Re: Field printing blank page? (I'm so stupid!)
On 29 Sep 2005, at 18:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG I can't believe how retarded I am! I forgot to take of the tape on the ink cartridge. The smile your mail brought is worth a fortune. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Setting Custom Property to an Array
On 5 Oct 2005, at 19:16, David Burgun wrote: Hi, How can I set the Customer Property of a Stack to an array? The following does not seem to work: local myArray set the cpArray of this stack to myArray set the customProperties[cpArray] of this stack to myArray Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stack Switching Question
On 5 Oct 2005, at 21:04, Richard Gaskin wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: I used the file name form to illustrate another difference between HC and Rev: while you would indeed need to open a stack in HC in order to get stuff out of it, in Rev you can get property values of objects in unopened stacks. When you do that the engine reads the file into memory to access what's being requested; if the stack has been accessed before it'll stay in memory (unless you turn on the stack's destroyStack property), so subsequent accesses will be lightning fast. Just an addendum: Actually, I've been using this technique on multiple stacks, and found that once accessed, the stack stays open until you explicitly close it regardless of its destroystack settings. I found this out after I accessed data from a ton of external stacks and then discovered them all open later on. I had to specifically close them to remove them from RAM (their destroystack was true, so that did the trick.) If an accessed stack has its destroystack set to false, just closing it won't be enough, the script will have to delete it as well. (I know you already know that, Richard, just mentioning it for completeness.) Actually I didn't know that. Is that a bug? It rather invalidates the destroyStack property, no? I think we could debate that one for a month or two. :-) I suppose the destroyStack is intended to apply when a stack is closed, and therefore has been explicitly opened earlier. Referencing an external stack isn't the same as opening it. Like Jacque, I've been caught out with stacks in memory when I'd long forgotten about. However, one practical problem for the engine to overcome would be to determine when it should purge the stack. Typically, when I reference an external stack, I'm likely to make a few references to it within a handler. Having to reload the stack for each reference could introduce an overhead. (Perhaps referenced stacks should be purged when any currently running handlers finish.) Meanwhile, I try to remember to specifically delete each externally referenced stack. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: PHP and Rev cgi
On 6 Oct 2005, at 10:40, jbv wrote: Hi list, I'm trying to launch a Rev cgi script from a PHP script. I'm using the following line : exec(/home/httpd/html/cgi-bin/./myScript.cgi 0 $caddie); and it works. But the problem is that I need to pass 2 parameters to the Rev cgi script, and can't figure how to read these parameters in the Rev cgi script... I've tried :on startup x, y but that doesn't work... Any clue ? Try looking at the $0, $1, $2, etc. environment variables. I think $1 and $2 may be what you want. e,g on startup put $1 into tParam1 put $2 into tParam2 There has been some discussion in the past about how these parameters are interpreted, (an issue with quotes if my memory serves) but I think the problems may have been limited to Windows. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: another beginning SQL/Rev question
On 9 Oct 2005, at 19:26, Charles Hartman wrote: Something I don't understand about the revExecuteSQL command. I open my MySQL database and get an id. Now, to make later steps more general purposes, I'd like to ask the database for the structure of one of its tables (number of columns, column names) rather than hardwiring that into the Rev front-end. So I should be able to create a global myArray and then with my dbID in hand, revExecuteSQL dbID, show columns in myTable, myArray (taking care to put quotes around myArray as the docs say). Trouble is, nothing shows up in myArray, or anywhere else as far as I can see. Using a variable (or several) instead of myArray doesn't help, neither does putting some dummy stuff () into myArray[1], myArray[2], etc., ahead of time. The variable or array is used to substitute values in the SQL statement, not to receive data from the query. Try using revdb_querylist (or revDataFromQuery) to execute SQL that returns data. For example put show columns in myTable into tQuery put revdb_querylist(,, dbID,tQuery) into tData put tData into field whatever' The docs aren't too clear on this. They seem to say use revdb_execute (or revExecuteSQL) for everything except SELECT statements. But I think we have to infer that any SQL that returns data should be treated in the same way as SELECT. (as opposed to INSERT, UPDATE, etc. where we should use revdb_execute) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Regex help, please
On 11 Oct 2005, at 00:04, Harvey Toyama wrote: Hi, I have a log file to parse. The data looks like this: Chip_Test: 2 1075.7 R120-7000h0002 mov HifRegs 2 1088.1 R14-7000h 00020002 mov HifRegs 6 1100.5 [7020h]-1h00020004 mov RSTS_Busy I do not want to capture the line with Chip_Test:. I know the third character will always be a single digit number. I have a feeble knowledge of Regex from casual Unix use. I thought something like this would work put line vLineCounter into vLineBuffer if char 3 of vLineBuffer = [0-9] then ... regEx in Rev is only used in the MatchText and ReplaceText functions. You could do this: if char 3 of vLineBuffer is a number then But you're missing something in the first line. Assuming vLineCounter is a number, and the data to parse is in a variable named vData, then you need something like this: put line vLineCounter of vData into vLineBuffer If you're parsing through all the lines in the file, and if it's long, you'll find that the expression line vLineCounter of vData takes longer to evaluate as the value of vLineCounter gets higher. In that case, the repeat for each format would be a lot faster. Something like: repeat for each line vLine in vData if char 3 of vLine is a number then -- your stuff end if end repeat Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT version on Windows
On 11 Oct 2005, at 09:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: put queryregistry(HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\apple Computer, Inc.\quicktime\version,text) into data get binarydecode(h*, data, x) you get x = 00080360 if you reverse that string you get what i saw correctly in the registry.. This gives me what I see in the registry. (in this case version 7.0.2) put queryregistry(HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\apple Computer, Inc. \quicktime\version,text) into data local t1,t2,t3,t4 get binaryDecode(H2H2H2H2,data,t1,t2,t3,t4) put t4t3t2t1 -- 07028000 I'm not sure if this is any help to sims. I assume digits 1-2 are the main version number, digit 3 is the subversion, and digit 4 is the sub-sub version. But this probably needs some more confirmation. I also see there's a registry entry that give the location of QuickTime. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\apple Computer, Inc.\quicktime\InstallDir Any use? Nothing else seems to not work the way it's supposed to but im no expert in the binarydecode function... I know what you mean. I think the docs may need some revision. Every time I read about binaryDecode and binaryEncode my head hurts. Generally, it's trial and error. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT version on Windows
On 11 Oct 2005, at 17:56, Mark Wieder wrote: put queryregistry(HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\apple Computer, Inc. \quicktime\version,text) into data local t1,t2,t3,t4 get binaryDecode(H2H2H2H2,data,t1,t2,t3,t4) put t4t3t2t1 Interesting. What are you trying to do with that text in the queryRegistry() call? No idea, Mark. :-) I just copied that part from an earlier post. I didn't notice it. The version I used here didn't include a second parameter at all. Lke this: put queryregistry(HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\apple Computer, Inc. \quicktime\version) into data local t1,t2,t3,t4 get binaryDecode(H2H2H2H2,data,t1,t2,t3,t4) put t4t3t2t1 Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: background grps and preOpenCard
On 19 Oct 2005, at 21:22, Chipp Walters wrote: I'm working on a multi-card wizard and came across this and wanted to mention a peculiar behavior and see if people thing it's correct. I create a shared background group over a few cards. I put in it: on preOpenCard beep end preOpenCard It only gets called on the first card where the group is encountered, and none thereafter. IOW, it appears the preOpenCard message is not sent to a background group except for the first time it's encountered. If I go to a card which doens't have the bgGroup, then back to one that has it, the preOpenCard handler gets called again. It beeps here when I go to any card where the group is placed, even between card that both have the group. (this is Rev 2.6.1 on OS X) Do you have the backgroundBehavior property set? However, if I set backgroundBehavior to false, it doesn't beep at all, which is what I would expect. Your beep one time only sounds like what should happen from a preOpenBackground handler. Do you have any other preOpenCard handlers anywhere that might block this? (in card scripts, or other backgrounds) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How trim?
Is there a requirement for the solutions to be one liners? I think the following 2 are faster than any solutions using replaceText, and more readable too. function trimL pString puttab return into x repeat while char 1 of pString in in x delete char 1 of pString end repeat return pString end trimL function trimR pString puttab return into x repeat while char -1 of pString in in x delete char -1 of pString end repeat return pString end trimR The following is not as fast as return word 1 to -1 of , but it's less than twice as slow. And it makes it easy to modify which whitespace characters to remove. function trim pString puttab return into x repeat while char 1 of pString in in x delete char 1 of pString end repeat repeat while char -1 of pString in in x delete char -1 of pString end repeat return pString end trim Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Best Update Standalone Scenario
On 22 Oct 2005, at 20:44, Sivakatirswami wrote: Aside query about Windows systems... why are two different ones for C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data and C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application Data\) The first one, specialFolderPath(26), may be stored on a server where roaming profiles are used. The second one, specialFolderPath(28), is only ever kept on the local machine. You should use the first one for data the user should have access to, no matter which machine the user logs on from (application prefs for example). The second one is typically used for cached data (the Internet Explorer cache is kept here), which isn't really needed in every location. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How trim: Bug in RegExp engine
On 23 Oct 2005, at 11:03, Thomas Fischer wrote: Hi, Wouter is right: It is indeed elegant, but a condition check is necessary here as it will remove the first word + the space(s) if there is no space at the start of the line. The cat sat on the mat. But if no space in front the result is cat sat on the mat. This is actually true -- and a serious bug in Revolution's RegExp engine. The Regular Expression Syntax reference states: ^ matches the following character at the beginning of the string ^A matches ABC but not CAB * matches zero or more occurrences of the preceding character or pattern I assumed that Revolution would do what it promised and didn't check this. Try answer replaceText(A C,^ *,) I get C, which obviously is not correct. If I remove the *, I get A C This may be a bug. (I'm not sure.) But the following will work: answer replaceText(A C,^ +,) I.e. match at least one occurrence of a space, which is what is intended. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How trim: Bug in RegExp engine
On 23 Oct 2005, at 11:23, Dave Cragg wrote: I assumed that Revolution would do what it promised and didn't check this. Try answer replaceText(A C,^ *,) I get C, which obviously is not correct. If I remove the *, I get A C This may be a bug. (I'm not sure.) To expand on why I wasn't sure if it was a bug or not. A regular expression consisting of a single character (or single character set) followed by the * (zero or more matches) quantifier will always match. Therefore it's not really a useful construction. If it always matches, replaceText will presumably always try to replace the matched text. But in this case, it has matched an empty string, so I guess the engine is confused about where the replacement should be made. As far as I know, replaceText always works when the above construction is used in combination with another expression (e.g yx*, x*y, yx*z), so if it is a bug, I don't think it can be considered a serious one. answer replaceText(A C,^ +,) The above works because the match can fail, in which case no replacement is made. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mk_libsmil1
On 25 Oct 2005, at 12:06, Klaus Major wrote: Hi friends, i just uploaded a little stack to Rev-Online that will generate a SMIL file on the fly that you can use in a player-object. SMIL = Synchronized Multimedia Integration Language Please use GOOGLE to learn more about SMIL. User: klausimausi Stack: mk_libsmil1 (Actually it is just one function and not a complete library, but LIB sounds much more important... ;-) The underscore combined with lib in mk_libsmil1 makes it look even more important (and difficult), and of course it runs faster when named this way. :-) But I found a bug. There is a stray break command in the makemesmile function (in the part for Mac users). Removing the break fixed things (except for the strange picture on the opening card :-)). A great little tool. Subarashii. Thanks, Klaus. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: How trim: Bug in RegExp engine + docWiki
On 25 Oct 2005, at 20:19, Mark Wieder wrote: Ken- Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 10:28:36 AM, you wrote: Actually, it *should* support the full form of PCRE, since that is the library that was used when the put it into the engine. The bugs you identify above are all enhancement requests, so they are not representative of actual bugs with the engine - in fact the only other two bugs I could find were related to docs and not PCRE support at all. So AFAICT we have a full and complete PCRE implementation here, with no 'real' bugs associated with it. Well, my BZ #2805 was filed as an enhancement because I realize that runrev implements *some* of the regular expression characters in the filter command, but not all. I realize the matchText function handles more of them, but whether this inconsistency is a bug or an enhancement request is a matter of semantics. If the engine implements the full PCRE set but I can't get to it using the syntax that the builtin commands will accept, it doesn't do much good from a scripting perspective. I don't think it's just a matter of sematics. matchText doesn't just handle more of them; it effectively handles all of them. The filter command doesn't claim to use regualr expressions. (only matchText, matchChunk, and replaceText do) The docs for filter use the term wilcard expression, and in fact, a much richer set of wildcards are allowed in filter now than used to be the case. To me, there's a big difference between Wouldn't it be nice if the filter command used the full RegEx syntax in the same way as matchText? and Rev's regEx implementation is a sparsely-documented subset of PCRE compatible syntax and that subset can change at any time. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: AW: AW: How trim: Bug in RegExp engine
