[libreoffice-users] Java aches are back with LO7
Have had a working and regularly upgraded LO6.x for quite a while now using Oracle Java 12 and now 14.0.1 (MacOS Catalina) Today I tried to move to LO7.0.0 and BOINNNGG I have received the dreaded message... This says that my installed java is DEFECTIVE and I should install a working version. Of course, my java installation is working JUST FINE and has been functional with OpenOffice and Zotero. So, there is obviously something that was tweaked in LO7 that does not like Oracle java 14.0.1. What might that be, and where might one find the issue documented? -- "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. " -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Writer insists on printing landscape.
It's a known bug - you can look it up. The hack of setting the page width to 8.49 or to 8.51 seems to work fine until the bug is permanently resolved. On 10/26/17 9:16 AM, Eric Beversluis wrote: > I typed up a letter. LO printed it landscape. I checked Format-Page and it’s > definitely set to print portrait. > > I restarted LO. Didn’t help. > > I copied the text to Text Wrangler. Printed fine from there. Copied it from > TW back to LO. Still printed landscape. > > Copied it to M$ Word. Printed fine from there. > > Any idea what’s happening? > > Eric Beversluis > Short fiction at www.ericbeversluis.com > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Portrait printing problems redux - printer tray sensor issue?
While I have not had this problem up until today, I understand that this problem has cropped up from time to time and no one has yet resolved the source. I have OSX 10.11.6 and just recently updated to LO 5.4.0.3 - print at issue is an HP Deskjet 8500 A910 Suddenly LO documents show up correctly in preview, but only appear in landscape in print dialog, and only print in landscape. All other applications appear to work fine. However, sometimes the document will appear correctly and will print correctly, but continued use of LO will then result in reversion to the landscape mode. There is nothing I can determine that causes the reversion to proper behavior. Deleting and reinstalling the printer does not seem to help. I tested changing the format to A4 and that seems to put things right, so I tested setting the dialog at letter but reducing the page width from 8.5 to 8.49, and that correct the problem as well... Is this likely some kind of page tray sensor issue? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] APA Heading 3 that does not use paragraph style
There was a prior enhancement request that I eventually discovered, https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48459, which proposes a different type of solution than the one I proposed (I duped them anyway) but it also included an instance specific way to accomplish the in-line header that is less involved than the macro. Unfortunately, as I note, it is instance specific, so one would have to create the indexing or change the indexing for each specific heading (as opposed to just applying a Character Format that is targeted by the ToC generator as I have argued. Suffice it to say that it is not a work around I want to teach to secondary students -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] APA Heading 3 that does not use paragraph style
> Not knowing anything about it it sounds like a real odd requirement\\ Let me try again :-) LO has a built in indexing feature. Part and parcel of this feature is a configurable Table of Contents (ToC) generator. For some reason, this generator will include a user configurable set of Paragraph Styled text as ToC entries, but will not allow you to include text that is Character styled. As a result, any heading that could be described as "run-in" or "in-line" can't not be included in the ToC. In the example below, the bold text should be a heading, but cannot be made a heading without also making the entire ensuing paragraph part of the heading :-( *This is Heading Three*. As one can see, this level of heading yada yada yada and blah blah blah as that is the way it is. The macro that was referenced earlier creates a mini invisible heading, and then character formats the actual text, fooling the ToC generator into adding the text to the ToC, while hiding the heading from the reader. Quite a kludge, but there should be a simpler and more robust way to manage this. Why? Because all APA (or similar style) formatted documents with a level 3 heading have this issue, and because it is likely that all the generator is doing is searching for the tags, noting the page and adding the tagged text to the ToC, there should be no reason this would not be the simplest fix. > > >> Op 5 mei 2016, om 21:14 heeft John Jason Jordan <joh...@comcast.net> het >> volgende geschreven: >> >> On Thu, 5 May 2016 06:48:54 -0800 >> Marc Grober <m...@interak.com> dijo: >> >>> The APA Publication Manual (Section 3.03, Pg 62) mandates a Heading 3 >>> style that that is bold and indented (1/2 an inch like a normal >>> paragraph), and then followed on the same line by the text. >> I believe there is a template for APA. Don't ask me where to find it, >> however. And I don't know if it will solve your problem. >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] APA Heading 3 that does not use paragraph style
ROFL... Yes, Robert, that addresses the problem and the developer deserves props for macro-izing it, lol Thanks. But it is not a satisfactory solution to what is a very mundane problem. I have gone ahead and created a feature request in bugzilla (https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99695) and ask that anyone interested CC themselves and add confirmation/comment as appropriate so we can get this assigned as I am thinking it should not be a major problem in resolving the gap. On 5/5/16 11:42 AM, Robert Funnell wrote: > Marc - > > Does this link help? > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71=709 > > - Robert > > On Thu, 5 May 2016, Marc Grober wrote: > >> I have worked through quite a few templates, and have found that address >> this problem :-( >> >> On 5/5/16 11:14 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote: >>> On Thu, 5 May 2016 06:48:54 -0800 >>> Marc Grober <m...@interak.com> dijo: >>> >>>> The APA Publication Manual (Section 3.03, Pg 62) mandates a Heading 3 >>>> style that that is bold and indented (1/2 an inch like a normal >>>> paragraph), and then followed on the same line by the text. >>> I believe there is a template for APA. Don't ask me where to find it, >>> however. And I don't know if it will solve your problem. >>> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] APA Heading 3 that does not use paragraph style
I have worked through quite a few templates, and have found that address this problem :-( On 5/5/16 11:14 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Thu, 5 May 2016 06:48:54 -0800 > Marc Grober <m...@interak.com> dijo: > >> The APA Publication Manual (Section 3.03, Pg 62) mandates a Heading 3 >> style that that is bold and indented (1/2 an inch like a normal >> paragraph), and then followed on the same line by the text. > I believe there is a template for APA. Don't ask me where to find it, > however. And I don't know if it will solve your problem. > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Digital Signatures
Does your certificate path point to your default profile? What versions of OS, LO, FF are you using? On 5/5/16 4:52 AM, Jack Wallen wrote: > Hello everyone! > > So I've been trying to work out the whole digital signature mess on > LibreOffice. I created a self-signed digital signature using gpg and > imported it into both Firefox and Thunderbird. No matter what I do, > LibreOffice cannot see the certificate. Is there something I'm missing > here? Will LibreOffice not work with self-signed CAs? I've googled > this and have yet to come up with a solution. > > Thank you for any help you can offer. > > Jack > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] APA Heading 3 that does not use paragraph style
The APA Publication Manual (Section 3.03, Pg 62) mandates a Heading 3 style that that is bold and indented (1/2 an inch like a normal paragraph), and then followed on the same line by the text. That means one cannot use a paragraph style, as the paragraph needs to actually be normal body text (Default in most cases). If one uses a generated ToC, then the text that is style with the Heading styles is used in the ToC, so you don;t want a paragraph that looks like normal but for which you bold the first bit. Seems to me there was a way to style text as a heading level (specifically for ToC purposes), without making it a paragraph style, but I can't recall how that was done. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice Online
At least on-line at open365.io it seems completely unusable. Though you can access the KDE, the application simply never comes up. And documentation requires that you open the application, rofl... On 4/24/16 3:19 PM, Pedro wrote: > Hi all > > Sharing exciting news > > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-l10n-LibreOffice-on-the-cloud-Open365-tp4181681.html > > It links to the brand new > > https://open365.io/ > > I just opened an account and it behaves exactly like the offline version. > You can even change the icon theme or add extensions like dictionaries (and > they work!) > > The only limitation is that the interface is in US English only. > > Have fun! > > (I'm not affiliated to the company providing the service, in fact I couldn't > find any information about it so I wouldn't recommend uploading any > sensitive information...) > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Online-tp4181840.html > Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 5.1 Presentation can't find system browser on OSX 10.11
Aha - you nailed it on the head. The person who built the document used an internal file:// refernce, nd the inaccurate message popped up. When I added a second link with the correct web URL it worked fine (though strangely enough I could find no menu choice to allow editing the URL that was previously there!) On 3/10/16 12:08 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote: > On 03/10/2016 01:28 AM, Marc Grober wrote: >> Clicking on a live link in a LO 5.1 Presentation results in the >> following error message: >> >> "LibreOffice could not find a web browser on your system. Please check >> your Desktop Preferences or install a web browser (for example, Firefox) >> in the default location requested during the browser installation." >> >> In fact Firefox is set as default and doing a command click on a link >> from Writer works fine. > > From looking at the code (shell/source/unix/exec/shellexec.cxx, > sfx2/source/appl/openuriexternally.cxx) that error message can > misleadingly be presented also when a browser /is/ found, but > something else goes wrong when trying to open the hyperlink with the > browser. > > Marc, what is the hyerlink's exact URL? (In Impress, select the > hyperlink---which is easier to do with the keyboard than with the > mouse---, select "Insert > Hyperlink," and from the dialog that pops > open copy the content of the "Target" field. Alternatively, you can > mail me the presentation file, and I'll have a look.) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LO 5.1 Presentation can't find system browser on OSX 10.11
Clicking on a live link in a LO 5.1 Presentation results in the following error message: "LibreOffice could not find a web browser on your system. Please check your Desktop Preferences or install a web browser (for example, Firefox) in the default location requested during the browser installation." In fact Firefox is set as default and doing a command click on a link from Writer works fine. I found that this appears to be identified as a problem with OpenOffice, but as yet can find no confirmation as to LibreOffice usage, or whether this might be a bug. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] No access to character accent menu in LO 5.0.0.5 under OSX 10.11
A great OSX feature is the character accent menu available in OSX (you can set the OS so that holding down a key pops up a menu with special characters, instead of just endlessly repeating the key). With the roll out of ElCap (OSX 10.11.3), Apple made repeating letters the default. While one can reset the default to the pop-up accent menu, this reset does NOT work in LO (one has to manual enter the Special Character menu). Is this rejection of the OS setting a 'feature' of LO (5.0.0.5) or a bug, and in either case is there a way to implement the OS setting? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Access to character accent menu in Writer on El Cap
A great OSX feature is the character accent menu available in OSX (you can set the OS so that holding down a key pops up a menu with special characters, instead of just endlessly repeating the key). With the roll out of ElCap (OSX 10.11.3), Apple made repeating letters the default. While one can reset the default to the pop-up accent menu, this reset does NOT work in LO (one has to manual enter the Special Character menu). Is this rejection of the OS setting a 'feature' of LO (5.0.0.5) or a bug, and in either case is there a way to implement the OS setting? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Printing Labels from Spreadsheet No longer working
I am using LO 4.3.1.2 on Yosemite I have a spread sheet that I want to create labels from. This worked well in prior versions but have not done it with this version yet. I created an odb from the spreadsheet Then a created labels and filled the master label with fields from the selected odb I created a new document which was the one page template with the fields on it. I did View Data SOurce and confirmed that the data source is there and readable. Then, no matter what I do, I can't get any data through the form and only get the names of the form fields printed. If I try the old mail merge wizard, and can't get beyond the select address list even though the spreadsheet is shown as selected. What am I doing wrong with this new version? What am I missing? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] [resolved] Re: Printing Labels from Spreadsheet No longer working
Sorry... bug fixed in next version On 1/23/15 8:18 AM, Marc Grober wrote: I am using LO 4.3.1.2 on Yosemite I have a spread sheet that I want to create labels from. This worked well in prior versions but have not done it with this version yet. I created an odb from the spreadsheet Then a created labels and filled the master label with fields from the selected odb I created a new document which was the one page template with the fields on it. I did View Data SOurce and confirmed that the data source is there and readable. Then, no matter what I do, I can't get any data through the form and only get the names of the form fields printed. If I try the old mail merge wizard, and can't get beyond the select address list even though the spreadsheet is shown as selected. What am I doing wrong with this new version? What am I missing? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LO 4 on OSX 10.10
As this was just recently a topic of heated discussion, I thought I would mention that with the upgrade to 10.10 (Yosemite) LO (4.3.1.2) comes up without a problem, BUT when I open a Text document it of course crashes and asks for Java 6 (Java 7_71 is installed and has been working fine for months under OSX 10.9) Which at this point beggars the imagination, lol. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Java LO and OSX
Oh, forgot to mention: Yosemite compatible Apple Java which you should install http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1572 Once this is installed the previously installed version of Oracle Java and Apple Java will appear (this may be strange to some because Apple Java was not appearing for many under Mavericks!) and you will then be able to nevertheless select Java 7 (or 8 if you want to install -- http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Java LO and OSX
if one then removes jdk 7 (e. g. sudo rm -rf jdk1.7.0_nn.jdk) and installs Java 8 JDK, Java 6 disappears from the LO selection list... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Java LO and OSX
Sorry I changed the subject line there... I have never been able to get the list to copy me with my posts and I just forgot that I had the post in Sent mail. The point of the posts was to note that in fact it is easy enough to get LO working on Yosemite but it requires a bit of messing about, some of which is counter-intuitive. To recap, LO was tweaked months ago so that java was not sourced when it comes up (unless you make it do that, lol) which avoids the maddening issue of seemingly being unable to change your java prefs. If you have the current LO version, you will be able to open LO, but LO will crash when you try to open any file without Apple Java 6 Yes, LO still requires the initial presence of Apple Java 6, and, Apple OS upgrade blows the previous Apple Java configuration away Once Apple Java 6 is re-installed, you can go into Preferences-Advanced and select Oracle Java (if you previously installed it, it will still be there as the upgrade does not remove it) If you install a more recent Oracle JDK after you install the Apple Java, the Apple Java will no longer appear in Preferences, and you can select the Oracle Java you want LO to use. Why? beats me. Once that is all done you can open/create LO docs that invoke java without the crashing. Apple Java resides in its own location and will simply from that point on be ignored. Remember that you can install just an Oracle JRE, or you can install an Oracle JDK, which comes with the JRE. Your JDK is not updated like your JRE may be. Check your JDK from time to time. On 11/6/14 9:36 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Hmmm, don't the installers for java try to uninstall previous versions, if it can find them (which it often fails to do)? Interesting that 8 manages to find and block 6, does it manage to uninstall it? Regards from Tom :) On 6 November 2014 17:04, Marc Grober m...@interak.com mailto:m...@interak.com wrote: if one then removes jdk 7 (e. g. sudo rm -rf jdk1.7.0_nn.jdk) and installs Java 8 JDK, Java 6 disappears from the LO selection list... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Recommended version of Java?
