Re: Skipping a mark card
'Skipping the difficult bits' is a well-documented sport, as well as 'Jumping to conclusions' and 'Running a temperature': http://openlibrary.org/books/OL2875493M/Alice_through_the_needle's_eye So 'Skipping a marked card' is an extremely SHARP thing to do; mind you I don't how much money I would plonk down on the table if I knew my opponent was using marked cards . . . :) On 11/3/10 3:48 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Do you always want to do this, to always go to the following marked card? In other words, to always go to the second marked card during any navigation? If so, why not just lock the screen, go to the next marked card, and then go to the next marked card? It seems like an odd way to get around, though. I am missing something. Craig Newman In a message dated 11/3/10 8:46:17 AM, csz...@mac.com writes: I have a project that uses marked cards to navigate them. Aside from unmarking a card, is there a way to skip a mark card when you are using a script (go to next marked card) to go to marked cards? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
The siglum key explained.
On 10/28/10 11:21 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richmond. snip And what is the story with siglum? Well; on Mac keyboards the top-left key has a siglum: § on it, rather than a `; that key usually being to the left of the Z key. Whether § should be classified seriously as one of the sigla is a bit of a moot point; I do know that it is often used to mark secondary footnotes in 18th and 19th century books. Why the thing is on a Mac keyboard I just don't know. Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode mention at Programmers Stack Exchange
On 10/7/10 7:54 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I have to register to vote. That means someone I know nothing about has my email address and I am gonna get a whole new flurry of junk mail. Homey don' play dat! I guess I'm the only person round here that has a special e-mail address that I never, ever check which I use for those purposes. Bob On Oct 6, 2010, at 2:11 AM, RunRevPlanet wrote: Hi All, There is an entry for LiveCode at a new site called Programmers Stack Exchange in a question titled, What’s your favorite programming language? The web address for it is: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6847/whats-your-favorite-programming-language in case anyone uses that site, and would like to vote for it. -- Scott McDonald RunRevPlanet.com Components, Stacks, Tools and Resources for LiveCode www.runrevplanet.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Distinguishing between ASCII and UTF8
On 10/7/10 7:59 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Okay, so that begs the question, if there is no difference between UTF8 and ASCII, why make the distinction? I mean, what would be the point to converting from ASCII to UTF8 or vis versa if the results were always the same? Just being practical. Some of us grew up in Britain in the 60s and 70s (Oh, how depressing) and remember the feeling of moving from short trousers to long trousers; as far as I understand ASCII and UTF8 are somehow the same without the place being trashed by the . . . . . (whoops, no politics) . . . those of you who want to understand my reference should watch Carry On At Your Convenience; a light, easily digestible introduction to the politics of the early 70s. Bob On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: I have an app that needs to auto-detect Unicode and plain text, and render them correctly based on that auto-detection. I have the UTF16 stuff working, but with UTF8 I have a problem: there is no BOM to let me know if it's Unicode, and some plain text files will occasionally have high-ASCII values in them (like the dagger symbol). What patterns should I be looking for in the binary data of a file to distinguish UTF8 from plain text? Sorry, Richard, but I believe you are out of luck here. The idea behind UTF8 is that it's indistinguishable from ASCII (0-127). You may be able to scan the files, and if they are large enough, try and deduce some thing from them to know which they are. For example: On Windows, \r\n (13, 10) should terminate lines. Could very well be a text file. In ASCII there will never be a NULL terminator anywhere (byte 0). There's likely many 0-byte values in any appreciably large Unicode file. This would also be true of byte 8 (backspace) and byte 7 (the bell) and probably a few others. If the number of bytes that have the high bit (0x80) set is extremely low ( 1%) then most likely it's ASCII. HTH, Jeff M. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Distinguishing between ASCII and UTF8
On 10/7/10 8:02 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: I have a saying: You know exactly as much after you say Maybe... as you did before you said it. I always wonder about the word 'Maybe' and whether it might be almost semantically empty . . . :) Bob On Oct 6, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Jeff, Dave, Peter: thank you! Good stuff - I think I'll be able to distinguish most files using those. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT+ANN] Just finished a rather large project
On 10/7/10 8:04 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: Oh, so we are on speaking terms again and sharing tea and crumpets? ;-) Just so long as it is crumpets and not crumpet; see my posting prior to this one for contextualisation. Bob On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Jeff Massung wrote: The past 4 months for me have been pretty grueling. But me (and all the wonderful people in my team) have just finished up our latest project and sent it off to Nintendo... http://disney.go.com/disneyinteractivestudios/product.html?platform=wiigame=disneyepicmickey That is all. And thanks for anyone who put up with any short/blunt comments I've made here while working 16-hour days, 7 days a week for the past 3-4 months. ;-) Jeff M. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Distinguishing between ASCII and UTF8
On 10/7/10 9:39 PM, Jerry J wrote: On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: I still have sweaty nightmares about DOS code pages... I whisper quietly to myself in a corner: EBCDIC. --Jerry Jensen The thing that wakes me in a cold sweat at the Brahma Mahurta is the FORTRAN Format. Richmond ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RevBrowser bug
On 10/7/10 9:44 PM, Ken Ray wrote: I'm just curious, I guess... is it only during dev in the IDE that you are toggling the resizable of a stack? Or if you do it at runtime, I'd be curious to find how you're applying this functionality... In my current project I need to toggle this according to some META TAGs inside of the html source. That's what I was looking for... thanks! Ken, I was not born yesterday (LiveCode-wise) :-D Don't I know it! ;-) Very few of us were born yesterday; but when I look at LiveCode / RunRev I wish I had been: then I could have dived straight into LiveCode / RunRev without having to spend Velikovskian Ages in Chaos with FORTRAN, PASCAL, ZILOG and even relatively leverable stuff such as ToolBook. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data from USB joystick
On 26/09/2010 19:57PM, stephen barncard wrote: It's all on the net. Your cheapest and easiest solution is to use a Keyspan USB to serial adapter and Rs-232 serial protocol. Here's one hit from searching google for joystick rs232. Sooner or later, some soldering may be required. Interfacing Atari-style joysticks to PC parallel and serial portshttp://www.epanorama.net/documents/joystick/pc_misc.html I think the above is missing the point; presumably David has a USB joystick and a USB port on his target computer; so no need to do the down-and-dirty with the soldering iron. What he needs to do is ascertain is, for example, whether the USB joystick sends Unicode chars when it is moved, rather like the chars for right-arrow and left-arrow on a keyboard, and whether they are interpreted by the computer as mouseDown and mouseStillDown signals. I have a Belkin Nostromo (silly gaming pad) which I use for RunRev/LiveCode programming: now it comes with a set-up control panel where one can set all the keys, wheels and twiddly things on it to do what one wants - having set up one's preferences RunRev/LiveCode can pick up whatever I do on the Nostromo without any trouble at all. However, I suspect that David is trying to be somewhat cleverer than me, insofar as he wants to 'skip' the requirement of an intermediate, platform specific, set-up panel / driver-thingy. My own inclinations would be to run round the corner and buy a crappy USB joystick and plug the thing in, and then set up some silly little stack that will pick up the signals from the USB stick [ they cannot be that other-worldly ] and see whether they can be interpreted as KeyDown, rawKeyDown type signals . . . On 26 September 2010 06:10, David Glasgowda...@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.ukwrote: Hello folks, I really really want to make a Rev (Ooops) LiveCode app with a push pull interface like on a mixing slider, or 'dive' and 'pull up' on a plain old joystick. I have raised questions about this a few times on the list over a number of years, and got some helpful pointers. However, having followed these into the underpants of USB, I have discovered that is not a place I have the ability to work. So I give up. Is there anyone on this list who could create a cross platform extension or library thingy which would allow me to read the state(s) of an ordinary, off the shelf USB joystick? If so, what would the cost be? Best Wishes, David Glasgow i-psych.co.uk ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev script editor widow corrupted for a single stack
On 7/23/10 8:02 PM, Jim Lambert wrote: Anyone know how to deal with this? I went to edit the script of a stack and suddenly the contents of Rev's script editor displays, not the script, but a kind of image of parts of the current card! Quit restarted rev. Same thing. closed the stack opened another stack - script editor works just fine for that stack. reopened original stack - script editor wacky again. Curiously good ole tRev is able to edit the stack's scripts! this is dp 3. rolled back to dp 2 that Script editor has no trouble with editing the stack's scripts I assume this stack has become somehow corruoted BUT only in regards to dp 3's script editor. Tried 'save as' but problem is inherited by the copy of the stack. Any one see this before or know how to fix it? I'm heading into a meeting now will check back in a few hours. NOT the place for talking about 4.5 developer previews! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The State of Rev (Was Re: [ANN] Rodeo IDE preview video)
On 31/05/2010 20:46, Richard Gaskin wrote: Andre Garzia wrote: I think the market for Rev and Linux is not an end user market, like selling to users but creating custom software for enterprise and organizations and all the web stuff such as RevServer. In the future and Linux gets even more widespread, creating commercial linux tools might be a good option. 