date:20111005

Hi :)
+1
Insults are unnecessary and unhelpful.  Personal arguments and criticisms would 
be better off-list too.  Just my opinion, clearly a lot of people disagree, but 
i agree with Marcello.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Mon, 3/10/11, Marcello Romani mrom...@ottotecnica.com wrote:

From: Marcello Romani mrom...@ottotecnica.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Impress  PowerPoint
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 12:50

Il 03/10/2011 12:52, Andreas Säger ha scritto:
 Am 03.10.2011 11:52, Marcello Romani wrote:

 Please stop spamming this list with insults to people asking for advice.
 Do their question sound stupid to you ? Your problem.
 Or are you a M$-paid troll whose job is to scare away people who want to
 try non-M$ products ?


 It is reasonable, well founded advice, particularly for the presentation
 formats.

 On topic: Yes, I have several PowerPoint presentations that are
 presentable in both programs.

 Since Impress is smaller, simplier than PowerPoint. It is logical that
 it can not support the same set of features in the same way as the more
 complex software.
 The compatibility goes exactly the other way round. The simple ppt you
 created in this program should be OK in the other program.
 If you happen to run Windows and all you need is viewing PP
 presentations you can install the free PowerPoint viewer from the
 Microsoft Office home page.



There are at least two ways to express a good idea: by writing a polite 
and thoughtful response, as you did, or by mixing it with insults. I 
think the first form acheives the best results. That's all.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] restore windows

Hi :)
Sounds painful!  Please could we have a few more details?

1.  When does the error message appear?  Does it appear when the machine 
boots-up (switches on) or when you try to open a file/document using 
LibreOffice?

2.  Can you still use other programs on that machine, such as opening the 
web-browser or playing a simple game or viewing photos?

3.  What did you re-install?  Was it LibreOffice?  Did you get the download here
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/
(There are other legitimate places to get it from but so far i have only used 2)
If you did get it from there did you change the first drop-down to Mac OS X ppc 
or intel?

4.  When you deleted the preferences did you do that from a file-browser to 
navigate to the 
/Users/user name/Library/Application Support/LibreOffice/
folder to delete the 3 folder (or the whole libreoffice folder either 
should do the trick.

5.  Have you tried opening a different document, other than the one that went 
wrong?
6.  Have you tried opening one of the other LibreOffice apps from the Mac menus 
rather than opening by clicking on a document?

Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Michael Guillet msguil...@me.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] restore windows
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 5 October, 2011, 7:18

Hi friends, 

I installed LibreOffice on my sister in laws Mac OSX Lion and after 1 day of 
using it I got a error message Restore Windows and I don't know how to get 
rid of it, I tried reinstalling it and deleting even the Preference files but 
it keeps coming back and the program is totally blocked. 

any ideas
Thanks so much
Michael

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Re: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo

Hi :)
Please feel free to update the wiki-page
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_The_Press

I added the Kim one yday but a couple of weeks ago i missed a few excellent 
articles.  I think i got the one about hospitals in Copenhagen all moving to 
LibreOffice, here's the translation
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=nprev=_thl=daie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=datl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerworld.dk%2Fart%2F118467%2F
See the link in the ComputerWorld section for the original article.  There 
are pages for other languages, just click on the lang-code at the top.  

When the Kim Show first put out an article about LO i wrote to them to ask if 
we could use the tag-line on our page and asked permission to link to their 
article (usually gets good results.  Legally, of course, linking to websites 
that are in public view is fine whoever you are but asking permission is polite 
and usually gets good results, ie 2 more articles in this case :) ).  I didn't 
have time to write to all the magazines or publishers that have articles on 
that page but there are a few i am waiting for a response from.  It might be 
good to write to them again fairly soon.  

If you find the page difficult to edit and don't know exactly where to place 
things please just do what you can and i can tidy-up afterwards (although if it 
looks nicer i might leave as is).  

Regards from
Tom :)


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From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 23:38



The eWeek Linux e-newsletter has an article for

     LibreOffice, The Document Foundation Mark First Anniversary

http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=45439l=54ctl=13A790:91D0536A255EC8E5AA35B7A6F056437A;
 
http://web.eweek.com/t?r=2c=45439l=54ctl=13A790:91D0536A255EC8E5AA35B7A6F056437A;

--

Yes, as long as the good work goes out and people see that LO is there 
and is a good alternative to MSO.

I went online and OOo is still showing 3.3.0, just like it had when LO's 
3.3.0 beat them to that version number.  I did not see any info for any 
release above that.  If there would be any updates, it would say .01 or 
.1 after 3.3, but that was not there.

As for Ubuntu 11.xx, it seems to install the highest resolution of the 
graphics card instead of the largest resolution that the monitor does.  
I found out that when I tried to install 11.04.  I may see if my CRT 
monitor will work with that resolution and then install 11.10 and reduce 
the resolution to what my LCD can do..


On 10/04/2011 01:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 LibreOffice has been pushing out upgrades not updates.  There has not been 
 anything as small as an update for LO, it's all been a lot  substantial. 

 Maybe OpenOffice is putting out a few patches and bitsbobs?  I wouldn't know 
 as the only place i have OOo is on an out-of-date Fedora (which i plan to 
 install Ubuntu 11.10 on in about a month)
 Regards from
 Tom :)

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 From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] New article about LO and OOo
 To: LibreO - Users Globalusers@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 14:16


 A new article came out with info about the differences between LibreOffice 
 and OpenOffice.org.

 The problem was the author did not get all her facts straight.

 She calls LO and OOo the same program, but it is no longer the same.  She 
 even states that LO programmers have removed a lot of code, so it is not 
 the same program any more.  Actually the move to Python code to replace Java 
 changes a lot as well.   Sure it looks similar, but that does not make it the 
 same.  I can get Ubuntu, Mint, and Debian to look the same but I do not think 
 you can call them the same either, even though they are related and came from 
 the same original code base.

 She also states OOo has picked up on its updates, but I just looked and it 
 still at 3.3.0 for its offered download from its site.  So if it was at 3.3.0 
 in the spring and in the fall it is the same, I do not think it has picked 
 up on its updates.  LO has gone from 3.3.0 to 3.3.4 and to 3.4.3 since 
 spring.

 At least she does state that most people agree that LO is the better of the 
 two, and she recommends it to her listeners.

 It is good that we have another article stating that people prefer LO over 
 OOo, but I wish she would get all of her facts straight.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Impress PowerPoint

2011-10-05 Thread Marcello Romani


Il 05/10/2011 09:16, Tom Davies ha scritto:

Hi :)
+1
Insults are unnecessary and unhelpful.  Personal arguments and criticisms would 
be better off-list too.  Just my opinion, clearly a lot of people disagree, but 
i agree with Marcello.
Regards from
Tom :)



Thanks.

I admit my comments in the last few days have not added much useful 
content for lurkers or the OPs. I just wanted to stress the fact that I 
fear newcomers to LO / OOo might be scared away if they receive hard 
responses in general help-oriented mailing list like this. Which, btw, 
I think most users see as official, and from which they thus expect 
official support. Whether or not this is a reasonable expectation is a 
different matter... :-)


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[libreoffice-users] data base program

2011-10-05 Thread Chaim Seymour

Hi all

I set up Fedora 15 on my second computer and the Libre Office is included.

As a fountain pen collector, I started building a database for my
collection. I defined the fields and built a table. I started filling the
table, but wanted to add an extra field. To my surprise, the structure of
the db had disappeared. The table works. I can add items and alphabetize.

