Re: Relative folder paths

[Bill Vlahos]

Björnke,

That's very helpful.

So you can't really do anything with relative paths. You just have to keep 
redefining what the defaultFolder is.

I can do that.

Thanks,
Bill

On Friday, May 25, 2007, at 07:17PM, "Björnke von Gierke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>On 26 May 2007, at 04:09, Bill Vlahos wrote:
>
>> How would I get a list of files in the "DataFileFolder" and then get a 
>> list of files in the "Preferences" folder?
>
>Assuming your "DataFileFolder" contains your "Preferences" folder, and 
>is the current defaultfolder:
>
>Put the defaultfolder into temp
>set the defaultfolder to temp & "/Preferences"
>put the files
>set the defaultfolder to temp
>put the files
>
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Re: Relative folder paths

[Bill Vlahos]

Richard,

This doesn't seem to do anything useful to me.

How would I get a list of files in the "DataFileFolder" and then get a list of 
files in the "Preferences" folder?

Bill
 
On Friday, May 25, 2007, at 05:17PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Bill Vlahos wrote:
>
> > Lets say I have a folder containing a standalone, Data folder,
> > and Preference folder all at the same level. The defaultFolder
> > would be the folder at the level of the standalone.
> >
> > If I change the defaultFolder to "DataFileFolder" I can then
> > just "put the files into vFilesList" to get a listing of the
> > files. However, this resets the defaultFolder value so I can't
> > get to things in the Preference folder.
> >
> > How would I get a listing of files in the
> > defaultFolder/DataFileFolder?
>
>Just move up one with "../":
>
>   set the directory to "../DataFileFolder/"
>
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Relative folder paths

[Bill Vlahos]

I can't seem to refer to folders via relative paths.

Lets say I have a folder containing a standalone, Data folder, and Preference 
folder all at the same level. The defaultFolder would be the folder at the 
level of the standalone.

If I change the defaultFolder to "DataFileFolder" I can then just "put the 
files into vFilesList" to get a listing of the files. However, this resets the 
defaultFolder value so I can't get to things in the Preference folder.

How would I get a listing of files in the defaultFolder/DataFileFolder?

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos
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Windows DLLs and path

[Bill Vlahos]

I use SSL libraries in my application. For Windows Rev creates a couple of dlls 
that I need to include with my standalone. My application is portable in that 
all the files (executables and data) are in a folder. If the dlls are at the 
same level as the executables then it works fine but clutters the file system 
window with files a user doesn't need to deal with.

I'd like to make a folder at the same level as the executables and put the dlls 
there. However, when I do this they are no longer in the path and don't work.

Is there a way to tell the standalone they are in a subfolder?

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos
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Re: Save stack with different extension

[Bill Vlahos]

That got it but it took me a few times to get it right.

Thanks Chipp.
Bill
 
On Thursday, May 24, 2007, at 07:48PM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>Hi Bill,
>
>Make sure your prefs are set to not add the .rev to your extension.
>When you first SAVE the stack, it will add the extension regardless.
>So after saving, close Rev. Then change the name of your stack to
>whatever you want, then launch Rev and open the stack. Now all saves
>should use the exact same name as the stack which you opened.
>
>best,
>Chipp
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Save stack with different extension

[Bill Vlahos]

I would like to use a stack as my document file that is used by my main stack. 
This "data stack" doesn't have any UI nor do I want the user to open it 
directly.

I would like it to have a unique .extension to identify it as my program not 
Revolution's.

However, whenever I save in (in the IDE so far) it puts a .rev extension on it 
anyway. Eventually my executable will be saving data to it and even renaming it.

How do I keep my extension instead of .rev?

Bill Vlahos
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Re: Decoding a vCard...

[Bill Vlahos]

I have a working vCARD import and export but it isn't in a form I can  
easily post at the moment. It isn't too difficult to do but it is  
tedious. I have it working with the Address Books on both Mac and  
Windows but I have not tried it with any other program that does  
vCARDs yet. Note that Apple uses v3 of the vCARD format while  
Microsoft uses version 2 for XP and earlier (I have not looked at  
Vista's version). Even though Windows uses version 2 it appears to be  
able to import version 3 so that is what I export.


Since vCARDs are just text files it is pretty simple to see how they  
are constructed.


I hope to release a sample stack after I release this new product I'm  
working on but that probably won't happen for a few months.


Andre's stack is pretty elegant and it contains a great reference to  
what the vCARD and vCAL standard formats are.

http://www.soapdog.org/vObjectPackage.rev

Bill Vlahos

On May 20, 2007, at 6:21 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote:


Has anyone created a snippet that will decode a vCard?  I'd like to
selectively transfer certain contacts from Entourage to an in-house
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Re: How do I create an autorun CD for Mac?

[Bill Vlahos]

As others have pointed out autorun is a security problem that Apple  
discontinued long ago.


However you can achieve almost the same thing by setting up the CD to  
open the CD when it is inserted without the user double-clicking it.  
That way your Mac users will see the application right away and  
simply open it. Note that you will want to play with this a bit as  
you are given a number of interesting options to have a graphical  
representation of the file and instructions.


Bill

On May 7, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

Sorry, I don't have any Mac experience and hope Rev cares about the  
most for
me. Yes I still will test my app on a Mac of a friend, but right  
now I am
missing some Mac basics and didn't find anything about it in the  
tutorials.


I want to create a dual platform CD (Win and MacOS X) running the  
app from
CD. Until now I don't use any externals or plugins, so for Win I  
just take

the standalone.exe put it on my CD with an autorun.inf and that's it.

How do I create a autorun CD for Mac? Is there something like a  
autorun.inf

file on Mac?

And what do I have to put on the CD from the standalone building  
folders?

There are 2 files Info.plist and PkgInfo (one folder above the app), 4
Plugins folders with themes and 3 Revolution resource files
(Revolution.icns, Revolution rsrc, RevolutionDoc.icns) Do I just  
have to put
all these files and folders in same structure on CD, or don't I  
need these

additional files?

I would be happy if someone could direct me in the right direction  
or point

me to any tutorial or example

Thank you

Tiemo







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Embedded stacks in Windows

[Bill Vlahos]

I've noticed that under Windows, any included stacks show up as 
separate programs in the Task Manager. Is there a way to prevent this? 
My program should only appear as a single application to my users.


Bill Vlahos

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Re: How to tell when last stack closed

[Bill Vlahos]

Neat solution. It works.

Thanks.
Bill Vlahos

On Feb 20, 2007, at 9:56 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Bill Vlahos wrote:
I have a standalone which launches one or more stacks but then 
disappears once they are opened.
The user can close the stacks when they are done but when the last 
open stack is closed I want to quit the standalone too.

How can I tell when there are no daughter stacks open?


Depending on how your stacks are displayed, you may be able to use:

 if the number of lines in the openstacks = 1 then quit

This assumes that the mainstack is open (though hidden) and other 
stacks are completely closed.


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Re: Drag and drop from a list field

[Bill Vlahos]

Ken's suggestion works for making a text clipping on the desktop with 
the both the name of the file and contents of the file whatever was in 
the line of the field being dragged.


I need to intercept this and put something else in those places. In my 
case the field is a list of names each of which represents a data 
record (with multiple fields) but is not the complete data record in 
the list field. I want to collect and format a vCARD from the data base 
and have that be deposited as a vCARD on the desktop.


Bill Vlahos

On Feb 27, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Ken Ray wrote:


On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:39:29 -0800, Bill Vlahos wrote:


Klaus has a great demo stack in RevOnLine on dragging and dropping a
file on the computer desktop into a field or stack. What I want to
know is how to drag and drop out of a list field onto the desktop.

There is a sample drag and drop in the Rev docs using graphics
objects for dragging the name of a color graphic to another object on
the same card. Essentially the object has the script:

on mouseDown
  set the dragData["text"] to the short name of the target
  set the borderWidth of the target to 3
end mouseDown

on dragEnd
  set the borderWidth of the target to 1
end dragEnd


I have two questions.

1. How do I get the content of the line of text (the one that is
selected) in a list field that I want to drag from?


You could:

  set the dragData["text"] to the hilitedText of the target

However, the cursor changes to be the "can't drag" cursor, even though
you can drop the text into the Message Box or another app without a
problem, so you'd have to change the cursor too:

on mouseDown
  lock cursor
  set cursor to arrow
  set the dragData["text"] to the hilitedText of the target
end mouseDown

The problem with *that* is that you're releasing outside of the main
card window, so no mouseUp/mouseRelease message will be sent. So you'd
need to poll for the mouseState like this:

on mouseDown
  lock cursor
  set cursor to 24   -- the drag cursor
  send "checkMouse" to me in 100 milliseconds
  set the dragData["text"] to the hilitedText of the target
end mouseDown

on checkMouse
  if the mouse is up then
unlock cursor
  else
send "checkMouse" to me in 100 milliseconds
  end if
end checkMouse


2. How do I send it outside the stack to the desktop to make a file
on the desktop?


Well, if you're just dragging text, then the OS does it for you - when
you drag text into the Finder (or Windows Explorer) and release, it
will make a clipping file for you - basically it detects the type of
dragData ("text" in this case), and handles it for you. However I don't
know how to find out exactly *where* the file ends up. That is, what
folder, etc. received the clipping.

It would really be great if the "dragDestination" could be updated to
contain this kind of information, but right now the destination can
only be other objects in Rev.

Anyone have any ideas on how to find out where the clipping was 
dropped?


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
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Re: Escape key to dismiss dialogs

[Bill Vlahos]

Neat solution.

I think I'll limit to just the "Cancel" button because I don't want  
the user to close the stack if they press escape in the normal window.


Thanks Dave.

Bill Vlahos

On Feb 27, 2007, at 12:06 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:



On 27 Feb 2007, at 05:56, Bill Vlahos wrote:

 It is common for dialog boxes to cancel when the user presses the  
Esc key. Unfortunately when I press the Esc key on an ask dialog  
it simply enters something in the field.


Is this a bug? How do I get the desired behavior?


One way I've handled this is to put the following handler in the  
stack script of the main stack.


on escapeKey
  if there is a button "Cancel" then
click at the loc of button "Cancel"
  else if there is a button "Close" then
   click at the loc of button "Close"
 end if
end escapeKey

Cheers
Dave
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Escape key to dismiss dialogs

[Bill Vlahos]

 It is common for dialog boxes to cancel when the user presses the  
Esc key. Unfortunately when I press the Esc key on an ask dialog it  
simply enters something in the field.


Is this a bug? How do I get the desired behavior?

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos
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Drag and drop from a list field

[Bill Vlahos]

Klaus has a great demo stack in RevOnLine on dragging and dropping a  
file on the computer desktop into a field or stack. What I want to  
know is how to drag and drop out of a list field onto the desktop.


There is a sample drag and drop in the Rev docs using graphics  
objects for dragging the name of a color graphic to another object on  
the same card. Essentially the object has the script:


on mouseDown
  set the dragData["text"] to the short name of the target
  set the borderWidth of the target to 3
end mouseDown

on dragEnd
  set the borderWidth of the target to 1
end dragEnd


I have two questions.

1. How do I get the content of the line of text (the one that is  
selected) in a list field that I want to drag from?
2. How do I send it outside the stack to the desktop to make a file  
on the desktop?


Think the way the Apple and Microsoft Address Books work with  
exporting/importing a vCARD file.


Bill Vlahos
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Re: Parallels Desktop

[Bill Vlahos]

Oh yeah. I remember Switcher. It was awesome.

