[libreoffice-users] general feature discussions - LibreOffice Impress - notefield in sidebar
Dear Sir or Madam, It would be a relief in Impress to have the possibility to call the note view during the normal view as well. Switching back and forth across the view tab disrupts the workflow. I guess it would be possible to implement another function/icon in the right sidebar and add the note field there. Best regards Florian Reich -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] Logging feature of the Postgres SDBC driver
Hello, Ubuntu 18.04 LibreOffice 6.1.3.2 (x64) Base In http://www.openoffice.org/dba/drivers/postgresql/ a logging feature of the Postgres SDBC driver is mentioned. I would like to use it. When I change the loglevel in /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/postgresql-sdbc.ini to "INFO", no logfile is written. From https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/connectivity/source/drivers/postgresql/pq_connection.cxx#readLogLevelFromConfiguration I guesss that error messages would be written to stderr. When I start a file doing some database access with /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/.odb 1> out.txt 2> err.txt only empty output files get created, but nothing gets written to them. I would expect to see "Couldn't open sdbc-pqsql.log file" (or whatever) in err.txt. What am I doing wrong? How can I use the logging feature of the Postgres SDBC driver? Thanks! Markus Angst -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing Feature
Unfortunately, that checking or unchecking that box setting has no effect whatsoever. Maybe a bug has been introduced in 5.4.2. Can anyone else confirm this behavior? Blessings, Joe On 10/09/2017 01:06 PM, Remy Gauthier wrote: Hi, In my version (5..3.6.1), this feature is enabled from: Tools -> Options -> LibreOffice Calc -> View then activate "Show references in color". I hope this helps. Rémy Gauthier. Le lundi 09 octobre 2017 à 12:13 -0700, Joe Conner a écrit : I just upgraded to LibreOffice Version: 5.4.2.2 on my Ubuntu 17.04 64bit computer. Now I discover that no longer have a feature that I have long found useful. Formerly in Calc when I had a formula calculating from a series of cells when I place the cursor in the entry box just under the tool bars Calc would place a box around the cells making for quick identification of those cells. Now, I have lost that feature. I know that I can use Tools - Detective - Trace Precedents to work around but it is not nearly as quick and easy. Did I inadvertently change a toggle or something to turn off the feature? I would like to get it to behave as formerly. -- A smile - is a sign of joy. A hug - is a sign of love. A laugh - is a sign of happiness. And a friend like me?? that's just a sign of good taste!! Blessings, Joe Conner Joshua 24:15 "...as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." -- A smile - is a sign of joy. A hug - is a sign of love. A laugh - is a sign of happiness. And a friend like me?? ...that's just a sign of good taste!! Blessings, Joe Conner Joshua 24:15 "...as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing Feature
Hi, In my version (5.3.6.1), this feature is enabled from: Tools -> Options -> LibreOffice Calc -> View then activate "Show references in color". I hope this helps. Rémy Gauthier. Le lundi 09 octobre 2017 à 12:13 -0700, Joe Conner a écrit : > I just upgraded to LibreOffice Version: 5.4.2.2 on my Ubuntu 17.04 64bit > computer. Now I discover that no longer have a feature that I have long > found useful. > > Formerly in Calc when I had a formula calculating from a series of cells > when I place the cursor in the entry box just under the tool bars Calc > would place a box around the cells making for quick identification of > those cells. > > Now, I have lost that feature. I know that I can use Tools - Detective - > Trace Precedents to work around but it is not nearly as quick and easy. > > Did I inadvertently change a toggle or something to turn off the > feature? I would like to get it to behave as formerly. > > -- > > A smile - is a sign of joy. > A hug - is a sign of love. > A laugh - is a sign of happiness. > And a friend like me?? > ...that's just a sign of good taste!! > > Blessings, Joe Conner > Joshua 24:15 "...as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Missing Feature
I just upgraded to LibreOffice Version: 5.4.2.2 on my Ubuntu 17.04 64bit computer. Now I discover that no longer have a feature that I have long found useful. Formerly in Calc when I had a formula calculating from a series of cells when I place the cursor in the entry box just under the tool bars Calc would place a box around the cells making for quick identification of those cells. Now, I have lost that feature. I know that I can use Tools - Detective - Trace Precedents to work around but it is not nearly as quick and easy. Did I inadvertently change a toggle or something to turn off the feature? I would like to get it to behave as formerly. -- A smile - is a sign of joy. A hug - is a sign of love. A laugh - is a sign of happiness. And a friend like me?? ...that's just a sign of good taste!! Blessings, Joe Conner Joshua 24:15 "...as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST -- for the Sort options in Calc
Am 26.03.2015 um 01:57 schrieb Richard VINCK: For logical and safety reasons, and for compatibility with Microsoft Excel, I suggest that: * The Sort Option Range contains column labels be_unticked by default_. * Allow the sort options to be customized (optional). It is good that LibreOffice has this option, but a beginner don't know that option and will sort what he/she has selected, and it is frustrating to see that the first column is not sorted at all, thinking it's a bug (like I did). Thank you! Cheers If the first row of a sort range consists of text (no numbers, no blanks), the first row is supposed to be the header row. If all your data are text, do yourself a favour and add column headers. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing feature at LibreOffice Writer.
Hello Regina, Thanks for your answer, i really thought that the feature was missing in LOWriter. Actually i do have enabled the Font Color button, but when I'm working with a T Text Dialog, it disappears (LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 for Debian). And for some reason i didn't find the solution (A) which works pretty good! Kind regards, Rafael Senties Martinelli. Hi Rafael, Rafael Senties Martinelli schrieb: Hi, I'm writing this because there is a *missing feature on LibreOffice Writer (4.3.2.2) *. I wanted to post online on ask.libreofice but i do not have any of the proposed accounts. (most of them are non-libre software related..) *The missing feature:* When creating text dialogs with the T (text) Button, it is not possible to change the font color. Why not? I have no problems with changing the font color. I know three ways: (A) Mark the word, click on the Character icon in the toolbar, switch to tab Font effects and select your color from the drop-down list Font color. Instead of the icon you can use Format Character or context menu item Character as well. (B) Enable the icon command Font Color: Right click the toolbar Visible icons Click on text Font Color. Use the icon as usual. (c) Open the side bar in pane Properties. Mark the text and use the Font Color drop-down list from the side bar. I was surprised because in libreoffice impress it is possible to change the color. So a simple hack is to copy paste the text dialog from impress to writer. The text can be modified and the color will remain. Anyways, the option is missing on libreoffice writer. There are indeed some options missing in Writer which are available in Draw and Impress, for example formatting by using styles. But Font Color is no problem. Kind regards Regina -- https://www.debian.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Missing feature at LibreOffice Writer.
Hi, I'm writing this because there is a *missing feature on LibreOffice Writer (4.3.2.2) *. I wanted to post online on ask.libreofice but i do not have any of the proposed accounts. (most of them are non-libre software related..) *The missing feature:* When creating text dialogs with the T (text) Button, it is not possible to change the font color. I was surprised because in libreoffice impress it is possible to change the color. So a simple hack is to copy paste the text dialog from impress to writer. The text can be modified and the color will remain. Anyways, the option is missing on libreoffice writer. This email may not be addressed to the good mailing list, if it is that the case, please transfer my message! It would be highly appreciated! Happy hacking ;} https://www.debian.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing feature at LibreOffice Writer.
Hi :) It seems to be missing in LO 3.5.7 on Ubuntu 12.04 too. Regards from Tom :) On 20 October 2014 17:22, Rafael Senties Martinelli r...@imap.cc wrote: Hi, I'm writing this because there is a *missing feature on LibreOffice Writer (4.3.2.2) *. I wanted to post online on ask.libreofice but i do not have any of the proposed accounts. (most of them are non-libre software related..) *The missing feature:* When creating text dialogs with the T (text) Button, it is not possible to change the font color. I was surprised because in libreoffice impress it is possible to change the color. So a simple hack is to copy paste the text dialog from impress to writer. The text can be modified and the color will remain. Anyways, the option is missing on libreoffice writer. This email may not be addressed to the good mailing list, if it is that the case, please transfer my message! It would be highly appreciated! Happy hacking ;} https://www.debian.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing feature at LibreOffice Writer.
Hi Rafael, Rafael Senties Martinelli schrieb: Hi, I'm writing this because there is a *missing feature on LibreOffice Writer (4.3.2.2) *. I wanted to post online on ask.libreofice but i do not have any of the proposed accounts. (most of them are non-libre software related..) *The missing feature:* When creating text dialogs with the T (text) Button, it is not possible to change the font color. Why not? I have no problems with changing the font color. I know three ways: (A) Mark the word, click on the Character icon in the toolbar, switch to tab Font effects and select your color from the drop-down list Font color. Instead of the icon you can use Format Character or context menu item Character as well. (B) Enable the icon command Font Color: Right click the toolbar Visible icons Click on text Font Color. Use the icon as usual. (c) Open the side bar in pane Properties. Mark the text and use the Font Color drop-down list from the side bar. I was surprised because in libreoffice impress it is possible to change the color. So a simple hack is to copy paste the text dialog from impress to writer. The text can be modified and the color will remain. Anyways, the option is missing on libreoffice writer. There are indeed some options missing in Writer which are available in Draw and Impress, for example formatting by using styles. But Font Color is no problem. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Missing feature at LibreOffice Writer.
