Re: who's out there?

[xbury . cs]

Chipp,

For the third time, removing the breakpoint MAY work but NOT always...

There's a 2nd reference to the breakpoint written in the revcustom 
properties
that is not cleaned up.

The only solution in existence is my stack the Breakpoints navigator.

And 2.6 still crashes with these issues (took 2 minutes to findout!)...

You can download the Breakpoints Nav here

http://www.monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=180

cheers
Xavier


On 06/06/2005 21:49:29 use-revolution-bounces wrote:
>Chipp:
>
>If you're refering to problems with breakpoints, yes, I did see your
>comment, and I have removed all breakpoints.  Another defect in the IDE
>(breakpoints not moving with lines during edits, as is the case with
>Delphi).
>
>"IMO, finding problems with no known fixes are much more critical than
>ones which can be fixed."  I somewhat agree.  I would agree more
>strongly if Rev came with a ReadMe file that explained all of the ways
>things might screw up and all of the workarounds.  Just letting people
>like me find them by shooting themselves in the foot is not the way to
>get The Rest Of Us to be very happy with Rev.  OTOH, that list might be
>so large that no one would read it 
>
>:)
>
>Jon
>
>
>
>Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> Jon,
>>
>> I wrote a succinct reply to this bug, which if you adhere to, will
>> solve this problem. Did you take notice?
>>
>> While it doesn't excuse the bug, it does show that if you have a bit
>> of prior knowledge you can easily sidestep it. IMO, finding problems
>> with no known fixes are much more critical than ones which can be 
fixed.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Chipp
>>
>> Jon wrote:
>>
>>> I'd say when an IDE simply disappears from the screen when you try to
>>> click on the Files menu;
>>
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Re: two questions (was Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?)

[Dar Scott]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

We will be providing complete support for this transition.



I knew you guys would   
:D


I think we Revolutionaries are very fortunate.  Runrev has the 
experience and motivation for this.


We still need to script smart and watch our assumptions.

And gentle encouragement for RunRev is always good!  Or rioting.

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RE: Rev 2.6 docs slow?

[MisterX]

Michael

> I've downloaded 2.6 and LOVE seeing array content in the debugger. 
> However, the docs have become impossibly slow (a minute or so 
> to show the topics). Anyone else see that?

i've been seeing arrays in the debugger for 5 years ;) 
About time they did it... ;)

The docs are very fast here on PCs. Couldn't tell it was working...

cheers
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Rev 2.6 and Defaultfolder

[Ludovic Thébault]

Hello,

Someone use Defaultfolder ?

Rev 2.6 crash with it when you display an "Open dialog" (on tiger)
I exclude Rev from Defaultfolder and it works.

Because my english is too bad, someone can put this bug on bugzilla ?

Thx


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Re: here is the CLOCKFACE script...coded in 3 MINUTES...17 LINES of CODE

[Geoff Canyon]

I've posted the new revision:

on openCard
  setTime
end openCard

on setTime
  put word 1 of the long time into T --8:13:15
  put T & char 2 to 5 of (the long seconds mod 1) into fld "Time"
  split T using ":"
  get (450 - (30 * T[1]) - (T[2] div 2)) mod 360
  if (the angle of grc "Hour") <> it then set the angle of grc  
"Hour" to it

  get (450 - (6 * T[2]) - (T[3] div 10)) mod 360
  if (the angle of grc "Minute") <> it then set the angle of grc  
"Minute" to it

  set the angle of grc "Second" to 450 - (6 * T[3])
  send "setTime" to me in 1 - (the long seconds mod 1) seconds
end setTime

On Jun 6, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Good catch.
As was pointed out before, trunc(T[2] / 2) can be simplified to (T 
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Re: here is the CLOCKFACE script...coded in 3 MINUTES...17 LINES of CODE

[Geoff Canyon]

I missed that comment. Of course that's the case. I'm adding it in.

On Jun 6, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Good catch.
As was pointed out before, trunc(T[2] / 2) can be simplified to (T 
[2] div 2)




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Re: Stack name vs file name indication

[SimPLsol]

In a message dated 6/6/05 8:44:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=1081
> 

Jeanne,
I have added the five votes as promised.
It is strange, I can find the bug in Bugzilla but not in Revzilla: 1081 does 
not appear in the list of voting bugs. I'll copy this to Ken.
Thanks.
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Re: Stack name vs file name indication

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 11:11 PM -0400 6/6/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Jeanne,
I went to Revzilla to add five votes - but could not find bug 1081. Is this
the right number?


I double-checked: .
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version 2.6

[Mark Wieder]

All-

In my Revolution 2.6/components/help/reference folder there's a file
called "memory_and_limits_reference.r#0" - I'm assuming this is just
an artifact of some earlier build and I can safely delete it in favor
of the real "memory_and_limits_reference.rev" file...

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[OT] Good Analysis of Apple Move

[Dan Shafer]

Tidbits has, as  usual, a concise and insightful examination of  
today's Apple announcement about the move from IBM to Intel chips:


http://www.tidbits.com




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Re: Stack name vs file name indication

[SimPLsol]

Jeanne,
I went to Revzilla to add five votes - but could not find bug 1081. Is this 
the right number?
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Intel Chip and DRM

[Dan Shafer]

Earlier today, Chipp and I were yakking on the phone about some of  
the implications of the Apple bombshell. He mentioned that he  
wondered if activations would become as difficult and cumbersome for  
Mac users as they are now for Windows users because of the use of DRM  
technology.


Here's what Tidbits had to say on the subject a few minutes ago:

**DRM in the Chip** -- One aspect of this transition that could
  prove interesting, in all positive and negative connotations
  of the word, is the so-called "trusted computing" capabilities
  of Intel's CPUs. Little has been done with them yet, but as we
  understand these capabilities, they're designed to work with
  a Microsoft digital rights management (DRM) system. There's
  no telling if or how they may play into Apple's existing music
  or future video plans.




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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[Richard Gaskin]

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Heather,

Pardon me but, while your fixing the What's new file can someone fix the 
Home/ Latest News on RevOnline It's 86 degrees F here and Christmas 
Coding seems a bit odd.


But it's just 36 degrees in Edinburgh.

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Re: OT Can't add RR 2.6 to OS X Applications folder

[Thomas McGrath III]

Fix permissions.


HTH

Tom

On Jun 6, 2005, at 8:46 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:

This is one of the OS X mysteries which is beyond me. I have been able 
to add previous  version of RR to my applications folder but not this 
new 2.6.


When I try I get a message:

"The Item "Revolution 2.6 could not be moved because "Application" 
cannot be modified."


Get Info on the Applications folder shows it to be unlocked.

Suggestions please?

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New sample file

[Troy Rollins]

The DeepMaskSampler.rev file has two preOpenStack handlers in its stack 
script. Doesn't seem to affect the operation of it, but it makes it a 
rather questionable sample file!


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Re: the ScreenRect

[Troy Rollins]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 10:25 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

I know it's a hack but probably theres a way to probe the MacOS X 
System using command line tools to see if there's another monitor 
attached. The 'scutil' might hold something. I am sure that by finding 
the correct key to probe will show the answer. It's not an elegant 
solution like 'the detailed screenrect' but I think it might work. 
You'll probably be able to probe for aditional monitors and for screen 
resolutions.


I am sure this is possible.


Thanks Andre. The solution needs to be x-plat.

I tried using techniques to "feel around" for another monitor, but so 
far haven't had good results. For instance I tried setting the 
screenMouseLoc and then putting the screenMouseLoc... unfortunately, 
setting it will only actually set it within the confines of the main 
screen. However, putting it will indicate when the mouse is on the 
second monitor. So, in the end, that won't work. Other object, can of 
course be set to locations off the first screen but that tells you 
nothing, since they can be set anywhere at all, and do not require an 
actual monitor there.


So far, it would seem that it isn't possible within Transcript to 
determine that information.


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Re: Moving a Custom Shaped window

[Thomas McGrath III]

I use this in a transparent graphic at the top of my odd windows. It 
may work at the card level if you pass mouseDown etc.


HTH

Tom

on mouseDown
  put the loc of this stack into initrec
  put the mouseloc into mymouseloc
  repeat while the mouse is down
add (the mouseH - item 1 of mymouseloc) to item 1 of initrec
add (the mouseV - item 2 of mymouseloc) to item 2 of initrec
if initrec = oldrec then
  next repeat
end if
set the loc of this stack to initrec
put initrec into oldrec
  end repeat
end mouseDown

On Jun 6, 2005, at 7:50 PM, zack wrote:



Hello again,

What a snap it is to create a custom shaped window!  Really cool.  But 
how do make it so the user can still drag the window around their 
desktop?  I can't seem to grab any part of it to move it.


Thanks

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Re: Rev 2.6 docs slow?

[James Spencer]

Yea, I think there's something wrong here.  Expanding topic's is  
similarly slow.  I thought we had the documentation problems licked.


Spence

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"Badges??  We don't need no stinkin badges!"

On Jun 6, 2005, at 9:24 PM, Michael J. Lew wrote:

I've downloaded 2.6 and LOVE seeing array content in the debugger.  
However, the docs have become impossibly slow (a minute or so to  
show the topics). Anyone else see that?


