Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 9/2/20 8:22 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Looks like revGLX2 status.


Interesting. I don't have that problem.
I see a different problem though.
I just tried minimizing Navigator and it's more or less centered on my 
main screen, but it's also unmovable when minimized, which is annoying.


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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Looks like revGLX2 status.

Bob S


On Sep 2, 2020, at 7:15 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi Bob,

Goes to show how important user research is. For me personally, I want to
get Navigator out of the way entirely when I minimize it. It's trivial to
have a preference to make it minimize in place. But also: I went to some
length to have it avoid minimizing behind/on top of (don't remember which
way it went) the menu bar. I think I could easily both:

1. Offer a preference to minimize where it is
2. Automatically avoid overlapping the GLX2 bar. Can you send me the name
of any stacks involved to avoid? I haven't looked, but I think it would be
as simple as adding a stack name to a list.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:09 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Hi Sean. I concur with Geoff. There were quite a while ago issues, but
Geoff got on them and now I use Navigator all the time. The only thing I
will say Geoff is that when I drag the window to a location, I would like
it to remain there, even when minimized. It always reverts to a default
location when first opened, which happens to overlap the GLX2 bar.

Bob S

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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

Hi Bob,

Goes to show how important user research is. For me personally, I want to
get Navigator out of the way entirely when I minimize it. It's trivial to
have a preference to make it minimize in place. But also: I went to some
length to have it avoid minimizing behind/on top of (don't remember which
way it went) the menu bar. I think I could easily both:

1. Offer a preference to minimize where it is
2. Automatically avoid overlapping the GLX2 bar. Can you send me the name
of any stacks involved to avoid? I haven't looked, but I think it would be
as simple as adding a stack name to a list.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:09 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean. I concur with Geoff. There were quite a while ago issues, but
> Geoff got on them and now I use Navigator all the time. The only thing I
> will say Geoff is that when I drag the window to a location, I would like
> it to remain there, even when minimized. It always reverts to a default
> location when first opened, which happens to overlap the GLX2 bar.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hey Sean,
>
> Late to the conversation because Navigator is a hobby, but: I've worked
> *really* hard to make drag-and-drop relayering work properly.
>
> I've implemented it almost from scratch something like five times over the
> years, each time because I reached a dead end with the previous method (or
> sometimes because I'd reached a dead end with the previous method of
> implementing drag and drop.
>
> Which is to say: drag and drop has a large number of special cases, and is
> very hard to get right. Anyone attempting it has my sympathies.
>
> *That* said, there are only a very small number of problematic use cases in
> Navigator that I know of. If the latest (which has been out for some time
> now) update of Navigator doesn't relayer the way you think it should, email
> me directly and let me know.
>
> gc
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

The pb sucks.
however, HACKTOERFEST IS COMING!  Issue some PR's to fix the PB in
Hacktober, get some swag...
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hi Sean. I concur with Geoff. There were quite a while ago issues, but Geoff 
got on them and now I use Navigator all the time. The only thing I will say 
Geoff is that when I drag the window to a location, I would like it to remain 
there, even when minimized. It always reverts to a default location when first 
opened, which happens to overlap the GLX2 bar.

Bob S


On Aug 29, 2020, at 12:54 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hey Sean,

Late to the conversation because Navigator is a hobby, but: I've worked
*really* hard to make drag-and-drop relayering work properly.

I've implemented it almost from scratch something like five times over the
years, each time because I reached a dead end with the previous method (or
sometimes because I'd reached a dead end with the previous method of
implementing drag and drop.

Which is to say: drag and drop has a large number of special cases, and is
very hard to get right. Anyone attempting it has my sympathies.

*That* said, there are only a very small number of problematic use cases in
Navigator that I know of. If the latest (which has been out for some time
now) update of Navigator doesn't relayer the way you think it should, email
me directly and let me know.

gc

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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Geoff Canyon via use-livecode]

Hey Sean,

Late to the conversation because Navigator is a hobby, but: I've worked
*really* hard to make drag-and-drop relayering work properly.

I've implemented it almost from scratch something like five times over the
years, each time because I reached a dead end with the previous method (or
sometimes because I'd reached a dead end with the previous method of
implementing drag and drop.

Which is to say: drag and drop has a large number of special cases, and is
very hard to get right. Anyone attempting it has my sympathies.

*That* said, there are only a very small number of problematic use cases in
Navigator that I know of. If the latest (which has been out for some time
now) update of Navigator doesn't relayer the way you think it should, email
me directly and let me know.

gc

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 1:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> @Matthias Rebbe 
>
> Were are just replacing issues with new issues. Just looked at the github
> for 'Navigator' only to see a heap of unresolved issues there too!
> https://github.com/gcanyon/navigator/issues
>
> This seriously sucks!
>
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital*
>
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:45, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Sean,
> >
> > my answer will not solve your problems with the Project Browser...
> > but did you already try Geoff Canyons Navigator
> >
> > https://gcanyon.wixsite.com/navigator <
> >
> https://bowtie.mailbutler.io/tracking/hit/5524ddd4-763e-47f2-b835-0050b8a7fe6f/693e8792-fedc-482a-9940-e98f47b6ee1a
> > >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/kz3zqi4botzglgq/navigator.zip?dl=1 <
> >
> https://bowtie.mailbutler.io/tracking/hit/5524ddd4-763e-47f2-b835-0050b8a7fe6f/9596c7b6-a84d-40ae-96c9-b3578d222b9f
> > >
> >
> > Navigator allows also to "relayer" objects by dragging and there it even
> > works.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -
> > Matthias Rebbe
> > Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> >
> > > Am 12.08.2020 um 19:42 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > And when you are in a group editing mode, the layers in the Project
> > Browser
> > > are messed up beyond use. HOW?? Why has this STILL not been fixed since
> > > v6 I'm just tired of asking. I'm stressed! Up against a deadline
> > > (Again). No budget to pay the ridiculous fees LC ask. And absolutely no
> > way
> > > out... again! It blows my mind how I keep putting myself in this
> > situation
> > > for LC to KEEP letting me down because of stupid dumb ass issues that
> > don't
> > > get fixed!
> > >
> > > Frustrated.
> > >
> > > Sean
> > >
> > > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:29, Sean Cole (Pi) 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> Why is this still an issue? I find it so hard putting layers in the
> > right
> > >> order. It just gets me down when I have fast turnaround jobs that are
> > held
> > >> up because of STUPID frikin issues like this. Over and over again
> > >>
> > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qakyg8bu8bdamhn/LayerControl.mov?dl=0
> > >>
> > >> LC would be brilliant if it wasn't so crap all the time.
> > >>
> > >> Sean Cole
> > >>
> > >> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> > >>
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RE: Layers in PBrowser

[Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode]

In my opinion the only HTML5 visual development tool which comes close to 
cross-platform development dealing with a solid rendering  is Sencha Touch 
(Architect) but you need to learn ExtAngular or ExtReact and
It is pricey. And every tool has his pros and cons so also this one.

Just my two cents in this difficult thread.


-Original Message-
From: use-livecode  On Behalf Of 
JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode
Sent: zaterdag 15 augustus 2020 17:03
To: Pi Digital via use-livecode 
Cc: JeeJeeStudio 
Subject: Re: Layers in PBrowser

Maybe switch over in time to ReactNative and Node.js using JavaScript?

I'm exploring these, cause it runs also on muliple platform, though there we're 
not as spoiled as with Livecode, but I guess most things are in your own hand 
then.

First thing i see is the almost instantly change you get to see on for example 
the Android Emulator. So it's more a website which one writes and runs almost 
everywhere with some extra functions.

