Re: Saving screenshots
On 25.01.2015, Alex Regan wrote: If they're just in the cut buffer, what app can I use to paste them in to? I'd rather not have to install GIMP just for this Maybe you *should* use GIMP, because it handles such cases in an extremely convenient way. You could just press Shift+Ctrl+V (create new file from clipboard) and you're done. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora-21 firewall advice?
On 17.01.2015, poma wrote: For people not subscribed at de...@lists.fedoraproject.org Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2014-December/205010.html Opposed to what is written in this article, firewalld leaves the system open even after upgrading with --product=nonproduct, which I verified some minutes ago on a laptop upgraded from F20 to F21 yesterday evening. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora-21 firewall advice?
On 17.01.2015, Timothy Murphy wrote: I'm presently using shorewall with iptables. Can shorewall be used with firewalld? No, it shouldn't, since both eventually apply different iptables rules. I'm surprised that I have never seen an article starting In Fedora 21 you will have to choose between firewalld and iptables. Unless I have severely misunderstood the whole concept, firewalld relies on iptables. Btw: shorewall is great, have been using it a long time (with some minor modifications). Just disable firewalld entirely and keep shorewall, firewalld won't protect you anyway if not configured after install. An iptables -L after a fresh F21 install shows no protection. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: swapping
On 15.01.2015, Patrick Dupre wrote: I need to restart the machine to have it fix! If you do not use selinux for something useful, add a selinux=0 to your kernel boot parameters. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: swapping
On 16.01.2015, Tim wrote: Of course *you* do not *use* it, it's there as a protective device against *things* on your system. Any recent Linux distribution can be secured without using selinux. Selinux requires at least basic knowledge and administration. Most of the people I installed Linux for didn't even know it was there or what it's good for. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: strange double-click
On 09.01.2015, Paul Cartwright wrote: I now have an issue, many days now, not sure when it started.. sometimes, when I SINGLE-click, it acts like a double-click. I have been encountering this phenomenon several times over many years, and it has *always* been the mouse, and nothing software related. Especially L*gitech products are sensible to this. It's the switch inside the mouse worn out. Occasionally, cleaning the contacts did it for another months. But be careful when opening, there are some really small parts inside the module. I've switched to a Kana v2 mouse from Steelseries, and no problems so far (I'm by no means a gamer!). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: current laptop recommendations
On 09.01.2015, Ian Malone wrote: Anyone have any good suggestions for a new laptop with good Linux compatibility? I've installed some newer Asus machines recently, and all worked flawlessly. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: strange double-click
On 10.01.2015, Heinz Diehl wrote: [] Here's a good example how this could work. Did that several times to several mices, and it worked to times. In the end, you'll be lost anyway.. http://dimasio.com/quick-repair-of-the-logitech-anywhere-mouse-mx-black-usb-double-click.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: strange double-click
On 10.01.2015, Paul Cartwright wrote: http://dimasio.com/quick-repair-of-the-logitech-anywhere-mouse-mx-black-usb-double-click.html I know, I would end up with either broken or lost parts, or not be able to get it back together again... I have had two L*gitech Anywhere MX mice, and could fix both doing exactly what is described in the link above. So I'm confident you'll eventually manage it :-) The whole procedure looks difficult and scary, but isn't. The little switch (see the picture provided in the link) is what's most tricky to get re-installed properly. I used a little piece of tape to hold it in place while putting the cap back on again. In the long run, I have had those two Anywhere MX and several M505 and the like from L*gitech, and will never ever buy any L*gitech mouse again. I also own(ed) a Micros*ft office mouse (the inexpensive one), an Intellimouse from the same producer and some cheapo no-name mice, and never encountered the double click problem with them, so maybe this problem indeed is L*gitech only. There are a whole lot of reports of it on the net.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nouveau driver is fast in Fedora 21 -_-
On 06.01.2015, Ralf Corsepius wrote: My recommendation is not to buy NVidia Cards ;) Besides that nvidia cards/nouveau have been working for me, do you think e.g. AMD/Radeon cards are any better, and why? Is the driver more stable, faster etc.? I'm going to buy a new gfx card for one of my machine soon, and would appreciate any good information I could get. Thanks! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora Android
On 06.01.2015, Timothy Murphy wrote: I'm wondering what applications people use to link the two? I rarely have to connect my Android phone (CM11) to my computer. When I have to, I use obex and obexftp. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f21 - dead.letter
On 04.01.2015, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Jan 04 03:01:07 lx120e.htt-consult.com sSMTP[16108]: Unable to locate mail Jan 04 03:01:07 lx120e.htt-consult.com sSMTP[16108]: Cannot open mail:25 # systemctl -l status postfix postfix.service - Postfix Mail Transport Agent Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/postfix.service; enabled) Seems you have two mail servers running (sSMTP and postfix). Then try to create aliases.db from the /etc/aliases that I had edited to add routing root's mail to rgm: [] Postfix reads the alias file as specified by alias_maps. You can confirm that by doing a postconf alias_maps. After editing and newaliases, did you actually re-start postfix? systemctl restart postfix.service -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: emacs with emacs-slime shows error Don't know how to compile nil
On 01.01.2015, R Mercado wrote: /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/slime.el:Error: Don't know how to compile nil I would try to update first, to the most recent version from MELPA. You can do that from emacs with package-install. http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Installation.html#Installation -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: mozilla-adblockplus-2.6.6-1 shows 2.6.4 installed
On 29.12.2014, Andre Robatino wrote: I have mozilla-adblockplus-2.6.6-1 installed in F21 (was just pushed stable in F19, F20, and F21). Firefox's Add-ons/Extensions still shows 2.6.4. My firefox shows the correct version. A quick grep into the Fedora 21 adblockplus src.rpm does not reveal any 2.6.4 in the active code, so there must be something else which causes the behaviour you're encountering.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Need soundcard advice
On 29.12.2014, William W. Austin wrote: Are there ANY PCIE sound which is roughly the equivalent of the Audigy 2 cards? I won't say money is no object, but I'm approaching the point where cost is less important than finding such a card if on exists. Take a look at this one. It's not PCI-E, but USB-2. http://focusrite.de/usb-audio-interfaces/saffire-6-usb -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Samsung Gs3 and F21/Xfce
On 28.12.2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote: A little more digging and it seems that gnome has this automated. Xfce seems not to have it. Perhaps I need to reboot or somehow restart Xfce? yum install gvfs gvfs-mtp -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Terminal bell/beep in XFCE
On 28.12.2014, Sam Varshavchik wrote: After switching to XFCE, one thing that I'm missing fondly is the terminal beep/bell. What is the output of grep -i bell ~/.config/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Terminal bell/beep in XFCE