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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[Thomas McGrath III]

Heather,

Pardon me but, while your fixing the What's new file can someone fix 
the Home/ Latest News on RevOnline It's 86 degrees F here and Christmas 
Coding seems a bit odd.


Thank you so much,

Tom

On Jun 6, 2005, at 7:22 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Heather-

HN> We are delighted to announce the arrival of Revolution 2.6, The 
Tiger

HN> Release! 

The Read_Me_First file says "See the What's New file for more
details." but the What's_New file doesn't have any more details. A
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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Jesse Sng]

I don't think you are understanding what Rosetta is.  It reads the 
binary of one machine and "Compiles it on the fly into the binary of 
a new machine".  The result is the the new machine is not 
interpreting the other machines instruction set, but conceptually 
recompiling at the binary level and executing at machine code speed.
This method introduces very little overhead.  You should see 80-90% 
of native speed.  I can live with that.  A good virtual machine 
might give you 10% of native speed.  That is why I keep telling you 
that this is revolutionary and will change the nature of cross 
platform development.  But for now Apple seems content to just use 
it to make their transition seamless for the users and developers.


This is the same as the dynamic compiling 68K emulator that Apple 
switched to on all their PowerPC Macs. It is still there after more 
than 10 years and is running fine as I have apps dating back to 1990 
that work under Classic.


But that's the whole point - it is totally transparent and seamless.


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Re: the ScreenRect

[Andre Garzia]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 10:43 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:

Having been away for a while (again) I was kind of hoping that one of 
the last couple of updates would have allowed us to get reporting of 
multiple monitors in the ScreenRect property. Still doesn't huh? An 
awful lot of people have more than one monitor these days. I have a 
project which specifically needs to support 2 monitors... hopefully I 
am missing something obvious. If not, does anyone have a viable 
workaround?




Troy,

I know it's a hack but probably theres a way to probe the MacOS X 
System using command line tools to see if there's another monitor 
attached. The 'scutil' might hold something. I am sure that by finding 
the correct key to probe will show the answer. It's not an elegant 
solution like 'the detailed screenrect' but I think it might work. 
You'll probably be able to probe for aditional monitors and for screen 
resolutions.


I am sure this is possible.

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Rev 2.6 docs slow?

[Michael J. Lew]

I've downloaded 2.6 and LOVE seeing array content in the debugger. 
However, the docs have become impossibly slow (a minute or so to show 
the topics). Anyone else see that?


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Re: the ScreenRect

[Troy Rollins]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 10:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Interested developers can cast their vote for Ben Rubenstein's 
excellent suggestion, "the detailed screenRect"





Wouldn't ya know... I already have 5 votes on that.  ;-)

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Re: the ScreenRect

[Richard Gaskin]

Troy Rollins wrote:
Having been away for a while (again) I was kind of hoping that one of 
the last couple of updates would have allowed us to get reporting of 
multiple monitors in the ScreenRect property. Still doesn't huh? An 
awful lot of people have more than one monitor these days. I have a 
project which specifically needs to support 2 monitors... hopefully I am 
missing something obvious. If not, does anyone have a viable workaround?


Interested developers can cast their vote for Ben Rubenstein's excellent 
suggestion, "the detailed screenRect"




From his proposal there:

   The screenrect returns four integers, corresponding to the
   dimensions of the main screen, at startup.

   This means apps made with Rev cannot adequately deal with
   window placement on either Mac or Windows machines that
   have multiple monitors.  If we try to remember our user's
   palette placement, for example, we may either be forced
   to move them (because the coordinates appear to be outside
   the main monitor) - or choose to guess that the previous
   coordinates are still valid, and risk placing them in
   invisible space.

   It's not the worst issue in the world - but not that much
   effort to fix either.

   My suggestion is that "the screenrect" behave as now for
   compatibility; and a new variant "the detailed screenrect"
   be introduced which returns one or more rectangles, one per
   line, being the coordinates of all current monitors, first
   line corresponding to the main monitor.

   While we're at it, my suggestion is that "the detailed
   screenrect" should also calculate its answer on the fly,
   rather than relying on the state of the monitor at startup.
   I believe this too is now an issue on Windows, as it
   certainly is on Mac.


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Re: Stack name vs file name indication

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 10:28 AM +1000 6/7/2005, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
Also of use is "delete stack whatever" which despite it's scary 
name, actually only deletes the copy from memory, so you can reload 
the working version.



Cautionary warning for those not familiar with delete stack: if you 
use the command on a main stack, it behaves just as Sarah says, but 
if you use it on a substack it will actually delete it from the file 
the next time it's saved. Be careful out there.


(A while back, I bugzilla'd a request to add a command "remove 
 from ", while deprecating and eventually 
removing the ability to use "delete stack" on substacks - basically 
to avoid any confusion arising. It's bug 1081, if you want to check 
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Re: who's out there?

[Richard Gaskin]

Dennis Brown wrote:

The business model that I would like to see is REALbasic.

...
New releases came out about twice a week  
--new features and bug fixes.

...
This is what I am hoping for DreamCard.  The price is right, but with  
few releases, the IDE/ docs must be helpful to the beginner,  otherwise 
the support toll is too high --or they never get over the  initial hump 
and abandon it.


I cast my vote for making Monte Goulding the Update Meister.  He's 
always been extremely quick to address issues in the things he's 
contributed to the product, and if the updater feature were as quick as 
he was few would ever notice issues. :)


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the ScreenRect

[Troy Rollins]

Having been away for a while (again) I was kind of hoping that one of 
the last couple of updates would have allowed us to get reporting of 
multiple monitors in the ScreenRect property. Still doesn't huh? An 
awful lot of people have more than one monitor these days. I have a 
project which specifically needs to support 2 monitors... hopefully I 
am missing something obvious. If not, does anyone have a viable 
workaround?



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Re: who's out there?

[Dennis Brown]

The business model that I would like to see is REALbasic.  Started as  
cheap shareware ($25 I think).  Everybody bought a copy whether they  
needed one or not (I did).  New releases came out about twice a week  
--new features and bug fixes.  Few complained, because they could see  
active work on the problems they encountered.  One guy wrote  
everything.  Eventually it went commercial, but still at a low price  
($50 I think).  It became so popular that the resources were found to  
make it cross compatible to Windows.  The installed base is huge, and  
many developers are making money with just add-ons.  Visual Basic  
developers started to migrate.  The little guy wins.   However, I  
don't like the language at all.


This is what I am hoping for DreamCard.  The price is right, but with  
few releases, the IDE/ docs must be helpful to the beginner,  
otherwise the support toll is too high --or they never get over the  
initial hump and abandon it.  REV is extremely powerful if you know  
hoe to use it, but can be frustrating for doing simple things if you  
don't.  THe way I started is I just learned how to do the most basic  
operations (kind of like a high level machine code) and started  
making things go.  However, there are a few basic concepts that  
appeared to be missing (like indirect references of variables) -- 
discovered the do command to make them work.  This is a good example  
of where the IDE could have made it invisible with a better syntax.   
Arrays are very powerful, but not explained well.  The bi-monthly  
tutorials are a godsend in my opinion for teaching the fundamentals -- 
good job and kudos to all the instructors!!!  The challenge for  
RunRev is to take all this good stuff and package it an such a way to  
make it work for the beginner --along with a few improvements to the  
IDE.


Dennis


On Jun 6, 2005, at 8:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My accountant had returned from a seminar. The presenter had  
suggested
everyone double their prices. One of the accountants in the room  
protested:
"I'd lose half my business." The presenter smiled and said:  
"Perfect, you'd get

the same revenue - with half the work."

 The flaw in this is that you need a certain volume to get  
"traction".

Look at Smalltalk and MC as examples.

 About a year ago the list's resident wordsmith, Richard  
Gaskin, observed
that, for Rev "the low hanging fruit has been picked". He meant us  
- the
former MC and HC developers. To expand the market Rev MUST appeal  
to newbys. I
think this is a very good thing. Making the product solid enough,  
clean enough,

and well-documented enough for them will help everyone.

 I have been in this situation for 18 years. I make a business  
system
that we sell to companies without IT departments. It has to be  
good! And so it

is.
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Re: Think how?

[J. Landman Gay]

On 6/6/05 7:17 PM, John Vokey wrote:


Nah,
  It really should be:

Thimk!


OLL!

Heh. :)




On 6-Jun-05, at 5:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:



Mark Wieder wrote:


"Think different" is so last year.



This year it's "Think really different." :)



Or perhaps, recalling the grammatical furor following that
advertising campaign, it should be "Think real different".

:-) :-)

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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Chipp Walters]

Chipp Walters wrote:

Richard,

Marketshare is all about sales per unit of time. SPA estimates computers 
currently in use. When Dell says they are #1 in Marketshare, it means 
they have sold more computers last qtr than anyone else. My 
recollection, is that Mac users have always been in the 10% and above, 
especially because Education still uses *older* Macs.


should read:
Mac users have always been in the 10% and above INSTALLED BASE

I don't agree with Alex's:

"The theory is that Wintel (or at least Windows) users need to upgrade 
more frequently (because every new version of Windows is more bloated - 
apparently new versions of OS X have been the same or even more efficient)."


Heck, WinXP came out after Win2000 and IMO (and many reviewers) was 
faster than Win2000. I believe the reason they are updated more often is:


1) They are cheaper. I can get a Tiger Direct 2.X MHZ E-machine for 
under $300, so I upgrade more frequently.