2D Boy proved that you can sell linux games and sell a lot (of course world of goo is a cross platform game, but they sold a lot of linux licenses anyway) Currently, Linux is at the pre-tipping-point stage characterized by this catch-22 as a key contributing factor: end-users want more apps on Linux before they switch, and developers want to see more end-users on Linux before they deploy. An example of this dynamic was provided by Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols of Computerworld recently: Ubuntu wants Adobe, even if Apple doesn't ... Canonical marketing manager Gerry Carr told me that in a recent survey we did of the Ubuntu User base where we got 32,000 plus responses, Adobe Photoshop as a potential application for Ubuntu got a 3.52 rating out of 5 being the second most popular potential app after Skype. Umm . . . I cannot quite see what the advantages of Adobe Photoshop are now that we have GIMP and SUMO: http://www.sumopaint.com/app/ between the 2 of them I think they have Photoshop just about sewn up. I am not trying to run down the idea of commercial software on Linux; but I would like to point out that the fact that the vast majority of Linux distros are FREE does tend to set up users to expect everything that follows to be free, and, where adequate substitutes that are free exist, tend to choose them over commercial ones; both from financial considerations and from the everything should be free mentality that Linux (and even more, everybody's favourite hairy nutcase: Stallman) pushes people towards. The most important bit of what I wrote above is: where adequate substitutes that are free exist and there's the rub: there will be a race for commercial developers to plug perceived niches where a demand exists but an Open Source / Free solution does not exist; followed by an Open Source / Free equivalent hard on its heels. The 'trick', if indeed there is a trick at all, is to find a niche which won't be plugged directly after your commercial offering by an O-S/free alternative which will make you go rajj because of all the time, RD and effort you put into your 'thing' for the peanuts you get paid before one of Saint Richard Stallman's acolytes get you by the small and curlies. I, myself, run my Macintosh on the basis of the software that comes with the system install DVD, Open Source / FREE stuff, and RunRev (which I paid for, only because there is no adequate substitute and I cannot find a suitable (FREE) anti-addiction programme to get me off it): Now part of the reason for this is: a. I cannot afford much commercial software, b. I feel slightly queasy about using pirate software (although it would be disingenuous to say I have never used it; age does funny things with one's morals), c. I can see absolutely NO reason at all to shell out hard-earned money for anything unless no other choice exists. -- I do believe that Linux might be about to tip: in fact I hope it is. However, I don't think this means that all those people who suddenly stop using Windows and Mac, will suddenly be digging deep into their wallets for costly programs such as the Adobe suite. I believe something different will happen: 1. Apple and Microsoft will have to completely rethink and rearrange their way of doing things; both need to iron out some of the warts in their operating systems. Windows, for a start, is going to have to be so much better than Linux that users are going to put up with viruses, and on top of the OS, shell out monthly fees for anti-virus sofware. Mind you, it escapes me why people do now: just run ReactOS: http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html 2. The commercial 'majors' will have to radically cut their pricing structure, and make sure that their offerings are killer apps. I am sure, should Linux 'tip', this will NOT result in a Stallmanesque heaven, where there is pie in the sky and endless free beer (well, even if only because I want to pay for RunRev 5!), but a more mixed system, with a freer sort of competition. I also hope, that to buy a laptop without anybody's OS preinstalled will not involve a hunt across 3 continents . . . :) - Quite apart from my, probably, ill-informed speculations; I do know that RunRev have to look to their Linux version and sort it out lickety-split, less they lose out to others. ___
Re: Problems setting a player object to an alias in a script
On 31/05/2010 22:04, Howard Bornstein wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:36 AM, J. Landman Gayjac...@hyperactivesw.comwrote: Try using the aliasReference function to get the real file name and set your player to that instead. Thank you thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for and solves my problem nicely. Since I may have a mix of aliases and normal files, this function makes it easy to tell if the file is an alias as well as providing the valid reference to the actual file. This was one of the multitude of Rev functions I didn't even know existed. Join the club! I've been messing around with RunRev for 9 years and I have now reached the conclusion that I know about 25% of the functions - and that's having developed quite a number of applications with the thing! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Problems setting a player object to an alias in a script
On 31/05/2010 22:14, Richard Gaskin wrote: Howard Bornstein wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:36 AM, J. Landman Gay jacque at hyperactivesw.comwrote: Try using the aliasReference function to get the real file name and set your player to that instead. Thank you thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for and solves my problem nicely. Since I may have a mix of aliases and normal files, this function makes it easy to tell if the file is an alias as well as providing the valid reference to the actual file. This was one of the multitude of Rev functions I didn't even know existed. Another example of the value of the Rev Dictionary's See Also section. :) Mmm, mmm, mmm, merr, merr, merr, so there! Really? I found aliasReference by typing in 'alias' into the search box in the top right-hand corner. --- The problem is not with the dictionary, Ding An Sich; but knowing exactly what term to type in the search box: Let's consider the word 'alias' (quite apart from the fact that in the context of WIMP GUIs on computers it has been radically resemanticised from its prototypical meaning in the non-computer world): Macintosh: Alias (actually 'alias' with the meaning of a graphic object which opens a pathway to a directory elsewhere is a Mac-specific term that I remember learning when I cracked open my first Mac with OS 7 - a bit confusing, having only worked with BBC-MOS and UNIX before that). Windows: Shortcut / reparse point (whacked-out or what?) Linux: symbolic link [I see that UBUNTU 10.04 has Make Link in its menu system - that's not going to help what Steve Jobs calls the switchers that the South African Astronaut obviously envisages converting from Windows to Ubuntu in droves.] UNIX: Symbolic Link / Soft Link / symlink and they don't all behave in the same way . . . :) --- Now, let's suppose I am a Windows-only sort of chap (I'm not); so on Iooking up Shortcut (not knowing the term 'alias' or 'symbolic link'; I will get: short Specifies a format for the date and time functions, the convert command, and the name, ID, and owner properties. and shortFilePath neither of which equate to 'alias'. Similarly with Linux; on looking up 'symbolic' the dictionary draws a complete blank. This means that, while the IDE may be, moderately, cross-platform; the dictionary is not. - There are other things one can do with aliases, I see. Sometimes in my spare time I just browse around in the Dictionary clicking See Also links, and almost always learn something new. Nice to have spare time . . . :) Personally I prefer my Sanskrit dictionary; it has, among other things, the advantage that it can be propped up next to the chopping board in the kitchen when I'm getting supper organised; no real problem with splashing ghee on the keyboard either! Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Survey Caution
On 29/05/2010 16:02, Richard Gaskin wrote: Joe F. wrote: I'm in the middle of taking this new survey when I realized that 1 is most important and 5 least important That's exactly backwards from every survey I've ever seen. Hint: 5 is greater than 1. ;) I wonder how many other results are as invalid as mine were because of that unusual scale Yes; I fell over that one about half way through; so half of my stuff is completely the wrong way round. I suppose because the whole thing is cack-handed, and many people will be caught out by it all the results will actually have no value. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Survey Caution
On 29/05/2010 20:45, Jim Kanter wrote: This is becoming an interesting survey about who actually reads instructions and who just assumes the way things are... By the time one is in one's mid-40s the brain is half-rotted . . . :) --- This is directly relevant to a current situation in my EFL school. Last week I decided to run the kids through a practise PET test; and they all f**ked-up big; this was odd as their English is reasonably good. So, after a suitable rant on my part, and suitably splashy tears on their part, we did another one (at the next class); and they all did very well indeed. The difference being simply that I went through the instructions with them before the second attempt (they had charged at the first one like a bull at the matador's cape - didn't bother to read the instructions). Now; while I'm on this particular soap-box let me have a go at the RunRev documentation: the other day I asked a question about how to duplicate a card with all its controls, scripts and so forth . . . now the reason why I asked this question is because I searched through the documentation under DUPLICATE and COPY . . . now, maybe I'm thick, or maybe it just didn't occur to me to look for CLONE; by why would it? when everything else of this sort comes under DUPLICATE. - So; there are 2 problems; coming form each end. so to speak:- 1. is the user has to read the instructions. 2. the instructions have to be written with the user in mind. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The new RunRev Survey
On 29/05/2010 21:14, Neal Campbell wrote: Surveys usually go to a percentage of the audience not the entire audience. They can extrapolate the results based on the size of the affected group. However, as the surveyors have no way of knowing who did the survey correctly, and who did it standing on their heads, the only thing that will be extrapolated is a set of data that doesn't really represent people's opinions, and it would be disingenuous to represent it as such. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Survey Caution
On 29/05/2010 23:54, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: Now; while I'm on this particular soap-box let me have a go at the RunRev documentation: the other day I asked a question about how to duplicate a card with all its controls, scripts and so forth . . . now the reason why I asked this question is because I searched through the documentation under DUPLICATE and COPY . . . now, maybe I'm thick, or maybe it just didn't occur to me to look for CLONE; by why would it? Because it's included in the See Also list for the copy command. How many people are going to read a set of documentation in such close detail? I program as an exercise in pure poetry, as artistic expression; and how many painters do you know who read everything written on the tubes of paint?? Especially the see also bits at the bottom of the 'tube'. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Survey Caution
On 30/05/2010 00:15, stephen barncard wrote: My personal experience with looking at the 'see also' links is that they are incredibly valuable when working with previously unknown functions, properties or commands. I look at see also every time I am looking up a definition or syntax and learn of alternate ways to do the same thing, or something new altogether. A learning experience every time. Well; thanks to you and Richard I think I will change my approach to the Documentation . . . :) On 29 May 2010 14:03, Richmond Mathewsonrichmondmathew...@gmail.comwrote: On 29/05/2010 23:54, Richard Gaskin wrote: How many people are going to read a set of documentation in such close detail? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Survey Caution
On 30/05/2010 00:26, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: Now; while I'm on this particular soap-box let me have a go at the RunRev documentation: the other day I asked a question about how to duplicate a card with all its controls, scripts and so forth . . . now the reason why I asked this question is because I searched through the documentation under DUPLICATE and COPY . . . now, maybe I'm thick, or maybe it just didn't occur to me to look for CLONE; by why would it? Because it's included in the See Also list for the copy command. How many people are going to read a set of documentation in such close detail? So you're implying the documentation is not good enough because you choose not to read it. Hmmm. I program as an exercise in pure poetry, as artistic expression; and how many painters do you know who read everything written on the tubes of paint?? Especially the see also bits at the bottom of the 'tube'. To be fair, See Also is the 3rd block down in the docs, pretty well above the fold. And if your tube of paint required an operating system to run, shipped with dozens of example tubes and documentation describing how best to apply the paint, explaining what media are most suitable for the paint, then it seems pretty likely you would crack open the docs at some point. Point to you . . . :) I, honestly, find that continually looking up things in the documentation can get so stifling it cramps all the other thought patterns necessary to program effectively. Please. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Panorama of my local iPad queue
On 28/05/2010 21:03, Colin Holgate wrote: On May 28, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Klaus on-rev wrote: But wouldn't it be nice if the rev-web plugin could also do this without QT? ;-) The shockwave version doesn't use QuickTime, but then it does have hardware 3D as a feature. I suppose you could do the same thing in Rev using the Franklin 3D add-on. Somebody wrote something just now about embedding the portable version of VLC in a stack: I don't suppose that could be done in a revlet ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
The new RunRev Survey
I have a feeling that in putting out this survey RunRev are demonstrating that they are listening (Peter A. take note): so, Please take the thing. And: DON'T discuss its contents here, as per request. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Duplicate Card ?