On 28.12.2014, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I manually changed MiscBell to TRUE, but that didn't help. Yes, it did some time ago. Unfortunately, this seems to be a bug which different maintainers/people still try to assign to each other, without any solution.. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=607393 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Xfce Thunar directory size
On 26.12.2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Shows the Kb of the directory. I am use to Nautilus and Nemo showing how many files are in the directory. Thunar does this by default. Look right at the bottom of the Thunar window. It gives you the amount of items in the current directory, as well as how many space they occupy and a summary of the available disk space. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Compiling a module for the Fedora kernel
On 24.12.2014, poma wrote: All users should participate more, they shouldn't be just a casual observers. That is the true value. Yes. And if the faulty behaviour is reproduceable with the latest mainline, and since the offending commit is already known, the bug could be directly reported to the lkml. Most probably, this isn't a Fedora-specific thing.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Compiling a module for the Fedora kernel
On 22.12.2014, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: I then compiled it for the new kernel, but for me the problem is still there, a noisy fan. I will investigate further... How about finding the first official kernel with the faulty behaviour, bisecting the offending commit and reporting it to the lkml people? Continuously patching away an obvious bug can't be the solution (and someday it won't work any longer or need a manual merge).. Btw: is the problem still persistent in plain vanilla 3.19-rc1? https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/testing/linux-3.19-rc1.tar.xz -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Compiling a module for the Fedora kernel
On 22.12.2014, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Heinz, it was you who pointed me to the offending patch: http://tinyurl.com/mz4vsr8 As far as I can see, the nouveau driver hasn't changed much since then. Hmm, I wrote this because it seems to me that reverting this particular commit does work for some, but not for others. Maybe the faulty behavior is triggered by something which is exposed to this particuar commit, without the commit itself being the root cause. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: [OT] Compiling a module for the Fedora kernel
On 21.12.2014, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: I first tried the latest and greatest nouveau driver from freedesktop.org as is, but the fan problem remains, so I still have to apply my patch to the nouveau source.. I think you should file a bug against the nouveau driver on bugs.freedesktop.org (xorg - driver - nouveau). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So acrobat is dead for linux - long live evince?
On 16.12.2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: I have an annoying issue with PDF. I have evince installed, but when I click on a PDF in a thunderbird email, it starts to open a window, then Just tried it out of curiosity on a Lenovo laptop with bog standard F21 and thunderbird. No problems here. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: So acrobat is dead for linux - long live evince?
On 16.12.2014, Robert Moskowitz wrote: What are people doing for pdf reading native on Fedora other than evince I've been using evince a lot during my mastergrade studies, and it worked for me. For special cases as e.g. pdf annotation I've been using Xournal. I agree that okular is somewhat omnipotent, but installing it will blow my system with a lot of KDE-libs (I run awesome on my laptop and XFCE on my PC). Btw: tried okular in F19, and it was a lot slower than any other pdf reader. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: pdftk
On 13.12.2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfsam/?source=typ_t4_highlighted Not clear if this satisfies OSS requirements of Fedora but it would be at least a worthwhile alternative to pdftk's functions. The author of this package states: It’s the first public and testable version, don’t expect it to be stable and production ready. So while this may be a beginning, it's most probably not production ready. Here's another program which has quite the functionality pdftk has. I just downloaded the source and compiled it (it needs the ocaml compiler and libs to be installed and some hackery in the makefiles): http://community.coherentpdf.com Will give it a try since I heavily depend on pdftk functionality (alternatively, I'll use a Windows 7 machine at work to do the pdf merging). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: pdftk
On 13.12.2014, poma wrote: https://www.winehq.org Use the Force, Luke ... I do not want to run any Windows software on a Linux machine. Since I depend a lot on pdf merging functionality, I chose the shortest and easiest way if all fails. At work, I'm bound to Windows anyway.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
R in F21 older than in F19
Hi, installed one machine with F21 today. One of the programs I'm using most is the statistical software R. What's weird is that on F19, R is in the version 3.1.2, while the 2 releases newer F21 has version 3.1.1. Does anybody know what's going on here? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: R in F21 older than in F19
On 11.12.2014, Michael Schwendt wrote: Typical case of an update race. Ok, thanks! Have already compiled from the official source. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: No video in News or Youtube ?
On 04.12.2014, Mickey wrote: F20 Firefox-firefox-34.0-1 Flash-plugin-11.2.202.424 In Addons/plugins Flasplayer is Always Activated. Remove the flash-plugin package, download it from Adobe and copy the libflashplayer.so into ~/.mozilla/plugins (create the directory if it does not exist). Restart Firefox. You're done. http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ Choose the .tar.gz for other linux from the dropdown menue. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Backup solution
On 02.12.2014, Ali AlipourR wrote: I need some advice on Backup solutions, what is your personal methods and solutions? rsync -avxHSAX /source/ /target You can even use it to move a complete installation to another disk, just exchange source with target. It's fast, easy and reliable. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Backup solution
On 02.12.2014, Matthew Miller wrote: It doesn't, however, do compression or encryption. If the data is important (why make a backup otherwise?), this is a bad idea. One single bit flip can render your whole archive/backup useless (unless you have some par2 checksums for it, which isn't a 100% guarantee either). And big harddisk are not that expensive nowadays.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum Repairs?
On 24.11.2014, Garry T. Williams wrote: AFAIK, CTRL+C is nothing else than a SIGHUP, SIGINT Yes, thanks for the correction! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
XFCE on F21 desktop
Hi, up to F20, I used the respective 4 GB full DVD image to install Fedora, which also contained the XFCE desktop. Now, with F21, there's a desktop and a server edition, and it seems the full DVD is missing. Does the desktop edition also contain the XFCE desktop, or do I have to use any XFCE spin now to get XFCE? And where are all the development packages and libs, are they still on both editions? Thanks! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: XFCE on F21 desktop
On 23.11.2014, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Workstation does not have the Xfce packages on the media. Thanks, Kevin. That was what I wanted to know. You can of course install Workstation, then 'yum groupinstall xfce-desktop'. Hmm, so I have to install without a desktop environment first, to add XFCE after installing F21? Installing GNOME just to finally swap it for XFCE sounds weird. You can also use the Xfce spin images, which haven't gone anywhere. Ok. You could also get the network installer and choose Xfce when you install. This is not an option for me, my internet is not fast enough. In fact, I can be happy to have at least reasonably useable internet at all where I live. Thus, the big Fedora DVD was quite perfect in my case. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Yum Repairs?