2) There are more models to chose from, more announcement of new 
features, more 3rd party support. All of this marketing rhetoric gets 
people excited about getting new machines.


3) Enterprise budgets allocate for purchasing departments, who must 
purchase new machines. Lots of this money goes to making the Dell's 
richer. Unfortunately, there aren't many Macs in Enterprise.


-Chipp

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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Todd Higgins]

Performa no, but in my experience there are a lot of people using OS  
X on G3's.  Personally, I am running Tiger on a G3 500 Powerbook,  
Panther on a G3 366 iBook, and Panther Server on a G3 450 iMac.


 The majority of my customers are K-12 schools and the hang on to  
their hardware for 3-5 years (sometimes longer), and many of them  
swear that their G3 iMacs run better and faster now than when they  
were purchased.  Apples latest OS actually improves end user  
responsiveness and number crunching performance


On Jun 6, 2005, at 9:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

The theory is that Wintel (or at least Windows) users need to  
upgrade more frequently (because every new version of Windows is  
more bloated - apparently new versions of OS X have been the same  
or even more efficient).




Sounds good, but how many folks are running OS X on their  
Performa?  Or even a G3?


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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Chipp Walters]

Richard,

Marketshare is all about sales per unit of time. SPA estimates computers 
currently in use. When Dell says they are #1 in Marketshare, it means 
they have sold more computers last qtr than anyone else. My 
recollection, is that Mac users have always been in the 10% and above, 
especially because Education still uses *older* Macs.


Apple is as you've already said, somewhere around 4% marketshare.

best,

Chipp

Richard Gaskin wrote:


This afternoon Jeanne DeVoto sent me this encouraging item:

   In addition,
   the Software Publishers Association (SPA) estimates that 16 percent
   of computer users are on Macs.
   

If Apple, for the first time since Jobs came back, not only returned to 
the 10% marketshare of a decade ago but actually exceeded it by another 
6 points, why wouldn't Apple be shouting this from the rooftops.


If memory serves, at 16% this would mean we currently have the largest 
marketshare in the history Mac history.

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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Dennis Brown]

I don't think you are understanding what Rosetta is.  It reads the  
binary of one machine and "Compiles it on the fly into the binary of  
a new machine".  The result is the the new machine is not  
interpreting the other machines instruction set, but conceptually  
recompiling at the binary level and executing at machine code speed.   
This method introduces very little overhead.  You should see 80-90%  
of native speed.  I can live with that.  A good virtual machine might  
give you 10% of native speed.  That is why I keep telling you that  
this is revolutionary and will change the nature of cross platform  
development.  But for now Apple seems content to just use it to make  
their transition seamless for the users and developers.


Dennis

On Jun 6, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

True but I think Rosetta will be much faster than a VPC solution  
since it is built into the operating system.




Chris thinks it might be slower as Morphing is more difficult than  
creating a virtual machine. But, with the faster processor, perhaps  
it will work out fine.


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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Richard Gaskin]

Alex Tweedly wrote:

Richard Gaskin wrote:


   the Software and Information Industry Association. In addition,
   the Software Publishers Association (SPA) estimates that 16 percent
   of computer users are on Macs.
   

I haven't seen how those figures were derived either, but it raises an 
interesing question:


If Apple, for the first time since Jobs came back, not only returned 
to the 10% marketshare of a decade ago but actually exceeded it by 
another 6 points, why wouldn't Apple be shouting this from the rooftops.


If memory serves, at 16% this would mean we currently have the largest 
marketshare in the history Mac history.



You're confusing marketshare and installed base share.


It's not me so much as Wall Street.  My work is platform-independent and 
it all sells for the same price, so it don't make no dif to me. :)


The theory is that Wintel (or at least Windows) users need to upgrade 
more frequently (because every new version of Windows is more bloated - 
apparently new versions of OS X have been the same or even more efficient).


Sounds good, but how many folks are running OS X on their Performa?  Or 
even a G3?


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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Alex Tweedly]

Richard Gaskin wrote:


   the Software and Information Industry Association. In addition,
   the Software Publishers Association (SPA) estimates that 16 percent
   of computer users are on Macs.
   

I haven't seen how those figures were derived either, but it raises an 
interesing question:


If Apple, for the first time since Jobs came back, not only returned 
to the 10% marketshare of a decade ago but actually exceeded it by 
another 6 points, why wouldn't Apple be shouting this from the rooftops.


If memory serves, at 16% this would mean we currently have the largest 
marketshare in the history Mac history.



You're confusing marketshare and installed base share.

The theory is that Wintel (or at least Windows) users need to upgrade 
more frequently (because every new version of Windows is more bloated - 
apparently new versions of OS X have been the same or even more efficient).


If you had 2 users each buy a machine at the same time
Windows users upgrades his machine every year
Mac user upgrades his machine every 3 years

So Mac has 25% of the *marketshare* - but still has 50% of the users.

Hence the long-term (and increasing) difference between marketshare and 
%age of users. Gartner has always published marketshare data.



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OT Can't add RR 2.6 to OS X Applications folder

[Jim Hurley]

This is one of the OS X mysteries which is beyond me. I have been 
able to add previous  version of RR to my applications folder but not 
this new 2.6.


When I try I get a message:

"The Item "Revolution 2.6 could not be moved because "Application" 
cannot be modified."


Get Info on the Applications folder shows it to be unlocked.

Suggestions please?

Jim
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Re: Moving a Custom Shaped window

[zack]

Thanks for the tip!




On Jun 6, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

What a snap it is to create a custom shaped window!  Really cool.   
But how do make it so the user can still drag the window around  
their desktop?  I can't seem to grab any part of it to move it.




Hi Zack,

Because the custom shaped window doesn't have the usual title bar  
which effectively gives you window dragging for free, you need to  
write your window drag routines. Put this set of handlers in the  
stack or card script:


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Re: Moving a Custom Shaped window

[Sarah Reichelt]

What a snap it is to create a custom shaped window!  Really cool.   
But how do make it so the user can still drag the window around  
their desktop?  I can't seem to grab any part of it to move it.



Hi Zack,

Because the custom shaped window doesn't have the usual title bar  
which effectively gives you window dragging for free, you need to  
write your window drag routines. Put this set of handlers in the  
stack or card script:


local sMousePos

on mouseDown
  put the mouseH & "," & the mouseV into sMousePos
end mouseDown

on mouseMove x,y
  if sMousePos is empty then exit mouseMove
  set the topLeft of this stack to (item 1 of the screenMouseLoc -  
item 1 of sMousePos), \

(item 2 of the screenMouseLoc - item 2 of sMousePos)
end mouseMove

on mouseUp
  put empty into sMousePos
end mouseUp

on mouseRelease
  mouseUp
end mouseRelease

And don't forget that you need to add a way for the user to close the  
window as well:


on mouseDoubleUp
  close this stack
end mouseDoubleUp

HTH,
Sarah

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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[Marian Petrides]

I followed the link and just downloaded v 2.6.5.91  but the page  
already said 2.6 not 2.5.


M

Devin wrote:



However, when I go to this url I only see downloads for 2.5.1. (Or  
do the links really download 2.6 and the page just isn't updated yet?)



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Re: Stack name vs file name indication

[Sarah Reichelt]

If you have a stack named mystack, which is saved as the file  
mystack.rev in

some directory, and you do a Save As mystack_bak.rev. Are you not now
editing in the file mystack_bak.rev?

What in the IDE lets you know that you are working with the stack  
mystack,

but in the file mystack_bak.rev vs mystack.rev? Thanks!


Hi Jim,

the filename of stack "mystack" will give you the info you need.
Also of use is "delete stack whatever" which despite it's scary name,  
actually only deletes the copy from memory, so you can reload the  
working version. I have written scripts to do just what you are  
doing, so if you need more help, just let me know and I'll dig them out.


Cheers,
Sarah

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Re: who's out there?

[SimPLsol]

 My accountant had returned from a seminar. The presenter had suggested 
everyone double their prices. One of the accountants in the room protested: 
"I'd lose half my business." The presenter smiled and said: "Perfect, you'd get 
the same revenue - with half the work."

 The flaw in this is that you need a certain volume to get "traction". 
Look at Smalltalk and MC as examples.

 About a year ago the list's resident wordsmith, Richard Gaskin, observed 
that, for Rev "the low hanging fruit has been picked". He meant us - the 
former MC and HC developers. To expand the market Rev MUST appeal to newbys. I 
think this is a very good thing. Making the product solid enough, clean enough, 
and well-documented enough for them will help everyone.

 I have been in this situation for 18 years. I make a business system 
that we sell to companies without IT departments. It has to be good! And so it 
is.
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Think how?

[John Vokey]

Nah,
  It really should be:

Thimk!

On 6-Jun-05, at 5:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:



Mark Wieder wrote:


"Think different" is so last year.



This year it's "Think really different." :)



Or perhaps, recalling the grammatical furor following that
advertising campaign, it should be "Think real different".

:-) :-)

 - marty



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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[SimPLsol]

I also agree.
It would be especially nice to see how many of the high-vote, 2 year old bugs 
have been fixed.
Paul Looney
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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[Mark Wieder]

Troy-

Monday, June 6, 2005, 4:32:25 PM, you wrote:

TR> Yes, I'm not fully clear on what we have here in this update.