Hi :) Ahh, i only noticed that the usual icons vanished from the icon-tool-bar. I haven't tried Regina's suggestions yet but i'm fairly sure they will work. Regards from Tom :) On 20 October 2014 18:58, Regina Henschel rb.hensc...@t-online.de wrote: Hi Rafael, Rafael Senties Martinelli schrieb: Hi, I'm writing this because there is a *missing feature on LibreOffice Writer (4.3.2.2) *. I wanted to post online on ask.libreofice but i do not have any of the proposed accounts. (most of them are non-libre software related..) *The missing feature:* When creating text dialogs with the T (text) Button, it is not possible to change the font color. Why not? I have no problems with changing the font color. I know three ways: (A) Mark the word, click on the Character icon in the toolbar, switch to tab Font effects and select your color from the drop-down list Font color. Instead of the icon you can use Format Character or context menu item Character as well. (B) Enable the icon command Font Color: Right click the toolbar Visible icons Click on text Font Color. Use the icon as usual. (c) Open the side bar in pane Properties. Mark the text and use the Font Color drop-down list from the side bar. I was surprised because in libreoffice impress it is possible to change the color. So a simple hack is to copy paste the text dialog from impress to writer. The text can be modified and the color will remain. Anyways, the option is missing on libreoffice writer. There are indeed some options missing in Writer which are available in Draw and Impress, for example formatting by using styles. But Font Color is no problem. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request for Calc - input forms and reports
For input forms, you could try this: http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/dataform http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/dataform - Ubuntu 14.04 64bit : LibreOffice: 4.2.6.2, 4.3.1.1 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-for-Calc-input-forms-and-reports-tp4119629p4119709.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request for Calc - input forms and reports
Fantastic extension. Thank you for sharing the information! This is extremely useful for providing a quick interface for data input for new spreadsheet/computer users! Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-for-Calc-input-forms-and-reports-tp4119629p4119724.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request for Calc - input forms and reports
Hi :) +1 it was good to hear about it! Thanks for researching that Richard! :) Obviously it's not the first time someone has needed that sort of thing! I really like LibreOffice for the way it's so relatively easy to create add-ons/plugins/Extensions. I really like it when people release them as OpenSource (LGPL or MPL or GPL or whatever licenses) so that other people can modify or update or generally maintain them in the future. I think it makes it easier to incorporate them into main branch too, if that ever seems like a good plan. Regards from Tom :) On 21 August 2014 11:14, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Fantastic extension. Thank you for sharing the information! This is extremely useful for providing a quick interface for data input for new spreadsheet/computer users! Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-for-Calc-input-forms-and-reports-tp4119629p4119724.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request for Calc - input forms and reports
If I am not wrong this extension was incorporated in calc, being accessible in Menu/Data/Form. Miguel Ángel. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-for-Calc-input-forms-and-reports-tp4119629p4119780.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request for Calc - input forms and reports
m.a.riosv wrote If I am not wrong this extension was incorporated in calc, being accessible in Menu/Data/Form. Actually you are correct. It has been included in LibreOffice since branch 3.3 (i.e. since the beginning of LibreOffice). I guess I had never noticed it (but I'm glad I found it thanks to this thread/topic). I had to install the extension because my default ODF based Office suite does not include it ;) Kind regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-for-Calc-input-forms-and-reports-tp4119629p4119789.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request for Calc - input forms and reports
The problems with the built-in data input form are that it is slow, and won't work with large spreadsheets (won't display all of the columns). Thus, a better input data form is needed. A custom user-created form is the best idea. Dave, On Thu, Aug 21, 2014, at 03:39 PM, m.a.riosv wrote: If I am not wrong this extension was incorporated in calc, being accessible in Menu/Data/Form. Miguel Ángel. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-for-Calc-input-forms-and-reports-tp4119629p4119780.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- dave boland dbola...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
On 2013-11-29 14:38, Peter West wrote: I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. The problem is that _some_ formatting seems to get stuck. This is either an implementation bug or, for some obscure reason, a design decision; which makes it a design bug. Named styles are exclusive. Even though a style is _based_ on another style, recursively, applying a named style overrides the previous named style, whether the old style is an ancestor of the new style, or a completely different beast. That should be that as far as applying named styles goes. All that should be left is any style fragments that one has applied from the toolbar: bold, italic, etc; left, centered, etc; a particular font and so on. That may include bits of format applied through a formatparagraph or formatcharacter menu, _provided_ that all of this formatting is removed by the 'Clear direct formatting' operation. _Everything_ else must be reset to the values defined (or defaulted) in the applied style. This should not be a problem. If you like the look of some styling, create a new named style from the selection. Then extend and modify as required. That's what styles are all about. The other thing is to clearly display the interaction of paragraph and list styles. The style name display should have the capacity to display ALL the named styles that are in play, and there should be a display option, similar to the 'Display special characters' button, to toggle 'Show direct formatting.' It all boils down to being able to determine the source of any formatting, and being able, easily, to reset all formatting to a named style or set of complementary style types; paragraph, character, list. And yes, your discussion does help. Peter West Yes, this discussion makes sense to me also, I would also like to be able to see the style outline and be able to see and swap styles from the outline view rather than click in every paragraph to see what style is applied. Although I can't think of one, there must be some inherent reason LO works like this, possibly so it can accommodate the jumble of non-styled documents from competing product imports. Steve ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 29 Nov 2013, at 4:44 am, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: I still don't understand why you consider any of this a difficulty. If you have a mixture of direct formatting along with character and paragraph styles, you may well wish to remove some parts of it, but not all. So it's useful to have more than one facility. Surely you would expect to need to remove the different parts of applied formatting separately - and delight that you were able to do so selectively. As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect Clear formatting there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. The problem is that _some_ formatting seems to get stuck. This is either an implementation bug or, for some obscure reason, a design decision; which makes it a design bug. Named styles are exclusive. Even though a style is _based_ on another style, recursively, applying a named style overrides the previous named style, whether the old style is an ancestor of the new style, or a completely different beast. That should be that as far as applying named styles goes. All that should be left is any style fragments that one has applied from the toolbar: bold, italic, etc; left, centered, etc; a particular font and so on. That may include bits of format applied through a formatparagraph or formatcharacter menu, _provided_ that all of this formatting is removed by the 'Clear direct formatting' operation. _Everything_ else must be reset to the values defined (or defaulted) in the applied style. This should not be a problem. If you like the look of some styling, create a new named style from the selection. Then extend and modify as required. That's what styles are all about. The other thing is to clearly display the interaction of paragraph and list styles. The style name display should have the capacity to display ALL the named styles that are in play, and there should be a display option, similar to the 'Display special characters' button, to toggle 'Show direct formatting.' It all boils down to being able to determine the source of any formatting, and being able, easily, to reset all formatting to a named style or set of complementary style types; paragraph, character, list. And yes, your discussion does help. Peter West ...he saw a poor widow put in two copper coins. On 29 Nov 2013, at 4:44 am, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote: I still don't understand why you consider any of this a difficulty. If you have a mixture of direct formatting along with character and paragraph styles, you may well wish to remove some parts of it, but not all. So it's useful to have more than one facility. Surely you would expect to need to remove the different parts of applied formatting separately - and delight that you were able to do so selectively. As far as I can see: o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles. o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect Clear formatting there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it does. But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well. I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request - Categories for special characters
Regina Henschel: I do not like the idea to remove characters or group them in another way. The Unicode groups are well defined and easy to handle. Unicode groups are non-intuitive and mostly disjointed. Characters like arrows are impossible to find there. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request - Categories for special characters
Hi Urmas, Urmas schrieb: Regina Henschel: I do not like the idea to remove characters or group them in another way. The Unicode groups are well defined and easy to handle. Unicode groups are non-intuitive and mostly disjointed. Characters like arrows are impossible to find there. The group is Arrows. I see no difficulty to find that group. If you know the group name, you need not to scroll. When the field subset has the focus, type A r r and you are there. I'm sure, you will know the group names of those characters you need, very quickly. For me it is General punctuation and Mathematical Operators. For me the group names describe well, which characters are contained in that group. You only need to know, that the characters which are in ISO-8859-1, are in group Basic Latin and Latin 1. So a few characters, for example ² or ×, are not in the group to which they would belong according their meaning. If you really need a quick access to a fixed set of special characters, then make your own toolbar or menu. If you need some help, how to do it, I can sent you a template with some French characters in a toolbar, which are inserted using a macro. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request - Categories for special characters
Try the program babelmap from www.babelstone.co.uk/software/babelmap.html With this program you can view all the unicode planes that a font has and can use virtual fonts that are a mixture of several fonts. A companion of this program is BabelPad, which allow you to write in any unicode script. These are specialized programs freely available. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
Hi, Tony, I understand that you're getting great value from the navigator in LO. There are features, however, in Word that are hard to live without for me in what I do all the time. As I described in my original post, I currently drag and drop paragraphs which do not have headers, and I don't like the idea of having to put a header on every paragraph I want to use the process for. In addition, I can use a single click of the button to disappear all but the first line of the text, which can be very long on a wide screen computer with no word wrap. To accomplish the efficiencies of this way of organizing with LO takes much longer and more key strokes and mouse clicks. Someone else made a suggestion that was different than yours, and since I had just used my method, I was able to give an exact comparison between his method and mine. I don't have a similarly short project to do the same with your method, but his method would have taken around 450 mouse clicks to accomplish what I did with 63 clicks and much less time. I apologize if this is comparing apples with oranges, but I also do understand that I'm comparing fruit with fruit, and there is some validity to doing so. No one has suggested anything that comes close to my methods of work. Someone suggested Scrivener, and when I was checking out the site, I discovered their Scapple mind-mapping software, which was so much better than anything that I've tried so far that I immediately got distracted, bought it, and have been using it for a massive project I'm now very focused on. But I never got around to actually checking out Scrivener, so I have no comment on it, other than I'm predisposed to liking their software now. At the moment, I'm mostly overwhelmed with my current massive project, working late into the night, every single night, and I'm not giving much attention to this discussion any more. Even romance has trouble breaking through my focus, right now--and believe me, romance has an upper hand in any battle between her and this discussion. Thanks for your suggestion. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564p4078951.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
As a technical writer I understand the need for an Outliner. Well LibreOffice has Outliner built in!!! If you use styles on your paragraphs and then use the Navigator (F5) you can move headings up and down. You can move the heading and all the text below the heading or just the heading. So just create headings of different levels. Works just like I remember Word 2003 working. Haven't used Word since 2003 so am not sure if the outliner features have changed. Try the LibreOffice Navigator and you will be surprised at what can be done. Hope this helps Tony -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564p4078946.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
As I stated earlier in the thread, I have a working solution, right now, but I would prefer to stop using M$ for ideological reasons. I'm not looking for a work around, but a replacement. That's why I created this thread and that's why I also filed a feature request in Bugzilla for the same thing. And by the way, this single issue also is a deal breaker for using Linux, so this one issue influences everything. I had a Linux partition on my last computer, but I found that I had to duplicate resources by having them on both partitions. When I ran out of space and had to replace the partition, I resented Linux, because I was only using it for ideological reasons, and I could not leave Windows behind until I had a fully functioning Office suite, with an integrated outliner. So in reality, the lack of outliner functionality is a deal breaker for me for everything, including whether or not I use Linux. On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4077851...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Le 11/10/2013 00:09, CougarB a écrit : When I was a full-time journalist in the 1980s, I became very successful using a dedicated outliner called PCOutline. When all the major Word Processers came along--MS Word, Word Perfect, etc, the lack of outliner functionality kept me with my archaic outliner until MS Word beat the functionality of PCOutline. As a partial workaround, did you try the menu File Send Create AutoAbstract... ? Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4077851i=0 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564p4077851.html To unsubscribe from Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me, click herehttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4077564code=Y291Z2FyLmJAZ21haWwuY29tfDQwNzc1NjR8LTExODk2NjEyNzI= . NAMLhttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564p4077878.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
