Multiple revCursors substacks added to standalone

[Neville Smythe via use-livecode]

For a while now (LC 9.x) I have been finding that making a standalone sometimes 
adds multiple copies of revCursors to the standalone. One copy as a substack of 
the mainstack is expected, but under some unknown circumstances I get 3 more 
copies of the stack added (not as substacks). This on a Mac.

I first thought this occurred when the standalone builder reported errors about 
the ask dialog, but my last build included the extra copies without any 
warnings occurring during the build process.

The source file stack after the build has finished also has these copies of 
revCursors. I discovered this when I added the source stack to 
nsScriptDatabase. But it can also be seen in the Project Browser - a number of 
blank lines occur in the stack list tree, presumably because PB doesn’t like 
the duplicate stack names.

A difficult bug to report to Quality Control without a recipe.

Neville
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Re: Substacks

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 6/5/22 05:51, General 2018 via use-livecode wrote:

Hi,

So using real substacks being opened by go to from mainstack and then closing 
from substack returning to mainstack all working well, thanks for the previous 
suggestions.

Just found some odd behaviour :-

The mainstack and substacks have items in PreOpenStack.

The substack has for example,

On preopenstack
Set the foregroundcolor of fld “xyz” to red
End preopenstack

This works on the first pass of go to substack from mainstack. But if the 
substack is closed and go to substack from mainstack is used again the fld 
“xyz” is not found.

To get round this I added the cd in the substack - fld “xyz” of cd “123” .

Two questions :-
1. Is this the expected behaviour ?
2. Why does it work on the first pass without using - of cd “123”


A little hard to diagnose from a distance but here are some thoughts:

First of all, per the docs, the preOpenStack handlers should be in the 
first card of the stacks, not in the scripts of the stacks themselves.


Then it sounds like maybe you have multiple cards in your substack and 
the currently selected card is not card "123" at the time you invoke the 
goto command the second time. If the (badly-named) destroyStack property 
of the substack is set to false (the default) then the substack will 
still be in memory and your preOpenStack handler will be triggered at 
its current card setting.


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Re: Substacks

[General 2018 via use-livecode]

Hi,

So using real substacks being opened by go to from mainstack and then closing 
from substack returning to mainstack all working well, thanks for the previous 
suggestions.

Just found some odd behaviour :-

The mainstack and substacks have items in PreOpenStack.

The substack has for example,

On preopenstack
Set the foregroundcolor of fld “xyz” to red
End preopenstack

This works on the first pass of go to substack from mainstack. But if the 
substack is closed and go to substack from mainstack is used again the fld 
“xyz” is not found.

To get round this I added the cd in the substack - fld “xyz” of cd “123” .

Two questions :-
1. Is this the expected behaviour ?
2. Why does it work on the first pass without using - of cd “123”

Regards
Camm

> On 29 May 2022, at 20:32, General 2018  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jacquline,
> 
> Think your question lead me to the issue.
> 
> For some reason on the stack that did not work I added the substack by 
> opening the mainstack and substack and saving the substack into the mainstack 
> somehow.
> 
> I started from new and added the substack by using the add stack file button 
> within standalone settings and it worked fine.
> 
> 
> Regards
> Camm
> 
>> On 29 May 2022, at 17:27, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just to clarify, are they real substacks or do you mean they are separate 
>> stacks that you include in the build? Also, double check that standalone 
>> settings isn't set up to move substacks into separate files. I think that 
>> option is in the general pane but I'm not at my computer to check.
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> On May 29, 2022 6:05:08 AM General 2018 via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Still no luck, no closestack handler in “main stack” , tried the other 
>>> suggestions with hide/show etc. But still “mainstack” quits on closing the 
>>> “substack xyz”
>>> 
>>> Will keep looking……..
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>>>> On 29 May 2022, at 00:12, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/28/22 07:15, General 2018 via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>> New to substacks - I have a “mainstack” used as a menu page for 2x 
>>>>> “substacks”
>>>>> When “substacks” opened from “mainstack” they open fine using — go to 
>>>>> stack “xyz”
>>>>> The problem is closing of the “substacks” using - close stack, go to 
>>>>> “mainstack” or close this stack it always closes (quit) everything. Need 
>>>>> “mainstack” to reappear/remain ?
>>>>> Looked at docs and other posts. But stuck no doubt I have missed 
>>>>> something.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have a closeStack handler in the script of the mainstack?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Substacks

[General 2018 via use-livecode]

Hi Jacquline,

Think your question lead me to the issue.

For some reason on the stack that did not work I added the substack by opening 
the mainstack and substack and saving the substack into the mainstack somehow.

I started from new and added the substack by using the add stack file button 
within standalone settings and it worked fine.


Regards
Camm

> On 29 May 2022, at 17:27, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just to clarify, are they real substacks or do you mean they are separate 
> stacks that you include in the build? Also, double check that standalone 
> settings isn't set up to move substacks into separate files. I think that 
> option is in the general pane but I'm not at my computer to check.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> On May 29, 2022 6:05:08 AM General 2018 via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Still no luck, no closestack handler in “main stack” , tried the other 
>> suggestions with hide/show etc. But still “mainstack” quits on closing the 
>> “substack xyz”
>> 
>> Will keep looking……..
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>>>> On 29 May 2022, at 00:12, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 5/28/22 07:15, General 2018 via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Hi ,
>>>> New to substacks - I have a “mainstack” used as a menu page for 2x 
>>>> “substacks”
>>>> When “substacks” opened from “mainstack” they open fine using — go to 
>>>> stack “xyz”
>>>> The problem is closing of the “substacks” using - close stack, go to 
>>>> “mainstack” or close this stack it always closes (quit) everything. Need 
>>>> “mainstack” to reappear/remain ?
>>>> Looked at docs and other posts. But stuck no doubt I have missed something.
>>> 
>>> Do you have a closeStack handler in the script of the mainstack?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>>> 
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Re: Substacks

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

Just to clarify, are they real substacks or do you mean they are separate 
stacks that you include in the build? Also, double check that standalone 
settings isn't set up to move substacks into separate files. I think that 
option is in the general pane but I'm not at my computer to check.

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HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On May 29, 2022 6:05:08 AM General 2018 via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Still no luck, no closestack handler in “main stack” , tried the other 
suggestions with hide/show etc. But still “mainstack” quits on closing the 
“substack xyz”


Will keep looking……..

Regards

On 29 May 2022, at 00:12, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:


On 5/28/22 07:15, General 2018 via use-livecode wrote:

Hi ,
New to substacks - I have a “mainstack” used as a menu page for 2x “substacks”
When “substacks” opened from “mainstack” they open fine using — go to stack 
“xyz”
The problem is closing of the “substacks” using - close stack, go to 
“mainstack” or close this stack it always closes (quit) everything. Need 
“mainstack” to reappear/remain ?

Looked at docs and other posts. But stuck no doubt I have missed something.


Do you have a closeStack handler in the script of the mainstack?


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Re: Substacks

[Jim At Consensus via use-livecode]

At the risk of repeating someone else’s suggestion. I address this by have an 
on closeStsck handler in the main stack. I’m in my phone so don’t have access 
to code but it’s along the lines of:

On closeStack
If the short name of me is “” then closeStack
End closeStack

Works rely  as bay for me though variations could include “if name is not “xxx” 
then exit closeStsck

Will see which is correct when I get to my machine.

Good Luck. 

Jim

NOTE: This has worked reliably for years. I doubt something has changed but 
perhaps?

NOTE 2: To avoid the “mental pain” of not having something like this working, 
I’d recommend creating a new stack and sub stack combination just to trouble 
shoot the problem. I’d say 9 times out of 10, I can get the simple test to work 
which points me to some other issue I never would have discovered that ended up 
being the issue (like not remembering that before my closeStack was issued, i 
navigated back to the main stack by a go card “” of the main stack as part 
of my trying to figure out what was happening but the timing was such I never 
saw the transition.)




Sent from Jim's iPhone
Please excuse brevity, typos and errors

> On May 29, 2022, at 4:05 AM, General 2018 via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Still no luck, no closestack handler in “main stack” , tried the other 
> suggestions with hide/show etc. But still “mainstack” quits on closing the 
> “substack xyz”
> 
> Will keep looking……..
> 
> Regards
> 
>>> On 29 May 2022, at 00:12, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 5/28/22 07:15, General 2018 via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi ,
>>> New to substacks - I have a “mainstack” used as a menu page for 2x 
>>> “substacks”
>>> When “substacks” opened from “mainstack” they open fine using — go to stack 
>>> “xyz”
>>> The problem is closing of the “substacks” using - close stack, go to 
>>> “mainstack” or close this stack it always closes (quit) everything. Need 
>>> “mainstack” to reappear/remain ?
>>> Looked at docs and other posts. But stuck no doubt I have missed something.
>> 
>> Do you have a closeStack handler in the script of the mainstack?
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Substacks

[General 2018 via use-livecode]

Still no luck, no closestack handler in “main stack” , tried the other 
suggestions with hide/show etc. But still “mainstack” quits on closing the 
“substack xyz”

Will keep looking……..

Regards

> On 29 May 2022, at 00:12, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 5/28/22 07:15, General 2018 via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi ,
>> New to substacks - I have a “mainstack” used as a menu page for 2x 
>> “substacks”
>> When “substacks” opened from “mainstack” they open fine using — go to stack 
>> “xyz”
>> The problem is closing of the “substacks” using - close stack, go to 
>> “mainstack” or close this stack it always closes (quit) everything. Need 
>> “mainstack” to reappear/remain ?
>> Looked at docs and other posts. But stuck no doubt I have missed something.
> 
> Do you have a closeStack handler in the script of the mainstack?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Substacks

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 5/28/22 07:15, General 2018 via use-livecode wrote:

Hi ,

New to substacks - I have a “mainstack” used as a menu page for 2x “substacks”

When “substacks” opened from “mainstack” they open fine using — go to stack 
“xyz”

The problem is closing of the “substacks” using - close stack, go to 
“mainstack” or close this stack it always closes (quit) everything. Need 
“mainstack” to reappear/remain ?

Looked at docs and other posts. But stuck no doubt I have missed something.


Do you have a closeStack handler in the script of the mainstack?


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Re: Substacks

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Hide the mainstack, when opening the substack, then show the mainstack in the 
substack’s closestack handler. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 28, 2022, at 12:41, General 2018 via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the tip but still no good.
> 
> So button in “xyz” substack with close stack “xyz” still closes all ?
> 
> Regards Camm
> 
>> On 28 May 2022, at 17:29, Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> did you try  close stack "xyz" ? Thias works for me, in the IDE at least, 
>> both if called from the mainstack and from the substack. Only the substack 
>> is closed.
>> 
>> Livecode 9.6.7 and Windows 10
>> 
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> Thomas
>> 
>> 
>>>> Am 28.05.2022 um 16:15 schrieb General 2018 via use-livecode:
>>> Hi ,
>>> 
>>> New to substacks - I have a “mainstack” used as a menu page for 2x 
>>> “substacks”
>>> 
>>> When “substacks” opened from “mainstack” they open fine using — go to stack 
>>> “xyz”
>>> 
>>> The problem is closing of the “substacks” using - close stack, go to 
>>> “mainstack” or close this stack it always closes (quit) everything. Need 
>>> “mainstack” to reappear/remain ?
>>> 
>>> Looked at docs and other posts. But stuck no doubt I have missed something.
>>> 
>>> Livecode 9.6.6 and Win 10
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Cam
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Re: Substacks

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

In an app, the mainstack is the home stack. If it's closed and no other 
stack is open then the app will quit. But if you open a substack, the app 
can't quit because the substack is part of the stackfile but the mainstack 
is still marked as closed. So the trick is not to close the mainstack, just 
hide it instead when you open the substack. When you close the substack, 
show the mainstack.