On 23.11.2014, Hunter Jozwiak wrote: Is there a command to rerun the command so that whatever I stopped can be done again, and hopefully prevent breakage? Just re-run yum update, this should do it. AFAIK, CTRL+C is nothing else than a SIGHUP, so yum should have terminated correctly. Otherwise, if you feel insecure, you could also do a yum clean all before you re-run your update. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: XFCE on F21 desktop
On 23.11.2014, Joe Zeff wrote: Why shouldn't people like me who know what they need be able to get it without having to go on-line during the installation to get things? Yes, I agree. This is why I asked. On top of that, it's a big advantage for people with slow internet connections to be able to install most of the packets directly from a DVD which is downloaded only once. Example: if I want to install three machines within my family, all has to be downloaded three times, which is a waste of bandwidth and simply annoying. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Out of the Broadcom frying pan (DELL) to the fire (HP Envy)
On 17.11.2014, Gary Stainburn wrote: I'll check again but I believe this is a new chipset and not yet supported You could also grep for BCM4352 in the latest kernel sourcetree. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Clearing the unallocated disk space
On 16.11.2014, Tom Horsley wrote: A way is to run as root cp /dev/zero tempfile for one tempfile per partition until the cp fails due to running out of disk space. That will allocate all free space and write zeroes to it. Yes. Or dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=1M, which is the same. Delete bigfile afterwards, and you are done. A single overwrite is enough. On a SSD, you should issue the above command after booting from an external medium and run fstrim after you deleted the bigfile. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Out of the Broadcom frying pan (DELL) to the fire (HP Envy)
On 16.11.2014, Gary Stainburn wrote: Now I've got a newer Broadcom chipset on the replacement laptop and so far all I can Google is people who've failed to get it working. Can anyone point me to a post where it's worked. http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2014-06/msg01413.html Otherwise, just buy an external USB network adapter and save your time. Most of the common cheap sticks will do. If you want 2.4/5GHz, this one works: Bus 002 Device 009: ID 0b05:179d ASUSTek Computer, Inc. USB-N53 idProduct 0x179d USB-N53 802.11abgn Network Adapter [Ralink RT3572] -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: gnutls, openssl and compiling mutt
On 31.10.2014, Alexander Volovics wrote: Does it make any difference if mutt is compiled with '--with-gnutls' enabled or with '--with-openssl' enabled. When compiled with --with-ssl, it uses openssl for TLS, and with --with-gnutls it uses the gnutls implementation. (Btw: there is no --with-openssl configure option). Using the same .muttrc file I use in fedora the TLS connection 'aborts' and I get the error message: SSL failed, I/O error. Could not negotiate TLS connection. Is the certificate properly installed in /etc/pki/tls/certs? Openssl looks in that place and aborts if the servers certificate could not be validated. Gnutls offers you to accept it manually, if the host name does not match. (Disclaimer: I'm not using a Fedora mutt). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Closing port 631 from other computers
On 31.10.2014, Ed Greshko wrote: Listen localhost:631 Which in fact is the Fedora default.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: gnutls, openssl and compiling mutt
On 01.11.2014, Alexander Volovics wrote: Is that so. I didn't know that. How are you supposed to get the certificate then. Given that all the most used mail progs (thunderbird, outlook, apple mail, evolution, etc) connect you automatically the ISP's dont hand out certificates. Check if the cert.pem symlink points to something like this: [root@kiera tls]# pwd /etc/pki/tls [root@kiera tls]# ls -l total 16 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root49 Nov 1 14:11 cert.pem - /etc/pki/ca-trust/extracted/pem/tls-ca-bundle.pem drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 4096 Aug 8 15:02 certs drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root93 Jun 5 21:38 misc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10923 Jun 5 15:07 openssl.cnf drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root26 Jun 5 21:18 private And is this a recent change because about a year ago I tried mutt from Homebrew on a Mac and it worked then and I was asked to accept the certificate. Yes, you're right, it should. Tried it some minutes ago. Since I'm neither using a Fedora mutt nor a Fedora openssl, my setup might not be transferable. If the certificate is in place, maybe you could invoke openssl directly, to see what causes the negotiation failure? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: gnutls, openssl and compiling mutt
On 01.11.2014, Alexander Volovics wrote: And then we might be talking about different things. These might be general certificates. When I connected to my ISP with mutt the first time and I had to accept a certificate I had the impression that a personal certificate was generated to identify ME to the server in the future. And this certificate was saved by mutt in a file ~/.mutt_certificates. Nope. When you connect to your mailserver for the first time and its certificate can not be validated (e.g. because there's a missing link to /etc/pki/tls et al.), mutt asks you to either accept it once, for alltime or to discard it. In case you choose to accept it for all time, it get's stored in ~/.mutt-certs. From now on, mutt will accept this certificate because *you* told it to do. This certificate carries a signature of the ca-cert which has issued it, but mutt was unable to verify it. Thus asking you to decide. The muttrc manpage also mentions the following config variables: 'ssl_ca_certificates_file' 'ssl_client_cert'. But these also do not work with my Fedora '.mutt_certificates' file. ssl_ca_certificates_file is meant to point to something like the tls-ca-certificates.pem file. But it does only work when compiled with --with-gnutls. I don't expect it will do any good to copy the general certificates to the Mac. Are there any CA-certificates installed on the Mac which are available to mutt? If not, it could be the cause of your problem. And then the situation is complicated by using Linux programs in OsX via the Homebrew setup. I have noe clue :-) Also, ich stecke tief in die scheisse :) Det finnes en løsning til alt. Although I'm German, I've been living in Norway a long time (und ich glaube nicht, dass du sooo tief in *der* Sch steckst) ;-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Alternative for acroread (Adobe Reader) in LINUX?