Well, the release notes do say that it's a feature release rather than
a bug fix release, but I do know that some bugs were fixed. I just
don't know which ones.

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Keyboard Layout mis-matched under Japanese Windows

[tim]

Hi all,

After talking to support, I have submitted this to Bugzilla.

It's at 
http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi\?id=2874

If you can help confirm this bug and vote for it, that would be a great help!


Regards,

Tim Due
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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Devin Asay]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 3:47 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Here's more food for thought on this subject.

1. When Apple finally rolls out 'Leopard,' how many 'tested on  
Intel' apps do you think there will be? Seeing how Leopard ONLY  
RUNS ON APPLE HARDWARE (see bottom of page: http://tinyurl.com/ 
8vwvz ), how will develpers test their apps? I'm sure Apple will  
seed a few developer boxes out there, but the majority of  
developers will have to 'wait and see' how their newly cross- 
compiled code runs. Not a pretty sight, IMO.


It all depends on the developers. Apple made it clear this morning  
that there will be Intel development systems available for any  
developer that wants one for a reasonable price (abt $1K for a tower).


2. Why would anyone want to buy a Mac computer today, knowing it  
will be outdated/obsolete in a year or two? Also, I expect all  
software MUST be upgraded when Leopard ships. IMO, this is a big of  
an upgrade as the OS9 to BSD UNIX OSX.


I don't see it affecting the supported life span of current PPC  
boxes. Jobs made it clear that the transition will be gradual and  
that the PPC architecture will be fully supported for a few more  
years. The real question is how potential buyers will react. Will  
they just hold out for another year until the MacTels come out?


3. We already know Mac users hold onto their computers longer than  
PC users. The current Mac marketshare is something around 4% while  
the userbase is around 10%, which supports that fact. So, will  
users be inclined to keep their existing Macs while waiting for the  
new Intel ones? I am. I'm wondering how this will affect the  
'bottom line.'?


In a way Apple is well situated for this. Right now the iPod is  
driving Apple's profitability, giving them some breathing room on  
transitioning their big-box computers.


4. So, it looks like Apple will 'let' users install windows on  
their machines. The question is, will MS make it impossible to run  
Longhorn on a machine with Leopard installed? Interesting issue. If  
I can run both on one machine, then I'll probably just buy the  
Apple (all things being equal).


What do M$ care, as long as people are buying Windows? It'll be an  
interesting year.


After listening to the presentation this afternoon, I can report that  
Apple is serious about making this transition go smoothly for their  
developers. I think they realize what a risk they are taking, and are  
going to great lengths to smooth the transition for developers,  
providing tools and expertise.


It will be a non-issue for us as Rev developers (as it is for Java,  
JavaScript, Python and other high-level language developers.) RunRev  
have to do the work of prepping the OSX engine, but in the long run  
it may make things easier for them. For the rev developer compiling  
an OSX standalone, the process will be the same. The executable might  
be a tad bigger, but it should support any Mac, PPC or Intel based.


Devin



Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Moving a Custom Shaped window

[zack]

Hello again,

What a snap it is to create a custom shaped window!  Really cool.   
But how do make it so the user can still drag the window around their  
desktop?  I can't seem to grab any part of it to move it.


Thanks

z
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Bar Graphs in Rev

[zack]

Hello,

Are there any example stack on how to create Bar Graphs in RunRev.  I  
want to have say 5 numbers graphed in a vertical bar chart. I have  
some cool graphics I can use to build the bars but I really have no  
idea how to begin.


Thanks in advance

z



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[no subject]

[zack]

Hello,

Are there any example stack on how to create Bar Graphs in RunRev.  I  
want to have say 5 numbers graphed in a vertical bar chart. I have  
some cool graphics I can use to build the bars but I really have no  
idea how to begin.


Thanks in advance

z


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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Richard Gaskin]

Judy Perry wrote:

We're gonna need heat shields for aluminum-cased laptops...


Your Mac laptop doesn't already double as a lap warmer?  I cook 
breakfast on mine.


But think of the heat if they tried to squeeze a G6 into a laptop.  Like 
Jobs says, more horsepower per watt.



And, wasn't it you who recently told another poster that s/he was wrong
about the 2% marketshare quote?


The figures I've read were about 2.5% worldwide, with 4% in US, Japan, 
and Sweden.  Those came from either Gartner or Forrester, and all I know 
about how the figures were derived is that they were "based on unit 
sales", whatever that means (does a user putting Linux on a Wintel box 
get counted twice?).


This afternoon Jeanne DeVoto sent me this encouraging item:

   According to a statement released earlier this year, Apple Computer
   reported their 2005 first quarterly revenue and net income as the
   highest in the history of their company, with 74% revenue growth.
   Apple shipped 1,046,000 Macintosh units during this quarter,
   representing a 26% increase in CPU units over the year-ago quarter.
   According to US News and World Report, Macintosh owners buy 30%
   more software than their Windows counterparts. Further, Macintosh
   software comprises over 18% of all software sold, according to
   the Software and Information Industry Association. In addition,
   the Software Publishers Association (SPA) estimates that 16 percent
   of computer users are on Macs.
   

I haven't seen how those figures were derived either, but it raises an 
interesing question:


If Apple, for the first time since Jobs came back, not only returned to 
the 10% marketshare of a decade ago but actually exceeded it by another 
6 points, why wouldn't Apple be shouting this from the rooftops.


If memory serves, at 16% this would mean we currently have the largest 
marketshare in the history Mac history.



I'd love to see Gartner/Forrester and the SPA duke it out and come up 
with one number we can believe.


I have too many deadlines today to do it -- anyone want to send them 
both a goading email to prompt either one or both of the to get their 
poop in a pile?


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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[Troy Rollins]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 7:22 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


The Read_Me_First file says "See the What's New file for more
details." but the What's_New file doesn't have any more details. A
list of bugs fixed in this release would be very useful.


Yes, I'm not fully clear on what we have here in this update.
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Re: Revolution 2.6 & RevConWest

[Dan Shafer]

Harlequin sounds way cool, Scott.

Yes, indeed, there are still slots open at RevCon West, though not many.


On Jun 6, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:


I believe
there's still time to sign up (Dan? Chipp?) -- interested folks  
should head

over to http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest/.





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Re: who's out there?

[Dan Shafer]

Back in the Smalltalk days (man, I gotta stop this reminiscing crap),  
I once asked Adele Goldberg at ParcPlace why they sold their version  
of the language at such a high price point compared to Digitalk. Her  
answer was brilliant and insightful. "Because we don't want a bunch  
of garage programmer hobbyists trying to figure out the language and  
clogging up our support lines. We make a lot more money from the  
serious professionals who spend real money and go to training classes  
and learn it."


H.


On Jun 6, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Dan Shafer wrote:


I had lunch today with a good friend who is a serious Java gear-head.
He says the IDE he uses -- Eclipse (which is open source) -- has   
dozens of bugs that require knowledgeable workarounds. "Any   
programmer worth his or her salt knows that tiptoeing around  
these  land mines goes with the territory," he claims.
I think the real problem with Rev is its schizophrenia: it's a  
fairly  serious developer IDE that tries also to be usable by and  
accessible  to people with little or no programming training and  
experience.  Those folks don't have the high level of tolerance  
for bugs and  quirks that professionals do. They expect things  
like the IDE to  actually work.




That was one of the reasons Dr. Raney only sold licenses for $995  
--  it was a sort of marketing filter that worked well for him on  
two sides:


- It meant he sold fewer license, but he didn't have to sell as  
many to earn the same money


- His support costs were far below industry averages,  
since he was dealing with people who had usually been around the  
block with enough other tools to know how to deal with the small  
stuff.


I'm not suggesting Rev do the same, just agreeing that selling  
something as powerful as Rev cheaply is indeed a double-edged sword.


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How to find and replace

[Mark Greenberg]

Christian,
	I didn't totally understand your question, but Rev has several ways to 
match text.  RegEx, which is a tiny language imbedded into Rev, will 
match just about any pattern you want, including "da" without matching 
"das" or "Mandant" or even "Da" if you want.  Here's how in Rev-RegEx:


Put "The day is dappled with da and dads."

MatchText (MyText, "\")
--returns true because da is by itself.

ReplaceText (MyText, "\", "Ra")
--returns "The day is dappled with Ra and dads."

Try it in script, not the message box, which seems not to like RegEx.

Mark G

On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Christian wrote:


I click  "da" and I just want this to be replaced in the field
(not  "das", "Dach","Dame",...)

How can I solve this ?


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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[Mark Wieder]

Heather-

HN> We are delighted to announce the arrival of Revolution 2.6, The Tiger
HN> Release! 

The Read_Me_First file says "See the What's New file for more
details." but the What's_New file doesn't have any more details. A
list of bugs fixed in this release would be very useful.

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How to find and replace

[Mark Greenberg]

Christian,
	My previous example used a flavor of RegEx not supported by Rev.  
Sorry.  Please modify the example to read:


Put "The day is dappled with da and dads."

MatchText (MyText, "\bda\b")
--returns true because da is by itself.

ReplaceText (MyText, "\bda\b", "Ra")
--returns "The day is dappled with Ra and dads."