The answer to this one is probably moronically simple; notwithstanding that, I do not know how to do it. I have a stack with a card absolutely heaving with controls/objects and I wish to duplicate the whole thing so I have 2 cards that are identical (controls, control scripts, card script) one after the other. sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duplicate Card ?
On 28/05/2010 23:10, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Richmond Mathewson wrote: The answer to this one is probably moronically simple; notwithstanding that, I do not know how to do it. I have a stack with a card absolutely heaving with controls/objects and I wish to duplicate the whole thing so I have 2 cards that are identical (controls, control scripts, card script) one after the other. Did you try clone this cd ? No, I didn't: I was naive enough to look for a menu choice . . . :) Thanks so much. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duplicate Card ?
On 28/05/2010 23:16, Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:04:17 PM, you wrote: The answer to this one is probably moronically simple; notwithstanding that, I do not know how to do it. two more ways... the easy way: copy this card paste the hard way: command-A command-C command-N command-V Why do I have my doubts about this? Well; because experience has taught me that the layers of objects are not always preserved. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS?
On 27/05/2010 20:11, Lynn Fredricks wrote: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/26/microsofts-steve-ballmer- to-present-during-wwdc-2010-keynote/ That is weird, and raises some interesting questions - Does this mean .net for Mac, iP*? Would this also provide additional food to a federal investigation? MS previously announced that Windows Phone 7 would only support MS tools and Silverlight. Or maybe this means Silverlight on iPhone? Does this mean MS employees no longer have to hide their iPhones in Redmond? ;-) Lets see, lining up: Apple Adobe Microsoft Google and guess who gets 'squished': we do, and, maybe so does the efforts of our favourite software developer to keep up with developments. Remember Clash of the Titans? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_the_Titans_(1981_film) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Hard CASE: cracking the nut?
A while back Scott Rossi wrote: Maybe because standalones have an (editable) script limit of 10 lines, meaning you can't build scripts dynamically in standalones that exceed 10 lines. There is no such limit in the IDE. seems not to, directly refer to my script problem; EXCEPT; my problematic script (that works in a stack, but not in a standalone) thread through a variety of scripts that exceed 10 lines and reside in fields. Does anybody know if reffing scripts infields is interpreted as building scripts dynamically as they are not directly entered in the 'script space' of a particular object ? If the above is so; would I be able to circumvent the need to store socking-great scripts many times over in each object by stroing a script as a custom prop in an object than can be reffed from other objects (why do I get a funny feeling that scripts stored in custom props can only be accessed by that particular object???)? How about storing the script in the stack / card script and calling it How about running down the main street with a plastic bag on my head shouting noodly, noodly, noodly, pip, pip, pip, poop ? sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Hard CASE: cracking the nut?
Thank you for all the good advice: especially the last bit: - How about running down the main street with a plastic bag on my head shouting noodly, noodly, noodly, pip, pip, pip, poop ? If you decide to do that, take videos, please. :) However; being a bit of a slob, I have taken the easy route: instead of having 19 faux buttons (images) reffing a script stored in a field I have copied the offending script into each button. Oddly enough, considering the offending script is somewhere near 2000 lines (serious stuff), it doesn't seem to slow things down noticeably: compiles and builds as a standalone that WORKS. --- is Any script that needs do in order to execute is dynamic. adequately documented in the documentation ? When using a standalone application created by Revolution, you can include up to ten statements in the statementList. This limit is set by line 2 of the scriptLimits function. This limitation does not apply when using the development environment. Um . . . not terribly clear (well, at least not to the likes of me); how do sillybillies like me understand that a statementList ( a what ??) refers to a field or some other sort of container? --- Peter Sarstedt is singing I am balanced well, you see, I am a Cathedral locked in stain glass windows, I am a Cathedral dimly lit. and hemmed in solitude, and yet, I see a shangri-la, whenever the mountain wind blows, I see shangri-la and I touch it. And will you share, your crust of bread with me, and will you dare, to trust your head and see. and I know the feeling right now . . . :) -- relieved to have jumped that hurdle . . . ! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Microsoft to announce Visual Studio for iPhone OS?
On 27/05/2010 06:56, Richard Gaskin wrote: The weird world gets weirder: Microsoft's Steve Ballmer to Present During WWDC 2010 Keynote? Barrons reports that one analyst is predicting that Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will be part of Steve Jobs' WWDC Keynote presentation. According to Trip Chowdhry, an analyst with tiny Global Equities Research, 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' keynote is allotted for Microsoft. Microsoft will reportedly be talking about their development tool Visual Studio 2010. The new version of Visual Studio will reportedly allow developers to write native applications for the iPhone, iPad and Mac OS. http://www.macrumors.com/2010/05/26/microsofts-steve-ballmer-to-present-during-wwdc-2010-keynote/ Or, the world gets 'smellier'. Methinks Jobs had cut some sort of deal with Microsoft way before he cocked a snook at Adobe. The fast that ballmer will be presenting at the WWDC means that Jobs is going to get a slice of the pie from the version of Visual Studio for iPhone, iPad et al, while he would not have got a brass farthing from Adobe. Or, maybe, the 2 Steves are in love; mind you, sharing a bed with an iPhone and an iPad could be a bit lumpy . . . :) Let's at least hope the new Visual Studio is 100 times better than the awful MS Visual Basic 5 I had to learn at the University of Abertay: the only purpose that served was to make me realise how wonderful RunRev was by comparison! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE
Somebody on this Use-List surmised that Plovdiv, Bulgaria might be rather like Madison, Wisconsin (or thereabouts). Going in search of a new PATA 160 GB disk (not that easy now that everybody except Richmond has gone SATA) I ended up parking my car next to this place: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Plovdiv/backside-cafe/153149382431 Had no time so didn't pop in for a drink; but fell for it instantly: I mean, with a name like that, who wouldn't . . . :) Tonight I am disciplining myself to work through my CASE problem; where a CASE loop goes AWOL when the stack becomes a standalone. Theories so far: case 101 if the vis of group CONZ is true then send mouseUp to img 2327k break else send mouseUp to img f2310.png break end if doesn't hold; so . . . Perhaps: case 101 if the vis of group CONZ is true then send mouseUp to img 2327k break end if if the vis of group CONZ is false then send mouseUp to img f2310.png break end if (err . . . tried that one last night; no joy) case 101 if the vis of group CONZ is true then send mouseUp to img 2327k break end if if the vis of group VWLZ is true then send mouseUp to img f2310.png break end if (groups CONZ and VWLZ flip their visibility back and forth) if this doesn't work I will go for a pair of off-screen images that VIS in-sync with the groups and pop them into the case statement. Will keep you posted. -- May yet end up walking across town to the Backside Cafe if things get too, too other . . . :( At least I might learn some Turkish; after all, having lived on-and-off for over 10 years in a town that was part of the Ottoman Empire for some 500 years, and where 25% of the population are either Turkish-speaking ethnic Turks or Turkish-speaking ethnic Romanies it is a little bit disgraceful I have not a word of Turkish. Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE
On 25/05/2010 20:25, J. Landman Gay wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: Tonight I am disciplining myself to work through my CASE problem; where a CASE loop goes AWOL when the stack becomes a standalone. There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you whether a case instance is executing or not, which line of the script isn't activating, what the state of the variables are, whether or not the engine thinks a group is visible, and so forth. Without that, it's just stabbing in the dark trying to guess what's happening. Thanks so much; you caught me before the time I would have wasted had I not had your advice. Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE
On 25/05/2010 20:30, Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:25:49 AM, you wrote: There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you Unless you've got some trick in mind I don't know about, that isn't going to help Richmond in a standalone... The problem; very simply stated is that the CASE loop works 100% in a stack; but when built into a standalone does not. So I will have to muck around with alternative ways of doing the same thing (and in RunRev . . . Thank the Lord . . . there are many, many ways) and, each time, build a standalone and see if the thing still works. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE
On 25/05/2010 20:40, J. Landman Gay wrote: Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:25:49 AM, you wrote: There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you Unless you've got some trick in mind I don't know about, that isn't going to help Richmond in a standalone... Oh. Oops. Forgot it was a standalone thing. I guess the only recourse then is to sprinkle a bunch of answers into the code, i.e., case 101, got here, vis is true, etc. Or better, log all that to a text file. Richmond: there should be no difference between the visibility of a group in a stack and in a standalone, so I think something else is going on. My first impression was that running cross-platform would mean that the keycodes aren't the same across OSs, but if you're running the standalone on the same system you developed in, then that's not it. I'm testing on the Mac PPC I'm developing on. I'm off to have supper (Yup; 9.15 over here in the Wild East) and then boogie on down; shame, though, really, I lost track of my leopard-skin posing briefs years ago: really used to help with the coding . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE
On 25/05/2010 20:40, J. Landman Gay wrote: Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:25:49 AM, you wrote: There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you Unless you've got some trick in mind I don't know about, that isn't going to help Richmond in a standalone... Oh. Oops. Forgot it was a standalone thing. I guess the only recourse then is to sprinkle a bunch of answers into the code, i.e., case 101, got here, vis is true, etc. Or better, log all that to a text file. You know that sometimes (just sometimes, mind) I am a bit slow to think my way round things . . . Now in my 'Devawriter' I have the same problem with groups and their VIS being flipped; So: cracked open the stack and found (I mean, how come I am so flaming thick that after a matter of about 3 months I had forgotten how I effected that) that there is absolutely no reference to the VIS of a groups into which my faux buttons (images) are grouped; but to the VIS of an image outwith the group which has its visibility set to be the same as the group. Why? Probably stupid Richmond encountered the same problem just before Christmas . . . . . :( Listening to Peter Sarstedt: http://www.petersarstedt.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT)
On 25/05/2010 22:03, Jonathan Lynch wrote: May 25 is Geek Pride Day, so, just in case there are any self-proclaimed geeks on the list (such as myself): Happy Geek Pride Day :) A related wired.com article: http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/05/5-reasons-to-be-proud-on-geek-pride-day/ Cheers, Jonathan Now that's funny; in my dictionary a geek is a person who works in travelling circuses by biting the heads of live chickens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek Not something I would want to own up to; even if I did it; which, just in case you're wondering; I don't. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Plovdiv . . . / hard CASE
On 25/05/2010 20:40, J. Landman Gay wrote: Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:25:49 AM, you wrote: There's not enough info to say what's going wrong, but you'd save yourself a lot of time if you set a breakpoint near the top of the switch structure and step through it line by line. That would show you Unless you've got some trick in mind I don't know about, that isn't going to help Richmond in a standalone... Oh. Oops. Forgot it was a standalone thing. I guess the only recourse then is to sprinkle a bunch of answers into the code, i.e., case 101, got here, vis is true, etc. Or better, log all that to a text file. Richmond: there should be no difference between the visibility of a group in a stack and in a standalone, so I think something else is going on. My first impression was that running cross-platform would mean that the keycodes aren't the same across OSs, but if you're running the standalone on the same system you developed in, then that's not it. I have just tried all possible combinations within the Card script; all that work in the stack. Each time; on building a standalone the script fails. So; what I shall do, is start a new stack that includes those 2 groups and the card script and see if that works; and build up my stack from that. Very, very queer indeed. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Hard CASE: not what it seems.