On 25 Oct 2005, at 22:39, Thomas Fischer wrote: 2. I didn't want to sound too harsh, sorry. And if my reply sounded harsh, sorry too. 3. It seems that regular expressions are to be avoided in time sensitive parts of the script anyway. Playing around a little bit I found that the RegExp solution I suggested took far more time than any other solution (by about a factor of 10 compared with the fastest solution). Probably this should be optimized in an updated version. It seems that regular expressions in Perl are by a factor 6 faster (and again 8 times faster on my PC laptop). I believe that replaceText received a performance boost in the 2.6.1 version. I don't how much of a difference it makes. But I'm not surprised that Perl handles regular expressions faster. That's what it was built for. (On the other hand, it's not too good at drag and drop. :-) ) On the other hand, this shows that those cumbersome repeat loops are surprisingly fast. And usually easier to read than regular expressions. All in all, Bob's idea to ask questions that make them want to crawl under the table in shame because probably the answer is idiotically simple. turned out to keep people busy and excited for quite a while. Proves again that there are no simple questions... Absolutely. Regards Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Engine
On 26 Oct 2005, at 19:32, J. Landman Gay wrote: Stewart Lynch wrote: Sorry. I forgot the subject in my previous message. I have just purchased the e-Book on Using Revolution's Engine for Internet CGI's and the following link does not work. I am looking for the engine that will run on my Windows system. Any thoughts? The Windows engine does not require any special CGI adaptation. Just put a copy of the Revolution executable from your regular distribution into your CGI folder. The only OS that needs a specially-compiled executable is OS X, which requires the Darwin CGI engine. Has this changed, Jacque? There used to be a separate cgi engine for Windows named cmc.exe (from the Metacard era). I have a copy (from years ago), but right now I can't say for sure what version it is. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Changing Font Style of Text Already in a Field
On 28 Oct 2005, at 20:48, Chipp Walters wrote: Both Klaus and Signe Marie Sanne have good suggestions for doing this: set the textfont of char 1 to -1 of fld X to to Lucida Grande Both of their solutions involve explicitly set the font of the characters. Another way is to do as you do: set the textFont of fld X to Lucida Grande put the text of fld X into fld X This has the added advantage if you cut and paste the text from fld X to another fld, it doesn't automatically take the font settings with it. And just for variety (or confusion perhaps), this will do essentially the same as Chipp's suggestion. set the textfont of char 1 to -1 of fld X to empty set the textFont of fld X to Lucida Grande Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Darwin cgi engine and sendmail
Hi good people Does anyone have any experience of using sendmail from the Darwin cgi engine? (OS X 10.4.2) If so, could you let me know how it's done? Or if you know it's not possible, could put me out of my misery and let me know. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Darwin cgi engine and sendmail
On 28 Oct 2005, at 22:46, Andre Garzia wrote: there was some snipet code by sivakatirswami showing that some time ago on the list, I'll search the list and get back to you. Thanks. Andre. I found a snippet on the Metacard list from some time ago. This used open process. Unfortunately, I couldn't get it to work. Sivakatirswami wrote: Here you go Dave.. .from the application here that generates our Daily Hindu Press international.. This is running from a rev desktop stack in the GUI, but I'm pretty sure it will work from a CGI... Thanks for this. Very promising. I got it working from my normal machine (OS X 10.4.2) from both a regular stack and a cgi. But I can't get it to run on the machine I want to use (OS X 10.3.9). I get this error: postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory Googling for this brings up a lot of discussion about unix/postfix configuration issues. (Not really a place I want to go.) But no obvious solution so far. If anyone has any hints, I'd love to hear. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Darwin cgi engine and sendmail
On 30 Oct 2005, at 10:42, Dave Cragg wrote: Sivakatirswami wrote: Here you go Dave.. .from the application here that generates our Daily Hindu Press international.. This is running from a rev desktop stack in the GUI, but I'm pretty sure it will work from a CGI... Thanks for this. Very promising. I got it working from my normal machine (OS X 10.4.2) from both a regular stack and a cgi. But I can't get it to run on the machine I want to use (OS X 10.3.9). I get this error: postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory It looks like all I had to do was start postfix from the terminal on the 10.3.9 machine sudo postfix check sudo postfix start (hint at www.macosxhints.com). As soon as I did that, all the mail I'd tried to send previously suddenly arrived. Thanks once again for the script. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: tiny mystery
On 30 Oct 2005, at 12:56, Charles Hartman wrote: I've got a dialog substack that includes two fields with listBehavior set to true. I fill them up from scripts -- a preOpenStack handler for one, and for the other an on selectionChanged handler called when something from the first list one is selected. I don't want anything to be selected in either one until the user selects something. So at the end of both list-filling handlers, I include the line set the hilitedLine of fld oneOfTheListFields to 0 It works in one (the one filled after the user selects something from the other) but not in the one filled by the preOpenStack handler. That list shows a hilite on the blank line after the last item in the list. How do I get rid of it?? One way round this would is to put the above line in an openStack handler instead of preopenStack. Another way might be to set the traversalOn property of the fields to false. (Which might not be what you want.) I think the problem is that Rev will focus on the first control with traversalOn *after* the preOpenStack handler runs. If ths control is a list field, it will hilite one of the lines (not sure why it's the last line in your case, it's the first here). Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Darwin cgi engine and sendmail
On 30 Oct 2005, at 11:13, Alex Tweedly wrote: Dave Cragg wrote: Thanks for this. Very promising. I got it working from my normal machine (OS X 10.4.2) from both a regular stack and a cgi. But I can't get it to run on the machine I want to use (OS X 10.3.9). I get this error: postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory Googling for this brings up a lot of discussion about unix/ postfix configuration issues. (Not really a place I want to go.) But no obvious solution so far. postfix is an email sending program - a replacement for the normal sendmail. It is sendmail compatible (to some level of compatibility) - sounds like it is either misconfigured, or somehow the machine has got both sendmail and postfix running and they are in conflict. (www.postfix.org) I'd start by trying sendmail from the command line - can it send mail at all ? If not, fix that before doing anything from Rev. If it can, then try a variant using the same switches as you intend to use (may be a problem with mail lists, or multiple addresses, etc. ) and then with the same list of addresses. and about then I run out of suggestions :-( Thanks, Alex. As you probaby saw, I managed to get it working, applying the sophisticated method of turning it on. I've never paid much attention to how mail works on any computer I've used. I just take it for granted. On OS X, I knew that Postfix was installed, but had no idea how it was used, if at all, by e-mail applications. I still don't know. I just hope by starting up postfix, I haven't created a calamity of any kind. Fingers crossed!. :-) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dumb question about RunRev Documentation
On 30 Oct 2005, at 16:37, Roger Guay wrote: Alex, AudioClip doesn't offer to expand to messages on my copy of 2.6.1. What version are you using? If I'm correct, is there yet another way to get to the messages in version 2.6.1?? Cheers, Roger Be sure you don't have anything typed in the search box. This will filter out stuff, and the audio clip entry may not show as expandable. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Load URL returns error 10049
On 8 Nov 2005, at 01:52, Dave Beck wrote: Hi, I have a rev standalone that has been distributed to a number of users. The standalone uses the load URL command to get a web page from my server. The command works as expected for every user to which I've distributed the stack except for one. The load URL command fails for this user and the URLStatus function returns error. Then the libURLErrorData function returns 10049. Does anybody have any idea what could be causing this error? The user is able to browse the internet with IE without problems before and after the error occurs, so I doubt it is a problem with her setup. The online info I could find on the error says it is related to opening invalid an IP address: One thing to check... Does the user need to connect to the internet through a proxy server? Have the user check the Internet Options control panel to see if there are any proxy settings. If so, you will need to set the httpProxy (see Rev docs) to the appropriate address. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time
On 10 Nov 2005, at 06:36, Mark Wieder wrote: Dan- Wednesday, November 9, 2005, 4:16:42 PM, you wrote: There is no necessary connection between where data is and where the app is. That's just today's temporary model. That may be true, but according to UNESCO's 3 November report on Knowledge versus Information Societies 11 percent of the world's population has access to the internet. And that's not talking about wired-in broadband connection - this includes dialup and folks who simply have access to internet cafes and such. http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0014/001418/141843e.pdf But I wonder if the percentage of the world's population who have access to a computer is much above the same 11 percent figure. Among my own non-computing friends and family members who have or are thinking of buying a computer, the net is the basic reason they need/want one. The point being that we can probably assume that computer-access and net-access will come to mean much the same thing. However, this doesn't mean I support the view that where the data is is no longer important. That remains to be seen. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time
On 13 Nov 2005, at 00:19, Dan Shafer wrote: From which experience i conclude: (a) AJAX and RIAs are not a panacea (b) $2 billion acconting firms IT shops probably don't embrace new technologies in the first place (having seen *that* up close and personal) (c) Moving information from one Web service to another is often difficult because of all the impenetrable crap put in the way for security in the first place (d) This technology has a ways to go. I suspect the CIO was talking about web services in the narrow sense of something like SOAP (no longer word of the month). And if that's the case, I can understand his comments. I remember struggling to make the SOAP toolkit that was once distributed with Rev, and at the time thinking what's the point?. The aim was basically to get a piece of dynamically generated xml from one computer to another - not very different from a web form and a cgi script. In this case, I think it's not the technology that has a way to go, but the definition of a clear purpose, without which committees will generate more committees until the camel is built. On Nov 12, 2005, at 2:34 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: The CIO of a 2 billion dollar accounting firm that handles movie and media events accounting for the likes of Warner Brothers and Disney, is on our team... he was just here in my office yesterday, explaining to me to be very cautious about using of web services. Warner Brother's forced them into it and he says the kajillion lines of code that have evolved from this decision... just to do the simple of things, where all that is really happening is a very little bit of data is moving via an XML protocol from one machine to another, is costing everybody, big time...he said don't go there! just FYI. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: frappr map
On 12 Nov 2005, at 16:43, Mark Wieder wrote: Marty- Friday, November 11, 2005, 6:49:14 PM, you wrote: Oddly enough, this is the second time in 24 hours frappr has come to my attention and I've been invited to add myself -- I had never heard of frappr before this. Is it new? (I notice it's in beta.) It does seem rather US-centric, doesn't it? Yes. I've adjusted the map so that it shows the whole world now. It's using Google maps, so my guess is that it's a Google spinoff. I've just become aware of it in the last couple of weeks, so I think it's *very* new... and *very* beta. But much fun. It certainly is (much fun, that is). I didn't think we were allowed new toys this close to Christmas. :-) Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Load URL returns error 10049
On 15 Nov 2005, at 05:59, Dave Beck wrote: Erin, I had the user ping the web site that the script is trying to access through Load URL and the ping returned: Ping statistics for 66.160.133.98 Packets: Sent 4, Received 4, lost 0 Approximate round trip minimum =72ms, maximum 78 ms, average 74ms So everything appears to be normal there. I also built I special version of the stand alone that accesses the URL through the IP address as you suggested, but unfortunately she still received the same 10049 error. What happens when she tries to connect to the same IP address out of a browser? Also, can you you have her use a Rev standalone to connect to some other URLs (e.g. http://www.yahoo.com, etc,) and see if the problem is limited to this address or others too. Any help anybody could offer would be greatly appreciated. Again, the problem is that the load URL command fails for this user when trying to load a web page and the URLStatus function returns error. Then the libURLErrorData function returns 10049. This problem is isolated to this user and the stand alone has been distributed and works as expected for over 50 others, as accessing the same hard coded URL. Just to confirm, is the error literally 10049 or is there some other text such as error on socket 10049? Windows socket errors usually return a little bit more than just the number, so if that's all you're seeing, there might be something else going on. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Downloading mystery