At least, that's what I think is happening.
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On May 28, 2022 2:42:24 PM General 2018 via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Thanks for the tip but still no good.

So button in “xyz” substack with close stack “xyz” still closes all ?

Regards Camm

On 28 May 2022, at 17:29, Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Hi,

did you try  close stack "xyz" ? Thias works for me, in the IDE at least, 
both if called from the mainstack and from the substack. Only the substack 
is closed.


Livecode 9.6.7 and Windows 10


Hope this helps

Thomas



Am 28.05.2022 um 16:15 schrieb General 2018 via use-livecode:
Hi ,

New to substacks - I have a “mainstack” used as a menu page for 2x “substacks”

When “substacks” opened from “mainstack” they open fine using — go to stack 
“xyz”


The problem is closing of the “substacks” using - close stack, go to 
“mainstack” or close this stack it always closes (quit) everything. Need 
“mainstack” to reappear/remain ?


Looked at docs and other posts. But stuck no doubt I have missed something.

Livecode 9.6.6 and Win 10

Regards
Cam
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Re: Substacks

[General 2018 via use-livecode]

Thanks for the tip but still no good.

So button in “xyz” substack with close stack “xyz” still closes all ?

Regards Camm

> On 28 May 2022, at 17:29, Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> did you try  close stack "xyz" ? Thias works for me, in the IDE at least, 
> both if called from the mainstack and from the substack. Only the substack is 
> closed.
> 
> Livecode 9.6.7 and Windows 10
> 
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
>> Am 28.05.2022 um 16:15 schrieb General 2018 via use-livecode:
>> Hi ,
>> 
>> New to substacks - I have a “mainstack” used as a menu page for 2x 
>> “substacks”
>> 
>> When “substacks” opened from “mainstack” they open fine using — go to stack 
>> “xyz”
>> 
>> The problem is closing of the “substacks” using - close stack, go to 
>> “mainstack” or close this stack it always closes (quit) everything. Need 
>> “mainstack” to reappear/remain ?
>> 
>> Looked at docs and other posts. But stuck no doubt I have missed something.
>> 
>> Livecode 9.6.6 and Win 10
>> 
>> Regards
>> Cam
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Re: Substacks

[Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode]

Hi,

did you try  close stack "xyz" ? Thias works for me, in the IDE at 
least, both if called from the mainstack and from the substack. Only the 
substack is closed.


Livecode 9.6.7 and Windows 10


Hope this helps

Thomas


Am 28.05.2022 um 16:15 schrieb General 2018 via use-livecode:

Hi ,

New to substacks - I have a “mainstack” used as a menu page for 2x “substacks”

When “substacks” opened from “mainstack” they open fine using — go to stack 
“xyz”

The problem is closing of the “substacks” using - close stack, go to 
“mainstack” or close this stack it always closes (quit) everything. Need 
“mainstack” to reappear/remain ?

Looked at docs and other posts. But stuck no doubt I have missed something.

Livecode 9.6.6 and Win 10

Regards
Cam
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Substacks

[General 2018 via use-livecode]

Hi ,

New to substacks - I have a “mainstack” used as a menu page for 2x “substacks”

When “substacks” opened from “mainstack” they open fine using — go to stack 
“xyz”

The problem is closing of the “substacks” using - close stack, go to 
“mainstack” or close this stack it always closes (quit) everything. Need 
“mainstack” to reappear/remain ?

Looked at docs and other posts. But stuck no doubt I have missed something.

Livecode 9.6.6 and Win 10

Regards
Cam
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Re: where does the standalonebuilder saves the substacks in an Mac OS App?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Is it a library that will not be edited programmatically at runtime? If not, 
then that is the place it belongs. 

Bob S


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 06:07 , Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Creating a standalone on MacOS 10.12 with LC 8.1.3, LiveCode puts the file
> "revsecurity.dylib" into "my.app/Contents/MacOS/"
> As you say, this would be against the rules of Apple. Is this a bug? Or is
> it still arbitrary, where to put your files?
> Tiemo


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AW: where does the standalonebuilder saves the substacks in an Mac OS App?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

Creating a standalone on MacOS 10.12 with LC 8.1.3, LiveCode puts the file
"revsecurity.dylib" into "my.app/Contents/MacOS/"
As you say, this would be against the rules of Apple. Is this a bug? Or is
it still arbitrary, where to put your files?
Tiemo


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Betreff: Re: where does the standalonebuilder saves the substacks in an Mac
OS App?

I think that's right, Apple enforces this rule.

The standalone builder will move files to a Resources folder when it builds
the app. For backward compatibility, scripts that reference the engine
folder are redirected to the Resources folder automatically.

On 3/27/17 1:22 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> To my understanding, it's a requirement in accordance with Apple's 
> sandboxing policies, if you want an executable to be able to make 
> changes to files inside the executable bundle. The way it's supposed 
> to work, no application is allowed to write or modify anything in the 
> old location where the actual application binary resides, but in the 
> new location they can.
>
> As an administrative user I am able to copy files to both locations, 
> but sandboxing is not about folder permissions. It's about executable 
> permissions and it's baked into the OS so no one can (ostensibly) 
> change it.
>
> That is my understanding at least. I've not dug in enough to know for 
> certain.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 09:45 , Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, "Apple requires" - Is this only a "best practise" guideline or 
>> what will happen if you don't care? I have an old application just 
>> migrated to LC 8, where I am running an independent stack file in 
>> that old dir("Contents/MacOS"), and it is running fine on MacOS
>> 10.12.3 Is there any Apple link about that or are there any 
>> informations, into which issue you can run, if you put files into the 
>> old dir? If you integrate Valentina, they also keep one file in that 
>> directory. Thanks for any info Tiemo
>
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Re: where does the standalonebuilder saves the substacks in an Mac OS App?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I think that's right, Apple enforces this rule.

The standalone builder will move files to a Resources folder when it 
builds the app. For backward compatibility, scripts that reference the 
engine folder are redirected to the Resources folder automatically.


On 3/27/17 1:22 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

To my understanding, it's a requirement in accordance with Apple's
sandboxing policies, if you want an executable to be able to make
changes to files inside the executable bundle. The way it's supposed
to work, no application is allowed to write or modify anything in the
old location where the actual application binary resides, but in the
new location they can.

As an administrative user I am able to copy files to both locations,
but sandboxing is not about folder permissions. It's about executable
permissions and it's baked into the OS so no one can (ostensibly)
change it.

That is my understanding at least. I've not dug in enough to know for
certain.

Bob S



On Mar 27, 2017, at 09:45 , Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode
 wrote:

Hello, "Apple requires" - Is this only a "best practise" guideline
or what will happen if you don't care? I have an old application
just migrated to LC 8, where I am running an independent stack file
in that old dir("Contents/MacOS"), and it is running fine on MacOS
10.12.3 Is there any Apple link about that or are there any
informations, into which issue you can run, if you put files into
the old dir? If you integrate Valentina, they also keep one file in
that directory. Thanks for any info Tiemo



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Re: where does the standalonebuilder saves the substacks in an Mac OS App?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

To my understanding, it's a requirement in accordance with Apple's sandboxing 
policies, if you want an executable to be able to make changes to files inside 
the executable bundle. The way it's supposed to work, no application is allowed 
to write or modify anything in the old location where the actual application 
binary resides, but in the new location they can. 

As an administrative user I am able to copy files to both locations, but 
sandboxing is not about folder permissions. It's about executable permissions 
and it's baked into the OS so no one can (ostensibly) change it. 

That is my understanding at least. I've not dug in enough to know for certain. 

Bob S


> On Mar 27, 2017, at 09:45 , Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> "Apple requires" - Is this only a "best practise" guideline or what will 
> happen if you don't care? I have an old application just migrated to LC 8, 
> where I am running an independent stack file in that old 
> dir("Contents/MacOS"), and it is running fine on MacOS 10.12.3
> Is there any Apple link about that or are there any informations, into which 
> issue you can run, if you put files into the old dir? If you integrate 
> Valentina, they also keep one file in that directory.
> Thanks for any info
> Tiemo


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AW: where does the standalonebuilder saves the substacks in an Mac OS App?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode]

Hello,
"Apple requires" - Is this only a "best practise" guideline or what will happen 
if you don't care? I have an old application just migrated to LC 8, where I am 
running an independent stack file in that old dir("Contents/MacOS"), and it is 
running fine on MacOS 10.12.3
Is there any Apple link about that or are there any informations, into which 
issue you can run, if you put files into the old dir? If you integrate 
Valentina, they also keep one file in that directory.
Thanks for any info
Tiemo


On 3/14/17 6:58 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> is it correct when the standalone settings of an stack are set to move 
> substacks into individual stack files that under Mac OS X the 
> substacks in an compiled app (e.g. test.app) are stored
>
> in 'test.app/Contents/Resources/_MacOS/‘ instead of being stored in 
> 'test.app/Contents/MacOS/'

Yes, Apple required that change a while ago.

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Re: where does the standalonebuilder saves the substacks in an Mac OS App?

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi Jacqueline,

thanks for that hint. Seems i have missed that part..

Regards,

Matthias


> Am 15.03.2017 um 07:44 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> On 3/14/17 6:58 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> is it correct when the standalone settings of an stack are set to
>> move substacks into individual stack files that under Mac OS X the
>> substacks in an compiled app (e.g. test.app) are stored
>> 
>> in 'test.app/Contents/Resources/_MacOS/‘ instead of being stored in
>> 'test.app/Contents/MacOS/'
> 
> Yes, Apple required that change a while ago.
> 
>> And if this is correct, how do i open them? At the moment my button
>> script (go stack …) , which works for Windows does not open the
>> substacks in MacOS X. If i move the substacks manually to
>> 'test.app/Contents/MacOS/' then of course my scripts can open them
>> w/o modification.
> 
> Apple doesn't want anything in the folder except the executable now. The best 
> way to handle the files is to use specialFolderPath("resources") as the 
> directory. That will alway point to the correct location on any OS. On Mac, 
> it specifies the Resources folder (and is a synonym for the engine folder for 
> legacy stacks.) So your path should be:
> 
> specialFolderPath("resources") & "/stackname.livecode"
> 
> It will work on Windows too.
> 
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Re: where does the standalonebuilder saves the substacks in an Mac OS App?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 3/14/17 6:58 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:

is it correct when the standalone settings of an stack are set to
move substacks into individual stack files that under Mac OS X the
substacks in an compiled app (e.g. test.app) are stored

in 'test.app/Contents/Resources/_MacOS/‘ instead of being stored in
'test.app/Contents/MacOS/'


Yes, Apple required that change a while ago.


And if this is correct, how do i open them? At the moment my button
script (go stack …) , which works for Windows does not open the
substacks in MacOS X. If i move the substacks manually to
'test.app/Contents/MacOS/' then of course my scripts can open them
w/o modification.


Apple doesn't want anything in the folder except the executable now. The 
best way to handle the files is to use specialFolderPath("resources") as 
the directory. That will alway point to the correct location on any OS. 
On Mac, it specifies the Resources folder (and is a synonym for the 
engine folder for legacy stacks.) So your path should be:


 specialFolderPath("resources") & "/stackname.livecode"

It will work on Windows too.

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where does the standalonebuilder saves the substacks in an Mac OS App?

[Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi,

is it correct when the standalone settings of an stack are set to move 
substacks into individual stack files that under Mac OS X the substacks in an 
compiled app (e.g. test.app) are stored
 
in 'test.app/Contents/Resources/_MacOS/‘ instead of being stored in 
'test.app/Contents/MacOS/'


And if this is correct, how do i open them? At the moment my button script (go 
stack …) , which works for Windows does not open the substacks in MacOS X.
If i move the substacks manually to 'test.app/Contents/MacOS/' then of course 
my scripts can open them w/o modification.