Can one go back and rebuild the db structure from the table and if so how
does one do it?

Thanks

Chaim

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Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-05 Thread Thorsten Behrens

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 From: Marc Paré [mailto:m...@marcpare.com] 
 
 Thanks to all the people who answered this. It seems whether LibreOffice 
 is partially or completely compliant to OASIS version 1.2 is more 
 complicated to establish for non-dev people.
 
LibO is, like OOo, an extended conformance producer/consumer of
ODF1.2, in its default setup. Choosing ODF format version 1.2 in
Tools-Options-Load/Save-General makes it produce conforming ODF
documents as per 22.2.1.

Everything else is a bug. :)

   There is basically schema validation available, and there are a variety
   of schema verifiers.  It would be good to work cooperatively to improve
   them.  (Schema validity assessment is not enough to know that all of the 
   ODF rules not baked into the schema are honored, but it is an important
   first-order start.)

http://www.probatron.org:8080/officeotron/officeotron.html to the
best of my knowledge goes beyond pure schema verification, but also
e.g. checks various prose-only normative requirements (e.g. for the
zip package).

I'm not subscribed to the users list, so if you need my answer,
please Cc me.

Cheers,

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Interviewer, anyone?

2011-10-05 Thread e-letter

On 05/10/2011, Bruce Carlson br...@grahamgroup.com.au wrote:
on  Wednesday, 5th. of October 2011 at 12:21 PM, NoOp wrote:
Each of us may 'plonk' him/her, but thousands of others will still see the
 posts. I'd suggest that it's time for an LO list moderator step in and block
 callmeshane...@gmail.com from the list altogether.


Long term is pointless; nothing to stop another e-mail address being created.

 I agree with NoOp.

 Some of this individual's comments have provided a little light comic
 relief, however the majority of it's comments have been nothing more than
 obscene arrogant mindless spiteful personal attacks designed to do nothing
 more than interrupt and slander the workings of a perfectly good
 organisation. I don't think any of us need that in our lives.


It is surprising to read such language, especially on an open mailing
list. One can only assume that the poster is immature; in time will
look back on his/her posts with embarrassment perhaps.

 The purpose of this list is to help each other and to argue new ideas, not
 for posting obscenities from the gutter.

Unfortunately, this is the price of freedom of expression. As a
digest-mode user, such messages are not received directly and so not
too problematic to ignore.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

Thank you for the link, Thorsten (I can't CC you because Nabble doesn't allow
that)


Thorsten Behrens wrote:
 
 LibO is, like OOo, an extended conformance producer/consumer of
 ODF1.2, in its default setup. Choosing ODF format version 1.2 in
 Tools-Options-Load/Save-General makes it produce conforming ODF
 documents as per 22.2.1.
 

I think most users are aware of that. The funny (??) part is NONE of the ODF
documents I ever created with LO is a valid ODF 1.2 document. It makes me
wonder what was the point of making it a Standard and requesting ISO
compliance if not even LO follows the rules...

Just a thought...

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Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

Hi :)
As Thorsten said, almost any case of non-conformance is considered a bug. 
There are some bug-reports posted about specific examples of non-conformance
which get posted when people find examples of non-conformance and feel up to
the challenge of posting a bug-report about it.  

Many programs don't fully comply with their own specs.  OpenSource ones tend
to try to fix that through bug-reports and such-like.  We often grumble when
we find an example of a proprietary program, such as MS Office, not
complying with it's specs.  
Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] data base program

Chaim,

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 13:57 +0200, Chaim Seymour wrote: 

 Hi all
 
 I set up Fedora 15 on my second computer and the Libre Office is included.
 
 As a fountain pen collector, I started building a database for my
 collection. I defined the fields and built a table. I started filling the
 table, but wanted to add an extra field. To my surprise, the structure of
 the db had disappeared. The table works. I can add items and alphabetize.
 
 Can one go back and rebuild the db structure from the table and if so how
 does one do it?
 

Right click on the table and select edit and you will see the table
design. Make your changes, adding new columns should not cause any
problems with data integrity and save. When open the database for data
entry you will see the new column. 

 Thanks
 
 Chaim
 
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 Israel
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [tdf-discuss] OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-05 Thread Marcello Romani


Il 03/10/2011 00:41, Jaime R. Garza ha scritto:

Hello All,

Why isn't ODF added as an extension of HTML5?

This would define ODF as the defacto Web Standard for Files!

An ideas who could try to pursue such an agreement?

Cheers!

Jaime




Doesn't make sense to me: html5 and odf have two totally different scopes.
Or am I missing something obvious ?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved


Tom wrote:
 
 Many programs don't fully comply with their own specs.  
 

The fact that many programs do that makes it correct?


Tom wrote:
 
 OpenSource ones tend to try to fix that through bug-reports and such-like. 
 We often grumble when we find an example of a proprietary program, such as
 MS Office, not complying with it's specs.  
 

The fact that you can report bugs isn't synonymous that someone will try to
fix it ;)

MS doesn't have to publish any specs. And most MS formats are closed source.
It is in their best interest that only their program is 100% compatible.

If you bother to create an open format so that any program can open it (and
therefore freeing you from vendor lock), any incompatibility with the
standard is bound to create problems when you try to open the document in
another program...

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[libreoffice-users] toolbars automatic appearance behaviour

2011-10-05 Thread e-letter

Readers,

When opening a document and a particular object becomes visible (e.g.
a table) a floating toolbar appears (e.g. table toolbar).

How to configure LO to stop this behaviour?

Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] toolbars automatic appearance behaviour

Hi :)
I think people try to add that annoying toolbar at the end of one of the 
existing ones or at the end of a custom toolbar so when it appears it's hidden 
off-screen a bit.  Not an elegant work-around!
Regards from
Tom :)

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Date: Wednesday, 5 October, 2011, 17:01

Readers,

When opening a document and a particular object becomes visible (e.g.
a table) a floating toolbar appears (e.g. table toolbar).

How to configure LO to stop this behaviour?

Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] restore windows

2011-10-05 Thread Cor Nouws


Hi Michael,

Michael Guillet wrote (05-10-11 08:18)


... I got a error message Restore Windows and I don't
know how to get rid of it, I tried reinstalling it and deleting even
the Preference files but it keeps coming back and the program is
totally blocked.


If it is a window with the Cancel button, use that.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] restore windows

2011-10-05 Thread Mike

I will have to wait and check tomorrow. Sorry

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 Hi Michael,
 
 Michael Guillet wrote (05-10-11 08:18)
 
 ... I got a error message Restore Windows and I don't
 know how to get rid of it, I tried reinstalling it and deleting even
 the Preference files but it keeps coming back and the program is
 totally blocked.
 
 If it is a window with the Cancel button, use that.
 
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[libreoffice-users] unsubscribe

2011-10-05 Thread Ilja Gerhardt

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

That is not a bug. As someone told me long ago:  This is a natural
consequence of doing calculations with finite precision. (And, in this case,
using base 2.)

If you try the same in Excel, Gnumeric or any other spreadsheet you will get
the same (or similar) errors around 4.1 or 4.0

You can do a workaround but I think there is no solution...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone?

2011-10-05 Thread J.A. de Vries

 Hello,
 
 thanks for your interest!
 
 jorge wrote on 2011-10-05 02:29:
  1) How good have to be my english ?
 
 it should be a good English, since we want to publish the interview in
 printed form and you need some understanding of the responses. It is
 about the progress and achievements at the Hackfest that took place at
 the beginning of September.
 
  2) Who is the person that I will interview ?
 