On 17 Nov 2005, at 01:42, Bruce A. Pokras wrote: I am trying to script the downloading of European patents from the European Patent Office's server. They provide a sample URL to use for that purpose, but instead of the patent, I instantly get a zero size file. I've tried it with and without URLencode. However, scriptiing with revGoURL works fine with the same URL to open the patent in my browser. Any ideas? The script I am using goes like this: on mouseup put https://publications.european-patent-office.org/ PublicationServer/getpdf.jsp?cc=EPpn=1502503ki=A1 into theURL put URL theURL into URL binfile:1502503.pdf end mouseup Could it be that Rev is allergic to JavaServer Pages? I hope not. Thanks for any help that you might be able to give. mauling_by_sheep This is a plea, not just to Bruce, but to all of you who do things like this, most of whom should know better. When you deal with URLs, especially internet URLs, things sometimes go wrong. Often these things are outside of your control, such as the network being busy, being given the wrong URL by your boss, your ISP's data center being struck by an asteroid, or a dud hard drive. It's important that you check that things happen as expected. So every time you make a url request, always (i.e. always) check the result. In the example above, there are two url requests in the same line. So should you check the result twice? I'd say yes. Something like this: put URL theURL into theData put the result into theRes if theRes empty then answer theRes ## or whatever you need to do else put theData into URL binfile:1502503.pdf put the result into theRes if theRes is not empty then answer theRes ## or whatever you need to do else ##carry on end if end if /mauling over Apart from that, I think Ken's pointer to libURLSetSSLVerification will probably work. This will mean that you won't be able to authenticate the remote server. Perhaps OK for the patent office, but probably not a good idea for doing bank transactions. The alternative is to set the sslCertificates property to an appropriate certificates file. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Downloading mystery
On 18 Nov 2005, at 01:53, Bruce A. Pokras wrote: Thanks, Dave, for the mauling. It was well deserved. However, I have been trying to get this to work over a period of several weeks. This was not a try once and cry for help. This has been a long, drawn out bit of frustration. A couple of times I did throw the result into the script, but it was very un-enlightening. I also alternated using revGoURL with the same URL, and bingo, the patent showed up in Netscape. So there were no issues with the EPO server at the times I was trying. With that introduction, the Result #1 (see below) shows the single word error. Not very enlightening! I am using the following handler, if anyone wishes to try it: on mouseUp libUrlSetSSLVerification false put https://publications.european-patent-office.org/ PublicationServer/getpdf.jsp?cc=EPpn=1502502ki=A1 into theURL put URL theURL into holdData put the result into theRes if theRes empty then answer Result #1: theRes else put holdData into URL binfile:1502503.pdf put the result into theRes2 if theRes2 empty then answer Result #2: theRes2 end if end if end mouseUp Hi Bruce The above worked here the first time I tried, and I got a nice patent application saved to a pdf file. However, on subsequent attempts I had mixed results, the main problem being either a socket timeout or redirection failed result. Logging the data (libUrlSetLogField), I see that the redirecton failures were also socket timeouts. Out of a browser, it worked initially, but at a later try I was getting redirected to a Search page. Is this in fact a pay for service, and they only let you download a few times for free? The first response from the url request is a redirection response (302). By default, libUrl will try to redirect the request using the Location header in the response. However, I also saw that the first response had a Set-Cookie header like this: Set-Cookie: JSESSIONID=8A03B947A0B4703A14FA776E904EE40F; Path=/ PublicationServer I'm wondering if things would go better if the cookie were returned in the redirected request. To do this, you'd need to handle the redirect yourself (libUrlFollowHttpRedirects false), get the remote server's headers (libUrlLastRHHeaders()), and extract the Location: and Set-Cookie headers. Then set the Cookie to return (set the httpHeaders to Cookie: something) and then get the url extracted from the Location header. I'm not sure whether you just return the Cookie as you received it (Cookie: JSESSIONID=8A03B947A0B4703A14FA776E904EE40F; Path=/ PublicationServer), or you have to set it differently. (perhaps someone can help.) Whatever, it seems like the service has some kind of session control on it. Although whether this is a cause of the frequent timeouts is hard to say. (increasing the socketTimeoutInterval to 6 didn't seem to have any effect.) Do you have any other information about how the service works? Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Messages in setprop...
On 24 Nov 2005, at 22:27, Gilberto Cuba wrote: Hi, I'm working in a setprop of the property set, that is to say, group of property, and detect that I modified or set a value of a property of the same group or property set, the message dont triggered. How I can do this message occur? Example: setprop MyPropSet[propName] newValue switch propName case Prop1 -- (1) set the MyPropSet[Prop3] of me to value break case Prop2 ... -- do something... ... break case Prop3 ... ...do something... (2) ... break end switch end setprop When i set a value to a property Prop1, it come in to (1), but when the next line is executing, it dont pass for (2). I hope you might understand. The following is from the Rev documentation under setprop. If you use the set command within a setProp control structure to set the same custom property for the current object, no setProp trigger is sent to the object. (This is to avoid runaway recursion, where the setProp handler triggers itself.) I assume this also applies with property set handlers too. Depending on what you are wanting to do, there are probably a number of ways to get round this. My first suggestion would be to use a regular handler or function instead of a setprop handler. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scope Problem on Standalones
On 28 Nov 2005, at 12:51, David Burgun wrote: Bu according to the documentation, the path returned should be the path to the real application, e.g. MacOSX/myApp.app/Contents/MacOS/Runtime/Stacks/StackA.rev Or perhaps: MacOSX/myApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp (real applicaiton) Have I got this wrong? I would be really grateful if someone could just let me know if: I don't think you've got it wrong. As a quick test, I made two stacks path_tester and stackA In the card script of path_tester I put this script: on preopenstack put empty into field pathlist put the filename of this stack into tPath put tPath into field pathlist set the itemDel to / put item 1 to -2 of tPath into tDir if there is a stack (tDir / stackA.rev) then toplevel (tDir / stackA.rev) end if end preopenstack I built this into a standalone. In the card script of stackA, I put this script: on preopenstack if there is a stack path_tester then put cr the filename of this stack after field pathlist of stack path_tester end if end preopenstack I then placed stackA.rev in the Contents/MacOS folder inside the standalone. On running the standalone, I get the following in field pathlist. /Users/dave/Documents/RunRevStuff/problem testers/pathtest/ path_tester/path_tester.app/Contents/MacOS/path_tester /Users/dave/Documents/RunRevStuff/problem testers/pathtest/ path_tester/path_tester.app/Contents/MacOS/stackA.rev This is with Rev 2.6.1 on OS X 10.4.3 (but I'm pretty sure it also worked this way in earlier versions). Can you show us the script that is producing the strange result? Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Load URL returns error 10049
Hi Dave No answers I'm afraid. Just more questions. On 29 Nov 2005, at 05:02, Dave Beck wrote: I'm afraid they are quite puzzling to me and seem to point towards a bug in the Rev internet lib or the engine itself, but maybe somebody with more experience could chime in on that. That can't be ruled out. But as it works for the other users, and this is the first report of this error, I'd still look at the user's setup as the probable cause. Of course, the fact that the Web Browser works suggests something wrong with Rev, but it may be just that they are doing things differently. Again, to reiterate, the problem is that the load URL command fails for this user when trying to load a web page and the URLStatus function returns error. Then the libURLErrorData function returns Error 10049. This problem is isolated to this user and the stand alone has been distributed and works as expected for over 50 others, all accessing the same hard coded URL. 10049 looks like a Windows socket error. From looking around the net, it seems to be associated with setting up servers and not client apps. (The problem is a failure to bind to an address on the local machine.) However, I can force this error by connecting to a url like this: http://255.255.255.255/something.html; But the error string returned by libUrlErrorData is error Error 10049 on socket. Sorry to harp on about this, but are you sure the error string is Error 10049. You're not filtering the message in any way? (e.g. word 2 to 3 of libUrlErrorData(tUrl)). The reason I'm asking is that I can't find anywhere in libUrl that would set the data returned by libUrlErrorData in this way. How are you getting the message? In an answer dialog? Is there any chance that it's not a Rev window popping up but a system or other utility window? What version of libUrl are you using (libUrlVersion()). Also, what version of Rev, and what version of Windows is the client using. I had the customer check to see if the same URL loaded in her browser without problems, and the answer was yes. I then built a special stand along for this customer that accesses the website directly through the IP instead of using the DNS lookup, but the same error was still generated. When you used the IP, did you set it manually or use Rev's hostNameToAddress function? If the latter, it might point to a DNS issue. A way to check would be to see the result from hostNameToAddress(servername) on the user's machine. For example, if the url you are connecting to is http://www.myserver.com/ something.html, the see what hostNameToAddress(www.myserver.com) returns. Is it a valid IP address? I then built another standalone that attempts to access google through the load command as a sanity check, and what happened was that the load failed again and this different error was returned by libURLErrorData: Error loading on socket Again I'm puzzled by the message. I'd expect to see error (lowercase) before the capitalized Error. Also, I've never come across this specific message before. Erin, I had her give me all her configuration info. There are no proxy server settings, and in the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) settings she has Obtain an IP address automatically and Obtain DNS server address automatically turned on. Just to reconfirm the proxy settings. In the Internet Options Control Panel, under the Connections tab, click the LAN Settings button. In the Automatic Configuration section at the top of the window, are any check boxes hilited. If so, this could be a problem. In an earlier mail, you said... (She already told me that she is not on an internal network or behind a firewall.) Or in light of the new info is that a moot point? This might point to some malware problem - trojan/spyware/whatever. Are you able to suggest (tactfully) that she run some kind of anti- spyware and anti-virus utilities. The only other suggestion would be to use libUrlSetLogField to log the transaction with the server. This may not reveal much if the problem is happening when opening the socket. But it's worth doing, even if just to confirm where the problem is occurring. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT - MySQL, PHP, and Japanese text
On 30 Nov 2005, at 23:45, N Cueto wrote: Good questions about Japanese and mySQL for which I hoped someone would pipe in with some good answers. In the meantime, here's the little I know. 2) at MySQL admin-level, does Japanese text require a special data type or data setting? It's varchar now. varchar is the column type, which is different from the character set used. You can set the default character set for the database, individual tables, and columns within tables. (including SJIS and utf8) For more than you ever wanted to know: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charset.html So I guess the first thing is to try and find out the character set of the database column or table in question. MySQL's default is Latin 1, but I guess if your hosting service is in Japan, they may have set a different default. There may also be other reasons for getting garbled texts. If you're also filling the database fields with data ourself, you'll need to be sure that the method used for inserting the data is comparable to how you retrieve it. So for example, if you were using utf8 in the database, and the text to insert comes from a Rev field whose textfont is set to Osaka,Japanese, you might do something like this to get the text for inserting into the database: put unidecode(the unicodeText of field data,utf8) into tData And then to put retrieved data back into a similar field: put revDataFromQuery(,,gDbId,tSql) into tData put uniencode(tData,utf8) into tData set the unicodetext of field data to tData As a little experiment, I tried storing Japanese text in a default Latin 1field in mySQL. I had some success by storing and retrieving it as UTF8, but not using Rev's UTF16 internal unicode format. The reason for the UTF16 problem was that the unicode data included a backslash character which mySQL treats specially in a Latin 1 field. So what came out was different from what went in. The UTF8 approach worked, but I did this with a limited amount of text, so there's no guarantee that other pieces of UTF8 don't include problem characters. Hopefully someone else will step in with something more lucid. :-) By the way, did you compose your mail on some small and nifty Japanese technology? The narrow text lines suggest it's smaller than the clunky computer (made from granite) I use. Does it run Rev? :-) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev performance: help! (more info)
On 5 Dec 2005, at 21:03, Jon Seymour wrote: Hi all, I fear I have a corrupted stack. The program is giving me a previous request not completed message and frankly it seems as if it's busy doing something else! The message watcher is not showing anything, though. After a while the program just crashes. Any ideas? That looks like a libUrl message. You'll get this message when you try to get or post to a url, when a previous request has not completed. I doubt it's a corrupted stack. Could you give us some more information about what your stack is doing, especially any scripts that call URLs? Then we might be able to help. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev performance: help!
