Re: Anyone else under two feet of snow
Here in San Francisco, it's 50 degrees. As usual. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 7 February 2010 20:14, Judy Perry jper...@ecs.fullerton.edu wrote: Here in San Diego I am marvelling at this strange precipitation from the sky that I hear is called rain, whatever that is ;-) Judy On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, Jim Ault wrote: and in Vegas it is tennis weather. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [WOT] The Prescience of Ian Dury
On 08/02/2010 09:35, Kay C Lan wrote: On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Ian Dury and the Blockheads. Wow, now that's a blast from the past. Das ist gute, ce fantastique, Hit me, hit me, hit me. ___ I got a very good compilation CD of his stuff from Amazon. It takes longer to get up north; the slow way. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Anyone else under two feet of snow
On 08/02/2010 10:00, stephen barncard wrote: Here in San Francisco, it's 50 degrees. As usual. - Here, in Plovdiv, the temperature has warmed up to 0 degs C / 32 degs Fahrenheit, so we now are having 'MSB' (Massive Snow Build-Up - before you ask) and had to get up at 6 am to shovel a trench from the school to the road, round the front of the house and back to the front door: 42° 8'50.91N 24°44'40.41E from Google Earth (screws up on addresses in Bulgarian). Not much sympathy with the Happy San Franciscans . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux
I've got Andre's Suse based distribution but have not yet burned to usb and fired up. However, thinking about this, there are some considerations about a reference distro, which could be a very useful possible way out of the Linux issues. Thoughts: 1) it needs to run Rev exactly as the developers expect. So, if revPrintField and multiple desktops are not supported, they should not work on the reference distribution, and the release notes should say so. Or, if they are, the release notes should say so, and they should work on the reference distribution. Rev Browser as well! This is normal quality management procedures, and Rev needs to start this right away. Define the standard and define the tests and give the results. Then we can be certain that if we don't get the same results, its down to our particular installation. 2) The chosen distribution should be reasonably pure. Many of the larger distributions are not. I don't think this is much of a problem in practice for users, but if you are using a reference distro, it should be one that has as few custom mods as possible. It should be one where you can be pretty sure that if a given feature works on this, it will work on anything, because you know its working on a non-customized install. A personal view: this will rule out using many large favorites as your reference distro. From this perspective perhaps the reference distro should be Slackware? That is the least tweaked distribution there is. A Debian stable standard installation would also be a candidate.What you do not want is one where all the configuration files are covered in ##do not edit this file it is generated automatically## It would be nice if its live, but probably not essentiaI. I am tempted to suggest Slax, which is Slackware live, very popular, and very compact, but its probably excessively customized to serve as a reference distribution. The point of a reference distribution is it should be unquestionable that if a feature works on this, it is implemented correctly. Slackware, I think most people would agree, meets this test. This is probably more important than being live. 3) Testing and certification, if thats the word, should be done running on real hardware, not in a virtual machine. It may be interesting that Rev does not work properly in XP running on VirtualBox on a Mac, but establishing that is not a robust way of testing a reference XP installation. Nor is the equivalent for Linux. Nor indeed would we test Rev for OSX on a Hackintosh as a reference installation! So we should not rely on this approach for Linux. The thing is, to prove a feature is implemented correctly, you only need to produce one standard distro on which it works to spec. At the moment we are in a situation where there is no reference, and people can always say, well, it works/does not work for me. And then they have to start talking which release of which version, all of which may well be, most probably is, totally irrelevant. But how do we know? I assume that when Mac or Windows releases are feature tested, it is against some specific version or feature pack. Same thing is needed for Linux. It would save a huge amount of time, speculation and irritation. Peter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux
Hey Peter, this is an excellent idea! Of course to make this official it would require action by the mothership. But even without that, having a reference distribution where rev works without major flaws would be very empowering, as one could just point ones clients to the reference distro and let *them* figure out, where their setup differs. The slicker the distribution, the better. :-) Obviously, being a life distribution would be a major plus. Have you considered entering this as a feature request into godzilla? All the best, Malte___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
First the bad news: The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of money transfer inside the European Union and between Europe and the rest of the world. The European Parliament in its majority was against this treaty, but under the old law (until Dec 1, 2009) could not participate in that decision and now, however, might repeal it in the near future. The European representatives are presently under great pressure from the side of U.S-lobbyists, as the press reports. The possibility to collect and screen financial and personal data has far-reaching consequences not only for industrial espionage, but also for individuals. I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I would renew my license for Revolution (happily I have done that already) or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. Runtime Revolution might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially aggressive kind of revolution.- Now a bit of good news: Andro, the manufacturer and provider of table-tennis equipment has produced a new rubber called Revolution and Revolution Quad with its varieties 420, 450, and 480 (watch for line breaks in the link). http://www.tabletennisdb.com/table-tennis-rubber.php?id=andro-revolution-quad-420 The idea of the new material is to increase speed and spin, while at the same time maintain a high degree of control, a problem that is difficult to resolve because usually when increasing speed you loose control. Unfortunately, this new product - at first tried out widely in the table-tennis community - did not live up to the promises of Andro and the expectations of the users, which especially can happen when you choose such ambitious names like Revolution that have rather to be understood as an intended goal (to be reached somewhere in the future) than an already overall perfect and innovative tool. Happily Butterfly, the Japanese manufacturer with a long tradition of high-quality products, stepped in here. I myself had started my career with the legendary English Barna rubber (comparable to the Basic of programming languages), and then for a long time of my development used Butterfly Sriver and SuperSriver. Now Butterfly has presented the new tenergy rubber in several varieties that indeed seems to fulfil what Andro had promised with its Revolution. http://www.butterflyonline.com/online_store_productcloseup.asp?page=rubber_all.asptype=3ID=97pg=1SortBy=b.image3displayNum=5frompg=allrubbers (again watch for line breaks in the link). Tenergy is now the material of choice among most of the high-level players in our region. As for myself, I did not totally abandon Revolution, but use it on the backhand side of my second racket which I use when I encounter an opponent in our team-sport series who is even quicker and more offensive in his play than myself - by then slowing down the tempo of the match with a thinner layer of Revolution, thus preserving at least a chance to survive.- Conclusion: Following the example of Butterfly, I would recommend to rename Runtime Revolution to Runtime T-Energy. On the hand this would protect us against unwarranted harassment from the side of the CIA, on the other hand it would preserve the notion of a product that is strong, potentially reliable, and even innovative. Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
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Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.dewrote: Conclusion: Following the example of Butterfly, I would recommend to rename Runtime Revolution to Runtime T-Energy. Well, just as long as the promo doesn't include: the fastest most explosive rubbers in our line all without the use of any speed-glues From where I come from, that just doesn't read right X-| ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux
Peter Alcibiades wrote: 1) it needs to run Rev exactly as the developers expect. So, if revPrintField and multiple desktops are not supported, they should not work on the reference distribution, and the release notes should say so. Or, if they are, the release notes should say so, and they should work on the reference distribution. Rev Browser as well! revPrintField: What is the nature of the problem with that command on Linux? I searched for those terms in the RQCC and came up empty - what's the RQCC #? I wonder if it's something we may be able to fix ourselves, and deliver the fix to RR. revBrowser: This seems merely a question of resource allocation, but being an external it seems likely something that could be farmed out if there was money available to do so. A couple of us have expressed interest in helping to fund such an effort - any others willing to chip in? I have no idea of the cost, but I'd guess it'd be at least $1k; between myself and my clients we may be able to justify a few hundred, which won't cover it all but if others can come on board with contributions this may well be doable at no cost to RR and therefore no delay to ourselves. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Andre's house - was DVD set (somewhat OT ) - completely off topic
Willian, You win the best location award, it must be marvelous to live among the nature like that. I hope it is colder than the 120F or 49C that we're having here... Rio is melting. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, william humphrey b...@bluewatermaritime.com wrote: OK Andre this is my place (it also doesn't snow here): http://bit.ly/bXygOc Google maps also has it wrong. It doesn't come up in a search by name and there isn't any address at all. The Navteq people who collected the google map data even stayed with us and it still isn't right so what can you do? I think that google stopped using the Navteq data or something and it is affecting their maps. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Paul Looney supp...@ahsomme.com wrote: Andre, Sitting here in my office in San Dimas, California, I can see your house quite clearly - even the purple tag. We live in an amazing age! Paul Looney On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: ... In case anyone is wondering where I live or how Brazil actually looks like, go to http://bit.ly/aOqkjj In the center there's a soccer camp, and a tennis court, my house is directly in front of the tennis court, you can even see my pool. I put a little purple direction thing on top of my house but I don't know if it will stick. And of course, google maps gets the address wrong, the address there is completelly wrong, I don't live in Jacaré or that street, that address is more than 4 KM away from my place. Silly broken geolocation. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro
Sarah, Thanks for the kind words. The password is linux. As I said before, I created this rather quickly, so guess, what, I did not include many gnome tools such as a control panel to set resolution and many other tasks. I am building a new version now with these goodies. The bad part is the exponential growth on the distribution, it now weights about 900MB mostly because those nice GUI tools have a lot of dependencies and I can't uninstall certain big packages because they are dependencies of other packages... Today I will build the new version and will upload some how tos as well. Cheers andre On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Sarah Reichelt sarah.reich...@gmail.com wrote: Move your browsers to http://andregarzia.com/revlinux/ and check it out. So far I just put the VMWare Image out, the other images and LiveCD will follow shortly. This is a SuSe based distro with revEnterprise, revStudio, MySQL, PostgreSQL, Apache2, RevOnRockets installed. I created this from our emails yesterday till today, so it is a bit rough. I will polish it more if there's interest. Fascinating Andre. Although I have no current need for this, I downloaded it out of interest and it works! I am running it in VirtualBox on my Mac. But as a total Linux ignoramus, I have a couple of questions: - how do I change the screen resolution? I saw an icon that looked promising, but it said rotation was not supported and then gave an error. - what is the root password? I found the system prefs (I think) but couldn't open them without a password. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: revPrintField: What is the nature of the problem with that command on Linux? I searched for those terms in the RQCC and came up empty - what's the RQCC #? I wonder if it's something we may be able to fix ourselves, and deliver the fix to RR. I did find one 'unconfirmed' report from May 2008 on revPrintField that had been submitted by Peter: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6478 Hopefully he can let us know if there is anything else that is not reported. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux
Folks, I am building VM images, USB Images and LiveCD. It is SuSe based and Gnome based. I would not switch to build in any other distro such as debian or slackware for they do not provide anything like susestudio which is the only way I can use my free time to build a distro for us. SuSe is a mature linux that has been here since forever, not as old as slackware but again, much more friendly. Gnome is the most popular linux desktop, with all the shift of KDE4, it still needs more time to mature and decide on its changes. IceWM, XFCE are all cool and lightweight but we're not building a linux distro, we're build an environment for Rev testing and development that mimics the most common linuces out there and that requires gnome. For example, many new users are ubuntu users and ubuntu comes with gnome. The distro is now twice the size it was since I added some multimedia, network and printing support which requires hundreds of libraries and dependencies. I added those for people want to test their software doing that kind of stuff, if the support is not there then we fail as a linux test and development stuff. The secondary objective of this distro is to push Rev on Linux forward, to get more users testing and demanding fixes. The tertiary objective is to turn more users towards linux, it may not be Mac OS X but it is better than Windows (this is my own linux slogan). The fourth objective is to create a little RunRev Community Linux ecosystem and community so that we can give away bottoms and USB live drives on the next conference and gain even more popularity. The fifth objective is unknown at the moment but I am accepting suggestions. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro
Andre, if its 900mb and rising, surely what's needed is Slax. They have a build it yourself option, and I bet it could be brought in maybe under 300, using their stuff. And that will include KDE as the DTE, complete with all the tools. It starts out at only 200mb out of the box. Admittedly that is with Konqueror and not Firefox, and KOffice not OpenOffice. But for a Rev demonstrator, why not? Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1473009.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro
Peter, because it is not a rev demonstrator! :D I don't have any office suite there. But we need firefox or how we will test revlets under linux? The size is big right now but still not prohibitive, I will hunt down the uneeded packages as soon as I get it running and then will start removing them. the build it yourself option of slax, does not comes near susestudio, I can work susestudio while I work other stuff, for example switching to it as some of my downloads comes. It is quite easy to use and web. :D On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Andre, if its 900mb and rising, surely what's needed is Slax. They have a build it yourself option, and I bet it could be brought in maybe under 300, using their stuff. And that will include KDE as the DTE, complete with all the tools. It starts out at only 200mb out of the box. Admittedly that is with Konqueror and not Firefox, and KOffice not OpenOffice. But for a Rev demonstrator, why not? Peter -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/ANN-RunRev-Community-Linux-Distro-tp1469089p1473009.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reference (maybe Live) Distribution for Rev Linux
Two problems. First problem is in my Debian install, and here the problem is any sort of printing. Print card, print field, page setup. As a for example, create a field, select it (this is in the IDE) and select Print from the file menu. There seem not to be any printers. But every other application bar none can print, and not only do I have a physical printer configured, I have cupspdf, so I could print to pdf if it could see it or any of the printers that are set up. Second problem was on Mandriva in another install. Here it was able to find the printer, and to print to it, but it truncated the file, and it was impossible to change the settings on the printer, for instance change the orientation or change the percentage zoom, to fit it all in. If I recall correctly, the settings were there, they just had no effect, it came out the same no matter what you put them to. So Method B, which I am still using on the Mandriva install, was to export field to a text file, then go out to shell. In the shell, open awk, then pick the columns and put them in with controlled tabs, then pipe the result into kprinter, and bingo out it comes. OK, I personally don't mind doing it like this. But not many will do it. At the time I posted the bug, or a bit later, someone else had an early copy of one of the new releases and he said that the problem had not been resolved in it. So he could reproduce it. I think it was one of the French members. At the time, I was on Lenny when it was Testing. Then Lenny migrated to Stable, and it was the same thing. Now I am on Squeeze, which is Testing, and its the same thing. But its not just Debian, there is also a problem with Mandriva, a different one, but still a problem with revPrintField. Print card works fine by the way on the Mandriva installation, though the fonts come out a little odd. But its acceptable, and it does print into the area specified, as its supposed to. Finally, there are problems with seeing some fonts. Again, this is just Rev, all other programs see all the fonts. Now, it could be something about both of my installs, who knows? But what would be really nice, and is about the minimum I would demand if I were managing it, is to have some specification of how this stuff is supposed to work. Like, am I supposed to be able to see all the installed fonts from Rev, or just some of them, and if so which some? Am I supposed to be able to do revPrintField and then set the zoom level and page orientation, or is this not supported? Are printers supposed to be visible on all distros, or just some, and if so which? And finally, if I were managing it, I would want to go into Development and have them show me a non-tweaked clean installation and do whatever it is, and show it working. End of argument. I would want Slackware, but if they choose Ubuntu or Suse, OK, as long as there is a reference system of some sort that's a known quantity. Same thing by the way with virtual desktops. Is it supposed to work? Like, on Open Office, you can have the dictionary on one desktop and the program on another. Its very useful if you are doing large complicated spreadsheets, which I no longer do, but back then it was a lifesaver trying to get functions to work. You cannot do this sort of thing with the different windows in Rev. Why not? And are you supposed to be able to? I have no idea on either one. I'm not trying to be difficult about this, almost any clear answer is acceptable, but what what we need is some clear statement on what is supposed to work, how its supposed to work, and a reference system on which it has been seen working. Or what is not supposed to work, and what reference system it has been shown not to work on, that will do too. Clarity! -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Reference-maybe-Live-Distribution-for-Rev-Linux-tp1472761p1473046.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] RunRev Community Linux Distro
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: if its 900mb and rising, surely what's needed is Slax. I don't think 900mb is so big (when one considers that so many distributions come on DVDs). If it really is a download headache, we can always create a torrent and allow multiple people to share in the distribution of the distribution :-) Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Andre's house - was DVD set (somewhat OT ) - completely off topic
Andre It is always between 72 and 85 degrees F up here in the rainforest. But the humidity is often 100%. I have to store all data on hard drives (music CD's and movie DVD's don't last) and keep them warm. Not complaining. I love it here. Anytime you want to come to our bed and breakfast and stay for free you are welcome ( http://www.rainforestinn.com ). That invitation is, of course, open to all you other RunRev programmers who have many magnitudes of ability greater than I. Bill On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: Willian, You win the best location award, it must be marvelous to live among the nature like that. I hope it is colder than the 120F or 49C that we're having here... Rio is melting. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Wilhelm Sanke wrote: I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I would renew my license for Revolution (happily I have done that already) or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. Runtime Revolution might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially aggressive kind of revolution.- Good thing that the company changed their name to RunRev, and the product is now called simply Rev. If you get persecuted about it, just say the company makes accelerator pedals. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Now imagine me... I had a badge last conference saying Revolution Consultant, it is like a third-party guerrilha for hire or something :D On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:37 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Wilhelm Sanke wrote: I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I would renew my license for Revolution (happily I have done that already) or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. Runtime Revolution might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially aggressive kind of revolution.- Good thing that the company changed their name to RunRev, and the product is now called simply Rev. If you get persecuted about it, just say the company makes accelerator pedals. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Hmmm Che Garzia. Has a familiar ring to it... On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: Now imagine me... I had a badge last conference saying Revolution Consultant, it is like a third-party guerrilha for hire or something :D ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
On 08/02/2010 14:15, Kay C Lan wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Wilhelm Sankesa...@hrz.uni-kassel.dewrote: Conclusion: Following the example of Butterfly, I would recommend to rename Runtime Revolution to Runtime T-Energy. Well, just as long as the promo doesn't include: the fastest most explosive rubbers in our line all without the use of any speed-glues From where I come from, that just doesn't read right X-| One of my favourite films when I was about 21 (not any more) was 'Eraserhead'; it took me years to connect the fact that the hero's head was made into pencil rubbers to the title: or, put another way; one man' rubber is another man's __ (fill in word of choice here). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