On 13/10/2013, CougarB couga...@gmail.com wrote: I took a look at Leo, Jedit, and OPML, and frankly, none of them are as convenient as M$ Word. I'm using Word as both a word processor and an outliner, and it's extremely convenient to be working on a document as an outline, then move over to a word processing mode without losing the outline structure, and work with formatting and other elements that are convenient in that view, and then move back to outlining without losing my formatting and other tools that are available in Word. When I'm writing in outline format, I even want to just experience my novel as it will be read on the page, and then go back to using the outliner. Without using m$, it would seem that the outliner feature may be one reason for document instability; how does moving of nodes cope with internal cross-references and bibliographic references for example? How stable is outliner functionality with images? The options to proceed: Change your behaviour and adapt to use LO writer styles Carry out benefit-cost analysis of you using m$ compared to learning programming to implement outline behaviour in LO, perhaps as an LO extension. In this case you should contact the LO programmers and others for further help to build such an extension. Use a text editor, then import to LO writer and apply styles accordingly (could use find replace function) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
On 13/10/2013, CougarB couga...@gmail.com wrote: I just got an email from someone who took notes at the same meeting as me. However, she brainstormed an entirely new direction, which was our agreement. Combining the two emails and breaking up every paragraph into separate points yielded 35 paragraphs of between 1 and 4 lines, totaling 78 lines, which is too much to display on a single page, especially with spaces between paragraphs. However with Word, with one click, I collapsed all the paragraphs into single lines--which is like code folding. As suggested by someone, freemind can achieve nice node collapse/expansion -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
Hi :) I often make the GnuLinux partitions quite small and keep the majority of my files on the Windows side. Ironically my network file-shares are all on Debian so i kinda go from my GnuLinux system into the Windows side to hunt around and then use links from there into the Debian. (Unless i knew it was on the server right from the start and was able to dodge hunting through Windows folders. As we have probably said many times before on this list there is often 1 or 2 things that you don't know how to do on the newer system and that often means going back to Windows to do those 1 or 2 things. As you become more familiar the number of things you have to go back for drops quite a bit but it does usually leave 1 or 2 things that linger on for ages after. Obviously when you first start it's all new to you so you probably spend most time in Windows and only occasionally bounce over to the other but one day you find you have tipped the other way. For me it was when i found Wesnoth and the same weekend my neighbour fixed multimedia. Nowadays multimedia seems to work straight out of the box and 0AD looks better. Generally if i have to use Windows it's an older version of Windows or older software. I don't really need to keep things so up-to-date anymore. At the moment it is hilarious to watch people 'having to' shell out loads of money to replace their 'old' versions of MSO 2010 which are now out-dated compared to what people are buying on newer home machines. One chap has bought 3 different versions of MS Office within the last year and still has problems with people not being able to open his files because they are on a different version. Incidentally i am sorry we couldn't find a suitable replacement but i'm glad to hear you have at least found a work-around. It sounds like you are nearing your tipping point. Regards from Tom :) On Sunday, 13 October 2013, 15:14, CougarB couga...@gmail.com wrote: As I stated earlier in the thread, I have a working solution, right now, but I would prefer to stop using M$ for ideological reasons. I'm not looking for a work around, but a replacement. That's why I created this thread and that's why I also filed a feature request in Bugzilla for the same thing. And by the way, this single issue also is a deal breaker for using Linux, so this one issue influences everything. I had a Linux partition on my last computer, but I found that I had to duplicate resources by having them on both partitions. When I ran out of space and had to replace the partition, I resented Linux, because I was only using it for ideological reasons, and I could not leave Windows behind until I had a fully functioning Office suite, with an integrated outliner. So in reality, the lack of outliner functionality is a deal breaker for me for everything, including whether or not I use Linux. On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4077851...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Le 11/10/2013 00:09, CougarB a écrit : When I was a full-time journalist in the 1980s, I became very successful using a dedicated outliner called PCOutline. When all the major Word Processers came along--MS Word, Word Perfect, etc, the lack of outliner functionality kept me with my archaic outliner until MS Word beat the functionality of PCOutline. As a partial workaround, did you try the menu File Send Create AutoAbstract... ? Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4077851i=0 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564p4077851.html To unsubscribe from Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me, click herehttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4077564code=Y291Z2FyLmJAZ21haWwuY29tfDQwNzc1NjR8LTExODk2NjEyNzI= . NAMLhttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context:
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
None of the work-arounds have the value of going back and forth constantly between outliner and word processor functions. It's not costing me tonnes of money--when I had to buy a new computer, since it had to be Windows because of the fact that nothing yet replaces Word, that's what I bought. Then I installed all my old software on it. My Adobe is out of date, so I used other stuff. My M$ Office 2003 works just fine, so I don't have to replace any software for my new computer. The Linux partition was the only reason I had to buy another computer at that time, but I would have run out of space sooner or later, anyway, so rather than eliminate the Linux computer, I just bought another one. But I only use Windows today for one reason--the outliner in Word. Nothing else is essential. And none of the workarounds suggested hold a candle to what I need. Maybe Scrivener, which has enough features that I like that I can see potentially using that as my means of dumping Windows. I have some PHP code that I haven't uploaded yet on the Linux partition of the old computer, so I had to keep that computer partition so that I wouldn't lose my work, mainly because I'm too lazy to deal with a low priority upload at this moment. My current IDE is ShiftEdit which runs on any OS, because I'm not going to let myself get trapped in one OS or the other until I'm ready to dump Windows all together, which depends on finding a full-featured word processor that allows seamless switching back and forth between outliner and print/normal modes. Literally everything about that switch depends on finding a Linux office suite that does everything I want regarding the outliner. Otherwise, I'm stuck with Windows forever. My new laptop has a 17-inch screen, which is better for the kind of work I'm constantly doing, but I'm annoyed at Windows 8, and it just makes me wish with more desire for LO to actually be able to replace what I do now. I do have one small fear, which is probably groundless. I have a document in Word which is almost 1.5 million words long, and which has around 15,000 cross references. In an early version of OO, I couldn't pull in an earlier version of this document without breaking OO. I'm a little nervous about my doc in LO, but I haven't tried it, and since what I have isn't broken, I'm not taking a whole lot of time to investigate. In addition, I've taken most of the cross references and imported them into the PHP and database, which is the ultimate destination of the entire 1.5 million-word project, thereby producing a prototype with 720 dynamic pages on the web. (This prototype only contains a small portion of the 1.5 million words, but it covers the entire set of cross-references.) So theoretically, the need to maintain all of those cross-references in a doc is no longer so important. This is a project I dreamed up when computers weighed twenty tonnes and ate punch cards, and when hypertext hadn't been invented yet. I've been collecting/inventing/writing the content ever since. I'm now actualizing it exactly as dreamed, including the UI. Where the hell did that dream come from, eh? Cougar PS. And by the way, I had the entire project visualized as some sort of open-source back in 1976, which is interesting, given that open-source was a rare concept back then. I don't yet have enough of the infrastructure built, yet, to begin to actualize that part of the vision, but then, I've at least started with the basic plugins that will form the infrastructure for opening up the content to allow multiple authors, and I've got plans. I'm used to thinking long-term. I'm a beginner in both PHP and JavaScript programming, so it will take a while. But then 1.5 million words already took a while. It'll take the time it takes. Working without a fully integrated outliner/word processor would slow me down. On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:42 AM, nabbler [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n407789...@n3.nabble.com wrote: On 13/10/2013, CougarB [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4077898i=0 wrote: I just got an email from someone who took notes at the same meeting as me. However, she brainstormed an entirely new direction, which was our agreement. Combining the two emails and breaking up every paragraph into separate points yielded 35 paragraphs of between 1 and 4 lines, totaling 78 lines, which is too much to display on a single page, especially with spaces between paragraphs. However with Word, with one click, I collapsed all the paragraphs into single lines--which is like code folding. As suggested by someone, freemind can achieve nice node collapse/expansion -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4077898i=1 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
I'm grateful for the feedback, and I will definitely post this to the Bugzilla system. However, the Bugzilla system contains a warning about spam being generated from it, since addresses are revealed in the open. For this reason, I've been engaging in creating a spam-only email address, and I'm not quite finished with the process. I've been busy and haven't had time to respond to the other comments or to try out opml yet. When I submit this as a bug, I'll include some of the comments as an addendum. Not all of the comments would be relevant in a feature request, but some might be. On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:42 AM, krackedpress [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4077647...@n3.nabble.com wrote: I Know that the DEVs do not have much time to read these posts, but I hoped that some poeple on this list might know enough about the Macros to know if it was possible. Since I am not on the DEVs list, maybe someone can forward the original posting to their list I did not know a feature request was to go onto the BUGS tracking system. I thought it was just for posting bugs that crop up in a version. On 10/10/2013 07:20 PM, Joel Madero wrote: Just a friendly reminder that devs rarely track this mailing list. If you have a feature request it belongs on our bug tracker (bugs.freedesktop.org) else it will never get implemented. Best, Joel On 10/10/2013 03:50 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I am not a Macro person, but I wonder how much of this can be done with Macros. I know one book writer that does a great deal of his work through macros he created over the years. He could not find any word processor package that did what he wanted so he learned to write macros. First with Star Office, then OOo, and now using LO on his Linux system. I do not remember all of the things he wrote about in his author's notes before he got into his e-newsletter, but one time he did talk about all of the things he needed to be done and went out to find a package that could do it through the macros. The last author's notes was about getting OOo running on a new Linux system. That was when it was in the late 1.x stage or early 2.x one. Just about 2 years ago, I found out he switched to LO. He no longer writes/co-writes 4 to 6 books a year, but he still does a few, now that he is in his late 70's. So Those who are really good at writing Macros, how much of the info below can be taken care of through some type of macros? On 10/10/2013 06:09 PM, CougarB wrote: When I was a full-time journalist in the 1980s, I became very successful using a dedicated outliner called PCOutline. When all the major Word Processers came along--MS Word, Word Perfect, etc, the lack of outliner functionality kept me with my archaic outliner until MS Word beat the functionality of PCOutline. I used outlining as my main method of work when a full-time technical writer in the 90s (e.g., Fujitsu Software in San Jose). While working for a java house, I was so influenced by the negative developer reactions to MS, that I've been wishing to move to OpenOffice or LibraOffice ever since they came along. But you don't have the functionality that I need, and furthermore, the discussions of outlining on this forum seem to miss the whole point, from my point of view. I'm a very motivated wannabe LibraOffice user who currently can't make the switch, because although I'm retired and writing fiction, the power of an outliner for writing in all genres is something I can't live without. So my reasons are complex--sorry about that--but tl:dr will not allow you to understand them. Please take the time. I really want to quit Microsoft Office forever and ever and ever. Thanx. The first functionality I need might seem mickey mouse, but it's the foundation for everything else. This is that in Word's outliner view, there's a button in front of every paragraph that I can drag and drop up and down. It's like cut and paste, but a lot faster. Combined with other features, it's extremely powerful. The second functionality I need is to be able to collapse things. In an article of 25 paragraphs, I can hide every line except the first line of the paragraph, thus allowing me to see the entire article of 25 paragraphs on the screen at the same time. This allows me to completely rearrange the entire article by drop and drag. For editing a single sentence or paragraph, I insert a return between sentences, phrases, and even words, drop and drag these elements into a new order, and delete the returns. Voila! A much better constructed paragraph or sentence in a snap. The third functionality is to collapse things within headers. For instance, if I've interviewed a dozen people for an article or if I've brainstormed 5 pages of random ideas for a blog or a chapter in a novel,
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