Never ran into this before, because  i needed individual substacks only under 
Windows in the past.

Am i missing something? 

Regards,
Matthias
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Re: HTML5 "Features" Library Substacks and "send ### in time"

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On 07/02/2016 01:59, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:


Yikes… ! I just read this today… after seeing the newsletter and then looking 
in the guide in LC 8 dp 14


"The HTML5 engine in this release of LiveCode has a limited range of features. 
You can:

deploy single-stack applications with embedded resources"

BR: Does this mean you cannot include a libraty stack such as Animation Engine?


You can definitely include the Animation Engine as a library stack. 
Simply add it to the "Copy Files" list.



"Two important unsupported features are unlikely to be added in the near future:

operations that need to pause the script while something happens (e.g. wait 10)"


BR: Ouch! no “wait” ? OK, all is fair in love and war and if “wait” is a 
performance beast, so be it.

But will html5 support  “send in time?



send “scene1Scenario2” to this card in 2 second?

??


Yes, "send in time" should work just fine -- indeed, most of the HTML5 
demo stacks on the forums make heavy use of it.


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Re: HTML5 "Features" Library Substacks and "send ### in time"

[Malte Brill]

Hi Brahmanathaswami,

I did not have the time to test DP 14 yet, but in DP9 animationEngine worked 
pretty good (in Firefox). 
All I had to do was make animationengine a substack of my mainstack.
As it relies heaviely on send in time, I can confirm that that used to be 
working fine at least in DP 9. Need to check again in DP 14 though.

All the best,

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Re: HTML5 "Features" Library Substacks and "send ### in time"

[[-hh]]

Ciao,

[1] Firefox does NOT work any more since version 44.0 with
LC's HTML5-standalones. Sadly, because Firefox was up to
5 times faster with the standalones (with loading AND playing)
than other browsers.
ALL standalones are affected, no matter the dp version.
This is reported at Bugzilla@Mozilla, they really try to help us.
If I read that correct, it is even planned for Firefox 47.0 to
implement some backward-compatibilty.
Peter B. will 'repair' that from LC's side soon (8.0.0-dp15), you
then simply have to recompile your projects with the new version.

[2] LC 8.0.0-dp14 has with my tests a speed loss by factor of up
to 10 compared to dp9. [Will report in detail to QC tomorrow].
Hope your results are better. Please tell us.

[3] In general to HTML5:

PeterB. and the dev team is really working hard on all the nasty
detailed problems (you can see that immediately when reading at
github.com/livecode/livecode) with the HTML5-standalone builder.

==> There is an own HTML5-Subforum <===
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=120
Peter B. comes in regularly there and gave already a lot of
valuable information, nothing is unanswered until now.

For example the BIG problem of **implementing 'wait' or not**
is discussed at large there (and was already shortly discussed
here).

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HTML5 "Features" Library Substacks and "send ### in time"

[Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami]

 
Yikes… ! I just read this today… after seeing the newsletter and then looking 
in the guide in LC 8 dp 14


"The HTML5 engine in this release of LiveCode has a limited range of features. 
You can:

deploy single-stack applications with embedded resources"

BR: Does this mean you cannot include a libraty stack such as Animation Engine?



"Two important unsupported features are unlikely to be added in the near future:

operations that need to pause the script while something happens (e.g. wait 10)"


BR: Ouch! no “wait” ? OK, all is fair in love and war and if “wait” is a 
performance beast, so be it.

But will html5 support  “send in time?



send “scene1Scenario2” to this card in 2 second?

??



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Re: copying from password protected substacks

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On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote:

 If you set the passkey of the protected stack (to the password) before
 copying, you should be able to copy what you want


This is getting infuriating . . .

 what *is* the scope of the passkey?

I've tried setting it during stack initialization, even dumbing the
password down to abc, and I'm still getting the can't cut error.

Do I need to be setting it before every copy?


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Re: copying from password protected substacks

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On 4/14/2015 8:26 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

Unless there's a bug somewhere in the decryption routines, it still feels
like the passkey you are supplying is not the same one you specified in the
standalone settings.


That's what it sounds like to me too. I wonder how the standalone 
builder handles that. Maybe it uses a different kind of encryption than 
a plain passworded stack uses. That sounds unlikely, but setting the 
passkey should work otherwise.


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Re: copying from password protected substacks

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You can use this:

function expandError pErr
   -- expands LC runtime error numbers, with explanatory text
   -- probably based on a handler from someone on the use-LC list, not sure who
   -- revised by Peter M. Brigham, pmb...@gmail.com — freeware
   
   -- requires sr()
   
   repeat for each line e in pErr
  put item 1 of e into errNbr
  put item 2 of e into tLineNbr
  put item 3 of e into tCharNbr
  put item 4 to -1 of e into tHint
  put • line  tLineNbr  ,  char  tCharNbr  :  into tErrMsg
  put error #  errNbr  ,  after tErrMsg
  put sr(line errNbr of the cErrorsList of card 1 of stack 
revErrorDisplay) \
after tErrMsg
  if tHint  empty then
 put  — hint:  tHint after tErrMsg
  end if
  put tErrMsg  cr after errorlist
   end repeat
   return sr(errorlist)
end expandError

function sr str
   -- sr = strip returns -- actually, strips all white space fore and aft
   -- place this handler in a library stack,
   -- where it will be available everywhere
   return word 1 to -1 of str
end sr

-- Peter

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On Apr 14, 2015, at 9:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

 On 4/14/2015 8:17 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
 However, where can I find the list of those codes, and what that error box
 means in general?
 
 User Sample Stacks (in the toolbar) - LC Error Lookup
 
 or here:
 
 http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/712/LiveCode-Error-Lookup
 
 Or make your own, the location of the error codes is listed in the 
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Re: copying from password protected substacks

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On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote:

 Error 558 is stack: invalid key.  Not much help but perhaps the passkey
 you're supplying isn't the correct one?  Not likely I guess since it
 apparently works in the IDE.


There is no password set in the IDE; it's all at compile time.

However, where can I find the list of those codes, and what that error box
means in general?

thanks


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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Richard Gaskin]

Peter Haworth wrote:

 I'm still not sure in my mind whether encryption is the same thing
 as password protecting a stack.  I've only ever used the latter.
 Anybody know?

AFAIK there is only one form of script encryption, set with the password 
property and unlocked during the session with the passkey property.


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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Peter Haworth]

Right.  I'm still not sure in my mind whether encryption is the same
thing as password protecting a stack.  I've only ever used the latter.
Anybody know?

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On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 7:01 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
wrote:

 On 4/14/2015 8:26 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

 Unless there's a bug somewhere in the decryption routines, it still feels
 like the passkey you are supplying is not the same one you specified in
 the
 standalone settings.


 That's what it sounds like to me too. I wonder how the standalone builder
 handles that. Maybe it uses a different kind of encryption than a plain
 passworded stack uses. That sounds unlikely, but setting the passkey should
 work otherwise.

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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Peter Haworth]

The first item of each line refers to a line number in an error messages
table.  The table is in the cErrorsList custom property of card 1 of stack
revErrorDisplay.

Sounds like you set the encrypt with password field in the standalone
settings.  Make sure you do that for every stack you want to be encrypted.

Unless there's a bug somewhere in the decryption routines, it still feels
like the passkey you are supplying is not the same one you specified in the
standalone settings.

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On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Peter Haworth p...@lcsql.com wrote:

  Error 558 is stack: invalid key.  Not much help but perhaps the passkey
  you're supplying isn't the correct one?  Not likely I guess since it
  apparently works in the IDE.
 

 There is no password set in the IDE; it's all at compile time.

 However, where can I find the list of those codes, and what that error box
 means in general?

 thanks


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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote:

 Does it work for you in the IDE?


Yes.  However,  the password only gets set at compile time.


 Also, you're not using the Community Edition are you?


*shudder*, no.  Far too much work into this to risk GPL
contamination/taiint of my code.






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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Peter Haworth]

Error 558 is stack: invalid key.  Not much help but perhaps the passkey
you're supplying isn't the correct one?  Not likely I guess since it
apparently works in the IDE.

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On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com
 wrote:

  There shouldn't be anything infuriating about it.
 
  You have a password protected stack.  You set the passkey of that stack
 to
  your password value.  You should then be able to access/copy objects from
  that stack.
 

 but that doesn't seem to be the case for me.

 on mouseUp
answer in the button scrpt  cr  exists (stack rawForms)
set the passkey of stack rawForms to blahBlahBlah
answer the result
send yeehaw2 to stack rawForms
answer yeehaw2 sent
 end mouseUp

  the first answer confirms true for the existence.

 THe next line causes 
 an error occurred on line 0

 558,0,0,password
 535,3,1
 241,3,1, mouseup
 353,0,0,long name of button


  The passkey stays in effect for the current editing session.  When you
  close stack (or otherwise remove it from memory), your stack contents
  should not be accessible the next time you open stack.  Passkey is
  temporary, password is persistent.
 


 I'm only setting the password itself in the Standalone Application Settings
 window, if that matters, so the problem ony happens once I make a
 standaone.



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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Scott Rossi]

There shouldn't be anything infuriating about it.

You have a password protected stack.  You set the passkey of that stack to
your password value.  You should then be able to access/copy objects from
that stack.

The passkey stays in effect for the current editing session.  When you
close stack (or otherwise remove it from memory), your stack contents
should not be accessible the next time you open stack.  Passkey is
temporary, password is persistent.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 4/14/15, 11:20 AM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com
wrote:

 If you set the passkey of the protected stack (to the password) before
 copying, you should be able to copy what you want


This is getting infuriating . . .

 what *is* the scope of the passkey?

I've tried setting it during stack initialization, even dumbing the
password down to abc, and I'm still getting the can't cut error.

Do I need to be setting it before every copy?


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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com
wrote:

 There shouldn't be anything infuriating about it.

 You have a password protected stack.  You set the passkey of that stack to
 your password value.  You should then be able to access/copy objects from
 that stack.


but that doesn't seem to be the case for me.

on mouseUp
   answer in the button scrpt  cr  exists (stack rawForms)
   set the passkey of stack rawForms to blahBlahBlah
   answer the result
   send yeehaw2 to stack rawForms
   answer yeehaw2 sent
end mouseUp

 the first answer confirms true for the existence.

THe next line causes 
an error occurred on line 0

558,0,0,password
535,3,1
241,3,1, mouseup
353,0,0,long name of button


 The passkey stays in effect for the current editing session.  When you
 close stack (or otherwise remove it from memory), your stack contents
 should not be accessible the next time you open stack.  Passkey is
 temporary, password is persistent.



I'm only setting the password itself in the Standalone Application Settings
window, if that matters, so the problem ony happens once I make a standaone.



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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Scott Rossi]

Does it work for you in the IDE?

Also, you're not using the Community Edition are you?  You can't password
protect with that version of LiveCode even though it shows the option in
the Standalone Builder.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 4/14/15, 1:50 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com
wrote:

 There shouldn't be anything infuriating about it.

 You have a password protected stack.  You set the passkey of that stack
to
 your password value.  You should then be able to access/copy objects
from
 that stack.


but that doesn't seem to be the case for me.

on mouseUp
   answer in the button scrpt  cr  exists (stack rawForms)
   set the passkey of stack rawForms to blahBlahBlah
   answer the result
   send yeehaw2 to stack rawForms
   answer yeehaw2 sent
end mouseUp

 the first answer confirms true for the existence.

THe next line causes 
an error occurred on line 0

558,0,0,password
535,3,1
241,3,1, mouseup
353,0,0,long name of button


 The passkey stays in effect for the current editing session.  When you
 close stack (or otherwise remove it from memory), your stack contents
 should not be accessible the next time you open stack.  Passkey is
 temporary, password is persistent.