I may have missed part of this thread. On 6 Dec 2005, at 19:57, Judy Perry wrote: I forgot to mention that I'm seeing alot of ulTickleMe's in the message watcher... The ulTickleMe message is sent by liburl. If you are seeing it once a second, that's normal while you have a socket open. The messages should stop when all sockets are closed. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Put something into URL returns no error
On 8 Dec 2005, at 07:20, Thomas McCarthy wrote: I'm updating a file on the web using a formula like this: put x into url ftp://name:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/folder/the_file.txt It's working great. But when I tried it see what would happen if there was no internet connection--hoping there would be an error message-- the result was empty. How can we know if a put fails? I see invalid host address in the result when I turn off the internet connection, presumably as a result of a hostNameToAddress lookup . If I change to a numerical IP address, I see error can't connect to host This was a quick check on Mac OS X. I'll check on Windows in a short while. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev performance: help! (solved)
On 7 Dec 2005, at 15:23, Jon Seymour wrote: Thanks again to Dave for insisting that I must have had a libURL call in there somewhere :) Although we solved Jon's immediate problem (wrong url), I think there must have been something else going on to produce the results he originally reported. One possible suspect was the use of a wait ... with messages statement while a url was still loading. Although we never confirmed this, it's probably worth mentioning this potential gotcha. (Brought to my attention recently by Chipp Walters.) libUrl uses the wait for messages statement to implement it's asynchronous behavior, in a wait loop something like this: repeat until some condition wait for messages end repeat This is equivalent to: wait until some condition with messages If you later use another wait ... with messages statement while the earlier one is still waiting, the earlier wait will remain stuck while the later one is waiting, even if its condition has been met. The following script illustrates this, where handler_one won't complete until handler_two completes. global gDone on mouseUp put false into gDone send handler_two to me in 10 milliseconds handler_one end mouseUp on handler_one wait until gDone = true with messages put handler_one finished cr after field 1 end handler_one on handler_two put handler_two stage 1 cr after field 1 put true into gDone repeat 3 wait 2 seconds with messages put handler_two stage 2 cr after field 1 end repeat end handler_two The upshot of this is that if you use load, then have a wait statement like this: load url myUrl wait unitl some condition with messages the load url won't complete until some condiion is met. If some condition takes a long time to be satisfied, the load will take that long as well. This is a potential problem with black box scripted libraries such as libUrl which are implementing asynchronous behavior. You can use the waitDepth function to see if there are any outstanding waits. But avoid the temptation to do something like wait until the waitdepth is 1 with messages, which immediately causes the problem. Be careful! (But not too careful. :-)) Judy, if you're reading, I wonder if this kind of thing may have had something to do with what you were seeing. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Put something into URL returns no error
On 8 Dec 2005, at 08:29, Alex Tweedly wrote: Dave Cragg wrote: On 8 Dec 2005, at 07:20, Thomas McCarthy wrote: I'm updating a file on the web using a formula like this: put x into url ftp://name:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/folder/the_file.txt It's working great. But when I tried it see what would happen if there was no internet connection--hoping there would be an error message-- the result was empty. How can we know if a put fails? I see invalid host address in the result when I turn off the internet connection, presumably as a result of a hostNameToAddress lookup . If I change to a numerical IP address, I see error can't connect to host This was a quick check on Mac OS X. I'll check on Windows in a short while. Yes, but if you turn off the connection, then the computer knows (can tell directly) that it has no connection - that's the easy case If you can, also check what happens if you have a *network* connection, but no internet connection. e.g. if you're on broadband, disconnect the wire between the router and the wall socket. But I don't need to get out of my seat to turn off the power. Thanks for the heads up, Alex. Anyway, I get the same result for the named IP (libUrl does do a lookup). With a numerical IP, I get eror socketTimeout Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How do i check for an internet connection?
On 11 Dec 2005, at 00:50, Alex Tweedly wrote: Jerry Daniels wrote: Kurt, I've been using this one since you posted it and i really like it. VERY fast. Thanks! Just remember - it often gets the wrong answer on some systems (e.g. mine). It believes I am always connected, even though about 50% of the time I'm not - because I have an in-house network (mix of Cat-5 and wifi) with an Internet connection which is *not* always connected. Alex, thanks as always for pointing out the limitations. Can I pick your knowledge a little further? Can the testForConnection function be assumed reliable for detecting a network connection of some sort, not necessarily the internet? I guess there are times when this might be sufficient. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How do i check for an internet connection?
On 11 Dec 2005, at 19:16, Alex Tweedly wrote: Sorry - was I sounding like a broken record ? And a negative one at that :-( Not at all. I really appreciate it. I think many of us are now having to or wanting to deliver things that have to work in various networked settings, and we can get carried away with our little bits of knowledge. Although I know something about things such as http and ftp protocols, I'm fairly ignorant about many aspects of networking. I'm glad for any pointers I can get (especially pointers to pitfalls). Can the testForConnection function be assumed reliable for detecting a network connection of some sort, not necessarily the internet? yes I guess there are times when this might be sufficient. I can't think of any circumstance that it is sufficient for anything meaningful. If there is something it helps with, I'd be happy to hear about it. I have nothing very practical in mind. But it's nice to store away these snippets of code with an accurate description of what they do. (note you can have a network connection with nothing but a successful link status - i.e. a hub or switch, there is no certainty that any other computer is connected; I don't see how that is sufficient for anything). Well, in a company setting, and the sales person has returned to the office from the road with his/her laptop, and has forgotten to plug it into the company network when he/she starts an app that requires a network connection... I guess it could perhaps give a better description of the problem than invalid host address. (Just thinking aloud here.) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sockets
On 11 Dec 2005, at 16:49, Björnke von Gierke wrote: Of course there is a secret Socket society! But it's easy to join: Our required readings are: Open Socket command Close Socket command Accept command If these don't help you, then you need to ask either on the use list or in chatrev :) You forgot to mention the secret handshake. :-) Dave___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sockets
This time I'll try to be more helpful. On 11 Dec 2005, at 21:34, Graham Samuel wrote: Sockets, do we need them If you just need to connect to internet URLs, you can use the get URL, load URL, etc, calls, and not have to know anything about sockets. But if you want to do something more fancy, such as build your own web server, mail client, or completely new internet protocol (see below), then you probably need to know a little. (But I can tell you from my involvement with libUrl, you don't really need to know that much, at least if you're doing these kind of things in Rev.) and is the term just a token or does it carry some metaphorical meaning? Both of those I guess. The term socket is not just a Rev expression, but is used in all computer development environments. A socket is part of the connection that computers use to communicate with each other on TCP/IP networks such as the internet and on intranets too. The following description/analogy may not be strictly accurate, but I've found it quite helpful. Remember those old-fashioned telephone switchbords where the operator stuck wires into various holes on the board. Well, imagine your computer has a similar board inside with a lot of holes numbered from 1 to 65000 or thereabouts. And the computer you want to connect to (for example, the computer that hosts www.runrev.com) has a similar set of holes. To connect your computer to the runrev computer, you can imagine connecting a wire in one of the 65000 holes in your computer and connecting it one of the holes in the RunRev computer. The sockets are the endpoints of the connection. However, with Rev, we don't really need to think about the endpoints too much, and it is often easier just to think about the connection itself. However, much as I'd prefer to script this: open connection to www.runrev.com you have to script this: open socket to www.runrev.com #(not quite correct, but see later) Now remember those 65000 or so holes on the board in your computer, and the other 65000 holes on the renRev computer. Well those holes are called ports, which is easy enough to understand. So are sockets and ports the same? Not exactly as you can open many sockets to a single port (Many wires to one hole). But from a Rev perspective, they're pretty similar. Unfortunately, when you want to connect to the runrev computer, you can't just connect to any old port (numbered hole) on the runrev computer. Many of the ports have specific functions, and you have to connect to the right one. For example, if there is a web server running on the runrev computer, it is most likely linked to port (hole) number 80, as that's the default for web servers. So when you do something like this: get url http://www.runrev.com/index.html; libUrl assumes that the htpp server is running on port 80, and so does the following as part of its stuff: open socket to www.runrev.com:80 (You *must* include the port number when you open a socket, which is why the example earlier was wrong.) OK. So once you open a socket, what do you do? Well, you write data to the socket, and read data from it. (That's about all you can do.) If your connecting to a standard server such as a web server, mail server, or ftp server, there are protocols which dictate exactly what you have to write and read. These protocols are described in documents called RFCs which are no fun to read but will help send you to sleep when you're on a long flight. (Threaten the kids with one for Christmas!) So rather than wrestling with an established protocol, it's probably easier to learn sockets by inventing a brand new protocol. (Really.) But to do this, you have to build the server part of the connection too. However, this is amazingly easy. The key syntax to running a server, is the following script: accept connections on port port number with message some handler But if you want to see how simple this can be to get started, you can try running the following client script. I have a Rev server running here right now that implements a simple protocol I invented while writing this mail. :-) To run the client, you need to make a stack with two fields and one button. Name the fields in and out. Put some text in field in (keep it below 10K to save my bandwidth). Put the following script in the button: on mouseUp put 193.109.51.205:8081 into tS open socket to tS with message connected end mouseUp on connected pS put field in into tData ##uncomment following line to see server script ## write script cr to socket pS write length(tData) cr to socket pS write tData to socket pS with message readLineOne end connected on readLineOne pS read from socket pS for one line with message readmore end readLineOne on readmore pS, pData if word 1 of pData is a integer then repeat until length(tRD) = word 1 of pData read from socket
Re: Sockets
On 13 Dec 2005, at 01:40, Jim Hurley wrote: Like Graham, I too would like to thank Alex and Dave for their detailed discussion of sockets. I tried Dave's small handler and it worked well, but only once. I went into the script to insert a break point so that I could step through it to see how it works, but it wouldn't work a second time. Even after I took the break point out, it still wouldn't work. Looks like it got all wore out after one use. I hope not. People will want their money back. :-) The server script appears to be still running here, but I'm connecting over an internal network, and so use a different IP address from the one in the script I posted. You'll have noticed a complete lack of error checking in the script I posted, and also on the server script if you managed to retrieve it. Error checking is lesson 2. :-) Unfortunately, I have to go Christmas shopping shortly (I promised), so I can't do much right now. You could add a socketError handler to the script. The sample handler in the Rev docs (under socketError) should be fine. Setting a breakpoint may not be so useful. I haven't tried this recently, but in the past I found it difficult (impossible) to use the debugger with asynchronous behavior like this. Instead, you might want to add lines to the script that record values to another field. For example, add the following log handler on logit pData put pData return after field log end logit and then add log sttaements wherever you want to inspect something. For example: on readLineOne pS logit readLineOne pS ##DEBUG read from socket pS for one line with message readmore end readLineOne Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Getting a URL form a logged in site
On 21 Dec 2005, at 02:38, Brian Yennie wrote: Dave Dennis, Those headers you report are a redirect which probably needs to be followed. What happens if you follow the URL indicated in the Location field? That URL seems to indicate from it's name that is has something to do with setting cookies. You should follow Brian's suggestion. I haven't really followed all of this thread, sorry. By the way, libUrl will automatically follow redirects if the original request is a GET, but won't follow them for POST requests. (This follows the http rfc spec.) I'm assuming your login request used POST. To extract the Location url: put libUrlLastRHHeaders() into tRHHeaders put lineOffset(Location:, tRHHeaders) into tLocLine if tLocLine 0 then put word 2 to -1 of line tLocLine of tRHHeaders into tNewLoc end if Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revOpendatabase: 10061 can't connect error
On 21 Dec 2005, at 04:15, N Cueto wrote: Hello All, Just this morning, I installed mysql (5.0, Win) and then used revOpendatabase to connect. On the machine where mysql is actually running (localhost), RunRev can connect to the database. But from the other networked machines, a can't connect (10061) error is the result. My guess is that firewall software is blocking the TCP/IP port, but I don't know how to confirm this guess (the sys-admin comes tomorrow). Or maybe it's something else. I'm assuming 10061 is a Winsock error, in which case it means the connection was actively refused by the server. I guess it may be a firewall setting as you say, or possibly a mySQL configuration setting. (I don't know anything about mySQL on Windows, sorry.) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SQLite Issue
On 27 Dec 2005, at 04:52, Scott Kane wrote: I'm getting the result It rather than the value of the field (in the example below the field is called edName). -- COLLECT name AND email put name,email into tColumnItems repeat for each item I in tColumnItems --ask question New value for column: I put Field edName into i --if it is empty or the result is cancel then exit to top put ' cleanSQL(it) ' , after tRowData end repeat Is the item variable a lowercase L or an uppercase i? Anyway, you should try one of the follwing: put ' cleanSQL(i) ' , after tRowData or put field edName into it or get field edName Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...)