 One of our developers volunteered to be interviewed.
 
  3) How is going to be the interview: chat, write, videoconference ?
 
 Best would be via e-mail.
 
 Florian

Hi Florian,

Sorry for replying to this message instead of the original request. Had 
deleted it already before rethinking my position.

Can you give me an indication of the size of the text that you have in mind? 
How many words does the article have to be? What exaclty is your intended 
audience? Is there a message that needs to be brought across? Al these factors 
influence the form of the resulting text.

If it is something I can do before October 12 I might be able to help you out. 
I do have some experience with writing/editing for publication and am quite 
familiar with LO. However, even thought I do program, I do not have any 
experience with the code for LO.

Send me a PM if you want to take me up on my offer.

Grx HdV

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Re: [libreoffice-users] toolbars automatic appearance behaviour

2011-10-05 Thread Sigrid Carrera

Hi, 

On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:01:22 +0100
e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Readers,
 
 When opening a document and a particular object becomes visible (e.g.
 a table) a floating toolbar appears (e.g. table toolbar).
 
 How to configure LO to stop this behaviour?

next time the unwanted toolbar appears, just close it (with the x
button on the top right corner). If you ever need the toolbar again,
you can activate it again by using View  Toolbars. 

Sigrid

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[libreoffice-users] Re: toolbars automatic appearance behaviour

2011-10-05 Thread Andreas Säger


Am 05.10.2011 18:01, e-letter wrote:

Readers,

When opening a document and a particular object becomes visible (e.g.
a table) a floating toolbar appears (e.g. table toolbar).

How to configure LO to stop this behaviour?

Thanks.



When you use the menu command ViewToolbarxxx, the toolbar will be 
hidden permanently.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interviewer, anyone?

2011-10-05 Thread jorge

Florian:

I think that I can do because I usually understand the e-mails of the
users@global list.

I suggest this way:

1) I will prepare some questions for the interviewed and I will send
him o her.

2) I will receive his o her answer of the questions.

3) I will prepare a second group of questions from his or her answer
(2))to know more about him or her and their activities and thoughts.

4) I will order all the questions and answers and send them where you
say and in the document format you need (.odt or .pdf or .txt).

Regards,

Jorge Rodríguez
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El mié, 05-10-2011 a las 09:12 +0200, Florian Effenberger escribió:
 Hello,
 
 thanks for your interest!
 
 jorge wrote on 2011-10-05 02:29:
 
  1) How good have to be my english ?
 
 it should be a good English, since we want to publish the interview in 
 printed form and you need some understanding of the responses. It is 
 about the progress and achievements at the Hackfest that took place at 
 the beginning of September.
 
  2) Who is the person that I will interview ?
 
 One of our developers volunteered to be interviewed.
 
  3) How is going to be the interview: chat, write, videoconference ?
 
 Best would be via e-mail.
 
 Florian
 

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Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

Hi Tom


Tom wrote:
 
 We are making a big fuss about very trivial differences.  
 

How do you know they are trivial? In the document I referred previously in
this topic, after conversion to ODF, which took me a few hours, opening in
Abiword 2.9.1 or Textmaker 2012 (Beta) is useless.

The only other program where the file looks _similar_ is in IBM Lotus
Symphony 3.0

So I'm not talking about trivialities... And this is a small 51 page
report...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Interviewer, anyone?

2011-10-05 Thread Bob Williams


On 05/10/11 07:01, Cor Nouws wrote:

NoOp wrote (05-10-11 03:20)


Each of us may 'plonk' him/her, but thousands of others will still see
the posts. I'd suggest that it's time for an LO list moderator step in
and block callmeshane...@gmail.com from the list altogether.


Yes. And also wise is, if people at this list simply ignore posts like
the ones from that person.


Agreed. Don't feed the trolls.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function


Juan Carlos wrote:
 
 I have done the same thing with google docs and it did  it with no errors.
 

Actually, Google just cheats :)
It only allows 10 decimal cases. 

Since the first error in Excel at 4.0 requires 14 decimal cases to be shown
it will never show up in Google Docs.

Do this calculation in Google Docs and you can test for yourself that it is
using Base 2 calculations as well

4095414.77 - 4095398.34 =

Sorry about the bad news...

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

Here is a workaround:

Type 5.5 in A1 and then type =ROUND(A1-0.1,1) in A2 (make sure the decimal
and separator are the same for you)
Then just select A2 and drag it down ;)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

2011-10-05 Thread JOE Conner


On 10/5/2011 9:59 AM, Pedro wrote:

That is not a bug. As someone told me long ago:  This is a natural
consequence of doing calculations with finite precision. (And, in this case,
using base 2.)

If you try the same in Excel, Gnumeric or any other spreadsheet you will get
the same (or similar) errors around 4.1 or 4.0

You can do a workaround but I think there is no solution...

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Perhaps the attached XNumbers spreadsheet can help.
Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA

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[libreoffice-users] Re: No anti-aliasing with Graphite fonts

2011-10-05 Thread NoOp

On 10/04/2011 08:02 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote:
 It's easy to see the difference between the G and the O versions. I find
 that same when printing directly to the printer.
 
 I'm not sure if you are suggesting that they should be the same. My 
 understanding is that they should not be the same, because the OTF 
 versions are missing the extra graphite features. An easy test it to try 
 typing ff in each of the fonts - in the graphite version the two fs 
 are closer together than in the OTF version and the second f is 
 slightly larger than the first.

Now I see what you mean. See the link to the screenshot below.

 
 Where did you install them from  where did you put them?
 
 I just naively installed them with the KDE font installer on one box, 
 and the Gnome font installer on the other. That seems to have put them 
 under /usr/local/share/fonts/

Got it.

 
 If LO is installed directly they are in the /opt folders:
 $ ls /opt/libreoffice3.4/basis3.4/share/fonts/truetype
 
 Obviously Debian puts these someplace else - I have no /opt/libreoffice* 
 directory. In fact AFAICT the LO that I have includes no fonts at all. 
 That is, I have grepped the file list from all

That is because your's is installed from the Debian repo  mine is
installed directly from LO.

 
 When I tested I removed all and installed directly to ~/.fonts
 
 I have no ~/.fonts directory either.

I add a ~/.fonts folder so that I can easily add/remove fonts. It's
particularly helpful when testing fonts. Note that it's user specific 
not system-wide (i.e., available across multiple user accounts) as the
fonts do not get installed into /usr/share. If I like the font then I
will go ahead and install system-wide.

 
When you tried the
 'Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|uncheck 'Screen font antialiasing' did
 the screen Graphite fonts change in LO?
 
 Yes it did change. So it is doing some kind of anti-aliasing, but still 
 looks wrong. Is it worth my making a screenshot?
 

Not if it looks any different than this:
http://postimage.org/image/2apqbvxac/
Otherwise, yes it might be a good idea.
Note that I set the font size at 20 so that I could easily see the
difference.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function


JOE Conner wrote:
 
 Perhaps the attached XNumbers spreadsheet can help.
 

This mailing list doesn't allow attached files. 
Please upload it somewhere or explain what you did ;)

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

Hi :)
@ Pedro, very nice work-around and good explanation.  Thanks for that and
thanks for clarifying that we are not alone there :)

@ Joe, Nabble allows uploads for free and helps keep the upload with the
thread for people reading this in the future.  This thread
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=replynode=3397636
In Nabble click on Reply and then on More Options.  then you get a
fairly familiar upload thing very much the same as uploading an attachment
to an email.  Nabble then uploads and pastes a link to the file straight
into the message box.  