I'm only setting the password itself in the Standalone Application
Settings
window, if that matters, so the problem ony happens once I make a
standaone.



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copying from password protected substacks

[Dr. Hawkins]

I absolutely need my source stacks encrypted.

I have found that when I try to copy a group from a stack that I clone
(turns out to be much faster to add objects to that group and delete the
group than to delete individual items), I get a  can't cut object.  Stack
is password protected error in the standalone (but not in the IDE).

While the obvious answer in this case is to have another empty group to
clone as part of the stack, this won't solve other cases where I function
by copying groups from source stacks.

This error also seems incorrect; I am not cutting . . .

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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Richard,

You can't copy controls from password protected stacks, because that 
would allow you to paste controls on unprotected stacks and read the 
scripts.


The solution is to create controls in an unprotected stack without 
scripts and set the parentScript of these controls to a button with a 
script on a password protected stack.


I do this in my software Strõm, which copies the new components for a 
flow diagram from an unprotected stack, but has all its scripts 
protected by passwords.


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On 4/12/2015 00:52, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

I absolutely need my source stacks encrypted.

I have found that when I try to copy a group from a stack that I clone
(turns out to be much faster to add objects to that group and delete the
group than to delete individual items), I get a  can't cut object.  Stack
is password protected error in the standalone (but not in the IDE).

While the obvious answer in this case is to have another empty group to
clone as part of the stack, this won't solve other cases where I function
by copying groups from source stacks.

This error also seems incorrect; I am not cutting . . .



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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

 have found that when I try to copy a group from a stack that I clone
 (turns out to be much faster to add objects to that group and delete the
 group than to delete individual items), I get a  can't cut object.


Also, all of the substacks are encrypted with the same password on compile,
but otherwise the stacks do not have passwords.


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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Mark Schonewille 
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote:

 You can't copy controls from password protected stacks, because that would
 allow you to paste controls on unprotected stacks and read the scripts.


Thanks.  But this will make life *much* more difficult.  Can I copy from
the protected stacks *to* another stack from a script within the protected
stack (my experiments suggest no).

Also, none of the things I want to copy have scripts (although some have a
behavior in a button on another stack).



 The solution is to create controls in an unprotected stack without scripts
 and set the parentScript of these controls to a button with a script on a
 password protected stack.


Actually, I would rather keep even the controls protected--there is serious
work in their custom properties (and tedious work in creating them to match
the federal forms!)

There is not an issue of anyone else ever getting the unprotected stacks in
an IDE; only the standalone will ever distribute.


 I do this in my software Strõm, which copies the new components for a flow
 diagram from an unprotected stack, but has all its scripts protected by
 passwords.


Does it make sense to in some way unlock the stacks after loading?  But
this would need the password for the other scripts


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Re: copying from password protected substacks

[Scott Rossi]

If you set the passkey of the protected stack (to the password) before
copying, you should be able to copy what you want.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 4/11/15, 5:10 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks.  But this will make life *much* more difficult.  Can I copy from
the protected stacks *to* another stack from a script within the protected
stack (my experiments suggest no).

Also, none of the things I want to copy have scripts (although some have a
behavior in a button on another stack).




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Re: scope of gRevAppIcon on substacks

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com wrote:

 From the dictionary:

 -
 LiveCode looks for the specified image in the following order:


Thanks.  That  and Jacqui's explanation of standalones will probably solve
everything (it really doesn't matter whether it gives me the images in the
IDE).

But where did you find that in the Dictionary?  I don't see it in 7.0.3
under gRevAppIcon


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Re: scope of gRevAppIcon on substacks

[Peter M. Brigham]

Look under icon. You're loading the global, and then the engine is executing 
the equivalent of:
   global gRevAppIcon
   set the icon of button xxx of stack Answer Dialog to gRevAppIcon
so the rules for setting icons apply.

-- Peter

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On Mar 7, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From the dictionary:
 
 -
 LiveCode looks for the specified image in the following order:
 
 
 Thanks.  That  and Jacqui's explanation of standalones will probably solve
 everything (it really doesn't matter whether it gives me the images in the
 IDE).
 
 But where did you find that in the Dictionary?  I don't see it in 7.0.3
 under gRevAppIcon
 
 
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Re: scope of gRevAppIcon on substacks

[Peter M. Brigham]

You don't have to have the icons in the stack in which it occurs. What I do is 
call a handler in my library stack setupicons:

on setupicons
   global gRevAppIcon,gRevSmallAppIcon
   put 2241 into gRevAppIcon
   put 2242 into gRevSmallAppIcon
end setupicons

From the dictionary:

-
LiveCode looks for the specified image in the following order:

1) The stack of the object's behavior (if applicable)
2) The stack of the owner of the object's behavior (if applicable)
 ...
n) The stack of the object's stack's behavior (if applicable)
A) The object's stack
B) The object's stack's mainstack (if a substack)
C) The object's stack's mainstacks substacks
D) The list of open stacks, in order they were loaded
-

What you DO have to do is call this every time before you invoke an ask or 
answer dialog. The globals seem to be reset on idle, so they don't stick. It's 
a PITA that way.

-- Peter

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On Mar 6, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

 I'm trying (finally) to use gRevAppIcon, which displays an icon in ask 
 answer.
 
 It seems that this uses the *short* id of the image, which would seem to
 limit it to the stack in which it occurs (or possibly to the main stack).
 
 I've set it as a global in my mainstack, and it is used in the test answer
 that follows--but then it does not appear in the list of global variables.
 
 Do I need to have this image lurking in every stack?  that sounds like a
 maintenance nightmare . . .
 
 Or am I doing something wrong?
 
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scope of gRevAppIcon on substacks

[Dr. Hawkins]

I'm trying (finally) to use gRevAppIcon, which displays an icon in ask 
answer.

It seems that this uses the *short* id of the image, which would seem to
limit it to the stack in which it occurs (or possibly to the main stack).

I've set it as a global in my mainstack, and it is used in the test answer
that follows--but then it does not appear in the list of global variables.

Do I need to have this image lurking in every stack?  that sounds like a
maintenance nightmare . . .

Or am I doing something wrong?

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Re: scope of gRevAppIcon on substacks

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/6/2015 9:58 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:

What you DO have to do is call this every time before you invoke an
ask or answer dialog. The globals seem to be reset on idle, so they
don't stick. It's a PITA that way.


In a standalone it sticks and you only need to set it up once. It's just 
the IDE that fights for control.


What I do is put the icons in my main stack, which becomes the 
standalone, and give the images very high IDs, something with at least 5 
or 6 digits. That way it's unlikely any other image IDs will get that 
high and they're always found no matter what stack is currently the 
default. That way I don't need any special handler for it, just the one 
setup statement when the standalone opens.


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Re: Best Practice: Prevent Substacks from Triggering Main Stack Scripts

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:33 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com
wrote:

 If almost everything needs to use the open* handlers except one or two
 stacks, then I put the handlers into the mainstack stack script and put
 blocking handlers into the stacks that are an exception.


This.

I quickly figured out that it as easier to trap in my mainstack handler
than to worry about putting it in every new substack . .


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Re: Best Practice: Prevent Substacks from Triggering Main Stack Scripts

[Bob Sneidar]

Put the handlers in the card script of the main stack. When opening the 
mainStack the card will receive the messages, but not when the substacks are 
opened. The card of the mainStack is not in the message path of the substacks. 

Alternately, you can put the same handlers in the substacks stack script and 
not pass them. 

Bob S


 On Feb 5, 2015, at 22:49 , Brahmanathaswami bra...@hindu.org wrote:
 
 If you put any preopenstack, resizestack, close stack etc. script in the 
 mainstack script.. these will be triggered by the same action in a substack.
 
 What is the best way to avoid this?
 
 I just moved all those to the main background group of the main stack, but 
 I'm not happy with that architecture. I'm so
 use to running most script in the main stack script for simplicity sake and 
 ease of finding things.
 
 I suppose one can install dummy handlers in the substacks to match.
 
 e.g
 on preopenstack
 end preopenstack
 
 and since you are not passing anything, I suspect it will prevent triggering 
 that handler in the main stack..
 
 But, what are you veterans doing to handle this?
 
 Swasti Astu, Be Well!
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Re: Best Practice: Prevent Substacks from Triggering Main Stack Scripts

[Bob Sneidar]

There are some advantages to using substacks methinks. The monistic 
automatically “knows” about the substacks without any extra coding or adding 
the stacks to the main stack files property. Also, I am not sure that graphics 
loaded in the main stack will be accessible to any stacks that are not 
substacks of the same. Thirdly, if you don’t want anyone to open the substack 
without first opening the main stack, a simple “if the mainStack of me is me 
then get the hell out” sort of command in the openStack script is all you need. 
There are probably some others. Not sure but if you password protect the main 
stack, aren’t the substacks inaccessible as well? Finally, I think it looks 
good organizationally. Just my humble opinion tho’.

Bob S


On Feb 6, 2015, at 01:12 , Mark Schonewille 
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.commailto:m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com 
wrote:

Hi Brahmanathaswami,

It isn't obligatory to use substacks. You could use two mainstacks 
simultaneously. Just make sure to include the additional mainstacks as files 
when you build a standalone.

With two mainstacks, the scripts in one stack won't be triggered by messages 
from the other. If you have handlers that you want to use in both stacks, you 
can put those handlers into another separate stack and use that as a library 
with the start using command or by defining front and back scripts.

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Re: Best Practice: Prevent Substacks from Triggering Main Stack Scripts

[J. Landman Gay]

On 2/6/2015 1:38 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Not sure but if you password protect the main stack, aren’t the
substacks inaccessible as well?


Nope. You have to protect each one separately.

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Re: Best Practice: Prevent Substacks from Triggering Main Stack Scripts

[J. Landman Gay]

On 2/6/2015 12:49 AM, Brahmanathaswami wrote:

If you put any preopenstack, resizestack, close stack etc. script in the
mainstack script.. these will be triggered by the same action in a
substack.

What is the best way to avoid this?


I usually do the thing where you put the open* handlers into the first 
card of the mainstack. It's easiest.


If there are handlers that should be shared, but only with a few stacks, 
I put those handlers into the mainstack and check in the first line of 
the handler to see if the target is one of the stacks it needs to work 
with, and if not it exits.


If almost everything needs to use the open* handlers except one or two 
stacks, then I put the handlers into the mainstack stack script and put 
blocking handlers into the stacks that are an exception.


So I guess the answer is...it depends.

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Re: Best Practice: Prevent Substacks from Triggering Main Stack Scripts

[Brahmanathaswami]

it depends

got it... for me it's not about protecting anything..

it's about..eg.

on resizestack x,y

  set the rect of some grc to the rect of this card
# and other tricks here  relating to dynamic geometry changes...

end resize stack

This gets triggered by a substack that does not have those controlled.

How do you do this in real code

on resizestack x,y
 if this stack is not the stack that this handler resides in then
   do nothing
else
  set the rect of some grc to the rect of this card
# and other tricks here  relating to dynamic geometry changes...

  end if

end resizestack



Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com



J. Landman Gay wrote:


I usually do the thing where you put the open* handlers into the first 
card of the mainstack. It's easiest.


If there are handlers that should be shared, but only with a few 
stacks, I put those handlers into the mainstack and check in the first 
line of the handler to see if the target is one of the stacks it needs 
to work with, and if not it exits.


If almost everything needs to use the open* handlers except one or two 
stacks, then I put the handlers into the mainstack stack script and 
put blocking handlers into the stacks that are an exception.


So I guess the answer is...it depends. 


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Re: Best Practice: Prevent Substacks from Triggering Main Stack Scripts

[Richard Gaskin]

Brahmanathaswami wrote:


it depends

got it... for me it's not about protecting anything..

it's about..eg.

on resizestack x,y
   set the rect of some grc to the rect of this card
# and other tricks here  relating to dynamic geometry changes...
end resize stack

This gets triggered by a substack that does not have those controlled.