Bill Vlahos

On Feb 20, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Wow,

I'm running Parallels in Coherence mode, and it's pretty much a full
blown religious experience. Can't figure out if I'm using Windows or
Mac. When I open my Windows apps, they pop up and look like windows,
when I do the same for Mac it looks like Mac.

I'll be getting a huge headache very soon now, but until then I can
actually say I've witnessed a miracle. Haven't been this wowed since
my first peek at beta version of SuperCard 1.0 -- or was it my first
Newton...no, it was Switcher (anyone remember what Switcher was?)

-Chipp
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How to tell when last stack closed

[Bill Vlahos]

I have a standalone which launches one or more stacks but then  
disappears once they are opened.


The user can close the stacks when they are done but when the last  
open stack is closed I want to quit the standalone too.


How can I tell when there are no daughter stacks open?

Bill
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Re: Parallels Desktop

[Bill Vlahos]

It would be a interesting exercise to see how many more APIs the  
CrossOver folks would need to write for Revolution apps.


Of course, you don't really need to since Rev can write for both Mac  
and Windows at the same time so it probably isn't a good use of  
anyone's time at RunRev.


Bill

On Feb 19, 2007, at 6:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

Mark, I'm about to do the same and am looking at "Cross Over Mac" at:
 It appears that it's still  
quite THERE, but I like the idea of not having to have Windows.


You may want to run a trial before purchase if they offer one. I  
read somewhere that many apps not in the list of supported products  
will fail. If you find out whether Rev runs or not, could you let  
us know?


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Re: Parallels Desktop

[Bill Vlahos]

You will notice a big improvement with at least 2GB of RAM for  
Parallels.


Bill

On Feb 19, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

I ditched my PC laptop and have been using Parallels Desktop on an  
Intel
MacBook Pro exclusively for the last 3 or 4 months. I do some  
fairly heavy
duty Rev development regularly under Parallels and haven't had any  
major
problems (that I didn't also have on a real windows box) to date.  
My only
quibble with it is that it can be fairly slow to start up, but then  
that
might be due to the fact that I've only got 1GB of RAM on-board.  
Provided
you don't try to have both sides doing a lot of work at the same  
time it all
seems to go pretty smoothly. Of course, the big advantage (for me  
at least)
of Parallels over Boot Camp is the shared folders and clipboard.  
There are

also apparently some nifty features available in the latest Beta but I
haven't had time to try them out.

So that's a thumbs up from me.

Terry...

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Where is stack?

[Bill Vlahos]

I want to be able to have the user easily make a copy of the stack they 
are working on as a way to backup the stack. This would be something 
like "Save a Copy".


However, I don't want to change the active path of the stack. I still 
want the stack they are working on to stay put and be the working 
stack.


The following button script doesn't work and gives this error
Chunk: source is not a container

on mouseUp
  answer folder "Select destination folder for backup: "
  if it is not "Cancel" then
revCopyFile this stack, it
  end if
end mouseUp

How can I make this work?

Bill Vlahos
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Progress box on save

[Bill Vlahos]

I have a stack which sometimes takes a long time to save so I'd like to 
put up a message with a progress bar (or even a static one is OK) while 
I save it so the user knows that something is happening and it just 
isn't finished yet.


Ask and Answer won't work because they require the user to do something 
to get them started. I might want to allow the user to cancel the save 
but probably not even that.


Rev does something like what I want when it saves a stack except there 
is no progress bar but it isn't obvious to me how they do it.


Bill Vlahos

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Can't set the password of a stack

[Bill Vlahos]

I enter the following into the message box but it doesn't password 
protect the stack.

set the passKey of this stack to "niftypassword"

I've done this before so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong now.

Bill Vlahos
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Re: USB

[Bill Vlahos]

I just got an Asante router (24 port all gigabit layer 2, 3, 4 switch!) 
which has an interesting new feature. In addition to the regular DB9 
serial port they have a USB port that they say can be used as the 
console port. When i tried using it with ZTerm on the Mac (or 
HyperTerminal in Windows)  it didn't recognize the port so I asked them 
to tell me how to make it work.


They sent me what looks like a generic USB driver and instructions on 
how to make it work on the Mac. I installed it but the port still 
didn't come up but I think something else was going on on my Mac that 
made it not work. I have not had time to work on it further. What was 
supposed to happen was ZTerm would simply recognize the port and be 
able to select it. If that is the case then this might be very good 
solution for us as we could use USB without having any additional 
hardware other than a USB cable (i.e. no USB to Serial adapter).


I don't have the instructions for Windows yet but I don't believe 
Asante created the driver so perhaps someone has come up with a generic 
driver that we could use.


I'll follow up when I get more information.

Bill Vlahos

On Dec 1, 2006, at 7:28 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


What's the final word on addressing USB devices in Rev?

Searching the archives I found that some posts say it's possible to 
use open driver to address USB devices, others say only if the device 
is going through a hardware serial converter.


Can we access USB devices in Rev?  If not, anyone heard an ETA for 
when we might?


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Re: Linked text in a field as a form

[Bill Vlahos]

The long id of the target just points to the filed itself not to 
anything specific inside the field (i.e. field id 1004 of card id 1002 
of stack "Untitled 1"). What I need is the char 23 to char 30 of the 
field.


ChickChar only gives me the char number clicked on but the the entire 
linked phrase. Is there a way to get the start and end chars of a 
linked textStyle?


Bill Vlahos

On Nov 11, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Ken Ray wrote:


On 11/11/06 4:37 PM, "Bill Vlahos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The following handler in the locked field will give me the grouped 
text

itself:
on linkClicked theText
   put theText
end linkClicked

...but it won't tell me
1. Which group it was in the field (can I identify multiple linked
texts in a field)?
2. How do I replace the original text group? (I.e. put varText into
group 2 of field "form")
3. How do I keep the replaced text also as a group?


You should be able to use "the target"... here's how this would work:

on linkClicked pText
  put the long id of the target into tTarget
  ask "Replacement:"
  if it <> "" then
do "put it into" && tTarget
set the textStyle of char 1 to \
   length(the text of tTarget) of tTarget to link
  end if
end linkClicked

Have fun!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Linked text in a field as a form

[Bill Vlahos]

The traditional way to deal with an on screen form is to have a number 
of label fields and data fields. This works for simple forms but can 
get tedious quickly if you have much data to enter. It should be 
possible to have a field with the prompt text and a grouped data text. 
I would want the starting data text to simply be a number of characters 
that are underlined. Lock the field so the user can't modify the 
descriptive text but allow the user to enter the fields by clicking on 
the linked text which would start out by being just a bunch of spaces 
indicating a blank form.


What I want to do is have the user click on the spaces (they are 
underlined because the have the link textStyle) and then have a "ask" 
dialog box come up for the user to type what they want. Once they are 
done changing the entry, the dialog box goes away and the text entered 
replaces the original grouped text (but keeps the grouping for later 
changes).


The following handler in the locked field will give me the grouped text 
itself:

on linkClicked theText
  put theText
end linkClicked

...but it won't tell me
	1. Which group it was in the field (can I identify multiple linked 
texts in a field)?
	2. How do I replace the original text group? (I.e. put varText into 
group 2 of field "form")

3. How do I keep the replaced text also as a group?

Bill Vlahos

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How to link to Google Maps with an Address

[Bill Vlahos]

I want to put a button next to an address in a Rev stack that will  
pass the address info to the user's default web browser.


The API examples on the Google site mostly look like JAVA calls.  
There must be a simple way to pass the parameters to a URL.


Bill Vlahos
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OT: more stinkin s p a m

[Bill Vlahos]

At my company 97% of incoming email is spam.

It is simply a huge problem.

Bill Vlahos

On Oct 28, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Jeffrey Reynolds wrote:


Martin,

I too have had a very large increase in spam over the last few weeks 
thats seeping through a couple layers of s p a m filters. many are 
coming from a few email addresses i use for lists. unfortunately i 
have not set up emails for each individual list, but much of this 
increased s p a m is coming from list addresses. I was about to up all 
the spam filters a notch or two.


cheers,

jeff


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Re: Standalone builder current?

[Bill Vlahos]

I have been able to resolve my issues with the help of Rev Support.

1. One issue (Bugzilla 3514) was a known bug with an easy workaround 
that I thought I had done but hadn't.
2. Another issue (Bugzilla 3386) was resolved by including a library 
that was not obvious.

3. The third issue I also have a workaround for.

Sorry if I gave the impression that I have anything but the highest 
regards and affection for Rev. My hypothesis about wrong versions being 
included were incorrect.


Bill Vlahos

On Oct 19, 2006, at 7:59 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

I have a weird problem. I'm seeing a couple of bugs in a standalone 
that I'm not seeing in the IDE. In fact, both of these are bugs that 
were "fixed" previously. Since there are two of these I'm wondering if 
the 2.7.4 version of Rev I have either doesn't have the current 
versions of things or is somehow incorporating the wrong ones.


I have tried it on a couple of different Macs but both of them have 
previous versions of Rev and were upgraded.


When I saw one bug "come back" I figured it must not have gotten 
incorporated into whatever is used in a standalone. But when I saw the 
other one two it got me thinking it might be something else.


Anyone else seeing this? How can I tell? I seem to recall discussion 
along similar lines but I can't remember the details.


Bill Vlahos
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Re: Standalone builder current?

[Bill Vlahos]

I'll check. I built on Mac OS X for Universal (Mac) and Windows  
including U3.


Bill

On Oct 20, 2006, at 1:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Bill Vlahos wrote:
I have a weird problem. I'm seeing a couple of bugs in a  
standalone that I'm not seeing in the IDE. In fact, both of these  
are bugs that were "fixed" previously. Since there are two of  
these I'm wondering if the 2.7.4 version of Rev I have either  
doesn't have the current versions of things or is somehow  
incorporating the wrong ones.


That sounds like the likely answer. Look inside the IDE folder, in  
"Runtime//" and check the version number. What platform did you  
build the standalone for? Note that if it was one of the 'nixes,  
then yes, you will be using an older version.


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Standalone builder current?

[Bill Vlahos]

I have a weird problem. I'm seeing a couple of bugs in a standalone  
that I'm not seeing in the IDE. In fact, both of these are bugs that  
were "fixed" previously. Since there are two of these I'm wondering  
if the 2.7.4 version of Rev I have either doesn't have the current  
versions of things or is somehow incorporating the wrong ones.


I have tried it on a couple of different Macs but both of them have  
previous versions of Rev and were upgraded.


When I saw one bug "come back" I figured it must not have gotten  
incorporated into whatever is used in a standalone. But when I saw  
the other one two it got me thinking it might be something else.


Anyone else seeing this? How can I tell? I seem to recall discussion  
along similar lines but I can't remember the details.


Bill Vlahos
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Re: IDE gone unstable with stack menu change

[Bill Vlahos]

I think I missed the feature when I created it. What I needed was the  
reverse which would have been NOT to move everything back up.


Bill

On Oct 17, 2006, at 3:15 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Bill,

Your requested feature already exists. When you make a new menubar,  
a window appears to choose a stack and give the new group a name,  
with a checkbox giving you an option to move objects down to  
accommodate for the menu bar.


Best regards,

Mark

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Op 17-okt-2006, om 3:50 heeft Bill Vlahos het volgende geschreven:



I'll try to make a feature request for the Menu Builder to offer  
not to move things. I have a feeling that this trips up a number  
of folks and it looks like Rev knows how to prevent the problem.


Bill Vlahos



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Re: IDE gone unstable with stack menu change

[Bill Vlahos]

Thanks to Jacqueline and Chris. They both gave me clues.