As long as this discussion has taken a snarky turn, let's note that fully supported does not mean it will work in situ, lol. In fact, my experience has been that almost all the java issues I have experienced on OSX would not have resulted in any indication that LO was not fully supported with that version of java The model employed by WordPress with respect to plugins offers an interesting perspective, in that it encourages users to indicate whether they have encountered issues. The issues may rest on complex interactions (such as the abort experienced when LO immediately sources a problematic source for Java), or upon circumstances that avoided QA (for whatever reasons) and perhaps are in some respects more informative from the stand point of the average user than a certification (of dubious value anyway.) And, of course, the complexities of addressing multiple OS through different methods could require an extensive matrix (as the vagaries of the impact of the bitness, location, and viability of java on OSX have demonstrated.) Lastly, I want to note that just because one person poses a question, does not mean a list response is intended for that person alone. Nor should I assume that those responding have a clear picture of what I am asking for and why I am asking for it, all of which can help formulate answers. Yes, it is often frustrating when you ask about issue a and you get a discursive discussion of issue b, but that is, at least to date, the nature of humanity - waxing buff may pump your hormones, but it won't help the person looking for a discussion of issue b On 10/30/14 3:18 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Hello, Is there a page somewhere that specifies what version(s) of Java are supported for what versions of Libreoffice? Specifically, is Java8 fully supported for version 4.1.x? 4.2.x? 4.3.x? Thanks -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
Sorry Dan, but I really don't understand where you are going with this. I have two streams of text. I would like to have one stream on one side, and the other stream on the other side of facing pages. That way I can break the flow of either without having to alternate text (which how it is done now) On 10/15/14 4:58 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 10/15/2014 08:26 AM, Ginterak wrote: Dan, If I place 1000 words in the left page, the words are still going to overflow onto the right page - I am not sure what your idea is actually accomplishing. In my reply, I keyed on having the original on the left page and the translation on the right page. By having these appear side by side, one can see both at the same time and compare them if desired. What seems to be obvious to me is that the number of words required for a given thought in different languages can be different. So what would be a full page for one language may be less than or more than a page. So there is no guarantee that the the same thoughts will be contained in side by side pages. So, what purpose does having original and translation being side by side? It is quite possible that in a rather long article, some of the side by side pages may not have any thoughts in common. My thoughts came from how a Bible program handles this situation. For example, I have German and English translations of the Bible side by side. There the same verses are shown for them. Sometimes there are extra spaces on the German side, and sometimes there are extra on the English side. I also have a German-English New Testament from the 1800's. It also has the same print layout. A very important question is: What is the purpose of having the original and the translation side by side? This should determine the layout. Dan On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:22 AM, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/14/2014 12:15 PM, Marc Grober wrote: Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by side pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where you have the original on one page and the translation on the facing page. This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way to pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is passed only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we stuck with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page breaks? I think that page styles will do it. Open an untitled document in Writer. Use the F4 key to open the Styles and Formating Window. Click the Page Styles icon at the top of this window. Double click First Page from the lists of page styles to apply this style to the page. Then right click First Page and select Modify from the context menu. Change the Next Style property to Left Page. Click OK. This should do it. Enter the original text on the left pages and the translations on the right pages. The reason this works is because of styles. They insure that each left page is followed by a right page which is followed by a left page... Writer is designed to begin with the first page on the right, so you need the First Page to fulfill this need. From then on the left and right pages will follow correctly. (No page breaks are needed.) In the bottom right corner of the Writer window are three icons of pages. The one of the right is the one you should click if it is not highlighted. This places two pages in the window beginning with a right page first followed by a left right page combination. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
Intriguing idea, but it would still require the use of anchored linked frames, and if I am going to use anchored linked frames, I don;t need Calc. I still am thinking that there should be some way to do this from a master document, so that subdocuments can interleave by way of how the subdocument is styled. The other option seems to be to treat the two facing pages as one two column page, but that creates so much trouble when it comes to dealing with everything else it becomes a case of the tail wagging the dog. On 10/15/14 7:23 AM, Joe Conner wrote: Have you considered using Calc for this, you can adjust the formatting to have text roll into a new line automatically. Then you can copy/paste into a word document if you find it necessary. Blessings, Joe Conner: Poulsbo, WA USA -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
Is there is technical solution to running parallel text in side by side pages (the best example would be a text with a translation where you have the original on one page and the translation on the facing page. This is done easily enough in columns, but there must be some way to pass two threads of raw text to a section in which one thread is passed only to odd pages and the other only to even pages, or are we stuck with alternating the text manually and inserting a gazillion page breaks? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] parallel text in side by side pages
a quick top note ... yes, being able to use a Master Doc such that two files can be displayed at the same time on facing pages might well solve my problem, but frankly I can't figure out how to manage that I don't think columns works for this, as text in the first column flows to the next column on the same page, not to the same column on another page. You'd use a two-column table to display parallel material on single pages, I think. (I do.) They can -- you can run columns in parallel and then just pour the two different sets of text into two different columns and then just break the flow as necessary. One possible technique is to use linked frames. You could put a page-sized frame into each page (anchored to the page) and then link appropriate frames together. In fact, you could get away with doing this for just one set of pages, perhaps putting frames into all the right pages and linking them all together in a chain. Your left and right page text would then flow as you need. You might find this as tedious as having all those manual page breaks, but it has the advantage that as you edit the text, the two streams will flow naturally between their respective pages. That is an intriguing idea -- unfortunately the docs suggest that the linked frames have to all be manually created and anchored, so yes, this is almost as much trouble as alternating the text, though it does offer the benefits... I guess I might want to do the same thing on the facing page though it would not be necessary just to maintain style consistency between the treatments. I there a way to automate an anchorage frame in a new page by a page style? That way I could create a new subdoc with that style, add pages, link frame and pour in the text files into their respect frames Here's another thought. How about creating two separate documents and printing them both single-sided as separate print runs on the same stack of paper? You could display both documents together on the screen whilst you were editing them. Not happening There may be neater solutions. I'm thinking vaguely of setting a page size to represent a double-page spread, using a two-column table, and somehow getting it to print across two pages - so one column appears on each page. But I'm not sure how ... That is something I think could be done with a master document (but I am not sure how) which is really what I was looking for when I posted the question in the first place ;-) I was thinking that two sub docs could be place on side by side pages in the master doc, with one sub doc only appearing on odd pages, and the other appearing on even pages... BUT the documentation on Master Docs is not all that helpful, there is only one template on the LO site which is not all that explanatory, and what is present makes it look like a project of such complexity that one would not want to bother, lol Anyone have enough expertise with Master Documents to address this? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Selected fonts are no longer displaying in LO 4.2.4.2 on OSX 10.9.4
I just discovered that while many of my fonts still appear in the font menu, fonts such as Estrangello Edessa are no longer being displayed on the screen in the document (English characters appear instead in a variety of fonts.) Can anyone point me in the direction of what may be happening. I saw some bugs related to fonts not appearing in the select dropdown, but in this case the drop shows the font properly, but when characters are entered they are entered they appear in a Latin font though - not sure if this is something visited on me by an OS upgrade or an LO upgrade -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] libreoffice is identifying the wrong download for OSX
I don't know if this is happening for other platforms, but I have noticed that at least with 4.2.4 the website will prompt you to download the the 64 bit, but when prompted to update the link from LO to the download page results in you getting prompted to download the 32 bit version, even though you have a 64 bit version loaded and are running a 64 bit OS. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Dear libreoffice
Use Zotero On 5/7/14, 1:26 PM, Colin James Lichtwark wrote: Hello, my name is Colin Lichtwark. I am a postgraduate student at Swinburne University in Melbourne Australia. I am trying to use ubuntu as much as possible but the issue I have is with libre office note having an effective citation manager interface especially with mendeley. I feel this is a huge impedance to the popular adoption of ubuntu.Is the work being done in this area with your software development?. Yours Sincerely, Colin Lichtwark -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] What's the best way to convert a .pdf form to .odt
export to docx format from Acrobat Pro and then convert from docx to odt On 3/31/14, 10:29 AM, paulwhitehurst wrote: I have a .pdf form I would like to use as a mail merge form. I see there's no way to do merge in Draw.I opened the .pdf in Draw and cut and pasted from the .pdf to a new .odt document. This only put images in the new document that I couldn't edit. I opened the .pdf in Reader and did the same. It copied all the text, but the formatting was poor. Is there a better way to do this so I don't have to retype the whole thing? Thanks, Paul Whitehurst whan...@aol.com -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/What-s-the-best-way-to-convert-a-pdf-form-to-odt-tp4103644.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] [OT] could we put an end to the grounds for hugging thread?
