[videoblogging] Re: BSP: Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid? --SF Weekly

2006-04-23 Thread Heath



I am not sure what to think of this...but I will say this I don't 
think having a camera in hand and recording an event makes you 
a journalist.To me, the whole problem we have, as a whole, is 
that we no longer trust journalist's. You can very easily make the 
case that the era of objective journalism is gone. I know I hate 
looking at the tradional meadia for the news, I don't believe anyone 
is just reporting the news anymore. There are moments that it 
happens but by in large it feels that everyone has an agenda. That 
is why citizen journalist's concern me (to a degree). I do not 
know Josh, I have never been to his site or looked at his blogs but 
he said in one of the previous posts, 

I have created an excerpted video of what I saw
observing the demonstration. I can't really say that it isn't my
personal version of what transpired, but in a sense that's what news
is, an observers version of what they feel has transpired.

That is what bothers me, it IS his personal view of what happened and 
NO that is NOT what journalist's should be doing. Look I know that 
your opnion is going to creep into your work, but it doesn't mean 
that is SHOULD. If there is to be a changing of the guard or a stand 
so to speak on how traditional meadia reports...then we have to 
learn again how to be objective and report on the events with no 
prejudice or bias. Until that happens we are just people with 
cameras.but that is just my opinon..

PS I know some will say you can't be objective but we have to try, 
we have to try...

Heath - Batman Geek
http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com 



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Hey Josh, I think the short answer is Yes. I'm quaking with anger
 just reading this. You might not know who Jack Anderson was but the
 Feds are trying to do this to him and he's dead. 
 
 Anderson was a journalist who was able to dig deep and find out top
 secret infomation. The Feds are trying to go through his documents 
to
 obtain his papers and potential classified documents.
 
 More to the point, if I observe a situation that requires LAPD
 attendence and I record it that means I can expect a visit from J.
 Edgar's Boys? And LAPD? 
 
 Damnation. I don't like the choices that are presenting themselves.
 I'm recording no matter what! Oh man, I can't think straight.
 
 This is what I am confused about:
 
 If I am documenting a situation does that not make me a journalist?
 Doesn't matter how I do it, via pen, photo or video. At that point 
of
 creation doesn't the protections of journalists come into effect?
 
 If I have a body of work - either paid or unpaid that demostrates 
that
 I have done this activity for x-amount of time then I should be
 protected under various journalism protections. 
 
 Or if your local NBC station had the same video you did would the 
Fed
 show up at the station door? What would the news director tell them?
 
 The label profesional does not matter. When the early African
 American journalists of 1800 - 1900's could not or would not be
 published by the existing media they created their own. 
 
 They were not thought to be professionals by the mainstream white
 media at the time. Didn't matter. They were representing their
 communities that were not being servied by the publications of the 
time. 
 
 Are you not doing the same thing? Representing your community? 
 
 I have to go but this post has me all shook up. This is a good 
thing.
 Be safe Josh but do what you feel is right.
 
 And to our new federal lurkers,
 
 ...well, you know.
 
 Gena
 
 http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
 http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video
 
 
 
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Wolf inthecity@ wrote:
 
  Should journalist Josh Wolf be afraid?
  The Assistant U.S. Attorney, the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force, 
and 
  the SFPD want to get their hands on a video shot by a San 
Francisco 
  blogger
  By Ryan Blitstein
  
  http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2006-04-19/news/news.html
  At times, Josh Wolf is a journalist. At others, he's a blogger, 
an 
  activist, or an anarchist. At this particular time, one thing's 
for 
  certain: He's got a videotape the federal government wants.
  
  The 23-year-old San Franciscan possesses a tape that Assistant 
U.S. 
  Attorney Jeffrey Finigan deems essential to a grand jury 
  investigation of a protest last July that resulted in injuries to 
two 
  San Francisco Police Department officers.
  
  To Wolf, the government subpoena of his tape represents a threat 
to 
  his ability to gather news as an independent reporter. He 
believes 
  it's yet another reel cast in a Justice Department fishing 
expedition 
  that will stop at nothing to put his activist compatriots behind 
bars.
  
  To the government, however, Wolf is a misguided, self-important 
young 
  radical withholding evidence without legal justification. 
Regardless 
  of the outcome, Wolf's predicament raises questions about how 

[videoblogging] Re: BSP: Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid? --SF Weekly

2006-04-23 Thread Heath



Just as a point of clarification, I am commenting on the whole of 
this thread and not just one part of it. And I believe in 
what citizen journalism can become and to be honest I don't like 
what is happening to Josh. But I don't know if in my mind I would 
consider him a journalist...

