
main stream programming ed programs are probably in newer labs with newer 
computers and oses. for the cases where just a few kids use it then there will 
most likely be enough post 10.5s to get by.

but at some point you have to say thats it on the other hand. the compromise 
sounded good with the 6.6 and then keeping it around for legacy development. 
and having 7 move forward is good.

jeff reynolds
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Re: OT: Mr. Macintosh

[Jeff Reynolds]

Ahh old dogcow! One of my most treasured possessions was my apple testing mug 
with Dogcow on it from the many hours testing my cdroms at apple. it got 
knocked onto the tile floor and shattered, tube of super glue and all the 
king's men could not put dogcow back together again... sad day.

I did have fun with Moof at Berkeley. i managed our department's mac network 
and computers and put an init on them that randomized the system beep and put 
about 40 of the plain beep and one of moof, so it would come up every once and 
a while randomly like mr mackintosh. was hilarious prank. that and set the 
start up sound to breaking glass and the startup screen to a shattered mac 
start up screen. amazing how many folks would instantly run away as not to be 
blamed for breaking the mac! linking a second ADB keyboard and mouse onto 
someone elses computer so you could mess with them while they worked...

those were the days...

jeff



On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:00 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 I still love the dogcow. I laughted hysterically for about 10 minutes
 the first time I heard the sound sample: MOOF!  I think it was on one
 of the earlier developer CDs.

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[OT] MIA

[Jeff Reynolds]

Monte,

oh so very sorry to hear that. My deepest condolences to you and your family.

jeff


On Jan 21, 2014, at 4:35 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Hi Folks
 
 I'm going to be off the reservation for a little while. For those that knew 
 we had a baby due in a couple of weeks we lost her yesterday and I just need 
 to focus on family for a while. If my friends here notice anyone getting 
 upset about lack of communication from me/mergExt on the forums etc could you 
 please let people know I'll be back when life settles down a bit.
 
 Thanks
 
 Monte

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1080p video and livecode

[Jeff Reynolds]

Just curious if anyone is doing any 1080p video with livecode.

I've done some tests and had great playback with livecode. Curious how well it 
will hold up with playing for long periods.

702p seems to hold up very well with abuse in livecode.

thanks

jeff
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Re: [OT] SmartWatches

[Jeff Reynolds]

gotta love the design, no one for samsung to copy! talk about a lot of 
un-needed bits on something that small where space is precious.

sick enough of folks glancing at their phones constantly (we have a house guest 
right now that looks to his phone about 50% of the time he is talking to you 
and at times will totally ignore you, im almost to the point of grabbing the 
phone out of his hand and telling him he can have it back when he leaves), now 
its going to be their watches and soon just a totally distant distracted gaze 
out the glasses. for what? less human contact, thats for sure.

i cant wait till i run into the first google glass person, im going to run 
around keeping out of their field of view, getting behind them and looking over 
their shoulders and try to look thru the glasses. or ill just put up a mirror 
in their face...

you can guess where im on this one...

one cool new mobile gadget that actually looks to very useful is sony's new 
camera that wifis to a phone or tablet (basically just lens, sensor and 
battery, no screen). strap it to the back of your phone to have a 10x zoom with 
some optics and decent sensor or just plunk the nice little lens unit by itself 
in harder to get to places to take shots from and control from your device. 
basically like the gopro wifi but this you can control the optics from the 
device. i can see using this for doing static model shots or plopping down in 
the model train layout to get really neat views to do video or still from. this 
like the gopro will stimulate some fun and creative uses, products, and content.

cheers

jeff

On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:50 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Just curious - is anyone rushing out to buy one of these things?  I can't
 figure out why I'd want to pay $200-$300 for one when they don;t appear to
 do anything my phone doesn't already do.
 Pete

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Re: QT playback of remote files

[Jeff Reynolds]

Trevor way good! This just clicked, i had to do this with a project where it 
was a local files but multiple movies were playing then had to fire an audio 
file and would not reliably start playing. i stumbled into setting the playrate 
somehow.

good luck Jacqueline!

jeff

On Jul 17, 2013, at 9:34 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Hopefully that will fix the problem. The 'playrate' is a QuickTime property
 that I always used back in the days of LiveStage Pro (a QuickTime authoring
 environment). When I started using LiveCode I always used 'playrate'
 (rather than 'start player') out of habit. When I saw reports of problems
 with 'start player' the problems were often resolved by switching to 'set
 playrate'.

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Re: Another bizarre Apple patent troll case, in which Runtime Revolution plays a bit part

[Jeff Reynolds]

i thought most of the human interface and multimedia patient nonsense was done 
by the late 90s. soo many of these trolls with the cdrom boom we went thru and 
it was pretty funny then as the ideas had been out there on public display most 
of the time way before. At one point our company was approached and execs got 
excited about trying to patent the content management system we had developed 
for cdrom project production. it was silly and luckily they never took it very 
far (i didnt want to be a troll!) 

jeff

On Jun 4, 2013, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Someone tried to sue everyone who had made a CD-ROM once, I think that 
 failed. Hopefully this one will fail too.

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Re: [OT - I remembered this time]: here we go

[Jeff Reynolds]

ok i just spit coffee out my nose on this one!

thanks

jeff

On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote:

 My friend and ex bandmate David Brewer is a bagpiper and told me this
 story.
 
 As a bagpiper, I play many gigs. Recently I was asked by a funeral
 director to play at a graveside service for a homeless man. He had no
 family or friends, so the service was to be at a pauper's cemetery out in
 the wilds of California.