What I did to fix it was simply delete the menu group entirely. When  
you do that Rev asks if you want to move everything back up and  
delete the objects. I said no and it didn't move anything but it did  
delete the menus. I don't know which objects it was talking about as  
I can't seem to find any left over.


I then recreated the menu (it wasn't very extensive) with the scripts  
I had saved before the deletion.


It did move my header group quite a bit down (the wrong amount) but  
this time it didn't seem to mind me moving it back where it belongs.  
So far, so good.


I'll try to make a feature request for the Menu Builder to offer not  
to move things. I have a feeling that this trips up a number of folks  
and it looks like Rev knows how to prevent the problem.


Bill Vlahos

On Oct 16, 2006, at 2:16 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:


Bill,

One trick I've learned that keeps the other controls from shifting  
up is to hide your menu group first, and then set as menubar on Mac  
OS. Of course, if this app has to run on Windows as well, you'll  
have to show the menu group via your code if the platform is  
"Win32". Otherwise, no menus. :-) But this has worked for me in the  
past. I'm not sure if this is a "bug" or "undocumented feature" or  
what, or whether or not it will always be possible, but for now it  
has gotten me out of a couple pickles myself.


hth,
Chris


On Oct 16, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

I have been happily developing a stack with menus. To make life  
simpler with the IDE I didn't have them "Set as menubar on Mac OS"  
in the Menu Builder dialog box. This put the stack menus on the  
screen but left the IDE menus available for me to use and has  
worked great up to now.


I'm about finished with the stack so I checked the box then all  
hell broke loose.


1. Everything shifted up when the menus were removed. I sort of  
expected this and thought that I could simply move everything down  
appropriately and get on with life. (BTW it would be nice if it  
didn't shift everything up.) Perhaps there is a way to avoid this.


2. As I start to move things back down, dragging the fields,  
buttons, etc. sometimes it works but sometimes it leaves trailing  
images. Also the screen doesn't update itself properly (blank  
areas where there should be something and/or editing a group shows  
objects not in the group). These almost always result in the IDE  
crashing. Sometimes reopening the last saved version of the stack  
(which looked ok before the save) opens the window much shorter  
than what it should.


I'll contact RunRev about this for support but I'm in a pickle on  
this and was wondering if anyone else has seen this and, even  
better, has a fix for it.


I've tried on a different computer thinking my copy of Rev had  
suddenly gone off but the problem persisted so I think the stack  
is getting corrupted somehow. Developing on Mac OS X latest  
version and Rev latest version all Transcript (i.e. no externals  
etc.).


Bill Vlahos

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IDE gone unstable with stack menu change

[Bill Vlahos]

I have been happily developing a stack with menus. To make life simpler 
with the IDE I didn't have them "Set as menubar on Mac OS" in the Menu 
Builder dialog box. This put the stack menus on the screen but left the 
IDE menus available for me to use and has worked great up to now.


I'm about finished with the stack so I checked the box then all hell 
broke loose.


1. Everything shifted up when the menus were removed. I sort of 
expected this and thought that I could simply move everything down 
appropriately and get on with life. (BTW it would be nice if it didn't 
shift everything up.) Perhaps there is a way to avoid this.


2. As I start to move things back down, dragging the fields, buttons, 
etc. sometimes it works but sometimes it leaves trailing images. Also 
the screen doesn't update itself properly (blank areas where there 
should be something and/or editing a group shows objects not in the 
group). These almost always result in the IDE crashing. Sometimes 
reopening the last saved version of the stack (which looked ok before 
the save) opens the window much shorter than what it should.


I'll contact RunRev about this for support but I'm in a pickle on this 
and was wondering if anyone else has seen this and, even better, has a 
fix for it.


I've tried on a different computer thinking my copy of Rev had suddenly 
gone off but the problem persisted so I think the stack is getting 
corrupted somehow. Developing on Mac OS X latest version and Rev latest 
version all Transcript (i.e. no externals etc.).


Bill Vlahos

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Stack rename itself

[Bill Vlahos]

I have a stub executable that will open stacks so that the stacks can  
save themselves with their data.


I would like to be able to rename the stack file and other pertinent  
information so that there could be multiple versions of the stack  
personalized to different people.


I think what I want to do is similar to the way Revolution safely  
saves changes to a stack. It first renames the stack with a leading  
tilde saves a new version of the stack and then deletes the old  
version. This creates a safe save and is, more or less, what I want  
to do except be able to specify what the name would be.


I would also like to be able to control this because I plan on  
selling the stacks. It would be good to be able to manage the  
duplication of the stacks but that is probably a different discussion.


Any thoughts on these would be appreciated.

Bill Vlahos
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Inhibit move to a different card

[Bill Vlahos]

I have a home card that I don't want a user to be able to leave (i.e.  
go to another card in the stack) without doing something like enter a  
password.


How do I inhibit the Next Card, Last Card, etc. commands or arrow  
keys or any other way to navigate the stack?


The stack will be launched from an Executable stub application.

Bill Vlahos
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Re: Classic Emulators...

[Bill Vlahos]

Yes.

Running Windows on Parallels gives you essentially the same  
vulnerabilities as running Windows on any other kind of PC. Viruses,  
malware, popups, etc. the whole nine yards.


Bill

On Sep 25, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote:

Just one more slightly [OT] question... Do I need to keep up to  
date with

the latest virus checkers using Windows with Parallel on the Mac?  Jim


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Re: Button Icons wont show up when powered by my standalone

[Bill Vlahos]

I agree that there should be an option to automatically import icons  
used when building a standalone. It is an obvious gotcha that a lot  
of new users get tripped over.


I find it cumbersome that to add the image you have to add it and  
then make the image invisible which makes it a two step process.  
Maybe a feature request would be to add the image and then make it  
invisible automatically. That way it will be in the Image Library  
when you want to use it but it doesn't clutter the stack you are  
making with the image you then have to hide.


Bill Vlahos

On Sep 20, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

I asked this question before, but never got a response. I thought  
there used to be a way in the Standalone builder settings to  
include the standard and metacard image libraries in the  
standalone. Regardless of whether that's true or if I just dreamed  
it, it seems like there ought to be a way to do so. If one makes  
heavy use of these image libraries for button icons, shouldn't  
there be a way to automatically include them in the standalone?  
There are no obvious clues to the new developer that the nifty  
icons you used in the IDE are going to mysteriously disappear when  
you build the standalone. Dave's question is a witness to that, and  
I've been bitten by it myself a couple of times.


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Re: Auto enable Cut, Copy, Paste menu items

[Bill Vlahos]

Oh now that is the most ridiculously, wonderfully, and embarrassingly 
easy thing to do.


Here it is:
on mouseDown -- Put in button "Edit" of menubar group of stack
  -- This example assumes text in fields not other clipboard types
  if the selectedText is empty then -- nothing selected
disable menuItem 1 of me -- Cut
disable menuItem 2 of me -- Copy
  else -- text is selected
enable menuItem 1 of me -- Cut
enable menuItem 2 of me -- Copy
  end if
  if the clipboard is "text" then -- Is there text in the clipboard?
enable menuItem 3 of me -- Paste
  else -- Either no text in clipboard or data type of clipboard is not 
text

disable menuItem 3 of me -- Paste
  end if
end mouseDown

Thanks Sarah.
Bill Vlahos

On Sep 13, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


On 9/14/06, Bill Vlahos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does Rev have an automated way to manage the Edit menu items Cut,
Copy, and Paste?

For example, it only makes sense for Cut or Copy to be enabled if
there is any text that is hilited. Another example, if there isn't
anything in the clipboard then there is nothing to paste. Even if
there is something on the clipboard there would have to be a match
for where it would be pasted. For example, if there is text in the
clipboard there would have to be an insertion point in a text field
for the paste to make sense.

On a stack with lots of fields and cards it seems tedious to try to
manage all of the situations.

I was hoping that this would be a common enough feature of every
program that Rev could manage it for me but I don't see it described
anywhere.



I don't think there is any automated way to do this, but managing it
yourself is not too tedious if you just have a single routine for
doing it that gets called from a mouseDown handler in the menubar
group script.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Auto enable Cut, Copy, Paste menu items

[Bill Vlahos]

Does Rev have an automated way to manage the Edit menu items Cut,  
Copy, and Paste?


For example, it only makes sense for Cut or Copy to be enabled if  
there is any text that is hilited. Another example, if there isn't  
anything in the clipboard then there is nothing to paste. Even if  
there is something on the clipboard there would have to be a match  
for where it would be pasted. For example, if there is text in the  
clipboard there would have to be an insertion point in a text field  
for the paste to make sense.


On a stack with lots of fields and cards it seems tedious to try to  
manage all of the situations.


I was hoping that this would be a common enough feature of every  
program that Rev could manage it for me but I don't see it described  
anywhere.


Bill Vlahos
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Re: RunRev logos

[Bill Vlahos]

I would like a horizontally oriented logo to use. The current logos  
are too vertically oriented for where I'd like to place them. The  
RealBasic logo image that is commonly used is an example of what I'm  
talking about.


Bill

On Aug 24, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:


It would be useful if a high-resolution version, a small
72dpi version, and a EPS version of the RunRev logo in the
current style were always available on the RunRev web site,
together with high-res pictures of the RunRev staff ;-)


I think this is easy enough to do. There's been a press page  
planned for
some time with support materials that can have these sizes plus  
some - minus

the runrev staff photos ;-)

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd


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ANN: Encryption Demo Stack

[Bill Vlahos]

I've completed a stack to show how to use encryption and work with 
passwords.


It was complicated to figure out but I think I've come up with an easy 
to implement approach.


Please let me know if it is useful and if there are any security flaws.

It is available at RevOnLine in the Programming section in both modern 
and legacy formats. It was written in Rev 2.7.2 and the legacy stack 
has been tested with 2.5.1 which is the first version of Rev with the 
required encryption abilities. I've tested the modern version on both 
Mac OS X and Windows XP but it should work on any platform Rev 
supports.


Bill Vlahos

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Re: Hurrah for runrev...

[Bill Vlahos]

Seamus,

Welcome to the revolution.

Revolution is the first programming language in a long time that I  
look forward to programming also.


Bill Vlahos

On Jul 28, 2006, at 9:07 AM, corvideon wrote:



Hi all

I just wanted to share my satisfaction with my runrev experience so  
far.
I look forward to coding again (currently rewriting a vb email  
management
app for a client). The support from the RunRev company has been  
fantastic.
The community is full of really nice helpful people and the mailing  
list is

a great resource.
Not since I became a Rubyist have I enjoyed development as much.

It is easy to forget how much one gains professionally and  
personally from a
well designed and well supported product. I just wanted to say a  
big Thank

You to RunRev Ltd and all the people on the list.

It is always good to acknowledge when something is right. Too often  
people

only complain (which is OK when warranted).

In my opinion, Runrev is something done right.

I advise any other microISVs out there to look at it seriously as a  
dev

platform.

Regards

Seamus
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Re: [OT] Of Mac Right Clicks (was Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application")

[Bill Vlahos]

Ben,

I know the feature in on a MacBook Pro but I think it should be on  
AlBooks too. In the "Keyboard & Mouse" System Preference, click the  
"Trackpad" tab. Check the box labeled, "Place two fingers on trackpad  
and click button for secondary click."


If you don't see that option then you are either at something earlier  
than 10.4.7 or the Mac doesn't support it.


Bill Vlahos

On Jul 23, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:


On 23/7/06 23:26, Bill Vlahos wrote:
There is a new feature in Mac OS X 10.4.7. Put 2 fingers on the  
trackpad and click the button for a right click. Its a brilliant  
way to overcome what I considered a shortcoming of a one button  
laptop. In fact, I like it better than having two buttons.