It's really nice to see Nabble working again after the problems over the
last week or so.  
Regards from
Tom :)

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[libreoffice-users] Problem installing on Windows 7, with workaround

2011-10-05 Thread Op Ed

All,

Anyone else having installation problems with LibO 3.4.3?
I've been using OpenOffice for years, and jumped to LibreOffice when it was
first released.
No big problems on Windows XP at work, or OSX Lion at home (nor Linux
anywhere...).

Now my office computer has been upgraded to Windows 7 Pro (i.e., complete
wipe of
the hard drive and the new OS installed from a corporate image). So I'm
re-installing
all my working software. This has become a pain because corporate no longer
allows
us to have administrator access on our own computers.

Anyway, I downloaded LibO_3.4.3_Win_x86_install_multi.exe and ran it.
Had to get mommy to come to my desk and authenticate as admin, but
otherwise the installation proceeded with no errors or obvious hiccups.

But I couldn't find it.

LibreOffice did not appear as an option when right-clicking a .odt file and
selecting Open with...
There was no mention of libreoffice in All Programs.
There was no mention of libreoffice in Control Panel  Programs  Programs
and Features
(formerly Add/Remove Programs).

The installation dialog had finished with an announcement of success and a
checkbox
to add a launch icon to the desktop.  There was no icon.

I found the launching executable soffice.exe along with the individual
.exe files in
C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreOffice 3.4\program
and made a shortcut for the desktop, which works.

It will take additional tinkering to get it into the All Programs list.
I guess it will never appear in  Programs and Features.

I downloaded and installed twice, in case the first time was a fluke.
It wasn't.
No doubt the problem is due to some peculiarity of our corporate
Windows 7 roll-out (still being tinkered by our IT gnomes), but others
might encounter the same issue, so I'm mentioning the workaround in case I'm
not unique.

Regards,

 /kevin

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem installing on Windows 7, with workaround

2011-10-05 Thread Op Ed

OK, here's me, replying to myself.

Further little problem.  Not yet solved.

Because the program does not appear in the programs list, it is not an
option
when trying to open a .odt file (or any kind of file) from the file system.


That is, I cannot simply right-click a .odt file or a .docx file and click
Open with... .
The resulting list does not include LibO, so I can't select it.

Is there a quick-and-dirty way to add it without tinkering with the
Registry?

Meanwhile, I open LibO and use the program's file browser to select the
files to open.  Not entirely convenient.

Again, this is Windows 7 Professional.

Also, within the LibO interface, how do I set Writer as the Windows default
program to open .odt files?

Thanks.


On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Op Ed op.ed.s...@gmail.com wrote:

 All,

 Anyone else having installation problems with LibO 3.4.3?
 I've been using OpenOffice for years, and jumped to LibreOffice when it was
 first released.
 No big problems on Windows XP at work, or OSX Lion at home (nor Linux
 anywhere...).

 Now my office computer has been upgraded to Windows 7 Pro (i.e., complete
 wipe of
 the hard drive and the new OS installed from a corporate image). So I'm
 re-installing
 all my working software. This has become a pain because corporate no longer
 allows
 us to have administrator access on our own computers.

 Anyway, I downloaded LibO_3.4.3_Win_x86_install_multi.exe and ran it.
 Had to get mommy to come to my desk and authenticate as admin, but
 otherwise the installation proceeded with no errors or obvious hiccups.

 But I couldn't find it.

 LibreOffice did not appear as an option when right-clicking a .odt file
 and
 selecting Open with...
 There was no mention of libreoffice in All Programs.
 There was no mention of libreoffice in Control Panel  Programs  Programs
 and Features
 (formerly Add/Remove Programs).

 The installation dialog had finished with an announcement of success and a
 checkbox
 to add a launch icon to the desktop.  There was no icon.

 I found the launching executable soffice.exe along with the individual
 .exe files in
 C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreOffice 3.4\program
 and made a shortcut for the desktop, which works.

 It will take additional tinkering to get it into the All Programs list.
 I guess it will never appear in  Programs and Features.

 I downloaded and installed twice, in case the first time was a fluke.
 It wasn't.
 No doubt the problem is due to some peculiarity of our corporate
 Windows 7 roll-out (still being tinkered by our IT gnomes), but others
 might encounter the same issue, so I'm mentioning the workaround in case
 I'm not unique.

 Regards,

  /kevin




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[libreoffice-users] Adding a song to an Impress presentation

Is there any way to add a song to the 2nd or 3rd slide of a presentation and
make it play through the rest of the presentation? Or when it gets through
to start playing another song until it gets through? And so on.
Roxy

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problem installing on Windows 7, with workaround

2011-10-05 Thread Onyeibo Oku

Set default applications. Usually on startup menu.

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from twohot@device.mobile :)

-Original Message-
From: Op Ed op.ed.s...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:34:41 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Reply-To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: op.ed.s...@gmail.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problem installing on Windows 7, with 
workaround

OK, here's me, replying to myself.

Further little problem.  Not yet solved.

Because the program does not appear in the programs list, it is not an
option
when trying to open a .odt file (or any kind of file) from the file system.

That is, I cannot simply right-click a .odt file or a .docx file and click
Open with... .
The resulting list does not include LibO, so I can't select it.

Is there a quick-and-dirty way to add it without tinkering with the
Registry?

Meanwhile, I open LibO and use the program's file browser to select the
files to open.  Not entirely convenient.

Again, this is Windows 7 Professional.

Also, within the LibO interface, how do I set Writer as the Windows default
program to open .odt files?

Thanks.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Op Ed op.ed.s...@gmail.com wrote:

 All,

 Anyone else having installation problems with LibO 3.4.3?
 I've been using OpenOffice for years, and jumped to LibreOffice when it was
 first released.
 No big problems on Windows XP at work, or OSX Lion at home (nor Linux
 anywhere...).

 Now my office computer has been upgraded to Windows 7 Pro (i.e., complete
 wipe of
 the hard drive and the new OS installed from a corporate image). So I'm
 re-installing
 all my working software. This has become a pain because corporate no longer
 allows
 us to have administrator access on our own computers.

 Anyway, I downloaded LibO_3.4.3_Win_x86_install_multi.exe and ran it.
 Had to get mommy to come to my desk and authenticate as admin, but
 otherwise the installation proceeded with no errors or obvious hiccups.

 But I couldn't find it.

 LibreOffice did not appear as an option when right-clicking a .odt file
 and
 selecting Open with...
 There was no mention of libreoffice in All Programs.
 There was no mention of libreoffice in Control Panel  Programs  Programs
 and Features
 (formerly Add/Remove Programs).

 The installation dialog had finished with an announcement of success and a
 checkbox
 to add a launch icon to the desktop.  There was no icon.

 I found the launching executable soffice.exe along with the individual
 .exe files in
 C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreOffice 3.4\program
 and made a shortcut for the desktop, which works.

 It will take additional tinkering to get it into the All Programs list.
 I guess it will never appear in  Programs and Features.

 I downloaded and installed twice, in case the first time was a fluke.
 It wasn't.
 No doubt the problem is due to some peculiarity of our corporate
 Windows 7 roll-out (still being tinkered by our IT gnomes), but others
 might encounter the same issue, so I'm mentioning the workaround in case
 I'm not unique.

 Regards,

  /kevin

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

2011-10-05 Thread JOE Conner


On 10/5/2011 12:25 PM, Pedro wrote:

JOE Conner wrote:

Perhaps the attached XNumbers spreadsheet can help.