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Re: Now that the kickstarter was such a huge success...

[Jeff Reynolds]

I still want my hair when it comes off! Something to pass on to future 
generations. i think that was in at around the 35pound pledge was it not?

Cheers to Kevin and the Team and everyone here for pitching in with pr and 
money to pull this off! 

what a trail its been since 97 when i first starting poking metacard! getting 
the $1K together at that point to do the first project was daunting and some 
emails with Scott Raney to try and make sure it was going to do what I needed 
it to do he was very reassuring and helpful and gave a money back guarantee! 
Looking forward to the new code base and improved multimedia!

ironically my credit card company bounced the kickstarter charge early this am! 
why was this idiot doing a large charge to the UK at 4AM-- it must be fraud or 
porn! no indictment of the product just their heuristic algorithm kicking it. 
all put right now! 

Cheers, Cheers, Cheers!

jeff reynolds

 I think he should have to wear a fake one until his real one grows in.

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Re: A Personal Letter from Our CEO

[Jeff Reynolds]

well a good beard should then be about 35 quid per hair then so perhaps there 
should be a funding level for a follicle level support. maybe get your name 
laser etched on a hair or get the clipped hair at the end of the year. Just 
another way to incentivize the fundraising. I know having a beard hair from 
kevin in a block of acrylic on my desk would be something to cherish and pass 
on, but maybe thats just me...

just a silly thought...

cheers,

jeff
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Re: [OT] How to apply for jobs

[Jeff Reynolds]

Bob,

I've pretty much stopped trying to help associates write job descriptions for 
tech jobs. For some reason friends and associates refer people to me when they 
are writing these and want some review. They send me things like what you 
mention and I ask what the job is and It can be as mundane as maintain a simple 
HTML website and keep our pcs running. Or worse they list the qualifications 
for an advanced programmer, graphic designer, and writer for a web master job. 
I will try to explain they should focus the quals and give a clean job 
description, but they don't want to as they want someone really qualified. They 
won't listen when I tell them they won't find someone with great graphics, 
writing and programming skills unless they look a long time and are willing to 
pay six figures. They will not listen. I end up asking them why they called me 
in the first place if they don't want to listen. Then the phone calls later 
whining that they can't find anyone. I now just say I don't think I can help 
when someone calls about this sort of thing.

Oh did I mention they list salaries of $35-45k for these quals that would 
require 6+ years of school and 10+ years of experience. When I tell them that 
someone with this large of a skill set will most likely be older and 
experienced and be expecting a salary at least twice this, they always reply 
they really want some one really young and hot out of school that is willing to 
work cheap and take orders. Again blank stare when I point out they asked for 
5+ years experience and a list of quals and certs that would put someone at 
least in their mid 30s, a decade out of school and someone that would 
definitely have their own mind and would not enjoy being ordered around.. They 
just don't get it so I just give up before I scream.

I do think there is a lot of folks writing these that have no idea of the job 
or the qualifications are. Then it's copy and paste ad nausieum as mentioned.

Depressing.

Jeff

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m4p files in live ode

[Jeff Reynolds]

has anyone seen m4p (mpeg4) files playing back oddly in livecode  
players on the mac with a white frame at the end of the file? cant see  
the white frame in qtplayer or any other player and is not there in  
the original uncompressed qt file out of the editor, but in lc im  
getting this white frame at the very end when i create m4ps from  
handbrake. if i use compressor or qt to make movs (all h264) they  
behave fine, but handbrake h264 m4ps give this odd white frame. im  
guessing its something of the m4p not having the full mov wrapper and  
thus not behaving perfectly in lc.


you can get rid of it by backing off the play to end a few frames  
before the end of the file, but unfortunately the editor did not  
listen and leave a good second of black at the end of each piece (as i  
always request) so doing this leaves a ghost on the screen.


Im back at the monterey bay aquarium doing an update on the auditorium  
program here thats been run by lc/rev/metacard for like 15 years now!


we started doing traveling systems of the whole thing on macbooks a  
few years back. basically the presenters interface runs on the macbook  
screen and lc pumps 720p out the external port. im replacing the  
training system (which uses an mpeg server) with a mac mini now as  
well to show 720p and testing if the top end macbook pro could push  
1080p out! amazing to turn a mac into such a video server. lc has been  
really robust in doing this and not been able to kill it yet by  
torturing it!


 cheers

jeff

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Re: Banging on about Mac Classic

[Jeff Reynolds]

Richmond,

I believe 2.6.1 was the last version with mac classic build abilities. in 2.8 
it was build for mac os classic will be available soon but never came i 
think. that was the final version for a long time that i had to keep building 
in when i had to support classic (then move stack to more recent version for 
osx build.)

i cant find an unlicensed zip of the 2.6.1 unfortunately..

jeff

ps i still fire up my old sinclair z80 once and a while for a giggle. micro 
tape recorder is not doing so well though and tapes i expect to disintegrate 
with each load! hard to find any rf display input though anymore--another dodo 
bird! i lost the manual for the z80 and getting harder and harder to remember 
how to make it all work!  basis 108 still lurks in the basement but no monitor 
for it... jr


On Nov 8, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 So  . . . being aware that various releases of RunRev 3.5.0 are stlll 
 available for download on RunRev's servers, I wonder
 if anyone knows if there was a Mac Classic build of RR 3.5 and, if so, 
 the URL to download it?