Well a lot to learun for me (don't want to hijack this thread but maybe as an 
alternative, cause i saw on your website you do also JavaScript)

Op 15-8-2020 om 09:49 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode:
> I give up :(
>
> Sean
>>
>>> On 15 Aug 2020, at 08:41, Pi Digital  wrote:
>>>
>>> What make you say I will? iChat reason for I have to Trust what you say. 
>>> There is NO WAY there have been no bugs in the software unless it’s 
>>> perfect. The fact there is only 16 bugs listed under LCFM tells a massive 
>>> story that no one is effing using it. The forums are empty other than 
>>> people on the FM one saying it’s not worth bothering with - unless you can 
>>> point me to crap load that says otherwise  There is NO WAY that people are 
>>> using it and not asking question about how to use it unless ALL ATTENTION 
>>> of the LC team has been drawn away to it to the detriment of everyone else 
>>> in this community meaning that the other things have effectively become 
>>> abandonware. There is literally No Evidence to back up your optimistic 
>>> claims of fortitude. PLEASE prove me wrong, I beg of you! Heather has done 
>>> a shed load of Blog posts on the LCFM site and NOTHING on the standard LC 
>>> site! HTML5 Deployment, which i am completely dependent on except for a few 
>>> other little projects here and there, is simply not being worked on despite 
>>> several reassurances from the mothership it ‘would’ be worked on. PLEASE, 
>>> prove me wrong!! Because at the moment it has left me REALLY peaved off 
>>> that the only thing they have fixed is the frikin delete key when none of 
>>> the other modifier keys, arrow keys, escape key, copy paste, or other 
>>> simple tings have been done. In over six months since I was sat at a table 
>>> with Ian from LC and literally showed him face to face the issues with it.
>>>
>>> With respect, from experience, anyone who says ‘some day you will’ is full 
>>> of crap (like some 3yr old shaking his fist at you)! Empty words. Show me 
>>> the evidence. I’ve dug deep and find nothing.
>>>
>>> Sean Cole
>>> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>>>
>>>
>>> eMail Ts & Cs
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2020, at 04:45, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>> On August 14, 2020 8:10:59 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode" 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, just to summarize the issue:
>>>>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm
>>>> I'd hardly call 16 bugs "abandonware". They've fixed far more than that. 
>>>> LCFM is important. I know you don't believe it, but some day I think you 
>>>> will.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive 
>>>> Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[JeeJeeStudio via use-livecode]

Maybe switch over in time to ReactNative and Node.js using JavaScript?

I'm exploring these, cause it runs also on muliple platform, though 
there we're not as spoiled as with Livecode, but I guess most things are 
in your own hand then.


First thing i see is the almost instantly change you get to see on for 
example the Android Emulator. So it's more a website which one writes 
and runs almost everywhere with some extra functions.


Well a lot to learun for me (don't want to hijack this thread but maybe 
as an alternative, cause i saw on your website you do also JavaScript)


Op 15-8-2020 om 09:49 schreef Pi Digital via use-livecode:

I give up :(

Sean



On 15 Aug 2020, at 08:41, Pi Digital  wrote:

What make you say I will? iChat reason for I have to Trust what you say. There 
is NO WAY there have been no bugs in the software unless it’s perfect. The fact 
there is only 16 bugs listed under LCFM tells a massive story that no one is 
effing using it. The forums are empty other than people on the FM one saying 
it’s not worth bothering with - unless you can point me to crap load that says 
otherwise  There is NO WAY that people are using it and not asking question 
about how to use it unless ALL ATTENTION of the LC team has been drawn away to 
it to the detriment of everyone else in this community meaning that the other 
things have effectively become abandonware. There is literally No Evidence to 
back up your optimistic claims of fortitude. PLEASE prove me wrong, I beg of 
you! Heather has done a shed load of Blog posts on the LCFM site and NOTHING on 
the standard LC site! HTML5 Deployment, which i am completely dependent on 
except for a few other little projects here and there, is simply not being 
worked on despite several reassurances from the mothership it ‘would’ be worked 
on. PLEASE, prove me wrong!! Because at the moment it has left me REALLY peaved 
off that the only thing they have fixed is the frikin delete key when none of 
the other modifier keys, arrow keys, escape key, copy paste, or other simple 
tings have been done. In over six months since I was sat at a table with Ian 
from LC and literally showed him face to face the issues with it.

With respect, from experience, anyone who says ‘some day you will’ is full of 
crap (like some 3yr old shaking his fist at you)! Empty words. Show me the 
evidence. I’ve dug deep and find nothing.

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd


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On 15 Aug 2020, at 04:45, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 wrote:


On August 14, 2020 8:10:59 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode" 
 wrote:


Oh, just to summarize the issue:
https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm

I'd hardly call 16 bugs "abandonware". They've fixed far more than that. LCFM 
is important. I know you don't believe it, but some day I think you will.

--
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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com



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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

I give up :(

Sean
> 
> 
>> On 15 Aug 2020, at 08:41, Pi Digital  wrote:
>> 
>> What make you say I will? iChat reason for I have to Trust what you say. 
>> There is NO WAY there have been no bugs in the software unless it’s perfect. 
>> The fact there is only 16 bugs listed under LCFM tells a massive story that 
>> no one is effing using it. The forums are empty other than people on the FM 
>> one saying it’s not worth bothering with - unless you can point me to crap 
>> load that says otherwise  There is NO WAY that people are using it and not 
>> asking question about how to use it unless ALL ATTENTION of the LC team has 
>> been drawn away to it to the detriment of everyone else in this community 
>> meaning that the other things have effectively become abandonware. There is 
>> literally No Evidence to back up your optimistic claims of fortitude. PLEASE 
>> prove me wrong, I beg of you! Heather has done a shed load of Blog posts on 
>> the LCFM site and NOTHING on the standard LC site! HTML5 Deployment, which i 
>> am completely dependent on except for a few other little projects here and 
>> there, is simply not being worked on despite several reassurances from the 
>> mothership it ‘would’ be worked on. PLEASE, prove me wrong!! Because at the 
>> moment it has left me REALLY peaved off that the only thing they have fixed 
>> is the frikin delete key when none of the other modifier keys, arrow keys, 
>> escape key, copy paste, or other simple tings have been done. In over six 
>> months since I was sat at a table with Ian from LC and literally showed him 
>> face to face the issues with it. 
>> 
>> With respect, from experience, anyone who says ‘some day you will’ is full 
>> of crap (like some 3yr old shaking his fist at you)! Empty words. Show me 
>> the evidence. I’ve dug deep and find nothing.
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
>> 
>> 
>> eMail Ts & Cs
>> 
>> 
> On 15 Aug 2020, at 04:45, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>>> On August 14, 2020 8:10:59 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Oh, just to summarize the issue:
 https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm
>>> 
>>> I'd hardly call 16 bugs "abandonware". They've fixed far more than that. 
>>> LCFM is important. I know you don't believe it, but some day I think you 
>>> will.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

IChat I’m first line should have been ‘What’. Stupid autocorrect. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd


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> On 15 Aug 2020, at 08:41, Pi Digital  wrote:
> 
> What make you say I will? iChat reason for I have to Trust what you say. 
> There is NO WAY there have been no bugs in the software unless it’s perfect. 
> The fact there is only 16 bugs listed under LCFM tells a massive story that 
> no one is effing using it. The forums are empty other than people on the FM 
> one saying it’s not worth bothering with - unless you can point me to crap 
> load that says otherwise  There is NO WAY that people are using it and not 
> asking question about how to use it unless ALL ATTENTION of the LC team has 
> been drawn away to it to the detriment of everyone else in this community 
> meaning that the other things have effectively become abandonware. There is 
> literally No Evidence to back up your optimistic claims of fortitude. PLEASE 
> prove me wrong, I beg of you! Heather has done a shed load of Blog posts on 
> the LCFM site and NOTHING on the standard LC site! HTML5 Deployment, which i 
> am completely dependent on except for a few other little projects here and 
> there, is simply not being worked on despite several reassurances from the 
> mothership it ‘would’ be worked on. PLEASE, prove me wrong!! Because at the 
> moment it has left me REALLY peaved off that the only thing they have fixed 
> is the frikin delete key when none of the other modifier keys, arrow keys, 
> escape key, copy paste, or other simple tings have been done. In over six 
> months since I was sat at a table with Ian from LC and literally showed him 
> face to face the issues with it. 
> 
> With respect, from experience, anyone who says ‘some day you will’ is full of 
> crap (like some 3yr old shaking his fist at you)! Empty words. Show me the 
> evidence. I’ve dug deep and find nothing. 
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital Productions Ltd
> 
> 
> eMail Ts & Cs
> 
> 
>>> On 15 Aug 2020, at 04:45, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> On August 14, 2020 8:10:59 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh, just to summarize the issue:
>>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm
>> 
>> I'd hardly call 16 bugs "abandonware". They've fixed far more than that. 
>> LCFM is important. I know you don't believe it, but some day I think you 
>> will.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