Oh, Blast: I got the wrong end of the stick completely . . . There was nothing wrong with my CASE script at all ! The problem seems to be that standalones have a problem with the second part of a script that runs like this: on mouseUp set the useUnicode to true if fld fBUILT is empty then set the unicodeText of fld fRESULT to the unicodeText of fld fRESULT numToChar(2311) else do fld fMAHA if fld fPROC is empty then --do nix-- else set the unicodeText of fld fRESULT to the unicodeText of fld fRESULT numToChar(2367) set the unicodeText of fld fRESULT to the unicodeText of fld fRESULT the unicodeText of fld fPROC put empty into fld fPROC end if end if do fld fARSE put empty into fld fBUILD put empty into fld fBUILT select after fld fRESULT end mouseUp i.e. from the first ELSE onwards. --- fld fARSE (it concerns 'r') contains the following script: if fld fRRR is empty then --do nix-- else set the unicodeText of fld fRESULT to the unicodeText of fld fRESULT numToChar(58107) put empty into fld fRRR end if [i.e. post-positions Devanagari 'r' in a conjunct consonant] --- Why do I get a tingly feeling (err . . . probably called wishful thinking) that RunRev 4 is not going to allow execution of a script in a fld in a standalone?? --- What I still don't understand (and this is the sticking point) is why this all works in the stack but not in the standalone . . . So, only marginally wiser . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Happy Geek Pride Day (OT)
On 25/05/2010 23:22, David C. wrote: Now that's funny; in my dictionary a geek is a person who works in travelling circuses by biting the heads of live chickens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek From the wikipedia link: Formerly, the term referred to a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken, bat, snake or bugs. Sounds much more like a '70's era rock band. ;-) I think Ozzy Osbourne used to go in for that sort of thing when I was a spotty teenager (i.e. mid '70's); Hey; do you remember when Alice Cooper faked his own guillotining in Paris? Ooooh; tooo late at night; reaching for my juju beads for a spot of psychedelic meditation . . . . Peter Sarstedt is singing where's my semi-precious plastic Easter egg? Right on! I dunno; right here there is a wild RunRev programmer who is going spare over some of his own funny code (see earlier posting); I think I'll just pop to the fridge and bite the head off a live . . . . . carrot . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Coming unstuck with standalones: a real head CASE
I have been working recently on a teacher version (wrongly called 'Pro') of my Devawriter program for Sanskrit. Feeling reasonably smug (Hey-Ho, pride comes before the fall) I sent some standalones labelled 'Beta' off, down the pipe, to my Beta testers; only to recieve a fairly forthright answer that the thing didn't work properly ! Cracked out the standalone, and it DIDN'T . . . :( Went back to the stack, and it DID . . . the mystery thickens . . . SO; what's going wonky??? A tediously long SWITCH routine; on rawKeyDown RAWK set the useUnicode to true switch RAWK --- buckets more CASE stuff here case 101 if the vis of group CONZ is true then send mouseUp to img 2327k break else send mouseUp to img f2310.png break end if --- buckets more CASE stuff here default pass rawKeyDown end switch end rawKeyDown In the stack, when the group CONZ is not visible the latter half of the CASE statement 'fires', In a standalone, when the CONZ is not visible the latter half of the CASE statement DOESN'T WORK. Poo, Poo, Poo! --- Moronically speculative interlude. Maybe standalones don't behave themselves re the VIS of groups?? --- Advice, recommendations, help gratefully received; Please, Please, pretty Please! Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Resource Centre
Dunno: just tried it (Mac PPC) and it worked fine, just tried it (Ubuntu 10.04) and it worked fine. trashed my XP Pentium 3 as it was virussed to the hilt. I would be inclined to reinstall your RunRev; things can go 'sour'. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Coming unstuck with standalones: a real head CASE
On 24/05/2010 14:58, Sarah Reichelt wrote: In the stack, when the group CONZ is not visible the latter half of the CASE statement 'fires', In a standalone, when the CONZ is not visible the latter half of the CASE statement DOESN'T WORK. No wonderful ideas, but are you sure the group CONZ is really invisible, or is it inside another group that is invisible? Just checked: the card had 2 groups; CONZ and VWLZ; when CONZ is invisible it is invisible, rather than as you suggest. That's a trap that has caught me before, although I would expect it to behave the same in the IDE as in a standalone. Well so would I; one of the reasons I am so mystified. Another possibility: could there be two groups with the same name? Maybe they are re-ordered in the standalone, so the script is looking at the wrong one. I will probably have to ungroup the group and set the VIS on all its components individually, curses, curses, curses. Cheers, Sarah Thanks for your ideas. You are lucky, there in Australia, as your winter approaches: here in Bulgaria we are just starting our hot and sticky patch rising to 48 degs C and humid that lasts from now until mid-September! sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Emsisoft
On 23/05/2010 15:10, Douglas wrote: By default OpenOffice is set to not allow macro execution - perhaps someone in the staff specifically went round and enabled it? You don't know these people! They keep downloading the Windows version of Skype onto Linux machines because it is better than the Linux version and then throwing tantrums because Windows programs don't work on Linux; What is wrong with these computers? everybody knows that computers cannot run without Windows. Enabling Macros . . . Having installed Linux on a 'new' machine I left it to do an apt-get update overnight; telling the people not to touch the machine. The next day I had to start installing from scratch, because, being unable to turn the machine off (despite post-it notes and so on saying DON'T) they had yanked the power cable out the back This IS Bulgaria; or, as an American friend once put it; I love Bulgaria, it allows me to experience the same sort of thrills my ancestors experienced in Texas in the middle of the 19th century. Have you seen that film Wild Wild West; a sort of steam-punk America through distorting glasses? The problem about Wild Wild East is that one is unable to remove the distorting glasses. - I have the perfect plan for the virus problem these people are experiencing: take all their computers to the gypsy quarter where they will be scavenged for precious metals . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] HyperNext
The other day somebody took umbrage (wow; that feels good; haven't used umbrage for about 20 years) at my suggesting that the music channels in HyperNext were the work of one man, but came as part of the package of Real BASIC with which HyperNext is constructed. Maybe so . . . The same respondent stated that the programming language of HyperNext WAS RBScript; this is not strictly true: HyperNext can be scripted in RBScript, but its native language is 'HyperNext script'. How far these two scripting languages differ I cannot say; however it is claimed on the HyperNext site that the HyperNext script works more quickly than RBScript in the context of HyperNext. c.f: http://www.tigabyte.com/hnfiles/rescreator.html under 13 Circles. see comparisons of the 2 languages here: http://www.tigabyte.com/hnfiles/faqs.html#faqHyperNext HyperNext seems to be a language which compiles to RBScript (a sort of Metalanguage): HyperNext is the main programming language in HyperNext Creator and Developer. It is a full high-level language with over 1000 keywords that allows a programmer to control user interaction, develop complex algorithms, call plugins, and create/run RBscripts. Why am I bothering to point this out when: 1. I am not using HyperNext, and not championing it. 2. Feel little or no motivation to swap from RunRev to HyperNext. Because Hypernext is an achievement of a different order to RunRev insofar that it is the creation of one man. It may, eventually, be a contender against RunRev in the Educational software development stakes. I hope it really gets going; mainly, admittedly, to stimulate RunRev. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Who is the author of codes.widged?
Who is the author of the website: http://codes.widged.com ??? Presumably Marielle Lange. I did some work for this person about 7 years ago when she was staying in Edinburgh. The end result was not satisfactory insofar as she felt I had taken a week to do something she could have done in a day; on pointing out that if she were able to do it in a day there was no point in paying me to do the thing our 'relationship' took a turn for the worse. I understand she is now in New Zealand. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Who is the author of codes.widged?
On 22/05/2010 00:42, J. Landman Gay wrote: Alejandro Tejada wrote: Did anybody receive similar promises from Runrev as codes.widged??? Of course not. Nor any of the other things claimed on that site. Who is the author of the website: http://codes.widged.com ? Someone who's name I won't say here, because this list is publicly searchable. Just don't make her aware of you in any way. Once you are in her sights it is difficult to escape, and she will invent all sorts of imaginary things about you too. And then she will email all your friends with her stream-of-consciousness commentary as well. Oops; Richmond's big mouth already has mentioned her name. And, I can bear you out; having experienced a lot of psychobabble about 6-7 years ago. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Who is the author of codes.widged?