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am not sure what to think of this...but I will say this I 
don't 
 think having a camera in hand and recording an event makes you 
 a journalist.To me, the whole problem we have, as a whole, is 
 that we no longer trust journalist's. You can very easily make 
the 
 case that the era of objective journalism is gone. I know I hate 
 looking at the tradional meadia for the news, I don't believe 
anyone 
 is just reporting the news anymore. There are moments that it 
 happens but by in large it feels that everyone has an agenda. That 
 is why citizen journalist's concern me (to a degree). I do not 
 know Josh, I have never been to his site or looked at his blogs but 
 he said in one of the previous posts, 
 
 I have created an excerpted video of what I saw
 observing the demonstration. I can't really say that it isn't my
 personal version of what transpired, but in a sense that's what news
 is, an observers version of what they feel has transpired.
 
 That is what bothers me, it IS his personal view of what happened 
and 
 NO that is NOT what journalist's should be doing. Look I know that 
 your opnion is going to creep into your work, but it doesn't mean 
 that is SHOULD. If there is to be a changing of the guard or a 
stand 
 so to speak on how traditional meadia reports...then we have to 
 learn again how to be objective and report on the events with no 
 prejudice or bias. Until that happens we are just people with 
 cameras.but that is just my opinon..
 
 PS I know some will say you can't be objective but we have to 
try, 
 we have to try...
 
 Heath - Batman Geek
 http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com 
 
 
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena compumavengal@ 
 wrote:
 
  Hey Josh, I think the short answer is Yes. I'm quaking with 
anger
  just reading this. You might not know who Jack Anderson was but 
the
  Feds are trying to do this to him and he's dead. 
  
  Anderson was a journalist who was able to dig deep and find out 
top
  secret infomation. The Feds are trying to go through his 
documents 
 to
  obtain his papers and potential classified documents.
  
  More to the point, if I observe a situation that requires LAPD
  attendence and I record it that means I can expect a visit from J.
  Edgar's Boys? And LAPD? 
  
  Damnation. I don't like the choices that are presenting 
themselves.
  I'm recording no matter what! Oh man, I can't think straight.
  
  This is what I am confused about:
  
  If I am documenting a situation does that not make me a 
journalist?
  Doesn't matter how I do it, via pen, photo or video. At that 
point 
 of
  creation doesn't the protections of journalists come into effect?
  
  If I have a body of work - either paid or unpaid that demostrates 
 that
  I have done this activity for x-amount of time then I should be
  protected under various journalism protections. 
  
  Or if your local NBC station had the same video you did would the 
 Fed
  show up at the station door? What would the news director tell 
them?
  
  The label profesional does not matter. When the early African
  American journalists of 1800 - 1900's could not or would not be
  published by the existing media they created their own. 
  
  They were not thought to be professionals by the mainstream white
  media at the time. Didn't matter. They were representing their
  communities that were not being servied by the publications of 
the 
 time. 
  
  Are you not doing the same thing? Representing your community? 
  
  I have to go but this post has me all shook up. This is a good 
 thing.
  Be safe Josh but do what you feel is right.
  
  And to our new federal lurkers,
  
  ...well, you know.
  
  Gena
  
  http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
  http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video
  
  
  
  
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Wolf inthecity@ 
wrote:
  
   Should journalist Josh Wolf be afraid?
   The Assistant U.S. Attorney, the FBI Joint Terrorism Task 
Force, 
 and 
   the SFPD want to get their hands on a video shot by a San 
 Francisco 
   blogger
   By Ryan Blitstein
   
   http://www.sfweekly.com/Issues/2006-04-19/news/news.html
   At times, Josh Wolf is a journalist. At others, he's a blogger, 
 an 
   activist, or an anarchist. At this particular time, one thing's 
 for 
   certain: He's got a videotape the federal government wants.
   
   The 23-year-old San Franciscan possesses a tape that Assistant 
 U.S. 
   Attorney Jeffrey Finigan deems essential to a grand jury 
   investigation of a protest last July that resulted in injuries 
to 
 two 
   San Francisco Police Department officers.
   
   To 

[videoblogging] Re: BSP: Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid? --SF Weekly

2006-04-23 Thread Enric



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just as a point of clarification, I am commenting on the whole of 
 this thread and not just one part of it. And I believe in 
 what citizen journalism can become and to be honest I don't like 
 what is happening to Josh. But I don't know if in my mind I would 
 consider him a journalist...
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote:
 
  I am not sure what to think of this...but I will say this I 
 don't 
  think having a camera in hand and recording an event makes you 
  a journalist.To me, the whole problem we have, as a whole, is 
  that we no longer trust journalist's. You can very easily make 
 the 
  case that the era of objective journalism is gone. I know I hate 
  looking at the tradional meadia for the news, I don't believe 
 anyone 
  is just reporting the news anymore. There are moments that it 
  happens but by in large it feels that everyone has an agenda. That 
  is why citizen journalist's concern me (to a degree). I do not 
  know Josh, I have never been to his site or looked at his blogs but 
  he said in one of the previous posts, 
  
  I have created an excerpted video of what I saw
  observing the demonstration. I can't really say that it isn't my
  personal version of what transpired, but in a sense that's what news
  is, an observers version of what they feel has transpired.
  