This mailing list doesn't allow attached files.
Please upload it somewhere or explain what you did ;)

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I included the OP as an addressee.  He who had the problem also got this 
possible solution.

Joe

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Adding a song to an Impress presentation

2011-10-05 Thread Don C. Myers


On 10/05/2011 04:43 PM, ycor wrote:

Is there any way to add a song to the 2nd or 3rd slide of a presentation and
make it play through the rest of the presentation? Or when it gets through
to start playing another song until it gets through? And so on.
Roxy

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I don't know the answer to your question with respect to Impress. But 
something I have done is to make slide shows in my video editing program 
by using pictures instead of actual video, and then adding narration and 
background music. It worked quite well.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problem installing on Windows 7, with workaround

Kevin

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 16:34 -0400, Op Ed wrote: 

 OK, here's me, replying to myself.
 
 Further little problem.  Not yet solved.
 
 Because the program does not appear in the programs list, it is not an
 option
 when trying to open a .odt file (or any kind of file) from the file system.
 
 
 That is, I cannot simply right-click a .odt file or a .docx file and click
 Open with... .
 The resulting list does not include LibO, so I can't select it.
 
 Is there a quick-and-dirty way to add it without tinkering with the
 Registry?
 
 Meanwhile, I open LibO and use the program's file browser to select the
 files to open.  Not entirely convenient.
 
 Again, this is Windows 7 Professional.

With Windows 7 home/64 I had no problems and have not heard of anyone
having problems similar to yours. I suspect your suspicion that someone
is tinkering with the Win7 install is probably correct. I will differ to
the Windows gurus, I have a better feel for Linux.

MSO does not handle ODF 1.2 formats only up to 1.1 

 
 Also, within the LibO interface, how do I set Writer as the Windows default
 program to open .odt files?
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Op Ed op.ed.s...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  All,
 
  Anyone else having installation problems with LibO 3.4.3?
  I've been using OpenOffice for years, and jumped to LibreOffice when it was
  first released.
  No big problems on Windows XP at work, or OSX Lion at home (nor Linux
  anywhere...).
 
  Now my office computer has been upgraded to Windows 7 Pro (i.e., complete
  wipe of
  the hard drive and the new OS installed from a corporate image). So I'm
  re-installing
  all my working software. This has become a pain because corporate no longer
  allows
  us to have administrator access on our own computers.
 
  Anyway, I downloaded LibO_3.4.3_Win_x86_install_multi.exe and ran it.
  Had to get mommy to come to my desk and authenticate as admin, but
  otherwise the installation proceeded with no errors or obvious hiccups.
 
  But I couldn't find it.
 
  LibreOffice did not appear as an option when right-clicking a .odt file
  and
  selecting Open with...
  There was no mention of libreoffice in All Programs.
  There was no mention of libreoffice in Control Panel  Programs  Programs
  and Features
  (formerly Add/Remove Programs).
 
  The installation dialog had finished with an announcement of success and a
  checkbox
  to add a launch icon to the desktop.  There was no icon.
 
  I found the launching executable soffice.exe along with the individual
  .exe files in
  C:\Program Files (x86)\LibreOffice 3.4\program
  and made a shortcut for the desktop, which works.
 
  It will take additional tinkering to get it into the All Programs list.
  I guess it will never appear in  Programs and Features.
 
  I downloaded and installed twice, in case the first time was a fluke.
  It wasn't.
  No doubt the problem is due to some peculiarity of our corporate
  Windows 7 roll-out (still being tinkered by our IT gnomes), but others
  might encounter the same issue, so I'm mentioning the workaround in case
  I'm not unique.
 
  Regards,
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

2011-10-05 Thread JOE Conner


On 10/5/2011 12:37 PM, Tom wrote:

Hi :)
@ Pedro, very nice work-around and good explanation.  Thanks for that and
thanks for clarifying that we are not alone there :)

@ Joe, Nabble allows uploads for free and helps keep the upload with the
thread for people reading this in the future.  This thread
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=replynode=3397636
In Nabble click on Reply and then on More Options.  then you get a
fairly familiar upload thing very much the same as uploading an attachment
to an email.  Nabble then uploads and pastes a link to the file straight
into the message box.

It's really nice to see Nabble working again after the problems over the
last week or so.
Regards from
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I went to your link, I see the message stream, I do not see a reply 
button.  A total waste of time.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] toolbars automatic appearance behaviour

2011-10-05 Thread e-letter

On 05/10/2011, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:01:22 +0100
 e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Readers,

 When opening a document and a particular object becomes visible (e.g.
 a table) a floating toolbar appears (e.g. table toolbar).

 How to configure LO to stop this behaviour?

 next time the unwanted toolbar appears, just close it (with the x
 button on the top right corner). If you ever need the toolbar again,
 you can activate it again by using View  Toolbars.


This is already known; this request is to configure LO so that
unwanted toolbars _never_ appear unless they have been requested via
the options in the menu bar. It is an example of unwanted design. The
analogy is with the noscript extension for firefox; if the web page
reader does _not_ want ecmascript code to run, (s)he can configure the
web browser to prevent any ecmascript being activated _by default_ and
code only runs when specifically wanted.

This feature of automatically displaying a table toolbar when a
table becomes visible is an annoyance and provides no benefit,
especially frustrating as there is no function to control this
behaviour; it was expected to find such a function in the menu bar
option 'tools'|'auto correct options'.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Adding a song to an Impress presentation

Don,
This slide presentation will probably be about 100 slides long when I finish it
- though it
will never really be finished. It is a listing, if you will, of the deceased
alumni from the
small high school where I graduated. It currently starts with the class of 1919
and runs to
the present. In most cases one slide contains each class, though there are some
classes that
cover 2 pages. I have 3 or 4 songs I'd like to use while the presentation is
running - one
starting when the previous completes. And then starting back with the first one
again. I'm
not sure how that would transfer over into a video program.
Roxy

On 10/05/2011 04:43 PM, ycor wrote:
Is there any way to add a song to the 2nd or 3rd slide of a presentation and
make it play through the rest of the presentation? Or when it gets through
to start playing another song until it gets through? And so on.
Roxy

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I don't know the answer to your question with respect to Impress. But
something I have done is to make slide shows in my video editing program
by using pictures instead of actual video, and then adding narration and
background music. It worked quite well.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 11:15 -0700, Pedro wrote:

Juan Carlos wrote:

I have done the same thing with google docs and it did it with no errors.

Actually, Google just cheats :)
It only allows 10 decimal cases.

Since the first error in Excel at 4.0 requires 14 decimal cases to be shown
it will never show up in Google Docs.

Do this calculation in Google Docs and you can test for yourself that it is
using Base 2 calculations as well

4095414.77 - 4095398.34 =

Sorry about the bad news...

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This is not just a spreadsheet issue but related to the precision of the
floating point numbers with computers. Basically the more bytes used for
the number the better the precision. A general rule it is easier to get
more precision with 64 bit computers than 32 bit computers, however
software may limit the precision for compatibility reasons to the
equivalent of 32 bit.

A related issue, not a computer only problem, occurs when you subtract
two numbers the precision of the answer drops drastically. In the above
example the answer is 16.43. If the two numbers were measurements, the
significant figures state that each number is only accurate to about +/-
0.02 and when subtracted the error is basically additive. Division is
another area were you can get some wacky precision effects especially
when dividing a small number with a large number. This is called
propagation of error. The calculations that are done on real data the
worse the error is in the final answer, this is true if you did the
calculations with a pen and paper, calculator, or computer. Calculating
the propagation can be very tedious. Often the problem of the underlying
precision of the data is more significant than the computer's precision,
but it is not always true. To fully understand the effects, one should
do some propagation of error based on the data and on the computer's
precision.