On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 12:56 PM, 
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I click  "da" and I just want this to be replaced in the field
(not  "das", "Dach","Dame",...)

How can I solve this ?


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How to find and replace

[Mark Greenberg]

On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 12:56 PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 I click  "da" and I just want this to be replaced in the field
(not  "das", "Dach","Dame",...)

How can I solve this ?


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Advice on: sharing data between stacks

[Emilio Gagliardi]

Emilio Gagliardi wrote:
> >The user selects some child
> >directory (modifying defaultfolders) which contains a custom stack
> >for performing some function.

>why modify defaultfolder ?

to make opening files easier.  The way I envisioned this application  
is that if it is placed at the top level folder that contains many  
possible sub stacks in the descendent folders as my previous example  
demonstrated.  The user then navigates a particular folder.  I  
figured if I modified defaultfolder to reflect the sub stack the user  
wants to use, it would be easier to do operations in that folder  
across both stacks.


>>You could simply put the "write to disk" handler in the main  
stack, and

>>then it would be available from within each of the other stacks.

Thank you! I didn't know handlers were available across stacks.  That  
is what i've done.


> >Here is how I envision the usage
>>
>> /Disk/Parent/GenericStack.rev
> >1) user selects a directory
> >2) directory contains another stack (ex. load great grandchild 2)

>This sounds like you'll (potentially) finish up with a custom stack  
for

>each child (or grandchild)

Correct.

>I'd worry this could lead to code
>duplication between all these stacks. Could you not simply store data
>specific to that child, with a central set of custom stacks for
>different categories.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by central set of custom stacks.
Yes there will be duplication but that is fine, so long as the  
demographic data is passed correctly to the sub stack and the sub  
stack correctly passes out the data to write to file.  The reason  
this is necessary is because we need to write the sub stacks very  
quickly and usually with a very restricted range of functionality  
that is independent of all other sub stacks.  further, not everyone  
who creates the sub stacks is a serious programmer so i wanted a  
system that is flexible and loose.


Thank you for the URL to the handler hierarchy, I will go through it.

Cheers,
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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Troy Rollins]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 6:41 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:



True but I think Rosetta will be much faster than a VPC solution 
since it is built into the operating system.


Chris thinks it might be slower as Morphing is more difficult than 
creating a virtual machine. But, with the faster processor, perhaps it 
will work out fine.





Looks much faster than VPC in the on-stage demos. Of course, that is 
on-stage demos...

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Re: two questions (was Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?)

[Marty Billingsley]

Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Mark Wieder wrote:
> > "Think different" is so last year.
>
> This year it's "Think really different." :)

Or perhaps, recalling the grammatical furor following that
advertising campaign, it should be "Think real different".

:-) :-)

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Re: who's out there?

[Richard Gaskin]

Dan Shafer wrote:

I had lunch today with a good friend who is a serious Java gear-head.

He says the IDE he uses -- Eclipse (which is open source) -- has  dozens 
of bugs that require knowledgeable workarounds. "Any  programmer worth 
his or her salt knows that tiptoeing around these  land mines goes with 
the territory," he claims.


I think the real problem with Rev is its schizophrenia: it's a fairly  
serious developer IDE that tries also to be usable by and accessible  to 
people with little or no programming training and experience.  Those 
folks don't have the high level of tolerance for bugs and  quirks that 
professionals do. They expect things like the IDE to  actually work.


That was one of the reasons Dr. Raney only sold licenses for $995 --  it 
was a sort of marketing filter that worked well for him on two sides:


- It meant he sold fewer license, but he didn't have to sell as many to 
earn the same money


- His support costs were far below industry averages, since 
he was dealing with people who had usually been around the block with 
enough other tools to know how to deal with the small stuff.


I'm not suggesting Rev do the same, just agreeing that selling something 
as powerful as Rev cheaply is indeed a double-edged sword.


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Re: How to find and replace

[Christian Langers]

Hi there,

thanks for the hints...

I'm with Rev 2.6. and I have used this (which works !)

put the clickText into tVar
put replaceText(fld 1,"\b"&tvar&"\b",underscores(length(tvar))) into  
fld 1


function underscores pCount
   repeat (pCount)+5
 put "_" after tString
   end repeat
   return tString
end underscores


Thanks to you all,


Christian
from (sleepy)  Luxembourg ;-)





Le 7 juin 05 à 00:39, Dar Scott a écrit :



On Jun 6, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Christian Langers wrote:



I need to do the following :

repeat with x=1 to the number of chars of the clicktext+5
put "_" after char x of tChar
end repeat

replace the clicktext with tChar in fld 1

where i want the exact word to be replaced...

e.g.  I click  "da" and I just want this to be replaced in the  
field (not  "das", "Dach","Dame",...)


How can I solve this ?



A regular expression may include \b to match at a word boundary,  
even at the start or end of a string.  Perhaps you can build up a  
regular expression and use replaceText().  (A "word" is a sequence  
of ASCII underscore, letter or digit that is bound by non-word  
characters or string boundary.)


The replaceText() function is improved for speed in Revolution 2.6,  
I understand.


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Re: two questions (was Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?)

[Dan Shafer]

Here, here!


On Jun 6, 2005, at 3:23 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Now with this little announcement I am now 100% sure I made the  
right choice and am very thankful that I made this switch. Thank you.




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Re: who's out there?

[Dan Shafer]

I had lunch today with a good friend who is a serious Java gear-head.

He says the IDE he uses -- Eclipse (which is open source) -- has  
dozens of bugs that require knowledgeable workarounds. "Any  
programmer worth his or her salt knows that tiptoeing around these  
land mines goes with the territory," he claims.


I think the real problem with Rev is its schizophrenia: it's a fairly  
serious developer IDE that tries also to be usable by and accessible  
to people with little or no programming training and experience.  
Those folks don't have the high level of tolerance for bugs and  
quirks that professionals do. They expect things like the IDE to  
actually work.


Strange idea, I know.

dan

On Jun 6, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Jon,

I wrote a succinct reply to this bug, which if you adhere to, will  
solve this problem. Did you take notice?


While it doesn't excuse the bug, it does show that if you have a  
bit of prior knowledge you can easily sidestep it. IMO, finding  
problems with no known fixes are much more critical than ones which  
can be fixed.


best,

Chipp

Jon wrote:


I'd say when an IDE simply disappears from the screen when you try  
to click on the Files menu;




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Re: two questions (was Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?)

[SimPLsol]

Oddly enough, all of these new Xboxes, from MS, Sony, and Netindo, (which 
will be using the PowerPC) are supposed to run faster than 3 GHz (in the first 
version).
If I had seen a headline on a reputable newspaper that said: "Macs to use 
Intel, MS to use PPC" I would have figured it to be an April 1st edition.
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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Chipp Walters]

Trevor DeVore wrote:


It costs $999 and you must be a Select or Premier member.


Yep, you're right. Select is another $500/yr and Premier is $3500/yr.


True but I think Rosetta will be much faster than a VPC solution since 
it is built into the operating system.


Chris thinks it might be slower as Morphing is more difficult than 
creating a virtual machine. But, with the faster processor, perhaps it 
will work out fine.


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Re: How to find and replace

[Dar Scott]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Christian Langers wrote:


I need to do the following :

repeat with x=1 to the number of chars of the clicktext+5
put "_" after char x of tChar
end repeat

replace the clicktext with tChar in fld 1

where i want the exact word to be replaced...

e.g.  I click  "da" and I just want this to be replaced in the field 
(not  "das", "Dach","Dame",...)


How can I solve this ?


A regular expression may include \b to match at a word boundary, even 
at the start or end of a string.  Perhaps you can build up a regular 
expression and use replaceText().  (A "word" is a sequence of ASCII 
underscore, letter or digit that is bound by non-word characters or 
string boundary.)


The replaceText() function is improved for speed in Revolution 2.6, I 
understand.


Dar

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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[Malte Brill]

Hey Mark,

>Did you notice that you can filter the file selectors now? 

Aint that cool? :-)
Still amazed with the speed!
Also like deepMasks.


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Revolution 2.6 & RevConWest

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Heather Nagey  wrote:

> We are delighted to announce the arrival of Revolution 2.6, The Tiger
> Release! 

Now that Heather has let the cat out of the bag (so to speak), I'll add a
little follow up announcement for a product that's been in the works for a
few months: Harlequin.

Harlequin is a skinnable software remote control application for Apple's
iTunes. This is similar in concept to an iTunes widget running under
Dashboard but Harlequin is intended to be a bit more extensible and
customizable as a standalone accessory for iTunes. Those who know their way
around Photoshop or other image editor can design their own control images,
place them in a bundle along with a layout description, and Harlequin will
dynamically assemble a functioning masque (skin) on-the-fly that controls
almost all of iTunes' playback functions.

Harlequin is one of the first Revolution apps in development to take
advantage of the new deep masks feature.

For those of you attending RevConWest, I'm going to demo Harlequin as part
of my presentation,  alongside many other expert Rev developers.  I believe
there's still time to sign up (Dan? Chipp?) -- interested folks should head
over to http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest/.

For those who aren't attending RevCon (and for anyone who wants to play),
you can download an alpha version of Harlequin here (OSX only):

http://www.tactilemedia.com/harlequin/Harlequin_a1.dmg.gz

If you are at all interested in masquing (skinning) I encourage you to join
the related forum:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harlequin-dev

See the Welcome post in the Messages area for more detailed info about the
alpha (please note that as an alpha, Harlequin is incomplete in some areas).