What make you say I will? iChat reason for I have to Trust what you say. There 
is NO WAY there have been no bugs in the software unless it’s perfect. The fact 
there is only 16 bugs listed under LCFM tells a massive story that no one is 
effing using it. The forums are empty other than people on the FM one saying 
it’s not worth bothering with - unless you can point me to crap load that says 
otherwise  There is NO WAY that people are using it and not asking question 
about how to use it unless ALL ATTENTION of the LC team has been drawn away to 
it to the detriment of everyone else in this community meaning that the other 
things have effectively become abandonware. There is literally No Evidence to 
back up your optimistic claims of fortitude. PLEASE prove me wrong, I beg of 
you! Heather has done a shed load of Blog posts on the LCFM site and NOTHING on 
the standard LC site! HTML5 Deployment, which i am completely dependent on 
except for a few other little projects here and there, is simply not being 
worked on despite several reassurances from the mothership it ‘would’ be worked 
on. PLEASE, prove me wrong!! Because at the moment it has left me REALLY peaved 
off that the only thing they have fixed is the frikin delete key when none of 
the other modifier keys, arrow keys, escape key, copy paste, or other simple 
tings have been done. In over six months since I was sat at a table with Ian 
from LC and literally showed him face to face the issues with it. 

With respect, from experience, anyone who says ‘some day you will’ is full of 
crap (like some 3yr old shaking his fist at you)! Empty words. Show me the 
evidence. I’ve dug deep and find nothing. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd


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> On 15 Aug 2020, at 04:45, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On August 14, 2020 8:10:59 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Oh, just to summarize the issue:
>> https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm
> 
> I'd hardly call 16 bugs "abandonware". They've fixed far more than that. LCFM 
> is important. I know you don't believe it, but some day I think you will.
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

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On August 14, 2020 8:10:59 PM "Sean Cole \(Pi\) via use-livecode" 
 wrote:



Oh, just to summarize the issue:
https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm


I'd hardly call 16 bugs "abandonware". They've fixed far more than that. 
LCFM is important. I know you don't believe it, but some day I think you will.


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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Oh, just to summarize the issue:
https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm

If an object you wish to move between group layers is on the root of the
card it is not a problem. As soon as all of those layers (groups and
objects) get nested into a group, that's when things start bouncing
around and not going where you want them.

So, thinking about it, this is actually more likely an IDE issue and a bug
rather than an Engine problem with backwards compatibility side-effects.

Here's the main script:
https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/blob/develop/Toolset/palettes/project%20browser/revprojectbrowserbehavior.livecodescript#L2121

Line 2121 >> 2302
By the look of line 870, Layers were going to be addressed but never saw
the light of day. It gets declared but never used.

And, of course, we have the raw:
https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/blob/develop/Toolset/palettes/project%20browser/revideprojectbrowser.livecode

Awww, and I love this comment at the top of this file btw:
https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/blob/develop/Toolset/libraries/revideprojectbrowserlibrary.livecodescript

This library has been added as a stopgap in order to prevent errors which
> occur because

of interactions between the old project browser and binary stacks which
> otherwise could

only be fixed by forking the binary stack for the 8.0 IDE.

5 effing years ago -- ;D LMAO

Ali did this bug fix, supposedly, back in Apr2016, which is second to the
last commit in Aug2016!:
https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/commit/a5d137688a2e1abe72823c6ce0d7cb8fa8fb1f22#diff-d70adda35c18162b698c70f94170c58d
Because it's part of the binary where he did the (non-) 'fix', there's no
way of seeing what he did. Only the behaviour had been scriptified way back
in 2015. All the rest is held either in other behaviour scripts or the
Stack object scripts which is where it gets exceedingly messy.

This one seems interesting for the drag-drop part, after line 420:
https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/blob/develop/Toolset/palettes/project%20browser/behaviors/revideprojectbrowsercontainerrowbehavior.livecodescript

That's my homework assignment for you. See what you can faff with. For what
it's worth...

Mr Pi
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box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

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On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 01:25, Sean Cole (Pi)  wrote:

> Thanks Richard, Brian and Mark.
>
> Now that the rush is over I can breathe and try to work this out, again,
> to make it simple for even simpletons to understand! ;) It is, as said
> before, an issue that has been an issue for 6 years, gets poo-poo'd and
> ignored along with the plethora of other fundamental issues in favour of
> adding new features that get partially completed and stupid expensive $500
> plugins no one will buy!
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3vu13khoscqjvk/LayersFail.mov?dl=0
>
> I've tried it on Linux, Windoze and MacOS. This is created in LC9.6.0
> Stable. Not from a binary or an old version (thanks for the suggestion,
> Brian, but I was working on a brand new, quick turn-around project - 3 days
> to produce a fully working TV Gameshow onscreen graphics application from
> _**scratch**_ - LC rocks when it's not complete turd!),
>
> If it's, as Jacque infers, down to how layers are handled then it's
> probably an Engine thing. Indeed, Mark@LC does indeed infer this too in
> one of the bug reports. As Richard says, this could produce Backwards
> Compatibility issues. But I never understand why that should stop it from
> being fixed. The 'just the way it is' card should NEVER prevent progress
> and improvement. The old engines and versions still exist and can be used
> until the old apps are brought up to date. Old code and methods are often
> deprecated in our business in all languages. So why not improve, ney, FIX
> the g-damned dysfunctional layering? Pathetic excuses, that's why!
>
> I've looked through all of the IDE code and it's a serious mess! Much like
> the stupid dictionary browser that's got itself stuck in the 1950s somehow.
> I think Turing had something to do with it. :/ But, as Mark@AHS
> mentioned, even if I did find a fix and offered it, because it's a binary
> it cant be easily posted up on Github and LC seem to have gone to the
> isolation ward since lockdown (and about 6mths before as well). Our very
> breath here is wasted because, as is noted by the lack of noise from LC
> despite their chipping in on other conversations on this forum, PB is not a
> subject LC are even remotely interested in. Based on the volley of issues
> on Bugzilla I cherry-picked from related to PB not working, barely any 

Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Thanks Richard, Brian and Mark.

Now that the rush is over I can breathe and try to work this out, again, to
make it simple for even simpletons to understand! ;) It is, as said before,
an issue that has been an issue for 6 years, gets poo-poo'd and ignored
along with the plethora of other fundamental issues in favour of adding new
features that get partially completed and stupid expensive $500 plugins no
one will buy!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3vu13khoscqjvk/LayersFail.mov?dl=0

I've tried it on Linux, Windoze and MacOS. This is created in LC9.6.0
Stable. Not from a binary or an old version (thanks for the suggestion,
Brian, but I was working on a brand new, quick turn-around project - 3 days
to produce a fully working TV Gameshow onscreen graphics application from
_**scratch**_ - LC rocks when it's not complete turd!),

If it's, as Jacque infers, down to how layers are handled then it's
probably an Engine thing. Indeed, Mark@LC does indeed infer this too in one
of the bug reports. As Richard says, this could produce Backwards
Compatibility issues. But I never understand why that should stop it from
being fixed. The 'just the way it is' card should NEVER prevent progress
and improvement. The old engines and versions still exist and can be used
until the old apps are brought up to date. Old code and methods are often
deprecated in our business in all languages. So why not improve, ney, FIX
the g-damned dysfunctional layering? Pathetic excuses, that's why!

