Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
On May 31, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Andy Kurth wrote: Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the CMS will be set up prior to graduation: Joe Schaefer added a comment - 30/May/12 16:49 Aren't you planning to graduate next month? I'd prefer not to create a CMS site for your incubator site if next month we have to throw all that away and start fresh. (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761) That's reasonable, IMO. As the site is migrated, please insure that we are conforming to the ASF branding requirements. If we need a pointer to ASF rules/policy, here -- can hunt down a pointer… --kevan
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Unfortunately, I'm not sure if the CMS will be set up prior to graduation: Joe Schaefer added a comment - 30/May/12 16:49 Aren't you planning to graduate next month? I'd prefer not to create a CMS site for your incubator site if next month we have to throw all that away and start fresh. (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761) -Andy On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: Just an update. We are waiting for the ASF infrastructure group to set up the CMS. The Jira issue I created on 5/7 has not been updated and I don't know of any work that has been done. I sent a message to the infrastructure list today asking about the status. -Andy On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: I created/committed the initial set of CMS files/directories: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/vcl/site I found 2 sets of instructions on how to do this, each suggests using a different set of template files: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#svn I used the files from the stanbol site as recommended on the CMS FAQ page since the files seemed to be a bit more configured. The only change I made was to replace stanbol with vcl wherever it existed. I made a request to infrastructure: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761 -Andy On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: I agree too. I believe we can request a new CMS site without affecting the existing website/Confluence. The getting started instructions are here: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ I have created a new Jira component called project website (Apache CMS) and an issue to track our own progress and to tag Subversion commits: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-583 I can work on adding the required layout to our Subversion space and create the infrastructure Jira request. Thanks, Andy On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Miller, Tony mill...@ecu.edu wrote: I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide alternatives, though, the current name for such things is static site generator. Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a reaction to heavy solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such tools: http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html -- Tony Miller Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University mill...@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips -Original Message- From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org Cc: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website? On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space. If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static. More info is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html -and- http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use. Aaron Coburn Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page. I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other project is using Sphinx: http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html -Andy On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler fapee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF CMS, especially if this the future direction. Aaron On Tue
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Just an update. We are waiting for the ASF infrastructure group to set up the CMS. The Jira issue I created on 5/7 has not been updated and I don't know of any work that has been done. I sent a message to the infrastructure list today asking about the status. -Andy On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: I created/committed the initial set of CMS files/directories: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/vcl/site I found 2 sets of instructions on how to do this, each suggests using a different set of template files: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#svn I used the files from the stanbol site as recommended on the CMS FAQ page since the files seemed to be a bit more configured. The only change I made was to replace stanbol with vcl wherever it existed. I made a request to infrastructure: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761 -Andy On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: I agree too. I believe we can request a new CMS site without affecting the existing website/Confluence. The getting started instructions are here: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ I have created a new Jira component called project website (Apache CMS) and an issue to track our own progress and to tag Subversion commits: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-583 I can work on adding the required layout to our Subversion space and create the infrastructure Jira request. Thanks, Andy On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Miller, Tony mill...@ecu.edu wrote: I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide alternatives, though, the current name for such things is static site generator. Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a reaction to heavy solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such tools: http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html -- Tony Miller Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University mill...@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips -Original Message- From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org Cc: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website? On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space. If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static. More info is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html -and- http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use. Aaron Coburn Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page. I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other project is using Sphinx: http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html -Andy On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler fapee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF CMS, especially if this the future direction. Aaron On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could use some improving. It is automatically generated from the Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL). I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up
RE: Rework the Apache VCL website?