Billl, can you tell me more?  The loss of the right button is what  
I hate most about using my PB on airplanes - I have 10.4.7 (on a  
sufficiently late model Aluminium PowerBook to have the two- 
fingered scrolling), but this doesn't seem to do anything for me,  
nor can I see anything in the control panel.  Is this only in  
MacBooks?


BTW for others, while I'd still welcome a faster solution, I find  
the control-click solution so awkward that I generally prefer to  
just hold down the trackpad button for a longer time, which in most  
apps (I'm not sure if it's a system thing, a Cocoa thing, or just a  
convention) will eventually pop-up a contextual menu.


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Re: [OT] Of Mac Right Clicks (was Re: "There Was a Problem Saving the Standalone Application")

[Bill Vlahos]

There is a new feature in Mac OS X 10.4.7. Put 2 fingers on the  
trackpad and click the button for a right click. Its a brilliant way  
to overcome what I considered a shortcoming of a one button laptop.  
In fact, I like it better than having two buttons.


Bill Vlahos

On Jul 23, 2006, at 5:28 AM, Todd Higgins wrote:



On Jul 23, 2006, at 1:38 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:


That's a nifty piece of software. Do you use it? I'm wondering how
exactly one simulates a right-click? I wouldn't think taping on the
track pad would work all that well. In fact, I've turned off  
'tapping'

on all my track pads for that reason


My Macbook Pro is my primary machine, so I use the trackpad  
constantly (So much I was starting to develop wrist pains from  
constantly clicking with my thumb)  I originally got the software  
for scrolling on my Powerbook (before Apple implemented two finger  
scrolling support in hardware)


 I use the trackpad tap set for "left click with drag" and the  
trackpad button set for "right click"  People who want to borrow my  
machine for a few minutes are throughly confused, but I'm a lot  
more efficient and my wrist pain went away. I have 2 corners  
currently set as buttons for Expose and Dashboard.  Chipp, if you  
wanted to you could set one corner button to Delete (which is a  
combo  fn+delete on a Apple laptop)


Regards,

Todd
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Re: Server permissions - CORRECTED

[Bill Vlahos]

Ken,

Very cool. I will give it a try and let you know.

Bill

On May 16, 2006, at 6:06 AM, Ken Ray wrote:


On 5/15/06 10:27 PM, "Bill Vlahos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


How can I determine the permissions on a server share/volume? I would
like to document the server permissions on our file servers (both Mac
OS X Server and Windows 2000 and 2003 servers).


OK, forget my last email... Rev can do this itself!

Simply point "the defaultFolder" to the folder you're looking at,  
and get
"the detailed files". In the resulting list, the 10th item (I  
believe) is

the file permissions...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: Server permissions

[Bill Vlahos]

Two more pieces of information I would need is whether or not the  
permissions were inherited from the parent folder and AFP vs. SMB  
permissions. I can get by without either of these items for my  
particular servers because we generally inherit the permissions and  
AFP is the same as SMB but being able to get the information would be  
more helpful. I'm not even sure I can get these from the OS.


Bill

On May 15, 2006, at 8:27 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

How can I determine the permissions on a server share/volume? I  
would like to document the server permissions on our file servers  
(both Mac OS X Server and Windows 2000 and 2003 servers).


I have an immediate need to do this on OS X (10.3.x) servers as  
I'll be upgrading them to 10.4. I am thinking of bringing up a  
whole new server and transferring the folders/files to it and then  
setting the permissions to match the old server.


Is there a Rev command that will give me permissions on the folder  
or file or do I need to script the shell? I assume I will need to  
run the application on the server itself so that it has access to  
all of the settings.


Info for each Share or Folder:
Path: /User Files
Owner: Admin : Read & Write
Group: General Users : Read Only
Everyone: No access

If I can get the command then I could build a permissions browser  
database for an entire server.


Bill Vlahos
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Server permissions

[Bill Vlahos]

How can I determine the permissions on a server share/volume? I would  
like to document the server permissions on our file servers (both Mac  
OS X Server and Windows 2000 and 2003 servers).


I have an immediate need to do this on OS X (10.3.x) servers as I'll  
be upgrading them to 10.4. I am thinking of bringing up a whole new  
server and transferring the folders/files to it and then setting the  
permissions to match the old server.


Is there a Rev command that will give me permissions on the folder or  
file or do I need to script the shell? I assume I will need to run  
the application on the server itself so that it has access to all of  
the settings.


Info for each Share or Folder:
Path: /User Files
Owner: Admin : Read & Write
Group: General Users : Read Only
Everyone: No access

If I can get the command then I could build a permissions browser  
database for an entire server.


Bill Vlahos
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Re: PIM

[Bill Vlahos]

I've been working on a program for awhile that has PIM functionality 
even though that isn't its prime function. This will be an inexpensive 
consumer oriented product and there isn't much like it out now.


I hope to be ready for beta testers in about a month and will solicit 
this list when I am ready.


Bill Vlahos

On Apr 20, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Mikey wrote:


WAAAY back in the day I used to use
Connections, which was a PIM product that ran in HC.  I'm incredibly
unhappy with all the PIM's I've used since, so I'm thinking of killing
myself cranking one out.  Do we have an RR based PIM somewhere?


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Re: iCalendar or vCard files

[Bill Vlahos]

I've used vCARD import and export in a program I'm developing. What  
is it you need help with? The format isn't too bad but it just  
requires a bunch of code.


Bill Vlahos

On Apr 4, 2006, at 8:23 AM, Terry Vogelaar wrote:


Hi all,

Is there anyone who made an attempt to write a stack that can  
interpret and edit iCal files or vCard files, like used by Apple's  
iCal and Addressbook?


Terry


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Re: Stack on a server

[Bill Vlahos]

Yes, but you don't want them to. Since there is no record/file  
locking you could have multiple people making changes at the same  
time and whoever makes it last wins.


If the stack doesn't change then you could do it but that isn't a  
very elegant way to have it work. If you want multi-user access you  
will need to account for it in your stack or use some sort of data  
base on the server.


Bill Vlahos

On Mar 8, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:

Can multiple people simultaneously access data from a Rev stack on  
a server (from a standalone)? Is there a recommended method of  
doing so?


Thanks,

Marty Knapp
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Re: XP Problems Persist...

[Bill Vlahos]

Which brands of thumb drives are having problems?

Bill Vlahos

On Mar 2, 2006, at 7:05 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

I agree. When I recharged my little Revcon thumb drive at the 
conference, some stacks didn't make it back home, had to download..


Especially had problems using a thumb drive between sys9 and 10.

sqb



Judy,

it will sound stupid but I had tons of problems with my thumb drive 
corrupting my rev stacks... after using it, rev would cease to 
recognize the stacks. It was not a rev problem it was a cheap thumb 
drive problem... have you tried to transfer the files using another 
medium?


Cheers
andre



--
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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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Table field does not send closeField

[Bill Vlahos]

How do I trap for a change in the contents of a table field with cell 
editing turned on? It doesn't seem to send a closeField message.


Bill Vlahos

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Re: Format table cells with?

[Bill Vlahos]

Jeanne,

Thanks for the info. This pretty much how I wanted it to work.

Is there a way to have it flag when what was entered isn't a valid  
date? For example February 32, 2006 or Fuberry 2, 2006.


Bill Vlahos

On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:05 AM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:


At 11:43 PM -0800 2/1/2006, Bill Vlahos wrote:
The table object has the ability to format cells several ways  
including Date. There is a field to the right of this choice in  
the Properties Palate but I don't know what information should go  
in there. I wasn't able to find any references to it in the Help.


What I want is to validate and format the cell information so that  
it is a correct date. Is this how it is supposed to work? If so,  
what do I put in the field?


It's a date modifier (short, abbrev, long, or system). For example,  
if you set the combobox to "Date" and enter "short" in the field,  
then if you enter "Feb 6, 2006" in a cell in the formatted column,  
then click out of it, the cell is changed to read "2/6/2006". From  
the (old) docs (this seems to have gotten dropped out of the docs  
at some point):


-
How to format numbers in a table field:

To control the format of numbers in a table field, you specify a  
format, along with the cells you want to apply the format to, in  
the field's property inspector. To choose a format, follow these  
steps:


1.  In the "Table" pane, check the "Cell formatting" box.

2.  Choose a column number from both menus labeled "Format Column".

3.  From the "Using" menu, choose the format you want to use. In  
the "With" box, enter a prefix or suffix, a number of decimal  
places,  a percentage value, or "short", "long", "internet", or  
"system" for a date.


4.  Press the Tab key, then click "Add" to apply the format.

  Note:  You can apply only one format to any particular cell.
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Format table cells with?

[Bill Vlahos]

The table object has the ability to format cells several ways including 
Date. There is a field to the right of this choice in the Properties 
Palate but I don't know what information should go in there. I wasn't 
able to find any references to it in the Help.


What I want is to validate and format the cell information so that it 
is a correct date. Is this how it is supposed to work? If so, what do I 
put in the field?


Bill Vlahos

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Oracle search path Instant Client vs. full client

[Bill Vlahos]

We have an application which queries an Oracle data base.

On Windows we have the Oracle Instant Client files local to the .exe  
file and it works fine. However, if a user also has the full Oracle  
client installed, the connection string fails. It looks to me like  
the local files are not being used.


Could this be a path problem? Is there a way to point to the local  
files instead or some other solution for this?


Bill Vlahos
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How do I select text in a field?

[Bill Vlahos]

I want to programatically select text in a field as if I had 
doubleclicked it. For example... I want to select word 4 of a field.


When I enter the following statement in the Message Box or in a button:

select word 4 of field "one"

The insertion point flashes in the field and the focus border flashes 
but no text is selected. How do I do this?


Bill Vlahos

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Re: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes

[Bill Vlahos]

Very nice. What is the technology behind this? Is it done in Rev or 
something else?


Bill Vlahos

On Jan 5, 2006, at 2:48 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:


Dear all,

as promised, the surprise:

<http://revolution.lexicall.org/codes/>

I was not happy with tikiwiki for managing code snippets. So, there is 
now a new cms to host all the questions and answers about coding 
issues that appear on this mailing list.


Features are:
* All posts of the last month already included in the website (more 
than 400 pages already!)


* As announced, xtalk code colorization, for ease of reading.

* Taxonomy back end. Anybody familiar with the delicious way of 
tagging your material will feel at home here. Each entry is tagged 
with a few vocabulary terms that ensure very rapid localization of the 
information you are after. All tags appear on the right handside of 
the website. An interesting one to use is the "user level" category 
which should allow beginner user to more rapidly find out about the 
information that is relevant to them. New categories or new terms can 
easily be added.


* For now, manual parsing, tagging, and editing guaranteeing quality 
of classification and interest of the posts. For the ones ready to 
help, I have a stack to help with rapid parsing of use-revolution 
digests... more about this later. I am not 100% happy with this stack 
yet.


* Powerful search feature. As powerful as google, but limited to this 
website. Provides you contextual hints (what are the "categories" that 
have some matching pages) as well as highlighting.


* Random tips on the top of the right page, to help you increase your 
knowledge of runrev.


* RSS syndication... you can easily track any change made to the 
website from your favorite RSS reader


* RSS aggregation... if you don't have a favorite RSS reader, you can 
easily keep an eye on the RSS feed of some popular programming 
website.


* Voting feature. You find some information particularly 
interesting... vote for it so that others make sure they don't miss 
it.