Touching Basis meaning grounds for hugging, or the foundation for something emotionally gripping ? In any event, this being the user support list ( User support list for LibreOffice users needing help with a problem) is there some really important reason to discuss team tagging or flight reservations here? On 1/28/14, 7:18 PM, Robinson Tryon wrote: [cc'ing US-marketing list] On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All! This is just touching basis with the North America team as it's been awhile since we've all had time to talk. The chat has been a little quiet lately, I'm sure everyone is busy but wanted to say hello and to wish everyone a belated happy new year. Hope all is well with everyone and that perhaps we'll see you around on FDO, IRC or the mailing list. Thanks for the ping, Joel! Given the size of the US, Canada, and Mexico, it's a little difficult for us all to meet-up in one place. I hope that over the next few months some of us will have the opportunity to meet up with other contributors for drinks or a bite to eat and (perhaps) do a little planning for where we'd like to see our NA community in the coming years :-) I'll be in Los Angeles for SCALE 12x (Feb 18th - 26), in Boston for LibrePlanet (March 21-23), and Portland (OR) for OSCON in July, and would love to meet up with other contributors. Just email me and let me know when/where you'll be available, and I'll do my best to show up! Cheers, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: North America Touching Basis
productively help. whew, and here I thought I might have to volunteer On 1/29/14, 6:49 PM, Joel Madero wrote: I got in touch with Ruth Ann privately and am helping her get involved with QA and will do so with anyone else who wants to productively help. Best, Joel On 01/29/2014 07:34 PM, anne-ology wrote: Ruth Ann - you're definitely not alone, but I guess they're not interested in hearing from us in the mainland ;-) From: Ruth Ann came...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: North America Touching Basis To: users@global.libreoffice.org Hi Joel, Well, I am in the Mid-west, so it would be kind of far to travel just to say Hello, but I would be happy to help if there is something you think I can do. Ruth Ann, in Ohio, USA On 1/29/2014 8:55 PM, Joel Madero wrote: None right now - honestly we're not even close to that point and that's why this is going so far off topic that it's become quite frankly a waste of my time. I have sent out emails over the last 2 years trying to encourage participation from North American users - we have some, not nearly enough and yet now the conversation has turned into something quite different. Once we see a solid force of people who are contributing consistently then we can discuss locations. That being said - the idea was to just say hi to my North American colleagues and see if anyone had some spare cycles to help QA out with the endless tasks we have. So, if someone is interested in helping ping me privately and I'll help you get started. No development skills are needed. Best, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1.3.2
There have been quite a few posts about mirrors failing and I had this problem last night as well however a torrent download appeared to work just fine. On 12/3/13, 4:07 AM, Kunwar Shivpal Singh wrote: Hi HATS OFF to the complete LO team for the splendid LO pack. Enjoy using it. GREAT WORK. Today got the msg update available. I downloaded 4.1.3.2 from the LO site, but while install it displays an error msg ERROR 1335. The cabinet file 'libreoffice1.cab' required for this installation is corrupt cannot be used.This could indicate a network error, an error reading from the cd-rom, or a problem with this package. shows 3 options Abort Retry Ignore tried Retry but the error msg again comes up. WHAT should I do? Pls HELP. Regards Kunwar --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] embedding video
As the original post indicates, inserting mov oe mp4 files is not the issue. On 11/22/13, 7:28 AM, John Meyer wrote: Have you tried converting the flv to mov or mp4? On 11/22/2013 9:21 AM, Marc Grober wrote: On LO 4.1.2.3 on OSX 10.9 I am exploring the various possibilities of embedding video. It would appear the ability to embed via URL to a remote source is not available, and I was able to embed an .mov and mp4 file but not an .flv file (format not supported.) Download of a google doc presentation with embedded video resulted in the video showing up only as a placeholder image. When the video was embedded, there were no controls for the video apparently available. The Help files indicate that one is supposed to click the icon for the object in the file, but of course there is no such thing in an impress slide. Is there a comprehensive and authoritative source for documentation of this behavior? Is there any way to insert a plugin object to stream a remote video? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] embedding video
On LO 4.1.2.3 on OSX 10.9 I am exploring the various possibilities of embedding video. It would appear the ability to embed via URL to a remote source is not available, and I was able to embed an .mov and mp4 file but not an .flv file (format not supported.) Download of a google doc presentation with embedded video resulted in the video showing up only as a placeholder image. When the video was embedded, there were no controls for the video apparently available. The Help files indicate that one is supposed to click the icon for the object in the file, but of course there is no such thing in an impress slide. Is there a comprehensive and authoritative source for documentation of this behavior? Is there any way to insert a plugin object to stream a remote video? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Subject: DRM books
+1 there are several threads about this in the archive as well On 11/10/13, 5:20 AM, zuke wrote: On 11/09/2013 10:49 PM, Daniel wrote: Is there an extension in LO in order to read DRM ebooks? Thanks Daniel LibreOffice really isn't the tool for this. Although you can convert to epub with some plugins, they really aren't very comprehensive and not worth the time, tbh. If you're looking to backup your DRM'd books, then I suggest Calibre with the DeDRM plugin. Calibre is an ebook reader and library manager that will convert books to a variety of formats. It'll also allow you to use LO and Word files as part of your library collection or convert them to e-book format. look here: http://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/calibre-plugins-the-simplest-option-for-removing-most-ebook-drm/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.1.3.2
I guess I should first ask if you open a doc that has text formatted as Calibri Light, what font is it being shown as under 4.1.2.3, what is the provenance of the Calibri Light, have you confirmed that the font is available for all uses and all users, and whether it is not only activated but enabled (two different things). Then I might suggest logging out of your account on the subject machine, logging in with a new account, creating a new document, checking the default font, and then typing some text and try to format it as calibri Light. This should resolve all questions as to whether the issue has something to do with your pre-existing preferences, non-availability as a system, font, etc. If no joy, download Scrivener, install and test and see if Calibri Light shows up and is usable. If not, then there is an issue with your font, if it does then you may be looking at a bug On 11/4/13, 11:38 AM, Cliff Scott wrote: ** Reply to message from Cliff Scott c...@intergate.com on Sat, 2 Nov 2013 15:29:02 -0500 Reminder: This is on a Mac with OSx Lion (10.7.5). Sorry for replying to my own message, but I finally rebooted and no help. I removed the whole family of fonts and reinstalled them and still LO 4.1..3.2 will not recognize Calibri Light. This is mind boggling to me since, as far as I can see, it sees all the other installed fonts. This may sound strange, but without this font I cannot use this version. This is a key font in a newsletter I publish. Please, if anyone has any ideas what can be done to make this work speak up. I would very much like to upgrade to the 4.1.3.2 version, but can't with this issue. Thanks for any ideas or suggestions. Cliff Hi Y'all, I have been using LO 4.0.5 for some time and just installed 4.1.3.2. Opened a document that I had been doing in 4.0.5 and found that 4.1.3.2 doesn't see one of my fonts, Calibri Light. It doesn't appear in the list of fonts at all. Only the base Calibri appears. In 4.0.5 both the base and the Light appear as separate fonts in the font dropdown list. I'm running OSx 10.7.5 on a MacBook Pro. Checked via the Font Book app and Calibri Light appears normally. Validated the font and no problems were found. Interestingly Calibri Light was the last font I have installed. Even reinstalled it. I would normally reboot to make sure something wasn't just funny that would be corrected by rebooting, but can't do that right now. Ideas anyone? Thanks. Cliff -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Wordstar
And I wish I was still able to use wordstar ;-) On 11/4/13, 3:58 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: Urmas wrote: That's bullshit. Ctrl+J is a shortcut for Justify and... a paragraph mark in text controls. Actually, WordStar had different Ctrl+key functions than Word. Yes, today, Ctrl+J is a shortcut for Justify, but back in the WordStar days, Ctrl+J did something different, as did most Ctrl+key combinations. Ctrl+A, for example, moved the cursor one word to the left; Ctrl+F, one word to the right. Ctrl+K opened up several file commands, such as Ctrl+K, P for Print. Today, these seem archaic, but in the day, it was lightning quick for a good typist. To make matters even better, the Ctrl key was positioned next to the “a” key, where the Caps Lock key is nowadays. The WordStar keystrokes were copied by many other programs, such as my beloved PC-Write, and VDE, and even smaller, lighter editor. We DOS users were slow to embrace Windows, one of the biggest reasons being the dreaded mouse. Touch typists hate taking their fingers off the keyboard to grab the mouse. The DOS camp was so dedicated that I even recall an article that argued that DOS users made better writers than Windows users. The theory was that, while Windows users were busy trying to pick the right font and page margins, DOS users were focusing on the content of their writing. Now, today, I find myself spending more time configuring and modifying styles than I do actually writing. And, remember the blazing speed of our old 286 PCs with 20 meg. hard drives? Despite today’s dual-core, multi-gigabyte monster computer, I have yet to find a word processor that loads, processes, and saves files as fast as PC-Write on a 1980s DOS computer. *Sigh* Virgil -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)
Mavericks Apple Java WAS installed on my machine before LO was invoked, so it was not simply a matter of Java not being on the machine at the time of the invocation if Apple supplies as before 32 and 64 bit Java. How did anyone at LO argue that LO would work under Mavericks if using a JVM crashes LO? Under what circumstances will LO NOT crash if Use JVM is selected prior to upgrade? And if the devs knew that Mavericks would cause LO to crash over a week ago, why wasn't that published clearly? In my case Java was repeatedly installed after the LO problem, with no impact on LO LO blew up even if one started the product by opening a calc file; one did not have to open write and enter any keystrokes -- by blew up I mean that the app simply disappears and generates no crash or error report. It does so starting from command line or gui -- in any event my case indicates that the problem IS NOT limited to entering text It will still crash any time you access Zotero, though I now have it stable enough that I can otherwise use it so, at present, Zotero plugin will not work with LO because Zotero, no matter the java supplied to the OS, will not recognize it. I started a new thread because the existing one seemed to be slipping sideways :-) On 11/1/13, 1:24 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote: On 10/25/2013 08:59 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote: On 10/24/2013 05:18 PM, sberg wrote: I assume you have installed some LibreOffice extension for spell/grammar checking or similar that uses Java. That might explain it if you experience crashes now when typing in Writer after upgrading to Mavericks (which appears to replace any pre-existing Java installation with a download it now stub). Can you provide a list of LibreOffice extensions you have installed (Tools - Extension Manager...)? Meanwhile found out that it is the wiki-publisher extension (which comes bundled with LibreOffice by default) that requires a Java VM to be instantiated in the LibreOffice process as soon as you type the first letter in Writer. (See http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-October/056991.html Why typing in Writer instantiates the JVM on Mac OS X for details.) So, one quick fix for people who are stuck with Writer keeping crashing would probably be to move away the wiki-publisher extension that is bundled in the LibreOffice installation. To do that in Finder, first make sure LibreOffice is not running, then navigate to the LibreOffice (aka LibreOffice.app) application, from the right-click menu select Show Package Contents, there navigate from Contents to share to extensions and move the wiki-publisher folder to the trash (or move it to some other place outside the extensions folder). Then create a new folder (with more or less arbitrary name, you can use Dummy) within the extensions folder. When you start LibreOffice again, the problem should be gone (it might show a LibreOffice quit unexpectedly dialog once directly while starting, which is an unrelated problem and a different story, in which case just press the Reopen button). Note that LO 4.1.3 for Mac OS X from http://www.libreoffice.org/download comes without a bundled Wiki Publisher extension. Stephan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OSX Mavericks upgrade prevents LO from opening because of lack of java
The upgrade does indeed present an opportunity to install apple java before invoking any of the apps. Having had prior experiencne with the Apple Java fiasco and took the OS up on its offer, lol. Unfortunately it looks like that install doesn't necessarily take (while I am sure the software is installed, my guess is that there are environmental variables that are not being fully set until some conjunction of the planets or the like I did find a clue in that There are other apps it would appear that are suffering the same problems (not acknowledging the presence of the Apple JRE.) I have rebooted and reinstalled the Apple Java a number of times, and have finally been able to get it to take (though installation was exactly the same as prior instances and rebooting was not required.) I can tell you that I had to invoke a different app that demanded apple java that would not crash, and having installed Apple java (a 5th time) in response to that apps prompt, it took. Then, on pulling up LO and looking at the JVM dialog, one could see the Apple JRE in the selector box (first time a java version appeared there since the upgrade.) This may also suggest that this problem may be a result of Apple changing locations of the JRE (that is apparently what broke Macports) but I am just guessing there. Apple did rip out all Java (1.6 AND Oracle 1.7) on upgrade, and I am wondering about LO's response where it is required to use a JVM, but can't find it -- in other words, why didn't LO (or other apps for that matter) see the Apple 1.6 JRE when initially installed when prompted by the OS, even after reboot. This smacks very much of the same kind of Java issues I saw on MountainLion. Eventually one could get Java 1.7 running along side Java 1.6, the latter being used for general OS invocation while the former could be used via CLI and for browsers... At present I now have LO running as it has found Apple Java 1.6 LO needs to make the jump so that it can use 1.7 or make it clear that LO will be java-free by version 4.x or some such but I think the latter would be potentially unfortunate On 11/1/13, 1:07 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote: On 10/31/2013 05:02 PM, Marc Grober wrote: It looks like the thread on addressing operating LO 4 under OSX Mavericks may have taken a small detour. Yes, Java is a bit of a disaster on OSX, and yes once you upgrade Apple blows away your java install so you have to start all over (but will prompt you to install their java.) Assuming you accept their invitation on reboot (the install will invite you to install an Apple Java jre) and then try to run LO (4.1.2.3) you Does the OS X upgrade itself indeed mention the possibility to download an Apple JRE? I never noticed that. will likely get an error message that allows you to either install a java (the install does not say what it is installing, nor from where) or quits. What I know is the following: After upgrade or fresh install of OS X (at least since 10.7, IIRC), a java executable is installed that is merely a stub, bringing up a dialog inviting you to download and install the real Apple JRE 6. When LO is run on such a stub-only machine, as soon as it tries to detect a JRE (which might be rather sooner than expected, see the LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks) thread on this mailing list), it will run the stub java executable and thus trigger the dialog. Now, for some it reportedly works fine to download and install the Apple JRE via the dialog and continue working with LO (or even not download and install it, and keep living with LO nagging you about a missing JRE). But for some LO reportedly keeps crashing from that dialog onwards, no matter how they interact with that dialog. But I only know about that from here-say, and have never seen the problem myself, and never seen a backtrace of the crashing LO that could give us a clue what's going on there. (I wasted my opportunity to find out for myself when soon after upgrading to OS X 10.9 I got confronted with the java stub dialog outside the LO context and downloaded/installed it before I came around to start LO.) But since, as described in the LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks) thread on this mailing list, one unexpected side-effect of bundling the Wiki Publisher extension with LO on Mac OS X is that LO tries to detect a JRE as soon as you type a key in Writer, we decided to deliver LO 4.1.3 for Mac OS X (from http://www.libreoffice.org/download) without a bundled Wiki Publisher extension. That should help to somewhat mitigate the problem and have less people be annoyed by the problem. Stephan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent
[libreoffice-users] OSX Mavericks upgrade prevents LO from opening because of lack of java
It looks like the thread on addressing operating LO 4 under OSX Mavericks may have taken a small detour. Yes, Java is a bit of a disaster on OSX, and yes once you upgrade Apple blows away your java install so you have to start all over (but will prompt you to install their java.) Assuming you accept their invitation on reboot (the install will invite you to install an Apple Java jre) and then try to run LO (4.1.2.3) you will likely get an error message that allows you to either install a java (the install does not say what it is installing, nor from where) or quits. We therefore need specific documentation that advises the user as to what to do in such circumstances (after throwing the tantrums that are invariably associated with such transitions.) Any specifics available yet? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] OSX Maverick, Java, LO 4.1.2.3
I said to myself, go ahead and let LO download something what could get worse? Well, now, instead of popping and telling me (inaccurately) that I didn't have java, it just crashes. So, is there a procedure to resolve this mess? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.1.2 and Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks)
I have rebooted and the crash on opening (the result of letting LO try to install java from software update on 10.9) of LO 4.1.2.3 has stopped. LO is now back to prompting for java (there is no access to LO itself) Tried saying yes to LO's java install via Software Update again -- this time it results in no change in behavior Am I correct here in concluding that neither Apple nor Oracle offer a 32 bit java for Mavericks and that as a result users who have updated to Mavericks will simply be barred from using LO henceforth until some unspecified time in the future? BRAVO! Anyone know of an office suite that works with Mavericks, lol if the problem is only in extensions, can one use the command line unopkg to lost and delete the extension causing the problem? BUT isn't the zotero plugin java based, and how many thousands of users are going to be happy about doing without zotero? At the least, LO should put up a huge banner that says that LO will not necessarily work with Mavericks and that users are advised NOT to upgrade -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Are there solutions for starting LO 4.1.2.3 without java on OSX 10.9 where OSX upgrade as been done on LO with JVM selected
It would seem that there are just a few options that a user might have after they have upgraded to Mavericks (and I think it is critical pending a resolution of the situatin that LO advise users NOT to upgrade (especially if they have not turned use JVM off) without restoring 10.8 -- the most like require the ability to access LO to turn off Use JVM... so, 1) Is there a way to start LO 4.1.2.3 from the command line with a --withoutJVM switch 2) Is there a way to edit a preferences or set up file that will turn off JVM usage (whatever impact that may have other the remaining functionality of the product 3) If not, is there a way to remove a preferences or settings file to that end and of course will any of those options result being able to bring LO up or will the Foundation issue an update quick enough to render this discussion moot? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] [interim solution] Are there solutions for starting LO 4.1.2.3 without java on OSX 10.9 where OSX upgrade as been done on LO with JVM selected
No guarantees on this, and certainly no suggestions that it is an elegant solution or the easiest Go in to your config directory and rename the file ~/Library/Application Support/LibreOffice/4/user/config javasettings_MacOSX_x86.xml. Now start LO This time LO will open though it will prompt you for a JRE. Ignore the message and go to Preferences-Advanced and unclick the use JVM switch. You may also have to go to Extension Manager and disable your Grammar checker as it appears that this extension instantiates immediately crashing LO before you can change prefs. Now you can probably use LO, though Zotero will not work (it will will prompt you for a JRE and then crash LO) -- hopefully you can point LO towards a 64 bit java 1.7 install when LO allows you to do that) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
as I am a proponent of wiki docs, I should point out that there are a number of great ways as well to convert wiki docs to epub and epub3 ;-) but, at what point are epubs of this type of value if we have effective caching browsers and ubiquitous internet -- but universal transparency is not going to be available any time soon as long as people go to horse races ;-) On 8/16/13 12:44 AM, Joaquín Lameiro wrote: Ok. Thanks for the extensive information on the three ways of exporting, Marc. Guess it kind of solve the question started by Tom. I could try to export some of the manuals, if you people decide it's worth it, but I can't devote too much time to it. Regards, Joaquín -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
save the original as docbook and use pandoc to convert to epub or epub3 and compare ;-) On 8/15/13 7:20 AM, Joaquín Lameiro wrote: Hi again. OK. I've been through the eLAIX extension and found it works quite well. I have successfully exported the first chapter of the Getting started with LO 4.0 guide (the one titled Introducing LibreOffice). Main problems I had were: - eLAIX doesn't like custom styles for headings, I had to change the headings to the standard values. I didn't gave them the properties the original document headings had (fonts, colour, etc.) but it could be easily done. It's probably useless, though, because most readers would ignore this settings. I think Virgil had problems with customized styles with the writer2epub extension too. - The first item on the lists would display different from the rest, because two different custom styles were used to create lists in this ODT: one for the first item and another for the rest of the list. Don't know why, but just giving standard list style to all solved the problem. - For some reason I don't understand, but may be something regarding frames, eLAIX failed to export the images embedded in the document. I solved this by extracting the Pictures folder from the ODT file (I used 7-zip) and then eliminating each image from the original document and inserting it again via the macro provided by eLAIX itself to insert pictures. Then, the images were properly exported. - eLAIX creates its own index, so I eliminated the ODT index. - When opening the epub file in my reader, I found a weird thing about the figure fields. These are auto-numeric fields used in the captions that follow images, like, let's say: Figure 1, LibreOffice starting window. The number here is introduced as a field (which is wise if one doesn't want to keep on updating the captions manually). Well, my reader marked these as links that linked to the beginning of the epub. This is not solved in my export. Rough solution, to eliminate the field and work the captions manually. So, my experience with eLAIX is that it would do a pretty good job, but it would take some time and effort. By the way, is there a method to make Writer select all the text with a specific style so then one can change the style of similar headings at a time? It will reduce a lot of work just to tell Write: take all the text styled as OOoHeader1 and change it into Header 1. Now, there is another much easier way to export ODT into EPUB, specially if they are well built, like is the case with the LO documentation: to pass them through the calibre ( http://calibre-ebook.com/ ) converter. I checked this with the full Getting Started Guide. It took to it quite an hour and a half in this laptop I'm using (which is not the most powerful one in the world) and it gave a reasonably good EPUB. Just two main problems: - It changes page with each new chapter or sub-chapter, so the epub has more pages than the ODT, and all the references in the original text (go to page x) make no sense, though the links will still link to the good place. Same thing for the numbers of page in the index. Maybe this can be fixed through calibre's configuration, I haven't tried that. - Some frames are rendered in a way that they don't fit in the reader's screen, so they remain partially illegible. Both these problems could be solved by editing the ODT prior to the calibre exportation, eliminating the numbers of page in the references and the index and making the frames smaller. Conclusion: eLAIX could do the job, is more flexible and works as a part of Writer. Calibre will do a more quick and less accurate work, and is third-party software, not related to LibreOffice. Still, if one just uses the exporting tools of eLAIX and calibre without any previous editing of the ODT files, calibre will come with a much better epub than eLAIX. But all of this means nothing if you don't check the epubs by yourselves. How can I share them? I'm not sure that attaching them to a mail to this list would be the appropriate way. I wait for your comments. Regards, Joaquín -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Book-writing with Writer
using elaix you can do a global search and replace (easier I think with the alt replace ext.) of the headings used in a doc with the headings elaix employs. Took just a few minutes once you understand how to do that. HOWEVER you can always select to include the existing headings without the search and replace [and this worked as well, so no reheading was actually necessary :-) ] elaix added the larger images, which none of the other options handled well (there are two different styles of images in the GS4001-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt file, however, elaix also produce the tiny png files too large using pandoc download the odt file and save as a docbook which will produce an xml file now from command line run pandoc host:directory user$ pandoc -f docbook -t epub -s GS4001.xml -o gettingstarted.epub pandoc can also produce epub3 with mathml there will be some glitches here and there but it will likely present fewer issues than many other options for converting docs already formatted, such as the guides. I noticed that there were some issues with the different graphic files. using writer2xhtml actually, if anything, using writer2xhtml (http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/writer2xhtml) to export to epub is the simplest (though there has not been any recent work on the product) though images were an issue. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
On 7/9/13 2:12 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Writer, Word and WordPerfect and others do seem to be designed for business letters and fairly short works. LaTeX (and the various front-ends (such as LyX) that attempt to make it easier to use) do seem to have advantages for larger works but are more difficult to wrestle with in the beginning when you are learning how to use them. Many people try and give up or find them a total nightmare. However, people DO manage to use Writer to do larger books. Piers Anthony, the famous sci-fi writer, mentions it in the preface to most of his books. Also our Documentation Team. Our Documentation Team have even published an ePub and since found an easier way of doing it. We should be learning from them and gain from their experience. I have heard rave reviews about Scrivener, but was not impressed when I looked at it, but then I don't usually write books.. It looked very robust and comprehensive, but a bit complex as far as setting up your templates, but I suppose the same can be said of writer. There is also a latex lab for google docs which I have played with if you want to be that granular -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
I have seen quote a bit of argument against using a master document for a book as I was exploring this subject just recently as well. The help docs of course are a good place to start. https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Master_Documents_and_Subdocuments There are a number of different tools for moving from LO to epub. There is the new eLAIX extension, Writer2epub, and you can also export as docxml and then use pandoc which will create epub3 docs for you. I used to use eScape but that is no longer supported, though it still works. The folk at infogridpacific looked like they were going to move it to an online service but it looks like that project was killed and that they are concentrating on their Digital publisher solution. On 7/8/13 5:44 AM, Nagy Ákos wrote: Hi, I know this book: http://www.openoffice.org/documentation/whitepapers/Creating_large_documents_with_OOo.odt It's an old book, and is writed for OpenOffice, but the most important part is the same, and you can reuse in LibreOffice. I know an another book for you, but it's exists only in Hungarian: http://numbertext.org/libreoffice/libreoffice.pdf is a hybrid PDF, the PDF file contains the source of the book in ODT format. Probably you don't understand it, but can see come stuff that can do with LibreOffice and Graphite technology. 2013.07.08. 7:34 keltezéssel, Pablo Dotro írta: Greetings! I am beginning a large writing project, that will most probably take the form of a self published, free ebook. And while I have created very long, complex documents before, I have never formatted them as a book. Having been using word processing software for a living for the last 15 years or so, I thought myself as power user enough to take the next step and try to create my document relying on Writer's features and not depending on someone else to typeset the material. However, after reading both the Getting Started and the Writer Guide, I am convinced that it is possible. Heh, the mere existance of those books is proof enough ;-) But I find that there is a gap between the techniques described there for working with templates, styles and master documents... and the actual craft needed to make them work. A quick look to the odt files themselves convinced me of that. So after some googling and a disappointint amazon search on books on this subject, I come here to rely on our collective knowledge, with a question: Does anyone know about a tutorial, book or website where I can specifically learn about creating a book-lenght document, with chapters (as subdocuments) and a master document, consistent styling, indexing and table of contents with Libreoffice? Thnk you very much for your time, and best regards, -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] CNET is claiming the best free MSO alternative is not LO
On 6/8/13 8:59 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: An idea I've been having for 20+ years now is: how about an office automation tool (wordprocessor, spreadsheet, whatever) that would come with the bare minimal features (define: bare minimal) and could be enhanced by adding features through a plugin system à la LibreOffice extensions? This way, anyone could tailor the software to their exact needs and the tools devs would focus on dedicated areas to add features. seems to me this is what Borland tried to do with Sprint. for most purposes I would probably be satisfied with wordstar - much bloat is attached to go going from simple word processing to what passed for desktop publishing 20 years ago -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Creating EPUB e-books
Perhaps better solutions can be found in using the elaix extension or by saving as docxml and thenfeeding the result through pandoc On 5/30/13 7:51 AM, James Knott wrote: There has been some discussion about creating EPUB e-books from OpenOffice and LibreOffice. One method I recently came across is to use Sigil to create the EPUB from HTML. OpenOffice and LibreOffice can save in HTML format, which can then be used as a source for this application. http://code.google.com/p/sigil/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fractions in Maths
I am likely late to this thread, but why won't using
sqrt{4a^2 over 9} = +- {2a over 3}
as an LO formula work for you, or using
\sqrt{\frac{4a^2}{9}}=\pm\frac{2a}{3}
in TexMath
While it would be grand to be able to simply have LO parse TeX (or your
math notation of preference), the two options above seem reasonable
compromises
On 4/16/13 8:23 AM, C. H. D. wrote:
Hello! At last, I have submitted a proposal to include an AutoCorrect option
to type fractions with horizontal lines, e.g.