On 3 Jan 2006, at 06:57, Richard Gaskin wrote: Andre Garzia wrote: On Jan 3, 2006, at 3:43 AM, Ken Ray wrote: That's so cool, Andre! Nicely done... any idea on how to do it on Windows? ;-) I bet it's a registry hack, might even be easier than Macs... I'll find out and tell you! ;-) the beauty of this solution is that the stacks never touch the disk, it's all on memory, the GURLGURL event will tell rev a URL and Rev will load it on the fly. It's not like Safari downloading the stack, taging it as a safe file type and loading after the download. I don't know if we have this kind of flexibility in windows, but I'll do some research! Is there a way to have a user set this up without having to do it manually themselves by downloading that specialized app? It would be ideal if this could be set up via AppleScript, driven by the click of a button in our apps Wouldn't this be opening up a huge security hole for users if it could be done this easily? If I understand this correctly, this would be similar to the help protocol security issue that was around with OS X 10.2.8 (or thereabouts). See the following URL. http://mamamusings.net/archives/2004/05/18/ serious_os_x_security_problem.php Andre wrote: What can you do with things such as this? Well, you can create educational resources as HTML and create little demo stacks, when the user clicks on the demo stack links inside the HTML, the app will load on demand inside Revolution (or Dreamcard player, whichever is available, you could even create your own loader using splash techniques), which would be a very easy student user experience. Unfortunately, I think someone could also add links in web pages to stacks that read/delete your hard drive contents, install and launch other apps, etc. Sorry to be the doom merchant. :-) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: One cute hack for MacOS X (... or nice internet protocol helper hacks...)
On 3 Jan 2006, at 20:38, Chipp Walters wrote: I'm just not a fan of securemode, especially if one is trying to create a real application which runs from the web. I agree with you there. It's limitations are pretty crushing. Your idea is interesting. But I'm not comfortable with the idea of registering safe stacks. And I'm also not sure how stacks can be determined as safe. I see there being two types of unsafe stack: those with malicious intent and those which are just badly programmed. Both are capable of damage. So I'm still hoping for a way to prevent stacks from doing damage, but without the current secureMode limitations. One idea I've toyed with is to always run the stackRunner/player app in secureMode, but have a helper app which runs in parallel, and which is not in secure mode. The main app would communicate with the helper app over a socket using a private protocol. The helper app would perform a limited number of actions that secureMode prohibits. For example, write to a cache folder, launch a limited number of applications, run some predefined shell commands, etc. (I'm thinking of a variety of stack runner type apps that seve different purposes, so the allowed actions might vary among implemetations.) The main app would have an API which is open to other stacks and which would allow them to take advantage of the helper app. I believe the Dreamcard Player uses a helper app like this to store preferences, even when in secureMode. But I haven't looked into it in great detail. I'd be interested to hear from anyone that has tried to implement something like this. Right now it's only an idea in my head, and before having a go I'd appreciate any advice/warnings of possible pitfalls. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: SSL Certificates on OSX (Dar :)
On 6 Jan 2006, at 14:57, David Bovill wrote: Has anyone used SSL certificates on OSX with Rev? A little. So this is definitely not expert advice. I have created and downloaded a certificate from www.cacert.org but I am not sure if this is what is required. The file is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not a .pem file. Also I am not sure where to put it or how to work with keychain access - any pointers? David, what is it you want to do with this certificate? Use it to provide your own secure web server, or to verify connections to https sites secured with certificates issued by CAcert? I'm assuming the latter. If that's right, then I *think* you will need a different certificate. I'm guessing the certificate you mention above is your personal certificate for securing websites, mail, etc. I tried this: From the following url https://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3 download the Class 1 (PEM format) Root Certificate. (This will be a file named root.crt) Then set the sslCertificates to this file: set the sslCertificates to /whatever/root.crt Then to test, try to connect to ths test url: https://www.cacert.org/ put url https://www.cacert.org/; into tData if the result is not empty then answer the result else answer seem to be working end if There should be no need to use libUrlSetSSLVerification. It is true by default, but if you have previously set it to false, then you should reset it to true. It certainly won't harm to specifically set it to true. I had some mixed success with this root.crt file. I could connect more often than not to the test url, but I also got a lot of socket timeouts. (on OS X 10.4.3) Good luck! Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: url GET https requests -- walking thru certificate issues
On 10 Jan 2006, at 01:59, Sivakatirswami wrote: Does anyone know a way to get libURL to walk thru these server responses, just like a user would in a browser? Did you try this? libUrlSetSSLVerification false It won't let you walk thru, but may let you skip them altogether. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The formatted mouseline?
On 12 Jan 2006, at 16:16, Mark Swindell wrote: I'm looking for the location of the formatted line, or its coordinates relative the field, so that I can place a graphic (an underline or somesuch) under the text of that formatted line. This has to be derived from the mouse position relative to the formatted line position as this graphic will move based on where the mouse is. Not perfect, but something like this in the field script (graphic 1 is the graphic to be moved): on mouseMove put the mouseChunk into tMC if tMC empty then get the formattedRect of tMC set the top of graphic 1 to item 4 of it end if end mouseMove I'm assuming the graphic width would be set to the width of the field. One limitation is that when the mouse moves over empty space at the end of a line, the mouseChunk returns empty. I can't think of a way round that. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: More Newby Questions
On 16 Jan 2006, at 23:02, Ben Bock wrote: I have a timed quiz spread across several cards, each card has a Next Page button. The quiz starts with a button. To start the quiz, a button has: on mouseUp startTimer go next end mouseUp The card script has: on startTimer send timesUp to me in 120 seconds end startTimer on timesUp go card Finish Card end timesUp It's probably better to place these handlers in the stack script. (see below) Here are two possible approaches: 1. In the stack script: --- local sTimerOn on startTimer put true into sTimerOn send timesUp to me in 120 seconds end startTimer on timesUp if sTimerOn then go card Finish Card end if end timesUp on NeverMind put false into sTimerOn end NeverMind -- 2. In the stack script: --- local sTimerID on startTimer send timesUp to me in 120 seconds put the result into sTimerID end startTimer on timesUp go card Finish Card end timesUp on NeverMind cancel sTimerID end NeverMind -- In both cases, the two mouseUp handlers you currently have should work fine. Note that it's important that the script local variables (sTimerID or sTimerOn) are declared outside the handlers. In this way they can be be shared by all the handlers in the stack script. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revMail, OSX 10.4.4 and Umlaute
On 17 Jan 2006, at 06:53, Sarah Reichelt wrote: revmail [EMAIL PROTECTED],Hier Ausfüllen,Text of Mail doesn´t work, but I had a look at the script in the revCommon library and it contains the following lines: put urlEncode(pSubject) into pSubject put urlEncode(pBody) into pBody replace + with %20 in pSubject replace + with %20 in pBody I would have thought they would make it work, even with umlauts, but in fact, when I commented them out, it all worked fine. Using utf8 for the subject and message text also seems to work. put uniDecode(uniEncode(Hier Ausfüllen),utf8) into tSubject revmail [EMAIL PROTECTED], tSubject,Text of Mail As with Sarah's solution, I don't know what will happen with other mail clients. But at least you can avoid editing the rev library. Cheers Dave___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: revMail, OSX 10.4.4 and Umlaute
On 17 Jan 2006, at 07:21, Dave Cragg wrote: put uniDecode(uniEncode(Hier Ausfüllen),utf8) into tSubject revmail [EMAIL PROTECTED], tSubject,Text of Mail Sorry, I repeated the original syntax error. It needs an extra comma. put uniDecode(uniEncode(Hier Ausfüllen),utf8) into tSubject revmail [EMAIL PROTECTED],,tSubject,Text of Mail Cheers Dave___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Use of keyword https
On 23 Jan 2006, at 19:17, Timothy Bleiler wrote: Thanks for the reply, I think I have the SSL Encryption library that comes with Rev. Is there something else I need? --Tim Bleiler You'll need to set the sslCertificates property to a suitable file. Or, if you don't mind not verifying the server, you can use libUrlSetSSLVerification false to avoid the need for a certificate file. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: nested ifs
On 25 Jan 2006, at 10:32, Chipp Walters wrote: I like to do the following: if tResult is Error then answer Go Ahead anyway with Cancel or OK if it is Cancel then exit to top end if Most of the time it compiles, but sometimes the single line if statement in the middle throws and error and won't compile, so I'm forced to do: The problem seems to occur before an else line. If x y then doSomething1 if a = be then doSomething2 ##problem here else doSomethng3 end if I've always assumed (without any deep investigation) that it was a result of the engine's tolerance of various if constructions. For example the following compiles: if 1 2 then put 2 else put 1 While we're on the subject, could someone who likes to use the then on the following line syntax please explain the advantages. I've always found it confusing when I come across it, but there must be a reason for using it that I haven't yet grasped. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to save data from standalone?