How do you do this in real code

on resizestack x,y
  if this stack is not the stack that this handler resides in then
do nothing
else
   set the rect of some grc to the rect of this card
# and other tricks here  relating to dynamic geometry changes...
   end if
end resizestack


If the mainstack is a single card, just put the handler in the card script.

If the mainstack has multiple cards, put the handler in a common group 
script.


If neither of those are viable in your setup, you could add a check to 
make sure the long name of me is in the long ID of the target.


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Re: Best Practice: Prevent Substacks from Triggering Main Stack Scripts

[Brahmanathaswami]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

1) If the mainstack is a single card, just put the handler in the card 
script.


2) If the mainstack has multiple cards, put the handler in a common 
group script.


3) If neither of those are viable in your setup, you could add a check 
to make sure the long name of me is in the long ID of the target.



BR:  Understood. I doing # 2 now... so I guess that will do for now.




How do you do this in real code

on resizestack x,y
  if this stack is not the stack that this handler resides in then
do nothing
else
   set the rect of some grc to the rect of this card
# and other tricks here  relating to dynamic geometry changes...
   end if
end resizestack





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Re: Best Practice: Prevent Substacks from Triggering Main Stack Scripts

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Brahmanathaswami,

It isn't obligatory to use substacks. You could use two mainstacks 
simultaneously. Just make sure to include the additional mainstacks as 
files when you build a standalone.


With two mainstacks, the scripts in one stack won't be triggered by 
messages from the other. If you have handlers that you want to use in 
both stacks, you can put those handlers into another separate stack and 
use that as a library with the start using command or by defining front 
and back scripts.


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On 2/6/2015 07:49, Brahmanathaswami wrote:

If you put any preopenstack, resizestack, close stack etc. script in the
mainstack script.. these will be triggered by the same action in a
substack.

What is the best way to avoid this?

I just moved all those to the main background group of the main stack,
but I'm not happy with that architecture. I'm so
use to running most script in the main stack script for simplicity sake
and ease of finding things.

I suppose one can install dummy handlers in the substacks to match.

e.g
on preopenstack
end preopenstack

and since you are not passing anything, I suspect it will prevent
triggering that handler in the main stack..

But, what are you veterans doing to handle this?

Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

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Re: Best Practice: Prevent Substacks from Triggering Main Stack Scripts

[Scott Rossi]

If you can do it, the easiest way is to place all your handlers in the card 
script of the first card of your main stack.  All the handlers will be 
triggered by the main stack, but not the substacks.

If you must place your handlers in the stack script, you can compare the name 
of the owner of the target at the beginning of each handler, something like:
if the short name of the owner of the target  the short name of me then exit 
resizeStack

Otherwise, your method of placing blocking scripts in the substacks will work 
too, but the card script of card 1 of the main stack is really the easiest 
method.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design

 On Feb 5, 2015, at 10:49 PM, Brahmanathaswami bra...@hindu.org wrote:
 
 If you put any preopenstack, resizestack, close stack etc. script in the 
 mainstack script.. these will be triggered by the same action in a substack.
 
 What is the best way to avoid this?
 
 I just moved all those to the main background group of the main stack, but 
 I'm not happy with that architecture. I'm so
 use to running most script in the main stack script for simplicity sake and 
 ease of finding things.
 
 I suppose one can install dummy handlers in the substacks to match.
 
 e.g
 on preopenstack
 end preopenstack
 
 and since you are not passing anything, I suspect it will prevent triggering 
 that handler in the main stack..
 
 But, what are you veterans doing to handle this?
 
 Swasti Astu, Be Well!
 Brahmanathaswami
 
 Kauai's Hindu Monastery
 www.HimalayanAcademy.com
 
 
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Best Practice: Prevent Substacks from Triggering Main Stack Scripts

[Brahmanathaswami]

If you put any preopenstack, resizestack, close stack etc. script in the 
mainstack script.. these will be triggered by the same action in a substack.


What is the best way to avoid this?

I just moved all those to the main background group of the main stack, 
but I'm not happy with that architecture. I'm so
use to running most script in the main stack script for simplicity sake 
and ease of finding things.


I suppose one can install dummy handlers in the substacks to match.

e.g
on preopenstack
end preopenstack

and since you are not passing anything, I suspect it will prevent 
triggering that handler in the main stack..


But, what are you veterans doing to handle this?

Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com


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Re: TemplateStacks or SubStacks, Which is better?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Cal,

The templateStack is something that only exists in memory. A 
templateStack is only displayed when you make a new stack. A substack 
can exist both in memory and on disk and you don't need to make a new 
stack to display it.


What you will use, depends on what you want to do. Perhaps you tell a 
little more about that?


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On 4/15/2014 06:24, Cal Horner wrote:

There comes a time in the use of LiveCode when you run across the concept of
a template stack or a substack as a entry/data display form. The questions
that you might be faced with are:

  Which one should you use?
Which is the most efficient as a form(date entry) etc.?
How much memory does each type take up?
What are the difference in speed?

I'm sure I could go on and on and probably you could too.

I'm looking for some direction on these and other questions like these and I
would expect that the answers are hidden somewhere in this forum.

If you can shed any light on these perplexing questions please take the
time to respond.

Cal




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TemplateStacks or SubStacks, Which is better?

[Cal Horner]

There comes a time in the use of LiveCode when you run across the concept of
a template stack or a substack as a entry/data display form. The questions
that you might be faced with are:

 Which one should you use?
Which is the most efficient as a form(date entry) etc.?
How much memory does each type take up?
What are the difference in speed?

I'm sure I could go on and on and probably you could too.

I'm looking for some direction on these and other questions like these and I
would expect that the answers are hidden somewhere in this forum.

If you can shed any light on these perplexing questions please take the
time to respond.

Cal
 
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excluding substacks from standalone build

[Dr. Hawkins]

I had thought that there was an option to determine which substacks got
built into a standalone.  Was I mistake?

So if I have substacks that are only used for development, and not by users
do I do something like

shell copy thisstack.livecode to buildme.livecode
send prepareyourself to stack delete of buildme.livecode


with a handler like

on prepareyourself
updatePlist
delete stack dev1
delete stack dev2
dispatch delete stack deletein 10 millisecond
dispatch buildstandalone in 1 second
end prepareyourself

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sharing menus among substacks

[Dr. Hawkins]

Some time ago, I went through the hassle of making menus, and copying them
between my substacks.

Is there *any* way to simply have a single menu set that stays in sync
among substacks, rather then needing to copy to every substack every time???
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Re: sharing menus among substacks

[J. Landman Gay]

On 3/2/13 9:24 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

Some time ago, I went through the hassle of making menus, and copying them
between my substacks.

Is there *any* way to simply have a single menu set that stays in sync
among substacks, rather then needing to copy to every substack every time???


Set the defaultmenubar, at least on Mac. On Windows you're stuck, unless 
you provide a menubar stack like the IDE does.


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Re: sharing menus among substacks

[Peter Haworth]

Probably the closest is to use a behavior.  Set up a menu somewhere in your
stack that includes all the scripts to handle its usage.  Then set the
behavior of of each of your menus to the ID of that button
Pete
lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com


On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Some time ago, I went through the hassle of making menus, and copying them
 between my substacks.

 Is there *any* way to simply have a single menu set that stays in sync
 among substacks, rather then needing to copy to every substack every
 time???
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omitting substacks from standalone

[Dr. Hawkins]

I'm looking through the options, and can't find a way to do it.

Is there a way to omit substacks from the standalone when I build it?

Or do I need to build a script to duplicate the stack modify that
stack, and build a standalone for it?

Thanks

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Re: omitting substacks from standalone

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Richard,

I don't understand why you would want that. You make a project either with or 
without substacks and if you decide you don't want substacks anymore then you 
just delete them.

If you want your substacks to be in separate files, you can check an option in 
the standalone application settings, which does this for you. The option is on 
the Stacks pane of the Standalone Application Settings window.

If this isn't what you want, I'd suggest you explain a little more about what 
you're trying to accomplish.

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On 17 aug 2012, at 21:45, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

 I'm looking through the options, and can't find a way to do it.
 
 Is there a way to omit substacks from the standalone when I build it?
 
 Or do I need to build a script to duplicate the stack modify that
 stack, and build a standalone for it?
 
 Thanks
 
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 Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
 (702) 508-8462
 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com
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 Suite A
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Re: omitting substacks from standalone

[Dr. Hawkins]

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Mark Schonewille
m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote:

 If this isn't what you want, I'd suggest you explain a little more about what 
 you're
 trying to accomplish.

I have a few operative substacks, but I also have an administrative
substack that sets things in the other stacks that are to be
hard-wired. I'd rather that this one simply not be in what actually
ships to people, just in case of some bizarre future hack.

For reasons in a thread from a couple of months ago, I'm going to be
hard-wiring some things into code, so that they can't be examined.
This stack manipulates those sections of code.

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Re: omitting substacks from standalone

[Peter Haworth]

I'd suggest you have a separate administrative main stack that does
whatever it needs to do to your application stack.
Pete
lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com



On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Dr. Hawkins doch...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Mark Schonewille
 m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote:
 
  If this isn't what you want, I'd suggest you explain a little more about
 what you're
  trying to accomplish.

 I have a few operative substacks, but I also have an administrative
 substack that sets things in the other stacks that are to be
 hard-wired. I'd rather that this one simply not be in what actually
 ships to people, just in case of some bizarre future hack.

 For reasons in a thread from a couple of months ago, I'm going to be
 hard-wiring some things into code, so that they can't be examined.
 This stack manipulates those sections of code.

 --
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 Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
 (702) 508-8462
 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com
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 Suite A
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Saving to substacks in standalones

[tbodine]

Hi all.

I've been reading recent discussions here about saving substacks in
standalones and have a few followup questions.

Here's the plan: The app is for Mac/Win/iOS and will use a stub
(splashscreen) as the main stack.  I'll put the app logic code in a substack
and use another substack as a template for the user data file. When the user
makes a new project, save stack as will clone the template into a writable
location and save stack should work after that. If the user chooses to
Open an existing project, the ask command will point to a user docs folder.

Questions:

* Since the App Store requires apps to be a single executable, does LC
bundle these substacks within the standalone so they pass inspection? If so,
then at runtime a simple save stack as could clone the bundled substack?
* In the sandbox of iOS, where is a writable area? (I see the documents
folder will find it, but is that a general folder or one specific to the
app?)
* I anticipate some users will want to make their file on desktop (for
keyboarding) and transfer the file to iOS. Will iOS allow emailed document
attachments to be saved in a place that apps can use them? (I see iTunes 
Apps has a File Sharing control that seems to enable specified apps a way to
transfer documents.)  Anyone done that with a LC app?
* Any other advice? The app uses a lot of formatted text, so planning to use
the new field features.

Thanks for your answers and advice.

Tom Bodine


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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Bob Sneidar]

The debugger is your friend here. Insert a breakpoint and then step through 
your code to see what your variables *really* contain. If your variable is 
Roberte Clemente of stack Kids, then in the words of an old and wise farmer, 
You can't get there from here. You are saying that there is a card named 
Roberte Clemente of stack Kids and that card really does not exist. 

Bob


On Jun 18, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Mark Rauterkus wrote:

 Hi Again,
 
 I can't build a script that crafts a temp variable that can be used in
 a go to card name script.
 
 #Fail for me.
 
 So, I want to go to a different stack. -- check.
 write to a field -- check
 
 But I can't get to the proper card.
 
 I put the card name into that vTempC temp handle, complete with
 quotes. When I put the vTempC into the message box it is just as I
 want it to be.
 
 Saying again.
 