12
___
13
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63610
I need fractions as they are related to equations, e.g.
4a
__=4
9
Regards,
C. H. D.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
--
For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Bug report for LibreOffice 3.6.4.3 on Mac OS X 10.6.8
With 3.6.3.2 and OSX 10.8.2 selecting two odt files from Finder and directing Finder to open both with LO results in a graphic message that file1file2 does not exist (suggesting it is concatenating the file name?) HOWEVER - using the LO menu to open the same multiple odt files works without issue. On 12/9/12 10:36 AM, NoOp wrote: On 12/09/2012 02:22 AM, M Henri Day wrote: 2012/12/9 Lincoln Ramsay a1291...@gmail.com I couldn't find a bug report link on LibreOffice.org so I'm sending it here. Steps to reproduce: Navigate to a folder in the Finder that has more than 1 .odt file. Select two .odt files. Open them (Command + O). Expected outcome: LibreOffice should open both documents. Actual outcome: LibreOffice puts up an error dialog with the following message: /path/to/document1.odt /path/to/document2.odt does not exist. It seems LibreOffice does not correctly handle opening multiple documents at once, treating both filenames as one filename (to a file that does not exist). It does not matter if LibreOffice is running or not. Opening one document at a time works as expected, it's only multiple documents that fails. I'm not sure if this affects older versions. I may not have attempted to open multiple documents until today. Just for the record, I have no difficulty performing the operation described above using the Swedish version of LibreOffice 3.6.0.1 on 64-bit Ubuntu 12.04 Henri WFM as well: Version 3.6.3.2 (Build ID: 58f22d5) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Process
Michael, No one is upset that a bug almost two years was not resolved. The file in question appeared to have been dropped (in other words, it was in the product, and then it wasn't), and we could find no explanation for why it was dropped, which suggests that somewhere there is a QA issue, but that is another problem altogether, isn't it? We did our best to document the existence of the file over the course of various incarnations and branches of the software and waited for some dev to confirm what we had found and respond to our suggestions. The frustration arose over the fact that the only documented review of the bug by anyone other than reporters was procedural. My comments regarding passive aggressiveness had to do with the repeated fiddling of the file without the file getting assigned for any review in a manner that did not appear in any way to move the process forward. That works both ways, and if someone wants respect for moving something forward, there should likewise be some respect for those documenting the bugs. As far as your recommendation, Please don't think that because your bug is not commented on that it is not considered, I respectfully suggest that that is just what one should think, in as much as that is what happens in any tracker I have ever been involved in. The bug gets assigned to a Dev (I believe this bug never was) and an analysis is done (and there was no analysis done in that I believe it was never assigned.) Had it been assigned I am sure the assignee would have reviewed the comments, looked at the files referenced, and commented in the bug, addressing priority, issues, etc. I don't think anyone reporting on the bug was willing to go further until someone from the Dev team provided some review and guidance, which, of course, was not forthcoming. More importantly from a project (engineering, lol) standpoint, however, a review without comment means that the time reviewed is arguably lost to the project because there is then no record of the results of that review. I have dealt in other projects with inconsistent licensing (using one issue you mention), and when a dev has commented that licensing needed to be aligned I have addressed that. But there has been no such analysis documented in this item (again, arguaby because it was never assigned to anyone.) I am done with it. I had hoped to make a point and move on (prompted in no small part by the suggestion that the foundation take zotero under its aegis), and but for my take on incremental issues regarding lack of proper contextual help in the tracker, I would have. But as I have tried to suggest, respect is a two way street. Will I move my systems to AOO? I don't know yet. But I won't be reporting any more bugs. On 8/17/12 1:13 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 09:00 -0800, Marc Grober wrote: The latest from Florian in misspelled CAPS (which now brings us to the fact that the devs have touched this bug some 8 times without ever bothering to actually read it) - Bravo Florian, we read you 5 by 5: I've read it a couple of times over the years - and concluded that it's a minefield: of licensing - bundling GPL pieces, of odd requests: please checkin this binary into your source code revision control, and worse. It requires some real thought, research and unwinding to get it right. It is not a trivial matter of just shove XYZ file into your distribution - while that may work, it is not a sustainable way to develop software. Please don't think that because your bug is not commented on that it is not considered. In general I like to provide some positive input in bugs rather than the above. As such, we need to find someone to do the hard work to get the code provenance unwound, and grok the situation as to what can be included and how. Since I don't have the time to do that now, and I know of no-one that does, it looks set to continue to remain open; at least until someone is motivated to do the necessary work. It looks just like a lot of other nice-to-have features we want but can't yet resource. All the best, Michael. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: NEEDINFO status on bugs vs. additional comments
+1 +1 On 8/17/12 1:12 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote: leif wrote: Half the problem is communication. Very much to the point. 1) simply commenting a bug does _not_ remove NEEDINFO status - in this case, only if the submitter had commented _and_ changed status to NEW, the bugs wouldn't have been closed 2) exposing users to the technicalities of a bugtracking system will frustrate people on either side, every other time As much as the version field, the status field might be confusing. Let's collectively learn from that, and improve things going forward. Sorry for the mess - but I would hate us arguing over spilled milk, instead of moving ahead. Thanks all for the valuable feedback, -- Thorsten -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
And now someone has jumped on my bug and changed my reporting so that it shows that it is only in 3.3 - that's the last straw. I will not have anything further to do with bug reporting. All those fine devs can choke on their bloody buggy product. Congratulations! You have alienated yet another volunteer. On Aug 16, 2012, at 12:20 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Interesting thought and a good diagram, thanks :) Something i have wondered for a while is how to utilise what this particular list has to offer, perhaps confirming bug-reports could be partially done through this list? Occasionally someone new on this list expresses an interest in getting more involved or somehow repaying the community. Also this list is quite good at eventually pinning-down exactly what an initial question was probably really asking. People here generally don't have much time or experience but might be willing to push a couple of buttons to see if something really doesn't work, especially if it's not risky. Could we have a weekly report listing unconfirmed bug-reports generated during the week? Would it be easier to have a link that listed all the 'thousands' of unconfirmed bug-reports? Is it thousands or (as i suspect) much much lower? Ideally it would be great to have devs doing development rather than devs spending time trying to work at customer-relations and guessing at what people meant by certain bug-reports. Just my 2pence-worth Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 16/8/12, Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com wrote: From: Andrew Brager apb3...@bak.rr.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same. To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 16 August, 2012, 1:16 On 8/15/2012 3:20 PM, Marc Grober wrote: On 8/15/12 1:57 PM, Andrew Brager wrote: Thanks for your comments. What still remains unclear to me (not that it matters as I have no influence/authority on anything done by anyone - I'm simply trying to help you all sort it out so somebody in a position to do something can then do it) is whether the bug status was changed in that 5 month period between when you re-confirmed the bug, and when it was closed. In other words, did it get changed from NEEDINFO to NEW when you reconfirmed the bug, as was implied should have happened? Or did it go from NEEDINFO to CLOSED with no intervening status? If the latter, then in my opinion there's a bug in bugzilla as (I would think) it should have changed when you reconfirmed the bug. If the former, then there's a problem with the process, not the tool. The answers to those questions will answer the question which one needs fixing? If the process needs fixing, then in my opinion there needs to be additional status flags and additional feedback from the developers as I previously wrote. Based on Florien's post, it sounds like he only closed those that were in the NEEDINFO state, which implies there's a bug in bugzilla as I state above. I think there is another possibility, and that is that the bug lifecycle is dubious. See, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/docs/en/html/lifecycle.html That diagram is in fact interesting. Based on that diagram (which may or may not be utilized by the LO team), then the process followed by the LO team is in error. They've chosen to dump unconfirmed bugs back on the user community, instead of confirming the bugs themselves. I can understand why they've done it, the work is probably overwhelming and they're volunteers so they've chosen to let each individual user/bug submitter either resubmit or assume resolved status. Not a bad choice from their point of view, it's the path of least work for them. It makes sense from that viewpoint. The proper way to do it would have been to check each bug themselves as normally would be done prior to a production release. They took the practical, expedient approach instead and I don't think you can fault them for doing so. With respect to LO bugs, it is still unclear what the various stages of the bug lifecycle is, and who is empowered to make various changes to the bug status. As an unempowered user I cannot confirm a bug. Nor should you be able to confirm a bug. And that of course is where the model (or process) is broken, since as I mentioned above they've dumped the testing back on the user - with decent reasoning - but it still breaks the model as provided by the diagram. So yes, somebody on the developer's side needs to make some decisions as to how best to fix the model and/or process. Personally I don't see a problem with their decision to dump the bugs back on the user considering they themselves are volunteers, but somewhere somehow the status needs to change from NEEDINFO to NEW (which is not provided for in the model so clearly things
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
On 8/16/12 7:07 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Gr, can't you just change it back? rant That is not the point, Tom. This bug was only really a matter of a file having been dropped. But the devs have spent more time fiddling with how it is listed than if they had just added the missing file. More importantly, the most recent change was apparently made because in trying to reopen the bug I failed to do things the way they want them done, though there is no documentation of how that is supposed to work. Specifically, the documentation states: Version: The Version field is usually used for versions of a product which have been released, and is set to indicate which versions of a Component have the particular problem the bug report is about. In many bug systems that means the reporter can in fact select all the versions in which the errors appears, but this product does not allow that. So what is one to do? Especially where a bug has been closed. I reopened and set the version to the most recent version in which I observed the bug. I thought this would be reasonable especially in as much as the history reflects the initial appearance of the bug. So then a dev steps in and changes the version, stating, 'Version' is most old version where bug is reproducible. Not current version. Changing to 3.3.1 back I DID then change it back to 3.5.2 and commented that devs should spend time writing tracker context help instead of fiddling with bugs that were never going to be fixed. My response IS NOT productive (as was initially noted in this list, lol) but isn't it so much fun to be passive aggressive? Don't go! If you do you will be missed! Thanks for that (and I did get a chuckle from Marc Paré's reference to the wiki provisions on top vs bottom posting, lol) but life is too short to piss into the wind. It is one thing to work collaboratively with people who see things differently, another to labor in the dark with no one listening - did you see any comment from any dev on THIS list apologizing to users, acknowledging issues, etc? Maybe if we start a discussion about whether paragraphs are appropriate in list posts we could attract some attention? I don't know that I am going anywhere. but I am certainly not interested in putting in time to run down bugs if this is how users are treated. /rant -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Wood chucking
Give it a rest. I am 60. I know what an RFQ and what an RFC is. I know what NATO is and what a BFF is, lol. I know where I can go to find acronyms because I spent the time to go look. And if someone references zotero, instead of asking a dozen times what it is, I can spend two seconds finding out for myself. The same applies with respect to AOO, which one could find, knowing the context, in 15 seconds. And I know that no matter what term I might use on this list, someone will argue that they want to know what the term means and eventually that I used the term inappropriately. Like Engineering, for example. Let's argue about what an engineer is. The neighbor kid thinks an engineer is someone who runs a train. Someone want to argue that? I think the Roman Army was staffed with engineers. Someone is going to tell me I am mistaken because Roman army did ENGineering, not engiNEERing? SOmeone else wants to suggest that today engineers are Scientists? Not according to the spokesman for the Higgs Boson team, lol http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/08/mars-rover-should-not-get-so-much-attention-say-higgs-boson-scientists.html , rofl. but, come on, this is a grgeat place to discuss anything other than LibreOffice! I apologize if I appear rude (yes, I am aware of the Latin root and would like to spend some considerable time on this list discussing the use of rude as meaning impolite, as opposed to unlearned, but think doing that in a new thread would be preferable, though we could argue about the appropriateness of a new thread to accomplish same here for a bit), but I have a burr under my saddle, as it were, and it seems to me if one is going to chew some butt, one might as well chew as much butt as one can chew kind of a how much wood can a wood chuck chuck thing. (no, this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q6Ti9xCX_M - has nothing to do with it) If one looks at the bandwidth on this list I think one would note, on a regular basis, that a substantial portion is spent arguing over communication style (as is the case with this epistle.) Give it a rest. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