I've looked through all of the IDE code and it's a serious mess! Much like
the stupid dictionary browser that's got itself stuck in the 1950s somehow.
I think Turing had something to do with it. :/ But, as Mark@AHS mentioned,
even if I did find a fix and offered it, because it's a binary it cant be
easily posted up on Github and LC seem to have gone to the isolation ward
since lockdown (and about 6mths before as well). Our very breath here is
wasted because, as is noted by the lack of noise from LC despite their
chipping in on other conversations on this forum, PB is not a subject LC
are even remotely interested in. Based on the volley of issues on Bugzilla
I cherry-picked from related to PB not working, barely any have been
touched in the last 6yrs despite being confirmed.

HTML5 deployment is abandonware (I'm going to have to ask for a refund
on my two three year licences for it after all the failed promises of it
NOT being abandonware). Project Browser is abandonware. Widgets and the LC
marketplace, abandonware. Script editor, Abandonware. Monte's mergext
suite, practically abandonware. LCFM Native, definitely abandonware (
https://quality.livecode.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lcfm) for all the
money they fed into that amazing waste of time. LC itself?? Heading that
way.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *

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> On 8/14/20 3:33 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > If I can get a stack that demonstrates the issue, I would like to poke
> around and see if anything jumps out.  If it is engine level, it is
> probably a bit out of my lane (although I have contributed a few lines of
> C++).  If it is IDE I may have a better chance.
>
> Brian-
>
> I'm pretty sure this is IDE-level and not in the engine. But I've stuck
> my toe into the PB pool before and I'm not inclined to go there again.
> Plus at the rate my pull requests get ignored I'm not very motivated to
> try to fix things.
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

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On 8/14/20 3:33 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:


If I can get a stack that demonstrates the issue, I would like to poke around 
and see if anything jumps out.  If it is engine level, it is probably a bit out 
of my lane (although I have contributed a few lines of C++).  If it is IDE I 
may have a better chance.


Brian-

I'm pretty sure this is IDE-level and not in the engine. But I've stuck 
my toe into the PB pool before and I'm not inclined to go there again. 
Plus at the rate my pull requests get ignored I'm not very motivated to 
try to fix things.


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Re: Layers in PBrowser

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Sean

I really didn’t mean to imply the issue didn’t exist and was truly attempting 
to reproduce the environment as closely as possible to see the issue.  I went 
as far as choosing the same object types and structure for the card as in the 
video including visibility.

Is this a stack that originated in an earlier binary format?  If so, then that 
first bug report contains a key piece of information that I didn’t have before.

If I can get a stack that demonstrates the issue, I would like to poke around 
and see if anything jumps out.  If it is engine level, it is probably a bit out 
of my lane (although I have contributed a few lines of C++).  If it is IDE I 
may have a better chance.

Thanks,
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sean Cole wrote:
> 
>> Richard
>> Watch my videos I posted using Dropbox. It’s madness. And it’s been 
>> CONFIRMED and NOT FIXED for a very long time
> 
> There was more than one video, and several others also reported being unable 
> to reproduce the issue, so my question for Tom was seeking clarity on which 
> recipe I should be following.
> 
> With your guidance here, I've now simplified my effort to try to understand 
> the issue that prompted this thread by skipping your other posts, and have 
> reviewed only the first video.
> 
> If I get time to set up a sample stack, or if you have one to share, I'm 
> happy to try it here to see if I can help steward that toward a fix.
> 
> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18818
> 
> This seems directly related to the core issue of this thread, and I have 
> subscribed myself to that report. Thanks for providing the link.
> 
> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19455
> 
> Per Mark Waddingham's comment #2 there, this one is an engine issue, and may 
> have backward compatibility issues if changed.
> 
> Mark provides there guidance on using the relayerGroupedControls property to 
> do such scripting much more easily, as well as using the relayer command for 
> even greater ease.
> 
> It may be part of what brings about the core issue of this thread, but I'm 
> unable to determine of that's the case from the information in the report.
> 
> 
>> Probably FIXED but still marked as CONFIRMED
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21460
> 
> While status hasn't been changed since flagged as "Confirmed", another user 
> reports being unable to reproduce it in recent versions.
> 
> Is this one still affecting your work?
> 
> 
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22698
> 
> This one has a pull request submitted in May, and as far as I can tell would 
> seem fixed now.  If it's still affecting your work please note that in the 
> report, and if not please add a note there suggesting the status be changed 
> to "Resolved".
> 
> They're usually pretty good about closing bug reports related to the work 
> they're doing, but there's a lot in the DB and understandably the miss a 
> status update now and then.
> 
> 
> >  Frikin people who say ‘I can’t reproduce’ when it is clearly
> > demonstrated in a frikin video EXACTLY what is happening! Does my nut
> > in!!
> 
> Please understand that most folks here are earnestly trying to help.  I know 
> people like Brian and Jacque personally, and I feel very confident in saying 
> they only bring their best intentions to this list.
> 
> When Brian says he was unable to reproduce an issue, he isn't saying the 
> issue doesn't exist; like me, he's looking for details which might help it 
> become reproducible on his own machine so he can help further the process 
> toward a fix.
> 
> When Jacque suggests trying the App Browser as an alternative, she isn't 
> trying to undermine your desire to use the Project Browser, she's just 
> hearing very clearly that you have an immediate need based on a pressing 
> deadline, and offering a simple solution to get you through that task so your 
> project can meet with success within the time allowed.
> 
> 
> > 2c: I wasn’t after more workarounds. I want to highlight how crap
> > like this NEVER gets fixed or dealt with and continues being poop.
> > Someone (Mark, Ali, Sam, Ian, Kevin, Heather, anyone) needs to start
> > fixing shite like this that has been around the last 6 years!
> 
> Workarounds are for us; fixes are for us and the company.
> 
> We benefit with either; all we want is to finish our task and move on to the 
> next.
> 
> The company benefits most from true fixes, improving the out-of-the-box 
> experience to increase conversions while decreasing attrition.
> 
> Their priorities are theirs; mine are mine.  When I finish meeting my own 
> business' revenue and growth goals, I'll be happy to pass along to them what 
> I learned if they ask.  In the meantime, they have no shortage of guidance to 
> choose from, and much of it is mutually exclusive, so I'll leave their 
> business in their hands while I attend to my own.
> 
> 

Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Sean Cole wrote:


Richard

Watch my videos I posted using Dropbox. It’s madness. And it’s been CONFIRMED 
and NOT FIXED for a very long time


There was more than one video, and several others also reported being 
unable to reproduce the issue, so my question for Tom was seeking 
clarity on which recipe I should be following.


With your guidance here, I've now simplified my effort to try to 
understand the issue that prompted this thread by skipping your other 
posts, and have reviewed only the first video.


If I get time to set up a sample stack, or if you have one to share, I'm 
happy to try it here to see if I can help steward that toward a fix.




https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18818


This seems directly related to the core issue of this thread, and I have 
subscribed myself to that report. Thanks for providing the link.




https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19455


Per Mark Waddingham's comment #2 there, this one is an engine issue, and 
may have backward compatibility issues if changed.


Mark provides there guidance on using the relayerGroupedControls 
property to do such scripting much more easily, as well as using the 
relayer command for even greater ease.


It may be part of what brings about the core issue of this thread, but 
I'm unable to determine of that's the case from the information in the 
report.




Probably FIXED but still marked as CONFIRMED

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21460


While status hasn't been changed since flagged as "Confirmed", another 
user reports being unable to reproduce it in recent versions.