I took a look at Leo, Jedit, and OPML, and frankly, none of them are as convenient as M$ Word. I'm using Word as both a word processor and an outliner, and it's extremely convenient to be working on a document as an outline, then move over to a word processing mode without losing the outline structure, and work with formatting and other elements that are convenient in that view, and then move back to outlining without losing my formatting and other tools that are available in Word. When I'm writing in outline format, I even want to just experience my novel as it will be read on the page, and then go back to using the outliner. In Eric B's first post, he recommended OPML but stated that once the document was moved over to LO or OO, it was no longer in outline format and could no longer be manipulated as an outline. This is what I found in looking at every option that anyone here has recommended. In http://cribsheet.opml.org, there are a lot of comments by people who also want to have their outliner also act as a word processor. There's no export facility in OPML that preserves the outline structure once you cut and paste the text into your word processor, and the users include many old-time outliner users who think that OPML is the best of the options. The reason I'm currently sticking with Word is I need a tool that is both a word processor and an excellent outliner, such that I don't have to cut and paste, thereby losing the outline structure. I need to be able to constantly go back and forth between the two views--which is how Word handles it--as two views. That's why I am not willing to give up my current use of Word. On the cripsheet page for OPML, you'll find ample evidence that I'm not alone is request this feature. On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM, nabbler [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4077811...@n3.nabble.com wrote: On 10/10/2013, CougarB [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4077811i=0 wrote: I used outlining as my main method of work when a full-time technical writer in the 90s (e.g., Fujitsu Software in San Jose). While working for a java house, I was so influenced by the negative developer reactions to MS, that I've been wishing to move to OpenOffice or LibraOffice ever since they came along. But you don't have the functionality that I need, and furthermore, the discussions of outlining on this forum seem to miss the whole point, from my point of view. There are many outliner tools out there, why use a word-processor when a text editor such as Leo or Jedit can achieve outline functionality? Alternatively, use LO writer styles and the navigator toolbar. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4077811i=1 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564p4077811.html To unsubscribe from Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me, click herehttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4077564code=Y291Z2FyLmJAZ21haWwuY29tfDQwNzc1NjR8LTExODk2NjEyNzI= . NAMLhttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-Request-Lack-of-Outliner-Functionality-a-Deal-Breaker-for-Me-tp4077564p4077815.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
Macros are not the answer. Even with the best, most focused macros, I would not be able to reduce the amount of time and the number of clicks sufficiently to equal the efficiency of the Word outliner. That's dreaming. Here's a case in point, and in the PS after my signature, I'm providing a second case. I just got an email from someone who took notes at the same meeting as me. However, she brainstormed an entirely new direction, which was our agreement. Combining the two emails and breaking up every paragraph into separate points yielded 35 paragraphs of between 1 and 4 lines, totaling 78 lines, which is too much to display on a single page, especially with spaces between paragraphs. However with Word, with one click, I collapsed all the paragraphs into single lines--which is like code folding. I created five heading buttons, which required five returns and one ctrl-arrow. (Plus typing the titles.) Then I began dragging the points up into the headers. This required one click to capture the paragraph and a mouse move and release to drop. Periodically, I had to collapse the five headers so that all of the points under each one were hidden. Doing this literally took two clicks and no scrolling. I did this three times. The first edit was done after 41 clicks (35 paragraphs + 6 clicks to collapse header sections). However, once all of the points were distributed in the five headers, I had to repeat the process with a header that had eighteen points in it. By the time I was done, I had clicked 22 more times, for a total of 63 clicks, and no delay between them. It was extremely fast and efficient, though I wasn't timing it and can't tell you how long it took. Using the native methods in LibraOffice, I would have to click three times to highlight each paragraph and then I could have sometimes dragged and dropped it. I suspect that most of the time, I would have had to right click and left click to cut it, navigate with one more click using the Navigator, click to establish an insertion point, and right click and left click to paste it, and then navigate to the raw notes with one more click. This would take 4 to 10 clicks, depending whether or not navigation was necessary or whether it could be dragged and dropped. If two thirds of the moves required navigation (420 clicks), which is reasonable for this project, the entire thing would would have required approximately 492 clicks to accomplish what I accomplished with 63 clicks. In addition, it would have taken considerably longer, since my method doesn't require any navigation at all. (If only half the moves required navigation, it would still cost me 441 clicks.) LibreOffice would quickly give me carpal tunnel syndrome, because I do this kind of work constantly. It would also literally cut my efficiency in half, and because I would be spending so much more time and energy on the mechanics, I would be tired sooner and less clear in my delivery. This is why I can't switch from Word to LibreOffice. Since I prefer to get away from M$, an integrated outliner in LO is vital to what I want. But I won't make the switch when it will hurt my health, my time, my projects, and my goals. Cougar PS. I told you in my original post that I used to take notes as a senior technical writer in developer brainstorm meetings. It was not uncommon for my shorthand notes to fill many pages, and when I typed them, a regular length brainstorming meeting probably created 500 to 700 lines of notes. With a document of that size, literally all of it would require using the Navigator to move around the different points to distribute the notes into their correct buckets. With my method, the organization of these points into categories would probably have taken at least 1000 clicks, counting the subcategorization. However, using LO would require at least 10,000 clicks (probably many more) and would extend the time required to organize the notes into something coherent by a huge amount of time. On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 9:05 PM, toki.kantoor [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4077825...@n3.nabble.com wrote: On 10/10/2013 10:50 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: I am not a Macro person, but I wonder how much of this can be done with Macros. This is where it would have been extremely useful to have access to source code for OOo extensions. Everything requested was not only doable, but done by people using OOo 2.x, and the appropriate extensions. Those extensions were, naturally enough, broken in OOo 3.x. Use Running Headers, configure Outline Numbering appropriately, and use Navigator to move the paragraphs around, will take care of the first request. I've forgotten what the name of the extension that provided the functionality described in the second and third request. :( Adroit use of Navigator almost suffices for that functionality. Navigator does have its annoyances, chief of which is collapsing when switching between different objects
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request: Lack of Outliner Functionality a Deal Breaker for Me
Am 11.10.2013 00:09, schrieb CougarB: It's like having a Super Power that's available to everyone, but no one knows how to get it. Without being a writer myself, I somehow understand your needs. What I do presently is using a mind mapping software (I use freemind[1] for that) for arranging and rearranging stuff. This works quite to my satisfaction but when finished, the whole composition has to be transferred to LibreOffice: this also works quite well but then it remains static from this point on. So if I want to re-arrange it, I have to do it again in freemind. It's a workaround. Nino [1] http://freemind.sourceforge.net -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc Feature Request: named ranges as data sources on form controls
On 08/16/2013 04:00 PM, Jim Trigg wrote: I would like to suggest that form controls (list boxes, etc.) be able to take named ranges as data sources. Currently you have to use an explicit range, so if you have a group of controls using the same source and the source changes (adding lines) you have to edit each control individually. Using a named range as the data source simplifies that immensely. Thanks, Jim Trigg This is not the correct place to put enhancement requests as virtually no devs ever look at the list. If you would like to create an enhancement request please go to our bug tracker http://bugs.freedesktop.org/ and put in the request there. Thank you, Joel QA Volunteer -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc Feature Request: named ranges as data sources on form controls
On 2013-09-03 06:05, Joel Madero wrote: On 08/16/2013 04:00 PM, Jim Trigg wrote: I would like to suggest that form controls (list boxes, etc.) be able to take named ranges as data sources. Currently you have to use an explicit range, so if you have a group of controls using the same source and the source changes (adding lines) you have to edit each control individually. Using a named range as the data source simplifies that immensely. Thanks, Jim Trigg This is not the correct place to put enhancement requests as virtually no devs ever look at the list. If you would like to create an enhancement request please go to our bug tracker http://bugs.freedesktop.org/ and put in the request there. I use drop down lists in my sheets from named ranges. I can add to the range but I have to insert the addition in the middle of the range (before the last item) by inserting a row, I cannot extend the range otherwise. steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Calc Feature Request: named ranges as data sources on form controls
I would like to suggest that form controls (list boxes, etc.) be able to take named ranges as data sources. Currently you have to use an explicit range, so if you have a group of controls using the same source and the source changes (adding lines) you have to edit each control individually. Using a named range as the data source simplifies that immensely. Thanks, Jim Trigg -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols
Hi. I´ll report it there, but Isn´t it a bug´s reporting psge? These feature doesn´t exisit. It really isn´t a bug! Thanks. *Ramón E. Tavárez B.* On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Thomas Taylor [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4069165...@n3.nabble.com wrote: On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT) RamonTavarez [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4069165i=0 wrote: Hi. It would be a good enhacement include into MATH's docking window a section for greek letters and other mathematicals symbols. Just to simplify the edition's time on academics jobs. Regards. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. +1 Tomk -- A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others. Ayn Rand ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. Tom Taylor - retired penguin - KG7CFC AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2 openSUSE 12.3-x86_64 KDE 4.10.00, FF 19.0, claws-mail 3.9.1 registered linux user 263467 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4069165i=1 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117p4069165.html To unsubscribe from Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols, click herehttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4069117code=cmFtb250YXZhcmV6QGdtYWlsLmNvbXw0MDY5MTE3fDE2MzExMjYwMDk= . NAMLhttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069185.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols
Hi :) One of the drop-downs sets the status as Feature Request so it probably does get filed slightly differently from a regular bug-report Regards from Tom :) From: RamonTavarez ramontava...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 11:06 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols Hi. I´ll report it there, but Isn´t it a bug´s reporting page? These feature don´t exist. It really isn´t a bug! Thanks. *Ramón E. Tavárez B.* On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Thomas Taylor [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4069165...@n3.nabble.com wrote: On Tue, 6 Aug 2013 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT) RamonTavarez [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4069165i=0 wrote: Hi. It would be a good enhacement include into MATH's docking window a section for greek letters and other mathematicals symbols. Just to simplify the edition's time on academics jobs. Regards. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. +1 Tomk -- A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others. Ayn Rand ^^ --... ...-- / -.- --. --... -.-. ..-. -.-. Tom Taylor - retired penguin - KG7CFC AMD Phenom II x4 955 -- 4GB RAM -- 2x1.5TB sata2 openSUSE 12.3-x86_64 KDE 4.10.00, FF 19.0, claws-mail 3.9.1 registered linux user 263467 -- If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069117p4069165.html To unsubscribe from Feature request: MATH - Include Greek letters and other symbols, click herehttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4069117code=cmFtb250YXZhcmV6QGdtYWlsLmNvbXw0MDY5MTE3fDE2MzExMjYwMDk= . NAMLhttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Feature-request-MATH-Include-Greek-letters-and-other-symbols-tp4069185.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
Virgil Arrington wrote (14-07-13 00:37) I certainly wouldn't consider that a bug; it seems to me to be the way it was deliberately designed. It is :) -- - Cor Nouws - http://nl.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
2013/7/13 Pablo Dotro pdo...@gmail.com On 11/07/13 07:50, Virgil Arrington wrote: Once you apply your style, you can clear any direct formatting by selecting the text and hitting Ctrl-M. Everything should then snap to the style-controlled formatting. Virgil I've seen a case when this not always work. If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) Well, it IS a feature. The direct formatting is *only* the direct formatting: done using the toolbar buttons, or directly by doing right click on the text and changing paragraph/characters here. Removing direct formatting will *not* remove paragraph styles nor character styles since they are, well, styles, not direct formatting. It can get confusing, but you just have to remember that there is multiple layers of formatting applied to the text: paragraph styles, then character styles, then direct formatting (don't ask me where the conditional formatting goes). -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
I just tried it and you're right. Ctrl-M clears *direct* formatting, but preserves any *style* based formatting, whether paragraph or character style. I certainly wouldn't consider that a bug; it seems to me to be the way it was deliberately designed. Virgil -Original Message- From: Gabriel Risterucci Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 5:33 PM Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...? 2013/7/13 Pablo Dotro pdo...@gmail.com On 11/07/13 07:50, Virgil Arrington wrote: Once you apply your style, you can clear any direct formatting by selecting the text and hitting Ctrl-M. Everything should then snap to the style-controlled formatting. Virgil I've seen a case when this not always work. If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) Well, it IS a feature. The direct formatting is *only* the direct formatting: done using the toolbar buttons, or directly by doing right click on the text and changing paragraph/characters here. Removing direct formatting will *not* remove paragraph styles nor character styles since they are, well, styles, not direct formatting. It can get confusing, but you just have to remember that there is multiple layers of formatting applied to the text: paragraph styles, then character styles, then direct formatting (don't ask me where the conditional formatting goes). -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
I personally think it would be great if LO had a lock styles feature that one could choose to prevent himself from making direct formatting changes without going through styles. As you've noticed there are several layers of formatting methods and, when they're combined in a single document, the file confusion can be great. Of course, I'm not at all suggesting that LO *require* all formatting to be styles based, only that it provide the user the opportunity to select such a feature. Virgil -Original Message- From: Gabriel Risterucci Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 5:33 PM Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...? 2013/7/13 Pablo Dotro pdo...@gmail.com On 11/07/13 07:50, Virgil Arrington wrote: Once you apply your style, you can clear any direct formatting by selecting the text and hitting Ctrl-M. Everything should then snap to the style-controlled formatting. Virgil I've seen a case when this not always work. If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) Well, it IS a feature. The direct formatting is *only* the direct formatting: done using the toolbar buttons, or directly by doing right click on the text and changing paragraph/characters here. Removing direct formatting will *not* remove paragraph styles nor character styles since they are, well, styles, not direct formatting. It can get confusing, but you just have to remember that there is multiple layers of formatting applied to the text: paragraph styles, then character styles, then direct formatting (don't ask me where the conditional formatting goes). -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