The latest from Florian in misspelled CAPS (which now brings us to the fact that the devs have touched this bug some 8 times without ever bothering to actually read it) - Bravo Florian, we read you 5 by 5: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35361 Florian Reisinger reisi...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|reisi...@gmail.com | Version|3.5.2 release |3.3.1 release --- Comment #41 from Florian Reisinger reisi...@gmail.com 2012-08-16 16:12:33 UTC --- PLEASE LEAVE IT AT THE OLDEST REPRODUCABLE VERSION - Thanks -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
And here is the best bit: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35361 --- Comment #42 from Björn Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com 2012-08-16 16:58:22 UTC --- @Marc: Seeing you boasting here: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Excuse-me-but-your-opinion-is-simply-unimportant-Start-over-and-you-can-expect-more-of-the-same-tp4001269p4001858.html that you knew you are creating extra work for the volunteers on the QA team with intend is really disgusting given the workload of this team. Also note that the version is clearly documented to be _first_ version showing the bug: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA-FAQ Even if it wasnt documented: If you take a moment to think about this, there is also no other way the version field can be used: If the bug is not present in the latest release the bug is closed anyway. If the bug is present in the latest release, the bug is open and and the only relevant information is: since when? Please refain from continuing with abusive behaviour like the one you are boasting about. I dont think repeating such behaviour is going to be tolerated. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
I put the bug back into Resolved-Invalid status. Done. Excuse me while I go abuse myself :-) On 8/16/12 9:03 AM, Marc Grober wrote: And here is the best bit: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35361 --- Comment #42 from Björn Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com 2012-08-16 16:58:22 UTC --- @Marc: Seeing you boasting here: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Excuse-me-but-your-opinion-is-simply-unimportant-Start-over-and-you-can-expect-more-of-the-same-tp4001269p4001858.html that you knew you are creating extra work for the volunteers on the QA team with intend is really disgusting given the workload of this team. Also note that the version is clearly documented to be _first_ version showing the bug: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA-FAQ Even if it wasnt documented: If you take a moment to think about this, there is also no other way the version field can be used: If the bug is not present in the latest release the bug is closed anyway. If the bug is present in the latest release, the bug is open and and the only relevant information is: since when? Please refain from continuing with abusive behaviour like the one you are boasting about. I dont think repeating such behaviour is going to be tolerated. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
Ditto on mine. this was just mindless On 8/15/12 10:50 AM, Andreas Säger wrote: Am 15.08.2012 20:05, leif wrote: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39523 The bug has never been commented by humans and all later activity was automated (except the once from my hand). The perfect example for what went wrong here. Someone tagged it blindly as NEEDINFO although the request for improvement is perfectly clear even for me who never used Impress for anything but viewing. I open an Impress window, call 2 built-in menu commands and I do not need any more info. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
Yes and no. The initial news about bug tracker issues went out in March. Many responded, as did I, updating the bug to confirm that it was still a bug In fact, at the time I specifically asked why we needed to confirm the bug if in fact the bug was long stnding and nothing had been done by developers about the resolution suggested. The response was a thank you for updating. THEN, 5 MONTHS LATER, we received post facto notice that the bug had been closed, an across the board second effort to change bug status without regard to anything that had been done in March. The March notice re 'my' bug was in fact bogus, because the bug was documented very well, and status was simply not changed because no dev took the time to address the bug. On 8/15/12 12:54 PM, Andrew Brager wrote: I was curious as to what the commotion on this subject was so I looked at the bug submitted wherein I found the automated message: Björn Michaelsen 2011-12-23 12:27:51 UTC [This is an automated message.] This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed. The bug is changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from NEEDINFO back to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1 or beta2 prereleases. Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1 more detail on this bulk operation: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RFC-Operation-Spamzilla-tp3607474p3607474.html Seems pretty clear to me. In fact, if one actually goes to the trouble of clicking on the bulk operation link, one finds complete information regarding what was done and why. To make it more convenient for you all, I present a portion of the information here: here is an urgent request for comments. We still have ~2400 bugs in state NEW from the pre-Bugzilla 4.0 days. Back then we had no initial state UNCONFIRMED, so unfortunately they started with NEW. This is changed now for new bugs, but the old ones are still in state NEW because we did not want to spam the subscribers of 2400 bugs just by changing those bugs. This leaves us in the unfortunate situation to having to check dates etc. to see what the status really means, which is really bad. So here is my proposal: I want to batch change all those old unconfirmed bugs (without the now obsolete CONFIRMED in whiteboard status) to state NEEDINFO. We can then be sure that a bug in state NEW is actually confirmed. This is urgent, because I think we have a good opportunity right now. I want to do the bulk change with this comment: [This is an automated message.] This bug was filed before the changes to Bugzilla on 2011-10-16. Thus it started right out as NEW without ever being explicitly confirmed. The bug is changed to state NEEDINFO for this reason. To move this bug from NEEDINFO back to NEW please check if the bug still persists with the 3.5.0 beta1 prerelease. Details on how to test the 3.5.0 beta1 can be found at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHunting_Session_3.5.0.-1 By doing this, we would: a) get our bug data consistent (all NEW bug would have basic confirmation) b) lure a lot more people into participating in the beta1 bug hunt c) do so without spamming a lot of people in vain. d) could get rid of the confusing UNCONFIRMED,CONFIRMED tags in whiteboard status To be effective for the bug hunting session this would have to be done rather fast. Thus, if nobody vetos this, I would do that tommorrow in ~500 bug batches. Objections? Vetos? Comments? Best, Bjoern This at least provides the history of how things got from there to here and so could help provide a better understanding. I do agree that there needs to be better information regarding how to change the status, as it's unclear (to me at least) how the status got changed to RESOLVED INVALID, other than the fact that Leif stated very clearly in this particular bug: _Not actually a bug _but more an easy improvement to the user interface. Perhaps that's the reason it became invalid. I'm simply guessing. It would seem any perceived problems stem from Bugzilla and attempts to make improvements to the bug fixing process. Where it may have broken down is in the uncertain area of what happened when Leif responded to the NEEDINFO request. The question becomes, did Bugzilla change the status to NEW as Bjoern implies would happen and then a developer further changed the status to RESOLVED INVALID? If so, then perhaps that particular status needs better detail from the developer (or QA) as Leif requests - something like Not a bug, but an enhancement request. And then perhaps a pointer to how to submit enhancement requests. To me, a better status message would have simply been ENHANCEMENT REQUEST and
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
On 8/15/12 1:57 PM, Andrew Brager wrote: Thanks for your comments. What still remains unclear to me (not that it matters as I have no influence/authority on anything done by anyone - I'm simply trying to help you all sort it out so somebody in a position to do something can then do it) is whether the bug status was changed in that 5 month period between when you re-confirmed the bug, and when it was closed. In other words, did it get changed from NEEDINFO to NEW when you reconfirmed the bug, as was implied should have happened? Or did it go from NEEDINFO to CLOSED with no intervening status? If the latter, then in my opinion there's a bug in bugzilla as (I would think) it should have changed when you reconfirmed the bug. If the former, then there's a problem with the process, not the tool. The answers to those questions will answer the question which one needs fixing? If the process needs fixing, then in my opinion there needs to be additional status flags and additional feedback from the developers as I previously wrote. Based on Florien's post, it sounds like he only closed those that were in the NEEDINFO state, which implies there's a bug in bugzilla as I state above. I think there is another possibility, and that is that the bug lifecycle is dubious. See, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/docs/en/html/lifecycle.html With respect to LO bugs, it is still unclear what the various stages of the bug lifecycle is, and who is empowered to make various changes to the bug status. As an unempowered user I cannot confirm a bug. Moreover, there is no context help available regarding status hierarchy. What I think I am seeing, as in so many such projects, is a disconnect between what devs think is happening and what bug reporters think is happening. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
In fact it was explained twice before, so perhaps some of the list mail is going in to your spam folder? AOO is the apache branch of OpenOffice On 8/15/12 4:34 PM, anne-ology wrote: I too would like to know. It's been mentioned a few times now ... someone asks what is it, yet no one responds ;-) or are they responding privately ??? On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.comwrote: On 14/08/12 21:13, Andreas Säger wrote: I'm going to upgrade all our production systems to AOO 3.4.1 What is AOO? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Zotero Integration with LO [Proposition / Feature Request?]
See zotero.org You will find a few videos It is what you might think of as a bibliographic tool. I recommend it to all my students (along with FF and LO.) It also provides for sharing of collaborati libraries. I would have to suggest that the zotero community might appear to be less prone to spatting and more cohesive, and that would be my only heartburn in a closer relationship. On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:20 AM, anne-ology lagin...@gmail.com wrote: Could you please explain what is Zotero? On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.comwrote: Hi Guys I have a proposition for you all and am not sure if you would class it as a feature request or a partnership suggestion. My idea is as follows: The Document Foundation partners up with Roy Rosenzwieg Center for History and New Media and work together on making The Zotero project an integral part of the LibreOffice frame work. I have the feeling that I might be treading on thin ground here but I will outline my reasons as to why this could work below * Libreoffice is perfect for use within university's / schools as it can be easily distributed thanks to the GNU license the same goes for Zotero * The use of Zotero could replace the inbuilt Bibliography referencing tool as the current one is quite bewildering to use for many people * Zotero has a nice GUI and can work in with Firefox via an extension which is also open source so at the same time we are not just supporting one open-source initiative but three! * Zotero is open to suggestions and it appears to other projects as well * Increased awareness of The Document Foundation program via Zotero related media attention (Vice Versa for LO and Zotero) * it would bring a fresh feel to the whole project and could even mean a new approach and reinvigorate the project Let me Know what you think and feel free to shoot me down if you so wish! Regards Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
This (see the quote below) is simply unacceptable. In fact, with respect to the bug on which I received this little gem quite a few people had been at pains to clearly identify the problem and the potential solution, and neither having changed at all, there had been no changes to the bug report save angry responses everytime someone tried to close it because it had not been updated. What is Florian really saying? It would appear to be either that the product is SO buggy we have decided to ignore all the bug reports OR that users are S stupid that we are going to ignore all bug reports Thank you, Florian, for the vote of confidence. If I had the time I would go through and re-open every one of these simply to give Florian something to do. Dear bug submitter! Due to the fact, that there are a lot of NEEDINFO bugs with no answer within the last six months, we close all of these bugs. To keep this message short, more infos are available @ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/NeedinfoClosure#Statement Thanks for understanding and hopefully updating your bug, so that everything is prepared for developers to fix your problem. Yours! Florian -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Zotero Integration with LO [Proposition / Feature Request?]