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Re: [OT] Pray for Andre

[Jeff Reynolds]

On Oct 16, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:

 They promised me easy applications, and all I had to do was repeat all the 
 commands over and over. on mouseUp. on Opencard. On closeStack. Over and 
 over. One day I woke up in a teepee in Northern California smelling like 
 smoke, with a big headache, a woman with armpit hair, two marmots and no idea 
 how I got there. It's bad, bad stuff man! I'm never going back again! 
 
 Bob

LOL, LOL, LOL, thank bob you made my morning! 

the marmots i can explain (i grew up in northern california), but the rest is 
your bad trip...

jeff

On Oct 16, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon effe...@wanadoo.fr wrote:

 I've been to more than 50 countries, and Scotland is certainly
 the most beautiful country I ever saw. OK, so they do eat haggis,
 but then again, nobody is perfect !
 
 -Francis

I agree, we toured scotland earlier this year for a couple of weeks and it was 
pretty much like a coffee table book! very pleasant folks and very fun and easy 
to get around. food was great as well. 

modern haggis is quite tasty, they do it all sorts of ways now, even contests 
with it that the queen judges! hey but i eat hot dogs, spam and scrapple...

jeff
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Re: [OT] Facebook

[Jeff Reynolds]

security and personal information aside (very important and bad in my book as 
ell) I find that the vast majority of fb communication to be worthless as true 
human communication.

I actually was on facebook pretty early on. a couple of clients had wanted to 
investigate it so i had to get in and play and later manage their accounts. i 
did not like much of the interaction that was happening, but did not care much 
as i would find an interested volunteer in each org to take over the upkeep and 
take over each one.

At the early time i didn't like the amount of info they asked for and vague 
privacy policy so i signed up as fictitious scifi character with a burner email 
address. I also did this to see if they could detect faked accounts as well. As 
i was not communicating or friending i was very under the radar. then late one 
night facebook emailed they wanted a second email address for security 
purposes. i was tired and not thinking and used one of my main email addresses 
for this. Well i woke up the next morning with a few hundred friend requests! 
they of course used the 'security' email address to mine folks address books to 
make more connections (many did not realize they were allowing this as well). 

So i thought what the heck I'll just go ahead and give it the full look (this 
was a couple years back when fb was going ballistic). i instantly had a few 
hundred friends going all the way back to high school. I would say 75% of the 
friends were folks that i had a very passing association with and had not 
communicated with me in any other way in a long time. At first i thought cool, 
i can catch up some. Well quickly i found that none would really communicate 
other than 3 word posts at time and when i would email them would get little or 
nothing back from them. Then the stream of completely inane posts came in, some 
of which just reminded me of the worst of high school/adolescent behavior (i 
taught high school for a while so got to revisit this first hand as well). Try 
as i might to hold any sort of quality communication with this large group of 
very diverse folks, nothing worked! It amazed me that it was called social 
media. It was the worst aspects of being social, the most shallow, vane and 
devoid of any human quality communication.

to end the fb saga and the capper of bad behavior was how i ended up getting 
booted. everyone pretty quickly figured out my fb persona and knew my quirky 
side and got it and had a laugh. one of the old high school acquaintances (we 
ran track together and no real friendship) that had friended me early on kept 
sending cause requests for a lot of rather extreme causes. He started emailing 
me to ask why i was not joining his causes. I responded very nicely that my 
friends are spread across the political spectrum and i learned not to be public 
with politics much as any cause would piss off a good fraction of my friends. 
He kept at me and I kept trying to say sorry. He finally sent one message that 
was pretty angry and then that evening fb busted me for being a potential fake 
information. Im sure he was the one that turned me in at that point as i had 
survived several years with the fake id. so it was so ironic that i would be 
booted by one of the bad behaviors i felt fb was encouraging! 

To boot during this time i actually knew and met a few folks that were only 
interested in continuing communications if it was only thru facebook, no direct 
email. Again i found this so stunning. 

The funniest part of all this is im probably one of the most tech of all my 
wide circle of friends as well as the one who has always tried to keep in touch 
with folks the most, but im not on fb. I have not found fb to increase my 
connection to anyone or to have much of anything to do with being social, just 
the opposite.

I also have a few friends and clients that are big fb cause promoters. They are 
always touting the likes they have and yet when i ask what have they gotten for 
action, fund raising, etc out of all this (some invest a lot of money and time 
into these), they never have anything solid to point to. they all just fall 
into the argument that they have to be represented here and that its important 
to have all those likes. it becomes a circular argument.

cheers

jeff
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Re: [OT] What does Richmond do with Livecode?

[Jeff Reynolds]

Jacquiline,

so glad to hear you are one of the unsocial out there, makes me feel in good 
company!

jeff



On Sep 30, 2012, at 6:14 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Those of us who do not want to be involved with Facebook for any reason 
 will never know what he did.

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Re: pirate version of my book

[Jeff Reynolds]

Yes true, but when you try and teach, you need to reach your students in ways 
they can grasp and understand. With this understanding comes the tools to 
understand greater things and build higher. in this case its the ability to not 
just learn a rule, but to understand the rule and thus be able to apply it to a 
more complex situation which life brings us all the time. I started out with 
the kids spouting rules, but as the year wore on it moved to discussion about 
producing material and how it worked. the kids would really get into asking 
about my multimedia work and how i got into it and how to make a living off it. 
from all of this and their own experiences they gained (i would like to think) 
a good set of tools to think about the issue of content creation and ethics 
with paying or not paying for it. We had great discussions on issues of what 
should be in the public domain, copyrights and patents. It actually was the 
most stimulating part of the teaching for me and where i saw the most 
connections being made in the brains as they were in that teen to adult 
transition. I would like to think that when they think about those situations 
now they come to a good conclusion with a good feeling that they know they are 
doing the right thing, not just out of memory of the pain of being yelled at. 
there is a lot of strength in knowing you are on the right course that is 
needed to maintain that course.

jeff

On Sep 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 Snip snip. I think the best we can do as responsible adults is first to set 
 an example in our own lives, and then to express the principles which guide 
 us in life. Eventually people will make their own choice about what kind of 
 person they want to be. We hope as many as possible will choose to be good 
 people. None will achieve total success, but I have been told that it is more 
 about the direction you are heading than the place you happen to be at any 
 time. 
 