  That is what bothers me, it IS his personal view of what happened 
 and 
  NO that is NOT what journalist's should be doing. Look I know that 
  your opnion is going to creep into your work, but it doesn't mean 
  that is SHOULD. If there is to be a changing of the guard or a 
 stand 
  so to speak on how traditional meadia reports...then we have to 
  learn again how to be objective and report on the events with no 
  prejudice or bias. Until that happens we are just people with 
  cameras.but that is just my opinon..
  
  PS I know some will say you can't be objective but we have to 
 try, 
  we have to try...

I would say you can be objective. Science has shown the value of
objective observation and analysis. Because objectivity has mostly
been incompletely and incorrectly applied in journalistic
organizations, does not make a better outcome from abandoning it.

 -- Enric
 -==-
 http://www.cirne.com

  
  Heath - Batman Geek
  http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com 
  
  
  
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena compumavengal@ 
  wrote:
  
   Hey Josh, I think the short answer is Yes. I'm quaking with 
 anger
   just reading this. You might not know who Jack Anderson was but 
 the
   Feds are trying to do this to him and he's dead. 
   
   Anderson was a journalist who was able to dig deep and find out 
 top
   secret infomation. The Feds are trying to go through his 
 documents 
  to
   obtain his papers and potential classified documents.
   
   More to the point, if I observe a situation that requires LAPD
   attendence and I record it that means I can expect a visit from J.
   Edgar's Boys? And LAPD? 
   
   Damnation. I don't like the choices that are presenting 
 themselves.
   I'm recording no matter what! Oh man, I can't think straight.
   
   This is what I am confused about:
   
   If I am documenting a situation does that not make me a 
 journalist?
   Doesn't matter how I do it, via pen, photo or video. At that 
 point 
  of
   creation doesn't the protections of journalists come into effect?
   
   If I have a body of work - either paid or unpaid that demostrates 
  that
   I have done this activity for x-amount of time then I should be
   protected under various journalism protections. 
   
   Or if your local NBC station had the same video you did would the 
  Fed
   show up at the station door? What would the news director tell 
 them?
   
   The label profesional does not matter. When the early African
   American journalists of 1800 - 1900's could not or would not be
   published by the existing media they created their own. 
   
   They were not thought to be professionals by the mainstream white
   media at the time. Didn't matter. They were representing their
   communities that were not being servied by the publications of 
 the 
  time. 
   
   Are you not doing the same thing? Representing your community? 
   
   I have to go but this post has me all shook up. This is a good 
  thing.
   Be safe Josh but do what you feel is right.
   
   And to our new federal lurkers,
   
   ...well, you know.
   
   Gena
   
   http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com
   http://voxmedia.org/wiki/Video
   
   
   
   
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Wolf inthecity@ 
 wrote:
   
Should journalist Josh Wolf be afraid?
The Assistant U.S. Attorney, the FBI Joint Terrorism Task 
 Force, 
  and 
the SFPD want to get their hands on a video shot by a San 
  Francisco 
blogger
By Ryan Blitstein


[videoblogging] Re: BSP: Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid? --SF Weekly

2006-04-23 Thread Enric



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i would say that no source is 'objective'. all you can do is try to
be as
 objective as you can while acknowledging the biases you know you
have and
 being open to criticism for biases you don't.

That's what I would say is being objective. The way objectivity has
been used and defined in journalism is missleading and unusable. 
Objectivity is a standard to reach for, and rarely an absolute that
can be applied 100%.

 
 i find that the best thing for 'news' reporting is to have as many
different
 points of view from as many sources as possible - including traditional
 media (from a variety of coroporate/government sources) and 'citizen
 journalism'. then, you have to put these various points of view
together and
 arrive at your own conclusions.

Correct, personal reason and judgment is essentail to the process.

 
 of course, this can be a confusing and time intensive way to go
about it and
 most people won't do that. most people will go to the sources they trust
 (which usually means people who's world view are in sync with there's).

Or who demonstrate a high level of objectivity.


 
 i think that there was never a time when media creators were not
biased. we
 just know it now. i think what we are nostalgic for is, not so much
a lost
 objectivity as a lost innocence.