If you saw some number in a spreadsheet for the above that was slightly
different than 16.43 it is fundamentally due to the precision of all
floating arithmetic on computers. The spreadsheet may make worse by
rounding the floating precision to a lower one than the computer can
handle. When I did the calculation on my cell phone I got
16.43168 and using Calc 16.430002.

If you want a more detailed discussion on precision problems, both from
the data and from the computer, consult a numerical methods text.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Interviewer, anyone?

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 18:55 +0100, Bob Williams wrote: 

 On 05/10/11 07:01, Cor Nouws wrote:
  NoOp wrote (05-10-11 03:20)
 
  Each of us may 'plonk' him/her, but thousands of others will still see
  the posts. I'd suggest that it's time for an LO list moderator step in
  and block callmeshane...@gmail.com from the list altogether.
 
  Yes. And also wise is, if people at this list simply ignore posts like
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 Agreed. Don't feed the trolls.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

2011-10-05 Thread Steve Edmonds

On 2011-10-06 10:52, planas wrote:
Hi

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 11:15 -0700, Pedro wrote:

Juan Carlos wrote:

I have done the same thing with google docs and it did it with no errors.

Actually, Google just cheats :)
It only allows 10 decimal cases.

Since the first error in Excel at 4.0 requires 14 decimal cases to be shown
it will never show up in Google Docs.

Do this calculation in Google Docs and you can test for yourself that it is
using Base 2 calculations as well

4095414.77 - 4095398.34 =

Sorry about the bad news...

If you want a more detailed discussion on precision problems, both from
the data and from the computer, consult a numerical methods text.

Thats interesting. In Calc I get 16.430001676 and in Kcalc I get
16.43 (to 20 decimal places)

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adding a song to an Impress presentation

2011-10-05 Thread Don C. Myers

Hi Roxy,

I'm 95% Linux (Ubuntu), but part of the 5% left in windows is my video
editing program, which is Ulead. Te current version is called Corel
Video Studio I believe. Instead of capturing video to edit, I can just
put in pictures from my hard drive. The reason I still do this in
Windows is that I have about 300 songs I've purchased over the years
from smartsound.com so I can legally use it on the Internet, and it is
very easy to integrate the songs into the video. Here is a link for the
2011 Ag Progress Days Slide Show so you can see what it looks like doing
it this way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWJ-xoG0OhU
This will help you know whether this method would work for you. You
could use larger pictures than I did. I wanted this to work for people
on slow connections also.

Don

On 10/05/2011 05:49 PM, ycor wrote:

On 10/05/2011 04:43 PM, ycor wrote:

Is there any way to add a song to the 2nd or 3rd slide of a presentation and
make it play through the rest of the presentation? Or when it gets through
to start playing another song until it gets through? And so on.
Roxy

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Impress PowerPoint

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 11:41 +0200, Marcello Romani wrote: 

 Il 05/10/2011 09:16, Tom Davies ha scritto:
  Hi :)
  +1
  Insults are unnecessary and unhelpful.  Personal arguments and criticisms 
  would be better off-list too.  Just my opinion, clearly a lot of people 
  disagree, but i agree with Marcello.
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 Thanks.
 
 I admit my comments in the last few days have not added much useful 
 content for lurkers or the OPs. I just wanted to stress the fact that I 
 fear newcomers to LO / OOo might be scared away if they receive hard 
 responses in general help-oriented mailing list like this. Which, btw, 
 I think most users see as official, and from which they thus expect 
 official support. Whether or not this is a reasonable expectation is a 
 different matter... :-)
 

i do not know about official support but polite support definitely. I
think there are two problems, user who think they can bully a volunteer
and trolls acting as if they were a volunteer. Most of the regulars
recognize each others email addresses and respect the other regulars. I
have notice most of the regulars are actually very knowledgeable, much
better than most paid support - we are all users. The users asking a
question should be given a polite and accurate answer(s) to their
question. I hope I do this. Now trolls, I do not know how we can stop
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[libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function


Steve Edmonds wrote:
 
 Thats interesting. In Calc I get 16.430001676 and in Kcalc I get
 16.43 (to 20 decimal places)
 

That is expected. Because calculators have a limited number of functions
they use finite precision (instead of the base 2 calculations)

This means that for this kind of calculations you are better off using a
cheap calculator than your powerful PC with a spreadsheet :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] toolbars automatic appearance behaviour

2011-10-05 Thread MiguelAngel

El 05/10/11 23:45, e-letter escribió:
 On 05/10/2011, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 17:01:22 +0100
 e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Readers,

 When opening a document and a particular object becomes visible (e.g.
 a table) a floating toolbar appears (e.g. table toolbar).

 How to configure LO to stop this behaviour?
 next time the unwanted toolbar appears, just close it (with the x
 button on the top right corner). If you ever need the toolbar again,
 you can activate it again by using View  Toolbars.

 This is already known; this request is to configure LO so that
 unwanted toolbars _never_ appear unless they have been requested via
 the options in the menu bar. It is an example of unwanted design. The
 analogy is with the noscript extension for firefox; if the web page
 reader does _not_ want ecmascript code to run, (s)he can configure the
 web browser to prevent any ecmascript being activated _by default_ and
 code only runs when specifically wanted.

 This feature of automatically displaying a table toolbar when a
 table becomes visible is an annoyance and provides no benefit,
 especially frustrating as there is no function to control this
 behaviour; it was expected to find such a function in the menu bar
 option 'tools'|'auto correct options'.

Everyone has an opinion, is an Unwanted design for you.
If you want, you can make an extension, or even a code modification, to
change the behavour.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 11:30 +1300, Steve Edmonds wrote:

On 2011-10-06 10:52, planas wrote:
Hi

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 11:15 -0700, Pedro wrote:

Juan Carlos wrote:

I have done the same thing with google docs and it did it with no errors.

Actually, Google just cheats :)
It only allows 10 decimal cases.

Since the first error in Excel at 4.0 requires 14 decimal cases to be shown
it will never show up in Google Docs.

Do this calculation in Google Docs and you can test for yourself that it is
using Base 2 calculations as well

4095414.77 - 4095398.34 =

Sorry about the bad news...

If you want a more detailed discussion on precision problems, both from
the data and from the computer, consult a numerical methods text.