/Kay C Lan lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com wrote: / Following the example of Butterfly, I would recommend to rename Runtime Revolution to Runtime T-Energy. Well, just as long as the promo doesn't include: the fastest most explosive rubbers in our line all without the use of any speed-glues/ You are right. I overlooked this part of the text on the Butterfly website. Sounds like a recipe for a shoe-bomber. I will write to Butterfly about this. Wilhelm Sanke / ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Believe it or not, I was in charge of Security Compliance at SWIFT before I retired 3 years ago and I can promise you that you can sleep comfortably without any worries of the Big Bad US Government spying on your money transactions. First of all, the money has to flow thru SWIFT's network, which means its a bank-to-bank transfer (not things like Visa or cash machine stuff). Secondly, even though I was in charge of security compliance I didn't know anything about the program until it was announced by the NY Times, thats how well controlled and limited it was managed. Thirdly, the process is incredibly controlled. The government has to give specific transactions they want to see (in other words, no fishing expeditions, they have to know what they want to see in advance), they can only see the transactions (no copies) and the whole process is limited to 3 people (a SWIFT representative, an external independent security auditor and the Treasury representative). In the time period that was reported in the news, I think they saw a total of 6 transactions out of the 2+ million sent thru the SWIFT network every day. While I hated to see my company dragged down into the US Government security facade of the past administration (sri for the political rant there), it wasn't what the press made it out to be. 73 Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.dewrote: First the bad news: The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of money transfer inside the European Union and between Europe and the rest of the world. The European Parliament in its majority was against this treaty, but under the old law (until Dec 1, 2009) could not participate in that decision and now, however, might repeal it in the near future. The European representatives are presently under great pressure from the side of U.S-lobbyists, as the press reports. The possibility to collect and screen financial and personal data has far-reaching consequences not only for industrial espionage, but also for individuals. I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I would renew my license for Revolution (happily I have done that already) or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. Runtime Revolution might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially aggressive kind of revolution.- Now a bit of good news: Andro, the manufacturer and provider of table-tennis equipment has produced a new rubber called Revolution and Revolution Quad with its varieties 420, 450, and 480 (watch for line breaks in the link). http://www.tabletennisdb.com/table-tennis-rubber.php?id=andro-revolution-quad-420 The idea of the new material is to increase speed and spin, while at the same time maintain a high degree of control, a problem that is difficult to resolve because usually when increasing speed you loose control. Unfortunately, this new product - at first tried out widely in the table-tennis community - did not live up to the promises of Andro and the expectations of the users, which especially can happen when you choose such ambitious names like Revolution that have rather to be understood as an intended goal (to be reached somewhere in the future) than an already overall perfect and innovative tool. Happily Butterfly, the Japanese manufacturer with a long tradition of high-quality products, stepped in here. I myself had started my career with the legendary English Barna rubber (comparable to the Basic of programming languages), and then for a long time of my development used Butterfly Sriver and SuperSriver. Now Butterfly has presented the new tenergy rubber in several varieties that indeed seems to fulfil what Andro had promised with its Revolution. http://www.butterflyonline.com/online_store_productcloseup.asp?page=rubber_all.asptype=3ID=97pg=1SortBy=b.image3displayNum=5frompg=allrubbers (again watch for line breaks in the link). Tenergy is now the material of choice among most of the high-level players in our region. As for myself, I did not totally abandon Revolution, but use it on the backhand side of my second racket which I use when I encounter an opponent in our team-sport series who is even quicker and more offensive in his play than myself - by then slowing down the tempo of the match with a thinner layer of Revolution, thus preserving at least a chance to survive.- Conclusion: Following the example of Butterfly, I would recommend to rename Runtime Revolution to Runtime T-Energy. On the hand this would protect us against unwarranted harassment from the
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
On 08/02/2010 18:45, Jim Kanter wrote: Hmmm Che Garzia. Has a familiar ring to it... Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded in it. Next thing you know we will all have to have micro-chips in our necks so we can be monitored by satellite . . . :( ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
On 08/02/2010 18:58, Neal Campbell wrote: snip While I hated to see my company dragged down into the US Government security facade of the past administration (sri for the political rant there), it wasn't what the press made it out to be. And are we to suppose the current administration is really any different? In Britain, every time there is an election the 'out' party criticises all sorts of measures/laws/decrees introduced by the 'in' party. However, if the 'out' party gets 'in' they almost never repeal any of those measures they previously criticised. No matter who you vote for the government always gets in. Bonzo Dog DooDah Band. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Explosive rubbers sound more like a recipe for the underwear bomber. --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.de wrote: Sounds like a recipe for a shoe-bomber. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Generic Invisibility Handler
(Moderator Note: My previous post from akrev...@gmail.com should be ignored or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm very sorry.) Hello, I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for this software within a week. Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming a fairly large database application has really been fun (no sarcasm intended). But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest problem. I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and invisible depending on the user-state of the application (updating a record, adding a record, viewing a record). I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end hideObject on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end showObject Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so much in advance for your replies! Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP .NET), Andrew K. RJD Farm LLC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
Andrew, Welcome to the Revolution. You almost have it. Set the visible of object to true to make it visible Set the visible of object to false to make it invisible Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: (Moderator Note: My previous post from akrev...@gmail.com should be ignored or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm very sorry.) Hello, I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for this software within a week. Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming a fairly large database application has really been fun (no sarcasm intended). But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest problem. I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and invisible depending on the user-state of the application (updating a record, adding a record, viewing a record). I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end hideObject on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end showObject Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so much in advance for your replies! Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP .NET), Andrew K. RJD Farm LLC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
You can always use: show pObjectName and hide pObjectName :D On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote: Andrew, Welcome to the Revolution. You almost have it. Set the visible of object to true to make it visible Set the visible of object to false to make it invisible Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: (Moderator Note: My previous post from akrev...@gmail.com should be ignored or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm very sorry.) Hello, I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for this software within a week. Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming a fairly large database application has really been fun (no sarcasm intended). But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest problem. I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and invisible depending on the user-state of the application (updating a record, adding a record, viewing a record). I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end hideObject on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end showObject Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so much in advance for your replies! Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP .NET), Andrew K. RJD Farm LLC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
That's what they WANT you to think. ;-) But seriously, security breaches happen not by way of the measures in place, but by some breakdown in the same measures. Once the information is there, it is always going to be a temptation for interested parties to get their hands on it. All that said, the situation is no different that it already is everywhere else these days. Besides, if they fear a revolution, they are right where we want them. :-) Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Neal Campbell wrote: Thirdly, the process is incredibly controlled. The government has to give specific transactions they want to see (in other words, no fishing expeditions, they have to know what they want to see in advance), they can only see the transactions (no copies) and the whole process is limited to 3 people (a SWIFT representative, an external independent security auditor and the Treasury representative). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
When they want to imbed it into your right hand or forehead, THAT is the time to run for the hills. :-) Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded in it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
To toggle from hidden to visible use: set the visible of fld 1 to not the visible of fld 1 --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Andrew Kluthe and...@rjdfarm.com wrote: From: Andrew Kluthe and...@rjdfarm.com Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 11:14 AM (Moderator Note: My previous post from akrev...@gmail.com should be ignored or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm very sorry.) Hello, I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for this software within a week. Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming a fairly large database application has really been fun (no sarcasm intended). But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest problem. I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and invisible depending on the user-state of the application (updating a record, adding a record, viewing a record). I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end hideObject on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end showObject Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so much in advance for your replies! Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP .NET), Andrew K. RJD Farm LLC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Andre's house - Bill's house [OT]
On 2/8/10 8:31 AM, william humphrey wrote: Andre It is always between 72 and 85 degrees F up here in the rainforest. But the humidity is often 100%. I have to store all data on hard drives (music CD's and movie DVD's don't last) and keep them warm. Not complaining. I love it here. Anytime you want to come to our bed and breakfast and stay for free you are welcome ( http://www.rainforestinn.com ). That invitation is, of course, open to all you other RunRev programmers who have many magnitudes of ability greater than I. Bill WOW! Thanks Bill. So... RevCon 2011 at your place? ;-) -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Option Menu Specifics