On 6 Feb 2006, at 21:54, Marielle Lange wrote: Using pathToUsersDocumentsFolder would therefore be a better approach, but I don't really want to create a file within this folder as the file is in a completely adhoc format that would puzzle anybody who come across it. It's not uncommon to see folder and files created by various applications in the OS X Documents folder (specialFolderPath (docs)). In mine I see the following folders: Acrobat User Data Adobe Reader AppleWorks User Data Eudora Folder Finding Out (children's learning prgram) Micosoft User Data ScanWizard 5 Folder Virtual PC List And most of the files in these folders are puzzling, to say the least. On Windows, the user's Application Data folder (specialFolderPath (26)) is the normal place to put this kind of stuff. Although on a standard Window's installation, this folder is invisible, and it can be tricky to direct a user to find the folder if, for example when things go wrong, you ever need them to delete it, or retrieve a file. There's also a Local Settings version of the Application Data folder (specialFolderPath(28)) which will always remain with the local machine and won't get transferred to a user's network roaming profile. It's typically used for cached data that isn't critical but may be large. Has anybody ever tried the User/Library/Application Support way? Is there any problem associated with this solution? I don't think there's a direct way to get this path using specialFolderPath. However, you can use specialFolderPath(asup) to get the root level Application Support folder path (e.g. /Library/ Application Support) and then append this to the $HOME environment variable. put $HOME specialFolderPath(asup) into tAppSupPath For a full listing of the specialFolderPath codes, see Ken Ray's site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file010.htm Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: liburl cgi linux
On 7 Feb 2006, at 04:13, Thomas McCarthy wrote: I'm running rev's Linux engine on my ISP. Is there a problem with the POST command? I'm assuming you want to post *from* the cgi (and not to it). In that case, you'll need to have the libUrl library loaded somehow. From the archives: Create a new mainstack and name it myLibUrl (or whatever) and save it as myLibUrl.rev. In a button, put the following script (take care of wrapping in mail): on mouseUp set the script of stack myLibUrl to the script of button revlibUrl \ of stack revLibrary set the customproperties of stack myLibUrl to the customproperties \ of button revlibUrl of stack revLibrary set the customProperties[cFtpGoodCodes] of stack myLibUrl to \ the customProperties[cFtpGoodCodes] \ of button revlibUrl of stack revLibrary save stack myLibUrl end mouseUp I've never done the next bit, but I understand it works. (Someone please tell us if I'm wrong.) Place the myLibUrl stack in the same location as your cgi script. Near the top of your cgi script, put the line: start using stack myLibUrl.rev Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: liburl cgi linux
On 7 Feb 2006, at 14:14, Thomas McCarthy wrote: I'm assuming you want to post *from* the cgi (and not to it). Yes In that case, you'll need to have the libUrl library loaded somehow. That's how I got it working before (Unix host, bsd rev engine). Now with a Linux server, it doesn't appear to be working...hmm anyway of checking? is there a site I can post to to check? Could be a useful tool. I just tried and realised the likely problem. Did you make the myliburl.rev file from a recent version of Rev? If so, the libUrl script will cause a problem with the older cgi engine. Versions of liburl from 1.1 or later include the open secure socket syntax which Rev engine versions prior to 2.6.1 won't like. Two ways round this: Make the myliburl.rev stack with an older version of Rev. or After making the myliburl.rev stack, edit the stack script and search for lines that contain open secure socket (there should be 2) and comment them out. I just did the latter, and I can post from the cgi script on a Linux server. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FTP via put opens files but fails to write data?
On 8 Feb 2006, at 04:38, Sivakatirswami wrote: This FTP script below frequently fails I get three files on the server with the correct name, but no data is written to them Typically, that's a symptom of a problem with the data source part of the put. repeat for each item x in tImages put url (tLocalLocation x) into url (tRemoteLocation x) end repeat end uploadImages You should check the url (tLocalLocation x) part is valid before trying to upload the data. Ex, put url (tLocalLocation x) into tUploadData if the result is not empty then ## do error stuff here else put tUploadData into url (tRemoteLocation x) -- check the result here end if Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Write File From Cache Really Slow?
On 8 Feb 2006, at 08:47, Ken Ray wrote: Hi, I'm downloading files via HTTP with 'load URL' and then I'm writing them to disk with put url... into binfile. Everything works fine, but it takes a really long time to write the data to disk. For example, if I download a 12MB file into the cache, it takes well over a minute to write it to disk. That's slow, and sounds suspiciously like the url is being downloaded a second time. Could you use libUrlSetLogField to see if that might be happening? So two questions: (1) is there any other way I can get a 'loaded' file to disk other than the way I'm doing it, and (2) if not, is there anything I can do to speed it up? You could use libUrlDownloadToFile to download directly to a file. Contrary to what the docs might imply, it can be used with http urls. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: liburl cgi linux
On 7 Feb 2006, at 23:37, Thomas McCarthy wrote: I just did the latter, and I can post from the cgi script on a Linux server. I forgot to ask, how did you test it? The hard way. :-) I checked the Apache error log on the server which gives the line in the CGI script where the error occurred. In this case it was the start using stack myliburl.rev line. Then, as I was responsible for adding the open secure socket line to libUrl, I had a jump start on guessing the problem. (unfair, I know) Do you have an easy way to test that anyone could use? Afraid not. You can do syntax checking by putting the cgi script in a button and making sure it will compile. But that won't catch runtime errors like this. Where possible, I try to build new cgi scripts around old ones that I know work. And then build them in stages, testing as I go. A local test server is useful for this, but not always practical. Putting the script in a try handler can help, with the catch element returning some useful diagnostic information. But I'm always on the lookout for simpler solutions. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How does a stack know it's been opened from a cgi?
On 8 Feb 2006, at 17:06, Ken Ray wrote: Hi, I have a library that I want my CGI to 'start using', but it is important that the library know whether it is being loaded from a CGI, or whether it's being loaded from a normal stack. What can a stack do to test whether it's being loaded from a CGI or not? The library stack will show the openStacks as empty when called from a CGI, assuming the cgi hasn't opened any other stacks. Could you use that? Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Setting a tabbed button
On 9 Feb 2006, at 19:12, Dar Scott wrote: I forgot how to set a tabbed button. In my app the first card comes up at the start but the button is in some leftover state. Hi, Dar. We've not seen you for a while. To get the tabbed button to correspond to the initial state, you can do either of these: set the menuHistory of button myButton to 1 or set the label of button myButton to whatever its label is Both of these will act as though the tab had been clicked. If you want to stop that happening, use lock message before setting the label/menuHistory. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Setting a tabbed button
On 9 Feb 2006, at 21:17, Dave Cragg wrote: Both of these will act as though the tab had been clicked. If you want to stop that happening, use lock message before setting the label/menuHistory. Oops. Should be lock messages Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Speed Bump
On 10 Feb 2006, at 07:06, Scott Rossi wrote: function compareData set1,set2 repeat for each item V in set1 put max(V,item 1 of set2) after tData delete item 1 of set2 end repeat return tData end compareData Here's one way. function compareData set1,set2 split set2 by comma put 0 into tCount repeat for each item V in set1 add 1 to tCount put max(V,set2[tCount]) after tData end repeat return tData end compareData Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: send mouseUp real click
On 17 Feb 2006, at 11:36, sims wrote: I have an OS X app which uses an external, it collects data and all runs fine. If that computer is set to 'sleep', upon wakeup the external is not collecting that data. If I then physically use the mouse to click a btn to stop restart that external it works fine (external collects data properly) If I use a send mouseUp to that btn it does not work the same as when I physically click with the mouse (the external does not collect data) I have tried all sorts of 'send in X seconds' and still no happiness. Is it possible that sending a 'mouseUp' to a btn is different than an actual mouse click? It's different in the sense that a click will generate both mouseDown and mouseUp events. So if your mouseUp depended on anything that be set by mouseDown, Klaus's idea is probably better. Also, manual clicking will ensure that the stack with the button is the defaultstack and possibly the topstack. Depending on what action your mouseUp handler takes, could that be a factor? Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: send mouseUp real click
On 17 Feb 2006, at 11:48, sims wrote: At 12:46 PM +0100 2/17/06, Klaus Major wrote: I have an OS X app which uses an external, it collects data and all runs fine. If that computer is set to 'sleep', upon wakeup the external is not collecting that data. If I then physically use the mouse to click a btn to stop restart that external it works fine (external collects data properly) If I use a send mouseUp to that btn it does not work the same as when I physically click with the mouse (the external does not collect data) I have tried all sorts of 'send in X seconds' and still no happiness. Is it possible that sending a 'mouseUp' to a btn is different than an actual mouse click? Any suggestions? you could try click at the loc of btn the one that wants to be touched physically Maybe that will work...(?) Tried that, doesn't work. Flowers chocolates have no effect either ;-) Sounds like you're clicking the wrong buttons. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Retrieve List of Array Properties?
On 18 Feb 2006, at 20:07, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: At 11:59 AM -0800 2/18/2006, Scott Rossi wrote: If I set some custom properties of an object via an array: set the specialData[cool] of fld 1 to hello set the specialData[hot] of fld 1 to world ...how do I retrieve a list of the custom property names (are these called indexes?) of the object? (cool, hot, etc) There are a couple of ways. One is to use the customKeys to get the current set of custom properties, after first setting the current property set to the one you want: set the customPropertySet of field 1 to specialData put the customKeys of field 1 into myPropertyList Alternately, grab the whole array of custom properties, then get the array's keys: get the customProperties[specialData] of this stack put the keys of it into myPropertyList The second way is probably cleaner: it doesn't change the current custom property set. One further way... get the customKeys[specialData] of field 1 Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Retrieve List of Array Properties?
On 19 Feb 2006, at 04:05, Ken Ray wrote: On 2/18/06 7:50 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Dave Cragg wrote: One further way... get the customKeys[specialData] of field 1 *THIS* is what I had in my mind of how it should work, but couldn't get the syntax right. Thanks very much Dave. Whoa. Never seen that before. I have mixed feelings about the syntax, wondering whether () might be more appropriate than [] in that context. Has this been in the docs all these years and I've somehow missed it? I know what you mean! It *isn't* in the docs AFAICT, so it just goes to show you can certainly teach an old dog new tricks.. Does that make me a spring chicken? :-) It's probably my old doggish behavior that accounts for me knowing this. The array style runs right through all the syntax relating to custom properties, and allows you to avoid specifically setting a customPropertySet. Being so set in my ways before the customPropertySet syntax was introduced, I've never really adapted to it, and rarely think in terms of different property sets. I always think of customPropertySets as being alternative sets of properties, For example, different language versions of error mesages, or different settings for different platforms. In these cases, it would make sense to set a customPropertySet at startup and use that for the rest of the session. But I find I more often use custom properties to store structured data, so have properties such as cUser[id], cUser[name], cUser [zodiacsign]. In this case, I don't think of there being a customPropertySet named cUser, but a single property named cUser, with many attributes. Thus my preference for the array syntax. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Switch versus if/then/else ( was: Main menu puzzle, Klaus)
On 19 Feb 2006, at 05:27, Judy Perry wrote: Yes, but do you think in these terms in day-to-day life? Well, yes. When the doorbell rings, I don't think like this: if it's the postman I'll say good morning if it's the taxman I'll get my gun if it's the neighbor etc, Instead, I'm more likely to think who could that be, and compile a list like this ... postman milkman delivery man taxman police bailiff mother-in-law daughter's boyfriend son's girlfriend's father ...which lends itself to a switch/case structure. So depending on the situation, both approaches can seem quite natural. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Frustration: put after URL...
On 20 Feb 2006, at 13:20, Thomas McCarthy wrote: Testing out my PayPal thing and running into a few walls: My brand new Windows XP (home edition) is not allowing my stack to put some text into my remote file server. put cr theText after URL ftp://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ revproject/reg/key_log.txt This has worked on every other computer, even on the same network.. Could there be some XP setting I need to...uhm, set? First, I didn't even know you could use put after url with an ftp URL. But sure enough, it works. (By the way, the engine makes two calls to the url to do this. First it retrieves the entire url from the server, then writes back the retrieved data with the new data appended. So this may not offer the efficiency you expected.) That said, I just tested this on 2.7 on Win XP, and it works fine here. Do you get any error messages? Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Frustration: put after URL...