Oh, and I don't know if I want zotero associated with a project that deletes long standing bugs with a huge amount of detail simply because they are old, as LO just did. On 8/14/12 5:20 AM, anne-ology wrote: Could you please explain what is Zotero? On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:52 AM, Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.comwrote: Hi Guys I have a proposition for you all and am not sure if you would class it as a feature request or a partnership suggestion. My idea is as follows: The Document Foundation partners up with Roy Rosenzwieg Center for History and New Media and work together on making The Zotero project an integral part of the LibreOffice frame work. I have the feeling that I might be treading on thin ground here but I will outline my reasons as to why this could work below * Libreoffice is perfect for use within university's / schools as it can be easily distributed thanks to the GNU license the same goes for Zotero * The use of Zotero could replace the inbuilt Bibliography referencing tool as the current one is quite bewildering to use for many people * Zotero has a nice GUI and can work in with Firefox via an extension which is also open source so at the same time we are not just supporting one open-source initiative but three! * Zotero is open to suggestions and it appears to other projects as well * Increased awareness of The Document Foundation program via Zotero related media attention (Vice Versa for LO and Zotero) * it would bring a fresh feel to the whole project and could even mean a new approach and reinvigorate the project Let me Know what you think and feel free to shoot me down if you so wish! Regards Anthony Easthope antiso...@myopera.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
Leif, First, I may be inconsequential, but I did not see any apology. Perhaps it only went out on the dev list. Second, I am not concerned about receiving multiple iterations of the bug closing, but as you suggest, by the closing of a bug simply because it was too much trouble to address. Third, the bug in question in my case was not only clearly identified, but a solution proposed months ago. Fourth, the bug was reclassified in March because the bug tracker was redone, requiring me to reconfirm Fifth, then a few weeks later (end of March 2012) I was asked again to reconfirm and I did. While I agree that whining here is not the answer, I am at a loss as to what else we can do other than to identify the bug, identify the code needed, and identify the source of the needed code. I understand that my little issue is NOT a show stopper, but I am horrified just thinking about what other bugs were simply marked resolved that may be the result of even more effort than we put in on the little item I was involved with. I have had my little rant, for what it is worth, and I hope that there are some devs on this list that may take the message to heart, and that is that. Apologies to all. On 8/14/12 12:32 PM, leif wrote: Hello Marc, I feel the same as you. some of these bugs are not closed because they need info but because we need developers. We can't do much about that, but we should not behave like this to our polite bug reporters. This is not a serious way to embrace community members. I can understand that the developers and QA team needs a better overview of bugs - but this is not the best way to deal with the problem. Perhaps better communication or something else could help, but not this approach, please. Cheers, Leif Lodahl Cheers, Leif Lodahl On 14-08-2012 20:48, Marc Grober wrote: This (see the quote below) is simply unacceptable. In fact, with respect to the bug on which I received this little gem quite a few people had been at pains to clearly identify the problem and the potential solution, and neither having changed at all, there had been no changes to the bug report save angry responses everytime someone tried to close it because it had not been updated. What is Florian really saying? It would appear to be either that the product is SO buggy we have decided to ignore all the bug reports OR that users are S stupid that we are going to ignore all bug reports Thank you, Florian, for the vote of confidence. If I had the time I would go through and re-open every one of these simply to give Florian something to do. Dear bug submitter! Due to the fact, that there are a lot of NEEDINFO bugs with no answer within the last six months, we close all of these bugs. To keep this message short, more infos are available @ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/NeedinfoClosure#Statement Thanks for understanding and hopefully updating your bug, so that everything is prepared for developers to fix your problem. Yours! Florian -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Excuse me, but your opinion is simply unimportant. Start over and you can expect more of the same.
AOO is the apache open office. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Signing Documents with a personal Certificate
Use a phrase from a poem that you like and substitute - like 0s for os On 6/20/12 11:50 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: 1 lower case letter, 1 upper case letter, a number, white space and a misc symbol, a second additional point for having it over 30 characters and don't include any section of your name, or password or email address or if it matches a word from the English dictionary. Hows an over 50 supposed to remember a password like that!! On 2012-06-21 17:47, Marc Grober wrote: https://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=1 On 6/20/12 6:14 PM, James Knott wrote: Marc Grober wrote: get a cert from CACert.org Hmmm... I just tried going to that site and got this: This Connection is Untrusted You have asked Firefox to connectsecurely to www.cacert.org, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure. Normally, when you try to connect securely, sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. However, this site's identity can't be verified. What Should I Do? If you usually connect to this site without problems, this error could mean that someone is trying to impersonate the site, and you shouldn't continue. Not good for a certificate site. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Signing Documents with a personal Certificate
I have been recently been given a project where I have to sign my Document with a personal signature (as in a certificate) Now I know that you can do this with LO but what I am confused about as to how I can get a Personal User Certificate that is able to identify me is at not cost to my self. If some one would be able to advise me on where to get one how best to install the certificate for use withing LO that would be of a huge help! (: get a cert from CACert.org -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Signing Documents with a personal Certificate
https://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=1 On 6/20/12 6:14 PM, James Knott wrote: Marc Grober wrote: get a cert from CACert.org Hmmm... I just tried going to that site and got this: This Connection is Untrusted You have asked Firefox to connectsecurely to www.cacert.org, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure. Normally, when you try to connect securely, sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. However, this site's identity can't be verified. What Should I Do? If you usually connect to this site without problems, this error could mean that someone is trying to impersonate the site, and you shouldn't continue. Not good for a certificate site. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] subscription cancellation
Where should we send the refund? On 6/11/12 6:26 PM, Tom Duk wrote: Hi, I would like to cancel my subscription. Thank you. Tom -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Font Problems on OS X
I think fonts are completely handled via a link to the OS, so perhaps you might try checking fontbook and making sure that the fonts are indeed available to the system as OSX can sometimes be peckish about fonts. On 6/6/12 11:13 AM, Andy Theuninck wrote: LibreOffice (3.5.3.2) doesn't show all my fonts. I don't think it's necessarily a problem with how the fonts are installed - I've tried putting them in both ~/Library/Fonts and /Library/Fonts. Also, every other application can access them just fine (including NeoOffice and vanilla oo.org). I'm not sure how to debug this. Nothing in the preferences settings exposes where it's pulling fonts from or if the list is cached somehow and needs to be reloaded. Anyone have any insights? PSType 1 fonts by any chance ? There was a discussion last week on this list about the same subject (missing fonts). Quite possible. Each font has three files associated with it: one's a PS Type 1, one is a font suitcase, and on is a .afm file. Beyond that I'm a bit over my head in terms of font types on OS X. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 3.5 w/zotero crashing on export?
On Jun 4, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Russell Wilson russwilso...@yahoo.com.au wrote: check the archives Actually did a complete web search and only came up with an ancient bug. _ From: Simon Cropper simoncrop...@fossworkflowguides.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2012 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 3.5 w/zotero crashing on export? Ditto. I have never seen your posts on Zotero or PDF. I require both and all versions of LO have supported this functionality since it forked from OO. On 05/06/12 04:11, Marc Grober wrote: Whoa! You posted concerns re exporting LO 3.5 to PDF w zotero entries? Sorry, but never saw the post and it's news to me as my install of 3.5.3.2 works perfectly with export of zotero cites and works cited to PDF -AND I would be very put out if it stopped working. Could someone point me to the current bug on this? Not to say a bug will be addressed (the quicklook issue has not been touched though the solution appeared to be available) but it's nice to keep an eye on such. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] math issues
This was one reason I wanted to assist in working on docs, but the curve one needed to address in order to do that proved just too much. A far cry from experience working on wiki based documentation. What often is a problem in such areas is that those used to doing something in a particular manner don't really understand where another user may be coming from. When I talk of Math being universal and transparent I mean that a user should not have to be bothered with issues of entering and displaying Math. Another issue is context - the cause for the start of this thread is one example. A second is Regina's e-mail suggesting that I do a Save As - Flat XML though I have no such option in my save as dialog. As far as exporting as xhtml, I have 4 different export to xhtml options (it took me a while to figure out which one to use to obtain.) But, if I do export as xhtml the LO default gives me an html doc that appears to be an mathml xml document, which if I then try to import as a formula will not work (though it appears to be identical to the file that does work), even if I change the extension to mml or xml. I have tried checking format to make sure it is plain text etc. SO, if a tool can't be used simply and effectively, it won't be used. And, of course, it works for me doesn't help. Typically the key to goo documentation is identifying where users go off the rails I started playing with this some 5 years ago because a fellow teacher wanted to be able to mock up his math assignments in OOo and then convey them to the web, without the math getting turned into images that had to be separately maintained. I don't know that things would be any easier now for him... On 5/9/12 8:02 AM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Tom, Tom Davies schrieb: Hi :) It probably doesn't get quite so far into it but the official Math Guide is ready http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Math_Guide The docs team have done an amazing amount in the last couple of weeks. Regards from Tom :) We (German group) too. The English Guide has no section on Import and Export. That section is new in the German Guide (and some other parts). For LO 3.5 or 3.6 it is worth to look at the German Guide and if you find it useful, translate it to English. Kind regards Regina -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Formulas...