On 17.10.2014, Joachim Backes wrote: Let me give a résumé: unfortunately, some time Win is needed, especially for such PDF stuff. yum install xournal -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can't re-create initrd
On 10.10.2014, CLOSE Dave wrote: What am I doing wrong? You could use dracut to recreate your initramfs? Works flawlessly (here as a test, with an old kernel): [root@kiera boot]# dracut -v -f initramfs-3.16.3-rc1.img I: *** Including module: i18n *** I: *** Including module: drm *** I: *** Including module: plymouth *** I: *** Including module: kernel-modules *** I: *** Including module: resume *** I: *** Including module: rootfs-block *** I: *** Including module: terminfo *** I: *** Including module: udev-rules *** I: *** Including module: biosdevname *** I: *** Including module: systemd *** I: *** Including module: usrmount *** I: *** Including module: base *** I: *** Including module: fs-lib *** I: *** Including module: shutdown *** I: *** Including modules done *** I: *** Installing kernel module dependencies and firmware *** I: *** Installing kernel module dependencies and firmware done *** I: *** Resolving executable dependencies *** I: *** Resolving executable dependencies done*** I: *** Pre-linking files *** I: *** Pre-linking files done *** I: *** Hardlinking files *** I: *** Hardlinking files done *** I: *** Stripping files *** I: *** Stripping files done *** I: *** Creating image file *** I: *** Creating image file done *** I: Wrote /boot/initramfs-3.16.3-rc1.img: I: -rw--- 1 root root 9672264 Oct 11 08:59 /boot/initramfs-3.16.3-rc1.img -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what causes: kernel:[38405.042543] do_IRQ: 0.81 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)
On 04.10.2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Anecdotally also, it appears to be true. Without the resume = UUID stuff, it does not wake up from hibernate but goes on to reboot. I tried both with and without the resume device in grub.conf, and my system showd identical behaviour: it went into hibernation, and after pressing the start button, it began to boot and finally loaded the image from the disk. It has always been this way for me. Just curious, since I have little experience with hibernation: is there something which should have happened instead? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what causes: kernel:[38405.042543] do_IRQ: 0.81 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)
On 06.10.2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote: What is the difference between the Fedora vanilla kernels (as described in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kernel_Vanilla_Repositories) and the kernel on kernel.org, would you happen to know? As far as I can see from the description, these are the unmodified original kernels from kernel.org. Btw, maybe my bug reports did not address the correct component (kernel) but they have not been assigned yet. (Should I file under irqbalance?) No. Most probably, it's a kernel bug. It could be a bug somewhere else which triggers this one. Historically, such bugs didn't occur when irqbalance was disabled, but this does not automatically mean that it's irqbalance itself which is buggy. http://ur1.ca/iawmi - http://paste.fedoraproject.org/139547/00617141 Reading your dmesg dump, I'm not convinced that the irq handler is what causes you problems. Some years ago, the code was modified that the missing interrupt was ACKed, thus letting the machine proceed. However, you have a seriously segfaulting browser (firefox?) which corrupts the memory. The general protection fault could even be caused by a null pointer dereference. I guess that's the problem. In addition, are you at F22? Your dmesg says you're using a 3.17.0-0.rc7.git2.1.fc22.x86_64 kernel. When compiling a kernel source rpm meant for F22 on a F20 system, the package would be tagged fc20. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what causes: kernel:[38405.042543] do_IRQ: 0.81 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)
On 03.10.2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote: How does one go down to a 3.15.10 kernel? I could try that and see, I guess. Would it also downgrade the headers, etc? If you install a Fedora kernel: yes. I think: if you're able to reproduce the error easily, you should try to bisect the patch which introduced the faulty behaviour. This would only make sense with a vanilla kernel. The first step would be to find a kernel which isn't problematic, and the first one which is. Here's how to do it: http://www.reactivated.net/weblog/archives/2006/01/using-git-bisect-to-find-buggy-kernel-patches/ Alternatively, could you try latest mainline (3.17-rc7) and check if the problem persists? Maybe it's solved there. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what causes: kernel:[38405.042543] do_IRQ: 0.81 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)
On 04.10.2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote: How does one do this? Most probably, a yum downgrade will do it. I've never used any Fedora (or other distro) kernels longer than during the installation, so I've no experience. Also, what is the difference between the Fedora and vanilla kernels? I guess the kernel folks of every distribution add some distribution-related patches to it which aren't in mainline. Should I go here to get it? [] In that case, you should download your kernels directly from kernel.org. It's not a big deal to compile a kernel on your own. 1. Download e.g. the latest mainline kernel from kernel.org 2. Unpack it into /usr/src 3. Copy the latest .config from your actual Fedora kernel (/boot) into the root of the kernel sourcetree 4. make oldconfig (maybe you have to configure some new options here) 5. make 6. make modules_install 7. make install 8. Reboot your new kernel This kernel lives peacefully alongside your Fedora kernels, and you can delete the respective files under /boot, the sourcetree and the modules in /lib/modules/ if you want to remove it. You do not damage your Fedora kernel installation or the like. It's safe. If you want to bisect, the steps to compile the cloned kernel sources are the same as above. Btw: there hasn't been any update to -stable in nearly 2 weeks, because the stable maintainer was too busy to push out a new release during this period. However, 3.16.4-rc1 was released today and will soon be transferred into 3.16.4. Btw2: didn't disabling irqbalance workaround the phenomenon? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what causes: kernel:[38405.042543] do_IRQ: 0.81 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)
On 04.10.2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Does grub not have to be updated also? How does one do that? No. Your kernel gets installed by make install. Grub.cfg will also be updated. After make install, you're done and ready to boot your new kernel. No need for further (grub) action. I see: makes sense! Btw, 3.16.4-rc1 is not available on www.kernel.org. https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/stable-review/patch-3.16.4-rc1.xz The patches for the stable review are not showed on the kernel.org main page, they live in the stable-review subdirectory as shown above. What is the difference between this and 3,17-rc7? 3.17 is the mainline kernel which is under actual development, and will be the stable kernel once released and updated. Soon after 3.17 is released, the merge window opens, which is the time the developers are sending new patches to Linus. After 3.18-rc1 is released, the merge window closes, and usually only bug fixes are accepted then. Important fixes will be backported to the stable kernel trees, thus the different minor version number releases. In short: the actual mainline kernel is the one which is most up-to-date (3.17 will be released soon..). What I don't quite understand is that there seem to be no issues when the system is rebooted. But issues arise only upon a wakeup from hibernate. Which I did, as advised in the mailing list here, doing the following: [] With grub2, an additional resume boot parameter is not needed, as long as your swap partition is properly formatted (mkswap, swapon) and referred to in fstab when installing your kernel. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what causes: kernel:[38405.042543] do_IRQ: 0.81 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)
On 30.09.2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Thanks! I will do that right now. This only happens to me on a wakeup from hibernate and with one new laptop (Dell Precision M3800). If this gives you problems, you could try to disable irqbalance to work around. Otherwise, I would have ignored the message (which is kind of a warning, if I remember the source correctly - there were hard lockups some years ago, and AFAIR the code around the missing interrupt for a certain cpu vector (take a look into irq.c) was modified to ack the missing interrupt, giving the system a chance to proceed. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Please keep F20 up-to-date (if you can't hold release dates)