On 20 Feb 2006, at 23:51, Thomas McCarthy wrote: Yes, I was looking for efficiency as well as privacy (not to mention simplicity!). I didn't want to do this via getting a cgi; as I understand it, those calls can be read. (is this still true if one does it through rev and not with the user's browser?) I'm not quite sure what you mean by read. But in terms of data going over the wire, ftp is just as readable as http/cgi. If you mean that the workings of a cgi form can be easily read by looking at the html source, then this is easily hidden in a Rev stack. However, if there is a question of some users' system settings blocking this, as Bruce said, then I will rework it into a cgi call. There are some other parts of the program that use 'put...after url' for updating records, so I'll rework those as well. I've had a couple of reports of ftp troubles with 2.7. There is a small change in the libUrl version distributed with 2.7 that affects ftp transfers (designed to get around a problem a few users had reported with previous versions). However, I'm waiting for log reports to see if the problems and the change are connected in any way. If you could get the transaction data for the bad ftp calls (libUrlSetLogField), I'll take a look . Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Blend Level in Fields
On 22 Feb 2006, at 03:07, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote: Is there some trick for setting transparency in fields (blend) such that the foreground color (the textcolor) is not affected by the blend level? I tried all the ink options... nothing works. I don't think it's possible yet to set the opacity of the field's background separately from its content. Regardless, it doesn't seem that big a deal to set the field's opaque to false and place a translucent image (or graphic under 2.7) behind. I'm a novice in this area, so forgive me if my ignorance shows. If the text is black, I've found setting the ink to blendMultiply, then adjusting the backcolor as appropriate can give a similar effect. Also, on OS X, setting the ink to blend doesn't seem to affect the text color, only the backgroung color. But it affects both on Win XP. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Transcript and Dot Notation
On 26 Feb 2006, at 09:04, Richard Gaskin wrote: The Secret Cause of Flame Wars By Stephen Leahy Don't work too hard, wrote a colleague in an e-mail today. Was she sincere or sarcastic? I think I know (sarcastic), but I'm probably wrong. According to recent research published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, I've only a 50-50 chance of ascertaining the tone of any e-mail message. The study also shows that people think they've correctly interpreted the tone of e-mails they receive 90 percent of the time. That's how flame wars get started, says psychologist Nicholas Epley of the University of Chicago, who conducted the research with Justin Kruger of New York University. People in our study were convinced they've accurately understood the tone of an e-mail message when in fact their odds are no better than chance, says Epley. What do you mean by that? :-) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Long load times
On 27 Feb 2006, at 23:49, Mark Talluto wrote: I have a stack that has a 45MB disk image in a custom property. When I load it into Rev 2.7, it loads instantly. When I make a standalone out of it, it takes about 35 seconds to load. I can load Rev and the stack in less than 10 seconds total. This includes a number of plugins. Why the large discrepancy? Is the stack in the standalone password protected? This can increase load times. It's not usually noticeable, but with a 45MB stack, I guess it may become so. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pie Chart Algorithms?
On 28 Feb 2006, at 21:29, Sivakatirswami wrote: OK, was musing to make a simple pie chart: make a circle and set up the center point as a fixed variable and the point on the circle as the dynamic variable and draw radius lines programatically: seems simple enough.. but: 1) draw circle graphic with shift key down to constrain to perfect circle 2) name it oval1 3) msg box: put the points of grc oval1 result: nothing I'm missing something... Where to go from here? You might want to look at the arcAngle and startAngle properties for ovals. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Read from StnIn from POST is still broken?
On 6 Mar 2006, at 10:17, Mark Waddingham wrote: Hi Sivakatirswami, Linux web server, Apache, call Rev CGI to receive incoming Post Data. Beginning lines of script to read the incoming data -- see below (suggested as a possible fix years ago by Scott Raney) (musings... it is possible that this is a client side problem? --machine A with browser B cannot in fact encode large chunks of data and the name=value pair actually arrive to the server already truncated.. meanwhile -- box C with browser D submits a large text chunk from the same form and it arrive just fine: result Rev get blamed for being intermittent failures... but he's really not the bad guy. on startup if $REQUEST_METHOD is POST then put into PostIn repeat until length(PostIn) = $CONTENT_LENGTH read from stdin until put it after PostIn end repeat put urlDecode (PostIn) into tDataIn split tDataIn by and = put keys(tDataIn) into tFields .etc. There is no reason I can see (engine-side) as to why post data should get truncated. That being said, however, you should ensure that you pass '-ui' to the revolution engine when running as a CGI. Has that option always been there?? And does it mean we don't need a Darwin engine to run on OS X? (i.e. the first line of a cgi script should be: #! /path to rev cgi/revolution -ui [ The -ui option alters a few things internally, in particular disables attempts to create any GUIs and enables stdin/stdout on systems - such as Win32 - which don't by default have these enabled ] Does using the -ui option on Win32 work with IIS? I was under the impression that the #! line wasn't read by IIS and it links the script to an executable using its own settings. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: MagicCarpet Users and 2.7 bugs
On 9 Mar 2006, at 21:14, Chipp Walters wrote: For those of you who use MagicCarpet: The only serious bug I can track down has to do with FTP and libURL. Turns out Rev 2.7 won't upload propertly to our FTP servers with the new version of libURL (MagicCarpet plugin users should be aware of this!). That said, Dave Cragg's already got a fix (and patch) and I assume it will find it's way into the dot upgrade of 2.7. If you're a MagicCarpet user and are using 2.7, I suggest you contact Dave Cragg for the libURL patch. Just a word on this before you all flood me with requests. There was small change to the FTP routine in the libUrl version that ships with 2.7. It was designed to get round a problem that some users had reported. Chipp's FTP server is the only one we know of so far to have a problem with the new libUrl version. So it's most likely some people will see an improvement with the version in 2.7, and most will see no change. Below is some background to the problem, which might help you decide whether you are suffering from the issue Chipp mentioned. But if you are having FTP problems in general, please let me know, and I'll take a look. (If you could supply some log data by using libUrlSetLogField, it would help greatly.) The background Under 2.6.1 (and earlier )a few users had reported a problem with timeouts when uploading files (usually largish ones 100KB). The timeouts occurred at a stage in the FTP process immediately after the file had uploaded, when libUrl is waiting for a 226 completed message from the server. Some people reported switching to active FTP mode helped, but this didn't work in all cases. I started experiencing the same problem after installing a new (and cheap) ADSL router. The problem also occurred when using commercial FTP client applications. Taking a hint from one of Fetch's obscure settings designed for problematic NAT routers, I added an extra do nothing command (NOOP) at the end of the upload and before checking for the 226 response. I understand that some other FTP client implementations employ a similar approach. This has worked in testing with a variety of servers. Chipp's is the first problem encountered. The error returned from Chipp's server is 421 Timeout (no new data for 900 seconds). The 900 seconds is misleading. The message comes long before that. But if you see a 421 result, then you may want to let me know, and I can send you a temporary libUrl patch. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The templateField Keyword
On 9 Mar 2006, at 19:41, Gregory Lypny wrote: Hello everyone, I tried to create a field template using the templateField keyword, but it doesn't seem to work. When I use the handler below, the text in newly created fields is Lucida Grande, but the size is 11 instead of 12, and the height is 14 instead of 18. What am I doing wrong? Regards, Gregory on openStack set the textFont of the templateField to Lucida Grande set the textSize of the templateField to 12 set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true set the textHeight of the templateField to 18 end openStack Are these newly created fields made by using the Rev tool palette? I'd assume that Rev sets the templateField every time you create a field. That would explainwhat you see. To create fields using templateField settings of your own, you need to use create field before anything else can change the templateField again. Something like this: on createField set the textFont of the templateField to Lucida Grande set the textSize of the templateField to 12 set the fixedLineHeight of the templateField to true set the textHeight of the templateField to 18 create field reset the templateField end createField Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The templateField Keyword
On 13 Mar 2006, at 00:03, Gregory Lypny wrote: What you say below is not how I expect templateField to work based on its description. I thought that setting the templateField was a one-time thing and that it remained in effect until it was reset. Your handler based on the createField message would seem to make templateField unnecessary because you're changing the style of newly created fields using a script after they've been created, whereas the point of templateField is to set those properties before. Am I misunderstanding what you've intended? I think Dan's reply clears it up. There's no need to reset the templateField, although I learned it was a good idea back when I started with Metacard, and so have followed that advice like a good boy. ;-) I think the idea is that by immediately resetting the templatex, you don't leave any surprises around for the next time you create an object. But if you're solely in charge of what gets created, then I guess it doesn't matter. The main point I wanted to make was that you should use create field in your own script to get a field that follows the template settings you have made. I don't think you can rely on the tool palette in the IDE to respect the settings you have made. I say this without knowing how the tool palette creates objects; I was just assuming it was likely to set the templateField itself before doing so. I also wasn't sure what the palette does after it has created an object, but Dan's reply suggests it sets back to the state it was in before. Sorry for any confusion. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Deleting A Card
On 13 Mar 2006, at 07:31, Andy Calloway wrote: Hiya all, I'm still just playing with RunRev, but I've come across what appears to be a problem. I created a mainstack and added seven cards (just running through the tutorials). I've now come to do something proper with them but I can't delete any of the cards. I move to the card I want to delete, choose object- delete card, say 'yes', but nothing happens. A bug or am I missing something peculiar to RunRev? Check whether you have the cantDelete property of the card set. You can see this in the card property inspector (Object menu - Card Inspector) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Would this be a situation for a Front Script?
On 13 Mar 2006, at 21:07, Garrett Hylltun wrote: I have about 200 objects on a card, and I want to have mouseEnter and mouseLeave handlers for all of them, but instead of writing code for each one, would it be better to just use a front script to intercept these events? Instead of a front script, handlers in the card script would probably be easier. This takes advantage of the Rev message hierarchy. If the mouseEnter and mouseLeave messages aren't handled in the objects themselves, the messages pass on to the card. All of them will do the same thing, which is change the color of the background of each object on enter and then change it back on leaving. I have the objects named individually like this box1 all the way through box200. So determining which object fired the event is not an issue. Small suggestion, although perhaps not so important in this case. When you have many items named basically the same but appended with a number, I find it more useful to make the names into two words. For example, box 1, box 2, box 115, etc. Then it's easy to get the numbered part by using word 2 of the short name of whatever. The handlers in this case might look like this: ## in card script on mouseEnter if word 1 of the short name of the target is box then set the backcolor of the target to color end if end mouseEnter on mouseLeave if word 1 of the short name of the target is box then set the backcolor of the target to color end if end mouseLeave Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Making the move...
On 17 Mar 2006, at 18:26, Mark Wieder wrote: Marielle- Friday, March 17, 2006, 4:44:16 AM, you wrote: many Japanese management concepts such as Total Quality Control, Quality Control circles, small group activities, labor relations. Key elements of Kaizen are quality, effort, involvement of all employees, willingness to change, and communication. Having been involved with Total Quality initiatives, Quality Control Circles, etc, on this side of the pond I can say from experience that they are doomed to failure because of underlying cultural differences. Labor and social relationships are not structured in western societies to provide the level of trust and support required to allow them to be effective. Like Lynn, I've spent a long time in Japan, and my life still carries the trappings. I agree with what you say, Mark, but I think it isn't the whole picture. In the early 80s, a guy at a Japanese steel company explained to me how his time was being taken up with visiting Americans determined to learn the secrets of Japanese TQC. He felt they were wasting their time. Not because they were incapable of learning, but because there was nothing to learn. He said that Westerners will debate and evaluate various methods until they decide on the best approach. Japanese corporations, on the other hand, will take any method, good or bad, and make it work. Having subsequently worked with a number of large Japanese corporations, I think his comments were very shrewd. In other words, it's not that Japanese methods transferred to the west are doomed to failure, but rather that any method adopted by Japanese corporations is doomed to success. (But that was in the 80s, and plenty has changed since then.) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FTP and cross platform issues...
Hi Mark On 23 Mar 2006, at 00:56, Mark Schonewille wrote: If you'd like to do a test, I'm working on an FTP client. Contact me off-list if you would like to give it a try. I noticed the above on the list. I wondered if you were planning on using the current libUrl routines in your ftp client. The reason I'm asking is that I was planning to produce a separate FTP library that would duplicate most of the existing FTP stuff in libUrl, but also add some further features. If this is something that you might be interested in, or might help your client app, please let me know, especially if you had any requests for additional FTP features not currently in libUrl. Although I've started on the new library (barely), I can't put a definite time on its completion right now. But I would like to get something completed over the next few weeks. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FTP and cross platform issues...