Hello again! I am having difficulty figuring out how to script some specifics into option menus. My option menu is populated on preOpenCard and everything lists smoothly. When set to view, this card displays a LandOwner's Name in a disabled text field. When the cards status is set to update, it shows a list of names pulled from a table in a mySQL db, in alphabetical order. However, the current record being worked with was loaded on a previous card and the information was put into a set of global variables. gLandOwnerContact (the current record's landowner name). I want the default selection for the option menu to be the same as gLandOwnerContact. But when clicked, I still want it to display a full list of the names. I am just beginning in Revolution. I have modified column and row behaviors in DataGrids (to change cards on doubleUp), but never overridden any other controls functionality. I am thinking this is what is going to take to implement the above. Can someone point me on the right path or help me hash out the appropriate logic for this? Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Andrew K. RJD Farm LLC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
There are two ways to make a variable visible to a command or function. First, you can declare the variable as a global or script local. A global variable is one that is available to any handler that declares it, or optionally, to any script that declares it outside any handlers: on doSomething global myValue end doSomething on doSomethingElse global myValue end doSomethingElse The second way is to pass the value to the command or function: on doAnotherthing myValue -- some commands end doAnotherthing The globals or script locals are persistent while Revolution is running. The parameter is NOT persistent, in that as soon as doAnotherThing terminates, myValue is destroyed. You could make it a function: function doYetAnotherThing myValue -- do things that change myValue return myValue end doYetAnotherThing and then preserve myValue by putting the result of the function back into myValue: put doYetAnotherThing(myValue) into myValue Seems silly, but there you have it. The better way to do this without using a function is by declaring the parameter using the @ keyword (keychar??): on doOneLastThing @myValue -- some commands that change myValue end doOneLastThing in which case myValue will not be destroyed when doOneLastThing terminates, because the command was passed to the function as a variable and not the value. The calling program will see the change in myValue. That about sums it up. Globals and Script Locals are for persistence while Revolution is running. They are visible to whatever declares then, including ALL handlers in a script that declares it outside of any handler like so: local myValue -- or global if you want it to be visible by ALL handlers -- in ALL scripts in your stack or application on okayThisLastThing -- do something to the most used variable ever end okayThisLastThing Parameters are for passing values that get destroyed when the command or function terminates. Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so much in advance for your replies! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
I am going to try this more elegant approach. I knew I should have dictionaried hide when it came up as yellow in my script editor. Thank you for your speedy help! -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Generic-Invisibility-Handler-tp1473182p1473253.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
Andrew- Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:14:47 AM, you wrote: I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end hideObject on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end showObject In addition to the other suggestions offered, I'd also like to add that if you're dealing with screen objects (buttons, fields, etc) then you probably don't need the pObjectType argument: on ShowHideObject pObjectName, pVisible set the visible of control pObjectName to pVisible end ShowHideObject -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
Andrew- Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:14:47 AM, you wrote: I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for this software within a week. ...and having done some farm management software in rev before, I'm of course quite interested in your project. Do keep us in the loop. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Option Menu Specifics
I think you need to use a combination of FindIndex and dgHilitedIndex like so: dispatch findIndex to group myDataGrid with myColumnName, mySearchString put the result into myValue set the dgHilitedIndex of group myDataGrid to myValue Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: Hello again! I am having difficulty figuring out how to script some specifics into option menus. My option menu is populated on preOpenCard and everything lists smoothly. When set to view, this card displays a LandOwner's Name in a disabled text field. When the cards status is set to update, it shows a list of names pulled from a table in a mySQL db, in alphabetical order. However, the current record being worked with was loaded on a previous card and the information was put into a set of global variables. gLandOwnerContact (the current record's landowner name). I want the default selection for the option menu to be the same as gLandOwnerContact. But when clicked, I still want it to display a full list of the names. I am just beginning in Revolution. I have modified column and row behaviors in DataGrids (to change cards on doubleUp), but never overridden any other controls functionality. I am thinking this is what is going to take to implement the above. Can someone point me on the right path or help me hash out the appropriate logic for this? Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Andrew K. RJD Farm LLC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
Thanks Mark! This list is so helpful! I don't know why I didn't use it before when trying to guess revTalk code and searching through the forums. We are a grain farm company in central Illinois and my predecessor built a farm management app in ASP .NET using Ironspeed Developer. Maintaining his code and adding additional functionality has been a nightmare, so when challenged by my supervisor to explore writing Iphone apps I came across RunRev. So far in a matter of days, I have just about wrote a client app for the Lease Management part of our current web app. I am very impressed with revolutions capabilities for quick development. We intend to use this software for managing leases on land and machinery, putting out/tracking work orders in the field, asset management, FSA material management, Inventory, Repair orders, Loan payments, etc. I am beginning a complete rewrite of our current web app into Rev. A daunting task at the moment, but somehow easier than I imagined (the already heavily populated database does most of the work). This is my second full week developing in Rev. The first week was spent writing database handlers. This week I am going to figure out how to manipulate alot of the controls I need via scripting. I am troubled by the lack of books out there on the subject, and am looking to increase my skill set as quickly as possible. Thank you all for your speedy responses. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Generic-Invisibility-Handler-tp1473182p1473290.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Option Menu Specifics
Sorry for not clarifying. I am not trying to work within a datagrid this time. I do not understand how to modify the behaviors of controls other than the datagrid. There isn't a button in the property inspector for modifying behaviors of an option menu. I have read the lessons on behaviors and am still lacking a real understanding of where to find the code for handling the functionality of the option menu. here is the logic which I had in mind. Load gLandownerContact into the text of optionMenu on optionMenu's MouseUp (down, whatev), Load a the full list from DB. Alternatively, Being able to modify the choices of the option menu to place the current gLandOwnerContact at the top of the list would solve my problem as well. load a full list from the DB put CurrentChoice (= gLandOwnerContact) at the top of choice list, or at least the default seclected option. Whichever solution is easier or more robust would suit me. Although, I would like to learn about the behavior override thing. The lessons seemed too vague to me. http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/tags?tag=Behavior -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Option-Menu-Specifics-tp1473235p1473299.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
Andrew, screw the elegence. Try this: Make 3 flds: fld uno -- just to test visibility fld dos -- just to test visibility --- fld visibility In fld visibility put the following text: This is fld visibility record_update, show fld uno record_update, show fld dos - record_change, hide fld uno record_change, hide fld dos --- --- finished with fld visibility --- This fld holds your list of all the actions that will trigger some visibility change -- this is a handy item to have around anyway, and easy to change. Now for a couple of btns: btn record_update has the following script: on mouseUp put fld visibility into v filter v with *update* -- chooses all the update lines set the itemDelimiter to comma repeat for each line cur_line in v do item 2 of cur_line -- performs the show or the hide end repeat end mouseUp btn record_change has the following script: on mouseUp put fld visibility into v filter v with *change* set the itemDelimiter to comma repeat for each line cur_line in v do item 2 of cur_line end repeat end mouseUp -- when an update or a change occurs then send a mouseUp to the correct btn --- Now you have a nice list of actions that you can change easily. You also have some btns to click on to simulate a record_change or a record_update. When everything is working o.k. you can hide the btns and the fld. Just as a warning. I'm probably the worst programmer who frequents this forum. So you might want to heed the experts. Good luck on your project. I checked out your website and it looks great. Mike --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Andrew Kluthe and...@rjdfarm.com wrote: From: Andrew Kluthe and...@rjdfarm.com Subject: Generic Invisibility Handler To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 11:14 AM (Moderator Note: My previous post from akrev...@gmail.com should be ignored or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm very sorry.) Hello, I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for this software within a week. Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming a fairly large database application has really been fun (no sarcasm intended). But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest problem. I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and invisible depending on the user-state of the application (updating a record, adding a record, viewing a record). I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end hideObject on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end showObject Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so much in advance for your replies! Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP .NET), Andrew K. RJD Farm LLC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Thanks for this heads-up, Wilhelm, as our government typically doesn't inform us as to its evil deeds :-( Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: First the bad news: The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of money transfer inside the European Union and between Europe and the rest of the world. The European Parliament in its majority was against this treaty, but under the old law (until Dec 1, 2009) could not participate in that decision and now, however, might repeal it in the near future. The European representatives are presently under great pressure from the side of U.S-lobbyists, as the press reports. The possibility to collect and screen financial and personal data has far-reaching consequences not only for industrial espionage, but also for individuals. I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I would renew my license for Revolution (happily I have done that already) or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. Runtime Revolution might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially aggressive kind of revolution.