I'm with you on this one Virgil. Is there a way to show the styles in a section of text, a bit like showing the tags in HTML. If I have a bit of text with a paragraph style, a character style and direct formatting, how do I see what is applied where. Steve On 2013-07-14 10:42, Virgil Arrington wrote: I personally think it would be great if LO had a lock styles feature that one could choose to prevent himself from making direct formatting changes without going through styles. As you've noticed there are several layers of formatting methods and, when they're combined in a single document, the file confusion can be great. Of course, I'm not at all suggesting that LO *require* all formatting to be styles based, only that it provide the user the opportunity to select such a feature. Virgil -Original Message- From: Gabriel Risterucci Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 5:33 PM Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...? 2013/7/13 Pablo Dotro pdo...@gmail.com On 11/07/13 07:50, Virgil Arrington wrote: Once you apply your style, you can clear any direct formatting by selecting the text and hitting Ctrl-M. Everything should then snap to the style-controlled formatting. Virgil I've seen a case when this not always work. If you apply some direct formatting (i.e. bold something by hand), then apply some charactery style, then a paragraph style (with the format you really wanted in the first place)... what you get is a mix of applied formatting that almost never corresponds to the style you wanted. If you clear the direct formatting there, it does not reset completely. You have to also remove the applied character style to get the text to respond completely to the paragraph style. It's annoying, but It could be considered a feature, not a bug ;-) Well, it IS a feature. The direct formatting is *only* the direct formatting: done using the toolbar buttons, or directly by doing right click on the text and changing paragraph/characters here. Removing direct formatting will *not* remove paragraph styles nor character styles since they are, well, styles, not direct formatting. It can get confusing, but you just have to remember that there is multiple layers of formatting applied to the text: paragraph styles, then character styles, then direct formatting (don't ask me where the conditional formatting goes). -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
Once you apply your style, you can clear any direct formatting by selecting the text and hitting Ctrl-M. Everything should then snap to the style-controlled formatting. Virgil -Original Message- From: Jan Andersen Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 1:50 AM To: libreoffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...? Ah, that sounds like it could be the explanation; thank you for clearing that up for me :-) On 11/07/13 06:30, Gabriel Risterucci wrote: It is possible that there is some direct formatting applied to the text. Among other things, what determine the final look of text, it first apply the paragraph style, then the character style, then the direct formatting. Those two can be changed independently. For example, applying the bold attribute by hand (using the B button in the toolbars) change the direct formatting. If you then apply a style, it will not override the direct formatting of the text. Usually, if using styles correctly, you shouldn't apply attributes by hand *at all*. To check if this is the issue, you can delete direct formatting quickly by selecting the text, and use the Format-Delete direct formatting menu (or something like that; I'm not sure about the english UI, but it's the first command in the Format menu). -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net 2013/7/11 Jan Andersen j4nd3r...@gmail.com mailto:j4nd3r...@gmail.com I have on several occasions been annoyed by something in LO - just a small thing, but none the less: Normally, when you apply a style, like a header style, it sets the typeface etc, but sometimes it doesn't. I think it happens in situations like this: I write a section of text, apply some character formatting (eg. bold or a different font), then decide to break the section up and insert a heading in between - and it doesn't work, ie the font doesn't change etc. Why is that? Is this the way it should be, or is it a bug? If it is a feature, what am I doing wrong? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.__libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/__get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-__unsubscribe/ http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.__documentfoundation.org/__Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.__libreoffice.org/global/users/ http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
I have on several occasions been annoyed by something in LO - just a small thing, but none the less: Normally, when you apply a style, like a header style, it sets the typeface etc, but sometimes it doesn't. I think it happens in situations like this: I write a section of text, apply some character formatting (eg. bold or a different font), then decide to break the section up and insert a heading in between - and it doesn't work, ie the font doesn't change etc. Why is that? Is this the way it should be, or is it a bug? If it is a feature, what am I doing wrong? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
It is possible that there is some direct formatting applied to the text. Among other things, what determine the final look of text, it first apply the paragraph style, then the character style, then the direct formatting. Those two can be changed independently. For example, applying the bold attribute by hand (using the B button in the toolbars) change the direct formatting. If you then apply a style, it will not override the direct formatting of the text. Usually, if using styles correctly, you shouldn't apply attributes by hand *at all*. To check if this is the issue, you can delete direct formatting quickly by selecting the text, and use the Format-Delete direct formatting menu (or something like that; I'm not sure about the english UI, but it's the first command in the Format menu). -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net 2013/7/11 Jan Andersen j4nd3r...@gmail.com I have on several occasions been annoyed by something in LO - just a small thing, but none the less: Normally, when you apply a style, like a header style, it sets the typeface etc, but sometimes it doesn't. I think it happens in situations like this: I write a section of text, apply some character formatting (eg. bold or a different font), then decide to break the section up and insert a heading in between - and it doesn't work, ie the font doesn't change etc. Why is that? Is this the way it should be, or is it a bug? If it is a feature, what am I doing wrong? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.orgusers%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] A feature, or ...?
Ah, that sounds like it could be the explanation; thank you for clearing that up for me :-) On 11/07/13 06:30, Gabriel Risterucci wrote: It is possible that there is some direct formatting applied to the text. Among other things, what determine the final look of text, it first apply the paragraph style, then the character style, then the direct formatting. Those two can be changed independently. For example, applying the bold attribute by hand (using the B button in the toolbars) change the direct formatting. If you then apply a style, it will not override the direct formatting of the text. Usually, if using styles correctly, you shouldn't apply attributes by hand *at all*. To check if this is the issue, you can delete direct formatting quickly by selecting the text, and use the Format-Delete direct formatting menu (or something like that; I'm not sure about the english UI, but it's the first command in the Format menu). -- Cley Faye http://cleyfaye.net 2013/7/11 Jan Andersen j4nd3r...@gmail.com mailto:j4nd3r...@gmail.com I have on several occasions been annoyed by something in LO - just a small thing, but none the less: Normally, when you apply a style, like a header style, it sets the typeface etc, but sometimes it doesn't. I think it happens in situations like this: I write a section of text, apply some character formatting (eg. bold or a different font), then decide to break the section up and insert a heading in between - and it doesn't work, ie the font doesn't change etc. Why is that? Is this the way it should be, or is it a bug? If it is a feature, what am I doing wrong? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.__libreoffice.org mailto:users%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/__get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-__unsubscribe/ http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.__documentfoundation.org/__Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.__libreoffice.org/global/users/ http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Math feature request
Feature Request: make Math to understand formulas. For example: if i make a formula like A =ε q, then i would like to have a toggle button in Math, which rotates that formula: A =ε q; ε = A / q and q = A / ε It would give a sense to save formulas into *.odf files. And all those formulas are then n in 1 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Math-feature-request-tp3472100p3472100.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Math feature request
Hi, On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:11:57 -0700 (PDT) daddo maik...@gmail.com wrote: Feature Request: make Math to understand formulas. For example: if i make a formula like A =ε q, then i would like to have a toggle button in Math, which rotates that formula: A =ε q; ε = A / q and q = A / ε It would give a sense to save formulas into *.odf files. And all those formulas are then n in 1 I think, what you are asking for is way outside the scope of an office suite. You might want to look at computer algebra systems, like Maple or Maxima. You can get some more information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxima_(software) Sigrid -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] strikethrough feature
Dear Support, when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls) there is a strikethrough feature that allows you to mark words that you want to delete but stIll keep them in the text, e.g. strikethrough. I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office (also not in former Open Office). Is there such a feature? If not I suggest to add it next to the bold, italic and underline feature. THANKS FOR PROVIDING THIS SEVICE! I kindly ask you to let me know if the strikethrough feature exists in Libre Office. Best regards, Maria -- Maria E. Rechnitzer, Mag. phil. Email: rrrah...@gmail.com - Reduce Reuse Recycle Now - Change habits, and the environment changes with you. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] strikethrough feature
Hi Maria and welcome. Answer inline. On Aug 25, 2011, at 22:47 , Maria Rechnitzer wrote: Dear Support, when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls) there is a strikethrough feature that allows you to mark words that you want to delete but stIll keep them in the text, e.g. strikethrough. I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office (also not in former Open Office). Is there such a feature? If not I suggest to add it next to the bold, italic and underline feature. Mark the text you wish to strike through, then choose Format/Character/Font effects. There you will find bold, italic, and a host of others, including strike through. //James -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] strikethrough feature
Silly me. The OP is not subscribed, so won't get messages sent to the list unless she is cc'd. I should have known that. I authorised her message. Here's my reply again. Hi Maria and welcome. Answer inline. On Aug 25, 2011, at 22:47 , Maria Rechnitzer wrote: Dear Support, when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls) there is a strikethrough feature that allows you to mark words that you want to delete but stIll keep them in the text, e.g. strikethrough. I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office (also not in former Open Office). Is there such a feature? If not I suggest to add it next to the bold, italic and underline feature. Mark the text you wish to strike through, then choose Format/Character/Font effects. There you will find bold, italic, and a host of others, including strike through. //James -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] strikethrough feature
At 13:47 25/08/2011 -0700, Maria Rechnitzer wrote: when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls) there is a strikethrough feature that allows you to mark words that you want to delete but still keep them in the text, [i.e.] strikethrough. I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office (also not in former Open Office). Is there such a feature? Yes - in both. o Select the text. o Go to Format | Character... | Font Effects | Strikethrough, and select an option from the drop-down menu. As well as a character property, strikethrough can also be a property of character styles and paragraph styles (though not of paragraphs). If not I suggest to add it next to the bold, italic and underline feature. You can do this yourself: o Click the down-arrow at the right end of the Formatting toolbar and select Customize toolbar... | Toolbars. o Under Toolbar Content, click Add... . o Under Category select Format, under Commands select Strikethrough, and click Add and Close. o Click the up and down arrows to move your new button to where you want it - apparently below Underline. o Click OK. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] strikethrough feature
** Reply to message from Maria Rechnitzer rrrah...@gmail.com on Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:47:20 -0700 Dear Support, when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls) there is a strikethrough feature that allows you to mark words that you want to delete but stIll keep them in the text, e.g. strikethrough. I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office (also not in former Open Office). Is there such a feature? If not I suggest to add it next to the bold, italic and underline feature. THANKS FOR PROVIDING THIS SEVICE! I kindly ask you to let me know if the strikethrough feature exists in Libre Office. Best regards, Maria Maria, Yes it does. Go to the Edit menu and click on Changes, then click on Record and if Show is not checked click on that to make the marks visible. You can change how the changes are marked by going to the menu Tools\Options\Libreoffice Writer\Changes -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request :Evolution
Am 12.07.2011 18:46, Shane Van Loenen wrote: I could not find a place on the website to list a feature request, so I will try here. Open Office and Libre Office are great tools that can be used in the enterprise, but since there is not an e-mail client, my org will gravitate back to MS. Anyway to integrate Evolution (or like) into Libre offcie? Thanks, -Shane This office suite serves one single main purpose. It is the reference implementation of the ODF standard. It creates office documents in the ODF file formats (*.odt, *.ods, *.odp) which can be read by a wide variety of programs for decades to come without too heavy technical problems and without any legal issues. Document creation has nothing to do with web-content nor email. Neither web-content nor email suffer from proprietary file formats. Whatever your preferred email program has to offer, it is unrelated to document creation. LibreOffice should be able to cooperate with your prefered mail program in 3 ways: 1) When you click on a mail hyperlink your mail application should start up with a new email and the clicked mail address in the receipient field. 2) When you call menu:FileSendEmail your mail application should start with a new email and the current document attatched in ODF, Microsoft or PDF format. 3) You should be able to use the address lists of your email application for serial letters where you send the same letter to a list of receipients. The list will be read from the address book of your mail application. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request :Evolution