On 22/05/2010 02:52, zryip theSlug wrote: 2010/5/21 J. Landman Gayjac...@hyperactivesw.com: Alejandro Tejada wrote: Did anybody receive similar promises from Runrev as codes.widged??? Of course not. Nor any of the other things claimed on that site. Who is the author of the website: http://codes.widged.com ? Someone who's name I won't say here, because this list is publicly searchable. Just don't make her aware of you in any way. Once you are in her sights it is difficult to escape, and she will invent all sorts of imaginary things about you too. And then she will email all your friends with her stream-of-consciousness commentary as well. The only thing I could say that see her profile on the web, given to me a bad feeling. I'm sure she's not a slug's friend. She'll probably put salt on your tail . . . :) Elle n'aime pas les limaces! Regards, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] A Big, Big Thank You to JLG!
I hosed my Linux box the other day (living too close to the edge) so had to reinstall. Reinstalled Ubuntu 10.04 followed by my licenced version of RunRev 4 for Linux; 60 minutes. The connected via revOnline to JLG's Metacard setup stack and had Metacard 4 up and running inside 10 minutes: Wow, Wow and Wow again! Thank you Jacque! You're a star. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Who is the author of codes.widged?
On 22/05/2010 11:11, René Micout wrote: Elle pense peut-être que la bave de la limace (du crapaud ...) n'atteint pas la blanche colombe ;-) Toujours Je suis un crapaud brun avec pustules noirs; et Je vais manger tous les colombes blanches ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: codes.widged
On 22/05/2010 17:15, Mike Harland wrote: Could somebody please substantiate the claims that Ms Lange purports to have disproved? What does she purport to have disproved? I find it disturbing to see that people on this list are behaving as she describes. Where and what does she describe? Mike A long time ago, in another country; when Ms Lange and I were some 6-7 years younger . . . treat the whole thing as a minor, heretical, episode of star wars . . . :) No doubt she and I are both older and wiser now. I have no quarrel with Ms Lange now; and I see no reason why she should have one with me. At the time, however, I did (as did the Use-List) receive a number of messages which were distinctly odd. I, myself, have also been guilty of sending distinctly odd messages in the past. So, please look upon my earlier posting as of historical interest only. Other people, I believe, have been in touch with her more recently; their opinions are probably more valuable in the long run. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Divine Bliss
Elsewhere on the Use-List I read this: you are invited to give up everything else and count on runrev alone to bring you happiness and success. Nobody in the RunRev community ever invited me to do anything of the sort. HOWEVER . . . Since I discovered RunRev about 9 years ago I can honestly say, with the odd 'foray' into Hypernext, I have stuck to RunRev/Metacard 98% of the time and it has given me very little but happiness, and my 'Devawriter' has been a success. While I wouldn't advocate giving everything else up, I would advocate getting into RunRev in a big way; the deeper one digs the more 'gold' one finds ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Emsisoft
I have been sorting out several machines for a client; an office that uses a mixture of machines running Windows XP, Ubuntu and MintLinux. The Windows machines work in an intranet that has no connexion to the internet or to the other intranet consisting of the Linux boxes that are connected to the internet. One job I had to do was to take 2 hard disks out of a Pentium 4 running XP and pop them into a faster machine. However the machine was running slowly and behaving queerly; so, although it has not direct contact with the internet I thought just for fun I would run some anti-virus stuff on it. I downloaded Emsisoft because it allows one a 3 day full-featured trial. It is extremely impressive insofar as it does a job which I don't believe should be necessary on any operating system in an efficient manner. Well my just for fun very rapidly became egg all over the face when it became clear that the Windows machines were infected with an even dozen of nasties; the most ugly being Trojan.Win32.FakeAV!IK and Trojan-Downloader.Agent!IK The only way I can account for these computers having become infected is through workers in this office transferring infected MSWord and MSExcel files from the Linux boxes to the Windows ones with USB Flash drives. The only other possibility is that the staff are being 'disingenuous', and have also been using their Flash drives on computers running Windows at home or elsewhere. --- As an essentially Non-Windows person (and my recent finding only serves to make me even more 'Non' than I was before) I should be very grateful if somebody who knows more about this than I do (well, that shouldn't be difficult) could tell me: 1. Can virusus / trojans attach themselves to MSWord / Excel documents? 2. Can viruses be downloaded simultaneously as documents onto USB sticks plugged into Linux boxes that then infect Windows boxes on transfer? sincerely, Richmond Mathewson ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Emsisoft
On 22/05/2010 23:20, Neal Campbell wrote: Some of the nastiest and earliest viruses were macro viruses in excel and word documents. Most corporate machines prevent macro's from allowable execution without a warning (if they allow it at all). Also, thumb drives are possibly the biggest threat to corporate computers. An audit team from a top 3 firm I know tested the security mechanisms in a company by dropping infected thumb drives in the parking lot and watching how people picked them up and plugged them into the corporate computers. As the thumb drives, like cds/dvds, will play an autoplay file when mounted, its a perfect way to inject a virus if people allow it to run. Most secure shops prohibit thumb drives. Thank you for that useful information. However; all my client's computers (whether they run Windows or Linux) use Open Office; I was unaware that a Word Macro virus could operate via Open Office. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Emsisoft
On 22/05/2010 23:47, Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Saturday, May 22, 2010, 1:34:20 PM, you wrote: However; all my client's computers (whether they run Windows or Linux) use Open Office; I was unaware that a Word Macro virus could operate via Open Office. If macro execution is not disabled then there's no reason why a macro virus shouldn't propagate. I realize that's tautological, but you asked... Right; first thing tomorrow I will have to disable macro execution on all 10 machines. Thanks so much. As 99% of my work is with Linux and Mac I had actually forgotten about Word Macro viruses, although I had one messing up my LC 475 in illinois a while back. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
MidiBuilder stack
So, there I am sitting at the back of my classroom today while some kids sweat over a practise PET test. Start fiddling around with RunRev 2.2.1 on Linux and stumble upon the MidiBuilder stack in the Samples folder. I wonder why it isn't there with RunRev 4 ? Lunchbreak: opened the MidiBuilder stack with RunRev 4.0 on the Mac; and . . . it works; it exports midi files; and, hey, yeah; why has there been all the recent correspondence about midi-sequencing when it is there for the taking already ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev
On 21/05/2010 19:54, Bob Sneidar wrote: I wouldn't look at it that way. You can get an all day ticket at Disneyland. You can ride all the rides, or just some of them, or none at all. You can't get a cheaper ticket if you promise not to ride some of the rides. It's kind of like that. I saw a great video of an English man trying to get the price down on a tooth extraction. He said that getting the cost down was of primary importance. After talking the dentist into not using an assistant, having no anesthetic, taking only 15 minutes as opposed to an hour, and making clear that the procedure would be excruciatingly painful this way, but after all low price was of paramount importance, he talked the dentist down from 1400 pounds to just 200! Once they had settled all that the man said, Excellent! I will send my wife right over! Bob I did better than that in Carbondale, Illinois in 1995. I was due to have a root canal and they were going to charge me $2000 ( a sum I didn't have) and were unable to understand why I felt that was expensive (it's cheap because the University dentistry is subsidised). I told them there was absolutely no way I could pay that for a root canal and a crown; but if they could just kill the nerve and plug the hole my Father-in-law would do the rest in Bulgaria for nothing. Bless them; they killed the nerve and plugged the hole (and 2 weeks' later Tatko put in a post and a gold crown which is with me still - although, sadly he is not) and charged me nothing. I still don't have $2000; but I have bought a pair of pliers so my kids get the gold when I move on! And the lesson is: always let a Scotsman in a kilt who has connections in Bulgaria off the hook . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reading the HyperNext manual #1
On 20/05/2010 07:31, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: HyperNext is hardly developed by 1 person. It is based on REALbasic, using RB's scripting language as its programming language. So the fact that it can play multiple sounds, run on multiple platforms, etc., comes courtesy of the hard work of the team at REAL Software. It would be about the same as giving Ken Ray credit for the amazing graphics capabilities of stackrunner (no offense, Ken). gc Fair point! On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.tigabyte.com/docs/LanguageReference.pdf There are five dedicated sound channels and any sound or music file must be allocated to a channel. The idea of having sound channels so that 2 or more sounds can be played simultaneously comes up here from time to time; but never seems to get anywhere. Now how is it that a RAD developed by 1 person can manage sound channels while . . . . ? What I do not understand (and I have asked this before) is why, if so many languages/IDEs/RADs have sound channels (my BBC has sound channels in its hardwired BBC BASIC), it seems to be such a sticking point every time I mention it the possibility re RunRev. Plying 2 sounds simultaneously in RunRev is a no-no; and the addition of sound channels would be a significanr addition. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reading the HyperNext manual #2
HyperNext supports note playing based upon QuickTime Musical instruments. On Windows machines note playing requires QuickTime to be installed. There are 128 instruments available and a list of their names can be accessed using a HyperNext function. Three different approaches to playing notes are supported. The first two are useful for playing single notes whereas the third allows melodies or sequences of notes to be defined and played. At the present time HyperNext only supports one Note channel so if a melody is playing then any PlayPitch or PlayNote command will be ignored. (1) Notes can be played individually using the PlayPitch command which specifies the instrument, pitch, velocity and duration. This method is useful for allowing the user to play a particular note, perhaps via a keyboard displayed on a card. (2) Notes can be played individually using the PlayNote command which specifies the instrument, octave, note, velocity and duration. This method is useful for allowing the user to play a particular note, perhaps via a keyboard displayed on a card. (3) Notes can be played as group using the MelodyPlay command. This is more powerful than the PlayPitch/PlayNote commands and gives greater control over the musical output. OK, Peter, leveraging QuickTime instruments wouldn't be much cop for Linux (but, that - as my Grandfather used to say - is a coming man already gone). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reading an old Hypercard document #1
0306857AHC2.3GS.PDF the soundChannel determines the channel on which the next sound will be generated. Funnily enough Runrev claims to be Hypercard's natural successor; but . . . Ok, Ok, Ok; I can't crack marrowbones with my teeth like some of my Neanderthal forefathers. However; I would not describe Hypercard as 'primitive'; a word I might be inclined to use about Neanderthal hunter-gatherers. -- set [the] soundChannel to /integerValue/ --- set soundChannel to value(the soundChannel) + 1 --- if the soundChannel = 1 then play theTune --- integerValue resolves to a whole number in the range 1 through 8. ThesoundChannelproperty is the channel through which sound is played. The sound must have been generated by theplaycommand. Theplay command operates on the current sound channel. By immediately switching channels and playing new sounds, several sounds can be played nearly simultaneously. Unfortunately I cannot get Hypercard to spin off a standalone to play Oh, Why are we waiting? on QT instruments that will run on any reasonably contemporary operating system . . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: HyperCard for the iPad
On 20/05/2010 22:10, Peter Alcibiades wrote: snip Someplace in Cupertino there is Politbureau sayinging no, life is as it was in 1985 Alas, it is not. No, it isn't 1985; but in North Korea it is somewhere round about 1950; in China it is a real case of mixed calendars, and in Venezuela they are trying Back to the future. The fact that this happens in socking great companies as well does not surprise me in the slightest. They shot Stalin and Beria; only to replace him with Khruschev; who, while looking plausible was the man who supervised the slave labourers (political dissidents) building the Moscow Metro, and used to whip his pistol out and shoot people who flagged. Hitler saved somebody the bother; the West had a jolly show trial and shot a lot of totalitarian types; but let Spain go on its foul way under Franco until he died. So; as Apple seems very much a top-down sort of organisation, replacing Steve Jobs would only mean finding another of the same. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reading the HyperNext manual #1
On 19/05/2010 02:36, Judy Perry wrote: I'll say it again: Because Scott Raney didn't want to do it. Judy And, rather like not moving Granddad's shoes from their place by the fireplace even though he has been dead for 25 years, it has to stay that way . . . . On Tue, 18 May 2010, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Now how is it that a RAD developed by 1 person can manage sound channels while . . . . ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] WebM: another fly in our friend's eye?