On 01.10.2014, Gerhard Hueller wrote: I did that, but rawhide is built with debug compiler options and therefore notably slower While I'm not convinced that there is any significantly slowdown in real use caused by DEBUG, you can do it the easy way: take a look at koji.fedoraproject.org, take one of the most actual mesa versions, and recompile it. E.g. this one compiles fine on F19, so it should do the same on F20: mesa-10.3-1.20140927.fc21.src.rpm. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what causes: kernel:[38405.042543] do_IRQ: 0.81 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)
On 01.10.2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Unfortunately, there are hard lockups. Then, you should definitely report this to the Fedora kernel folks. You can also try with a vanilla kernel from kernel.org, and if the problem persists, you could report it directly to the linux kernel mailing list. How do I disable irqbalance? You can do a yum remove irqbalance or a systemctl disable irqbalance.service. And add acpi_irq_nobalance to the kernel boot parameters in grub.conf. And there appears to be no irq.c on my system. It should be in the arch/x86/kernel/ directory of your kernel sourcetree. It's been quite a while I tried to understand this area of the kernel. [] I did submit a bug report yesterday but it has not been assigned yet. Looks like an obscure issue. This (and/or similar bugs) are going on for a while. I remember those hard lockups from quite a few years back in time (at least in the 2.6 generation). Not sure if they have the same origin/cause, though. If I remember this correctly, both a racy irq migration code as well as a faulty BIOS were discussed. Maybe there is a BIOS update for your machine? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: what causes: kernel:[38405.042543] do_IRQ: 0.81 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)
On 30.09.2014, Ranjan Maitra wrote: kernel:do_IRQ: 0.81 No irq handler for vector (irq -1) Could be a bug in the irq migration code. You should report this to the Fedora kernel maintainers. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 5tFTW: F21 Alpha, Shellshock, Schedule Docs Update, Flock 2015 Locations, and a Fedora User Committee idea (2014-09-26)
On 29.09.2014, Rahul Sundaram wrote: You can do whatever you are doing now. Fedora is just focusing on an particular set of products. Thanks Matthew and Rahul for explaining this. Although my main DE (awesome) is easily installable on nearly any distribution, I love XFCE. I'll definitely install one of my machines with F21 and take a closer look. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: boot fedora 20 from usb
On 26.09.2014, Paolo De Michele wrote: the shell command is: dd if=/dir/file.iso of=/dev/sdx1 bs=1M Run isohybrid on the image before dd'ing it. It's in the syslinux package. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 5tFTW: F21 Alpha, Shellshock, Schedule Docs Update, Flock 2015 Locations, and a Fedora User Committee idea (2014-09-26)
On 26.09.2014, Matthew Miller wrote: This will be our first release with distinct Cloud, Server, and Workstation products How do they actually differ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: 5tFTW: F21 Alpha, Shellshock, Schedule Docs Update, Flock 2015 Locations, and a Fedora User Committee idea (2014-09-26)
On 27.09.2014, Rahul Sundaram wrote: It has been extensively explained earlier and summarized posted on a weekly basis here as well. In case you missed it: [] Thanks, I've already read them all. However, some of the information given is not precise enough or could be misinterpreted. For ex., to me it looks like that the GNOME desktop will be the only DE supported (and installable). From what I've read, it goes very much in a way which I don't like (appifying Linux and more). Since I've not yet done the upgrade to F20 and since there's only one of my machines left which actually runs Fedora, I guess that's it for me so far. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f21 workstation(gnome) ping fedora servers every 300seconds
On 23.09.2014, Eliezer Croitoru wrote: If a ping every 300 secs(ICMP\HTTP\HTTPS 1\2)Will consume bandwidth and can be disabled using a basic FW rules(from a network level). This is clearly the wrong way to do it, e.g. fixing the symptoms rather than the root cause of the problem itself. And there should be a way to disable this feature Yes, it's mentioned here in this thread. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Recommended format for external hard disk
On 22.09.2014, Ed Greshko wrote: Does anyone actually just copy files from their system to a backup drive? Yes, at least I do. When data is compressed, a single bit flip can render te whole archive useless. So therefore I just copy the whole thing. It's easy, reliable and fast. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Recommended format for external hard disk
On 22.09.2014, ergodic wrote: Mostly I use rsync and dcfldd In my case, it's all very simple. I'm using rsync -avxHSAX --delete /source/ /target after having done an integrity check. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: WiFi Tx power question
On 20.09.2014, Doug wrote: First: Higher power does NOT increase noise in the signal. It just increases the amount of radio frequency energy in the general area, which may be noise to some _other_ piece of equipment. Yes, you are right. I was imprecise. What I meant is that barely increasing Tx power is not verly likely to help. Increasing it over the limit does more harm than good, leading to unstable connections and data loss. The Tomato firmware wikibook says: Transmit Power: Sets the transmit power in milliwatts. High settings may cause nonlinearity in the transmitter causing loss of data, interference to other users and channels, and a high “noise floor”. It may also overheat and shorten the life of the transmitter. I have experienced that myself while experimenting with it. A subtle increase did no harm, but was no improvement either. Increasing the Tx power further lead to a big amount of retransmissions and decreased speed. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: WiFi Tx power question--more
On 20.09.2014, Doug wrote: A better location will probably be somewhere up above all the clutter around your work-station. Try it up about head-height or higher, on a little bracket or shelf on the wall. This is what I did some time ago and what worked for me. Btw: I'm using an external USB adapter. It's a TP-Link TL-WDN4200: Bus 002 Device 008: ID 148f:3573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT3573 Wireless Adapter [root@kiera ~]# uname -a Linux kiera.fritha.org 3.16.3-rc1 #2 SMP PREEMPT Tue Sep 16 11:21:20 CEST 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux Dmesg says: [ 869.670426] ieee80211 phy2: rt2x00_set_rt: Info - RT chipset 3593, rev 0402 detected [ 869.704359] ieee80211 phy2: rt2x00_set_rf: Info - RF chipset 000d detected [ 869.705165] ieee80211 phy2: Selected rate control algorithm 'minstrel_ht' [ 869.730305] ieee80211 phy2: rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Info -Loading firmware file 'rt2870.bin' [ 869.730351] ieee80211 phy2: rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Info -Firmware detected - version: 0.29 Iwconfig says: wlan1 IEEE 802.11abgn ESSID:Moonshine Mode:Managed Frequency:5.66 GHz Access Point: 00:46:30:22:C8:76 Bit Rate=173.3 Mb/s Tx-Power=23 dBm Retry short limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality=49/70 Signal level=-61 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 Setting the txpower using iwconfig works fine, but not above 23 dBm, which also is the standard for this adapter on 5 GHz. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: WiFi Tx power question
On 19.09.2014, jd1008 wrote: Bit Rate=72.2 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm So, reason I am asking is that I would like to increase Tx power to 30dBm due to poor connectivity with the hotspot router. There are two barriers: 1. the capability of your adapter 2. CRDA For most countries, 2.4 GHz is limited to 15 dBm, so iwconfig won't help. The only thing you can do is to check if your router has WMM enabled for the 2.4 GHz band. If so, you have a chance that your adapter can use HT/VHT (aka 802.11n/ac), which in turn allows a slightly higher tx power (but quite sure not 30 dBm). Btw: increased tx power also leads to increased noise. You should consider other ways to improve the connectivity to your AP (miving it closer, using a repeater...) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: is it the future?