* User points. I use this website as an advanced scrapbook. 
Information will be updated regularly as I would do it anyway for my 
personal use. However, anybody is welcome to register and to ask for a 
moderator status which would allow them to add posts, administer 
aspects of the website or even add terms to the taxonomy. The quality 
of the taxonomy-based tagging, for instance, would greatly benefits 
from community participation. I have mentioned this feature to the 
runrev team and there is perhaps (perhaps... that will be based on 
evaluation after a few months of usage) a possibility for the most 
active contributors to be rewarded.


A lot more is possible. You can check out the list of modules there: 
<http://drupal.org/project/Modules> to know all modules that can be 
attached to this cms.


How to use it use the use-revolution list to post emails and to 
post replies to post. I had mentioned the  earlier 
on but in fact it doesn't make much of a difference if you use it or 
not, so you don't really need to bother. If you want to comment about 
something on the /codes website, best is to use the use-revolution 
list to do so with a link to the page on the cms (it will then look 
like <http://revolution.lexicall.org/codes/?q=node/410>). Like many 
others, I prefer to have a single source of information to track.


It's all yours. Enjoy. Feedback welcome!!!

Marielle

PS. the website has some "slow moments" because of congestions on the 
lexicall website or on my provider servers... best is then to wait for 
5 minutes and then try again. I intend to move to a more reliable 
provider in a few weeks time.


PS2. the open stacks gallery has now been updated with the holiday 
contributions. http://revolution.lexicall.org/stacks_education.php

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Re: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006

[Bill Vlahos]

I'll be there too.

Bill Vlahos

On Jan 6, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Dan-

Thursday, January 5, 2006, 11:48:00 PM, you wrote:


I can try to make that.


Cool. Two of us sounds like critical mass to me. I'll plan on being
there right after Joshua Redman's set. I'll probably have to miss the
Small Business dinner on Wednesday since I'd like to be back in the
East Bay, but that one also sounds good. I notice there's a Small
Business BOF at 6 before the dinner as well.

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Re: How to download files from a web server

[Bill Vlahos]

How can I tell when all of the files are finished downloading?

Bill

On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Hi Bill,

you can do the same:

put "C:/test.jpg" into tPath
put URL ("http://www.myserver.com/myBinFile";) into URL ("binFile:" & 
tPath)


-Chipp

Bill Vlahos wrote:
I have an app that I am setting up with a standalone that  
automatically downloads a stack from a web server (go stack url  
"http://server/path/stack.rev";) and that works great so that all I  
have to do is put the current stack on the server and everyone gets  
automatically updated the next time they run the standalone.
However, there are some other supporting files that periodically get  
updated as well which I would like to do a similar download but those 
 files actually need to located on the user's hard disk.

How would I do that?
Bill Vlahos


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Re: Text files from web servers--Say it ain't so!

[Bill Vlahos]

Yep. That's what I do. It works great.

Bill

On Jan 5, 2006, at 6:04 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

Sarah gets the prize. Once I calmed down and looked closer at the file 
I realized that all of the line endings were cr's (xtalk logical 
lines, produced on a Mac.) If I take the same files and save them from 
BBedit as unix or DOS format, the line breaks are preserved. So I just 
need to make sure I use a LF or CRLF as a line delimiter.


Thanks for the help.

Devin

On Jan 5, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:


On 1/6/06, Devin Asay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I've spent the better part of two days coding a utility designed to
pull log files (plain ascii text) off a web server, then parse the
contents for a report. After initially testing the concept with local
files, today I realized that when you use the 'get URL "http://
myserver.com/myfile.log"' form it STRIPS ALL RETURNS out of the file!
I must have known this before, but it slipped my deteriorating mind.
Before I recode my utility, can someone tell me, is it possible to
pull a text file off a web server using the http protocol and retain
the return characters?


What new line character does the log file use? it could be
numToChar(10), numToChar(13) or CRLF (both together). Try getting the
data and then checking for these three characters and replacing with
CR.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: How to download files from a web server

[Bill Vlahos]

Oh that is so cool. I couldn't image it would be that simple. I should 
have just tried it.


Thanks Chipp.

-Bill

On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:37 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Hi Bill,

you can do the same:

put "C:/test.jpg" into tPath
put URL ("http://www.myserver.com/myBinFile";) into URL ("binFile:" & 
tPath)


-Chipp

Bill Vlahos wrote:
I have an app that I am setting up with a standalone that  
automatically downloads a stack from a web server (go stack url  
"http://server/path/stack.rev";) and that works great so that all I  
have to do is put the current stack on the server and everyone gets  
automatically updated the next time they run the standalone.
However, there are some other supporting files that periodically get  
updated as well which I would like to do a similar download but those 
 files actually need to located on the user's hard disk.

How would I do that?
Bill Vlahos


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How to download files from a web server

[Bill Vlahos]

I have an app that I am setting up with a standalone that  
automatically downloads a stack from a web server (go stack url  
"http://server/path/stack.rev";) and that works great so that all I  
have to do is put the current stack on the server and everyone gets  
automatically updated the next time they run the standalone.


However, there are some other supporting files that periodically get  
updated as well which I would like to do a similar download but those  
files actually need to located on the user's hard disk.


How would I do that?

Bill Vlahos
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Re: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006

[Bill Vlahos]

I never saw a summary of when we can meet at Macworld. I also suggest 
Tuesday unless some other night has been selected. Please let us know.


See you there.

Bill Vlahos

On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Dan-

Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 11:19:11 AM, you wrote:


I'll up the ante one cent and suggest we plan a BOF for Rev
developers, Valentina or not. I'll be going, though I'm not yet
certain which dates.


If we're going to do an evening thing, I'd prefer Tuesday or
Wednesday, since I can't make it any other evening that week. I should
say, though, that I tried to set up a BOF last year through IDG, but
got absolutely no response.

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Re: Export to Excel

[Bill Vlahos]

On Dec 14, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Jim Ault wrote:


Couple of questions:
1) is this one table, or several?

One table. I might do several but if I can do one then I can do several.

2) is is continuously updated, or a one-time publish?

One-time publish.

3) does the format vary each/several times?

Not really. Essentially tab delimited fields.

4) does the dimension of the table change?

It might.

Bill Vlahos



Jim Ault
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On 12/13/05 5:20 PM, "Bill Vlahos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have a table in an appliation which I want to export to Excel. I
can fake it out by simply saving it as a text file with the .xls
extension and when the user double-clicks it, Excel will open it up.

That will fake it out but won't do any fancy Excel things like set up
tabbed categories, etc.

Is there a better way to do this export?

I've seen some programs export it directly into Excel without going
through a file on disk. How is that done? I assume on the Mac I could
use AppleScript but how would I do it on Windows?

Bill Vlahos
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Export to Excel

[Bill Vlahos]

I have a table in an appliation which I want to export to Excel. I  
can fake it out by simply saving it as a text file with the .xls  
extension and when the user double-clicks it, Excel will open it up.


That will fake it out but won't do any fancy Excel things like set up  
tabbed categories, etc.


Is there a better way to do this export?

I've seen some programs export it directly into Excel without going  
through a file on disk. How is that done? I assume on the Mac I could  
use AppleScript but how would I do it on Windows?


Bill Vlahos
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Re: My Prototype update!

[Bill Vlahos]

Tom,

I believe WindowsCE has been discussed as a supported platform by the 
Rev folks. You might want to contact Kevin and see if some of that 
$50,000 you are going to spend anyway might go to Rev to support that 
platform.


Good for you, good for Rev, good for us who might also want to write 
for portable devices too.


Just my $.02

Bill Vlahos

On Nov 5, 2005, at 2:55 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


David,

We are making these decisions now. So far we are planning an engine in 
ANSI C for portability and then for the interface elements we are not 
100% sure yet. Some phones are Symbian, others are J2ME and others are 
Hybrids and of course Windows CE etc. So we are developing these plans 
next week and I will know more then.


Thank you,

Tom

On Nov 5, 2005, at 3:24 PM, David Bovill wrote:


Yes - great case study and congratulations!


On 5 Nov 2005, at 20:42, Thomas McGrath III wrote:



Comments:
WoW, Revolution really made my job easier, It has been robust and 
simple and has out shined Director for this project. We can really 
use Revolution to further help us in this process of developing a 
working product on a phone/pda. However, It would have been 'REALLY' 
nice to be able to port the Rev project directly over to a windows 
CE smart phone/PDA environment. It would save us around fifty 
thousand dollars in development too.




Sure you know a hell of a lot more about this than I do - would be 
great to get some info as TV and some simple interactive applications 
on mobiles is a big part of the future of the project we are working 
on here in Vienna.


When I took a brief look at this the road involving some scaled down 
version of SVG designed for mobiles plus Java / javascript seemed 
promising - there were some products in this area and it looked like 
it would not be hard to create them in Rev - that is design the 
interface in Rev - export the SVG and have Java / Javascript 
libraries that much the functionality of the objects in Rev?


How are you planning to do it???

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Re: altQuickTable

[Bill Vlahos]

Chipp,

Thanks for this. It is an easy solution to a long running nasty problem 
with my application.


Bill Vlahos

On Oct 26, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Hey gang,

Just posted a very simple table editing script, using just a single 
field. I find it invaluable and have used variations of this script on 
many different project.


If you're interested, just type into the message box and enter:

go URL "http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/altQuickTable.rev";

It automatically calculates which column of a field you have clicked 
in, asks for a value and inserts it into the proper row/column.


best,

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Re: FORTH

[Bill Vlahos]

Ah Neon. It was the first language I bought for the Mac. It was object 
oriented and everything.


I never could get the hang of it though - just awful. Too bad. I always 
wanted to say. "I program in neon."


Bill

On Oct 16, 2005, at 9:58 PM, MisterX wrote:


that's possible! but forth wasn't in mind though I did try long ago
a forth language on my first mac named Neon... If anyone remembers it!

cheers
Xavier 


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Use of the encryption features in 2.6

[Bill Vlahos]

Has anyone published a description of how to use the encryption 
features of 2.6?


I have a program that stores data in custom properties on several cards 
(major catagories) which I want to encrypt. It would be nice to click a 
check box to automatically encrypt the entire stack but I don't think 
it works that way.


I'm assuming that I need to encrypt the data before putting it into the 
custom property and decrypt it when bringing it out. This doesn't sound 
that hard but very tedious. The nature of this program requires that it 
will be doing this all the time that it is running so it can always be 
in a "saved" state on the drive.


The docs are pretty clear on what the parameters are but not on how I 
would actually implement this in a real program.


Is there a tutorial somewhere that I missed?

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos

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Re: Resetting a router

[Bill Vlahos]

Another option is the brute force approach which is to buy a 
programmable timer that power cycles the router. Timex makes a 7-day 
programmable digital timer which could, for example, be set to turn the 
outlet off every Sunday a 3:00am and back on at 3:01am or whatever 
settings you want. This timer is less than $15 and has a built in clock 
and backup battery. I got mine at Target.


Of course it won't do it in response to an actual problem so it isn't 
as smart as some of the other suggestions but it is pretty cheap.


What you describe for the HTML in Rev should be completely doable as 
long as the router is alive enough to actually work and accept the 
reset command. Since the router is already compromised it may not 
reliably work.


Bill

On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Mark Smith wrote:


Hi all.

 I have, at my workplace, an OS X machine that collects various bits 
of data from various places on the web at preset times (I have rev 
apps that are started as cron jobs that do the work). From time to 
time, the router drops the internet connection and generally seems to 
get it's little knickers in a twist. Resetting the router sorts it 
out, and I've created an ugly Rev/Applescript/QuicKeys combo that will 
reset the router if I'm not physically present, and, of course, it 
only seems to happen when I'm not there


I was away for a month just recently, and it all went wrong after 
about two weeks, so until I got back to reset things, the data was not 
collected. I can't help feeling that a simpler, probably Rev only 
solution would be more reliable, but I can't figure out how to get Rev 
to login to the router and press the right HTML buttons to do it.