 Bob

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Re: pirate version of my book

[Jeff Reynolds]

Tim,

sorry to hear this about your son. I went back and taught at my old high school 
in the early 2000s when mp3 were hitting the fan and copying on the computer 
was getting rampant and just the thing kids growing up with as normal. I was 
teaching multimedia and since i was also producing it myself i really tried to 
talk the kids through the issue in a number of ways and i set rules what could 
be done int he lab inside educational guidelines on copyright and personal 
stuff. At first the kids thought i was just a dumb adult, but an interesting 
thing happened over the course of the year. when i took the job my aim was to 
integrate the multimedia into a lot of their standard assignments so they would 
be getting a twofer of doing standard assignments in more fun and different 
ways and learning good computer and design skills while doing their regular 
work. worked swimmingly and the kids were all producing their own content on a 
pretty continuous basis. I slowly saw them change their tune on 
copying/pirating. Once they got a sense of doing their own work they mellowed a 
lot about it and actually started to see the other side of the coin. it didnt 
stop all of it, but it was very heartening to see them listen when we would 
discuss it and not dismiss me as a dumb old adult. some came totally around and 
it was great to see in general a really good set of ethics being formed. most 
of the rest at least seemed to walk away with an internal battle going on about 
this. not totally set up yet ethically, but at least the seed was planted and 
they could not just ignore their own experience in the computation.

i think that sense of creation of something is not felt by many out there in 
society. without it the notion that you should be able to get something for 
doing that just is to intangible for them to build a good ethical structure 
around. While few of the students were true talents in creating stuff, all of 
them really enjoyed the process when given the chance, the tools, 
encouragement, and some instruction and produced much better product and had a 
much better understanding of the lessons than they did doing the standard 
writing papers and such. but the real thing i realized they got out of the 
process was that aha moment of seeing their own creation come to life. thats 
powerful and missing a lot in our culture and really helpful in being able to 
see the other side of the coin in these ethical issues. walking in the other 
guys shoes is really one of the basic parts of the ethical process.

cheers

jeff

On Sep 3, 2012, at 1:00 PM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

 When people find hundred dollar bills lying around outdoors, with no apparent 
 explanation, how many will turn the money over to authorities, pending 
 identification of the rightful owner? For that matter, how many of us would 
 do that?
 
 My 24 year old son has a normal conscience -- he is not mean or selfish in 
 other ways. He does not hesitate to download pirated music, he's got many 
 gigs of it, and he's figured out some way to download a pirated version of 
 almost any book he wants, to read on his Kindle. He would not hesitate to use 
 pirated software, though he doesn't know how. His conscience is entirely 
 silent on these topics. He thinks I'm weird because I prefer to pay for the 
 music I listen to.
 
 By comparison, I once tried to publish a commercial application and I'm the 
 author of a copyrighted book for which I received well-earned royalties.
 
 My son's behavior gives me pain. Yet he seems unable to conceive of the 
 possibility that his actions are immoral or harmful. He seems to think I am 
 an old-fashioned fuss-budget about copyrights. He is dismissive about the 
 possibility that authors might stop writing or musicians might stop 
 recording. Everyone he knows has the same point of view, except me and his 
 Mom.

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Re: The Story of Steve Jobs - An Inspiration or a Cautionary Tale

[Jeff Reynolds]

So livecode now has embedded code for human brains?! Where is the upload 
socket? Glad to see they just skipped over mobile devices and went directly to 
the wetware.

Cheers, jeff

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 on mouseup
   put the text of fld email into tRemark
   if isOffensive(tRemark) then
  steamComesOutOfMyEars
  answer Respond? with reply or ignore
  if it is reply then
 answer What tone? with blast or tactful
  end if
  if it is blast then answer Don't do it!!!
  else if it is tactful then answer Let's just get back to LC, shall 
 we?
   else
  pass mouseup
   end if
 end mouseup

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Re: QuickTime on Windows

[Jeff Reynolds]

Jacqueline,

I've been bit by this in the distant past and got in the habit of having the 
app determine the desired path so that it does not matter if running in the IDE 
or a standalone. I cant remember what the difference I ran into that made me 
start this.

Cheers, 

Jeff

Sent from my iPad

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 Subject: Re: QuickTime on Windows
 Message-ID: 50173c0a.2050...@hyperactivesw.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
 On 7/30/12 6:51 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 I believe it's psd for Parallels Shared Drive. If it's important to
 you, you might try using the mapped drive path. The IDE probably
 knows how to translate while a standalone might not. Just guessing
 there though.
 
 Yeah, psd sounds right. I think your diagnosis is probably right. I 
 don't need to do the mapping for the final standalone, but I'm glad to 
 know why it didn't work.