- Now a bit of good news: Andro, the manufacturer and provider of table-tennis equipment has produced a new rubber called Revolution and Revolution Quad with its varieties 420, 450, and 480 (watch for line breaks in the link). http://www.tabletennisdb.com/table-tennis-rubber.php?id=andro-revolution-quad-420 The idea of the new material is to increase speed and spin, while at the same time maintain a high degree of control, a problem that is difficult to resolve because usually when increasing speed you loose control. Unfortunately, this new product - at first tried out widely in the table-tennis community - did not live up to the promises of Andro and the expectations of the users, which especially can happen when you choose such ambitious names like Revolution that have rather to be understood as an intended goal (to be reached somewhere in the future) than an already overall perfect and innovative tool. Happily Butterfly, the Japanese manufacturer with a long tradition of high-quality products, stepped in here. I myself had started my career with the legendary English Barna rubber (comparable to the Basic of programming languages), and then for a long time of my development used Butterfly Sriver and SuperSriver. Now Butterfly has presented the new tenergy rubber in several varieties that indeed seems to fulfil what Andro had promised with its Revolution. http://www.butterflyonline.com/online_store_productcloseup.asp?page=rubber_all.asptype=3ID=97pg=1SortBy=b.image3displayNum=5frompg=allrubbers (again watch for line breaks in the link). Tenergy is now the material of choice among most of the high-level players in our region. As for myself, I did not totally abandon Revolution, but use it on the backhand side of my second racket which I use when I encounter an opponent in our team-sport series who is even quicker and more offensive in his play than myself - by then slowing down the tempo of the match with a thinner layer of Revolution, thus preserving at least a chance to survive.- Conclusion: Following the example of Butterfly, I would recommend to rename Runtime Revolution to Runtime T-Energy. On the hand this would protect us against unwarranted harassment from the side of the CIA, on the other hand it would preserve the notion of a product that is strong, potentially reliable, and even innovative. Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Wilhelm, Do you have a nice, tidy URL for this? I'd love to rebroadcast... In appreciation, Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: First the bad news: The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of money transfer inside the European Union and between Europe and the rest of the world. The European Parliament in its majority was against this treaty, but under the old law (until Dec 1, 2009) could not participate in that decision and now, however, might repeal it in the near future. The European representatives are presently under great pressure from the side of U.S-lobbyists, as the press reports. The possibility to collect and screen financial and personal data has far-reaching consequences not only for industrial espionage, but also for individuals. I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I would renew my license for Revolution (happily I have done that already) or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. Runtime Revolution might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially aggressive kind of revolution.- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
How about apple-pie and puppy dog development for the rest of us? Oh,... right... the rest of us is probably subsersive-speak as far as the CIA is concerned :-/ Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Kay C Lan wrote: On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.dewrote: Conclusion: Following the example of Butterfly, I would recommend to rename Runtime Revolution to Runtime T-Energy. Well, just as long as the promo doesn't include: the fastest most explosive rubbers in our line all without the use of any speed-glues From where I come from, that just doesn't read right X-| ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Did you really miss the part in which it was recently revealed that the FBI obtained, in contravention to US law, telco information on people by simply posting POST-IT NOTES ON TELCO WORKERS WORKSTATIONS?!!! I am S not exaggerating. :-( Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Neal Campbell wrote: Believe it or not, I was in charge of Security Compliance at SWIFT before I retired 3 years ago and I can promise you that you can sleep comfortably without any worries of the Big Bad US Government spying on your money transactions. First of all, the money has to flow thru SWIFT's network, which means its a bank-to-bank transfer (not things like Visa or cash machine stuff). Secondly, even though I was in charge of security compliance I didn't know anything about the program until it was announced by the NY Times, thats how well controlled and limited it was managed. Thirdly, the process is incredibly controlled. The government has to give specific transactions they want to see (in other words, no fishing expeditions, they have to know what they want to see in advance), they can only see the transactions (no copies) and the whole process is limited to 3 people (a SWIFT representative, an external independent security auditor and the Treasury representative). In the time period that was reported in the news, I think they saw a total of 6 transactions out of the 2+ million sent thru the SWIFT network every day. While I hated to see my company dragged down into the US Government security facade of the past administration (sri for the political rant there), it wasn't what the press made it out to be. 73 Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.dewrote: First the bad news: The European Commission has signed the Swift-Treaty with the U.S.A. that entitles American authorities to monitor any kind of money transfer inside the European Union and between Europe and the rest of the world. The European Parliament in its majority was against this treaty, but under the old law (until Dec 1, 2009) could not participate in that decision and now, however, might repeal it in the near future. The European representatives are presently under great pressure from the side of U.S-lobbyists, as the press reports. The possibility to collect and screen financial and personal data has far-reaching consequences not only for industrial espionage, but also for individuals. I could, for example, get into trouble on my next visit to the U.S.if I would renew my license for Revolution (happily I have done that already) or buy some add-ons out of the Revolution mega bundle. Runtime Revolution might be even worse as it suggests an immediate threat and an especially aggressive kind of revolution.- Now a bit of good news: Andro, the manufacturer and provider of table-tennis equipment has produced a new rubber called Revolution and Revolution Quad with its varieties 420, 450, and 480 (watch for line breaks in the link). http://www.tabletennisdb.com/table-tennis-rubber.php?id=andro-revolution-quad-420 The idea of the new material is to increase speed and spin, while at the same time maintain a high degree of control, a problem that is difficult to resolve because usually when increasing speed you loose control. Unfortunately, this new product - at first tried out widely in the table-tennis community - did not live up to the promises of Andro and the expectations of the users, which especially can happen when you choose such ambitious names like Revolution that have rather to be understood as an intended goal (to be reached somewhere in the future) than an already overall perfect and innovative tool. Happily Butterfly, the Japanese manufacturer with a long tradition of high-quality products, stepped in here. I myself had started my career with the legendary English Barna rubber (comparable to the Basic of programming languages), and then for a long time of my development used Butterfly Sriver and SuperSriver. Now Butterfly has presented the new tenergy rubber in several varieties that indeed seems to fulfil what Andro had promised with its Revolution. http://www.butterflyonline.com/online_store_productcloseup.asp?page=rubber_all.asptype=3ID=97pg=1SortBy=b.image3displayNum=5frompg=allrubbers (again watch for line breaks in the link). Tenergy is now the material of choice among most of the high-level players in our region. As for myself, I did not totally abandon Revolution, but use it on the backhand side of my second racket which I use when I encounter an opponent in our team-sport series who is even quicker and more offensive in his play than myself - by then slowing down the tempo of the match with a thinner layer of
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Judy, http://qurl.tk/4k (but I believe that this is a cheesy subject and cheese is not to be discussed) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Try the new URL shortening service http://qurl.tk Op 8 feb 2010, om 19:29 heeft Judy Perry het volgende geschreven: Wilhelm, Do you have a nice, tidy URL for this? I'd love to rebroadcast... In appreciation, Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
The Brits beat us to it on that one; it's a UK requirement AFAIK to have the biometric chip. But I'm reasonably certain that the US is rather enthusiastically jumping down that same stupid rabbit-hole. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 08/02/2010 18:45, Jim Kanter wrote: Hmmm Che Garzia. Has a familiar ring to it... Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded in it. Next thing you know we will all have to have micro-chips in our necks so we can be monitored by satellite . . . :( ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Damn! Stop trying to circumvent the Darwin Awards!! Don't give them any ideas :-P Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Michael Kann wrote: Explosive rubbers sound more like a recipe for the underwear bomber. --- On Mon, 2/8/10, Wilhelm Sanke sa...@hrz.uni-kassel.de wrote: Sounds like a recipe for a shoe-bomber. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
Which, at least as of 5 or 6 years ago, I was assured did NOT work in Lingo/Director :-P Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Andre Garzia wrote: You can always use: show pObjectName and hide pObjectName :D On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Bill Vlahos bvla...@mac.com wrote: Andrew, Welcome to the Revolution. You almost have it. Set the visible of object to true to make it visible Set the visible of object to false to make it invisible Bill Vlahos _ InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure. On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Andrew Kluthe wrote: (Moderator Note: My previous post from akrev...@gmail.com should be ignored or deleted. I mistakenly sent it from the wrong email. I'm very sorry.) Hello, I recently convinced my company to let me re-write our farm management software in RunRev. Part of my proposal for this was developing a module for this software within a week. Going from zero RevTalk/Revolution knowledge to programming a fairly large database application has really been fun (no sarcasm intended). But syntax (or lack thereof?) seems to be my biggest problem. I have a lot of controls that need to be made visible and invisible depending on the user-state of the application (updating a record, adding a record, viewing a record). I'm unsure how to use parameters with handlers in this one liner. on hideObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end hideObject on showObject pObjectType, pObjectName set the invisible of pObjectType pObjectName to true end showObject Any suggestions on helping this RevNub get this sorted out? In your response, try to include how the params are used in handlers. Thank you so much in advance for your replies! Hoping Rev can make my job easier (I am very tired of ASP .NET), Andrew K. RJD Farm LLC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
I'm already running... that crap is coming, believe it. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Bob Sneidar wrote: When they want to imbed it into your right hand or forehead, THAT is the time to run for the hills. :-) Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded in it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Option Menu Specifics