On 10.09.2014, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: Can you point out a place where those refutes can be found? I want to see how one goes about refuting an objective statement. Yes, that would be interesting. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Secure Transactions
On 01.09.2014, Tod Merley wrote: So lets say I do see a wrong fingerprint. As in ghost busting who am I gonna call!? The person(s) who is/are responsible for the bank/netshop whatever you're trying to communicate with. In most cases, they could connect you with whoever operates the website/-server. They can give you an authoritative answer on the certificate, e.g. if it has been replaced, or if it's still the same. In any case, don't enter any credentials, don't proceed if you encounter a fingerprint mismatch, and you're safe for now. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: f21 workstation(gnome) ping fedora servers every 300seconds
On 31.08.2014, bitlord wrote: There is a new feature introduced in Gnome and NetworkManager which allows 'Captive Portal'[1] services to work. This may be useful feature for some users (that is why it is implemented), but most users won't use it, and it pings fedora servers every '300seconds' Thanks a lot for bringing this to our attention. Although F21 is not a final release, it will be some day, and I'm glad you reported it here. I think most of the subscribers here are not subscribed to any development list.. At the moment users aren't aware of this feature, and most users probably never will find it working in the background, but I think it shouldn't be enable by default silently [] You're absolutely right. I'm perfectly clear that F21 is still under development, and this behaviour thus can be changed for the final release. Nevertheless, silently introducing a constant pinger will make me frustrated if this will be the standard behaviour in F21 final. From now on, I'll monitor future Fedora releases via external hardware for all suspicious or unwanted traffic. Such behaviour is absolutely unacceptable to me. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Secure Transactions
On 31.08.2014, Tod Merley wrote: I am simply seeking thoughts on the basic approach, alternatives, other things to do to make a secure transaction environment. When logging into your bank account (or the like) the very first time, make a copy of its certificate/fingerprint. Every time you connect, verify the certificates fingerprint first. If it differs, take contact with your bank to make sure that it was changed. Do not enter anything. This procedure will make it impossible to phish or MITM'ing your credentials. Second: use a good password manager, e.g. keepassx or the like. Unlike others in this thread, I would not recommend you to install all these add-ons, but trying to keep your system as native as possible. The more you add, the more you risk to be exploitable and to encounter bugs. Just my 5ø. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Secure Transactions
On 31.08.2014, Tim wrote: Ideally, for things like banking, you really want to know the fingerprint ahead of your first use. They should really give you a hard copy of what to expect when you set up your account / get a new card. I've never seen that a bank has recommended checking the certificates fingerprint, despite tons of articles in newspapers and on the web reporting about phishing. Phishing is not a problem if everybody would check the fingerprint before entering any credentials. You can clone-copy a website, but you can't fake the fingerprint of the certificate. It's that easy, and thus not understandable to me why there is ongoing discussion about phishing. Not that I think global dissemination of how to check the certificates fingerprint would eliminate it, but it would at least reduce it drastically. The security of personal banking is terrible, anyway. e.g. Try phoning them up for help, but be unable to recall your password. They'll help you too much. At least my bank does a f*cking sh*t if I don't appear in person and show them my identity card. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Secure Transactions
On 31.08.2014, Tod Merley wrote: Thank you.. You're welcome! Btw: for those few who do not immediately know how to localize/check the fingerprint of the certificate a website is using: 1. Go to the login dialog on the site you wish to enter 2. Don't insert any credentials! 3. Firefox: click on the padlock shown in the left side of the address bar 4. Click on More information - View certificate 5. Take a screencopy - done! If you don't trust the site at your first use (5.), you should verify that the shown information really is genuine by contacting the bank/netshop etc.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Secure Transactions
On 01.09.2014, Tod Merley wrote: General question - can one spoof a certificate? I suppose man in the middle is simply nasty. You can't spoof a certificate, but create one on your own and present it as the real one when you're the man in the middle. Therefore the fingerprint check. Once you have the fingerprint of the genuine certificate of the site you're communicating with, you can easliy detect any MITM, because it is not possible to produce two certificates with the same fingerprint (unless the crypto used is broken). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Secure Transactions
On 01.09.2014, jd1008 wrote: As I said, the caveat of all add-on is that they are just as mysterious with respect to their actual content as FF itself - and for that matter, Windows and Linux and Unix/variants, are just as mysterious. I say this because even with open source software, does anyone really have the time (AND THE KNOW-HOW) to identify malware in opensotource? It's all about trust and your thread model. There are no guarantees, as you just explained why. You can review the suspicious code yourself, and if you're not able to do so, you have to trust others. There is no 100% security. Tens or perhaps hundreds of millions of lines of code (including all the apps and libraries). Who is going to do this kind of sanitization?? The community which develops the respective piece of software. Most open source software is not a solo-project, especially not the big ones. Look at the kernel itself: there are thousands of volunteers which contribute, and every piece of code is posted on a mailing list in order to be reviewed by others. This is no guarantee either, but an actual review of the code. I posit that if there is an honest to truth company that can do this (sanitize all open source SW of Linux), would and could charge arms and legs for such a product. Please repeat with me: there is no 100% security ;-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: md5 encryption
On 28.08.2014, dustin kempter wrote: hi all, I just had a question. so I have been hearing that md5 has been compromised, how much of a security threat does this impose? MD5 is not used for encryption. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5 for further details and for what md5 actually is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ext4 error messages
On 24.08.2014, Heinz Diehl wrote: After that, boot from an external medium (e.g. a CD/DVD/USB-stick).. http://www.sysresccd.org You could burn the image onto a CD, or copy it to an USB-stick. One way to create a bootable USB-stick is to run isohybrid on the .iso image (isohybrid is in the syslinux package), and then cat'ing it to the stick. e.g.: 1. isohybrid sysresccd-image.iso 2. cat sysresccd-image.iso /dev/sdX (where sdx is your USB-stick) Alternatively, you could use a Fedora install or live CD/DVD and boot into the rescue system. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ext4 error messages
On 24.08.2014, jd1008 wrote: However, I found no files in /sdb3/lost+found [] At this point I do not have any EXT4-fs error messages in the output of dmesg and in the file /var/log/messages. Great! Seems you have a healthy filesystem now. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: ext4 error messages
On 23.08.2014, jd1008 wrote: https://www.sendspace.com/file/ym076o You have some old inodes in the inode hash list which have the same inode number. In addition, your filesystem metadata are corrupted. I assume you have a backup of all your important data on this partition? If not, try to copy whats important to you first. After that, boot from an external medium (e.g. a CD/DVD/USB-stick) and run e2fsck on this partition. Be prepared to find a bunch of files in lost+found. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Can fstrim work on read only mounts?