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Re: Upgrade to Lion

[Jeff Reynolds]

two 2tb external drives and just alternate between them once a week with time 
machine. figure if a drive goes worst case is loosing a week. so far they have 
zipped along for a while now with no issues. of course with murphy's law of 
backups i have not had to use them as they are effective backups. now the time 
i stop backing up then murphy will show up...


jeff

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 3 times I had tape backups fail me when I needed them most. I will never, no 
 ever, no not ever use tape again. 
 
 Bob

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Re: Upgrade to Lion - backups

[Jeff Reynolds]

bob,

alternate drive is for redundancy if a drive were ever to poop out and I keep 
one off site or in a firesafe if here as well for the theft/fire issue. 
 
I learned this thru a friend who had a very redundant backup system. only 
problem was not good about offsite and there was a fire in the office took out 
everything with fire, heat, smoke, and water damage... another friend had his 
laptop and the backup drive attached (only one) stolen from his home -- again 
SOL.

also ive had a couple of drives go by a head coming loose and that pretty much 
leaves you with nothing to recover...

main drive system is a redundant raid as well. few hundred buck investment over 
the years gives me a nice safety net and this system has spun along fine now 
for 5 years w/o any hickups due to the drives. my experience with backup 
systems has been total murphy's law.

watching a few other folks trying to recover from a data disasters has taught 
me as they all took huge number of hours (translate that to work hours lost), 
bucks in data recovery efforts, and im sure a few weeks of their life 
expectancy...

over the years ive dealt with most kinds of tape and cartridge backup systems 
as well with clients and companies ive worked with and most have worked but 
talk about a pain to reconstruct, was rarely easy or fast, hence when drives 
got cheap enough i moved fast!

cheers

jeff

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 Should not need to alternate drives with Time Machine. 
 
 Bob

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Re: Upgrade to Lion

[Jeff Reynolds]

Kay,

You make some good points here, but there is one thing missing in this ipad 
only vision. its hard to do a lot of work on an ipad. yes its great to read 
stuff and do stuff on the fly, but its just not a good productive environment 
for heavy duty work. ive used the ipad a lot since it has come out but the 
keyboard, ergonomics, size, and such just dont make it something you are going 
to do heavy duty work on. yes you can do heavy duty work on, but you are not 
going to do it for 8-12 hrs a day. point on a touch surface works well when 
things are in your hands or you just need to hit a button now and then if you 
raise your arm, but trying to work for long periods with your arms outstretched 
just does not cut it. and removing your hand from the keyboard to touch the 
screen is more of a distraction than grabbing the mouse. then you have the big 
fingertips that get in the way of seeing what you are doing. i can go on, ive 
worked on touch screen interfaces for exhibits for 20 years and looked a lot 
over the years at how folks interact with them in various situations. its a 
great device but not perfect for everything.

this is all to say that the workstation environment will always be with us in 
one way or another. for many folks this usually means typing and editing stuff. 
again if you are doing buckets of this a traditional workstation is the most 
efficient still. we are going to be a long way from the digital desktop and 
even then its not a great solution as trying to look down on a horizontal work 
surface is not very ergonomic for long periods. even the task of working on 
photos (something always demoed in those digital desktops) is very tiring on a 
horizontal surface for very long, i know i use to do a lot of that years ago in 
the old fashion way on a light table with prints and slides -- we usually went 
vertical when we could!

so having the options of the workstation OS to function best for this form of 
workflow is important to not go backwards in ease and efficiency of doing large 
amounts of work. having everything be iOS that is optimized for the casual and 
on the go workflow just ruins the experience for the more sit down and focused 
workflow. each need to interact and have as much UI look and feel as possible 
to make things as seamless as possible, but each need to do what they do best. 
even going down to phone sized creates issues with the UI and workflow from the 
ipad.

I did a very similar job as your wife at my old high school where i ran a 
multimedia lab, taught multimedia and developed curriculum. yes for students 
most of their computing needs is probably better wtih an ipad to do research, 
read textbooks, do simple assignment stuff. but their workflows are in very 
short bursts and in small bits. many folks working on a computer all day are 
not. many jobs have replaced laptops and workstations with ipads, but again 
their workflows were very short and defined computer interactions, not longer, 
more complex workflows. again just saying each tool has its place and saying 
that one size can fit all is almost never the case.

its silly to just toss things like save as because the version creators thinks 
you should do it only its way. both are great and have their strengths and 
weaknesses and places, so why not have them both to allow for folks to decide 
what they need to use in what they are doing at any particular time. its not 
like there are hundreds of things that are like this but there are a few that 
will really muck things up w/o providing an adequate work around.

progress is great and i have been progressing along with computers for over 39 
years now. the vast majority has made things better and more efficient, but now 
and then there are things that are done to just make a new version or a new way 
that is not necessarily better. bloatware is still alive and well.

cheers

jeff

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 My vision of the future is that there is no such thing (except for small
 pockets of revolutionaries ;-) as a 'local user' - everyone will be Cloud
 users, whether it's Apple's version, Google's or someone else's.
 
 In this vision of the future everything you do on your Computer (Mac or
 otherwise), not just photos, emails and music, will be available
 'immediately' on every other device you have. For this to be possible it is
 imperative that some kind of Low Bandwidth Network File System is used,
 that the system be able to track what are changes and what is content that
 is remaining the same. This is what Versions is based on.

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Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 102, Issue 12

[Jeff Reynolds]

Andre you almost made coffee come out my nose!