http://www.webmproject.org/ another 'Open' initiative started by Google; how OPEN this is, and whether it intended to be something 'real' or just Google chucking something into the current soup brewing between Apple and Adobe I don't know. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reading the Supercard manual #1
Dear Stewart, That is a lovely piece of software: Thank you very much indeed! On 18/05/2010 20:33, RevList wrote: Richmond Mathewsonrichmondmathew...@gmail.com on May-18-10 at 10:26 AM -0700 wrote: The SuperScript utility allows you to almost instantaneously export all or some of the scripts of your project to text or RTF formatted files. ? Not that I am aware of, but have you checked out this? http://www.createchsol.com/ScriptReporter ** Stewart Lynch CreaTECH Solutions sly...@createchsol.com 604.484.8499 Skype:StewartLynch ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: destroystack wrong behavior...
What happens if you type into the message box: delete stack main stack Does it go away then? (Make sure you specify the mainstack, not the substack.) Yes, it does! However, if you have saved the stack it will still exist where it has been saved. All that DELETE STACK does is remove it completely from the memory of the IDE. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: destroystack wrong behavior...
On 19/05/2010 22:19, J. Landman Gay wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: What happens if you type into the message box: delete stack main stack Does it go away then? (Make sure you specify the mainstack, not the substack.) Yes, it does! However, if you have saved the stack it will still exist where it has been saved. All that DELETE STACK does is remove it completely from the memory of the IDE. Right. But that's what he wanted. The issue is whether or not destroystack is working as it's supposed to. I haven't seen any problems with it but since two people think they have, that's what's under investigation. Is this chap running on Win, Mac or Linux? Unfortunately I hosed my Linux box (trying to be too clever for my own good; nothing new) and am, right now, in the process of doing a complete reinstall. But can try this in Windows directly and in Linux in about 90 minutes. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reading the Supercard manual #2
Using Help From Within the Script Editor The Help System's Language Guide entries can be looked up automatically from within SuperCard's or SuperEdit's script editor window. Simply hilite the word you wish to lookup and press Command-?. If the help system is currently not running it will be launched and the Language Guide window will open to the hilited entry. If the highlighted word is not a SuperTalk word the help system will tell you. Yum! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reading the Supercard manual #2
On 19/05/2010 23:51, J. Landman Gay wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: Using Help From Within the Script Editor The Help System's Language Guide entries can be looked up automatically from within SuperCard's or SuperEdit's script editor window. Simply hilite the word you wish to lookup and press Command-?. If the help system is currently not running it will be launched and the Language Guide window will open to the hilited entry. If the highlighted word is not a SuperTalk word the help system will tell you. Yum! We already have that. That's funny; I tried that and it didn't work. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reading the Supercard manual #1
How about this: The SuperScript utility allows you to almost instantaneously export all or some of the scripts of your project to text or RTF formatted files. ? Can one do this in RunRev? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Playing wav sound file in Linux in background?
On 18/05/2010 21:14, J. Landman Gay wrote: John Patten wrote: Hi All... I've been having a problem playing back an audio file on a Linux computer using an arecord a shell script to first create the audio file. The audio file gets created on the local machine, it then gets uploaded to an ftp directory, however when I go to play the sound file locally using just Rev it's just static white noise. This is a typical symptom of playing back a file format that Rev doesn't support. You can't use any kind of compressed file format. Try re-recording using an uncompressed format, preferably saving as .au for Linux playback if possible. That seems needlessly bothersome (re-recording); I would be inclined to convert them using Audacity: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ I'm not sure, even so, whether Rev will wait for the whole file to arrive before playing it. I suspect it will. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Reading the Supercard manual #1
On 18/05/2010 21:15, Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 10:59:01 AM, you wrote: I used to write dumpers every time I picked up another xTalk, but after while it occurred to me that I never actually do anything with the dumps. They're boring to read, and for working with code I find it far more helpful to work with it in vivo, so I've put the time into things like script search tools instead. That's my take on this, too. cutting down the reverb time Why? Richmond- why do you want to do this? Do you have something in mind? Maybe there's a different approach than creating text or rtf files... I don't; but everytime I have a peep into a competitor's manual I see things which RunRev doesn't have, and wonder if RunRev might be better off if it did. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Reading the HyperNext manual #1
http://www.tigabyte.com/docs/LanguageReference.pdf There are five dedicated sound channels and any sound or music file must be allocated to a channel. The idea of having sound channels so that 2 or more sounds can be played simultaneously comes up here from time to time; but never seems to get anywhere. Now how is it that a RAD developed by 1 person can manage sound channels while . . . . ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev audio clips
On 18/05/2010 22:17, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi all, After learning about the binary string produced by compress(), i am curious to know if one of the professional audio experts in this platform have examined the converted audio clips that Rev uses internally, after importing an audio file. By trial and error, you could isolate the audio binary string from a saved stack. Oh Yuck! I made a new stack ZOUND and imported an AIFF sound ZND.aiff into it. I then cracked both the stack and the sound file open with HexEdit: http://hexedit.sourceforge.net/ and could NOT find the 'audio binary string' in the stack. Maybe I went about things the wrong way . . . :) Then, analize and compare with the original imported audio clip, saved in different audio formats. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Adobe's New Anti Apple Ads
On 17/05/2010 10:13, Kay C Lan wrote: snip To me, this is competition and competition is good, very good. Yes, it probably is nothing more than the grinding together of competitive forces; but, Unfortunately: 1. A lot of small companies and their dedicated clients seem to be getting ground up in the process. 2. Competition CAN be conducted in a gentlemanly fashion; but neither Apple nor Adobe seem to think that matters - maybe it doesn't from a commercial point of view; they both have enormous installed bases on which they can depend. However, it makes the world a whole lot more pleasant if competition can take place without infantile adverts and name-calling. Competition is, undoubtedly, a good thing; and as the computer world is dominated by Microsoft, Adobe and Apple one could argue that not nearly enough is taking place. Competition (rather like war [not something I would advocate]) development and innovation. One of my sadnesses is that, at present, there seems to be no company in direct competition with RunRev . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Installing Linux fonts
[I hope that the thread I am attempting to initiate will, eventually lead to an understanding of why RunRev does not play 'nicely' with Linux fonts] [Ubuntu 10.04 -- Debian deriv.] 1. open a .ttf font with FontViewer 2. click on 'Install Font' button ; 'Install Failed' Q1. Is that because I am not root user? 3. attempt to open FontViewer as root: got distracted by Font Manager /usr/bin click on 'Manage Fonts' blob at the bottom navigate to where target font is installed on selecting font Font Manager opens and blow me down it seems the font has been installed as a system font: 4. Open RunRev: and the target font DOESN'T show up . . . um, mumble, mumble, excrement, and so on. 5. AbiWord (what my sons call Shabby Word - never mind, it will suffice for now): font (Unicode TTF) shows up. Q2. Could this be because my target font does not have an accompanying .conf file ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Installing Linux fonts
Here is what is probably the real reason: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/notgood.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Nice OSX tip: creating an image with a desktop snapshot without scripting
On 15/05/2010 11:37, David Bovill wrote: Perhaps the coolest, most-secret hidden capture shortcut is Control-Command-Shift-3 (or 4), which, instead of creating a file on your desktop, copies the capture into your Clipboard memory, so you can paste it where you want. 1. Press Control-Command-Shift-3 (or 4) from any application 2. Switch to Revolution and in the stack you want the image - just paste! It's all about that control key :) ___ This is the place to find out about all this: http://rixstep.com/2/20040510,00.shtml ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
On 15/05/2010 12:32, René Micout wrote: I agree ! + music (Midi ?) functions Le 14 mai 2010 à 00:16, Robert Mann a écrit : I would prefer that a minimal audio/video library be made, like the datagrid enhancement of last year (simple fade in and out, cross fademix, minimal reverb, tone correction and normalization) and possibility to ouput a compressed quicktime format. It is important to be able to produce good quality audio/video by program too since runrev claims to be a media platform. I have been banging on about sound export for years: http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=6t=5164 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
On 15/05/2010 19:07, stephen barncard wrote: In North America, the words *Bung* and *Bang* have very different meanings. It's like seeing 'bloody' all over the place to a UK'er. It bugs me every time. I get bad visual images. Our Bung is your Bloody, buddy. Just thought I'd remind you. You are not reminding me; you a teaching me, because I did not know that. Notwithstanding; Thank you for reminding me - I shall avoid that word in future . . . :) As a person who believes the 'UK' to be an illegal entity created after our legal monarch (James VII) was expelled from the British Isles; I jalouse at the term UK'er. I am either a Scot, an Anglo-Scot, or at worst British. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: Adobe's New Anti Apple Ads