And now back to the Revolution.

Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Trevor DeVore]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
I believe you can get an Intel machine from Apple very soon for 
testing if you are a developer.  I thought I read somewhere during 
the keynote that you could get Pentium machine running Tiger in order 
to test.


Wow, I'd be very surprised if this is the case. Not only would Apple 
be providing MANY developers with a PC with custom ROM's which could 
be hacked, but also you can just imagine the possibility for the new 
systems to be 'leaked' which would/could drive Stevie crazy!


I think I read on their website, they would provide subscribed/paying 
developers some sort of ACCESS to these PC's. I'm thinking it'll cost 
you over $5K to get such access.


Here is what you get for porting:

http://developer.apple.com/transitionkit.html

It costs $999 and you must be a Select or Premier member.


2. ... I expect all software MUST be upgraded when Leopard ships. 
IMO, this is a big of an upgrade as the OS9 to BSD UNIX OSX.
I don't know that this is correct.  Rosetta seems to take care of 
running current software without any recompile.


Yeah, but it'll be running some sort of morphed code in simulation, 
kinda like what VirtualPC does...very slowly.


True but I think Rosetta will be much faster than a VPC solution since 
it is built into the operating system.



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Re: two questions (was Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?)

[Thomas McGrath III]

Kevin,

I remember using HC and then SC and waiting for Windows support and 
then Roadster and getting one lousy program to work in it. I was so 
disappointed. I stopped using it altogether and started to learn 
Director. (I should have learned Flash instead) I was again 
disappointed. I gave it up for it did not meet my needs.


Then when I stumbled into RunRev I hung around trying to see if that 
old negative feeling would come back. It didn't and it looked like this 
might work for me. I purchased a Enterprise License and created first 
one, then two, then three applications (all cross platform) all of 
which were successful for my employers and now I have been considering 
seriously creating my own applications in REV (the ones I gave up on in 
SC).


Now with this little announcement I am now 100% sure I made the right 
choice and am very thankful that I made this switch. Thank you.


Yours truly,

Tom

On Jun 6, 2005, at 4:08 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:


On 6/6/05 7:47 pm, "Andre Garzia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Second, how does it affects us developers? and how it affects RunRev?
Generation of code for MacOS X will have to be fat binary now, can two
versions of the engine co-exist in the same file? Will the port of
Revolution be easy?


We will be providing complete support for this transition.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: dump newbie image questiosn

[J. Landman Gay]

On 6/6/05 4:18 PM, Ryno Swart wrote:



Jacqueline, This is one of those simple, elegant, inspired moments when 
scripting sings! Nice.


Thanks. "Do more with less" is my motto. ;)




No, I wasn't joking. I'm not even sure I understand the problem because
I've never seen it. I always scale images by calculating the desired
dimensions and setting the image to that size. For example, if I want an
image to display at 1/3 its natural size, I do this:

set the width of img 1 to round((the formattedwidth of img 1) * .3)
set the height of img 1 to round((the formattedheight of img 1) * .3)

This works whether the lockloc of the image is true or false. However, I
  leave it set to true because otherwise it will reset back to normal
size if I leave the card.

I see no distortion when I do this. Technically, you don't even need to
use the "round" function because the engine will adjust to the nearest
pixel automatically.



Ryno.

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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Chipp Walters]

Trevor DeVore wrote:

I believe you can get an Intel machine from Apple very soon for testing 
if you are a developer.  I thought I read somewhere during the keynote 
that you could get Pentium machine running Tiger in order to test.


Wow, I'd be very surprised if this is the case. Not only would Apple be 
providing MANY developers with a PC with custom ROM's which could be 
hacked, but also you can just imagine the possibility for the new 
systems to be 'leaked' which would/could drive Stevie crazy!


I think I read on their website, they would provide subscribed/paying 
developers some sort of ACCESS to these PC's. I'm thinking it'll cost 
you over $5K to get such access.




2. ... I expect all software MUST be upgraded when Leopard ships. IMO, 
this is a big of an upgrade as the OS9 to BSD UNIX OSX.



I don't know that this is correct.  Rosetta seems to take care of 
running current software without any recompile.


Yeah, but it'll be running some sort of morphed code in simulation, 
kinda like what VirtualPC does...very slowly.


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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[Mark Wieder]

Malte-

Monday, June 6, 2005, 2:46:11 PM, you wrote:

MB> Even though I can´t take advantage of the Tiger only features I love
MB> this release. The changes to the inspector are very good. And the speed
MB> increase when working with many controls alone is worth the update!

Did you notice that you can filter the file selectors now? 

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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Trevor DeVore]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

I think it's a mistake for Apple to limit the OS to their boxes. Why 
NOT give Redmond a run for their money and open things up? Apple can 
have the "SONY" quality box.


New opportunities to think different.


Perhaps they will handle this like they do iPods.  HP has a branded 
iPod, maybe they will do similar things with their towers/laptops.




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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Jerry Daniels]

I think it's a mistake for Apple to limit the OS to their boxes. Why 
NOT give Redmond a run for their money and open things up? Apple can 
have the "SONY" quality box.


New opportunities to think different.

-JD

On Jun 6, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Chipp Walters wrote:
IMO, if they did offer an Intel OSX for *other* computers, they 
*might* be able to give MS (and esp. the much delayed and 
underpowered Longhorn) a run for their money.


Yes, that little company in Redmond does rather well without also 
saddling themselves with manufacturing computers.


Indeed, the best computing value I've ever had relative to other 
concurrent offerings was my Power Computing box.



A lot of folks like to point to Apple's failed cloning experiment as 
an example of why cloning must necessarily fail.  But such a view 
overlooks that Apple is the only example of such a failure.


I would argue that if Apple had entered cloning with anything more 
than a half-baked, half-hearted effort (to to mention the iron fist 
they wielded over cloners) we might once again see a 10% marketshare 
for an Apple OS.



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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Trevor DeVore]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 2:47 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Here's more food for thought on this subject.

1. When Apple finally rolls out 'Leopard,' how many 'tested on Intel' 
apps do you think there will be? Seeing how Leopard ONLY RUNS ON APPLE 
HARDWARE (see bottom of page: http://tinyurl.com/8vwvz ), how will 
develpers test their apps? I'm sure Apple will seed a few developer 
boxes out there, but the majority of developers will have to 'wait and 
see' how their newly cross-compiled code runs. Not a pretty sight, 
IMO.


I believe you can get an Intel machine from Apple very soon for testing 
if you are a developer.  I thought I read somewhere during the keynote 
that you could get Pentium machine running Tiger in order to test.


2. ... I expect all software MUST be upgraded when Leopard ships. IMO, 
this is a big of an upgrade as the OS9 to BSD UNIX OSX.


I don't know that this is correct.  Rosetta seems to take care of 
running current software without any recompile.



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Re: two questions (was Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?)

[Jerry Daniels]

IMO, PowerPC was running out of GHz.

Does it help to be different if all our apps run slowly?

-JD

On Jun 6, 2005, at 4:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


"Think the same" just doesn't look good on a banner.
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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Trevor, That's what I read. Backward compatible.

Tom

On Jun 6, 2005, at 2:34 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:


On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

 Would I buy a new PowerPC-based computer, knowing that its CPU
has just been end-of-lifed and that newly-produced software won't run
on it soon? Not on your life.


Why won't newly-produced software run on it?  Based on what was 
announced it seems that new software created with XCode 2.1 will run 
on Intel and PPC chips.  Maybe I misunderstood.



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Re: How to find and replace

[Phil Davis]

Assuming I understand the problem... try including word delimiters in 
both the replaced and the replacing text:


  get the clickText
  put underscores(length(it)) into tChars -- func makes "__" string
  put space & it & space into tBad
  put space & tChars & space into tGood
  replace tBad with tGood in fld 1


function underscores pCount
  repeat (pCount)
put "_" after tString
  end repeat
  return tString
end underscores


Phil Davis



Christian Langers wrote:

Hello list...

I think this has been asked many times, but i did not find any  
satisfying answer...


I need to do the following :

repeat with x=1 to the number of chars of the clicktext+5
put "_" after char x of tChar
end repeat

replace the clicktext with tChar in fld 1

where i want the exact word to be replaced...

e.g.  I click  "da" and I just want this to be replaced in the field  
(not  "das", "Dach","Dame",...)


How can I solve this ?


Thanks in advance,


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Re: dump newbie image questiosn

[Alex Tweedly]

Chipp Walters wrote:


Hi Alex,

My bad, I was 'reading into' something which wasn't there.

Though I wonder, why do you need a graphic "theFrame", why not just 
scale the image directly? I'm probably missing something here.


I do something similar, thought not the same, in my plugin, 
"altImgViewer", I allow users to 'double-click' an image and display 
it as large as it can be displayed inside a new window. I use the 
previously mentioned function to get the image size, then check it 
against the windowBoundingRect, then scale the window and the image 
within the window, set the filename to the image and everything works 
fine.


Seems redundant to use a 'frame' unless you're using it for visual 
purposes.