Andrew- Monday, February 8, 2010, 10:26:11 AM, you wrote: here is the logic which I had in mind. Load gLandownerContact into the text of optionMenu on optionMenu's MouseUp (down, whatev), Load a the full list from DB. you might try something like put lineOffset(gLandOwnerContact, tFullList) into tIndex put tFullList into button btnOptionMenu lock messages -- don't trigger the menuPick event yet set the menuHistory of button btnOptionMenu to tIndex unlock messages -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Mark, I saw no mention of cheese... it would be an indignity to the cheese. I would apologize to the cheese. All hail the cheese. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Mark Schonewille wrote: Judy, http://qurl.tk/4k (but I believe that this is a cheesy subject and cheese is not to be discussed) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer Try the new URL shortening service http://qurl.tk Op 8 feb 2010, om 19:29 heeft Judy Perry het volgende geschreven: Wilhelm, Do you have a nice, tidy URL for this? I'd love to rebroadcast... In appreciation, Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Andrew Kluthe and...@rjdfarm.com wrote: I am troubled by the lack of books out there on the subject, and am looking to increase my skill set as quickly as possible. Thank you all for your speedy responses. Andrew, I think maybe you have not realised that there is a 400 page User Manual included with your installation as a PDF file. From the IDE top menu choose 'Resource Center'. Once that is launched choose 'User Guide' from the left menu of that stack. After that click on the 'Launch PDF' button in the bottom right hand corner. I would think that is the first place to start learning Rev. When I first started out with Revolution I bought a couple of old books on Hypercard (the precursor of Rev). I wouldn't think they provide any benefit these days, and would be almost impossible to find anyway. So, don't let it worry you that there are no 3rd party books on Rev. I'd say that they're not needed and the old books are probably as much of a hindrance as a help. When I started out learning Apple's WebObjects I bought every single book on it, and even after reading them all multiple times, it was only after years of working with it that I finally grasped how to properly use it all. I could say the same for many other technologies, where often it's necessary to have a 800 page book just to find out how to use the IDE (I'm looking at you, Eclipse). In addition to the User Guide, it may also pay dividends to buy the DVD of the 2009 conference: https://secure.runrev.com/store/browse/?product=RVSLRVLV09DVD I haven't seen the above myself yet, so I can't verify that the audio-visual quality is suitable for learning details. Until we hear about the quality of the DVDs from someone else, you could browse the newsletter archive: http://www.runrev.com/developers/resources/newsletters/ I've learned things from those newsletters that I would never have dreamed were possible. You might also want to look at the scripting conferences: http://www.runrev.com/developers/lessons-and-tutorials/tutorials/online-scripting-conferences/ Those conferences were the inspiration and hard work of some of the gifted people who provide us with help on this list and in the forum. You've already discovered the forum, and this list. When I started out with Rev 8 years ago, we had none of the above, just this list! And of course, there is the Nabble archive of this list. I find that with most things I can find the answer a) in the dictionary or b) by searching this list. I think there are many, many great resources for learning Rev. I might carp on about some deficiencies in Rev myself, but I have to applaud the efforts RunRev have gone to when it comes to providing information and training material. Hope that helps you beyond this immediate problem that everyone else is helping you with. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Its a US requirement and the deadline set by the Bush administration was years ago but many (most?) countries cannot afford to do it. I never figured out how they thought that if you were smart enough to do these horrible things you would have a real chip in your passport. This stuff is like squeezing a balloon as when you press in one area it pops out in a different one. Unfortunately though the world runs on money and all the money goes thru SWIFT. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Judy Perry jper...@ecs.fullerton.eduwrote: The Brits beat us to it on that one; it's a UK requirement AFAIK to have the biometric chip. But I'm reasonably certain that the US is rather enthusiastically jumping down that same stupid rabbit-hole. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 08/02/2010 18:45, Jim Kanter wrote: Hmmm Che Garzia. Has a familiar ring to it... Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded in it. Next thing you know we will all have to have micro-chips in our necks so we can be monitored by satellite . . . :( ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality
I recommended the DVDs to a new user on this list. However, I don't really know about the AV quality of the recorded conference. I remember that one of the previous conferences had imperfect AV quality (I think it was illegibility of the recording of the code on the OHP that was the problem). Are code samples in the 2009 conference legible? How about the audio (the QA session is usually the point where that fails in such recordings). Thanks, Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality
Bernard- Monday, February 8, 2010, 10:56:18 AM, you wrote: Are code samples in the 2009 conference legible? How about the audio (the QA session is usually the point where that fails in such recordings). Dunno. Still waiting on mine. Maybe they didn't get the US-approved biometric chips to let them in the country... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
I stand corrected then, tho' I think they were the first to actually implement it (damn, gotta get a passport just in case I need to leave the country suddenly in the middle of the night; god only knows that I've already been detained at internal border checkpoints because my native white college-educated English wasn't good enough -- I'm NOT kidding). Why am I not surprised? Here's a funny (not) story about biometrics and security that I used to have my students read: Some rich dude here in the US bought a Mercedes that used biometric data to unlock the vehicle. Pretty smart, eh? Yeah, well, that just breeds smarter criminals who, in deciding to carjack that particular vehicle, simply cut off the verification digit of the car's owner. Welcome to Security Theatre. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Neal Campbell wrote: Its a US requirement and the deadline set by the Bush administration was years ago but many (most?) countries cannot afford to do it. I never figured out how they thought that if you were smart enough to do these horrible things you would have a real chip in your passport. This stuff is like squeezing a balloon as when you press in one area it pops out in a different one. Unfortunately though the world runs on money and all the money goes thru SWIFT. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Judy Perry jper...@ecs.fullerton.eduwrote: The Brits beat us to it on that one; it's a UK requirement AFAIK to have the biometric chip. But I'm reasonably certain that the US is rather enthusiastically jumping down that same stupid rabbit-hole. Judy On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: On 08/02/2010 18:45, Jim Kanter wrote: Hmmm Che Garzia. Has a familiar ring to it... Time to buy a beret and head for the hills. Personally I am cheesed-off that my current British passport will not let me into the USA because it does not have a CHIP with all sorts of 'I don't know what information' embedded in it. Next thing you know we will all have to have micro-chips in our necks so we can be monitored by satellite . . . :( ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Option Menu Specifics
Andrew Kluthe wrote: Sorry for not clarifying. I am not trying to work within a datagrid this time. I do not understand how to modify the behaviors of controls other than the datagrid. There isn't a button in the property inspector for modifying behaviors of an option menu. I have read the lessons on behaviors and am still lacking a real understanding of where to find the code for handling the functionality of the option menu. here is the logic which I had in mind. Load gLandownerContact into the text of optionMenu on optionMenu's MouseUp (down, whatev), Load a the full list from DB. Use Mark Weider's suggestion, it will work fine. I just wanted to mention that for a single button instance like this, you don't need behaviors at all. Behaviors are great when you have a number of controls that need to share a single script, but if you only have one button it is more efficient to have it just use its own script. One basic concept that may help: buttons are containers and they can hold text. If the button is a menu button (as option buttons are) then the text becomes the menu item list. You can populate a button menu simply by putting text into the button, like this: put one cr two cr three into btn myOptionButton This creates a 3-line list, which when put into the button, will pop down those three lines in its menu. Everything else you want to do is just manipulation of the text before you put it into the button contents. If you want a particular line on top, parse your text so it is in the right order. But more typically, Mark's suggestion is the right one. Use the menuHistory property to set the line that will be under the cursor when the button menu displays. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality
I wondered : has anybody received a mail from runrev warning about DVD being ready and sent?? Or is it just a matter of waiting until postman delivers the good?? Hi from France. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/2009-conference-DVD-audio-visual-quality-tp1473352p1473410.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality
I think that at the moment a certain company is behaving a bit badly . . . ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Option Menu Specifics
Between Mark and J's post, I got everything I needed to know. I need to explore string manipulation in rev. I figured that this is where my sorting of these lists would be most handy. Thank you Mark for that wonderful snippet. As a PHP and .NET developer, I am just getting used to Rev and trying to get over the learning curve. You have been much help. Armed with a few more learning resources than I had prior to these posts, I hopefully won't have to bother you with silly things like this. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Option-Menu-Specifics-tp1473235p1473428.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality
Robert Man wrote: I wondered : has anybody received a mail from runrev warning about DVD being ready and sent?? Or is it just a matter of waiting until postman delivers the good?? Hi from France. I think they send an email when it ships. At least, the person I know in California who got theirs received an email. I'm not sure what is taking them so long. It is out of RunRev's hands, the distribution company has had the masters and has been shipping for a month now. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
DataGrid question
I have a DataGrid form where each row acts like a kind of folder. When you click on the row, it expands out to show everything that's underneath it. This works pretty well so far, but I have a basic problem with the scrollbar that I'm hoping is trivial to solve: In the layoutControl message is where I either expand or contract the final rectangle for the template group. However, the DG doesn't seem to understand this. Let's say I have only 1 folder with a large list of items under it. I expand out the folder (the bottom of pControlRect is set to something extending outside the DG group), but the scrollbar for the DG is still grayed out, thinking there no need to scroll. Any ideas? Thanks! Jeff M. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Option Menu Specifics
Andrew Kluthe wrote: As a PHP and .NET developer, I am just getting used to Rev and trying to get over the learning curve. You have been much help. Armed with a few more learning resources than I had prior to these posts, I hopefully won't have to bother you with silly things like this. I've said it before and I'll say it again: please bother us! Any question asked here will help everybody who searches the archives in the future. Let's get everything we can in there. Nothing is too elementary or too basic. As a matter of fact, I think our archives are sadly lacking a lot of the rudimentary info that newcomers are too embarrassed to ask about. So you do it. :) Bother away! -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality
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Re: DataGrid question
On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: In the layoutControl message is where I either expand or contract the final rectangle for the template group. However, the DG doesn't seem to understand this. Let's say I have only 1 folder with a large list of items under it. I expand out the folder (the bottom of pControlRect is set to something extending outside the DG group), but the scrollbar for the DG is still grayed out, thinking there no need to scroll. Do you have the fixed control height property set to false? -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
anyone found a way around 4-5 second latency in read from process?