On 14/05/2010 17:02, David Bovill wrote: Just for fun :) - Adobe starts Anti Apple Ad campaignhttp://www.switched.com/2010/05/13/adobe-launches-all-out-war-on-apple/ - Adobe's reply to Mr Jobshttp://www.adobe.com/choice/flash.html - Adobe on opennesshttp://www.adobe.com/choice/openmarkets.html - And Microsoft don't like Flash either?http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100430/microsoft-on-flash-what-steve-said/ I just had time to have a quick read of Number 1: I mean, talk about the pot calling the kettle black: If it weren't for the fact that Apple and Adobe are socking great companies wielding I-don'y-know-how-much financial clout it would look like 2 boys in a playground fighting over which one of them is a liar; i.e. all rather childish. Neither company have got a leg to stand on when they start talking about: open markets and an open Web for 'open' read 'controlled by Adobe's stuff' or 'controlled by Apple's stuff'; I say stuff them both and go west young man to the land of Linux and Open Source; while it may not be to everybody's taste, at least the word 'open' is not being resemanticised quicker than you can guess the colour of Steve Jobs' underpants . . . :) Hey; I tell you one thing; I reckon I've got an even chance on they're not being 'Adobe Red'. And I would suppose the boss of Adobe goes without as all is Air. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Androids and Cyborgs
Ooooh, look at this: http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/emulator.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] OLPC GUI
On 12/05/2010 02:14, Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 12:12:47 PM, you wrote: Wow: I'm running an OLPC Sugar live CD on a P4 just now to get a feel for the interface. Before you go too far down that road, let me warn you that attempting to run runrev as a Sugar app will have each stack window take up the entire screen. You're light-years ahead of me; first of all I've got to p*ss around with the Terminal to get the thing onto the hard disk; whether I can be bothered to do that is the biggest question at the moment. Until I have had the smallest kids I work with (7-8 years old) play with the thing from a live CD I'm doing Nuffin further. 'Objously' the GUI of RunRev would have to be re-done to be successful and congruent with the Sugar interface. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] OLPC GUI
On 12/05/2010 10:26, Peter Alcibiades wrote: 'Objously' the GUI of RunRev would have to be re-done to be successful and congruent with the Sugar interface Well, it also needs to redone to be successful and congruent with the Gnome or any other Linux interface! -- virtual desktops -- resizing of IDE elements. Or resolution independence, if they prefer that. Peter Yup: Go On; Rub It In! However; what incentive have RunRev got until somebody or something shows them that there's gold in the Linux hills ? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Zombie Win icon
I'm sorry, David, I don't know the answers to your questions; 1/ What is the silver bullet needed to kill off my horrible first icon? (I know, silver bullet is vampires...) 2/ Why does my IcoFX icon only appear at small sizes when all sizes are built into the icon? But, having experienced the same sort of nonsense I invested in Axialis IconWorkshop: http://www.axialis.com/iconworkshop/ (which works extremely well under WINE on Linux) and left all those problems behind me. It is, however, $50 . . . but it is a real case of 'you get what you pay for'. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Licensing question
A friend of mine has just gone and bought a Windows 7 install disk and is busy installing it on his expensive, bells-n-whistles PC. He wants to give me his Vista install disk so that I can bung it on a P4 for testing. As he is upgrading to Win 7 he doesn't feel that this is a wicking thing to do. Any bright ideas about the legality of his idea? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Licensing question
On 12/05/2010 15:08, Ian Wood wrote: Did he buy an upgrade or a full install? If he just has an upgrade then it's s definite no-no. Ian On 12 May 2010, at 12:47, Richmond Mathewson wrote: A friend of mine has just gone and bought a Windows 7 install disk and is busy installing it on his expensive, bells-n-whistles PC. He wants to give me his Vista install disk so that I can bung it on a P4 for testing. As he is upgrading to Win 7 he doesn't feel that this is a wicking thing to do. Any bright ideas about the legality of his idea? No; it is not an upgrade disk, and it is not an OEM that came with the machine. However; he has told me that the disk will install a functioning system that will run for a month prior to registration, and that I could run it for a day just to do my testing and then blank the disk; presumably this is no worse than running a Demo program As I really am not screamingly interested in Vista (or Windows in general) I am merely looking for a way to do about 3 hours testing of my software (a user has reported a problem; which, if it can be reduplicated, is a general RunRev bug) without, quite frankly, having to pay for an install disk. However, for various reasons, I am not overly keen on breaking the law. Another friend of mine offered me the loan of her laptop running Vista; but I really don't want to run the risk of bu**ering up her install. What I need to do is this: Bung Vista on an old P4 1.7GHz, 512 MB RAM I have lurking under my bed; bung RunRev Studio 4 on it; run both the original stack and the standalone - ONCE, to ascertain if the problem is real or just a problem with this chap's individual install. Wipe the disk. Time for all this (inc. OS install) about 120 minutes Max. If the problem is real, there is nothing I can do about it and it has to be lobbed back to RunRev so that it can go on the list of bugfixes: which I very much hope is not the case as they have a backlog going back for yonks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
On 12/05/2010 16:18, René Micout wrote: Richard, Why learning JavaScript ? I want use RevTalk !! Yes! Having spent the better part of 9 years getting reasonably good at RevTalk I have neither the time, energy or inclination to start learning something as un-xTalk as JavaScript. I am pondering whether to learn the HyperNext language but have yet to see what benefits will accrue from that; the developer says he should (nice modal verb there) be popping out a Linux version in September-ish. -- Apple have closed the door for Rev developers as far as the iPhone and iPad are concerned; at least for the meantime; so any further discussion in that direction is a waste of time. However; outside the cow-byre of Apple there are lovely green fields full of flowers just longing for programs made with RunRev and revMobile; so sucks to Apple and move on . . . :) -- From my point of view, RunRev's failure to bring the Linux version up to par with the Windows and Mac versions is not much better than Apple saying boo. There is a vast area of computing (i.e. Linux deployment) that is being excluded from RunRev developers just as surely as Apple is excluding RunRev developers from the expensive toys. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement
On 12/05/2010 16:48, René Micout wrote: Le 12 mai 2010 à 15:38, Richmond Mathewson a écrit : so sucks to Apple and move on Richmond, I like (love ?) RunRev but I like (love) also Apple computers (hardware and software)... I love RevTalk no JavaScript (while...) I love Apple no Linux, no Windows :-)___ I have been married for very nearly 20 years; the path of 'true love' is rarely, if ever, smooth. I love my PPC G3 and G4 Macs; should I suddenly become a bit richer than I am at the moment I would probably rush out a buy a maxxed-out MacPro,a big, juicy laptop and so on. I have 3 children who come to my school with iPhones; I have played around with all of them extensively; they, frankly, leave me cold: when I want a mobile telephone I want a mobile telephone; when I want a computer I want a computer; when I want a record player, camera, personal psychiatrist . . . blah, blah, blah. And, last but not least; curling up with an iPad for a read seems a pretty poor second to a real book. I don't have much time for dictatorial types who tell me what I can or cannot do with something I, supposedly, own; or stop me from helping other people do what they want with things they supposedly own. I also love the fact that, thanks to Linux, my hardware overheads in my school are about ten percent of my children's annual pocket-money requirements. I don't like Windows; but, like it or not; most of the people who use my software outwith my school use Windows - so I have to test my stuff on Windows. --- I love Runtime Revolution to distraction, and have repeatedly tried to 'stretch the envelope' with it. I love it so much that I would like it to be available to all and everybody, as so with standalones generated from it; hence my hammering on and on about the Linux version. --- I know that Kevin and Co. are in an awkward position. However, I did state a while back that I wondered whether they were not over-extending themselves a bit. I do hope that both RunRev and RunRev (i.e. the company and the IDE) can survive this particular storm - which, in all probability, will look rather insignificant with the wisdom of hindsight in a couple of years time. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Licensing question
On 12/05/2010 16:34, Michael Kann wrote: Richmond, I have a Vista machine if you want me to test anything. Don't hesitate to email me. (It will take me a while to find the parts and get it going, so don't wait till the last minute.) Mike That's extremely kind of you; I will let you know in good time if the possibilities round here don't seem to be the right ones. sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Unicode and Windows Vista: Not Good At All
Having at last got my act together running Windows Vista [Installed Vista Home Premium (unregistered) on a Pentium 4, 1.7 GHz, 512 MB RAM; running Windows standalone smoothly; will delete tomorrow] I have the unfortunate information that previous feedback about the behaviour of Unicode fonts in RunRev standalones running on Windows Vista is distinctly wonky; as per my previous posting: - I previously wrote: - Recently I had a slightly worrying post from a chap attempting to use my Devawriter on a computer running Windows Vista. The problem is that when Devawriter calls a Unicode character that is not meant to move the cursor/insert place forward, merely print something either above or beneath the preceding character it does not; while printing the character it also moves the insert forward so that everything comes out incorrectly. Installed RunRev Studio 4.0 on Vista (all remarkably smooth and unproblematic); runs the original stack a wee but slower than the standalone (no surprises there): Exactly the same problem!!! -- Tinkering around with the RunRev code will not affect this problem at all; therefore there is something going on with the way Vista handles Unicode fonts that upsets RunRev, or the other way round. This is hugely problematic . . . :( -- Mind you; having had exactly half an hour of the Vista experience I am extremely glad I will (probably, hopefully) have to have very little to do with it again. By contrast XP looks really rather positive to the Windows-hater in me. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