Is this one still affecting your work?



https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22698


This one has a pull request submitted in May, and as far as I can tell 
would seem fixed now.  If it's still affecting your work please note 
that in the report, and if not please add a note there suggesting the 
status be changed to "Resolved".


They're usually pretty good about closing bug reports related to the 
work they're doing, but there's a lot in the DB and understandably the 
miss a status update now and then.



>  Frikin people who say ‘I can’t reproduce’ when it is clearly
> demonstrated in a frikin video EXACTLY what is happening! Does my nut
> in!!

Please understand that most folks here are earnestly trying to help.  I 
know people like Brian and Jacque personally, and I feel very confident 
in saying they only bring their best intentions to this list.


When Brian says he was unable to reproduce an issue, he isn't saying the 
issue doesn't exist; like me, he's looking for details which might help 
it become reproducible on his own machine so he can help further the 
process toward a fix.


When Jacque suggests trying the App Browser as an alternative, she isn't 
trying to undermine your desire to use the Project Browser, she's just 
hearing very clearly that you have an immediate need based on a pressing 
deadline, and offering a simple solution to get you through that task so 
your project can meet with success within the time allowed.



> 2c: I wasn’t after more workarounds. I want to highlight how crap
> like this NEVER gets fixed or dealt with and continues being poop.
> Someone (Mark, Ali, Sam, Ian, Kevin, Heather, anyone) needs to start
> fixing shite like this that has been around the last 6 years!

Workarounds are for us; fixes are for us and the company.

We benefit with either; all we want is to finish our task and move on to 
the next.


The company benefits most from true fixes, improving the out-of-the-box 
experience to increase conversions while decreasing attrition.


Their priorities are theirs; mine are mine.  When I finish meeting my 
own business' revenue and growth goals, I'll be happy to pass along to 
them what I learned if they ask.  In the meantime, they have no shortage 
of guidance to choose from, and much of it is mutually exclusive, so 
I'll leave their business in their hands while I attend to my own.


There's a maxim from a Chinese emperor many dynasties ago which I've 
found useful in all my relationships, personal and professional:


  When I feel the desire to discipline another,
  I first discipline myself two-fold.
  If I am successful,
  I then ask myself if I still feel
  the desire to discipline another.

--
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 Fourth World Systems
 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

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Richard

Watch my videos I posted using Dropbox. It’s madness. And it’s been CONFIRMED 
and NOT FIXED for a very long time

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18818

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19455

Probably FIXED but still marked as CONFIRMED

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21460

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22698

RantyBit (BOOL *withTruthElement){
Which also demonstrates why bugzilla lives up to its name as an unwieldy 
monster, unmanaged and out of control. Heaps and heaps of UNCONFIRMED and 
CONFIRMED items that have not been dealt with, shelved or FIXED. Too busy 
creating ‘new features’ or working on FMPro stuff that no one is using 
(https://community.claris.com/en/s/question/0D50H7PK9tH/current-state-of-livecode-for-fm)
 rather than fix all the basics. Or, based on the rate of pull requests, sweet 
fa. 

 Frikin people who say ‘I can’t reproduce’ when it is clearly demonstrated 
in a frikin video EXACTLY what is happening! Does my nut in!! I *have* got BPD, 
but any ‘normal’ person would get infuriated by this behaviour from those 
outside and is the usual barrage of unhelpfulness that comes from the afore 
mentioned ‘You People’! And I am saying this “after some sleep” and “a fresh 
look” as prescribed by other ‘you people’ I this thread.

2c: I wasn’t after more workarounds. I want to highlight how crap like this 
NEVER gets fixed or dealt with and continues being poop. Someone (Mark, Ali, 
Sam, Ian, Kevin, Heather, anyone) needs to start fixing shite like this that 
has been around the last 6 years! Things looked promising when Panos came on 
board and was ploughing through heaps of bugs. But that’s all slowed to a 
deadening thud too. Lockdown was an opportunity that looks like has been 
squandered. Little to no (meaningful) communication other than begging for more 
cash. Hmpf!
}

Sean Cole
Pi Digital


> On 14 Aug 2020, at 05:15, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tom, I'm among the several here who have been unable to reproduce the 
> original issue discussed here, at least as I understood it.
> 
> Perhaps I misunderstand it. What is the recipe for the bug you're referring 
> to?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> 
> 
> Tom Glod wote:
>> Yikes.. I have a lot of time for LC but there is really no excuse that
>> is acceptable for this kinda bug to be around for so long there were
>> others that drove me nuts for years too...but have since been solved thank
>> God.
>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 7:53 AM David V Glasgow via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On 13 Aug 2020, at 4:16 am, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Why do I have the same discussion with you people
>>> 
>>> Hi Sean, There are no ‘you people’, there is only us, including you.
>>> 
>>> I can’t help you with your IDE problem, but I can see that others are
>>> trying hard to be helpful, and that you are running on empty.
>>> 
>>> Maybe get some sleep and revisit the issue when you are feeling refreshed?
>>> 
> 
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Tom, I'm among the several here who have been unable to reproduce the 
original issue discussed here, at least as I understood it.


Perhaps I misunderstand it. What is the recipe for the bug you're 
referring to?


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Tom Glod wote:

Yikes.. I have a lot of time for LC but there is really no excuse that
is acceptable for this kinda bug to be around for so long there were
others that drove me nuts for years too...but have since been solved thank
God.


On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 7:53 AM David V Glasgow via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:




> On 13 Aug 2020, at 4:16 am, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Why do I have the same discussion with you people

Hi Sean, There are no ‘you people’, there is only us, including you.

I can’t help you with your IDE problem, but I can see that others are
trying hard to be helpful, and that you are running on empty.

Maybe get some sleep and revisit the issue when you are feeling refreshed?




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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

Yikes.. I have a lot of time for LC but there is really no excuse that
is acceptable for this kinda bug to be around for so long there were
others that drove me nuts for years too...but have since been solved thank
God.


On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 7:53 AM David V Glasgow via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On 13 Aug 2020, at 4:16 am, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Why do I have the same discussion with you people
>
> Hi Sean, There are no ‘you people’, there is only us, including you.
>
> I can’t help you with your IDE problem, but I can see that others are
> trying hard to be helpful, and that you are running on empty.
>
> Maybe get some sleep and revisit the issue when you are feeling refreshed?
>
> Cheers,
>
> David G
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

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> On 13 Aug 2020, at 4:16 am, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why do I have the same discussion with you people

Hi Sean, There are no ‘you people’, there is only us, including you.  

I can’t help you with your IDE problem, but I can see that others are trying 
hard to be helpful, and that you are running on empty.  

Maybe get some sleep and revisit the issue when you are feeling refreshed?

Cheers,

David G
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Brian

I have no clue of what you are talking about here. Bewildered! 

Why do I have the same discussion with you people. It should be simple. It is 
not. This is not the way it should work just because it is the way it does 
work. It is impossible to put things where you want them in any simple form. 
The fact you cannot replicate it using a simple stack does not take from the 
fact I am having the replicatable Effect in my complicated working stack. As 
demonstrated several times in video. Sheesh, what does it take to get through 
to you people?? It’s broken. Take my word for it! 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital Productions Ltd


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> On 13 Aug 2020, at 03:50, Brian Milby via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The issue that you are confronting (in your discussion, not the video) is 
> that the layer is an ordinal and does not convey any information about group 
> membership alone
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

The reason I asked about version and OS is because I watched the video and 
attempted to replicate the behavior that was shown.  I could not do so.  I’ve 
now also tried on my Mac (9.6.0) and am unable to have it do what your video 
shows.

I was always able to drag the control out of the enclosing group to be the 
first item in the enclosing parent group.  This is the same action I saw was 
not working in the video.

If you drag a control below an expanded group, it goes in the group.  If you 
drag a control below a collapsed group, it snaps back on Mac most of the time 
(looks to depend on the state of relayergroupedcontrols).