We have been experimenting with many combinations of syntax variants for open process/read from process to communicate with various command-line driven executables. We are using a callback loop to read from process, and have tried from 1 to 800 milliseconds to try and speed up response. We have tried read from process until lf, until cr, until eof, until empty, etc. Things are working, but there is always about a 4 - 5 second latency in the read from process. Usually this doesn't matter, but in our current project it needs to be within a second or less. So, I am wondering: 1. Is there something we could do to eliminate this delay, some syntax we haven't yet tried? 2. Have other developers noticed this latency in the Rev I/O pipeline? 3. Would writing an Rev external that served as a middleman between Rev and a command-line driven executable eliminate this problem and provide near real time communication? 4. Is there another way to communicate with command-line driven executables (other than shell, which doesn't provide for a callback loop to monitor output) Thanks for any light anyone can shed on this.___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DataGrid question
Yes, I do. Sorry, forgot to mention that. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.comwrote: On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: In the layoutControl message is where I either expand or contract the final rectangle for the template group. However, the DG doesn't seem to understand this. Let's say I have only 1 folder with a large list of items under it. I expand out the folder (the bottom of pControlRect is set to something extending outside the DG group), but the scrollbar for the DG is still grayed out, thinking there no need to scroll. Do you have the fixed control height property set to false? -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DataGrid question
Trevor, if you'd like, I can send you a bare-bones sample app that shows the exact same behavior. Note: the items within the folder to expand out and are visible just fine. Just the DG scrollbar acts as thought they aren't visible and all folders are closed. Jeff M. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Jeff Massung mass...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I do. Sorry, forgot to mention that. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.comwrote: On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: In the layoutControl message is where I either expand or contract the final rectangle for the template group. However, the DG doesn't seem to understand this. Let's say I have only 1 folder with a large list of items under it. I expand out the folder (the bottom of pControlRect is set to something extending outside the DG group), but the scrollbar for the DG is still grayed out, thinking there no need to scroll. Do you have the fixed control height property set to false? -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality
Jacque- Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:04:04 PM, you wrote: I'm not sure what is taking them so long. It is out of RunRev's hands, the distribution company has had the masters and has been shipping for a month now. I ordered a prerelease CD from a certain British band a few months ago and the release go delayed several times because of problems with the Czech manufacturing plant. I got four or five apologetic emails from the band during the process, so I knew what was up and wasn't worried about it. (The cd, Djin by Queenadreena, was quite worth the wait...) -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Option Menu Specifics
Bother away! Indeed! I'll also add that I think this list is the best resource there is for getting rev information. The archives are available at gmane and nabble and a few other places and searchable with the right tools. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality
I think someone executed the following command in the message box: set the vis of obj dvdSet2009 to false They have not made it to the US Mid-South yet. Ed On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:04:04 PM, you wrote: I'm not sure what is taking them so long. It is out of RunRev's hands, the distribution company has had the masters and has been shipping for a month now. I ordered a prerelease CD from a certain British band a few months ago and the release go delayed several times because of problems with the Czech manufacturing plant. I got four or five apologetic emails from the band during the process, so I knew what was up and wasn't worried about it. (The cd, Djin by Queenadreena, was quite worth the wait...) -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality
I haven't been following this thread, but just thought I'd note: I'm in Austin, TX and received mine several weeks ago (still haven't opened it yet). Jeff M. On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Edward D Lavieri Jr ed...@mac.com wrote: I think someone executed the following command in the message box: set the vis of obj dvdSet2009 to false They have not made it to the US Mid-South yet. Ed On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Monday, February 8, 2010, 12:04:04 PM, you wrote: I'm not sure what is taking them so long. It is out of RunRev's hands, the distribution company has had the masters and has been shipping for a month now. I ordered a prerelease CD from a certain British band a few months ago and the release go delayed several times because of problems with the Czech manufacturing plant. I got four or five apologetic emails from the band during the process, so I knew what was up and wasn't worried about it. (The cd, Djin by Queenadreena, was quite worth the wait...) -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Judy, if you haven't seen it take a look at the BBC series The Last Enemy. It was on PBS under their Masterpiece Classic program, but you can see all about it at http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/lastenemy/welcome.shtmlI think it was produced around the time national identity cards were being considered in the UK, and is another one of those great British conspiracy series.If you like such things, there's also the classic House of Cards trilogy which is really a modern day Macbeth in both plot and acting. Brilliant !! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098825/usercommentsbest, Bob... The Brits beat us to it on that one; it's a UK requirement AFAIK to have the biometric chip. But I'm reasonably certain that the US is rather enthusiastically jumping down that same stupid rabbit-hole. Judy Robert J. Earp - Ashford Technologies Inc.White Rock, BC. Canada _ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Completely OT - Winter Olympic events link
If any of you are coming to my great province for the winter olympics, you may like to bookmark this link which is getting 5 stars. http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?hl=enie=UTF8msa=0msid=109677566226637280175.00047d77960b85a1c664dsource=embedll=49.288187,-123.115883spn=0.06886,0.151749 You'll have to scroll a way north to see the Whistler events. best, Bob... Robert J. Earp - Ashford Technologies Inc.White Rock, BC. Canada _ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality
Well regarding msg of those who are upset by the delay, ok this is long.. but many of us who work individually or in a small company can figure out what it is to loose a major partner, marketing manager, and friend.. within a very ambitious period.. I tend to think we can also be grateful for what we already have and for what is cooking up.. and there is not such thing as perfection either .. I just do hope another talent will step in and join the reunrev team and its leader. it can be very lonely at the head of a little business, and that is no good for us! Robert -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/2009-conference-DVD-audio-visual-quality-tp1473352p1473566.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DataGrid question
On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: Yes, I do. Sorry, forgot to mention that. I just uploaded some updates to the manual that may prove helpful. The first lesson has an example stack that goes along with it. The key when updating a rows data and redrawing the Data Grid after expanding/contracting a row is to use SetDataOfIndex/Line and RefreshIndex/Line. RefreshIndex was not documented but I've just added it. Take a look and let me know if the tips help. How Do I Create Rows That Can Expand/Contract?: http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/9850-How-Do-I-Create-Rows-That-Can-Expand-Contract- How Can I Speed Up Drawing When fixed row height is False?: http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/manuals/datagrid/lessons/9852-How-Can-I-Speed-Up-Drawing-When-fixed-row-height-is-False- -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: anyone found a way around 4-5 second latency in read from process?
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Josh Mellicker j...@dvcreators.net wrote: We have been experimenting with many combinations of syntax variants for open process/read from process to communicate with various command-line driven executables. We are using a callback loop to read from process, and have tried from 1 to 800 milliseconds to try and speed up response. We have tried read from process until lf, until cr, until eof, until empty, etc. Things are working, but there is always about a 4 - 5 second latency in the read from process. Usually this doesn't matter, but in our current project it needs to be within a second or less. So, I am wondering: 1. Is there something we could do to eliminate this delay, some syntax we haven't yet tried? 2. Have other developers noticed this latency in the Rev I/O pipeline? 3. Would writing an Rev external that served as a middleman between Rev and a command-line driven executable eliminate this problem and provide near real time communication? 4. Is there another way to communicate with command-line driven executables (other than shell, which doesn't provide for a callback loop to monitor output) I use shell with the output piped to a text file that I can monitor. Here is an example script that I use for pinging: function checkPing pIP put specialFolderPath(Desktop) /ping.txt into tFileName if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName put ping -c1 -npIP into tShellCmd put tFileName 21 after tShellCmd get shell(tShellCmd) put 0 into timeCheck repeat 50 times add 1 to timeCheck wait 1 tick with messages if there is a file tFileName then put URL (file: tFileName) into tRes if tRes is empty then next repeat -- file created but no result yet put wordOffset(loss, tRes) into tWord if tWord = 0 then next repeat -- file created but result not complete -- if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName put word tWord-2 of tRes into tPercent if tPercent = 0% then return true else return false end if end repeat if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName return false end checkPing Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Generic Invisibility Handler
I am troubled by the lack of books out there on the subject, and am looking to increase my skill set as quickly as possible. Thank you all for your speedy responses. We did have one person who tried to do a book, but the product is evolving so fast that the life cycle of a book just can't keep up. But as Bernard says, the scripting conferences, newsletters this list are the best resource. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Richmond- Monday, February 8, 2010, 9:06:55 AM, you wrote: No matter who you vote for the government always gets in. Bonzo Dog DooDah Band. g Thanks for that... it's been a long time. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Problems with a standalone for Linux
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Andre.Bisseret andre.bisse...@inria.fr wrote: Bonjour, I have an app. that I saved as standalones for the three platforms (Mac, Windows and Linux). A first stack is launched which includes the engine and 3 buttons, each of which opens an independant stack (say stack1, stack2 and stack3). The 3 buttons have exactly the same script (on mouseUp, they call a same command ouvrirCeStack). They are working well on Mac and Windows ; But one user of Linux reports that only the two first buttons are working normally. The third one does not open the corresponding stack!!! How is that possible ?? Is stack3 correctly built into the standalone? Is the a preOpen.. or open... handler in stack 3 that could be causing an error? Can you build a version which displays the result if there is a problem - that would help work out what the error is? Another problem with this Linux standalone : On stack1 (which open normally) there is a button help which alternatively change the visibile of a field help (shows or hides it) Here again works well on Mac and Windows but, with the Linux standalone, my user says that when he clicks on this button the field help is shown but is immediately hidden, and the stack is closed!! Perhaps he is double-clicking on the button which would show then hide. One way to avoid this is to have the button show the help field, and then a click in the help field itself hides it. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Embedded Flash Player
Hi all. Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? I have a special case situation where someone who recently suffered a minor stroke wants to view one specific flash stream, but his memory is so bad he cannot remember to close the browser window before he switches HDMI inputs, and subsequently, when he switches back, the monitor has dropped the HDMI signal from the computer. I could easily write an app that opened a full screen player and then with a click of the mouse quit the application, but I need to know how to embed the player in Rev. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Embedded Flash Player
Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote: Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? You have to use revBrowser. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: anyone found a way around 4-5 second latency in read from process?