Hi :) +1 would be my vote for how this all works. I've not really tried it but hopefully it works that way for several email clients possibly including the proprietary The Bat. I tend to prefer OpenSource programs such as Thunderbird or Claws and suspect that Thunderbird is the most likely one to work well. Evo has a surprisingly small team and would probably welcome more devs. It would certainly be good to support them better. Regards from Tom :) From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wed, 13 July, 2011 9:32:05 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request :Evolution snip / Whatever your preferred email program has to offer, it is unrelated to document creation. LibreOffice should be able to cooperate with your preferred mail program in 3 ways: 1) When you click on a mail hyper-link your mail application should start up with a new email and the clicked mail address in the recipient field. 2) When you call menu:FileSendEmail your mail application should start with a new email and the current document attached in ODF, Microsoft or PDF format. 3) You should be able to use the address lists of your email application for serial letters where you send the same letter to a list of recipients. The list will be read from the address book of your mail application. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request :Evolution
On 07/12/2011 09:46 AM, Shane Van Loenen wrote: I could not find a place on the website to list a feature request, so I will try here. Open Office and Libre Office are great tools that can be used in the enterprise, but since there is not an e-mail client, my org will gravitate back to MS. Anyway to integrate Evolution (or like) into Libre offcie? Any particular reason why you don't just use Evolution as your mail client in: Tools|Options|Internet|Email? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: native BibTeX support
There are several (free and non-free) reference managers in the market. Zotero is one of them, JabRef is another, personally I use (and recommend) Bibus. There are even more. A comparison can be found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software here . Most can handle BibTex. It seems to me that implied in the original post is the question whether LibO should join this market, offering a (full fledged?) bibliography/reference manager. This will require, of course, the ability to directly import Bibtex files. My impression is that: (1) there are plenty of good-enough (and getting better) reference manager programs; (2) developing a good one is not trivial; (3) the variety of programs indicate a variety of needs and usage style - implementing one in LibO might make people unhappy with LibO because they don't like the way it handles bibliography, which is not its main object in the first place... so I think that LibO should focus on providing a good and easy to use interface (API?) for other /programs/ that take bibliography/reference as their main business. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-native-BibTeX-support-tp3157370p3158509.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: native BibTeX support
Thanks for your answers. Zotero is a very good software but I work mainly in LaTeX and Zotero supports only a kind of syncronization with a .bib file. Some export problems exist and for me it is not acceptable because I need a very clean BibTeX file to produce papers and books. Moreover Zotero works only under Firefox, right? Not all people in our lab use Firefox. However I have just visited the Zotero website and seems that alpha versions for other browser support exist... I'll give it a try and I'll check again the BibTeX support :) I have used Bibus up to two years ago to work with OpenOffice but I do not think is a great software. In Wikipedia a lot of reference managers are listed but no one has a real support for BibTeX files. Just export. In my opinion, only Zotero has an advanced management of BibTeX files thanks to a real time syncronization. I don't want that LibO becomes a reference manager (no import, no sorting, no hyperlink, no pdf). My hope is that in the future LibO could use an external database (BibTeX or SQLite, etc...) without the need of an external program to cite a reference and to produce a bibliography. An internal bibliography system already exists in LibO and in OpenOffice but is very poor. In this way one can manage its bibliographic database with the program he/she prefers and then LibO is able to use this databases natively, without the help of external program and without the need of an API. Thanks for this nice discussion! Ciao ciao. Fra On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:10, drorlev dror.s...@gmail.com wrote: There are several (free and non-free) reference managers in the market. Zotero is one of them, JabRef is another, personally I use (and recommend) Bibus. There are even more. A comparison can be found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software here . Most can handle BibTex. It seems to me that implied in the original post is the question whether LibO should join this market, offering a (full fledged?) bibliography/reference manager. This will require, of course, the ability to directly import Bibtex files. My impression is that: (1) there are plenty of good-enough (and getting better) reference manager programs; (2) developing a good one is not trivial; (3) the variety of programs indicate a variety of needs and usage style - implementing one in LibO might make people unhappy with LibO because they don't like the way it handles bibliography, which is not its main object in the first place... so I think that LibO should focus on providing a good and easy to use interface (API?) for other /programs/ that take bibliography/reference as their main business. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-native-BibTeX-support-tp3157370p3158509.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request: native BibTeX support
Hi LibreOffice has a Menú: Insert-Index-Bibliographic entry that could be used. I have to advice that I never use it and I don't know How to use, but if some one know he would share with us and solve the problem. Regards, Jorge Rodríguez __ El lun, 11-07-2011 a las 01:10 -0700, drorlev escribió: There are several (free and non-free) reference managers in the market. Zotero is one of them, JabRef is another, personally I use (and recommend) Bibus. There are even more. A comparison can be found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software here . Most can handle BibTex. It seems to me that implied in the original post is the question whether LibO should join this market, offering a (full fledged?) bibliography/reference manager. This will require, of course, the ability to directly import Bibtex files. My impression is that: (1) there are plenty of good-enough (and getting better) reference manager programs; (2) developing a good one is not trivial; (3) the variety of programs indicate a variety of needs and usage style - implementing one in LibO might make people unhappy with LibO because they don't like the way it handles bibliography, which is not its main object in the first place... so I think that LibO should focus on providing a good and easy to use interface (API?) for other /programs/ that take bibliography/reference as their main business. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Feature-request-native-BibTeX-support-tp3157370p3158509.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Atentamente, Jorge Rodríguez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug\feature in LO Base master\slave form linking
Hi Vladimir, On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 15:36 +0600, Vladimir Drobyshevsky wrote: Hello! I'm trying to create a form with master\slave relation. My tables linked to external PostgreSQL database, so I'm getting data for master and slave forms from queries. I make the relation by choosing fields in Link with master table and Link with slave table (I have localized version so I don't know how it exactly named) properties in subform's Property Editor. Subform's query is: SELECT invTypes.typeName AS Name, invTypes.description AS Description, invTypeMaterials.quantity AS Qty, invTypeMaterials.typeID FROM EDB.public.invTypes AS invTypes, EDB.public.invTypeMaterials AS invTypeMaterials WHERE invTypes.typeID = invTypeMaterials.materialTypeID Relation has to be build by intTypeMaterials.typeID field, so I'm choosing typeID for table intTypeMaterials and ProductID for master table. When I'm trying to open the whole form in view mode, I'm getting an error: Cannot load data. ERROR: column reference typeID is ambiguous at character 338; Error while executing the query. If I look into the sent query, I will see that LO change WHERE clause to '( invTypes.typeID = invTypeMaterials.materialTypeID ) AND ( ( typeID = :link_from_ProductID ) )'. Both tables in query have typeID field, so server can't choose the need one. And Postgres can't use an AS aliases in WHERE clause. Is it possible to change the way of LO making relation's query or to find an another way to solve my problem? Thank you in advance! P.S. I have no subscription to this mailing list so send your answers to my address too, please! -- Sincerelly yours, Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky Wanna call me? Do it right now: +7 912 2473415 My limited experience with SQL suggests you should qualify the typeID fields to remove any ambiguity. I have had this problem when working directly the outside database and developing queries for it. If one did properly qualify the ambiguous fields you get a similar error message. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Le 20/06/11 01:40, Roland Hughes a écrit : Hi Roland, It won't be anywhere near close. Get a copy of SmartSuit 98 or later and see what a word processor was supposed to be. Shame that such good functionality was left by the wayside by IBM...coz it was damned handy !! Alex -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
Am 17.06.2011, 16:20 Uhr, schrieb Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com: If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken the brain dead Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab. Hmm... I'm not actually sure what this WordPro feature looks like (never seen WordPro in action), but maybe there are ways to achieve something similar in LibreOffce: - simplest: Use headings to navigate longer documents. Not suitable for filed letters and stuff, but for longer documents with chapters very nice. You get a chapter list in the navigator (F5) and can jump between them. - also simple way to view different parts of the same document at once: Window - New window This opens a new window for the same window, the contents are identical, but you can view different parts of the document at the same time. - Use different regions for different tabs. Insert-region Each region can have different page or column layouts,and so on, but will share format and page templates. Also, the navigator shows different regions, and you can jump between them - Use a global document (see also LO help for Global documents). You can have several documents and link them into one global document. There, they share the same format templates, the single documents are displayed as regions, and they can (but do not have to) be read-only. A doubleclick opens the original file for editing. So you could link all documents regarding one client/case into one global document, so you can print them all at once, or skip through them quickly or whatever it is you do with those documents. Global documents are also nice for very large pieces of work (books or image-heavy documents. You can edit the single parts independently, without having to load and handle the whole monster at once, then look at it in all its glory in the global document. You can even create a new sub-document from within the global document (but you'll need to give it a filename) All of this is probably not the same you're used to having, and porting existing docs over is not likely easy. but it might work to achieve a similar effect as the one you're describing. ... but why are you posting this in the SVG embedding thread? :) Zak -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature request - Lotus Wordpro tabs
It won't be anywhere near close. Get a copy of SmartSuit 98 or later and see what a word processor was supposed to be. On Sun, 2011-06-19 at 23:20 +0200, Zak McKracken wrote: Am 17.06.2011, 16:20 Uhr, schrieb Roland Hughes rol...@logikalsolutions.com: If you visit the bug report site, you will see I have filed several bugs on this issue. They cannot implement WordPro tabs until they implement WordPro windows for documents. Right now they have taken the brain dead Microsoft approach of having each document as a tab. Hmm... I'm not actually sure what this WordPro feature looks like (never seen WordPro in action), but maybe there are ways to achieve something similar in LibreOffce: - simplest: Use headings to navigate longer documents. Not suitable for filed letters and stuff, but for longer documents with chapters very nice. You get a chapter list in the navigator (F5) and can jump between them. - also simple way to view different parts of the same document at once: Window - New window This opens a new window for the same window, the contents are identical, but you can view different parts of the document at the same time. - Use different regions for different tabs. Insert-region Each region can have different page or column layouts,and so on, but will share format and page templates. Also, the navigator shows different regions, and you can jump between them - Use a global document (see also LO help for Global documents). You can have several documents and link them into one global document. There, they share the same format templates, the single documents are displayed as regions, and they can (but do not have to) be read-only. A doubleclick opens the original file for editing. So you could link all documents regarding one client/case into one global document, so you can print them all at once, or skip through them quickly or whatever it is you do with those documents. Global documents are also nice for very large pieces of work (books or image-heavy documents. You can edit the single parts independently, without having to load and handle the whole monster at once, then look at it in all its glory in the global document. You can even create a new sub-document from within the global document (but you'll need to give it a filename) All of this is probably not the same you're used to having, and porting existing docs over is not likely easy. but it might work to achieve a similar effect as the one you're describing. ... but why are you posting this in the SVG embedding thread? :) Zak -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net No U.S. troops have ever lost their lives defending our ethanol reserves. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@global.libreoffice.org In case of problems unsubscribing, write to postmas...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Added feature request
Hi :) CSV is basically a text-file and doesn't have the capability of storing info about different sheets. It is a limit of the format. Each sheet can be a separate CSV file. That is one advantage that spreadsheet formats such as ods or xls give. They take up extra space because they contain a greater level of sophistication. Csv is good for transfer between incompatible programs. One of which is almost invariably a proprietary program because OpenSource programs aim at being able to exchange data easily. Proprietary programs almost invariably make a deliberate effort to stop their data being able to be used by other programs in any easy way. People are then forced to buy the proprietary program in order to be able to work with their data. Hence all the problems with .docX and .xlsX and all the people making demands for wider-spread adoption of Open Documents standards. LO does have a format that handles many sheets within a workbook, ods. It 'should' be smaller and lighter than xls but it is unlikely to be used by proprietary devices or proprietary programs. MS Office has been forced into allowing Open Document Formats but it makes sure it handls them badly so that people are forced into using their proprietary ones instead. The whole point about Csv is that it's a very very simplistic, very light-weight format. Regards from Tom :) From: Robert Prins robert.ah.pr...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 3 May, 2011 8:16:20 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Added feature request Hi all, One of the things that is asked for repeatedly on z/OS related forums is the ability to create, on that platform, multi-sheet spreadsheets in CSV format for import on the PC into LO (or that other product), with the standard answer that it isn't possible to create multi-sheet spreadsheets from CSV. Wouldn't it be great if LO could distinguish itself if you added an option to actually make this possible? Robert -- Robert AH Prins robert.ah.pr...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: feature request - inline formulas in Impress
Hi - -,
- - wrote:
In LO Writer, it is possible to insert a formula inline with text.
However, there does not appear to be any way to do this in Impress. One
can still insert a formula, but it is put in as its own object, separate
from the text box, and therefore it is practically impossible to align it
with the text.