Apple damned by the stock market if they dont make things bigger,  
brighter and better at least twice a year and damned by their  
developers when they do!


jeff

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I've heard that Google is dealing with that by shipping a new Android
Emulator in the SDK. This new emulator will randomize the rect of the
device upon every launch with values between 124 and 2048.

=)


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Re: SoCal LUG meeting: 2 February in Pasadena

[Jeff Reynolds]

LOL, i do japanese model trains! didnt think other LCers would be into  
trains! but come to think about it our little japanese model train  
club here does have 4 software folks in it out of like 10 members!


I agree the standalone ability breaking the HC card metaphor does  
cause big issues for beginners and looses the HC simplicity that made  
Hypertalk and its structure take off so well and lead to LC! Ive done  
all sorts of work arounds over the years and they all have their own  
issues.


cheers

jeff


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A lot of tech types like trains. You should see the AMPEX list.   
Right,

Jerry?


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Re: [OT] Interesting Read On Tech In Classrooms vs None

[Jeff Reynolds]

having run a high school computer lab and taught multimedia there its  
really true that they are oversold and underused. it takes a lot of  
creativity and flexibility to find when and where you get a hight bang  
for the buck to use computers in the classroom, otherwise you are just  
spending a lot of time and money that yields negative learning  
returns... i do fear taking the other extreme can be just as  
problematic.


its the content, stupid was my old motto. folks get wrapped up in to  
the tech use/process and forget that its sposta be about the learning  
unless you are in a specialized tech class. for some things you can do  
some wonderfully engaging things with computers and tech in the  
classroom, but its really limited in its scope and requires resources,  
planning, and experience to do it for a positive educational gain. was  
actually a hard concept to get across to some teachers and made some  
battles, but the shining examples eventually won them over to doing  
more planning and limits on how/when the computers were used. others  
hated all technology and it took a time and work to show them some  
places where it could really help.


its like most things the simple rules of, everything in moderation;  
right tool, right task; there is no magic bullet /there is no free  
lunch; tend to be such good guides.


so much of this stuff gets jammed into education by powers above. in  
the late 90s i gave a presentation to the heads of all the bay bells  
about interactive multimedia education. they were all hot with the  
roll out of interactive services via their new systems they thought  
that they could make millions by delivering/selling educational  
materials via tv/computer. i showed them really cool things we had  
done that were very successful, and they were really drooling, but i  
left the last third of the talk to interactively discuss with them the  
other shoe(s) to drop. first these were in very specific, cherry  
picked places where technology really worked great and that was not  
true of the vast majority of things to be taught/exhibited, then the  
cost to develop content to this cool interactive level (jaws dropped).  
then finally i had them estimate how much they spent on educational  
materials themselves (id say most of these guys were in the 7-8 figure  
range of income) and it was pretty pathetically small. i then  
contrasted ok you make over a million dollars a year what do you think  
someone making $40k will spend. big silence. i told them these were  
not a deal breakers, but just moderators and that they needed to  
choose wisely where and when technology should be inserted into  
education to be successful. it was interesting chatting with them over  
the rest of the weekend event as many admitted they were ready to just  
try and jam this down the tubes w/o ever thinking about these things.  
was an eye opener for me at how things were done at that level too...


cheers

jeff

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wrote:



This book is about 10 years old but is still a sobering read:

Larry Cuban
Oversold and Underused: Computers in the Classroom

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.hull.ac.uk/php/edskas/Cuban%2520article%2520-%2520oversold.pdfpli=1

I think I also recently read that some Maine school district that
decided to buy an iPad for every one of its KINDERGARTENERS is the  
same

that previously bought iBooks for an older grade despite no evidence
showing that the iBooks improved student performance.

Judy


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Re: Copying from MS word into RunRev 4.0

[Jeff Reynolds]

Jonathan,

I think this may be fallout from an old MS/Adobe battle. there have  
been problems with the how data was formatted on the clipboard by MS  
and then having issues with pasting into Adobe apps. from all i read  
on that it was a big finger pointing game with adobe saying MS was not  
doing apple standard formatting of their data on the clipboard to make  
it accessible and MS saying it was adobe being stupid on how they  
looked at data on the clipboard... in my experience its gotten worse  
with later revs of word...


it is a muck...

the straight quote does help with similar unicode issues in  
dreamweaver, but there are some other characters like em dashes that  
also give out of bounds character codes.


cheers

jeff


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I blame Microsoft, because this is obviously intentional in some  
fashion. I
think it would be good, though, for RunRev to have a way to access  
to the

full text despire Microsoft's attempt to hide it.


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Re: End of an Era: Steve Jobs

[Jeff Reynolds]

bob,

folks usually react when i use the term monkey brain. i really use it  
to describe the most deep seated parts of what makes us human from our  
evolutionary past. a lot of it are those things we innately react to.  
I think the true art spirit is one of those things and good design  
really is trying to tap the true art spirit. Look at the cave  
paintings, they show how far back the art spirit goes into our past.  
besides watch chimps for a while and then go to the mall!


cheers

jeff

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wrote:


I don't think it has anything to do with monkeys. The monkey brain  
is also wired to fling poo. Monkeys will want to touch and feel an  
iPhone, but the monkey will then want to use it as a hammer to crack  
open a nut or scare off the rival monkeys... ... ... Okay, maybe it  
IS about monkeys after all!!! Sorry all I just had to. :-)


Bob


On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

Jobs also was brilliant on finding those things that are deep in  
the human heart, linked to that basic monkey brain to touch first  
then do the rest.


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Re: End of an Era: Steve Jobs

[Jeff Reynolds]

sorry i have no blog so ill present my thoughts here to the list...