On 17.08.2014, Ali Alipoor.R wrote: 1- can fstrim work on read only mounted partitions? No. On partitions mounted ro, nothing gets deleted, and thus there is no need for discard. 2- can discard and ro options be mixed in fstab? Yes, but this makes no sense. I've read the other answers you got in this thread. I've been using SSD drives nearly two years, all of its partitions are mounted with discard enabled, and didn't encounter any sideeffects. So despite some folks are advising against using the discard mount option, it depends on what's important for you and how your system behaves. In short: you have to try for yourself what fits your needs. Btw: great that there's proof for at the discard mount option can result in lower performance. But, as always, this doesn't take into account if and to what degree this affects real life behaviour, which also varies between the respective real life situations... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Mesa-10.2.5 was released - while Fedora still ships 10.1 :/
On 15.08.2014, Bruno Wolff III wrote: Are you sure you're not counting rpms? It looks like there are 4 packages that have mesa as the start of their name. There will be some others that need to get rebuilt in order to link with the updated mesa. I can believe that the latter set could get you over 20 packages. [htd@kiera ~]$ rpm -qa | grep -i mesa mesa-libGL-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.i686 mesa-libglapi-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.i686 mesa-filesystem-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.x86_64 mesa-libEGL-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.x86_64 mesa-libGLU-9.0.0-4.fc19.x86_64 mesa-libglapi-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.x86_64 mesa-libEGL-devel-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.x86_64 mesa-libGLU-9.0.0-4.fc19.i686 mesa-dri-drivers-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.x86_64 mesa-libgbm-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.i686 mesa-libgbm-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.x86_64 mesa-libxatracker-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.x86_64 mesa-libGLU-devel-9.0.0-4.fc19.x86_64 mesa-libGL-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.x86_64 mesa-libGL-devel-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.x86_64 mesa-libEGL-9.2.4-1.20131128.fc19.i686 Wrt the mix of 32/64 bit packages (on my system), I would consider rebuilding them a nightmare.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: encrypted partition
On 28.07.2014, Patrick Dupre wrote: I have an encrypted (LUKS) partition and fedora did not offer me to mount it. How can I mount it manually? man cryptsetup cryptsetup open /dev/sdx test mount /dev/mapper/test /some-dir -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: PWM fan speed too high
On 24.07.2014, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: But I can refrain from trying a kernel recompile which I last did a decade or so ago (although, as far as I can remember, this is not such a kind of rocket science as one might guess from the recent thread on new kernel rebooting). This would be a perfect chance to update your kernel skills :-) The offending patch (as suggested here; I don't have any nvidia graphics and thus can't verify the effect) reverts cleanly from latest -stable (cat patch.diff -p1 -R) http://tinyurl.com/mz4vsr8 I guess the Fedora kernel .src.rpm compiles just fine doing a rpmbuild -bb on the .spec file. So this should not be of any problem. So I'll wait until a clever patch finds its way into the (Fedora-)kernel. Meanwhile I stick to the 3.14-kernel. According to git, 3.14 has been released 30 mar 2014. The offending patch has been committed 26 mar 2014.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: PWM fan speed too high
On 25.07.2014, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: What an effort in time and disk space just to change a few bytes of code! It takes no time when you already have a complete kernel tree :-) You can just apply the patch, type make and your're done within a minute. Otherwise, if you plan to recompile a few times more, setting up ccache could be a good idea. https://ccache.samba.org/ But I finally succeeded in building and installing a (reversely) patched kernel package: kernel-3.15.6-200.fan.fc20.x86_64, with the hopefully expected result. Well done! Unfortunately, I have no nvidia graphics to test your work. But I'm shure the ones with problems here in this thread will give you some feedback. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: new kernels rebooting
On 21.07.2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: what is it I am symlinking?? the actual kernel?? If you need to: the root directory of the kernel source. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: new kernels rebooting
On 22.07.2014, Joe Zeff wrote: If you really need to put it on a spare partition, you can always move everything there from /usr/src and then mount that partition at /usr/src and go from there. And don't forget to take a look into /lib/modules and update the (now) incorrect symlinks to the build directory.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: new kernels rebooting
On 21.07.2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: Is it me, or does every other update lately seem to include a new kernel.. I thought linux was meant to stay up running. I seem to be rebooting weekly now, just for a new kernel. I've never used any Fedora kernel any longer than for the first install. When updating, I specify yum update --exclude=kernel*. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: new kernels rebooting
On 21.07.2014, poma wrote: Your expertise with kernel would be very welcome for the Fedora kernel also, when you offer Heinz. ;) Here's what I'm doing (and what I basically have been doing in many years): 1. Download a kernel from kernel.org 2. Extract it into /usr/src 3. Apply some minor patches 4. Copy my .config into the kernel sourcetree (alternatively make config, make menuconfig or thelike - in this case, you can of course omit 5.) 5. make oldconfig 5. make -j4 5. make modules_install 6. make install 7. reboot In short: a simple kernel compile/install. Your kernel will live peacefully alongside with your distribution kernel(s). For those who just want to try: a good starting point for a customized .config would be the .config of your distribution kernel (see /boot). When I'm configuring a kernel for a new machine, I usually load and connect my stuff and do a make localmodconfig and take this as a starting point for further customizing, as I'm (more or less) familiar with what I need and where I must look for it in the .config. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: new kernels rebooting
On 21.07.2014, poma wrote: Do you have any .config item worth mentioning, something you recommend or vice versa? Nope. Every config is different, and so is the machine which it will be installed on, and the preferences of the one who uses it. It's a learning experience for anybody who's new to the linux kernel which is well worth the effort to dig into kernel configuration. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: new kernels rebooting