If only things like Greek letters are needed, I can just insert them as
special characters, and I can still use stand-alone formulas, *but*,
sometimes it would be very useful to be able to insert special math
characters (like the vector hat arrows, etc. or a nontrival fraction)
inline with text in a text box in Impress, and so far I see no way to do
that, although it is possible in Writer.
I've thought of a workaround, although it is a little messy. Instead of
mixing text with an inline formula, you can just add all of the text in the
formula itself. Example 1 (below) is how you would normally want to do it.
Example 2 shows my workaround. In these examples, the part between square
brackets is a formula object.
Example 1:
Euler's identity is [e^{i %pi} = -1]
Example 2:
[Euler's identity is e^{i %pi} = -1]
It does make it a little harder to get the formatting the way you want, but
at least you can get the formula in line with text without too much hassle.
I'm not sure how you would put bullet points in a formula though. Maybe you
could experiment with that a little and let us know if you find a way.
Regards
Jack
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request - Password on PDF Hybrid Attachment
On 03/24/2011 10:45 AM, rudinshah shah wrote: Hi.. One of the features that I really like is the ability to create a hybrid pdf file without I manually install the required plugin.. I have a request here. About the attachment that enable LibreOffice open the PDF. By using the Hybrid feature, we can create PDF that can be open using LibreOffice Writer. * I wish that I can password protect the attachment so that not everyone can open/edit my file*. Only those who know the password can open the pdf using LibreOffice Writer, else can only view the pdf using pdf viewer. This is important especially if user create a pdf that content certain data that should not be change by non-authorize person. Thanks, I'm not sure I understand. You can password protect the pdf/document using the Security tab in File|Export as PDF. You can set one password to open, and another to allow changes (Set permission password). If you set one to allow changes, LO will not open the document in Writer unless the correct password is first entered. You of course have to re-export as pdf with passwords set after you've modified the document in order to preserve the security. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Feature Request - Password on PDF Hybrid Attachment
Oh.. I miss that part.. My bad.. Thanks for the answer.. One more thing, instead of showing the file name (filename.tmp), I think it is better to not show it at all or use the filename itself. I Think it is more secure.. The popup will give something like this, Enter password to open file: 21F.tmp How about change it to the filename itself without extension(eg: myEbook.pdf), Enter password to open file: myEbook Thanks again.. 2011/3/25 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net On 03/24/2011 10:45 AM, rudinshah shah wrote: Hi.. One of the features that I really like is the ability to create a hybrid pdf file without I manually install the required plugin.. I have a request here. About the attachment that enable LibreOffice open the PDF. By using the Hybrid feature, we can create PDF that can be open using LibreOffice Writer. * I wish that I can password protect the attachment so that not everyone can open/edit my file*. Only those who know the password can open the pdf using LibreOffice Writer, else can only view the pdf using pdf viewer. This is important especially if user create a pdf that content certain data that should not be change by non-authorize person. Thanks, I'm not sure I understand. You can password protect the pdf/document using the Security tab in File|Export as PDF. You can set one password to open, and another to allow changes (Set permission password). If you set one to allow changes, LO will not open the document in Writer unless the correct password is first entered. You of course have to re-export as pdf with passwords set after you've modified the document in order to preserve the security. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- *http://rudinshah.ilog.my* - Blog Rudinshah *http://www.scribd.com/rudinshah *- Ebook Rudinshah *http://www.espresi.com *- Forum Komuniti Online *http://forum.putera.com/tanya/ *- Forum Komputer Teknologi Maklumat *http://www.halaqah.net *- Forum Islam Untuk Semua -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-users] Editing feature: Spike
A useful addition to LibreOffice would be a spike clipboard, that allows one to store a sequence of items to be pasted, from which one can select the particular item needed. MS-Word offers such a feature and it has proved most useful whilst editing long texts. -- Peter G. Underwood tel/fax: +27 21 761 8463 4 Brentwood Close cell:+27 84 650 3091 11C Indian RoadSkype:pgunderwood KENILWORTH 7708 pgunderw...@wol.co.za Cape Town South Africa -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
Simon Cropper scrop...@botanicusaustralia.com.au wrote in message news:4d5c7b04.2010...@botanicusaustralia.com.au... Hi, Writer has the ability so define a number of rows at the top of a table that will repeat if the table extends over the page. http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Repeating_a_Table_Header_on_a_New_Page This sort of functionality would be great in Calc. At present it is necessary to manually manipulate the sheet to put a header at the top of each page. Even if the process is not dynamic as for writer. It would be good if a tool could be created that automatically moved the headers to the right spot (~ automatic cut and paste based on page size). Assuming a square table a designated number of rows at the top of the table could be tagged as header rows by the user. These could then be propagated down the matrix and inserted at the top of where the current page break occurs. These duplicate headers are also marked as headers but also that they are duplicates. If the page size changes and the tool run again the duplicate headers are removed and the process repeated. This sort of routine would save considerable time manipulating quite sizable tables that can extend over many pages. snip From Calc's Help pages under HeadingsRepeating rows/columns as === begin quote === Printing Rows or Columns on Every Page If you have a sheet that is so large that it will be printed multiple pages, you can set up rows or columns to repeat on each printed page. As an example, If you want to print the top two rows of the sheet as well as the first column (A)on all pages, do the following: 1. Choose Format - Print Ranges - Edit. The Edit Print Ranges dialogue box appears. 2. Click the icon at the far right of the Rows to repeat area. The dialogue box shrinks so that you can see more of the sheet. 3. Select the first two rows and, for this example, click cell A1 and drag to A2. In the shrunken dialogue box you will see $1:$2. Rows 1 and 2 are now rows to repeat. 4. Click the icon at the far right of the Rows to repeat area. The dialogue box is restored again. 5. If you also want column A as a column to repeat, click the icon at the far right of the Columns to repeat area. 6. Click column A (not in the column header). 7. Click the icon again at the far right of the Columns to repeat area. Rows to repeat are rows from the sheet. You can define headers and footers to be printed on each print page independently of this in Format - Page. === end quote === -- Harold Fuchs London, England -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
See below for replies ... From: Harold Fuchs hwfa.libreoff...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 17 February, 2011 8:44:57 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page Simon Cropper scrop...@botanicusaustralia.com.au wrote in message news:4d5c7b04.2010...@botanicusaustralia.com.au... Hi, Writer has the ability so define a number of rows at the top of a table that will repeat if the table extends over the page. http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Repeating_a_Table_Header_on_a_New_Page This sort of functionality would be great in Calc. At present it is necessary to manually manipulate the sheet to put a header at the top of each page. Even if the process is not dynamic as for writer. It would be good if a tool could be created that automatically moved the headers to the right spot (~ automatic cut and paste based on page size). Assuming a square table a designated number of rows at the top of the table could be tagged as header rows by the user. These could then be propagated down the matrix and inserted at the top of where the current page break occurs. These duplicate headers are also marked as headers but also that they are duplicates. If the page size changes and the tool run again the duplicate headers are removed and the process repeated. This sort of routine would save considerable time manipulating quite sizable tables that can extend over many pages. snip From Calc's Help pages under HeadingsRepeating rows/columns as === begin quote === Printing Rows or Columns on Every Page If you have a sheet that is so large that it will be printed multiple pages, you can set up rows or columns to repeat on each printed page. As an example, If you want to print the top two rows of the sheet as well as the first column (A)on all pages, do the following: 1. Choose Format - Print Ranges - Edit. The Edit Print Ranges dialogue box appears. 2. Click the icon at the far right of the Rows to repeat area. The dialogue box shrinks so that you can see more of the sheet. 3. Select the first two rows and, for this example, click cell A1 and drag to A2. In the shrunken dialogue box you will see $1:$2. Rows 1 and 2 are now rows to repeat. 4. Click the icon at the far right of the Rows to repeat area. The dialogue box is restored again. 5. If you also want column A as a column to repeat, click the icon at the far right of the Columns to repeat area. 6. Click column A (not in the column header). 7. Click the icon again at the far right of the Columns to repeat area. Rows to repeat are rows from the sheet. You can define headers and footers to be printed on each print page independently of this in Format - Page. === end quote === -- Harold Fuchs London, England -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** Ahah, i thought this question ambiguous. It could be about 1. Printing (neatly solved by Harold Fuchs and something i didn't know. Excel does this in Page Set-up) 2. Onscreen For Onscreen just click on any cell then go up to the menus and click on Window - Freeze Then try scrolling updown or side-to-side to see the effect. Then unfreeze and set the freeze corner exactly where you need it. Good luck and regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
Hi Tom, First of all, thank you very much for trying to abide by the list guidelines wrt inline-posting... and yes, I'm top-posting this for a reason - sometimes top-posting is ok... ;) One thing you are forgetting, which is now making your replies very painful to discern/read, is to snip/trim/cut any unnecessary and/or irrelevant content in the quoted text... hint: you *never* want to quote the entire message, since that would include list footers, people's signatures, etc, etc. Usually only a sentence or small paragraph is enough to preserve context... Also, you are apparently using the Yahoo Webmail client, which doesn't seem to use the standard quote character '' for showing quotes in plain text emails... this is too bad, because it makes inline-posting extremely easy, both for composing and reading/comprehension. There are plenty of examples of how clean/neat these replies can/should be from myself and others who have been discussing this in the bottom vs top posting thread... You might consider using a real mail client, like Thunderbird, that handles quotes properly and easily - in Thunderbird, if you highlight/select some text before clicking reply, *only* that text is included in the quoted text in your reply... I use this feature all the time... But regardless, at a minimum you should always endeavor to delete any unnecessary quoted text, leaving only enough to show context... in this case, your reply could/should have looked something like: * Begin example On 2011-02-17 4:11 AM, Tom Davies wrote: snip 7. Click the icon again at the far right of the Columns to repeat area. Rows to repeat are rows from the sheet. You can define headers and footers to be printed on each print page independently of this in Format - Page. -- Harold Fuchs London, England === end quote === Ahah, i thought this question ambiguous. It could be about 1. Printing (neatly solved by Harold Fuchs and something i didn't know. Excel does this in Page Set-up) 2. Onscreen For Onscreen just click on any cell then go up to the menus and click on Window - Freeze Then try scrolling updown or side-to-side to see the effect. Then unfreeze and set the freeze corner exactly where you need it. Regards from Tom :) * End example instead of the mess (no offense) below, which I'm intentionally quoting in it's entirety below so you can compare... Last hint: bottom posting + 'mindlessly quoting the entire message' is far worse than top-posting... most people who argue against bottom/inline posting do so while failing to recognize the need to trim the quoted text... On 2011-02-17 4:11 AM, Tom Davies wrote: See below for replies ... From: Harold Fuchs hwfa.libreoff...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 17 February, 2011 8:44:57 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page Simon Cropper scrop...@botanicusaustralia.com.au wrote in message news:4d5c7b04.2010...@botanicusaustralia.com.au... Hi, Writer has the ability so define a number of rows at the top of a table that will repeat if the table extends over the page. http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Repeating_a_Table_Header_on_a_New_Page This sort of functionality would be great in Calc. At present it is necessary to manually manipulate the sheet to put a header at the top of each page. Even if the process is not dynamic as for writer. It would be good if a tool could be created that automatically moved the headers to the right spot (~ automatic cut and paste based on page size). Assuming a square table a designated number of rows at the top of the table could be tagged as header rows by the user. These could then be propagated down the matrix and inserted at the top of where the current page break occurs. These duplicate headers are also marked as headers but also that they are duplicates. If the page size changes and the tool run again the duplicate headers are removed and the process repeated. This sort of routine would save considerable time manipulating quite sizable tables that can extend over many pages. snip From Calc's Help pages under HeadingsRepeating rows/columns as === begin quote === Printing Rows or Columns on Every Page If you have a sheet that is so large that it will be printed multiple pages, you can set up rows or columns to repeat on each printed page. As an example, If you want to print the top two rows of the sheet as well as the first column (A)on all pages, do the following: 1. Choose Format - Print Ranges - Edit. The Edit Print Ranges dialogue box appears. 2. Click the icon at the far right of the Rows to repeat area. The dialogue box shrinks so that you can see more of the sheet. 3. Select the first two rows and, for this example, click cell A1 and drag to A2. In the shrunken dialogue box you will see $1:$2. Rows 1 and 2 are now