My frame sits below a row of buttons for navigating between the various 
jpgs in a folder, and above a status textArea, with an optional 
additional EXIF info textArea on one side - so I'd have to do a bit of 
calculation between the various controls surrounding it. It was easier 
to just have some object there, let GM resize that for me, then use its 
size.


I *should* use it for visual purposes as well - but I'm less visually 
oriented than many (most?) of the people on this list;  I'm much more of 
a programmer than a graphics / GUI person, so the visual niceties 
usually wait until the end (i.e. they get cut when I pass my deadline).  
I've even been known to do the documentation before the graphic tidy-up :-)


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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Troy Rollins]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

4. So, it looks like Apple will 'let' users install windows on their 
machines. The question is, will MS make it impossible to run Longhorn 
on a machine with Leopard installed? Interesting issue. If I can run 
both on one machine, then I'll probably just buy the Apple (all things 
being equal).


That wouldn't make any sense for Redmond. They have nothing to gain. 
The only thing they sell is their OS... they could care less if you 
want to buy it to run on a Mac. That's why they bought VirtualPC after 
all.

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Re: dump newbie image questiosn

[J. Landman Gay]

On 6/6/05 2:37 PM, Jon wrote:
>
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> 
>
>> No, I wasn't joking. I'm not even sure I understand the problem
>> because I've never seen it. I always scale images by calculating the
>> desired dimensions and setting the image to that size. For example, if
>> I want an image to display at 1/3 its natural size, I do this:
>>
>> set the width of img 1 to round((the formattedwidth of img 1) * .3)
>> set the height of img 1 to round((the formattedheight of img 1) * .3)
>>
>
> This is great if you know in advance that there is enough room to
> display the image in this way, at this particular scale.  What I wanted
> was something that automatically displayed the image at the largest
> resolution possible in "the available space".  That's where the
> confusion comes in: I need to store the "available space" somewhere in
> the Image object if I am to perform the computations properly.  Maybe it
> is just that simple, at least for me.

I don't usually store "available space", I just recalculate it on the 
fly. There is almost always a point of reference available to do that.


For example, you mentioned you have a stack with some buttons at the top 
and the entire lower section available for an image. Or at least, I will 
assume that for this example. In that case, your reference points are:


the available width is equal to the width of the card
the available height is equal to the height of the card minus the bottom 
of your row of buttons, and probably minus a small amount for a margin 
between the button row and the top of the image.


So your script can do this:

put the width of this cd into tW
put the height of this cd - the bottom of btn "aTopRowButton" \
  - 20 into tH

You may want to subtract a bit more from the height calculation so that 
you have more space between the button row and the top of the image you 
are about to put in there. I have left a 20-pixel margin. You may also 
not want the image butted up against the sides of the card, so you could 
subtract some more from the width to account for a margin there too if 
you want. Now you have the available space for an image. Then you add 
the image to the card while the screen is locked so that the resizing 
won't be noticed. Like this:


lock screen
set the filename of img 1 to 

Or you could use "put url  into img 1" if you want the image 
to be stored directly in the stack itself. The above method uses a 
referenced image, pulled from disk on the fly. Referenced images keep 
your stack size smaller on disk, but you run a higher risk the files 
will become separated from the place the script expects to find them. 
You can decide which way you want to use.


Now get the formatted dimensions, and use them to calculate the ratio of 
the resizing that is required, depending on whether the width or the 
height fits best:


put the formattedheight of img 1 into tFHt
put the formattedwidth of img 1 into tFWd
put max(tH/tFHt, tW/tFWd) into tRatio
set the height of img 1 to tFHt*tRatio
set the width of img 1 to tFWd*tRatio

And that's it. If you need to, set the final location of the image, 
because resizing it may have moved it slightly:


set the loc of img 1 to  -- or you could set the "topleft"

Here it is all together (watch for line wrap):

*

put the width of this cd into tW
put the height of this cd - the bottom of btn "aTopRowButton" \
   - 20 into tH
lock screen
set the filename of img 1 to )
put the formattedheight of img 1 into tFHt
put the formattedwidth of img 1 into tFWd
put max(tH/tFHt, tW/tFWd) into tRatio
set the height of img 1 to tFHt*tRatio
set the width of img 1 to tFWd*tRatio
set the topleft of img 1 to (0,the bottom of btn "aTopRowButton" + 20)
unlock screen

*

I think that does what you want. No need to alter the lockloc of the 
image (which should remain true.) Works cross-platform. ;)


Yes?

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Re: Transitive?

[Thomas McGrath III]

I've been hearing this kind of stuff for over ten years now and my Mac 
is still better than any Windows based computer that I've ever had the 
opportunity to use. Have you seen the amount of Anit-spyware, 
Anit-popup, and Anti-Virus software necessary to even run a PC lately? 
If Macs were ever to go away I would switch to Unix/Linux and not 
Windows.


I get so much more work done for my computer dollar that I would never 
consider switching to a Windows based computer. Plus the comfortable 
feeling I get using my Mac has never been the same when I am using a 
Windows system. This is the same for every person I know of that has 
used both systems side by side.


I would not worry about Apple at all.

Tom

On Jun 6, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Gordon Webster wrote:


 I
would like to be able to own one myself but the simple
truth is I get so much more computer for my money
using Intel/Linux and so much more choice of software
to run on it as well.

By analogy perhaps and for those of you who enjoy
photography - consider the recent, effective demise of
the Leica Camera company. Paraphrasing the Leica
chairman: "We're a niche market with a loyal following
of more discerning customers" - sounds familiar
doesn't it!

I pray that Apple will be smarter than this in the
future.

Gordon



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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Dennis Brown]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Since 'Switching' to PC's in 96 when Apple went a full year w/out  
being able to supply our company with laptops, I can only hope they  
'decide' to offer the Intel OSX on white-box computers. But, I'd be  
surprised if they did, as Jobs seems intent to provide both the  
hardware and software for all Apple products.


IMO, if they did offer an Intel OSX for *other* computers, they  
*might* be able to give MS (and esp. the much delayed and  
underpowered Longhorn) a run for their money.


Chipp,

I think Apple made it quite clear in subsequent interviews that they  
will NOT be making an OS X to run on anyone else's hardware.  They  
did not rule out MS providing a Windows version to run on their new  
Apptel hardware just as you can run Linux now.  It is quite clear  
that Apple plans on continuing to supply a complete hardware/software  
solution.


If you think about it, that is a smart marketing strategy --Buy your  
hardware from us and you can run anything!


Dennis
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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Jerry Daniels]

YES, we're intel now

On Jun 6, 2005, at 4:47 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Here's more food for thought on this subject.

1. When Apple finally rolls out 'Leopard,' how many 'tested on Intel' 
apps do you think there will be? Seeing how Leopard ONLY RUNS ON APPLE 
HARDWARE (see bottom of page: http://tinyurl.com/8vwvz ), how will 
develpers test their apps? I'm sure Apple will seed a few developer 
boxes out there, but the majority of developers will have to 'wait and 
see' how their newly cross-compiled code runs. Not a pretty sight, 
IMO.


2. Why would anyone want to buy a Mac computer today, knowing it will 
be outdated/obsolete in a year or two? Also, I expect all software 
MUST be upgraded when Leopard ships. IMO, this is a big of an upgrade 
as the OS9 to BSD UNIX OSX.


3. We already know Mac users hold onto their computers longer than PC 
users. The current Mac marketshare is something around 4% while the 
userbase is around 10%, which supports that fact. So, will users be 
inclined to keep their existing Macs while waiting for the new Intel 
ones? I am. I'm wondering how this will affect the 'bottom line.'?


4. So, it looks like Apple will 'let' users install windows on their 
machines. The question is, will MS make it impossible to run Longhorn 
on a machine with Leopard installed? Interesting issue. If I can run 
both on one machine, then I'll probably just buy the Apple (all things 
being equal).


-Chipp

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Re: dump newbie image questiosn

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 3:37 PM -0400 6/6/2005, Jon wrote:
This is great if you know in advance that there is enough room to 
display the image in this way, at this particular scale.  What I 
wanted was something that automatically displayed the image at the 
largest resolution possible in "the available space".  That's where 
the confusion comes in: I need to store the "available space" 
somewhere in the Image object if I am to perform the computations 
properly.  Maybe it is just that simple, at least for me.


This should work. (It assumes that when you start, the image is at 
its natural size.)



on scaleImageTo myImage,newRect -- myImage is a short ID
  put item 3 of newRect - item 1 of newRect into newWidth
  put item 4 of newRect - item 2 of newRect into newHeight
  put newWidth/newHeight into newRatio
  put the formattedWidth of image ID myImage/ \
 the formattedHeight of image ID myImage into imageRatio
  lock screen
  -- scale the image to respect its aspect ratio
  if imageRatio = newRatio then
-- proportions match
set the height of image ID myImage to newHeight
set the width of image ID myImage to newWidth
  else if imageRatio > newRatio then
-- image height is proportionally greater
set the width of image ID myImage to newWidth
set the height of image ID myImage to \
   trunc(the width of image ID myImage/imageRatio)
  else -- imageRatio < newRatio
-- image width is proportionally greater
set the height of image ID myImage to newHeight
set the width of image ID myImage to \
   trunc(the height of image ID myImage * imageRatio)
  end if
  set the topLeft of image ID myImage to \
 item 1 of newRect,item 2 of newRect
  -- maintain current size:
  set the lockLoc of image ID myImage to true
  unlock screen
end scaleImageTo
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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Chipp Walters]

Here's more food for thought on this subject.