On 21.07.2014, Tom H wrote: You'd be better off replacing the second step 5 by make rpm-pkg and the last step 5 and step 6 by rpm -i No, I wouldn't. My .config is highly customized, and the way I described just fits my needs perfectly. I'm quite aware of the possibility to build a kernel via rpm, but I don't want to do that. Just to make it clear: what I described is just what I do and have done. There's more than one way to do it. There's no wrong or right. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: new kernels rebooting
On 21.07.2014, Marko Vojinovic wrote: What is the purpose of installing a non-Fedora kernel, in your case? Coming from SLS, slackware and yggdrasil way back in time, it's how it has been for me all the time. I have my configs, scripts and so on. I kept them over time, and they just work :-) Also, when the new security/bugfix patches land into the kernel tree, do you recompile it again, or what? Most of the time, I recompile when a new stable rc hits kernel.org. Quite often, the rc doesn't differ from the release, or it differs in parts which doesn't affect me. So I'm just keeping the rc, being too lazy to recompile :-) How much time do you devote to kernel maintenance, on a monthly basis? I don't know. Sometimes it's more, sometimes less. I just copy my things over, read lkml as usual, and let the machine do the job. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: new kernels rebooting
On 21.07.2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: my / file system ran out of space. I had 5.8Gb free before I started this.. Your root partition is way too small for kernel development. [root@kiera src]# du -ch linux-3.15.6-rc1 [] 4.1G total -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: new kernels rebooting
On 21.07.2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: you say to put it in /usr/src. Can I put it in a spare partition that has more space?? does it need to be in /usr/src?? You can most probably have it where you want it to. If something expects it to be in /usr/src, you can create a symlink. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: new kernels rebooting
On 21.07.2014, Tom H wrote: The method that I suggested is right There's no wrong or right. It's just one way to do it (not mine). But of course, it can be the way for others. It's perfectly fine to build a kernel by using rpm an manage it using yum, but it's not what I prefer. because (and I made a mistake earlier and shouldn't have suggested that you use rpm) you can install your kernel with yum install ... and remove it with yum remove ... - and use it on more than one system if necessary. I install my kernel using make install, and remove it by deleting the sourcetree, kernel co. in /boot and its modules in /lib/modules/. It's what fits best for me. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: hbk file
On 18.07.2014, Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: Best result i have had so far was to upload the hbk back to my cell phone and then back it up with another application that would export the data i wanted in another format This one's free, without any advertising and backs up your messages in .XML format, which you can easily read in your browser and other free software. http://tinyurl.com/d44jaea -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: making fc20 backup
On 12.07.2014, Rick Stevens wrote: /proc, /sys and /dev are dynamically created at boot so backing them up is sort of a bad idea (well, backing them up is OK but restoring them would be bad). Why would this be bad? The content of those dirs is dynamically generated and of variable and often temporary nature. Thus, it shouldn't do any harm restoring them. You do not want to reply system data without a reboot anyway. Btw: rsync -avxHSAX /source/ /target will take care of it all, both on securing and restoring. No need to operate with exclude lists and similar. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.
On 12.07.2014, Rolf Turner wrote: (1) From time to time, for no reason that I can discern, Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribes all (or perhaps most of) my email folders and subfolders. [] This is surely not an answer you would expect, but: Thunderbird is badly suited to handle big amounts of mail. So if you are subscribing to some (a lot of?) mailing lists, you should consider using a MUA which is capable to handle them. I for myself use mutt when at home, and mew for IMAP access. If you like having a GUI, I would recommend sylpheed to you. There's some more of quite capable MUAs out there, just try them all and choose what you like the most. http://www.mutt.org/ http://www.mew.org/en/ http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?
On 12.07.2014, Bill Oliver wrote: But then, I guess Gentoo is the only distro left that hasn't adopted systemd, or will be doing so shortly. You could run Arch with openrc.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?
On 12.07.2014, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: C) Report a bug and be ignored, told to fsck off to someplace else, and be ridiculed to boot. I fully understand your reaction. I reported a (quite different) bug with systemd and got zero response. After some (longer) time, I finally got a reaction, which was a single comment accusing me for using a weird system/configuration (which was stock Fedora, by the way, and thus common for all Fedora users which used this feature). So next time I'll use my time to workaround future bugs or finding any other solution on my own rather than writing bug reports. And it's not accusing me for using a weird system which is the main cause, but the ignorance to even try to understand or to look deeper. My report wasn't worth it, obviously. After all, it's free software without any guarantee. A short message saying Well, I see, but unfortunately I've not the time to look at this any further or something similar would have been quite ok for me. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Regex broken??
On 09.07.2014, Stephen Davies wrote: 2. I hadn't noticed that all lines started with a space. Way back in 19-something (guess it was 1993) when I poked around with Powerbasic, I remember there was a function called trim(), which removed the whitespace on both ends of a string :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why do we use systemd?
On 06.07.2014, Balint Szigeti wrote: The only reason that I wanted to reach, make the system(s) better if we don't get rid of it. But keep in mind that there are alternatives. Thus, systemd isn't unavoidable. I'm permitting myself to mention that I've been using openrc on my Arch machine quite some time, and it works great.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: why do we use systemd?
On 07.07.2014, Edward M wrote: It may become problematic once KDBUS merges into the mainline kernel. http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html This thread showcases once more the all-dominating and rude attitudes of some of the systemd devs. At least, the kdbus merge is unlikely to happen in the near future :-) https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/4/2/420 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