 I want to go to card Roberto Clemente in stack Kids
 That works. But, I need a script off of a button to insert the
 Roberto Clement part.
 
 So, this line breaks:
 put Present on  the short english date  return after field
 Attendance of card x of stack Kids
 
 And the failure message, I've seen for hours now, is:
 
 executing at 10:02:51 PM
 Type  Chunk: can't find card
 ObjectYo! Present
 Line  put Present on  the short english date  return after field
 Attendance of card z of stack Kids
 Hint  mouseUp
 
 
 
 --
 Ta.
 
 
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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Mark Rauterkus]

Hi,

Still here with newbie frustration and needing to move along.

So, 

This works for me in a button.

on mouseUp tUserName
   put Roberto Clemente into tUserName
   put Present on  the short english date  return after field
Attendance of card tUserName of stack Kids
end mouseUp

But this does NOT work, I guess, because I am wrongly building the
tUserName so that tUserName is not valid in the script..

on mouseUp tUserName, tCharCount, tFirstName, tSecondName
   get word 1 of field Filtered_Results
   put it into tFirstName
   get word 2 of field Filtered_Results
   put it into tSecondName
   put quote  tFirstName  space  tSecondName  quote into tUserName

   -- put tUserName into msg box -- Works fine, shows Roberto Clemente

   put Present on  the short english date  return after field
Attendance of card tUserName of stack Kids

end mouseUp


- - - other notes: - -

executing at 2:02:27 PM
TypeChunk: can't find card
Object  Here  Present
Lineput Present on  the short english date  return after field
Attendance of card tUserName of stack Kids
HintmouseUp

- - -
I've tried building that card name temp var all sorts of way, and no
luck with me.



Help greatly desired.



Mark Rauterkus
m...@rauterkus.com

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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Devin Asay]

Mark,

You don't need to include the quotes in your card name. The way you're doing it 
the name is literally:

 Roberto Clemente

So in effect you are asking LC to go to a card with the name that *includes* 
the quotes.

Just leave out the quote constants:

put tFirstName  space  tSecondName into tUserName

Regards,

Devin

On Jun 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Mark Rauterkus wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Still here with newbie frustration and needing to move along.
 
 So, 
 
 This works for me in a button.
 
 on mouseUp tUserName
   put Roberto Clemente into tUserName
   put Present on  the short english date  return after field
 Attendance of card tUserName of stack Kids
 end mouseUp
 
 But this does NOT work, I guess, because I am wrongly building the
 tUserName so that tUserName is not valid in the script..
 
 on mouseUp tUserName, tCharCount, tFirstName, tSecondName
   get word 1 of field Filtered_Results
   put it into tFirstName
   get word 2 of field Filtered_Results
   put it into tSecondName
   put quote  tFirstName  space  tSecondName  quote into tUserName
 
   -- put tUserName into msg box -- Works fine, shows Roberto Clemente
 
   put Present on  the short english date  return after field
 Attendance of card tUserName of stack Kids
 
 end mouseUp
 
 
 - - - other notes: - -
 
   executing at 2:02:27 PM
 Type  Chunk: can't find card
 ObjectHere  Present
 Line  put Present on  the short english date  return after field
 Attendance of card tUserName of stack Kids
 Hint  mouseUp
 
 - - -
 I've tried building that card name temp var all sorts of way, and no
 luck with me.
 
 
 
 Help greatly desired.
 
 
 
 Mark Rauterkus
 m...@rauterkus.com
 
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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Peter Haworth]

Don't put the quotes around the name in tUsername.
Pete
lcSQL Software http://www.lcsql.com



On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Mark Rauterkus
mark.rauter...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 Still here with newbie frustration and needing to move along.

 So, 

 This works for me in a button.

 on mouseUp tUserName
   put Roberto Clemente into tUserName
   put Present on  the short english date  return after field
 Attendance of card tUserName of stack Kids
 end mouseUp

 But this does NOT work, I guess, because I am wrongly building the
 tUserName so that tUserName is not valid in the script..

 on mouseUp tUserName, tCharCount, tFirstName, tSecondName
   get word 1 of field Filtered_Results
   put it into tFirstName
   get word 2 of field Filtered_Results
   put it into tSecondName
   put quote  tFirstName  space  tSecondName  quote into tUserName

   -- put tUserName into msg box -- Works fine, shows Roberto Clemente

   put Present on  the short english date  return after field
 Attendance of card tUserName of stack Kids

 end mouseUp


 - - - other notes: - -

executing at 2:02:27 PM
 TypeChunk: can't find card
 Object  Here  Present
 Lineput Present on  the short english date  return after field
 Attendance of card tUserName of stack Kids
 HintmouseUp

 - - -
 I've tried building that card name temp var all sorts of way, and no
 luck with me.



 Help greatly desired.



 Mark Rauterkus
 m...@rauterkus.com

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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Peter M. Brigham]

The mouseup message accepts one parameter, which is the number of the button 
pressed, normally 1 (left-click) or 3 (right-click). You can't pass other info 
along with the message, you have to build up your data inside the handler, as 
you in fact do with the stuff below that works.

On Jun 19, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Mark Rauterkus wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Still here with newbie frustration and needing to move along.
 
 So, 
 
 This works for me in a button.
 
 on mouseUp tUserName
here tUserName probably contains 1 for left-click
   put Roberto Clemente into tUserName
now you fill the variable with another value, the one you want
   put Present on  the short english date  return after field
 Attendance of card tUserName of stack Kids
 end mouseUp
 
 But this does NOT work, I guess, because I am wrongly building the
 tUserName so that tUserName is not valid in the script..
 
 on mouseUp tUserName, tCharCount, tFirstName, tSecondName
here tUserName is probably 1 and the 3 following variables are empty -- 
mouseup only understands one parameter and it understands it as the 
identifier for the button pressed
   get word 1 of field Filtered_Results
   put it into tFirstName
   get word 2 of field Filtered_Results
   put it into tSecondName
   put quote  tFirstName  space  tSecondName  quote into tUserName
now you fill tUserName with another value, replacing the 1, so the line below 
now gives what you want
 
   -- put tUserName into msg box -- Works fine, shows Roberto Clemente
 
   put Present on  the short english date  return after field
 Attendance of card tUserName of stack Kids
if you are getting an error here, then there is no card named Roberto 
Clemente -- maybe you named it Clemente, Roberto?
 
 end mouseUp

Read the documentation on setting breakpoints, and set a breakpoint as the 
first line in your script. Then when you try to execute the script it will stop 
on the breakpoint and you can step through line by line and check the contents 
of your variables as you go. When code isn't working, this is the easiest 
(only?) way to debug it.

-- Peter

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PROGRAM, n. A series of instructions that tells a computer to turn
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jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Mark Rauterkus]

Hi,

My database for camper kids is progressing, but some newbie head
scratching is in full force.

Cards in a mainstack keep contact info and attendance details, one
card per person. This seems to be working fine, except when I jump to
different substacks. Then an error occurs. Case in point: I am
building a FIND sub-stack, with one card. But I want to make a list
of all the cards in the stack and take to the other stack and load it
into a custom property in a field. Got it working, sorta.

But on the way between stacks, I get weird errors. This is one.

...
on openCard
   get field boy
   if it = 1 then set the hilite of button male to true else set the
hilight of button male to false
end openCard
...
...

Debugger says: Stack Kids: execution error at line 3 (Chunk: no such
object) near boy, char 4


Perhaps I should do on preOpenCard?

= =
Q2: I could not figure out how to call a custom property of a field of
the mainstack while working in a substack. So, my workaround was to
make a hidden field in the substack that also had the same field
custom property. I set it once and then went to the other stack and
set it again.

on mouseUp
   put  into index1
   get the number of cards in this stack
   put it into tRepeats
   Repeat for tRepeats
  global index1
  go to next card
  put (the short name of this card)  return after index1
   end repeat
   -- Generates first name sorting
   sort index1
   set the cNewmanList2 of field NewmanResults to index1

   Open Stack Quickie_Finder
   set the cNewmanList2 of field NewmanResults to index1
end mouseUp

Notice above that the last line is called twice, once for each stack.

The debugger error in Q1 also comes when this scrip is called. It is a
button to go to a FIND substack of one card.

Thanks for any clarification.


--
Ta.


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PPS Summer Dreamers' Swim and Water Polo Camp Head Coach with
Neighborhood Learning Alliance

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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Bob Sneidar]

I'm not entirely sure this is the issue, but let me describe how Livecode 
interprets your code. When you say field boy, Livecode translates that to 
field boy of the current card of the topstack (others will correct me if I 
am wrong). LC allows you to do this for the sake of brevity in coding, so you 
do not have to spell out the full path to every object in order to use it. But 
it's something you need to keep in mind when you being to navigate to different 
cards in a script. 

If the card you navigate to does not have a field named boy when the script 
executes, you will get this error. Also, you should develop the habit now of 
putting quotes around your object names, because you may at some point use a 
reserved word for a field name, and LC will probably not even compile your code 
at that point. 

Bob


On Jun 18, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Mark Rauterkus wrote:

 Hi,
 
 My database for camper kids is progressing, but some newbie head
 scratching is in full force.
 
 Cards in a mainstack keep contact info and attendance details, one
 card per person. This seems to be working fine, except when I jump to
 different substacks. Then an error occurs. Case in point: I am
 building a FIND sub-stack, with one card. But I want to make a list
 of all the cards in the stack and take to the other stack and load it
 into a custom property in a field. Got it working, sorta.
 
 But on the way between stacks, I get weird errors. This is one.
 
 ...
 on openCard
   get field boy
   if it = 1 then set the hilite of button male to true else set the
 hilight of button male to false
 end openCard
 ...
 ...
 
 Debugger says: Stack Kids: execution error at line 3 (Chunk: no such
 object) near boy, char 4
 
 
 Perhaps I should do on preOpenCard?
 
 = =
 Q2: I could not figure out how to call a custom property of a field of
 the mainstack while working in a substack. So, my workaround was to
 make a hidden field in the substack that also had the same field
 custom property. I set it once and then went to the other stack and
 set it again.
 
 on mouseUp
   put  into index1
   get the number of cards in this stack
   put it into tRepeats
   Repeat for tRepeats
  global index1
  go to next card
  put (the short name of this card)  return after index1
   end repeat
   -- Generates first name sorting
   sort index1
   set the cNewmanList2 of field NewmanResults to index1
 
   Open Stack Quickie_Finder
   set the cNewmanList2 of field NewmanResults to index1
 end mouseUp
 
 Notice above that the last line is called twice, once for each stack.
 
 The debugger error in Q1 also comes when this scrip is called. It is a
 button to go to a FIND substack of one card.
 
 Thanks for any clarification.
 
 
 --
 Ta.
 
 
 Mark Rauterkus   mark.rauter...@gmail.com
 PPS Summer Dreamers' Swim and Water Polo Camp Head Coach with
 Neighborhood Learning Alliance
 
 http://NeighborhoodLearning.org
 
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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Mark Rauterkus]

Hi,

Yep. LC just went strict with me.

Errors such as:
stack Kids: compilation error at line 4 (Expression: unquoted
literal), char 46

For the past week or two I've been FINE without these issues. Seemed
as if LC didn't care. Now I've gone back throughout the code looking
at the colors of the words in the scrips.

Even asking me to name temp vars in handlers.

This works:

on mouseUp
   go to card Roberto Clemente of stack Kids
end mouseUp

But, this does not:

on mouseUp vTempC
   go to card vTempC of stack Kids
end mouseUp


Then end game is like this, but it is breaks for me, despite the var
being accurate in the debugger when the mouse hovers.

put Present on  the short english date  return after field
Attendance of card vTempC of stack Kids


full script puts the quotes around the proper card name. All cards in
the stack are in two words as in Donald Duck.


on mouseUp vTempC
   -- make var empty but also start it with a quote
   put  into vTempC
   put quote into vTempC

   --works but there are spaces after the second word
   get word 1 of field Filtered_Results
   put it after vTempC
   put space after vTempC
   get word 2 of field Filtered_Results
   put it after vTempC
   put quote after vTempC

   -- put vTempC into msg box

   --desire only 2 words for one person.
   -- get the number of words of vTempC
   -- put it into msg box

   -- showing up as 1, not 2 as expected?