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
On 17-02-11 13:01, Charles Marcus wrote: Hi Tom, Also, you are apparently using the Yahoo Webmail client, which doesn't seem to use the standard quote character '' for showing quotes in plain text emails... this is too bad, because it makes inline-posting extremely easy, both for composing and reading/comprehension. There are plenty of examples of how clean/neat these replies can/should be from myself and others who have been discussing this in the bottom vs top posting thread... In web-mail of yahoo (mail.yahoo.com) Under Option/More Options/General put a mark before Quote the text of the original message You do have to logout/login before this seems to take effect. -- Luuk -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
On 17-02-11 13:01, Charles Marcus wrote: You might consider using a real mail client, like Thunderbird, that handles quotes properly and easily - in Thunderbird, if you highlight/select some text before clicking reply, *only* that text is included in the quoted text in your reply... I use this feature all the time... I thought this mailing list was about promoting the use of LibeOffice, an not of Thunderbird... ;-) -- Luuk -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
On 2011-02-17 7:31 AM, Luuk wrote: On 17-02-11 13:01, Charles Marcus wrote: Also, you are apparently using the Yahoo Webmail client, which doesn't seem to use the standard quote character '' for showing quotes in plain text emails... this is too bad, because it makes inline-posting extremely easy, both for composing and reading/comprehension. There are plenty of examples of how clean/neat these replies can/should be from myself and others who have been discussing this in the bottom vs top posting thread... In web-mail of yahoo (mail.yahoo.com) Under Option/More Options/General put a mark before Quote the text of the original message Ummm... he already *is* quoting the *entire* message, so this is obviously already enabled... However, maybe there are some other options... haven't used my yahoo account in ages, but lets go see... had to reactivate... Nope, no other options to deal with this that I can see... -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
On 17-02-11 13:56, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-02-17 7:31 AM, Luuk wrote: On 17-02-11 13:01, Charles Marcus wrote: Also, you are apparently using the Yahoo Webmail client, which doesn't seem to use the standard quote character '' for showing quotes in plain text emails... this is too bad, because it makes inline-posting extremely easy, both for composing and reading/comprehension. There are plenty of examples of how clean/neat these replies can/should be from myself and others who have been discussing this in the bottom vs top posting thread... In web-mail of yahoo (mail.yahoo.com) Under Option/More Options/General put a mark before Quote the text of the original message Ummm... he already *is* quoting the *entire* message, so this is obviously already enabled... However, maybe there are some other options... haven't used my yahoo account in ages, but lets go see... had to reactivate... Nope, no other options to deal with this that I can see... Sorry, this was meant to make Tom Davies quoot properly but that piece of info was missing.. -- Luuk -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
Ahah, at last. Thanks for helping rather than blaming. This type of answer is one of the perfect ways of handling the problem. It is the type of thing that make LO great. Unfortunately it shows that bottom posting involves more work than most office workers are prepared to do and if we demand that they do all this then they will often consider it easier to reinstall MS Office rather than deal with this. I know that is ridiculous. Mostly they wont have un-installed MS Office so there is even less reason for them to stay with LO. Regards from Tom :) From: Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 17 February, 2011 12:01:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page Hi Tom, First of all, thank you very much for trying to abide by the list guidelines wrt inline-posting... and yes, I'm top-posting this for a reason - sometimes top-posting is ok... ;) One thing you are forgetting, which is now making your replies very painful to discern/read, is to snip/trim/cut any unnecessary and/or irrelevant content in the quoted text... hint: you *never* want to quote the entire message, since that would include list footers, people's signatures, etc, etc. Usually only a sentence or small paragraph is enough to preserve context... Also, you are apparently using the Yahoo Webmail client, which doesn't seem to use the standard quote character '' for showing quotes in plain text emails... this is too bad, because it makes inline-posting extremely easy, both for composing and reading/comprehension. There are plenty of examples of how clean/neat these replies can/should be from myself and others who have been discussing this in the bottom vs top posting thread... You might consider using a real mail client, like Thunderbird, that handles quotes properly and easily - in Thunderbird, if you highlight/select some text before clicking reply, *only* that text is included in the quoted text in your reply... I use this feature all the time... But regardless, at a minimum you should always endeavor to delete any unnecessary quoted text, leaving only enough to show context... in this case, your reply could/should have looked something like: * Begin example On 2011-02-17 4:11 AM, Tom Davies wrote: snip 7. Click the icon again at the far right of the Columns to repeat area. Rows to repeat are rows from the sheet. You can define headers and footers to be printed on each print page independently of this in Format - Page. -- Harold Fuchs London, England === end quote === Ahah, i thought this question ambiguous. It could be about 1. Printing (neatly solved by Harold Fuchs and something i didn't know. Excel does this in Page Set-up) 2. Onscreen For Onscreen just click on any cell then go up to the menus and click on Window - Freeze Then try scrolling updown or side-to-side to see the effect. Then unfreeze and set the freeze corner exactly where you need it. Regards from Tom :) * End example instead of the mess (no offense) below, which I'm intentionally quoting in it's entirety below so you can compare... Last hint: bottom posting + 'mindlessly quoting the entire message' is far worse than top-posting... most people who argue against bottom/inline posting do so while failing to recognize the need to trim the quoted text... On 2011-02-17 4:11 AM, Tom Davies wrote: See below for replies ... From: Harold Fuchs hwfa.libreoff...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 17 February, 2011 8:44:57 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page Simon Cropper scrop...@botanicusaustralia.com.au wrote in message news:4d5c7b04.2010...@botanicusaustralia.com.au... Hi, Writer has the ability so define a number of rows at the top of a table that will repeat if the table extends over the page. http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Repeating_a_Table_Header_on_a_New_Page This sort of functionality would be great in Calc. At present it is necessary to manually manipulate the sheet to put a header at the top of each page. Even if the process is not dynamic as for writer. It would be good if a tool could be created that automatically moved the headers to the right spot (~ automatic cut and paste based on page size). Assuming a square table a designated number of rows at the top of the table could be tagged as header rows by the user. These could then be propagated down the matrix and inserted at the top of where the current page break occurs. These duplicate headers are also marked as headers but also that they are duplicates. If the page size changes and the tool run again the duplicate headers are removed and the process repeated. This sort of routine would save considerable time manipulating quite sizable
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: : Unfortunately it shows that bottom posting involves more work than most office workers are prepared to do and if we demand that they do all this then they will often consider it easier to reinstall MS Office rather than deal with this. I know that is ridiculous. Mostly they wont have un-installed MS Office so there is even less reason for them to stay with LO. We, not really. If you bottom post, on your way down through the text to which you are replying, you can delete that which is not needed in the reply. (Not you personally, but anyone.) Going back and proofreading a response is also a good idea - makes it easier to see if what you said is legible And I often forget that last step, too. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
On 2011-02-17 1:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Ahah, at last. Thanks for helping rather than blaming. This type of answer is one of the perfect ways of handling the problem. It is the type of thing that make LO great. Unfortunately it shows that bottom posting involves more work than most office workers are prepared to do and if we demand that they do all this then they will often consider it easier to reinstall MS Office rather than deal with this. I know that is ridiculous. Mostly they wont have un-installed MS Office so there is even less reason for them to stay with LO. Are you seriously suggesting that taking 3-5 seconds to select/delete some text 'involves more work than most office workers are prepared to do'? It is a simple matter, really... all it takes is to stop, think about it, and just try it. All you would have had to do for this message I'm replying to was, start at about the end of my first or second paragraph, highlight everything below it, hit the delete button on your keyboard, then add your ===End Quote=== and hit enter a few times, type your reply then click send. If that is too much work for you or anyone else for that matter, then I accuse you (and them) of being (a) lazy sob(s)... ;) -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: : If that is too much work for you or anyone else for that matter, then I accuse you (and them) of being (a) lazy sob(s)... ;) Boo hoo (sobs? :-)! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
On 2011-02-17 2:25 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote: Boo hoo (sobs? :-)! SOB... 'Son of a ...'... ;) -- Best regards, Charles -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: On 2011-02-17 2:25 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote: Boo hoo (sobs? :-)! SOB... 'Son of a ...'... ;) Oh, I thought it was a typo (for slob). Slobs sobbing about SOBs - it just gets worse and worse I should have slept in another 15 minutes or so -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FEATURE REQUEST: CALC -- Repeating a Table Header on a New Page
Harold, Thanks for the information. You would not credit it but I did double check the help prior to posting. The problem was I searched on row headers, insert headers, etcetera. Searching for repeating rows and columns did not come immediately to mind. I also scoured the menus of Calc to see if the functionality could be found easily. Again I did not expect to see this in the print range dialog so missed it all together. No matter. I am a happy man now, it's rare to get a feature request addressed so quickly :). Cheers Simon Simon Cropper Principal Consultant Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd PO Box 160, Sunshine, VIC W: www.botanicusaustralia.com.au On 17/02/11 19:44, Harold Fuchs wrote: Simon Cropper scrop...@botanicusaustralia.com.au wrote in message news:4d5c7b04.2010...@botanicusaustralia.com.au... Hi, Writer has the ability so define a number of rows at the top of a table that will repeat if the table extends over the page. http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Repeating_a_Table_Header_on_a_New_Page This sort of functionality would be great in Calc. At present it is necessary to manually manipulate the sheet to put a header at the top of each page. Even if the process is not dynamic as for writer. It would be good if a tool could be created that automatically moved the headers to the right spot (~ automatic cut and paste based on page size). Assuming a square table a designated number of rows at the top of the table could be tagged as header rows by the user. These could then be propagated down the matrix and inserted at the top of where the current page break occurs. These duplicate headers are also marked as headers but also that they are duplicates. If the page size changes and the tool run again the duplicate headers are removed and the process repeated. This sort of routine would save considerable time manipulating quite sizable tables that can extend over many pages. snip From Calc's Help pages under HeadingsRepeating rows/columns as === begin quote === Printing Rows or Columns on Every Page If you have a sheet that is so large that it will be printed multiple pages, you can set up rows or columns to repeat on each printed page. As an example, If you want to print the top two rows of the sheet as well as the first column (A)on all pages, do the following: 1. Choose Format - Print Ranges - Edit. The Edit Print Ranges dialogue box appears. 2. Click the icon at the far right of the Rows to repeat area. The dialogue box shrinks so that you can see more of the sheet. 3. Select the first two rows and, for this example, click cell A1 and drag to A2. In the shrunken dialogue box you will see $1:$2. Rows 1 and 2 are now rows to repeat. 4. Click the icon at the far right of the Rows to repeat area. The dialogue box is restored again. 5. If you also want column A as a column to repeat, click the icon at the far right of the Columns to repeat area. 6. Click column A (not in the column header). 7. Click the icon again at the far right of the Columns to repeat area. Rows to repeat are rows from the sheet. You can define headers and footers to be printed on each print page independently of this in Format - Page. === end quote === -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-users] suggested feature Writer Autocorrect Word completion
How about an option in Autocorrect Word completion to NOT add words which have numbers in them nor words which are all capitals. It would save much time and save space for Word completion words I really use. Thanks -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-users] bug/feature Write table Protected cell format
In both OO3 LB3 in a table in Writer, if a cell is protected from change, it doesn't allow a new row to be inserted, nor will it allow the format paintbrush to copy the format from the protected cell to apply to an unprotected cell. Both features would be nice without having to unprotect and then reprotect cells. John -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to users+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