I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide alternatives, though, the current name for such things is static site generator. Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a reaction to heavy solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such tools: http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html -- Tony Miller Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University mill...@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips -Original Message- From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org Cc: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website? On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space. If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static. More info is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html -and- http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use. Aaron Coburn Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page. I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other project is using Sphinx: http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html -Andy On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler fapee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF CMS, especially if this the future direction. Aaron On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could use some improving. It is automatically generated from the Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL). I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up. I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the ASF is moving away from it in favor of the ASF Content Management System. More information is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010 At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts? -Andy -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
I agree too. I believe we can request a new CMS site without affecting the existing website/Confluence. The getting started instructions are here: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ I have created a new Jira component called project website (Apache CMS) and an issue to track our own progress and to tag Subversion commits: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-583 I can work on adding the required layout to our Subversion space and create the infrastructure Jira request. Thanks, Andy On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Miller, Tony mill...@ecu.edu wrote: I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide alternatives, though, the current name for such things is static site generator. Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a reaction to heavy solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such tools: http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html -- Tony Miller Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University mill...@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips -Original Message- From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org Cc: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website? On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space. If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static. More info is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html -and- http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use. Aaron Coburn Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page. I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other project is using Sphinx: http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html -Andy On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler fapee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF CMS, especially if this the future direction. Aaron On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could use some improving. It is automatically generated from the Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL). I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up. I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the ASF is moving away from it in favor of the ASF Content Management System. More information is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010 At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts? -Andy -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
I created/committed the initial set of CMS files/directories: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/vcl/site I found 2 sets of instructions on how to do this, each suggests using a different set of template files: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html#svn I used the files from the stanbol site as recommended on the CMS FAQ page since the files seemed to be a bit more configured. The only change I made was to replace stanbol with vcl wherever it existed. I made a request to infrastructure: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4761 -Andy On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: I agree too. I believe we can request a new CMS site without affecting the existing website/Confluence. The getting started instructions are here: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCMSFAQ I have created a new Jira component called project website (Apache CMS) and an issue to track our own progress and to tag Subversion commits: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-583 I can work on adding the required layout to our Subversion space and create the infrastructure Jira request. Thanks, Andy On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Miller, Tony mill...@ecu.edu wrote: I agree, might as well use what Apache says. Just to provide alternatives, though, the current name for such things is static site generator. Believe it or not, it's become one of the hot topics on many of the web design podcasts and blogs that I follow (perhaps a reaction to heavy solutions like WordPress, perhaps a reaction to the current popularity of Github). Here's a site which lists many such tools: http://iwantmyname.com/blog/2011/02/list-static-website-generators.html -- Tony Miller Technology Consultant, ITCS, East Carolina University mill...@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips -Original Message- From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org Cc: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Rework the Apache VCL website? On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space. If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static. More info is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html -and- http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use. Aaron Coburn Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page. I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other project is using Sphinx: http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html -Andy On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler fapee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF CMS, especially if this the future direction. Aaron On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could use some improving. It is automatically generated from the Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL). I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up. I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the ASF is moving away from it in favor of the ASF Content Management System. More information is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html http
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space. If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static. More info is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html -and- http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page. I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other project is using Sphinx: http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html -Andy On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler fapee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF CMS, especially if this the future direction. Aaron On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could use some improving. It is automatically generated from the Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL). I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up. I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the ASF is moving away from it in favor of the ASF Content Management System. More information is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010 At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts? -Andy -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
On May 4, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Andy Kurth wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Aaron Coburn acob...@amherst.edu wrote: As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS? Yes, ASF hosts all project websites and provides server space. If/when we graduate, the podling website will be moved to vcl.apache.org. Apache provides a CMS but it is up to the community whether to use it or something else as long as the content is static. More info is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html -and- http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html Thanks, I read about Apache's CMS, and I don't see any compelling reason not to use that. It supports both HTML and Markdown formats. Updates are managed by subversion, and it seems like it will be easy to use. Aaron Coburn Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does create excellent sites, though. I also like Drupal but don't think it can be used due to the static requirement. We actually use this for NCSU's VCL front page. I'm not familiar with Sphinx. It looks like at least one other project is using Sphinx: http://chemistry.apache.org/python/docs/docs.html -Andy On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Aaron Peeler fapee...@ncsu.edu wrote: Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF CMS, especially if this the future direction. Aaron On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could use some improving. It is automatically generated from the Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL). I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up. I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the ASF is moving away from it in favor of the ASF Content Management System. More information is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010 At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts? -Andy -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Re: Rework the Apache VCL website?
Yes, I agree the site needs to be updated. I'm fine to move to ASF CMS, especially if this the future direction. Aaron On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Andy Kurth andy_ku...@ncsu.edu wrote: The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could use some improving. It is automatically generated from the Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL). I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up. I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the ASF is moving away from it in favor of the ASF Content Management System. More information is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010 At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts? -Andy -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
Rework the Apache VCL website?
The Apache VCL project website (https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL) could use some improving. It is automatically generated from the Confluence wiki site (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Apache+VCL). I'm not sure exactly how this works but some things have never worked quite right... small details such as the left nav bar not showing up. I'd like to start reworking the site and would like ideas/help from anyone interested. The first step would be to decide on an underlying platform/CMS. I have nothing against Confluence but the ASF is moving away from it in favor of the ASF Content Management System. More information is here: http://www.apache.org/dev/cms.html http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html Tools have been written to assist in migrating from Confluence to the ASF CMS. See the bottom of the wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/general/ApacheCms2010 At first glance this seems like a logical path to pursue. Thoughts? -Andy