The issue that you are confronting (in your discussion, not the video) is that 
the layer is an ordinal and does not convey any information about group 
membership alone.  The way things are handled make sense when you consider that 
implementation detail.  If an object is at layer 8 but outside the group above 
(5-7) and you set the layer to 8 with relayergroupedcontrols true then it will 
move to be inside the above group.  If you want to move the object at layer 9 
up to 8 and stay outside of the above group, you have to actually move the 
layer 8 control down instead.

Sent from my iPhone

>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 22:16, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> That's just how it works.
> 
> 
> 1. Except it doesn't work - even with refresh :
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cfv95iuatd4d4y5/AppOverFail2.mov?dl=0
> 2. How it works is wrong! Because it is DUMB and NOT how ALL other
> software deals with layers. Bar none. Including LC's close competitors. It
> should work EXACTLY like a file system or any other folder system. I've
> coded this stuff for my own projects so why the heck is it so hard for
> those writing the engine? I don't do C and that's where the layering system
> is going wrong.
> 3. Assuming it did 'work', if the last item is a group with ctrls and I
> drag below or used the next layer number below it will ALWAYS put it INTO
> the group.
> 
> It's wrong and it's just wasting my time, again, that I don't have with a
> tv broadcast deadline of Friday.
> 
> You've obviously got so used to HAVING to work around these things you
> forget how they SHOULD work. Not just in my opinion but by general
> expectation from the norm outside of LC.
> 
> What are LC doing with our subscription and donation money? Looking at the
> pull requests on github, not much! I fear the very worst!
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Yep, Just more workarounds for something that should have been fixed and
sorted 5 or 6 years ago when it was first brought to light and continually
since.

Stressed and tired. 4am nearly having worked solid 16hrs today. Up again in
4hrs to carry on.
Sean

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 at 03:01, scott--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> When I need to move something between nested groups I often (after making
> a backup) cut what I want to move and then edit the group I want to move it
> to so that I can paste into it.
>
> I’m not suggesting this as something others should adopt, just pointing
> out that there seems to be a number of ways people deal with moving groups
> between nested groups. This seems to make it clear that someone who is new
> to Livecode would likely stumble when encountering this seemingly
> straightforward task.
>
> —
> Scott Morrow
>
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> > On Aug 12, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 22:16, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That's just how it works.
> >>
> >
> >
> >   1. Except it doesn't work - even with refresh :
> >   https://www.dropbox.com/s/cfv95iuatd4d4y5/AppOverFail2.mov?dl=0
> >   2. How it works is wrong! Because it is DUMB and NOT how ALL other
> >   software deals with layers. Bar none. Including LC's close
> competitors. It
> >   should work EXACTLY like a file system or any other folder system. I've
> >   coded this stuff for my own projects so why the heck is it so hard for
> >   those writing the engine? I don't do C and that's where the layering
> system
> >   is going wrong.
> >   3. Assuming it did 'work', if the last item is a group with ctrls and I
> >   drag below or used the next layer number below it will ALWAYS put it
> INTO
> >   the group.
> >
> > It's wrong and it's just wasting my time, again, that I don't have with a
> > tv broadcast deadline of Friday.
> >
> > You've obviously got so used to HAVING to work around these things you
> > forget how they SHOULD work. Not just in my opinion but by general
> > expectation from the norm outside of LC.
> >
> > What are LC doing with our subscription and donation money? Looking at
> the
> > pull requests on github, not much! I fear the very worst!
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[scott--- via use-livecode]

When I need to move something between nested groups I often (after making a 
backup) cut what I want to move and then edit the group I want to move it to so 
that I can paste into it.

I’m not suggesting this as something others should adopt, just pointing out 
that there seems to be a number of ways people deal with moving groups between 
nested groups. This seems to make it clear that someone who is new to Livecode 
would likely stumble when encountering this seemingly straightforward task.

—
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Elementary Software
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> On Aug 12, 2020, at 5:04 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 22:16, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's just how it works.
>> 
> 
> 
>   1. Except it doesn't work - even with refresh :
>   https://www.dropbox.com/s/cfv95iuatd4d4y5/AppOverFail2.mov?dl=0
>   2. How it works is wrong! Because it is DUMB and NOT how ALL other
>   software deals with layers. Bar none. Including LC's close competitors. It
>   should work EXACTLY like a file system or any other folder system. I've
>   coded this stuff for my own projects so why the heck is it so hard for
>   those writing the engine? I don't do C and that's where the layering system
>   is going wrong.
>   3. Assuming it did 'work', if the last item is a group with ctrls and I
>   drag below or used the next layer number below it will ALWAYS put it INTO
>   the group.
> 
> It's wrong and it's just wasting my time, again, that I don't have with a
> tv broadcast deadline of Friday.
> 
> You've obviously got so used to HAVING to work around these things you
> forget how they SHOULD work. Not just in my opinion but by general
> expectation from the norm outside of LC.
> 
> What are LC doing with our subscription and donation money? Looking at the
> pull requests on github, not much! I fear the very worst!
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

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On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 22:16, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That's just how it works.
>


   1. Except it doesn't work - even with refresh :
   https://www.dropbox.com/s/cfv95iuatd4d4y5/AppOverFail2.mov?dl=0
   2. How it works is wrong! Because it is DUMB and NOT how ALL other
   software deals with layers. Bar none. Including LC's close competitors. It
   should work EXACTLY like a file system or any other folder system. I've
   coded this stuff for my own projects so why the heck is it so hard for
   those writing the engine? I don't do C and that's where the layering system
   is going wrong.
   3. Assuming it did 'work', if the last item is a group with ctrls and I
   drag below or used the next layer number below it will ALWAYS put it INTO
   the group.

It's wrong and it's just wasting my time, again, that I don't have with a
tv broadcast deadline of Friday.

You've obviously got so used to HAVING to work around these things you
forget how they SHOULD work. Not just in my opinion but by general
expectation from the norm outside of LC.

What are LC doing with our subscription and donation money? Looking at the
pull requests on github, not much! I fear the very worst!
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode]

sean sputtered,

>But why does Project Browser STILL NOT WORK?


The project browser is a form of penance for your sins.

I find facing it somewhere between grabbing a boiling pan and puncturing an 
eardrum with an ice pick . . .


I still don’t use it, and stick with the old stack browser . . .

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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

As mentioned, you need to refresh the page view. Right-click the card content pane and choose 
Refresh.


My other comment is probably wrong. You should be able to set the target group to the same 
layer as another group, and the target will assume the other group's layer, and the other group 
will move down.



On 8/12/20 4:11 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

This is the results in AppOverview.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mxr0xkp2ucv5082/AppOverFail.mov?dl=0

In this instance, it's got itself locked in but I cannot see what is
preventing it from moving.

Sean

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 21:58, Sean Cole (Pi)  wrote:


Hi

Tried that too. Unfortunately, if it has groups surrounding it and it
itself is in a group it still effs the eff up! It either puts it into a
group I didn't want it in or it chucks it out of one I do want it in.

And, just because you don't use it doesn't mean no one else should!
revApplicationOverview shouldn't need to be used anymore since v6!!! It got
REPLACED! By PB! And besides, just trying again and AppOverview has the
same issue with groups and effing with the layout. 2020!! No hover cars I
can accept but not being able to move a few layers into place is just
damned ridiculous. More to the point, that NO ONE HAS FIXED IT IN 6 YEARS!!
FFS!

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 20:57, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Double-click the control with the edit tool. Go to the Position pane.
Type in the layer number.

I don't use the Project Browser much. I have no issues with the
Application Browser, except
that it needs a manual refresh occasionally. Changing layers requires
that. To manually refresh
the card display, right-click anywhere in the right-side pane and choose
"Refresh".

On 8/12/20 1:58 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Watch the video, Brian!

I'm on a Mac. I'm sure everything is fine and dandy on windoze and that

it

has zero bugs!