This is an unending discussion with my design partner about the  
current state of design. Gene worked in the Eames office when very  
young and was able to see the magic that someone that has that  
attention to detail and the ability to focus their talents to bring  
the design out -- not create it -- from the chaos. Jobs was one of the  
few folks in any level or power that really understood this with a  
passion and a sheer force of will to make it happen in the last few  
decades. I am really hoping he has left a mark w/in Apple the company  
to nurture this and allow classical design to shine on and not be  
demoted to the level it has at most companies of having the say so  
equal to the rest of the staff on design issues or being done by  
someone who cant do a pencil sketch to save their lives.


there is a reason apple stores are always full of people playing with  
the toys and if you watch they are stroking them and feeling the  
curves on the products. you dont see that kind of basic monkey  
interaction even in a store filled with designer handbags that cost  
$25k each and are thought to be the height of design today... Jobs  
also was brilliant on finding those things that are deep in the human  
heart, linked to that basic monkey brain to touch first then do the  
rest. if you can touch those basic things gracefully and quickly in a  
human they will embrace what you are presenting with a hungry passion.  
it will be truly universal and more immune to the tides of culture and  
style. Even the store itself is done so cleanly that you can take a  
picture from just about any angle and you wont get a bad shot, that is  
really hard to do! the stores strike that fine balance of framing the  
product to set it off cleanly, but fading into the background when the  
eye is onto the product.


I agree with Kevin, luck is a part of it, but Jobs was able to create  
his own luck by both sheer will and also knowing the true basics of  
design as the points to start from applying that fantastic will.


I had to laugh at Kevin's mention of the demos. i saw his second  
public demo of the next cube while a grad student at UC Berkeley. I  
went to see Jobs and the cube but never even thought i would ever even  
think about wanting one -- at $10K, that was a fortune to me at the  
time. It was a tough audience there of folks that respected him, but  
were mostly dubious about this 'business' machine that cost so much.  
well, he spellbound the whole crowd of 1000 or so in the chem lecture  
forum over the hour or so and had every single person walking out the  
door thinking of how they could sell something, mortgage a child, or  
rob a gas station to come up with that $10K. it was truly amazing.


wall street thought his success was brilliant business maneuvers, but  
it was this love of design i think was his ace in the hole to set up  
the business situations (he also is a great business mind as well) to  
his advantage in situations that looked like he could not win.


Jobs, Waz and Atkinson and others at Apple had a profound effect on my  
life over the years and i thank them all deeply for it! they provided  
me with tools that allowed me to do things that i think had a small,  
positive effect on the world and do it in a way that even the design  
of the their tools effected my own design process and sensibilities in  
a positive and productive way.


here is to hoping that his stepdown will give him the time to focus  
that sheer force of will onto his own life and get as much of his  
health back as possible.


cheers

jeff

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wrote:



Thursday, August 25, 2011, 8:40:20 AM, you wrote:


If all Americans loved their work the way he did, we would be
unparalleled in the quality of products we produced.


...and with that in mind...

https://plus.google.com/107117483540235115863/posts/gcSStkKxXTw


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Re: [OT] Amiga OS in 2011

[Jeff Reynolds]

I still have my transparent developer's newton! talk about looks when  
i use to plop that down on a conference table! that and my sinclair  
z80 and my Basis 108 are still alive...


cheers

jeff

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hey I was using a newton up until last year...



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Re: odd stack corruption

[Jeff Reynolds]

Jacqueline,

thanks, thats what i thought with corruption that it would be much  
more dramatic than this. here are the odd things though that still  
dont fit. all groups were named uniquely.


a) this particular card and its groups (groups not used on any other  
cards) were created in probably rev 2.6.1 or earlier before (maybe mc  
as i need to look back at the old archives to see when this card/ 
exhibit was added) the selectgroupcontrols was implemented and not  
touched since. you are right selectgroupcontrols was turned on somehow  
even though i did not when i built it as it does not need that feature  
and was not in the system when i built it. But turning it off does not  
have any effect with the odd behavior or either not being able to edit  
the group or select it in edit mode (other than from selecting from  
the application browser) or the odd making the other group shown when  
clicking in the one odd rectangle area in the top left of the screen


b) if i go back and look at the stack in 2.6.1 (older versions) the  
group shows the opposite behavior in edit mode that either in select  
grouped or ungroup you can only select individual objects, never the  
group. again you can select the group from application browser.


c) there is no feature i think that would make a group always fire (ie  
act like it was in runtime mode for mouse up/down) in edit mode and  
not be selectable in edit mode at all?


d) i went through all scripts that were in the stack that could show  
the group which gets show by mousedown the odd rectangle area and  
commented out the show that group. still gets shown with that click.  
its almost like there is a front script running that is doing it as  
its fired before the script in the buttons under this area are fired.


e) i went through every object on the card to see if it was in the  
area of the odd rectangle hot area and nothing lined up with it at all.


f) turning off messages only stops the scripts from firing in edit  
mode but does not allow the groups or its object from being selected  
with the pointer in edit mode. all other groups on the card behave as  
they should.


f) while i was deleting all the old group objects one button displayed  
the groups' behavior of being active for mouse down/up in edit mode so  
you could not select it in edit mode. again i was able to select it  
through the application browser and delete it.


in the end i rebuilt the whole group and the behavior went away, so it  
was something odd in that group that popped in in the last 5 years or  
so w/o any edits being done to that card. the odd show the other group  
behavior only showed up when the stack went to v4.6 livecode, but the  
mysterious non edit selectablitiy was there all along. i have tried to  
keep all the code pretty centralized in called handlers to keep  
careful track of all pieces in it as its got to be very robust.