D4 and E10 are cells not columns as a result it is unclear what you mean by copy E10 down so that D4 is the constant. What exactly are yo trying to accomplish? On 5/9/12 3:03 PM, Zed wrote: It is so long since I used the Formula I'm looking for that I have forgotten what it is. Here is my problem I have a column, say, D4 in which I have a constant figure, say, 100 Another column E10 , let's call it Production, contains a figure of, say, 79 I can establish that 79 is 79% of actual production by entering the formula =E10/D4 and then Formatting the expression to Percentage. But I cannot remember the formula to copy E10 down so that D4 is the constant. I have tried E/10/D4, E10/$D4, $E10/D4, $E10/$D4 and then Filled Down without obtaining the correct answer. If anyone on the list is able to help me, I'd be most gratefu, Zed Desk - A very large wastebasket with drawers. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] math issues
Was looking at recent changes and came across this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10300067/how-to-load-and-mathml-formula-into-libreoffice, which suggests that there is in LO an Insert Formula option from the Tools menu. I can find no such thing and I don't recall that I ever saw this. Is there a way to import mathml without deconstructing zip files now? WHile looking at this I also discovered that my existing extensions for xhtml and latex have been apparently deleted as a result of an update -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] changed profile location
But it looked like at least some of the extensions survived the upgrade... and the balance of my profile seemed to have been picked up (name etc.) so what would have happened? On 5/8/12 2:16 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Re: side issue about Extensions ... Prior to 3.5.x branch the UserProfile, which contains the Extensions, was located in .libreoffice The 3.5.x branch moved it's UserProfile to .config/libreoffice You might find Extensions still in the old folders. It might be worth looking in Tools - Options - Paths to get some idea of where your UserProfile is now and maybe to get it looking in the old places. Alternatively this wiki-page might help http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile Regards from Tom :) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] math issues
You are right: it is not there. Here is where it is located: Insert Object Formula. Even the link you mentions shows that. Insert has a blue background (highlighted), and so to Object and Formula. --Dan AHA, the issue is that in order to Import Formula from the Tool menu you must first have the equation editor OPEN! And unfortunately, this allows input by file only... why would the application, specifically intended to llow one to import MathML, not allow one to paste the mathml in, as opposed to requiring one to place the mathml in an xml file? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] math issues
? Why deconstructing zip files? Import of MathML is possible at least since OOo2.4. because that way I can edit the file, as opposed to playing little games with creating lots of little xml files and adding them hither thither and yon -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] math issues
It is still not clear to me. Where is your MathML source, that you will get into a LO document? MathML source is obtained via mathjax - one need only copy and paste -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] math issues
It is exact as described in the link: First Insert Object Formula. Now you are in the formula editor. And then Tools Import Formula. Only if yo don't exit the equation editor before selecting Tools-Import, which one might do in as much as the documentation does not include those few precious words while the equation editor is open, lol. Now, as far as importing xml files, I have never been successful at importing mathml and must assume that this is accomplished through some secret handshake as well ;-) for example, an attempt to import test.xml which consisted of the following: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? !DOCTYPE math PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD MathML 2.0//EN http://www.w3.org/Math/DTD/mathml2/mathml2.dtd; math xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML; mrow mia/mi mo#x2062;!-- InvisibleTimes; --/mo msup mix/mi mn2/mn /msup mo+/mo mib/mi mo#x2062;!-- InvisibleTimes; --/mo mix/mi mo+/mo mic/mi /mrow /math was unsuccessful. An attempt to export similar code as writer xml was similarly ineffective on import. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] math issues
On 5/8/12 4:16 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 16:03 -0800, Marc Grober wrote: It is still not clear to me. Where is your MathML source, that you will get into a LO document? MathML source is obtained via mathjax - one need only copy and paste Have you tried this? Insert Object Formula. Then copy and paste the MathML into the area where the cursor is. I was able to copy and paste text there. --Dan putting mathml into the editor box will not work as the editor only parses the syntax that LO uses (as opposed to parsing universally based on tokens like a well behaved program, lol) so one can't just insert MathML ASCIIMathML or TeX or anything lese, nor is there a simple tool to manage the translation. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] math issues
I was finally able to get some files to import. The results largely acceptable (there were some flaws as a result of inadequate curly braces and the like) - and the experience suggests that there are, as expected, some issues. Some of those issues relate potentially to the lack of specifics as far as what kind of mathml can be imported and the specifics of the import files. The question remains, though, why not simply allow the user to paste the MathML in to the importer and avoid the xml and DTD statements. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] math issues
Hm... And exporting a document with imported MathML results in the MathML being saved as an image . Ack. No way to alter that behavior I suppose? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] ePub?
I remember some time ago a thread about publish to the ePub format from LibreOffice, I can't seem to find it. I have used eScape from infogridpacific as an OOo add-on - it works very well, but they re not supporting it anymore. Of course you can also use Sigil to suck up what you appropriately format with LO -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] ePub and reveries
On 5/3/12 2:17 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: A quote from the web site about the online service: eScape - ePub Creator infogridpacific has been focusing a great deal of their attention on azardi and their publishing portal which for institutions offers some interesting benefits, and one front on which they have moved forward is on use of MathJax. One thing that LO really needs is a much more simplified way in which to place and exhibit Math. It would be nice if LO could use DragMath, MathJax and jsxgraph ;-) In any event, I have written to ask them about when they might actually roll out http://escape.infogridpacific.com and will advise when I hear. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to edit words and phrases in a pdf
If I open a pdf that contains encoded text I can edit the pdf text in LO, but a pdf may not have text encoded in it, in which case you would have to do OCR etc. On 4/12/12 7:38 AM, jomali wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Normally when i open a pdf document in LibreOffice each line of text seems to be contained in it's own text-box which i can then move around or perhaps delete but i can't seem to edit the words inside the line, eg to correct typos. Is it possible to edit pdfs in the same way that we can edit Odts? Do i need to add an Extension? No. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: PLEASE ban this spammer! - NO
This requires a top-posted Amen, lol On 4/9/12 8:13 PM, Don Myers wrote: On 04/09/2012 09:42 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote: Humm, Andreas That is UNFAIR! Why do you consider Tom's posts on MariaDB as Spam? There is nothing indiscriminate about his postings. He's very clear about what he is posting and why. While they could be trimmed down a bit they are applicable as an alternative to a great number of LibreOffice users using an external DBMS. If you don't find his contributions applicable to your situation--don't read them. But, they're not SPAM! Grow up! Stuart -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Base-Fw-MariaDB-Announce-MariaDB-5-3-6-now-available-tp3896535p3898493.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Well said, Stuart! -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Mac OS X 10.7.3 - Java
Sorry, but I am just not clear on what the issue is, but you probably DO want to stick with using OSX software update to keep Apple released java current. There is an OSX java app in utilities folder that provides details of java installation. On Mar 21, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) No-Op it is always possible to forwards a post back to the list, as i have just done. It breaks it into a new thread. It's not something you could be expected to know so i hope i have been able to help you there :) Can anyone help with the Robson's question? Is it soemthign to do with LibreOffice - Preferences - Java Does that show at least one version of java installed on the Mac? If there isn't a version of java installed then perhaps install one from http://www.java.com Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 21/3/12, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mac OS X 10.7.3 - Java [was: handling of quotes before text in Calc 3.4 and 3.5 changed compare] To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 21 March, 2012, 22:08 On 03/21/2012 12:33 PM, Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto wrote: Hi, on LibreOffice 3.5.1.2 aren't showing and running any macro write in java. The step to reproduce is: Tools - Macros - Run Macro LibreOffice Macros - MemoryUsage Don't show the macro /Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/share/Scripts/java/MemoryUsage Know somebody how to fix it? thanks Don't know. What has this to do with the original subject ( handling of quotes before text in Calc 3.4 and 3.5 changed compare) of the thread that you hijacked? Please start a new thread/email rather than simply changing the subject of some other thread. Thanks. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Mac OS X 10.7.3 - Java
But. Java was not included in Lion I think, so if you do not see a java version then you just need to download it. On Mar 21, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) No-Op it is always possible to forwards a post back to the list, as i have just done. It breaks it into a new thread. It's not something you could be expected to know so i hope i have been able to help you there :) Can anyone help with the Robson's question? Is it soemthign to do with LibreOffice - Preferences - Java Does that show at least one version of java installed on the Mac? If there isn't a version of java installed then perhaps install one from http://www.java.com Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 21/3/12, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Mac OS X 10.7.3 - Java [was: handling of quotes before text in Calc 3.4 and 3.5 changed compare] To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 21 March, 2012, 22:08 On 03/21/2012 12:33 PM, Robson Roberto Souza Peixoto wrote: Hi, on LibreOffice 3.5.1.2 aren't showing and running any macro write in java. The step to reproduce is: Tools - Macros - Run Macro LibreOffice Macros - MemoryUsage Don't show the macro /Applications/LibreOffice.app/Contents/share/Scripts/java/MemoryUsage Know somebody how to fix it? thanks Don't know. What has this to do with the original subject ( handling of quotes before text in Calc 3.4 and 3.5 changed compare) of the thread that you hijacked? Please start a new thread/email rather than simply changing the subject of some other thread. Thanks. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Mac OS X 10.7.3 - Java
For java for lion http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1421 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] OT- too many emails- how do I stop them?
Try adding a tag to your subject line and then use your mail client filters to put from the list in the trash save for those with your tag in the subject line. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting
Frankly listservs make very poor knowledge bases for the obvious reasons, hence the efforts by some in other communities to distill the problem/resolution couplet into dynamic online docs where a user will find current comprehensive succinct and useful information. On Feb 25, 2012, at 3:29 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I think that is fair enough. The 2 worst case scenarios i can see as a result are 1. A questionner gets 2 almost identical answer or the same advice given in 2 different ways. 2. A questionner gets 2 completely different answers going in different directions Both are actually quite positive. In 2 the questionner gets to pick and choose which answer they like or they get to try both ways. In 1 the questionner is given greater confidence in the answer and maybe has a greater understanding of how to deal with side-issues. Both cases occur anyway and that is part of the advantage of having a public list. No-one can get along well with everyone all the time. If we all did then there would be substantial less great and inspiring art, literature, innovations and all the rest. So, i think it is all good. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 25/2/12, Caesar cae...@hiwaay.net wrote: From: Caesar cae...@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 25 February, 2012, 11:30 On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:24:58 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting: On 02/23/2012 04:18 AM, Caesar wrote: On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 23:38:59 -0500, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting: On 02/22/2012 03:10 PM, T. R. Valentine wrote: On 22 February 2012 13:56, Larry Gusaaslarry.gus...@gmail.com wrote: I avoid the aggravation by having posts from Tom Davies automatically deleted. Now that is cold... Cold but effective. Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant. What I meant was it feels mean to say that someone values a person's contributions so little that they have an automatic deletion filter on all of their contributions. Especially when it is someone that produces so much good for the LO community (say in the area of free documentation). If a poster insists that he be able to post in a manner that I find confusing and offensive, then I'm not interested in reading anything he is writting. I find it very effective in making this mailing list readable. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting
Actually, I was referring to the guidelines as originally stated. The guidelines have apparently been changed twice: once to add something about top posting and once to add a reference to the same source cited by the article generally. I was not engaged in any falsehood; I just don't check guidelines weekly And it sounds like you have a personal problem :-) On Feb 23, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: At 06:40 23/02/2012 -0900, Marc Grober wrote: Notice that I am top posting as suggested by the guidelines ... I don't get involved in these disputes, mainly because they are characterised by intransigence and _ad hominem_ arguments - and I won't do so now. But you simply cannot expect to argue based on a falsehood! When you wrote this, the guidelines (at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette ) did not suggest top posting, but rather anything but: ... please do interspersion with trimming [...]. For a simple reply, this is equivalent to bottom-posting. So, remove extraneous material, and place your comments in logical order, after the text you are commenting upon. But since then someone has changed this to remove any sort of guidance at all. Perhaps you made the change?! Or perhaps the original culprit did? It's a fun system - isn't it? - when those who are directed to guidelines and find they don't like them simply change them! Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting
Stefano, I have been using listservs for more than 40 years and this is the only list I have ever been on where some 10% of the traffic is this thrashing over top posting. Yes, I regularly trim or intersperse comment, but when necessary in my opinion, or warranted, a portion of my comment may be top posted for the reasons set forth at all the usual sites, a practice That Is Not contrary to bottom posting Moreover, I DO often get frustrated and find my self typing RTFM, bit that is with respect to substantive matters. This discussion is not substantive. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top posting
It would appear that true professionals should, as I think Tom has suggested, consider the actual guidelines as opposed to pontificating upon them as if they were running a gulag Hail and farewell On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:35 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2012-02-22 8:53 PM, Marc Grober m...@interak.com wrote: So what is the polite way to tell someone that one is going to continue top posting as one may feel appropriate as one may have done as an IT professional for the past 40 years and that if that upsets them they should seek professional assistance? A true IT Professional respects rules/guidelines established by the support mediums they frequent - anything else is pure and simple arrogance and disrespect. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting
One reason I am not more involved in this community is the incessant whining from the juveniles. Notice that I am top posting as suggested by the guidelines as my comment would not be really benefitted by a long scroll down a thread of shame, lol Chin up, Tom, and hope that some may find Apache a snugger fit ;-) I rarely take much notice of those focused on puffing themselves up; lack of O2 usually brings them to their senses. On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2012-02-22 2:19 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Most people and especially those that are new to the lists will top-post because that is what they are most familiar with. Yeah yeah yeah, we've heard it all from you before Tom - you persist in your delusions in order to excuse your arrogant laziness and disrespect. My comment wasn't aimed at 'those new to the list', my comment was aimed at a *veteran* of the lists - YOU. Office workers have almost never seen any alternative. Unless the office apps are not aimed at office users then it's ridiculous to expect anythingelse. Oh, so once someone learns one way, they are forever doomed to never learn another? You continue to disrespect everyone here by such ludicrous suggestions. Is it good to start off by telling people off for not doing things your way when we are supposed to be offering them choices? I didn't tell anyone *new* off, Tom, I simply asked YOU to STOP BREAKING INLINE POSTED THREADS. I'm DONE with you Tom... you are now officially and forever PLONKED, never to have one of your brain-dead, disrespectful emails to grace my Inbox again. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