Has anyone here had similar experiences and found a solution?

This is a Belkin adsl modem/router box, that has the usual HTML based 
control interface.


Thanks for any help,


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Re: Noob: Amazed yet confused - Dreamcard vs Revolution

[Bill Vlahos]

David,

Welcome to the Revolution.

I believe you are pretty much the exact market for DreamCard. It should 
do nicely for you.


Being able to create standalone applications is great and if you decide 
you want to be able to do that later you can simply upgrade then. There 
are some other advantages to Revolution but not for the uses you 
describe.


Enjoy.

Bill Vlahos

On Aug 8, 2005, at 6:19 PM, David Bakody wrote:


Hello to this amazing group:

I stumbled onto Dreamcard after linking to a forum posting regarding a 
review of the most recent release of RealBASIC on OSNews.  One thing 
led to another and now here I am.
I've been playing with the eval of Dreamcard and am amazed yet 
confused.  On the one hand, I felt like waxing nostalgic for my old 
Hypercard days back in the late 1980's, so much so that I fired up an 
old Quadra 650 (still runs after all these years) and started toying 
around with Hypercard again to help jog my memory and gain a better 
understanding of Dreamcard.  In so many ways I lament the things Apple 
has discarded (OpenDoc, Hypercard, GameSprockets, to name just a 
few...).


I feel I should note that not only did I search the archives before 
asking a question, I downloaded and imported the ENTIRE archives into 
Thunderbird as the archives are THAT good.  The answers I found 
kinda-sorta answered my question, but I remain a bit unclear...


Here's my question:
The only difference I can find between Dreamcard and Revolution is 
that the latter can produce standalone apps, whereas the former 
requires a player.  Assuming I merely want to develop applications for 
myself that relate to my practice of real estate / law / etc, is 
Dreamcard sufficient?  These will be modest applications (lead 
generation / tracking, client management, simple databases, case 
management, etc).  Likewise, I envision sharing some of my work 
product with my peers to run on their own respective workstations 
(non-commercial, just plain old sharing and love), but I am a bit 
concerned as to whether or not the "player" will permit me to share my 
work in a usable manner.  If indeed it does - Dreamcard is an 
incredible deal.


Apologies in advance if this question has been asked a million times.
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Re: Run as Windows service

[Bill Vlahos]

Xavier,

Will this process start a "normal" Rev application faceless or do I 
need to prep the Rev application somehow to run without a window?


Can I tell when a user is logged into the computer? I want the Windows 
service application to launch a regular Rev windowed application but 
only when the user is logged in but not if the user has logged out.


Thanks,
Bill Vlahos


On Aug 8, 2005, at 6:11 PM, MisterX wrote:


Services are usually faceless applications Derek ;)

In the windows resourcekit there is a programmed named
srvany.exe. Search it in technet.Microsoft.com, you'll
find what you're looking for.

First you compile the application (with a startup handler
to run it)...

Then you set the srvany and link your application to a
service that you create with srvany.

That's it... when the service is started, you app should be
running. It's useful to keep a text log of the operations to
keep track of it's running status too...

I've posted this previously in the list too. If you search
the archives, you should find it...

cheers
Xavier


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To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Run as Windows service

Bill Vlahos wrote:

I have an application in Rev I want to run as a Windows service
because I don't want the user to be able to quit it.

How do I make a Rev app run this way?


Well, I don't know about running a Rev Standalone as a
service, but you could do the following...


1. Make a Setup program that installs your standalone and
also adds an
entry to the Registry to startup the program during Window's boot.

2. Set the decorations to empty.  I know this removes the
titleBar and
window border, but it also removes the taskbar button.  This way you
could either hide the window (if it's a background service)
or keep the
window open but it can't be hidden.


This should work just fine.  Hope this helps.  Oh, a great free setup
program builder is called InnoSetup.  Most major companies
use it, and
it's very expandable.  Oh, it's free...can't beat that!


Derek Bump
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Run as Windows service

[Bill Vlahos]

I have an application in Rev I want to run as a Windows service  
because I don't want the user to be able to quit it.


How do I make a Rev app run this way?

Bill Vlahos
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Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

[Bill Vlahos]

What really drives me crazy is when a left handed person customizes  
their mouse and switches the buttons. The left button becomes the  
contextual button and the right button is for selecting.


Since it is all done in software there are no hints that the mouse is  
different other than it is almost always left of the keyboard.


Bill

On Aug 3, 2005, at 9:56 AM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

A number of times I have been called on to help "novice" computer  
users with problems on their PCs.  When I ask them to right click  
on something, they invariable had never used the right mouse  
button.  From then on, every time I ask them to click on something,  
they ask "right or left button?"   There is a lot to be said for  
simplicity.  Apple did a lot of user testing to determine a one- 
button mouse is less confusing, but as Richard points out, computer  
novices are becoming more and more extinct...


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Re: "Decompile" Windows RR application

[Bill Vlahos]

If you didn't encrypt it or remove the source code then you should be  
able to get it back. More difficult if you did those things.


Bill

On Aug 3, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Ton Kuypers wrote:


Hi gang,

I've had a disk-crash a couple of months ago and lost almost all  
files on that disk.
Among the lost files is also the RR source of a program I've  
created. The only thing I have is the windows exe file.


Is there a way to "decompile" this back to a working RR project (or  
even just parts of it) or do I just start all over again?


Ton Kuypers

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Re: [OT] Pigs Fly --a rose by any other name...

[Bill Vlahos]

They say it can act like a single button mouse if you like but it  
actually IS a multi-button mouse. I'll have to see it to see how well  
it works but there are sensors in the front for both a left and right  
mouse button action.


It looks interesting. I really like my Kensington Optical Elite  
(scroll wheel multbutton) mouse. Hopefully Apple did a great job on  
this but we will just have to try it.


The most interesting aspect to me is the advancement on the scroll  
wheel so that it moves in all directions. This could be really good  
if it is well done.


The only real concern I have is in the feedback to the user of  
actions. A nice tactile feel and click is a good thing. I've never  
really liked the idea of sounds (like from a little speaker in the  
mouse) as the only feedback. We will have to try it to see.


Bill

On Aug 2, 2005, at 5:08 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Folks,

I hate to rain on your parade, but it IS a single button mouse.   
Apple goes to great pains to point this fact out, just so they can  
say they have not abandoned the single button mouse philosophy.   
There is a single button.  The touch sensors are on the left and  
right sides (like holding down the control key when clicking the  
single button mouse now).  I guess pushing on the scroll button  
clicks the mouse with neither right or left touch sensors  
activated, so it is a third kind of click.  The side "force" sensor  
is not technically a button either.  The whole mouse moves down to  
activate the button --it is one big button.


The lengths a company will go to just to never admit they were  
wrong.  All I can say, is:  If it walks like a duck and quacks like  
a duck, it must be a rose...


Dennis

On Aug 2, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:




On Aug 2, 2005, at 5:12 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:



Just as I'd heard from Punxatawny Phil, the Prognosticator of  
Prognosticators, Apple is finally joining the rest of the  
industry in shipping a multi-button mouse for its customers:


New Mouse for Macs Has Multiple Buttons






It's not a multi-button mouse, it's a zero button mouse!!! :D less  
is more


(it uses a touch sensor and it has a internal speaker for sound  
feedback... clever ain't it. Tech is derived from iPod scroll  
wheel tech.)


Cheers
andre

PS: I want one!


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Re: Shell command doesn't give feedback until done

[Bill Vlahos]

The ampersand doesn't seem to work to run asynchronously.

Bill

On Jun 2, 2005, at 8:10 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

OK, since I started us down a dead-end path, here's some goodies  
that DO work.

Create a new stack. Put the handlers below in the stack script.
Now create one large scrolling field.

Now run this in your message box, a lengthy shell task (finding all  
html files in your Applications directory):


## RUN find /Applications/ -name '*.html as an asynchronous task  
and stream the data back

put async_shell("find /Applications/ -name '*.html'") into tProcessID
repeat while async_process_alive(tProcessID)
   put async_shell_get_data(tProcessID) into fld 1
   wait 1 second with messages
end repeat
put async_shell_get_data(tProcessID) into fld 1

It could use a little polishing, but it works! Asynchronous shell  
tasks on MacOS X...!


###

global _async_shell_counter, _async_shell_map

function async_shell tCmd
  if (_async_shell_counter is empty) then put 1 into  
_async_shell_counter

  else add 1 to _async_shell_counter

  put specialFolderPath("temporary") into tFilePath
  if (last char of tFilePath <> "/") then put "/" after tFilePath
  put ("revTmp"&_async_shell_counter&".out") after tFilePath

  put tCmd&" &> "&tFilePath&" & echo $!" into tCmd

  put shell(tCmd) into tProcessID
  put tFilePath into _async_shell_map[tProcessID]

  return tProcessID
end async_shell

function async_process_alive tProcessID
  put shell(("ps -p"&&tProcessID)) into tProcessList
  return (offset(tProcessID, tProcessList) > 0)
end async_process_alive

function async_shell_get_data tProcessID
  return url ("file:"&_async_shell_map[tProcessID])
end async_shell_get_data


Ugh. I just tried this and it doesn't work in Rev- although it's  
the standard way to deal with this sort of task in a terminal.
I'm guessing that Rev refuses to return until the process is  
completely terminated- and opens a whole new shell environment  
every time you call shell(). How rude!


Now picking for a workaround... sorry for the false alarm.



On 6/2/05 4:23 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:



Agh, sorry- I obviously missed the point of the thread.
Add an ampersand after your command:
get shell("mycommand > mylogfile.log &")
Voila, a "backgrounded" process that returns immediately.



Oh cool. I will go try it. I have a use for this. :)

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Re: running rev cgi on Mac OS 8.6 Personal web server?

[Bill Vlahos]

Andre,

I don't really know if people "need" this any more as I suspect that 
most have moved on to the UNIX way of doing things but it is very cool.


If you do implement it then I suspect a number of people would find it 
interesting.


Bill Vlahos

On Jun 5, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

As of now, RevHTTPd is source compatible with libCGI meaning that cgis 
coded for libCGI will work out of the box in RevHTTPd, would be 
usefull to expand RevHTTPd so that it could launch ACGI and/or receive 
ACGI calls from MacHTTP and WebStar? Do people need this?


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Re: running rev cgi on Mac OS 8.6 Personal web server?

[Bill Vlahos]

Ah. But you forget MacHTTP (http://www.machttp.org/) which is the 
original web server. At one time it was the most popular web server on 
the planet. MacHTTP is still available and works very well.


However, Andre's got a pretty neat idea here 
(http://homepage.mac.com/soapdog/rev/revhttpd.html) so I would check it 
out too. It sounds like it would be a good fit for what you want to do.


Bill Vlahos

On Jun 5, 2005, at 8:35 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

Wow classic machine, gotta love those! The only HTTPd server I 
remember for classic (by 'I remember' read 'affordable') was 
SocialEngs server which I think is out of business now. I'll propose 
another option for you, not CGI based but RevHTTPd based.


RevHTTPd is a webserver written in Rev, it's pure transcript based so 
it will run on your machine fine. If you just want to share the 
stacks, then that's plain easy, I can show you how to do it, you'll 
launch the app, your mates will point their browsers to your IP and 
they will see a nice page with your stacks available for download. If 
you want to run the stacks on webspace, then you can do it too, just 
tweek here and there and they will run on RevHTTPd, the new version 
that will be debuted in RevConWest is source compatible with libCGI so 
anything that runs in one will run in the other. I think it's pretty 
cool and that you can use it.