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital*



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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

That's just how it works. You need to move it out of the enclosing group (try setting it to 
layer 1,) then move it to its new position. Brian mentioned that. Alternately, look at relayer 
and relayerGroupedControls in the dictionary.


On 8/12/20 3:58 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Hi

Tried that too. Unfortunately, if it has groups surrounding it and it
itself is in a group it still effs the eff up! It either puts it into a
group I didn't want it in or it chucks it out of one I do want it in.

And, just because you don't use it doesn't mean no one else should!
revApplicationOverview shouldn't need to be used anymore since v6!!! It got
REPLACED! By PB! And besides, just trying again and AppOverview has the
same issue with groups and effing with the layout. 2020!! No hover cars I
can accept but not being able to move a few layers into place is just
damned ridiculous. More to the point, that NO ONE HAS FIXED IT IN 6 YEARS!!
FFS!

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 20:57, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Double-click the control with the edit tool. Go to the Position pane. Type
in the layer number.

I don't use the Project Browser much. I have no issues with the
Application Browser, except
that it needs a manual refresh occasionally. Changing layers requires
that. To manually refresh
the card display, right-click anywhere in the right-side pane and choose
"Refresh".

On 8/12/20 1:58 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Watch the video, Brian!

I'm on a Mac. I'm sure everything is fine and dandy on windoze and that

it

has zero bugs!

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital*



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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

This is the results in AppOverview.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mxr0xkp2ucv5082/AppOverFail.mov?dl=0

In this instance, it's got itself locked in but I cannot see what is
preventing it from moving.

Sean

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 21:58, Sean Cole (Pi)  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Tried that too. Unfortunately, if it has groups surrounding it and it
> itself is in a group it still effs the eff up! It either puts it into a
> group I didn't want it in or it chucks it out of one I do want it in.
>
> And, just because you don't use it doesn't mean no one else should!
> revApplicationOverview shouldn't need to be used anymore since v6!!! It got
> REPLACED! By PB! And besides, just trying again and AppOverview has the
> same issue with groups and effing with the layout. 2020!! No hover cars I
> can accept but not being able to move a few layers into place is just
> damned ridiculous. More to the point, that NO ONE HAS FIXED IT IN 6 YEARS!!
> FFS!
>
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital *
>
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 20:57, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Double-click the control with the edit tool. Go to the Position pane.
>> Type in the layer number.
>>
>> I don't use the Project Browser much. I have no issues with the
>> Application Browser, except
>> that it needs a manual refresh occasionally. Changing layers requires
>> that. To manually refresh
>> the card display, right-click anywhere in the right-side pane and choose
>> "Refresh".
>>
>> On 8/12/20 1:58 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
>> > Watch the video, Brian!
>> >
>> > I'm on a Mac. I'm sure everything is fine and dandy on windoze and that
>> it
>> > has zero bugs!
>> >
>> > Sean Cole
>> > *Pi Digital*
>>
>>
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Hi

Tried that too. Unfortunately, if it has groups surrounding it and it
itself is in a group it still effs the eff up! It either puts it into a
group I didn't want it in or it chucks it out of one I do want it in.

And, just because you don't use it doesn't mean no one else should!
revApplicationOverview shouldn't need to be used anymore since v6!!! It got
REPLACED! By PB! And besides, just trying again and AppOverview has the
same issue with groups and effing with the layout. 2020!! No hover cars I
can accept but not being able to move a few layers into place is just
damned ridiculous. More to the point, that NO ONE HAS FIXED IT IN 6 YEARS!!
FFS!

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 20:57, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Double-click the control with the edit tool. Go to the Position pane. Type
> in the layer number.
>
> I don't use the Project Browser much. I have no issues with the
> Application Browser, except
> that it needs a manual refresh occasionally. Changing layers requires
> that. To manually refresh
> the card display, right-click anywhere in the right-side pane and choose
> "Refresh".
>
> On 8/12/20 1:58 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:
> > Watch the video, Brian!
> >
> > I'm on a Mac. I'm sure everything is fine and dandy on windoze and that
> it
> > has zero bugs!
> >
> > Sean Cole
> > *Pi Digital*
>
>
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Double-click the control with the edit tool. Go to the Position pane. Type in 
the layer number.

I don't use the Project Browser much. I have no issues with the Application Browser, except 
that it needs a manual refresh occasionally. Changing layers requires that. To manually refresh 
the card display, right-click anywhere in the right-side pane and choose "Refresh".


On 8/12/20 1:58 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Watch the video, Brian!

I'm on a Mac. I'm sure everything is fine and dandy on windoze and that it
has zero bugs!

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital*



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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Watch the video, Brian!

I'm on a Mac. I'm sure everything is fine and dandy on windoze and that it
has zero bugs!

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital*

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 19:48, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Which version of LC?  I just did a brief test and it worked mostly as
> expected on 9.6/Win10.  Only thing that I couldn’t do was move a button
> between 2 groups (it would drop into one).  I had to move it above the
> group and then move the group.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 12, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > But why does Project Browser STILL NOT WORK?
> >
> > NO MORE WORKAROUNDS! THIS IS CRAP!@
> >
> > Sean Cole
> > *Pi Digital *
> >
> >> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:45, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sean,
> >>
> >> my answer will not solve your problems with the Project Browser...
> >> but did you already try Geoff Canyons Navigator
> >>
> >> https://gcanyon.wixsite.com/navigator <
> >>
> https://bowtie.mailbutler.io/tracking/hit/5524ddd4-763e-47f2-b835-0050b8a7fe6f/693e8792-fedc-482a-9940-e98f47b6ee1a
> >>>
> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kz3zqi4botzglgq/navigator.zip?dl=1 <
> >>
> https://bowtie.mailbutler.io/tracking/hit/5524ddd4-763e-47f2-b835-0050b8a7fe6f/9596c7b6-a84d-40ae-96c9-b3578d222b9f
> >>>
> >>
> >> Navigator allows also to "relayer" objects by dragging and there it even
> >> works.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -
> >> Matthias Rebbe
> >> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> >>
> >>> Am 12.08.2020 um 19:42 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>
> >>> And when you are in a group editing mode, the layers in the Project
> >> Browser
> >>> are messed up beyond use. HOW?? Why has this STILL not been fixed since
> >>> v6 I'm just tired of asking. I'm stressed! Up against a deadline
> >>> (Again). No budget to pay the ridiculous fees LC ask. And absolutely no
> >> way
> >>> out... again! It blows my mind how I keep putting myself in this
> >> situation
> >>> for LC to KEEP letting me down because of stupid dumb ass issues that
> >> don't
> >>> get fixed!
> >>>
> >>> Frustrated.
> >>>
> >>> Sean
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:29, Sean Cole (Pi) 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi all,
> 
>  Why is this still an issue? I find it so hard putting layers in the
> >> right
>  order. It just gets me down when I have fast turnaround jobs that are
> >> held
>  up because of STUPID frikin issues like this. Over and over again
> 
>  https://www.dropbox.com/s/qakyg8bu8bdamhn/LayerControl.mov?dl=0
> 
>  LC would be brilliant if it wasn't so crap all the time.
> 
>  Sean Cole
> 
>  *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

@Matthias Rebbe 

Were are just replacing issues with new issues. Just looked at the github
for 'Navigator' only to see a heap of unresolved issues there too!
https://github.com/gcanyon/navigator/issues

This seriously sucks!