   -- if the number of words in tFiltered_Results is two
   -- then
   -- doAttendance
   -- set lockscreen to true
   -- find the card
   -- go to stack Kids
   -- go to card vTempC of stack Kids
   -- Put this into the field Attendence

   -- MR not good with the date and time yet
   put Present on  the short english date  return after field
Attendance of card vTempC of stack Kids
   --   touchAttendence -- a card script

   --exit or make multiple entries for doAttendance
   -- else
   -- if the number of words in tFiltered_Results is one then beep
   -- if the number of words in tFiltered_Results  2 then beep 2
   -- if tFiltered_Results is empty then beep 3
   --end if
end mouseUp


--
Ta.


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PPS Summer Dreamers' Swim and Water Polo Camp Head Coach with
Neighborhood Learning Alliance

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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Bob Sneidar]

I do not see how the second form has any meaning. vTempC will be the number of 
the mouse button you clicked. 

Bob


On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Mark Rauterkus wrote:

 This works:
 
 on mouseUp
   go to card Roberto Clemente of stack Kids
 end mouseUp
 
 But, this does not:
 
 on mouseUp vTempC
   go to card vTempC of stack Kids
 end mouseUp


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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Robert Brenstein]

On 18.06.2012 at 16:36 Uhr -0400 Mark Rauterkus apparently wrote:

Hi,

Yep. LC just went strict with me.

Errors such as:
stack Kids: compilation error at line 4 (Expression: unquoted
literal), char 46

For the past week or two I've been FINE without these issues. Seemed
as if LC didn't care. Now I've gone back throughout the code looking
at the colors of the words in the scrips.

Even asking me to name temp vars in handlers.


Yeah, strict it is. You must have turned on strict compilation 
mode.  Check editor preferences.


Robert

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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Robert Brenstein]

On 18.06.2012 at 12:03 Uhr -0700 Bob Sneidar apparently wrote:
I'm not entirely sure this is the issue, but let me describe how 
Livecode interprets your code. When you say field boy, Livecode 
translates that to field boy of the current card of the topstack 
(others will correct me if I am wrong). LC allows you to do this for 
the sake of brevity in coding, so you do not have to spell out the 
full path to every object in order to use it. But it's something you 
need to keep in mind when you being to navigate to different cards 
in a script.


Not topstack but defaultstack. Usually these are the same but not 
always. Also, when a script navigates to a new card/stack, its 
context will stay with the old card/stack by default.


@Mark: the solution for you is to extend the object reference to 
include the stack, so instead of


get fld boy
you say
get fld boy of stack indexstack

This works for fetching the custom properties as well. Like

get the mycustomproperty of fld boy of card 10 of stack indexstack

Mark, you should also look at the dialogData global property. It is 
handy to pass data when switching stacks.


Robert

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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Bob Sneidar]

On Jun 18, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

 On 18.06.2012 at 12:03 Uhr -0700 Bob Sneidar apparently wrote:
 I'm not entirely sure this is the issue, but let me describe how Livecode 
 interprets your code. When you say field boy, Livecode translates that to 
 field boy of the current card of the topstack (others will correct me if 
 I am wrong). LC allows you to do this for the sake of brevity in coding, so 
 you do not have to spell out the full path to every object in order to use 
 it. But it's something you need to keep in mind when you being to navigate 
 to different cards in a script.
 
 Not topstack but defaultstack. Usually these are the same but not always. 
 Also, when a script navigates to a new card/stack, its context will stay with 
 the old card/stack by default.

hmmm... If by context you mean that if I go to a card in another stack and get 
the name of this card, it will return the name of the card I came from and not 
the card  I went to, I think you are mistaken, but I may have misunderstood 
you. I tested this by opening a new stack and putting this script in a new 
button:

ON mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
go stack CSL Launcher
put the name of this card
go back
END mouseUp

I got the name of the current card in stack CSL Launcher (an app I am 
creating). 

Bob
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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Robert Brenstein]

On 18.06.2012 at 14:34 Uhr -0700 Bob Sneidar apparently wrote:
hmmm... If by context you mean that if I go to a card in another 
stack and get the name of this card, it will return the name of the 
card I came from and not the card  I went to, I think you are 
mistaken, but I may have misunderstood you.


I meant this in a sense discussed in the comments for, for example, 
the call command in LiveCode dictionary (in regards to differences 
between call and send).


Robert

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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[Mark Rauterkus]

Hi Again,

I can't build a script that crafts a temp variable that can be used in
a go to card name script.

#Fail for me.

So, I want to go to a different stack. -- check.
write to a field -- check

But I can't get to the proper card.

I put the card name into that vTempC temp handle, complete with
quotes. When I put the vTempC into the message box it is just as I
want it to be.

Saying again.

I want to go to card Roberto Clemente in stack Kids
That works. But, I need a script off of a button to insert the
Roberto Clement part.

So, this line breaks:
put Present on  the short english date  return after field
Attendance of card x of stack Kids

And the failure message, I've seen for hours now, is:

executing at 10:02:51 PM
TypeChunk: can't find card
Object  Yo! Present
Lineput Present on  the short english date  return after field
Attendance of card z of stack Kids
HintmouseUp



--
Ta.


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PPS Summer Dreamers' Swim and Water Polo Camp Head Coach with
Neighborhood Learning Alliance

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Re: jumping among Mainstack and substacks isn't easy

[J. Landman Gay]

On 6/18/12 9:05 PM, Mark Rauterkus wrote:

Hi Again,

I can't build a script that crafts a temp variable that can be used in
a go to card name script.

#Fail for me.

So, I want to go to a different stack. -- check.
write to a field -- check

But I can't get to the proper card.

I put the card name into that vTempC temp handle, complete with
quotes. When I put the vTempC into the message box it is just as I
want it to be.

Saying again.

I want to go to card Roberto Clemente in stack Kids
That works. But, I need a script off of a button to insert the
Roberto Clement part.

So, this line breaks:
put Present on  the short english date  return after field
Attendance of card x of stack Kids

And the failure message, I've seen for hours now, is:

executing at 10:02:51 PM
TypeChunk: can't find card
Object  Yo! Present
Lineput Present on  the short english date  return after field
Attendance of card z of stack Kids
HintmouseUp


It would be helpful if you could post whole handler, since the excerpts 
above don't give enough info. Some of the relevant variables don't 
match; for example, the script refers to the card as x and in the 
error it refers to z, and so forth.


What you want to do is usually pretty easy:

put Roberto Clement into tUserName
go cd tUserName of stack kids
put Present on  the short english date  return after field Attendance

Alternately, you don't need to actually go to the card, you can do it 
all from anywhere remotely, provided the stack is in memory somewhere:


put Roberto Clement into tUserName
put Present on  the short english date  return after field \
  Attendance of card tUserName of stack kids

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Time-Stamping Demo programs via substacks?

[Richmond]

Um:

--30 Day code--

if the fld STAMP of stack STAMP is empty then
  set the lockScreen to true
put the seconds into into fld STAMP of stack STAMP
save stack STAMP
  set the lockScreen to false
end if

put the seconds into DAZE30
put fld STAMP of stack STAMP into TSTAMP
if DAZE30  (TSTAMP + 2592000) then
  set the vis of img TIME IS UP CHUM to true
end if

--End 30 Day code--

This works very well in a stack (where stack STAMP is a substack of my 
mainstack),


will it work in a standalone?

or, put another way,

will the standalone save the time-stamp data in the substack?

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Re: Time-Stamping Demo programs via substacks?

[Pierre Sahores]

Richmond,

The best way to go is to call the DAZE30 function from your standalone and 
compare it with a TSTAMP reference stored on the cloud so your customers won't 
find any local file to delete to get a way to bypass your 30 days try-period 
key.

HTH,

Le 23 avr. 2012 à 10:31, Richmond a écrit :

 Um:
 
 --30 Day code--
 
 if the fld STAMP of stack STAMP is empty then
  set the lockScreen to true
put the seconds into into fld STAMP of stack STAMP
save stack STAMP
  set the lockScreen to false
 end if
 
 put the seconds into DAZE30
 put fld STAMP of stack STAMP into TSTAMP
 if DAZE30  (TSTAMP + 2592000) then
  set the vis of img TIME IS UP CHUM to true
 end if
 
 --End 30 Day code--
 
 This works very well in a stack (where stack STAMP is a substack of my 
 mainstack),
 
 will it work in a standalone?
 
 or, put another way,
 
 will the standalone save the time-stamp data in the substack?
 
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Re: Time-Stamping Demo programs via substacks?

[Richmond]

In the clouds, baby!

That presupposes that my target demographic are all connected, 
permanently, to the internet; and they are not.



Richmond,

The best way to go is to call the DAZE30 function from your standalone and 
compare it with a TSTAMP reference stored on the cloud so your customers won't 
find any local file to delete to get a way to bypass your 30 days try-period 
key.

HTH,

Le 23 avr. 2012 à 10:31, Richmond a écrit :


Um:

--30 Day code--

if the fld STAMP of stack STAMP is empty then
  set the lockScreen to true
put the seconds into into fld STAMP of stack STAMP
save stack STAMP
  set the lockScreen to false
end if

put the seconds into DAZE30
put fld STAMP of stack STAMP into TSTAMP
if DAZE30  (TSTAMP + 2592000) then
  set the vis of img TIME IS UP CHUM to true
end if

--End 30 Day code--

This works very well in a stack (where stack STAMP is a substack of my 
mainstack),

will it work in a standalone?

or, put another way,

will the standalone save the time-stamp data in the substack?

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Re: Confused about substacks

[Bob Sneidar]

Yes I was actually thinking about and had begun to make each card/form it's own 
stack, but when I got to the place of thinking about all the variables and code 
and message paths I had already set up and was deeply entrenched in, the hassle 
of making it all work non-modally so to speak seemed too much of a hassle. 

I guess the lesson to be learned here, is plan for standalone and modality 
before coding an app. Retooling can be a b!

Bob


On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

 Probably what will work is to make a stackrunner type of splash stack with
 any libraries etc included. Then you can have your real stack with its
 substacks be opened by the splash. As long as the right support stuff is
 included the splash you can go stack..  and it should be fine, and the
 splashstack can handle the saving of changes to your real stack.
 
 
 
 On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:
 
 Correction. You cannot go to a card in a new window. The command will
 ignore the new window and just go to the card in the existing window. That
 would be a nice feature enhancement for having multiple windows open on a
 single stack.
 
 Bob


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Confused about substacks

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi all. 

I am a bit confused now. I created a new stack, saved it, made it a substack of 
my splash stack. No problemo. I can see the substack on the hard drive, I can 
see the substack in the application browser as a substack of my splash stack. 

BUT THEN...

I right clicked my splash stack in the application browser, and created a new 
substack, named it, saved it, application browser looks peachy, but the stack 
file is not visible on the hard drive! Does making a stack a substack create a 
COPY of the original stack and imbed it in the main stack, or is the file 
hiding somewhere else on my hard drive? If the former, then am I correct in 
thinking I do not need the other stack files I CAN see on my hard drive, 
because there are now copies of them in the main stack?

I am s confused...

Bob


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Re: Confused about substacks

[Devin Asay]

Hi Bob,

When you turn a mainstack into a substack of another mainstack, that substack 
becomes part of the stackfile containing the mainstack. In effect the stackfile 
containing the former mainstack is orphaned. Usually I just get rid of these 
orphaned stackfiles to avoid confusion. 