Thats interesting. In Calc I get 16.430001676 and in Kcalc I get
16.43 (to 20 decimal places)

That is not surprising, the exact rounding errors will vary in Kspread I
get 16.430002. What is interesting is I have only seen positive
errors reported (actual true), with enough random data it should be
50/50 positive to negative.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 15:54 -0700, Pedro wrote: 

 Steve Edmonds wrote:
  
  Thats interesting. In Calc I get 16.430001676 and in Kcalc I get
  16.43 (to 20 decimal places)
  
 
 That is expected. Because calculators have a limited number of functions
 they use finite precision (instead of the base 2 calculations)
 
 This means that for this kind of calculations you are better off using a
 cheap calculator than your powerful PC with a spreadsheet :)

The issue is the internal representation of floating point numbers. But
often the machine errors are much less than the noise in the data. In
terms of significant figures, the correct answer is 16.43 not
16.43000-00?. The extra digits beyond the 3 are dropped for significant
figures. One should actually display only the correct significant
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Adding a song to an Impress presentation

Don,
I guess if I had pictures of each slide that would probably be the way I go,
but they are
just simple slides I've done within Impress. They all use the same base slide
with the names
typed in one the slides.
I did just find some help within Impress that, I think, is what I'm looking to
do. Now I
just have to go back and re-time each slide, as some where along the way I
must have
inadvertently hit the Apply to All Slides button on a 4 second slide. So, we
live and
learn. I hope I don't do that again.
Roxy

Hi Roxy,

Don

On 10/05/2011 05:49 PM, ycor wrote:

Don,
This slide presentation will probably be about 100 slides long when I finish
it - though
it
will never really be finished. It is a listing, if you will, of the deceased
alumni from
the
small high school where I graduated. It currently starts with the class of
1919 and runs
to
the present. In most cases one slide contains each class, though there are
some classes
that
cover 2 pages. I have 3 or 4 songs I'd like to use while the presentation is
running - one

starting when the previous completes. And then starting back with the first
one again. I'm

not sure how that would transfer over into a video program.
Roxy

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

2011-10-05 Thread Steve Edmonds

On 2011-10-06 12:21, planas wrote:
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 11:30 +1300, Steve Edmonds wrote:

On 2011-10-06 10:52, planas wrote:

On Wed, 2011-10-05 at 11:15 -0700, Pedro wrote:

Juan Carlos wrote:

I have done the same thing with google docs and it did it with no errors.

Actually, Google just cheats :)
It only allows 10 decimal cases.

Since the first error in Excel at 4.0 requires 14 decimal cases to be shown
it will never show up in Google Docs.

Do this calculation in Google Docs and you can test for yourself that it is
using Base 2 calculations as well

4095414.77 - 4095398.34 =

Sorry about the bad news...

If you want a more detailed discussion on precision problems, both from
the data and from the computer, consult a numerical methods text.

Thats interesting. In Calc I get 16.430001676 and in Kcalc I get
16.43 (to 20 decimal places)

If you do it with the decimal part the other way around it is under.

4095414.34 - 4095398.77

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adding a song to an Impress presentation

2011-10-05 Thread Don C. Myers

Hi Roxy,

I've used Impress and Power Point very, very little. I'm sorry I
couldn't be of better help here. Good Luck!!!

Don

On 10/05/2011 07:31 PM, ycor wrote:

Hi Roxy,

Don

On 10/05/2011 05:49 PM, ycor wrote:

Don,
This slide presentation will probably be about 100 slides long when I finish it
- though

will never really be finished. It is a listing, if you will, of the deceased
alumni from

the

small high school where I graduated. It currently starts with the class of 1919
and runs

the present. In most cases one slide contains each class, though there are some
classes

that

cover 2 pages. I have 3 or 4 songs I'd like to use while the presentation is
running - one
starting when the previous completes. And then starting back with the first one
again. I'm
not sure how that would transfer over into a video program.
Roxy

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Hey, thanks anyway. I've used Power Point quite a bit in the past, and in
actuality Impress
has a ways to go to get up to par. Now if I can figure out how to make it
transition from
one song to another - which I would think should be easier than trying to
figure out how to
get the slides into a video. Although, I think I've seen somewhere where that
was done.
I also know that some PP presentations I get sent sometimes don't play the
audio/song that I
know is supposed to be there. So there is some obvious differences.
Roxy

Hi Roxy,

I've used Impress and Power Point very, very little. I'm sorry I
couldn't be of better help here. Good Luck!!!

Don

On 10/05/2011 07:31 PM, ycor wrote:

Don,
I guess if I had pictures of each slide that would probably be the way I go,
but they are
just simple slides I've done within Impress. They all use the same base slide
with the
names
typed in one the slides.
I did just find some help within Impress that, I think, is what I'm looking
to do. Now I
just have to go back and re-time each slide, as some where along the way I
must have
inadvertently hit the Apply to All Slides button on a 4 second slide. So,
we live and
learn. I hope I don't do that again.
Roxy

Hi Roxy,

Don

On 10/05/2011 05:49 PM, ycor wrote:

Don,
This slide presentation will probably be about 100 slides long when I finish
it - though
it
will never really be finished. It is a listing, if you will, of the deceased
alumni from
the
small high school where I graduated. It currently starts with the class of
1919 and runs
to
the present. In most cases one slide contains each class, though there are
some classes
that
cover 2 pages. I have 3 or 4 songs I'd like to use while the presentation is
running -
one
starting when the previous completes. And then starting back with the first
one again.
I'm
not sure how that would transfer over into a video program.
Roxy

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LOcalc shows an inaccurate output when use cells autofill function

Hi :)
Sorry Joe for wasting so much of your time.  The correct link was
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LOcalc-shows-an-inaccurate-output-when-use-cells-autofill-function-td3397081.html#a3397671
The link i gave led you to the screen you get after pressing the Reply
button so the More Options was already visible.
Apols and regards from
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Hi :)
I don't have an answer but have suffered from half of this problem on Xp. 
All the icons appeared in the All Programs menu off the Start button but
right-clicking on a document doesn't give LibreOffice apps in the Open with
... sub-menu.  I think the OP is suffering from 2 different problems.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adding a song to an Impress presentation

Hi :)
I am not sure documentation will help but it might be good to skim through it 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide
Sorry i can't really help!
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: ycor rocma...@ranchwireless.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adding a song to an Impress presentation
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 6 October, 2011, 1:20

Hey, thanks anyway. I've used Power Point quite a bit in the past, and in 
actuality Impress
has a ways to go to get up to par. Now if I can figure out how to make it 
transition from
one song to another - which I would think should be easier than trying to 
figure out how to
get the slides into a video. Although, I think I've seen somewhere where that 
was done.
I also know that some PP presentations I get sent sometimes don't play the 
audio/song that I
know is supposed to be there. So there is some obvious differences.
Roxy

 Hi Roxy,

I've used Impress and Power Point very, very little. I'm sorry I
couldn't be of better help here. Good Luck!!!

Don

On 10/05/2011 07:31 PM, ycor wrote:

 Don,
 I guess if I had pictures of each slide that would probably be the way I go, 
 but they are
 just simple slides I've done within Impress. They all use the same base slide 
 with the
names
 typed in one the slides.
 I did just find some help within Impress that, I think, is what I'm looking 
 to do. Now I
 just have to go back and re-time each slide, as some where along the way I 
 must have
 inadvertently hit the Apply to All Slides button on a 4 second slide. So, 
 we live and
 learn. I hope I don't do that again.
 Roxy


   Hi Roxy,

 I'm 95% Linux (Ubuntu), but part of the 5% left in windows is my video
 editing program, which is Ulead. Te current version is called Corel
 Video Studio I believe. Instead of capturing video to edit, I can just
 put in pictures from my hard drive. The reason I still do this in
 Windows is that I have about 300 songs I've purchased over the years
 from smartsound.com so I can legally use it on the Internet, and it is
 very easy to integrate the songs into the video. Here is a link for the
 2011 Ag Progress Days Slide Show so you can see what it looks like doing
 it this way:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWJ-xoG0OhU
 This will help you know whether this method would work for you. You
 could use larger pictures than I did. I wanted this to work for people
 on slow connections also.