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital*

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:45, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
>
> my answer will not solve your problems with the Project Browser...
> but did you already try Geoff Canyons Navigator
>
> https://gcanyon.wixsite.com/navigator <
> https://bowtie.mailbutler.io/tracking/hit/5524ddd4-763e-47f2-b835-0050b8a7fe6f/693e8792-fedc-482a-9940-e98f47b6ee1a
> >
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kz3zqi4botzglgq/navigator.zip?dl=1 <
> https://bowtie.mailbutler.io/tracking/hit/5524ddd4-763e-47f2-b835-0050b8a7fe6f/9596c7b6-a84d-40ae-96c9-b3578d222b9f
> >
>
> Navigator allows also to "relayer" objects by dragging and there it even
> works.
>
> HTH
>
> Regards,
>
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>
> > Am 12.08.2020 um 19:42 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > And when you are in a group editing mode, the layers in the Project
> Browser
> > are messed up beyond use. HOW?? Why has this STILL not been fixed since
> > v6 I'm just tired of asking. I'm stressed! Up against a deadline
> > (Again). No budget to pay the ridiculous fees LC ask. And absolutely no
> way
> > out... again! It blows my mind how I keep putting myself in this
> situation
> > for LC to KEEP letting me down because of stupid dumb ass issues that
> don't
> > get fixed!
> >
> > Frustrated.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:29, Sean Cole (Pi) 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Why is this still an issue? I find it so hard putting layers in the
> right
> >> order. It just gets me down when I have fast turnaround jobs that are
> held
> >> up because of STUPID frikin issues like this. Over and over again
> >>
> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qakyg8bu8bdamhn/LayerControl.mov?dl=0
> >>
> >> LC would be brilliant if it wasn't so crap all the time.
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >>
> >> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> >>
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

Which version of LC?  I just did a brief test and it worked mostly as expected 
on 9.6/Win10.  Only thing that I couldn’t do was move a button between 2 groups 
(it would drop into one).  I had to move it above the group and then move the 
group.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 12, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> But why does Project Browser STILL NOT WORK?
> 
> NO MORE WORKAROUNDS! THIS IS CRAP!@
> 
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital *
> 
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:45, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sean,
>> 
>> my answer will not solve your problems with the Project Browser...
>> but did you already try Geoff Canyons Navigator
>> 
>> https://gcanyon.wixsite.com/navigator <
>> https://bowtie.mailbutler.io/tracking/hit/5524ddd4-763e-47f2-b835-0050b8a7fe6f/693e8792-fedc-482a-9940-e98f47b6ee1a
>>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kz3zqi4botzglgq/navigator.zip?dl=1 <
>> https://bowtie.mailbutler.io/tracking/hit/5524ddd4-763e-47f2-b835-0050b8a7fe6f/9596c7b6-a84d-40ae-96c9-b3578d222b9f
>>> 
>> 
>> Navigator allows also to "relayer" objects by dragging and there it even
>> works.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> -
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>> 
>>> Am 12.08.2020 um 19:42 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> And when you are in a group editing mode, the layers in the Project
>> Browser
>>> are messed up beyond use. HOW?? Why has this STILL not been fixed since
>>> v6 I'm just tired of asking. I'm stressed! Up against a deadline
>>> (Again). No budget to pay the ridiculous fees LC ask. And absolutely no
>> way
>>> out... again! It blows my mind how I keep putting myself in this
>> situation
>>> for LC to KEEP letting me down because of stupid dumb ass issues that
>> don't
>>> get fixed!
>>> 
>>> Frustrated.
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:29, Sean Cole (Pi) 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 Why is this still an issue? I find it so hard putting layers in the
>> right
 order. It just gets me down when I have fast turnaround jobs that are
>> held
 up because of STUPID frikin issues like this. Over and over again
 
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/qakyg8bu8bdamhn/LayerControl.mov?dl=0
 
 LC would be brilliant if it wasn't so crap all the time.
 
 Sean Cole
 
 *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
 
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Thanks,

But why does Project Browser STILL NOT WORK?

NO MORE WORKAROUNDS! THIS IS CRAP!@

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital *

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:45, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
>
> my answer will not solve your problems with the Project Browser...
> but did you already try Geoff Canyons Navigator
>
> https://gcanyon.wixsite.com/navigator <
> https://bowtie.mailbutler.io/tracking/hit/5524ddd4-763e-47f2-b835-0050b8a7fe6f/693e8792-fedc-482a-9940-e98f47b6ee1a
> >
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kz3zqi4botzglgq/navigator.zip?dl=1 <
> https://bowtie.mailbutler.io/tracking/hit/5524ddd4-763e-47f2-b835-0050b8a7fe6f/9596c7b6-a84d-40ae-96c9-b3578d222b9f
> >
>
> Navigator allows also to "relayer" objects by dragging and there it even
> works.
>
> HTH
>
> Regards,
>
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
>
> > Am 12.08.2020 um 19:42 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > And when you are in a group editing mode, the layers in the Project
> Browser
> > are messed up beyond use. HOW?? Why has this STILL not been fixed since
> > v6 I'm just tired of asking. I'm stressed! Up against a deadline
> > (Again). No budget to pay the ridiculous fees LC ask. And absolutely no
> way
> > out... again! It blows my mind how I keep putting myself in this
> situation
> > for LC to KEEP letting me down because of stupid dumb ass issues that
> don't
> > get fixed!
> >
> > Frustrated.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:29, Sean Cole (Pi) 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Why is this still an issue? I find it so hard putting layers in the
> right
> >> order. It just gets me down when I have fast turnaround jobs that are
> held
> >> up because of STUPID frikin issues like this. Over and over again
> >>
> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qakyg8bu8bdamhn/LayerControl.mov?dl=0
> >>
> >> LC would be brilliant if it wasn't so crap all the time.
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >>
> >> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> >>
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Sean,

my answer will not solve your problems with the Project Browser...
but did you already try Geoff Canyons Navigator

https://gcanyon.wixsite.com/navigator 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kz3zqi4botzglgq/navigator.zip?dl=1 


Navigator allows also to "relayer" objects by dragging and there it even works.

HTH

Regards,

-
Matthias Rebbe
Life Is Too Short For Boring Code

> Am 12.08.2020 um 19:42 schrieb Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> And when you are in a group editing mode, the layers in the Project Browser
> are messed up beyond use. HOW?? Why has this STILL not been fixed since
> v6 I'm just tired of asking. I'm stressed! Up against a deadline
> (Again). No budget to pay the ridiculous fees LC ask. And absolutely no way
> out... again! It blows my mind how I keep putting myself in this situation
> for LC to KEEP letting me down because of stupid dumb ass issues that don't
> get fixed!
> 
> Frustrated.
> 
> Sean
> 
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:29, Sean Cole (Pi)  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Why is this still an issue? I find it so hard putting layers in the right
>> order. It just gets me down when I have fast turnaround jobs that are held
>> up because of STUPID frikin issues like this. Over and over again
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qakyg8bu8bdamhn/LayerControl.mov?dl=0
>> 
>> LC would be brilliant if it wasn't so crap all the time.
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> 
>> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>> 
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Re: Layers in PBrowser

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

And when you are in a group editing mode, the layers in the Project Browser
are messed up beyond use. HOW?? Why has this STILL not been fixed since
v6 I'm just tired of asking. I'm stressed! Up against a deadline
(Again). No budget to pay the ridiculous fees LC ask. And absolutely no way
out... again! It blows my mind how I keep putting myself in this situation
for LC to KEEP letting me down because of stupid dumb ass issues that don't
get fixed!

Frustrated.

Sean

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:29, Sean Cole (Pi)  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Why is this still an issue? I find it so hard putting layers in the right
> order. It just gets me down when I have fast turnaround jobs that are held
> up because of STUPID frikin issues like this. Over and over again
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qakyg8bu8bdamhn/LayerControl.mov?dl=0
>
> LC would be brilliant if it wasn't so crap all the time.
>
> Sean Cole
>
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>
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Layers in PBrowser

[Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode]

Hi all,

Why is this still an issue? I find it so hard putting layers in the right
order. It just gets me down when I have fast turnaround jobs that are held
up because of STUPID frikin issues like this. Over and over again

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qakyg8bu8bdamhn/LayerControl.mov?dl=0

LC would be brilliant if it wasn't so crap all the time.

Sean Cole

*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
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