MOT: Ministry of Transport / Miles of Topic / Mad, 'Orrible Twisted; your choice. On 12/05/2010 23:16, Andre Garzia wrote: Believe me, I can't understand Nietzsche even in Portuguese... and I had classes about him at the university... My son had a Nietzsche patch about a year ago, and all our meals were spoilt by all sorts of pronouncements about how people who didn't contribute to society should be shot, and more awful stuff. Luckily my son is 17 and has now recovered from his Nietzchean aberration and is now taking out his adolescent frustrations on the piano and his parents . . . :( Perhaps I should also point out that the inventor of Nazism (who was English, oddly enough), Houston Chamberlain (married Wagner's daughter), drew on a lot of Nietzsche's stuff for . . . well we all know where that went: millions and millions of people being gassed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Chamberlain So, frankly, I don't think I want to understand Nietzsche. --- Now; as a holder of a degree in Philosophy, if you really want to read some philosophy that doesn't lead one down the garden path to racism, fascism and so forth why not try a spot of Wittgenstein: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittgenstein I have been trying spots of Wittgenstein for years, and after about 25, feel I am just beginning to understand what he really wanted to say (and I am probably quite wrong). -- Oh; before I forget: 1. Unicode fonts don't work properly with RunRev and Windows Vista. 2. Fonts and RunRev are enormously problematic with Linux. 3. Nietzsche never played football for Arbroath. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
On 12/05/2010 23:53, René Micout wrote: This argument is used by the enemies of Nietzsche's thought. All these stupid things taken from La volonté de puissance book that Nietzsche ever wrote, but was built by his sister who was anti-Semitic (and fan of Hitler) (with whom she strongly disagreed) after the death of his brother. It is true that this philosopher is dangerous because it is misunderstood (Chamberlain) that can lead to aberrations. Nietzsche condemned anti-Semitism very strongly in his writings. Recent studies of the philosopher (in particular by Gilles Deleuze and Patrick Wotling) shows the depth of his concepts of the 19th century sheds light on issues pertinent to the 21st century ... As for Wittgenstein, I recommend L'abécédaire de Gilles Deleuze which defines his thought as the degree zero of the philosophy ... Désaccord total... but ;-) Bonne nuit René Well it is a good thing that Thee and Me, at least, are grown ups, so we can disagree violently yet still carry on a civilised correspondence. This is, of course, quite unlike somebody else . . . :) I think that the reason many people discard Wittgenstein is that they think because he did not write in some sort of metaphysical jargon, but plain, simple words and sentences, he wrote crap. In fact, if one takes one's time to work one's way through his work there is a lot of good there. I, also, wouldn't doubt that there is a lot of good in some of Nietzsche's work; it has been, however, overshadowed by historical developments; whether as a result of misinterpretation (and that has to be a subjective judgement) of what he wrote, distortion by his sister, distortion by Chamberlain, or what he actually did write. What constitutes one man's misinterpretation may be another man's verité; ne c'est pas? And as Nietzsche is dead we are quite unable to find out what the man actually intended to say. It is also extremely difficult to read any writer whose work has had an historical effect without one's interpretation being coloured by a knowledge of that historical effect; reading in vacuo is not an option.. While Wittgenstein has had an effect on late 20 century thought, he has not precipitated (even if unwittingly) what happened in central Europe between 1933 and 1945, and whose echoes are still being felt. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
On 13/05/2010 00:10, René Micout wrote: I am so sorry to drift on our computer's subjects, it's my fault, I made a citation about which I do not think there would be these returns back. I also know from experience that the name of Nietzsche can be controversial. It is a paradox because it is a philosopher of life who fights nihilism and when someone is nihilistic we assimilate his remarks to those of Nietzsche ... Strange that this man is so little understood. We must recognize that his books are not easily accessible. C'est sure, mon ami ; et Immanuel Kant, Nicolas Malebranche et al aussi . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
On 13/05/2010 00:25, Dave Cragg wrote: Bringing things back on topic (well sort of)... Nietzsche also wrote something called (in English) To come out of the closet, or to stay shut in; that is the question. The Gay Science. Oh dear! Polysemanticism and the perils of translation. There is a chap called 'Randy' over here the other day, and my first name is 'John' . . . the whole thing can be carried too far. At my school there was a chap called 'Shufflebotham' (pronounced in 'that' way) who was an extremely good country runner; although he was often beaten by the chaplain's son; 'Alcock'. I kid you not! Sooner rather than later our good wag, J. Landman G. will quip one off. This is something of which a certain person on this list is sure to endorse, and illustrates Nietzsche's great foresight or aforementioned person's retrospective hindsight with which we are all familiar, relatively speaking. Thus spoke Dave Try a Google search for Revolution . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement [MOT]
Die fröhliche Wissenschaft: The Gay Science was about poetry and the idea of power. It has also been translated as The Joyous Wisdom (which avoids any latter-day ambiguity). Personally I would go for an entirely literal translation of 'fröhliche'; frolicsome nothing either wrong or ambig. about that! Bon Nuit, ???, Slaap lekker! Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Licensing question
On 13/05/2010 03:06, Jim Bufalini wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: Bung Vista on an old P4 1.7GHz, 512 MB RAM I have lurking under my bed; Vista (unless it Vista Home) requires 1 GB of RAM (including Vista Home Premium). Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini Well I got Vista Home Premium running on a P4, 1.7GHz, 512 MB RAM; and NOT glacially slowly; quite sufficient for my quick test. Aloha from Bulgaria. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RunRev on the OLPC
http://joviko-olpc.blogspot.com/2007/12/hypercard-on-olpc.html funnily enough . . . this article does not mention RunRev; I wonder why? I agree wholeheartedly with this article; and I do think that were RunRev to get RevMedia (prelicensed) onto the OLPC that would be a very good thing; as would having a socking-great advert for Studio every time RevMedia started up. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] OLPC GUI
Wow: I'm running an OLPC Sugar live CD on a P4 just now to get a feel for the interface. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Live_CD It is totally other; i.e. non-WIMP, which is rather refreshing; although the whole thing is rather confusing i you have been using WIMP GUIs for the last 20 years. It is, however, not targetted at people who have had access to computers, let alone WIMP GUIs, at all. I shall subject some of the kids I teach and see how they react to the thing; although they are bombed out on Windows XP, and are comfortable using GNOME in my school. - How would one integrate some form of RunRev into this interface? Certainly worth thinking about. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Apple: 100 good reasons for revMobile
On 11/05/2010 22:37, Matthias Rebbe wrote: I 100% agree. Matthias Am 11.05.2010 um 21:21 schrieb stephen barncard: Just hit delete is like saying opt-out. The noise level does get high here, and that's the reason for the complaints. This is not a forum, it's a linear mail list - like a freeway on-ramp - one at a time, and it does requires a bit more netiquette, like trimming posts and keeping down the OT. I don't think keeping down the OT is necessary, unless it is so tangential no-one can make any connexion with RunRev. However it would be good if everybody flagged their OT remarks with [OT] so that 'strict types' can filter it out and eat a fat free diet . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Where is going Apple ?
On 11/05/2010 22:39, Pierre Sahores wrote: You are right. Best Regards, P. Le 11 mai 2010 à 19:04, Bob Sneidar a écrit : You may have a good point, but I'd like to point out that you are not stating facts, but rather a point of view. Bob As none of us can see into the workings of either Steve Jobs' mind, or the corporate mind of Apple, it seems that everything that is stated re the recent cafuffle is opinion beyond restating what has already been stated. Rubbishing Apple won't help one bit; it is what it is; one can either choose to live with the thing, or not. The fact that RunRev (et al) has felt that Jobs' ruling is a kick in the pants is an opinion; until Steve Jobs pops over and physically kicks the RunRev people it it a feeling; however unpleasant it may feel. -- Many years ago I was working on a farm (mucking out beeves); and turned up every day at 5 am to get on with my work. One day the farmer told me he didn't want me to work for him any more. I asked him why; and he said that he didn't feel a need to tell me. So I went home, feeling dejected, unloved, and so on. The next day I walked about 30 miles round lots of other farms, and by sundown had got a new job; felt wanted and loved. 2 weeks later the farmer who dismissed me went bust. Poor chap; he is now a raving alcoholic who props up the local bar. So; until every farmer tells me he doesn't want my labour I will keep on smiling. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
RunRev, like so many others, have taken a socking great kick in the pants from Apple. Kevin's Article seems remarkably sober considering the circumstances - perhaps it was preceded by a 'slightly' more vulgar internal memo . . . :) I can only say that I hope it does not affect RunRev unduly; and that is DOES affect iPad sales (mind you; here in Bulgaria, the usual mindless morons are queuing up to get one - the same ones who send their expensively dressed children to my school with their iPhones; never mind, they subsidise some of the kids who either don't have any money or don't have fathers to pay). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: That nice XML exporter for stacks...
On 10/05/2010 21:32, Andre Garzia wrote: Hello Folks, Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all properties and scripts to an XML file? I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't remember it is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all controls? is something along the lines of repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this stack repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this stack ... end repeat end repeat ok? Do you mean xmltree-view.rev ??? If so; look somewhere 'vaguely familiar': http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/xmltree-view.rev.zip If NOT; try and think of its name - I have buckets of stacks backed up over here. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
While I don't like Microsoft, and they have tried to force people to use their shabby browser, at least they haven't got up to the same sort of restrictive practises that Apple have; consider: I can wander down the road into any tatty-old computer shop and buy a tatty old PC and get some sort of Windows running on it relatively easily (as I can, even more easily with Linux). Apple have always tied their operating systems to their machines. The 'iPad thing' is really just an extension of the same sort of thing. This may, after all, be one of the reasons why Apple have never commanded more than about 10% of the market. I know that Windows is a second-class product; but it works to a certain extent in areas where Mac OS cannot even bootup the install disk. Unless Apple democritise they will probably go the way of all aristocracies; and, just perhaps, it is Apple that should feel threatened by Linux, not Windows. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