Bottom line: substacks are part of the same stack file of the mainstack.

Hope this it what you were asking.

Devin


On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

 Hi all. 
 
 I am a bit confused now. I created a new stack, saved it, made it a substack 
 of my splash stack. No problemo. I can see the substack on the hard drive, I 
 can see the substack in the application browser as a substack of my splash 
 stack. 
 
 BUT THEN...
 
 I right clicked my splash stack in the application browser, and created a new 
 substack, named it, saved it, application browser looks peachy, but the stack 
 file is not visible on the hard drive! Does making a stack a substack create 
 a COPY of the original stack and imbed it in the main stack, or is the file 
 hiding somewhere else on my hard drive? If the former, then am I correct in 
 thinking I do not need the other stack files I CAN see on my hard drive, 
 because there are now copies of them in the main stack?
 
 I am s confused...
 
 Bob
 
 
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Re: Confused about substacks

[Mike Bonner]

Assuming you are doing this so that you can save your stack file, yes. When
you make a stack a substack, I do believe it incorporates it all together.
However, there is a setting in the standalone builder that avoids this when
you build a standalone. Its under the stacks heading, move substacks into
individual stack files.



On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:

 Hi all.

 I am a bit confused now. I created a new stack, saved it, made it a
 substack of my splash stack. No problemo. I can see the substack on the
 hard drive, I can see the substack in the application browser as a substack
 of my splash stack.

 BUT THEN...

 I right clicked my splash stack in the application browser, and created a
 new substack, named it, saved it, application browser looks peachy, but the
 stack file is not visible on the hard drive! Does making a stack a substack
 create a COPY of the original stack and imbed it in the main stack, or is
 the file hiding somewhere else on my hard drive? If the former, then am I
 correct in thinking I do not need the other stack files I CAN see on my
 hard drive, because there are now copies of them in the main stack?

 I am s confused...

 Bob


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Re: Confused about substacks

[Bob Sneidar]

Oic. Because if they are substacks of the splash stack then they are part of 
the standalone and therefore not editable. That makes sense. I think I am 
misusing substacks then. I should just make them individual stacks on the hard 
drive. The goal is to have multiple editable forms open at the same time, so 
having each form as it's own stack seemed a logical choice, but now I am not so 
sure. I wonder if I should just be using go card in new window instead? 

Bob


On Nov 18, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

 Assuming you are doing this so that you can save your stack file, yes. When
 you make a stack a substack, I do believe it incorporates it all together.
 However, there is a setting in the standalone builder that avoids this when
 you build a standalone. Its under the stacks heading, move substacks into
 individual stack files.
 
 
 
 On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 I am a bit confused now. I created a new stack, saved it, made it a
 substack of my splash stack. No problemo. I can see the substack on the
 hard drive, I can see the substack in the application browser as a substack
 of my splash stack.
 
 BUT THEN...
 
 I right clicked my splash stack in the application browser, and created a
 new substack, named it, saved it, application browser looks peachy, but the
 stack file is not visible on the hard drive! Does making a stack a substack
 create a COPY of the original stack and imbed it in the main stack, or is
 the file hiding somewhere else on my hard drive? If the former, then am I
 correct in thinking I do not need the other stack files I CAN see on my
 hard drive, because there are now copies of them in the main stack?
 
 I am s confused...
 
 Bob
 
 
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Re: Confused about substacks

[Bob Sneidar]

Thanks Devin I think I understand now. I am going to avoid the whole problem 
and go card in new window. 

Bob


On Nov 18, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

 Hi Bob,
 
 When you turn a mainstack into a substack of another mainstack, that substack 
 becomes part of the stackfile containing the mainstack. In effect the 
 stackfile containing the former mainstack is orphaned. Usually I just get 
 rid of these orphaned stackfiles to avoid confusion. 
 
 Bottom line: substacks are part of the same stack file of the mainstack.
 
 Hope this it what you were asking.
 
 Devin
 
 
 On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 
 Hi all. 
 
 I am a bit confused now. I created a new stack, saved it, made it a substack 
 of my splash stack. No problemo. I can see the substack on the hard drive, I 
 can see the substack in the application browser as a substack of my splash 
 stack. 
 
 BUT THEN...
 
 I right clicked my splash stack in the application browser, and created a 
 new substack, named it, saved it, application browser looks peachy, but the 
 stack file is not visible on the hard drive! Does making a stack a substack 
 create a COPY of the original stack and imbed it in the main stack, or is 
 the file hiding somewhere else on my hard drive? If the former, then am I 
 correct in thinking I do not need the other stack files I CAN see on my hard 
 drive, because there are now copies of them in the main stack?
 
 I am s confused...
 
 Bob
 
 
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Re: Confused about substacks

[Bob Sneidar]

Correction. You cannot go to a card in a new window. The command will ignore 
the new window and just go to the card in the existing window. That would be a 
nice feature enhancement for having multiple windows open on a single stack. 

Bob


 Thanks Devin I think I understand now. I am going to avoid the whole problem 
 and go card in new window. 
 
 Bob
 
 
 On Nov 18, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Devin Asay wrote:
 
 Hi Bob,
 
 When you turn a mainstack into a substack of another mainstack, that 
 substack becomes part of the stackfile containing the mainstack. In effect 
 the stackfile containing the former mainstack is orphaned. Usually I just 
 get rid of these orphaned stackfiles to avoid confusion. 
 
 Bottom line: substacks are part of the same stack file of the mainstack.
 
 Hope this it what you were asking.
 
 Devin
 
 
 On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 
 

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Re: Confused about substacks

[Mike Bonner]

Probably what will work is to make a stackrunner type of splash stack with
any libraries etc included. Then you can have your real stack with its
substacks be opened by the splash. As long as the right support stuff is
included the splash you can go stack..  and it should be fine, and the
splashstack can handle the saving of changes to your real stack.



On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:

 Correction. You cannot go to a card in a new window. The command will
 ignore the new window and just go to the card in the existing window. That
 would be a nice feature enhancement for having multiple windows open on a
 single stack.

 Bob


  Thanks Devin I think I understand now. I am going to avoid the whole
 problem and go card in new window.
 
  Bob
 
 
  On Nov 18, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Devin Asay wrote:
 
  Hi Bob,
 
  When you turn a mainstack into a substack of another mainstack, that
 substack becomes part of the stackfile containing the mainstack. In effect
 the stackfile containing the former mainstack is orphaned. Usually I just
 get rid of these orphaned stackfiles to avoid confusion.
 
  Bottom line: substacks are part of the same stack file of the mainstack.
 
  Hope this it what you were asking.
 
  Devin
 
 
  On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 
 

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Re: SubStacks and message path

[Keith Clarke]

...thanks Robert but 'do login()' was working just fine until I moved it from a 
login 'card' in the mainstack into into a login substack. 

And it does again now, since I have taken Jaque's advice to use groups with 
switched visibility (and background images that simulate popping a substack 
with a fancy window shape) instead of unnecessary substacks!

I think I'm gradually learning how to avoid the bits of LiveCode that I don't 
understand enough to be able to control! ;-)
Best,
Keith.. 
 
On 5 Jun 2011, at 17:00, Robert Brenstein wrote:

 I think that your problem with original scenerio was not with path but that 
 'do login()' was a wrong construct, if login was a function. It should 
 probably have been something like 'get login()'.
 
 Robert


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Re: SubStacks and message path

[Robert Brenstein]

On 04.06.2011 at 12:58 Uhr +0100 Keith Clarke apparently wrote:

Hi Jim,
Thanks for the response, clarification and tips.

This app has one MainStack (so far!) and it's script contains a 
handler on preOpenStack, to start using stack SOAP. So, thanks for 
confirming that this should place the SOAP substack into the message 
path library 'slot' for the MainStack and any other substacks (such 
as this login one). So, maybe I just had a typo somewhere - that 
wouldn't be a first!

Best,
Keith..


I think that your problem with original scenerio was not with path 
but that 'do login()' was a wrong construct, if login was a function. 
It should probably have been something like 'get login()'.


Robert

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Re: SubStacks and message path

[Jim Ault]

On 4 Jun 2011, at 09:07, Keith Clarke wrote:


Hi folks,
I'm using a substack 'Credentials' as a dialogue box to capture  
login credentials for a web service (tUsername, tPassword).


A second 'SOAP' substack acts as a library managing the various  
POST messages for the web service, including a function login  
pUsername pPassword


If I attempt to use 'do login(tUsername, tPassword)' in a button on  
the Credential's substack, the script throws errors - so I'm  
assuming that the SOAP substack is not in the Credentials  
substack's message path.


So, I'm trying the call function for the first time, but get errors  
with call login(tUsername, tPassword) of stack SOAP


Any clues as to what I'm dong wrong?
Best,

Keith..

No need for fancy maneuvers.  Just use the straight forward approach.
You could do a simple one-liner in the 'on openstack' of the SOAP  
stack script.

  start using stack (the short name of me)

If you do this in the main stack, then use
start using stack SOAP functions
-- this puts only the stack script into the 
'library' part of the message path
Now that script container will be after ANY main stack  substacks you  
open.


The path will be
   main stack, then SOAP, then back, then engine

unless the SOAP stack is front most window, then
  SOAP stk, main stack, then SOAP, then back, then engine
-- thus twice, if and only if you pass your handler and function traps

Switch to another main stack and SOAP remains in the path.
   main stack 2, SOAP stk, then back, then engine

The best practice is to keep SOAP in memory rather than close it after  
executing start using, unless you execute stop using, then close.   
Otherwise, Livecode will try to keep the stack open in memory, since  
you said you needed it.


Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



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Re: SubStacks and message path

[Keith Clarke]

Hi Jim,
Thanks for the response, clarification and tips. 

This app has one MainStack (so far!) and it's script contains a handler on 
preOpenStack, to start using stack SOAP. So, thanks for confirming that this 
should place the SOAP substack into the message path library 'slot' for the 
MainStack and any other substacks (such as this login one). So, maybe I just 
had a typo somewhere - that wouldn't be a first!
Best,
Keith..

On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:22, Jim Ault wrote:

 On 4 Jun 2011, at 09:07, Keith Clarke wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 I'm using a substack 'Credentials' as a dialogue box to capture login 
 credentials for a web service (tUsername, tPassword).
 
 A second 'SOAP' substack acts as a library managing the various POST 
 messages for the web service, including a function login pUsername pPassword
 
 If I attempt to use 'do login(tUsername, tPassword)' in a button on the 
 Credential's substack, the script throws errors - so I'm assuming that the 
 SOAP substack is not in the Credentials substack's message path.
 
 So, I'm trying the call function for the first time, but get errors with 
 call login(tUsername, tPassword) of stack SOAP
 
 Any clues as to what I'm dong wrong?
 Best,
 Keith..
 
 No need for fancy maneuvers.  Just use the straight forward approach.
 You could do a simple one-liner in the 'on openstack' of the SOAP stack 
 script.
  start using stack (the short name of me)
 
 If you do this in the main stack, then use
start using stack SOAP functions
 -- this puts only the stack script into the'library' part of the message path
 Now that script container will be after ANY main stack  substacks you open.
 
 The path will be
   main stack, then SOAP, then back, then engine
 
 unless the SOAP stack is front most window, then
  SOAP stk, main stack, then SOAP, then back, then engine
 -- thus twice, if and only if you pass your handler and function traps
 
 Switch to another main stack and SOAP remains in the path.
   main stack 2, SOAP stk, then back, then engine
 
 The best practice is to keep SOAP in memory rather than close it after 
 executing start using, unless you execute stop using, then close.  
 Otherwise, Livecode will try to keep the stack open in memory, since you said 
 you needed it.
 
 Hope this helps
 
 Jim Ault
 Las Vegas


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