Sorry. My previous post was meant to go directly to Mark. Please forget you read it. :-) So you won't be disappointed when nothing appears. I should probably learn how to use e-mail before messing around with libraries. Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: somewhat OT : Rev cgi Safari
On 23 Mar 2006, at 11:18, jbv wrote: Hi list, I'm using Rev cgi and have a problem debugging a script : it's a (rather) complex subscription page to a website, with a sophisticated form and javascript functions, and on the server side a cgi with a mySQL connection. Everything works fine except for 1 version of Safari. The agent information for that version is : Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; fr-fr) AppleWebKit/312.8 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/312.6 in short, some elements of the HTML form are skipped when the user clicks the submit button... And to make things even more difficult (to reproduce and correct the bug, or find a workaround), this seems to happen only sporadically; i mean that using that specific version of Safari doesn't systematically lead to the bug... Coming late to this. Are you sure the problem is with Safari and not at the CGI end? When you say some elements of the form are being skipped, what appears at the CGI end? Are some arbitrary form elements missing, or is it that the posted data is truncated? (I'm assuming the form is using POST and not GET. If not, you can ignore this?) If it appears that the data is truncated, it may be the reading of the data in the CGI that is the problem. There is a known issue concerning reading from stdin in a cgi script if you just do this: read from stdin for $CONTENT_LENGTH To be sure you get all the data, you need to do something like this: put empty into tBuf repeat while length(tBuf) $CONTENT_LENGTH read from stdin for $CONTENT_LENGTH put it after tBuf end repeat If you know all this, my apologies. But just in case you're looking in the wrong place. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FTP and cross platform issues...
On 23 Mar 2006, at 00:31, John Patten wrote: Hello All... I searched the archives and could not come up with a solution to an FTP problem I'm having. I have an OSX Tiger Server configured for FTP. Everything works like it supposed to with both Fetch (Mac side) and FTP Commander on the WinXP side. No problem. However, I've been trying to get the WindowsXP box and Rev to upload a simple text file to the server. No success. I have tried Andre FTP utility, a couple others from the member area, my own hacks using the examples in the rev docs, and finally Chip's FTPer utility. None of them would work. The best I could see was that I was getting a time out error. I know there has been some discussion about passive/active/firewall issues, but I wonder if something else isn't amiss. On my own local network, with Win XP firewall on, I can upload to an OS X Tiger ftp server without problems. I've had the XP firewall on since the SP2 release and have had no problems. I just reset the XP firewall settings to restore default settings and still have no problems, using both active and passive. (It seems to have upset my smb connection though. :-( ) FTP severs will generally handle both passive and active requests, unless specifically set otherwise. The problems over passive/active generally occur at routers/firewalls between the client and server. Some questions: (apologies if they have been answered already) Is the server on the local network or on the internet? Is the OSX Tiger Server running OS X Server or just plain OS X? (I think they deploy different FTP servers, in case that's relevant.) In my case, it's plain OS X. Are you running any other internet security software on either the client or server machine? Can you get some log data using libUrlSetLogField in the client? This might help pin down where the problem is occurring? What version of Rev and libUrl are you using? (put libUrlVersion() in the message box will give you the libUrl version.) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Progress Bar Example
On 24 Mar 2006, at 21:42, Sarah Reichelt wrote: On 3/25/06, Jeff Honken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to use a progress bar to monitor a go stack URL. I'm clueless on how to write the code. Does someone have an example of this or can someone please point me in the correct direction. Jeff I haven't done it using stacks, but I have done it for downloading pictures from the web and I guess it's much the same. Firstly, you need to use load instead of go. This is non-blocking and reports it's status so you can show what's happening. You can show status using go as well. libUrlSetStatusCallback works for both blocking (e.g. load url) and non-blocking (.e.g. get url) calls. Below is the script of a *very crude* progress palette. The stack consists of two fields (one named url and the other named status), and a scrollbar (progress bar) named progress . Name the stack url_status (or anything you want). Make this stack a substack of your main stack. Then somewhere (e.g in your mainstack's preopenstack handler), include the following: start using url_status That's it. After that, it should work for all downloads and uploads (which may not be what you want). Cheers Dave -- local sUrls on libraryStack libUrlSetStatusCallback urlCallback, the long id of me palette me hide me end libraryStack - on releaseStack libUrlSetStatusCallback empty close me end releaseStack --- on urlCallback pUrl, pStatusString show me put pUrl into field url of card 1 of me put item 1 of pStatusString into tStatus put tStatus into field status of card 1 of me put 1 into sUrls[pUrl] if tStatus is among the items of loading,downloading,uploading then put item 2 of pStatusString into tPart put item 3 of pStatusString into tWhole if tWhole empty then showProgress tPart,tWhole else hide scrollbar progress of me put , tPart bytes after field status of card 1 of me end if --unlock screen else if tStatus is among the items of loaded,downloaded,uploaded,cached then delete local sUrls[pUrl] if the visible of scrollbar progress of me then showProgress 1,1 send hideStatus to me in 200 milliseconds ##leave visible for short time else if tStatus is among the items of error,timeout then delete local sUrls[pUrl] send hideStatus to me in 200 milliseconds ##leave visible for short time else hide scrollbar progress of me end if end urlCallback - on showProgress pPart,pWhole put the endValue of scrollbar progress of me into tMax set the thumbPosition of scrollbar progress of me to round(tMax * pPart / pWhole) show scrollbar progress of me wait 10 milliseconds end showProgress --- on hideStatus if keys(sUrls) is empty then hide me end if end hideStatus ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FTP and cross platform issues...
On 24 Mar 2006, at 23:35, Alex Tweedly wrote: Dave Cragg wrote: Can you get some log data using libUrlSetLogField in the client? This might help pin down where the problem is occurring? How do we call libUrlSetLogField ? libUrlSetLogField the long id of field whatever and to turn off: libUrlSetLogField empty Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
On 27 Mar 2006, at 07:36, Graham Samuel wrote: It seems to me that in principle we can't know how much wiggle room to leave, because we can't know how different the screen and printer versions of Windows fonts might be. I haven't any real experience of this, but I guess that for some unusual fonts they might be very different indeed. And I want my printing handler to be sufficiently generalised to allow it to print a text in any available font, chosen by the user and therefore not predictable by me. After all that's what even the most elementary text editors do. Come to that, what does the RR IDE do? Graham, I'm not sure of your exact problem, but can you use the pageHeights property? I've used this before to print multi-paged fields. But it's been a while now (more than a few days :-)), so I forget the exact details of what I did. Apologies if you've already looked at that. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Avoiding line cut-off in a multipage printout
On 27 Mar 2006, at 18:38, Graham Samuel wrote: Well, so far my experiments have been somewhat unsatisfactory. My surmise that you can't scroll beyond the bottom of the last page was correct: if say 60 lines fit on the first page and you have a total of 80 lines, scrolling the pixel equivalent of 60 lines won't make line 61 come to the top of the field: in fact AFAIK line 21 or thereabouts will come to the top of the field, so I will have to deal with the last page in a different way (for example by deleting all the lines except the ones that are meant to be on the last page, and printing what remains). I looked back at some old stacks where i'd used the pageHeights. It looks like I used two approaches. One was deleting the printed lines (as you mention above). The other was adjusting the height of the field to the same value as the current line in the pageHeights. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: FTP and Cross platform issues....
On 27 Mar 2006, at 19:21, John Patten wrote: Hi Dave... Here are the answers to your questions: snip socket 10.58.1.7|6927 socket timeout 10.58.1.7:21|6927 220 -- The log entries suggest something odd is going on. In the first line, I would expect to see a port number appended to the IP address. Like this: socket 10.58.1.7:21|6927 And although a socketTimeout is reported, the final line suggests a connection was opened and at least one line was read from the server. Strange! Can you show us the script you're using to upload the file? Also, if you're using one of the non-blocking calls (such as liburlFtpUpload), do you do anything after the call that might interfere with the liburl script. Examples would be a repeat loop that lasts for a long time, or the use of any wait commands. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Loading image data from DB
On 5 Apr 2006, at 23:37, Devin Asay wrote: I know this can be done, but it's got me stumped. Nothing conclusive from archives. I want to store image data in a mysql database and then show it in an image object in Rev. I successfully loaded an image into a field of type longblob. I know the data is there and that it's valid. This is what I tried to load the image data: global connID -- my connection id on mouseUp if connID is empty then answer You need to connect to the database first. exit to top end if put word 2 of the selectedline of fld linenumbers into tEntryNum put select illustration from vocablist where item_index = tEntryNum into tQuery put revDataFromQuery(,,connID,tQuery) into tData set the imagedata of img testImg to tData end mouseUp Did you try using revQueryDatabaseBlob instead of revDataFromQuery? Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] why eating your own haggis is not too bad for a companybased in Scotland
On 7 Apr 2006, at 18:30, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Haggis does not scare me. Just look at this, and be afraid: http://www16.ocn.ne.jp/~uoshige/shiokara.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiokara Scared? I'm married to a lady who likes and regularly serves up both (not usually on the same plate). I'm petrified, but not of the food. :-) Bon appetit Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How long does one put up with crashing? - reply
On 7 Apr 2006, at 21:19, Chipp Walters wrote: But, then there's another problem (at least for me). Currently, I'd like to get my hands on a 2.6.6 version of Rev. But the latest installer I have is 2.6.1, which when properly online updated, goes to 2.6.6 (bug fixes mostly). But, because the online update now only points to 2.7, how does one go about getting the update to 2.6.6? Is there somewhere an archived version of 2.6.6 and if so, where? Chipp, are you talking about engine version numbers or Rev App version numbers? The reason I'm asking is that I don't recall a Rev App of version of 2.6.6. The latest pre-2.7 version I have here is 2.6.1, which has an engine versione of 2.6.6. The 2.6.1 engine version is what shipped with Rev 2.5. (As of 2.7, the engine and app versions are the same, thank goodness.) Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to create hypertext links
On 7 Apr 2006, at 22:42, Bob Wilson wrote: I have a situation where I need to load forms with text that includes links. Right now, they are stored in the source database as follows: The jrain in Spain/j falls mainly in the plains. The text to be hyperlinked is rain in Spain. The j and /j are not to be displayed. I can't find anything in the Revolution documentation that describes hypertext-like characters that I can preload in the text stream to create linked text segments. So my question is - what's the best way to load this text and create linked segments while I'm loading it. It depends on exactly how you want to use the link, but take a look at linkText and linkClicked in the docs. The simplest way would be just to replace the j and /j with a and /a respectively. Then set the htmlText of the field to the string. For example: set the htmlText of field 1 to The arain in Spain/a falls mainly in the plains. The will display the link with an underline. If you click on the link, the linkClicked message will be sent to the field, passing rain in Spain as a parameter. If you'd rather the linkClicked message was sent something else as a parameter (an index number, for example) you could set alternative linkText like this: set the htmlText of field 1 to The a href=9rain in Spain/a falls mainly in the plains. Then in the field script, you would have a linkClicked handler like this (this assumes there will be other link text in the field, and that teh links are set up as in the first exampe above.) on linkClicked pLinkText switch pLinkText case rain in Spain play audioclip rineinspine ## or whatever break case she sells play audioclip sea shells break end switch end linkClicked There are some restrictions on the use of the linkClicked message. I think the field has to be locked, and it won't work with a list field. Cheers Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to create hypertext links
On 7 Apr 2006, at 23:36, Dave Cragg wrote: set the htmlText of field 1 to The a href=9rain in Spain/a falls mainly in the plains. That was a pretty poor piece of scripting. :-) put The a href= into tString put quote 9 quote after tString put rain in Spain/a falls mainly in the plains. after tString set the htmlText of field 1 to tString Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