I can assist you on that if you explain me better what you're trying 
to do.


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Shell command doesn't give feedback until done

[Bill Vlahos]

I am using this command:  put shell(command()) into field "status"  
which works.


How can I solve these 2 problems?

1.The UI is frozen until the the command completes.

2.The "status" field isn't updated until the command completes.   
I would like to see feedback as the shell command is running.


The shell command could take a long time to run and it returns  
informational feedback during the process which would be good to  
display to the user.


The Rev documentation states:
The value returned by the shell function is the result of the  
commandLine, including any error messages the commandLine  
generates. (On Unix systems, the stdout and stderr are combined to  
create the return value.) The current handler pauses until the  
shell returns its result. If the command was successful but did not  
return anything, the shell function returns empty.

It looks to me like the feedback I want is not possible. Is it?

Bill Vlahos
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Re: Physiological data acquisition via USB

[Bill Vlahos]

Would this product do what you want?
http://www.bkohg.com/service_e.html
	• 	OSX-examples for RealBasic 4.5, AppleScript, FileMaker 6 and 7, 
RagTime 5, 4th Dimension, Macromedia Director MX, Xcode, MaxMSP, 
CodeWarrior 7, LabView 7 and Java.
Bill Vlahos
On Apr 12, 2005, at 4:47 AM, David Glasgow wrote:
OK, Timothy Miller's experiences seem fairly typical.  Monte's post 
hoc parsing is a bit more promising.

What I want to do is develop an existing rev project further.  I have 
folks sequentially viewing and rating images as part of a 
psychological assessment of sex offenders.  (Incidentally, after years 
of development, it is now working sweetly across platforms and is 
generating a fair bit of interest in the field.  Couldn't have done it 
without Rev! - or this list, for that matter)

What I would like to do is capture physiological data while they are 
engaged in this task, to see if there is any association between, say 
GSR and Heart Rate, and the ratings made/images viewed.  The problem 
of post hoc parsing is making sure that data is accurately matched to 
the corresponding image.  Ideally, the data would be gathered during 
the slide show and parsed on the fly (or maybe in the gaps between 
images).

What is really frustrating is, as Elizabeth Dalton pointed out in her 
post last year,  a somewhat 'new age' sounding game that costs $159 ( 
http://www.wilddivine.com ) does on Win and Mac what it seems 
impossible to do with equipment costing 10 times as much.

Best Wishes,
David Glasgow
http://www.i-psych.co.uk
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Re: ARE YOU SERIOUS REV TEAM? MAJOR SCRIPT EDITOR ISSUES

[Bill Vlahos]

Just to let you know that I've been developing in the IDE for years and 
have never lost code or had most of the problems you described.

Bill Vlahos
On Apr 9, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Peter Armstrong wrote:
Yes
I can see that Rev could be the tool of preference for
my team, however I can not see them scripting in the
IDE right now.
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Re: [ann] vObject Package Pre-Release (vCard and iCalendar)

[Bill Vlahos]

Andre,
Thanks for this. Your timing is impeccable. I was just about to tackle 
vCard import/export myself for a project and you saved me time.

Thank you,
Bill Vlahos
On Apr 5, 2005, at 4:52 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
Hi Folks,
since some folks here showed growing interest in the vObject package, 
I am releasing a pre-release, it's fully working just the 
documentation is not fully done yet.
The Package contains:
* vObject Package main stack -- That is the mainstack, it contains 
some documentation as well as the RFCs that spec vCard and iCalendar
* vObjectLib -- the library, just start using it, also the true 
documentation is inside the stack script.
* vcarddemo -- a simple vCard demo, that can export and import vCards.

In the next days, I'll finish the docs and create iCalendar examples. 
iCalendar is missing the docs and examples, but the routines are 
there. Please read all and send feedback
the stack is at:

go stack url "http://www.soapdog.org/vObjectPackage.rev";
568k stack
Need Feedback
Andre
--
Andre Alves Garzia  2004
Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL
http://studio.soapdog.org
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SNMP software in Rev

[Bill Vlahos]

I'd like to write an app that queries SNMP MIBs from network switches 
and routers. Can anyone tell me how to do SNMP queries in Rev?

There was a program " LG Network Manager" on the MetaCard web site 
which spoke SNMP but the link for it doesn't go anywhere and a Google 
search doesn't come up with anything.

Bill Vlahos
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Re: OT: Severe Mac Mini problem

[Bill Vlahos]

Terry,
I'd check with Dr. Bott 
(http://www.drbott.com/prod/db.lasso?QuickSearch=gHead) about their 
gHead product. It is a $20 VGA adapter that fools the computer into 
thinking the monitor can do every resolution there is. I think the 1024 
x 768 resolution would then stick. Your AppleScript might work with 
this setup.

Most people use the gHead for Macs that run headless or with a KVM 
switch so they can run Timbuktu, or something similar, on it. They are 
very helpful and would be able to tell you if it will work for you or 
if there is another solution.

Bill Vlahos
On Mar 13, 2005, at 9:39 PM, Terry Vogelaar (de Mare) wrote:
Hi all,
I have a severe problem with a Mac Mini I bought and I hope someone 
can help me. I am sorry for this off-topic post, but I wouldn't know 
who else I could ask.

I made an application in Revolution to display texts on a LCD 
projector. I previously used a mediaeval Windows laptop to run that 
on, but it responded way too slow. So I bought a Mac mini 10 days ago 
and tried it. But it didn't work. I called the Apple helpdesk and they 
didn't have a clue. I got some tips on other lists; some useful 
responses but still the problem isn't solved.

The problem is (probably) that when the Mac detects a monitor it 
hasn't known yet, it defaults to the 800x600 resolution during 
startup. But the LCD projector accepts only 1024x768 or higher. 
Because the previous monitor used a 1024x768 resolution it starts with 
that. So first it shows the grey Apple logo with the spinning wheel. 
But then it detects the unknown screen and defaults to the unsupported 
800x600 resolution, so the screen turns blue. Because the Mac Mini 
only can use 1 screen at a time, I couldn't think of a way to change 
the settings without being able to see the screen.

So do any of you know a solution to this problem? Are there 'hubs' to 
split one VGA signal into two 'screens' (that both display the same)? 
Is there a way to change the default settings to a higher resolution?

I tried an AppleScript that ran on startup to change the screen 
settings automatically. The script worked with my test monitor; not 
with the LCD projector. Others suggested to boot the Mac Mini without 
monitor and then connect the LCD projector. No result. I also heard 
that hitting F7 might help. Nothing. Also booting with another 
monitor, switching to 1024x768 and then connecting the LCD projector 
didn't work.

Any other suggestions?
Terry
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Re: Arithmetic operations on dates ?

[Bill Vlahos]

I believe it is 2am.
Bill Vlahos
On Mar 6, 2005, at 8:56 AM, Michael D Mays wrote:
 put "2005,2,29,0,0,0,0" into someDate
 convert someDate to dateItems
someDate will be "2005,3,1,0,0,0,3"
If I say
 put "2005,3,6,23,59,59,0" into aTimeDate
 add 1 to 1 to item 6 of aTimeDate
 convert aTimeDate to long date
aTimeDate is
  'Monday, March 7, 2005'
What days is Rev starting the day at 1 am or 2 am or 3 am?
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Re: New user just introducing myself...

[Bill Vlahos]

On Feb 19, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Todd Higgins wrote:
Like Len Morgan (another Revolution beginner on the list - Hi Len) I 
am having a hard time grokking Revolution.  It seems like most people 
who come to Revolution have had previous experience with Hypercard 
(alas I was not so lucky, the first Mac I bought was a IIsi and it 
only came with the Hypercard player and I could not find the "full" 
version.)

 I am an experienced computer user,  who has dabbled with Applescript 
and some shell scripting for my customers, but I have never worked in 
an IDE and have never developed a GUI tool.  (My daytime job is  
"System Engineer" where I work on OS X Servers and W2K Servers)
The syntax for Revolution is very similar to AppleScript. It is 
difficult to write an "application" in AppleScript. I've done it but 
that isn't what it is really for (or shell scripting either). 
Revolution, like AppleScript, makes it fairly easy to "read" programs 
that someone else wrote. An AppleScript "tells" some other program what 
to do. You might change the metaphor for Revolution to be that an 
object (button, URL, external event, field, whatever) tells something 
within your program what to do, display something, get information or 
put information from somewhere external to your application.
When I was evaluating Revolution previously, I remember seeing a 
tutorial section under help.  I couldn't seem to find it in the 2.5 
version, so I just ordered Dan's book : )
I think you will like his book and it will give you a pretty good idea 
of what you are asking here.
What other good habits would I do well to develop?  Also, what plugins 
or externals do people consider "essential" to the Revolution 
development experience?  I have read about a few on the list, but I'm 
not sure if the apply to me (or if I would just be unnecessarily 
complicating my learning curve)  Any suggestions will be gratefully 
accepted!
I haven't needed any externals yet and while I do find some of the 
plugins useful at times I actually use them fairly sparingly. Navigator 
is pretty useful once you get going but I wouldn't consider it a newbie 
tool.

Unlike traditional programming environments that don't have an IDE (or 
AppleScript that doesn't really have an interface at all), Revolution 
turns the paradyme around. Draw your screen, place buttons, fields, 
graphics, menus, etc. first then assign actions to those objects. 
Pretend like you know what you want your application to do, draw it the 
way you want to see it, and then program the objects (buttons, menu 
actions, external triggers, whatever...).

Welcome to the Revolution.
Bill Vlahos
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Re: A Revolution beginner seeks advice...

[Bill Vlahos]

On Feb 16, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Karen wrote:
So at the moment I'm tempted to buy a licence for Revolution (Dreamcard
seems nice but limited since I'd like to be able to build standalone
applications).  I'm still playing around with the demo to try 
converting
some REALbasic apps to Revolution to get a feel for what it can and 
can't
do.
Building standalones is very nice and probably worth it to you. 
Dreamcard is a good beginner/hobbyist license.
However, I have some questions that I was hoping that you might be 
able to
help with.  My main concern is learning the Revolution scripting 
language,
which seems quite a bit different to anything I'm used to.  Is there a
shortcut to doing this - would the book "Software at the Speed of 
Thought"
be a help here?  Is it worth getting the printed manuals?  Am I best 
just to
rely on the various web resources?
Dan's book is terrific and you would likely get a lot out of them. I 
would only get the printed manuals if you find the online help 
cumbersome or you just want to curl up with a printed book. I purchased 
the printed manuals to have as a reference but I rarely use them 
because the online system is so good combined with this email list 
which is outstanding.
I also wonder about the "Update pack" - it seems pretty expensive, is 
it
worth buying?  Or am I best to wait until an update appears that I 
really
want and then take out a renewal?  Given that I've sunk a lot of money 
into
REALbasic, I'm keen to keep any new expenditure down!
Revolution has consistently improved with each version. Unless you know 
for sure that you want to stay on the Revolution road (I do and have 
never regretted it) I'd go ahead and see how much you like the current 
version first. It is a very complete development system as it is now. 
You can always decide to upgrade later.