Im hoping all is now fine, this was just a really odd behavior that i  
had never seen in 26 years of xtalk programming in HC, plus,  
supercard, toolbook, mc, rev, livecode.


but this stack is now i think 15 years old and has migrated through  
all the metacard/rev versions, so something might have slipped in  
there somewhere. all is functioning fine now so i hope im good for the  
future.


thanks mucho,

jeff





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wrote:



It doesn't sound like corruption, it sounds like the group's
selectGroupedControls property has been turned off. This is a new- 
ish

property that allows a group to behave as a single object. To edit the
group elements, turn that property back on and its individual objects
will become selectable again.

I'm not sure about the other behavior you describe, where visibility  
of

two groups changes, but I'm pretty sure there must be a logical
explanation. Corruption in stacks is not only very rare, but usually
displays as crashes, inability to access a card, or something similar.
I've never heard of corruption changing object behavior. Make sure  
your
two groups have different names, or that you are referring to them  
by a

unique reference like their number or ID.



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odd stack corruption

[Jeff Reynolds]

ok, this is one of the few times i have ever run into stack corruption  
in all my years with hypercard, metacard, rev, livecode...


I have a application for an exhibit that started way back in the early  
metacard days thats been running and evolving for years now. this last  
update i also reved the stack up to 461 as well with a major upgrade  
to one of the exhibit. then i found a really odd situation with one  
card where two groups were interacting oddly. a click in one strange  
area on one group was causing the other hidden group to be show. there  
were no buttons or scripts that could get fired in that area to do  
this show at all. it was also an odd rectangle that lined up with  
nothing in the interact or would show up in the application browser as  
some old thing left behind.


then i tried to go to edit the group that was causing the other to be  
show and in edit mode in select objects or select grouped if you  
clicked on any element of the group it would not select it, but it  
would behave as if in run mode. i could select the group or any of its  
objects from the application browser. i tired ungrouping and then  
regrouping, but any regrouping combination i tried with various parts  
of the old group would create a new group that would instantly be  
given the old group name and behavior. finally i just reconstructed  
the group from newly created objects and that new group behaved  
normally. when i went to delete the old ungrouped objects of the old  
group i found they all behaved as normal objects except one that  
behaved like the old group, not being able to select it with the  
pointer and it still in run mode when the when i was in authoring mode.


once all the old stuff was gone and the new group there and working  
everything seem to then work fine. i went back through old versions  
over the last 7 or so years in earlier versions and i found the  
corruption seems to have been there for a long time with the non  
editable nature, but the odd showing of the other group on clicking in  
one odd area only comes in when the stack moves to 461.


question is should  i be worried about the rest of the stack? has  
anyone seen behavior like this before? should i just keep letting it  
solder on until something else breaks?


this application has been a trooper since the mid 90s running the  
auditorium presentations at the monterey bay aquarium. its grown from  
one exhibit on deep sea exploration to 3 over the years and worked  
with all sorts of equipment, never failing. want to keep this moving  
into the future, but am loathe to recreate the whole software as it  
represents a large amount of development time over the years and also  
runs very specific equipment that is hard to test if im not on site.


suggestions welcome.

thanks

jeff

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playing ipad videos on the video output

[Jeff Reynolds]

Has anyone been able to have a rev ios application that has its  
control interface running on the ipad play a video file on the ipad  
out through the video out cable support?


i have a client that wants to control videos that are played for  
presentations from an ipad and then have the videos played out thru  
the video out cable. i have seen the netfliks app do something like  
this where the video is played out the video file is played on the  
video out cable while their control interface is on the ipad.


i am thinking this would require some pretty specific and down and  
dirty drivers added to rev to control externally played videos.


thanks

jeff

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Re: [OT] time to change your iTunes password?

[Jeff Reynolds]

Peter,

thats cause those cows are for eatin, not milkin! cheese is that  
yeller stuff you put on the burgers!


cheers

jeff (who has about 150 texan relatives)



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Besides, Texas doesn't have any cheese worth mentioning:-)



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Re: OT: Powers of Ten

[Jeff Reynolds]

The eames version was the grand daddy and still holds up decades later

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fKBhvDjuy0

shows the true genius of the eames that their work is just as solid  
and gorgeous today as it was when it came out. they still amaze me.


cheers

jeff


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Completely off any topic, but it's Sunday, so...



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Re: OT: Powers of Ten

[Jeff Reynolds]

Colin,

yes the idea has been around for a long time and done quite a bit in  
all sorts of ways.
The eames version was commissioned by IBM as part of a traveling  
exhibit at the time and based on the 1957 book by Kees Boeke.


yours is a very nice interactive, and i think i may have played with  
it in the past sometime, it tickled some neurons!


The Eames actually did quite a few short films and designed things  
other than chairs, they are just remembered for that the most! they  
did several exhibits for IBM in the 60s and 70s on math and science  
that were really top top notch. also sometime check out tocatta for  
toy trains -- quite fun!


cheers

jeff



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On Dec 13, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

The eames version was the grand daddy and still holds up decades  
later



One bit of trivia, the powers of ten idea was sent to the Natural  
History Museum on the 1920s, and the one I did was based on that  
original suggestion. I'm not sure if Eames thought of it himself  
too, while building chairs, but he may have also known about the  
1920s letter.



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