Thanks Sarah! That could be just the ticket for some projects. I wonder if there is any way to designate a pipe in memory, rather than a text file on disk... I fear the constant disk access might disrupt other things going on. I wonder if a generic external could be written for the sole purpose of porting commands from Rev to external executables, and receiving the output... such that you would need to define the type of data when sending the command from Rev... just dreaming here... On Feb 8, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Josh Mellicker j...@dvcreators.net wrote: We have been experimenting with many combinations of syntax variants for open process/read from process to communicate with various command-line driven executables. We are using a callback loop to read from process, and have tried from 1 to 800 milliseconds to try and speed up response. We have tried read from process until lf, until cr, until eof, until empty, etc. Things are working, but there is always about a 4 - 5 second latency in the read from process. Usually this doesn't matter, but in our current project it needs to be within a second or less. So, I am wondering: 1. Is there something we could do to eliminate this delay, some syntax we haven't yet tried? 2. Have other developers noticed this latency in the Rev I/O pipeline? 3. Would writing an Rev external that served as a middleman between Rev and a command-line driven executable eliminate this problem and provide near real time communication? 4. Is there another way to communicate with command-line driven executables (other than shell, which doesn't provide for a callback loop to monitor output) I use shell with the output piped to a text file that I can monitor. Here is an example script that I use for pinging: function checkPing pIP put specialFolderPath(Desktop) /ping.txt into tFileName if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName put ping -c1 -npIP into tShellCmd put tFileName 21 after tShellCmd get shell(tShellCmd) put 0 into timeCheck repeat 50 times add 1 to timeCheck wait 1 tick with messages if there is a file tFileName then put URL (file: tFileName) into tRes if tRes is empty then next repeat -- file created but no result yet put wordOffset(loss, tRes) into tWord if tWord = 0 then next repeat -- file created but result not complete -- if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName put word tWord-2 of tRes into tPercent if tPercent = 0% then return true else return false end if end repeat if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName return false end checkPing Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Words Indexing strategies
Hi all, Some time ago, i posted a message asking for volunteers to create a Wikipedia CD/DVD. Since then, i have been working on this project and have done some advances, that will be published as soon they work as expected. Now, i need advice about possible strategies to create a fast and responsive word index for all Wikipedia articles, similar to the capabilities demostrated by google search engine, with suggested search terms and similar words. Notice that to index the article's titles i am not using any database engine in this project. For memory constrains and performance reasons, these are the steps i followed: 1) Wikipedia XML database is divided in multiple small UTF8 text files (each aprox. 1 MB) compressed in .gz format (reduced to 350-250 Kb). I have files numbered from 1 to 06455 for spanish Wikipedia. English Wikipedia runs from 1 to 28750. NOTE: Using such small database files, allows users to read quickly any linked article because the program find, decompress and process a small file. This is fast, even in old computers. 2) Each database part is indexed for article titles and words. 3) These multiple index files are merged into one big UTF8 index text file arranged in alphabetical order. 4) Split the big UTF8 index text file in 28 small UTF8 index text files. That is, a different file for each letter: 1 file for Decimal ASCII 33 to 64: ! to @ 26 files for Decimal ASCII 65 to 90: A to Z 1 file for Decimal ASCII 91 and more... Largest UTF8 index text file is the letter C 5) When users click an article link, program checks for the first letter of clicked link and search article name in the corresponding index. That is: a linked article that starts with G is searched only in the UTF8 Article Index G This works fine 99.9% of time because there are some errors with names of linked articles. Now, i am looking for advice to create an index structure for searching specific words inside article's text. i have been unable to implement a fast search algorithm, using multiple words, similar to Wikipedia's own search engine. Every idea or advice is welcome. Thanks in advance! Alejandro ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Embedded Flash Player
Thanks Scott. I still use your excellent tmAlign btw. I imagine with some work that could be made into a fairly robust geometry manager. So my question then becomes, is there a way in revBrowser to maximize a flash window via script control? Therein lies the difficulty. I've been told that browsers normally prevent this because it is a possible point of exploitation. Someone could theoretically create a full screen transparent window that took you to their web site and launched malware. I was hoping to get past this difficulty with a rev app that launched a native flash player, but that may be too much to hope for. Bob On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:35 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote: Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? You have to use revBrowser. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Embedded Flash Player
Bob, Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? I have created an application(F-ab) embedded a flash player. Visit the web site: http://www.f-ab.net/ F-ab is created by Runtime Revolution 3.0. I developed an external BlendCoffee to display Flash movies in Rev. In Fab, Flash movies are controlled by Transcript. (I haven't updated it one year or more.) Jiro Harada On 2010/02/09, at 8:32, Bob Sneidar wrote: Hi all. Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? I have a special case situation where someone who recently suffered a minor stroke wants to view one specific flash stream, but his memory is so bad he cannot remember to close the browser window before he switches HDMI inputs, and subsequently, when he switches back, the monitor has dropped the HDMI signal from the computer. I could easily write an app that opened a full screen player and then with a click of the mouse quit the application, but I need to know how to embed the player in Rev. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Embedded Flash Player
Hi Jiro. I may actually need the external itself, and I would be willing to pay for it. Please contact me off list about the possibility of working with you on this. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Calvary Chapel CM b...@twft.com On Feb 8, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Jiro Harada wrote: Bob, Has anyone done any work with embedding a flash player in a rev app? I have created an application(F-ab) embedded a flash player. Visit the web site: http://www.f-ab.net/ F-ab is created by Runtime Revolution 3.0. I developed an external BlendCoffee to display Flash movies in Rev. In Fab, Flash movies are controlled by Transcript. (I haven't updated it one year or more.) Jiro Harada ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Embedded Flash Player
Jiro, You have made a great work in this application. :-) Congratulations! Reading the documentation noticed that FLV phone uses a Java Server for communication. How do you run a Java server inside a Rev application? System requirements do not specify which Java version is needed for running this Rev application. Thanks in advance for your answer and keep up your good work! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Embedded-Flash-Player-tp1473718p1473867.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2009 conference DVD - audio/visual quality
Robert, you are right. When we lose a friend and a dearest family member, we begin to reexamine our own life and consider which are our priorities. I remember that when i lost a close familiar, many months past before i get accostumed to the idea that i would not see this familiar again in my life. Miller's family and Bill Marriot's family are in my prayers. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/2009-conference-DVD-audio-visual-quality-tp1473352p1473875.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Option Menu Specifics
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Andrew Kluthe and...@rjdfarm.com wrote: However, the current record being worked with was loaded on a previous card and the information was put into a set of global variables. gLandOwnerContact (the current record's landowner name). Hi Andrew, Welcome to the Revolution. As you've already discovered, you really can do a lot in one week with Revolution. As other's have said, forget about books, ask all the questions you want on this List. I'm going to depart from answering your question but offer some advise. Do a search of the archives for: global vs custom properties. There is even a long thread titled Best Practices using globals vs. custprops? - dated 23 Jun 07. Your mentioning of 'a set of global variables' just strikes me as a perfect scenario of custom properties and custom property sets. As you are just starting out with Rev it may be the perfect opportunity to see if these suit your situation. There is nothing wrong with globals, but as you'll discover on this List, there are some gotchas that can be avoided by using Custom Properties and they really are a much loved feature of Rev. Hate for you to get 3 months down the track and go, Custom Properties???, no body told me about them... I could have.. ;-) HTH ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Can Rev send Fn+F2 signal?
I have a piece of hardware attached to a Lenovo netbook which needs a signal sent to it which would normally be generated by hitting FN+F2. I can no longer attach the original Lenovo keyboard (the unit is disassembled) to generate this signal. Unfortunately, hitting FN+2 on an external USB keyboard does not generate the necessary signal. Not sure why this is, but the manufacturer has verified an external USB keyboard cannot do this job (and there's no PS2 keyboard connector on this netbook). Unfortunately, they have not created a software driver to do this either. Can I somehow do this through Rev? I'm running Windows 7. Thanks. Richard Miller ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Ticket SQLite Solution from RunRev 9
Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the SQLite Ticket solution that Jan Schenkel walked through in his session at RunRev 09? I have the DVD set from the conference but cannot find the solution in any of the resources provided. ** Stewart Lynch CreaTECH Solutions sly...@createchsol.com ** This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual to whom they are addressed and it may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you have received this communication by mistake, please notify us immediately. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Judy Perry jper...@ecs.fullerton.eduwrote: I've already been detained at internal border checkpoints because my native white college-educated English wasn't good enough -- I'm NOT kidding). Why am I not surprised? Oh, that reminds me. I recently took the kids to Australia for a holiday. Now I knew they had Country boarder security but I didn't realise they had country boarder security, no that's not a typo. It's all explained here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Hr5GbRC7Q Of course that doesn't quite compare with the ignominy of the strip search to get on the flight to the US: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km6tGDlYsew ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Not quite [OT]: News about Revolution
Whoops there is a typo, that should be border, not boarder. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Judy Perry jper...@ecs.fullerton.eduwrote: I've already been detained at internal border checkpoints because my native white college-educated English wasn't good enough -- I'm NOT kidding). Why am I not surprised? Oh, that reminds me. I recently took the kids to Australia for a holiday. Now I knew they had Country boarder security but I didn't realise they had country boarder security, no that's not a typo. It's all explained here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Hr5GbRC7Q Of course that doesn't quite compare with the ignominy of the strip search to get on the flight to the US: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km6tGDlYsew ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Getting list of files in a folder
How do I return a list of the files in a given folder on disk along with their full path? Thanks, Mark___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Getting list of files in a folder
How about this? function listFiles pFolderPath set the defaultFolder to pFolderPath put the files into tFiles filter tFiles without .* put empty into tList repeat for each line tFile in tFiles put tFile tab (pFolderPath / tFile) cr after tList end repeat return char 1 to -2 of tList end listFiles Terry... On 9/02/10 4:05 PM, Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com wrote: How do I return a list of the files in a given folder on disk along with their full path? Thanks, Mark___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Getting list of files in a folder
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Mark Swindell mdswind...@cruzio.com wrote: How do I return a list of the files in a given folder on disk along with their full path? Manually :-) Here is a function I wrote that lists files in a folder for you, resetting the defaultFolder when it's got the list. function listFiles pFolder, pGiveFullPath if there is not a folder pFolder then return empty -- get the list of files reset default folder put the defaultFolder into tOldDefault set the defaultFolder to pFolder put the files into tFileList set the defaultFolder to tOldDefault -- filter out OS X's invisible files filter tFileList without .* -- add folder path to file name if required if pGiveFullPath is among the items of true,yes,full then put empty into tFullList if the last char of pFolder / then put / after pFolder repeat for each line L in tFileList put pFolder L cr after tFullList end repeat delete last char of tFullList return tFullList else return tFileList end if end listFiles If you use: put listFiles(tFolder) into fld Files you get tust the file names, but if you use: put listFiles(tFolder, full) into fld Data you will get the full file paths. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