 Don

 On 10/05/2011 05:49 PM, ycor wrote:

 Don,
 This slide presentation will probably be about 100 slides long when I finish 
 it - though
 it
 will never really be finished. It is a listing, if you will, of the deceased 
 alumni from
 the
 small high school where I graduated. It currently starts with the class of 
 1919 and runs
 to
 the present. In most cases one slide contains each class, though there are 
 some classes
 that
 cover 2 pages. I have 3 or 4 songs I'd like to use while the presentation is 
 running -
one
 starting when the previous completes. And then starting back with the first 
 one again.
I'm
 not sure how that would transfer over into a video program.
 Roxy


    On 10/05/2011 04:43 PM, ycor wrote:
 Is there any way to add a song to the 2nd or 3rd slide of a presentation and
 make it play through the rest of the presentation? Or when it gets through
 to start playing another song until it gets through? And so on.
 Roxy

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 Hi Roxy,

 I don't know the answer to your question with respect to Impress. But
 something I have done is to make slide shows in my video editing program
 by using pictures instead of actual video, and then adding narration and
 background music. It worked quite well.

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Hello, Tom. I downloaded the complete list of guides from there earlier today. 
I have at
least got the song so that it will play through rather than restarting with 
each slide. It
is much better than the included help with the program - by far. Now I just 
have to figure
out how to insert another couple of songs behind the first one.
Roxy


 Hi :)
I am not sure documentation will help but it might be good to skim through it
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide

Sorry i can't really help!
Regards from
Tom :)


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wrote:

From: ycor [hidden email]
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adding a song to an Impress presentation
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, 6 October, 2011, 1:20

Hey, thanks anyway. I've used Power Point quite a bit in the past, and in 
actuality Impress
has a ways to go to get up to par. Now if I can figure out how to make it 
transition from
one song to another - which I would think should be easier than trying to 
figure out how to
get the slides into a video. Although, I think I've seen somewhere where that 
was done.
I also know that some PP presentations I get sent sometimes don't play the 
audio/song that I

know is supposed to be there. So there is some obvious differences.
Roxy

 Hi Roxy,

I've used Impress and Power Point very, very little. I'm sorry I
couldn't be of better help here. Good Luck!!!

Don

On 10/05/2011 07:31 PM, ycor wrote:

 Don,
 I guess if I had pictures of each slide that would probably be the way I go, 
 but they are
 just simple slides I've done within Impress. They all use the same base slide 
 with the
names

 typed in one the slides.
 I did just find some help within Impress that, I think, is what I'm looking 
 to do. Now I
 just have to go back and re-time each slide, as some where along the way I 
 must have
 inadvertently hit the Apply to All Slides button on a 4 second slide. So, 
 we live and
 learn. I hope I don't do that again.
 Roxy


� � � Hi Roxy,

 I'm 95% Linux (Ubuntu), but part of the 5% left in windows is my video
 editing program, which is Ulead. Te current version is called Corel
 Video Studio I believe. Instead of capturing video to edit, I can just
 put in pictures from my hard drive. The reason I still do this in
 Windows is that I have about 300 songs I've purchased over the years
 from smartsound.com so I can legally use it on the Internet, and it is
 very easy to integrate the songs into the video. Here is a link for the
 2011 Ag Progress Days Slide Show so you can see what it looks like doing
 it this way:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWJ-xoG0OhU
 This will help you know whether this method would work for you. You
 could use larger pictures than I did. I wanted this to work for people
 on slow connections also.

 Don

 On 10/05/2011 05:49 PM, ycor wrote:

 Don,
 This slide presentation will probably be about 100 slides long when I finish 
 it - though
 it
 will never really be finished. It is a listing, if you will, of the deceased 
 alumni from
 the
 small high school where I graduated. It currently starts with the class of 
 1919 and runs
 to
 the present. In most cases one slide contains each class, though there are 
 some classes
 that
 cover 2 pages. I have 3 or 4 songs I'd like to use while the presentation is 
 running -
one
 starting when the previous completes. And then starting back with the first 
 one again.
I'm

 not sure how that would transfer over into a video program.
 Roxy


�  �  On 10/05/2011 04:43 PM, ycor wrote:
 Is there any way to add a song to the 2nd or 3rd slide of a presentation and
 make it play through the rest of the presentation? Or when it gets through
 to start playing another song until it gets through? And so on.
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2011-10-05 Thread Keith Bates

Probably the best idea would be to combine the songs into one mp3
file-- unless you want to change songs at a particular slide.There is 
plenty of software out there that will let you do that.KeithOn 06/10/11 14:35, 
ycor wrote:Hello, Tom. I downloaded the complete list of guides from there 
earlier today. I have at
least got the song so that it will play through rather than restarting with 
each slide. It
is much better than the included help with the program - by far. Now I just 
have to figure
out how to insert another couple of songs behind the first one.
Roxy




 Hi :)
I am not sure documentation will help but it might be good to skim through 
ithttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation#LibreOffice_Impress_GuideSorry
 i can't really help!
Regards from
Tom :)




--- On Thu, 6/10/11, ycor[hidden email]wrote:


From: ycor[hidden email]Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adding a song to an 
Impress presentation
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, 6 October, 2011, 1:20


Hey, thanks anyway. I've used Power Point quite a bit in the past, and in 
actuality Impress
has a ways to go to get up to par. Now if I can figure out how to make it 
transition from
one song to another - which I would think should be easier than trying to 
figure out how to
get the slides into a video. Although, I think I've seen somewhere where that 
was done.
I also know that some PP presentations I get sent sometimes don't play the 
audio/song that I


know is supposed to be there. So there is some obvious differences.
Roxy


 Hi Roxy,


I've used Impress and Power Point very, very little. I'm sorry I
couldn't be of better help here. Good Luck!!!


Don


On 10/05/2011 07:31 PM, ycor wrote:Don,
I guess if I had pictures of each slide that would probably be the way I go, 
but they are
just simple slides I've done within Impress. They all use the same base slide 
with thenamestyped in one the slides.
I did just find some help within Impress that, I think, is what I'm looking to 
do. Now I
just have to go back and re-time each slide, as some where along the way I 
must have
inadvertently hit the Apply to All Slides button on a 4 second slide. So, we 
live and
learn. I hope I don't do that again.
Roxy




� � � Hi Roxy,


I'm 95% Linux (Ubuntu), but part of the 5% left in windows is my video
editing program, which is Ulead. Te current version is called Corel
Video Studio I believe. Instead of capturing video to edit, I can just
put in pictures from my hard drive. The reason I still do this in
Windows is that I have about 300 songs I've purchased over the years
from smartsound.com so I can legally use it on the Internet, and it is
very easy to integrate the songs into the video. Here is a link for the
2011 Ag Progress Days Slide Show so you can see what it looks like doing
it this way:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWJ-xoG0OhUThis will help you know 
whether this method would work for you. You
could use larger pictures than I did. I wanted this to work for people
on slow connections also.


Don


On 10/05/2011 05:49 PM, ycor wrote:Don,
This slide presentation will probably be about 100 slides long when I finish it 
- thoughitwill never really be finished. It is a listing, if you will, of the 
deceased alumni fromthesmall high school where I graduated. It currently starts 
with the class of 1919 and runstothe present. In most cases one slide contains 
each class, though there are some classesthatcover 2 pages. I have 3 or 4 songs 
I'd like to use while the presentation is running -onestarting when the 
previous completes. And then starting back with the first one again.I'mnot sure 
how that would transfer over into a video program.
Roxy




�  �  On 10/05/2011 04:43 PM, ycor wrote:Is there any way to add a song to the 
2nd or 3rd slide of a presentation and
make it play through the rest of the presentation? Or when it gets through
to start playing another song until it gets through? And so on.
Roxy


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I don't know the answer to your question with respect to Impress. But
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background music. It worked quite well.


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