Welcome to the Revolution.
Bill Vlahos
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Re: Listserver/email inbound and outbound

[Bill Vlahos]

Mike,
I think this is a nifty idea once it is fleshed out a bit.
On Feb 10, 2005, at 3:46 AM, Mike Doub wrote:
Hello List,
I am thinking about writing a custom listserver type application but I 
don't
know that much about how to get my system to be a mail host.  I am 
looking
for advice about any tools or scripts that could get me started.
There was a very recent thread on how to make an email server directly 
from a Revolution app.
I am interested in experimenting with the idea of a list server that 
you
subscribe to topics rather than to the whole list.  My idea is that 
everyone
would have an "announcement" channel that could be configurable by 
keywords
and searchable via the web.  The user then "subscribes" to topics of
interest.

This crazy idea came from trying to work the communication problem of
wanting to be part of discussion about specific software bugs. Think of
subscribing to the discussion tied to a specific bugzilla bug.  Most 
folks
have a few favorite bugs that they would like to monitor, but not 
really all
of them.

I would appreciate people's thoughts on both the inbound and outbound 
side
of email, with Rev as the code managing the behavior of the list 
server.
The toughest part of this is coming up with the new metaphor for 
choosing how to be selective. It seems to me that a keyword 
specification is problematic because both the subscriber and subscribee 
would be making somewhat arbitrary choices on the words that were not 
included at all (thereby missing the thread) or were included 
incidentally (thereby increasing the noise).

However, I think what might be really interesting would be not only the 
listserver type application but an information server application. I'm 
thinking of something like a bulletin board (either server based or 
client based [think RevNet]) where there would be channels of 
discussions. It seems like the most difficult opportunity is how to 
organize the channels. This could be a new type of application.

Bill Vlahos
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Re: Metal anomalies

[Bill Vlahos]

Dragging the window IS the correct behavior for metal on OS X. Without 
the suggested handlers, applications with the metal look don't behave 
normally and they should IMHO.

Bill Vlahos
On Feb 9, 2005, at 12:09 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
I'm not sure how the engine could know for sure that
it's supposed to move the stack around, but that may
just be my puny brains ;-)
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Re: check box help

[Bill Vlahos]

Checking and unchecking the button is the same hiliting it. Just make a 
new check button and put the following script in it.

on mouseUp
  if the hilite of me is true then
beep
  else
  end if
end mouseUp
You should only hear the beep when putting a check in the box.
Bill Vlahos
On Feb 1, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:
How do you make a check box carry out instructions when checked or not 
checked?

EX:
  Do one thing when checked, do another thing when unchecked
Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org
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Re: Getting up-to-date w/ RunRev 1.1.1 and Mac OS X Panther

[Bill Vlahos]

This was a problem with 1.1.1 that was never fixed. It IS a native app 
(CARBON vs. Cocoa) but is misidentified as a classic app. Panther seems 
to be more strict at taking the application at its word. There was some 
discussion about this before and someone gave the fix which correctly 
identifies the application but I don't remember what it was.

Obviously this is corrected on more recent versions of Revolution.
Bill Vlahos
On Jan 28, 2005, at 7:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/28/05 9:33:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Get Info on the Rev app itself and see if it calls itself a Classic
application. It sounds to me like you are running the Classic version.
Looking at the copies I have here, Rev 1.1.1 for Mac was released as 
two
separate downloads -- one was Classic and the other was OS X.

Name: Revolution
Kind: Application
Size: 2 MB on disk
(2,123,920 bytes)
Created: Friday, December 7, 2001 4:17 PM
Modified: Monday, April 1, 2002 4:31 PM
Version: 1.1.1, Copyright (c) 2000-2002 Runtime Revolution Ltd.
Revolution 1.1.1 itself runs native in Mac OS X in both Jaguar and 
Panther on
my wife's PowerBook, and the built apps run native in Jaguar, but not 
in
Panther --- just trying to find a work-around for that last so I can 
distribute
things for people who are current in their OS X upgrades.

William
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Re: Text box entery

[Bill Vlahos]

Paul,
SImple. Trap on keydown and build the contents of the field. After the 
6th character simple pass the enter key.

Bill Vlahos
On Jan 28, 2005, at 6:59 PM, Paul Salyers wrote:

To everyone that has help me on my Rev question, THANK YOU, with out 
your help I would have gave up on Rev long ago.

However now I need to learn how to input characters in a text box, 
this text box will always 6 characters alpha-numerals then after the 
6th characters is typed in I want it to auto continue (pressing of the 
enter key) without the user doing anything.

NO non alpha-numerals will be used. This is not a password so blocking 
the characters from showing is not needed.


Paul Salyers
PS1 - Senior Rep.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Http://ps1.SoftSeven.org
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Problem building standalone message

[Bill Vlahos]

I have a simple stack (2 cards) which no longer allows me to build a 
standalone. It just gives me a cryptic message saying that it 
encountered an error. I'm guessing that there is some sort of problem 
with something on the stack or on a card. I built a standalone when it 
was only one card without problems so I suspect it is something on the 
second card.

My question is is there a way to get more information than the simple 
dialog box to tell me what the problem is? I can start deleting things 
at random (there are not that many components but it would be much 
better to be more cluefull about this.

The stack runs fine in the IDE (Mac OS X building OS X and Windows 
standalones).

Bill Vlahos
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Re: Credit card processing

[Bill Vlahos]

Another option would be to go with Kagi (http://www.kagi.com). They 
have a module that you can put into your Revolution application for 
this.

Bill Vlahos
On Jan 21, 2005, at 8:49 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
Since posting a related question back in early December, we've signed 
up with Authorize.net to use their card processing payment gateway. We 
need to get credit card information from our Rev application to 
Authorize.net and retrieve the results of the transaction back to our 
app. (We do not have the ability to do any of this from a standard 
browser. It all must all happen from within our Rev application.) 
Configuring the data fields and data stream Authorize needs is not 
difficult. The question is, how to establish and open the secure 
connection.

The following information is from the Authorize.net implementation 
guide. Given this info, it seems we might need to use the Open Secure 
Socket and Encrypt commands to start the process, but we really have 
no idea of the syntax required. Also, how is an SSL certificate 
involved in this process?

Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies
--
How Does AIM Work?
When using AIM, transactions flow in the following way:
   1. The Merchant’s server initiates a secure connection to the 
payment gateway and then initiates an HTTPS POST of the transaction 
data to the gateway server
   2. The payment gateway receives and processes the transaction data
   3. The payment gateway then generates and submits the transaction 
response to the Merchant’s server
   4. The Merchant’s server receives and processes the response
   5. Finally, the Merchant prints a receipt and obtains the 
cardholder’s signature to complete the transaction

What is Required to Implement AIM?
Merchants must be able to perform the following functions in order to 
submit transactions to the gateway using AIM:

   1. Establish a secure socket connection
   2. Provide both server and client side encryption
   3. Develop scripts on a Web server for the integration to the 
gateway (e.g., for submitting transaction data and receiving system 
responses)

AIM Implementation
To implement AIM, a developer would design a script that can do the 
following:

   1. Securely obtain all of the information needed to process a 
transaction
   2. Initiate a secure HTTPS form POST from the merchant’s server to:

https://cardpresent.authorize.net/gateway/transact.dll
   3. Receive the response from the gateway and process the response 
to display the appropriate result to the end user

Note:For reasons of security, use only port 443 for AIM 
information transfers.

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Re: Set icon of button to a graphic

[Bill Vlahos]

Thanks Chipp and Ben. Chipp's script did the trick and I'll use Ben's 
suggestion of converting it to a PNG for transparency.

Bill Vlahos
On Jan 9, 2005, at 7:07 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Hi Bill
You can try this. Creat a button and put this in the script:
on mouseUp
  put the windowId of this stack into tWinID
  put the rect of grc "redCircle" into tRect
  import snapshot from rectangle tRect of window tWinID
  set the name of last img to "redCircle"
end mouseUp
This will create an image from the graphic "redCircle" which you can 
now use to create your buttons.

best,
Chipp
Bill Vlahos wrote:
I want to show if an object is either too hot, too cold, or within 
normal temperature range? I was thinking that a simple circle filled 
with green, blue, or red with the temperature next or under it would 
be an easy way to tell at a glance if things are normal. I was 
thinking that if I create a button with the icon set to one of the 3 
images and setting the label of the button to the temperature would 
do the trick. I would simply set the icon of the button to one of the 
three "colors".
I created a 3 small circle graphics (one with each color) but I can't 
seem to select those for the button icon as they are a "graphic" not 
an "image".
How can I convert a graphic to an image?
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Set icon of button to a graphic

[Bill Vlahos]

I want to show if an object is either too hot, too cold, or within 
normal temperature range? I was thinking that a simple circle filled 
with green, blue, or red with the temperature next or under it would be 
an easy way to tell at a glance if things are normal. I was thinking 
that if I create a button with the icon set to one of the 3 images and 
setting the label of the button to the temperature would do the trick. 
I would simply set the icon of the button to one of the three "colors".

I created a 3 small circle graphics (one with each color) but I can't 
seem to select those for the button icon as they are a "graphic" not an 
"image".

How can I convert a graphic to an image?
Bill Vlahos
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Re: Files

[Bill Vlahos]

There are two ways to do this.
1. If you create a standalone app it won't be able to save the data 
within itself but you could easily have it save a text or binary file 
which it could open. There are ways to encrypt the file if needed since 
it would contain passwords.

2. Create a standalone which opens the stack containing the data. That 
data can be saved with the stack. This is the model that DreamCard is 
based on but you can duplicate the functionality yourself.

Bill Vlahos
On Jan 2, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Robert Sabo wrote:
Ok quick question. Lets say I am going to make a
program that you add accounts to. And for these
accounts the program must know a username and
password. Well, I need for the program to remember the
username and password after I exit the program. So how
would I have it save these to a file and then open
them back up and remember them correctly?
Uhh... lets say my username field is called "username"
and my password field is called "password" if anything
deals with those.
Also, how would I create a standalone program?
Thanks for putting up with my noobishness,
Robert

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Windows logoff command

[Bill Vlahos]

We have some Win2K and WinXP computers that are used by multiple people 
with Active Directory authentication. Sometimes users forget to log out 
when the are done and the computer locks with the screen saver. Only 
the users who locked it or an administrator can unlock it. There does 
not appear to be a setting that will log the user out instead of simply 
locking the screen.

1. Is there a command I can write in Revolution to log the user off?
	2. How can I tell if the screen is locked, get triggered by the system 
when the screen locks, and/or mimic an inactivity timer?

	3. If I can write a program to do this, how can I run it as a service 
so the user can't quit it?

Bill Vlahos
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Re: Image change on mouseover

[Bill Vlahos]

No need to store an image as a custom property. Simply add the two 
images to the stack and set them either with mouseEnter/Leave or 
setting the images and them arming the button (assuming you have set 
the images in a button).

Bill Vlahos
On Dec 5, 2004, at 6:06 PM, Gordon wrote:
Dear Revolutionaries
How do I store 2 images so that I can switch between
them using the mouseEnter and mouseLeave commands on
an image control, making the image change when I
mouseover it?
I believe there is a way to store an image in a custom
property - how does one  do this and how would I refer
to it to reset the image?
Best
Gordon
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Re: Add fields from stack in data directory to standalone

[Bill Vlahos]

My stack stores its data in custom properties so it should be protected 
the same way that the scripts are. My understanding is that text in 
fields is not protected by the password but text in custom properties 
is.

I'm wondering the best way to provide strong encryption of the data.
Bill
On Dec 5, 2004, at 3:19 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
Keep the data in a stack and set the password of the stack.
Bill Vlahos wrote:
I have an application which would fit this model but the data that 
is stored will need to be protected. How would I go about encrypting 
the data file either in a stack or as a file?
Chipp, how is setting a password going to protect data? Unless it is 
entered as scripts it will remain unprotected. Or did I miss some 
changes and the custom properties can now be password protected?

Robert
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