1. When Apple finally rolls out 'Leopard,' how many 'tested on Intel' 
apps do you think there will be? Seeing how Leopard ONLY RUNS ON APPLE 
HARDWARE (see bottom of page: http://tinyurl.com/8vwvz ), how will 
develpers test their apps? I'm sure Apple will seed a few developer 
boxes out there, but the majority of developers will have to 'wait and 
see' how their newly cross-compiled code runs. Not a pretty sight, IMO.


2. Why would anyone want to buy a Mac computer today, knowing it will be 
outdated/obsolete in a year or two? Also, I expect all software MUST be 
upgraded when Leopard ships. IMO, this is a big of an upgrade as the OS9 
to BSD UNIX OSX.


3. We already know Mac users hold onto their computers longer than PC 
users. The current Mac marketshare is something around 4% while the 
userbase is around 10%, which supports that fact. So, will users be 
inclined to keep their existing Macs while waiting for the new Intel 
ones? I am. I'm wondering how this will affect the 'bottom line.'?


4. So, it looks like Apple will 'let' users install windows on their 
machines. The question is, will MS make it impossible to run Longhorn on 
a machine with Leopard installed? Interesting issue. If I can run both 
on one machine, then I'll probably just buy the Apple (all things being 
equal).


-Chipp

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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[Malte Brill]

Even though I can´t take advantage of the Tiger only features I love 
this release. The changes to the inspector are very good. And the speed 
increase when working with many controls alone is worth the update!


Thanks a lot!

Malte
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Re: two questions (was Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?)

[SimPLsol]

"Think the same" just doesn't look good on a banner.
Paul Looney
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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Richard Gaskin]

Chipp Walters wrote:
IMO, if they did offer an Intel OSX for *other* computers, they *might* 
be able to give MS (and esp. the much delayed and underpowered Longhorn) 
a run for their money.


Yes, that little company in Redmond does rather well without also 
saddling themselves with manufacturing computers.


Indeed, the best computing value I've ever had relative to other 
concurrent offerings was my Power Computing box.



A lot of folks like to point to Apple's failed cloning experiment as an 
example of why cloning must necessarily fail.  But such a view overlooks 
that Apple is the only example of such a failure.


I would argue that if Apple had entered cloning with anything more than 
a half-baked, half-hearted effort (to to mention the iron fist they 
wielded over cloners) we might once again see a 10% marketshare for an 
Apple OS.



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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[HyperChris]

FYI ... page 17 of the newly released Universal Binary Programming Guidelines 
says ...
Mac OS X ensures that byte-ordering is correct for anything it is responsible 
for. Apple-defined
resources (such as menus) won’t result in problem behavior. Custom resources 
provided by your
application can result in problem behavior.

... this document is a good read BTW if you wonder how everything is going to 
work. I was much less skeptical/cynical after reading it.

In a message dated 6/6/05 12:38:15 PM, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> In our scripts we should not depend on OS X as an indicator of byte
> order.
> 

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Re: dump newbie image questiosn

[Ryno Swart]

Jacqueline, This is one of those simple, elegant, inspired moments when 
scripting sings! Nice.



No, I wasn't joking. I'm not even sure I understand the problem because
I've never seen it. I always scale images by calculating the desired
dimensions and setting the image to that size. For example, if I want 
an

image to display at 1/3 its natural size, I do this:

set the width of img 1 to round((the formattedwidth of img 1) * .3)
set the height of img 1 to round((the formattedheight of img 1) * .3)

This works whether the lockloc of the image is true or false. However, 
I

  leave it set to true because otherwise it will reset back to normal
size if I leave the card.

I see no distortion when I do this. Technically, you don't even need to
use the "round" function because the engine will adjust to the nearest
pixel automatically.


Ryno.

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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[Kevin Miller]

On 6/6/05 10:09 pm, "Troy Rollins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> So is this update live?  Because the download page still says 2.5.1.
> 
> But what you get is the update... at least for OSX.
> --

We've fixed the download pages now, thanks.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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Re: Revolution 2.6 Tiger Unleashed

[Troy Rollins]

On Jun 6, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:


So is this update live?  Because the download page still says 2.5.1.


But what you get is the update... at least for OSX.
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Re: dump newbie image questiosn

[Mark Wieder]

Jon-

Monday, June 6, 2005, 4:37:42 AM, you wrote:

J> Decades ago, when cross-platform compatibility using interpreters was
J> also interesting, there was a system called the p-System.  It predated
J> the Apple entirely.  In that system, there was a "native code" pragma

Well, it depends on how you define "predated" or maybe "entirely". The
p-System started around 1977 and was fully developed in 1978 at UCSD.

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Re: Uh-oh.... Anybody following WWDC?

[Dennis Brown]

If it took changing 20 lines of code out of one million, and it took  
20 minutes to do this without any training on what to do before hand  
to make Mathematica run on the new architecture, that must be a lot  
easier than changing to run on a "New Advanced yet to be announced"  
version of a Power PC.  What this means is that supporting PPC or the  
new Apptel architecture will be largely transparent.  The Rosetta  
translator will make it a snap.  If you want to get the last 10% of  
speed out of it, you might need to put more effort into it, but if a  
little bit of speed is that important, wait a month for the next  
processor speed bump.


As far as buying a new PPC Mac now, I am planning on it soon.  I need  
another mini for some automation stuff.  I am not worried about it  
becoming obsolete in a year.  Heck, every CPU I have ever bought was  
obsolete 3 months after I bought it anyway.  And since it is no extra  
work for developers to support the older installed PPC base, I am not  
worried about not having the latest versions of programs available  
for me to use until I decide to upgrade my processor speed.


Dennis

On Jun 6, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

Will it affect Apple's user base? Who knows. Mac users are  
intensely loyal, and the transition will be transparent to the end  
user. If the developer community stays on board, Apple should make  
the transition okay.


The bottom line is if you abandon Mac OS X your choice is ... what?  
Switch to Windows? LInux?


I'm not planning to do either.

I'll be interesting in hearing reactions from developers this week.

Devin

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Re: who's out there?

[Mark Talluto]

On Jun 5, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Jon wrote:

I'm curious.  How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how  
many of you just play with it. ...





Hi Jon,

I use Revolution for all development of my commercial applications.   
I have found that it enables my small company to compete with much  
larger companies that choose to use lower level languages and larger  
teams of programmers.  My products usually take the top 3 sales  
positions in their respective genre.  Most are in the number one  
position.  I owe most of that to MetaCard and now Rev with it  
*really* works cross-platform capabilities.



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Re: dump newbie image questiosn

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Alex,

My bad, I was 'reading into' something which wasn't there.

Though I wonder, why do you need a graphic "theFrame", why not just 
scale the image directly? I'm probably missing something here.


I do something similar, thought not the same, in my plugin, 
"altImgViewer", I allow users to 'double-click' an image and display it 
as large as it can be displayed inside a new window. I use the 
previously mentioned function to get the image size, then check it 
against the windowBoundingRect, then scale the window and the image 
within the window, set the filename to the image and everything works fine.


Seems redundant to use a 'frame' unless you're using it for visual purposes.

best,

Chipp

Alex Tweedly wrote:

Jon wrote:

This is great if you know in advance that there is enough room to 
display the image in this way, at this particular scale.  What I 
wanted was something that automatically displayed the image at the 
largest resolution possible in "the available space".  That's where 
the confusion comes in: I need to store the "available space" 
somewhere in the Image object if I am to perform the computations 
properly.  Maybe it is just that simple, at least for me.



I did that by putting in a graphic "theFrame" which was set to the 
maximum size available for the image. In the Geometry manager, I set the 
graphic up to stretch to fill the space when the user resized the stack 
window (and ignored the image object).  And then simply calculated the 
sizes for the image to fit inside the graphic "theFrame".



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Re: dump newbie image questiosn

[Cubist]

sez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> No, I wasn't joking. I'm not even sure I understand the problem 
>> because I've never seen it. I always scale images by calculating the
>> desired dimensions and setting the image to that size. For example, if
>> I want an image to display at 1/3 its natural size, I do this:
>> set the width of img 1 to round((the formattedwidth of img 1) * .3)
>> set the height of img 1 to round((the formattedheight of img 1) * .3)
>This is great if you know in advance that there is enough room to 
>display the image in this way, at this particular scale.  What I wanted
>was something that automatically displayed the image at the largest 
>resolution possible in "the available space".  That's where the 
>confusion comes in: I need to store the "available space" somewhere in
>the Image object if I am to perform the computations properly.  Maybe it
>is just that simple, at least for me.
   You want to know what factor an image should be resized by in order to fit 
into your viewer? Not a problem. Presumably, you know how much space your 
image-viewer *has* in which to display your image -- if you don't, I suspect 
you're pretty well screwed until the good folk at RunRev come out with code for 
the justDoItForCryingOutLoud handler. So, given the known dimensions of the 
viewable area, something along these lines might be appropriate:

function FindResizeFactor ViewX, ViewY, ImageX, ImageY
return min (ViewX/ImageX,ViewY/ImageY)
end FindResizeFactor
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