I'm not nostalgic for false objectivity. :)

 -- Enric
 -==-
 http://www.cirne.com

 
 On 4/23/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote:
  
   Just as a point of clarification, I am commenting on the whole of
   this thread and not just one part of it. And I believe in
   what citizen journalism can become and to be honest I don't like
   what is happening to Josh. But I don't know if in my mind I would
   consider him a journalist...
  
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote:
   
I am not sure what to think of this...but I will say this I
   don't
think having a camera in hand and recording an event makes you
a journalist.To me, the whole problem we have, as a
whole, is
that we no longer trust journalist's. You can very easily make
   the
case that the era of objective journalism is gone. I know I
hate
looking at the tradional meadia for the news, I don't believe
   anyone
is just reporting the news anymore. There are moments that it
happens but by in large it feels that everyone has an agenda.
 That
is why citizen journalist's concern me (to a degree). I do not
know Josh, I have never been to his site or looked at his
blogs but
he said in one of the previous posts,
   
I have created an excerpted video of what I saw
observing the demonstration. I can't really say that it isn't my
personal version of what transpired, but in a sense that's
what news
is, an observers version of what they feel has transpired.
   
That is what bothers me, it IS his personal view of what happened
   and
NO that is NOT what journalist's should be doing. Look I know
that
your opnion is going to creep into your work, but it doesn't mean
that is SHOULD. If there is to be a changing of the guard or a
   stand
so to speak on how traditional meadia reports...then we
have to
learn again how to be objective and report on the events with no
prejudice or bias. Until that happens we are just people with
cameras.but that is just my opinon..
   
PS I know some will say you can't be objective but we have to
   try,
we have to try...
 
  I would say you can be objective. Science has shown the value of
  objective observation and analysis. Because objectivity has mostly
  been incompletely and incorrectly applied in journalistic
  organizations, does not make a better outcome from abandoning it.
 
  -- Enric
  -==-
  http://www.cirne.com
 
   
Heath - Batman Geek
http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
   
   
   
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena compumavengal@
wrote:

 Hey Josh, I think the short answer is Yes. I'm quaking with
   anger
 just reading this. You might not know who Jack Anderson was but
   the
 Feds are trying to do this to him and he's dead.

 Anderson was a journalist who was able to dig deep and find out
   top
 secret infomation. The Feds are trying to go through his
   documents
to
 obtain his papers and potential classified documents.

 More to the point, if I observe a situation that requires LAPD
 attendence and I record it that means I can expect a visit
from J.
 Edgar's Boys? And LAPD?

 Damnation. I don't like the choices that are presenting
   themselves.
 I'm recording no matter what! Oh man, I can't think straight.

 This is what I am confused about:

 If I am documenting a situation does that not make me a
   journalist?
 Doesn't matter how I 

[videoblogging] Re: BSP: Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid? --SF Weekly

2006-04-23 Thread Enric



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  I'm not nostalgic for false objectivity. :)
 
 
 maybe it's just me! I miss the comfort of believing. It was so much
 easier to have strong opinions (and I love having those:) Now,
things are
 murkier. And cynical. Even if you tried to be 'objective'who would
 believe you?

Who would of believed Galileo? ;)

 
 
 On 4/23/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk
  desperatelymeasured@ wrote:
  
   i would say that no source is 'objective'. all you can do is try to
  be as
   objective as you can while acknowledging the biases you know you
  have and
   being open to criticism for biases you don't.
 
  That's what I would say is being objective. The way objectivity has
  been used and defined in journalism is missleading and unusable.
  Objectivity is a standard to reach for, and rarely an absolute that
  can be applied 100%.
 
  
   i find that the best thing for 'news' reporting is to have as many
  different
   points of view from as many sources as possible - including
traditional
   media (from a variety of coroporate/government sources) and 'citizen
   journalism'. then, you have to put these various points of view
  together and
   arrive at your own conclusions.
 
  Correct, personal reason and judgment is essentail to the process.
 
  
   of course, this can be a confusing and time intensive way to go
  about it and
   most people won't do that. most people will go to the sources
they trust
   (which usually means people who's world view are in sync with
there's).
 
  Or who demonstrate a high level of objectivity.
 
 
  
   i think that there was never a time when media creators were not
  biased. we
   just know it now. i think what we are nostalgic for is, not so much
  a lost
   objectivity as a lost innocence.
 
  I'm not nostalgic for false objectivity. :)
 
  -- Enric
  -==-
  http://www.cirne.com
 
  
   On 4/23/06, Enric enric@ wrote:
   
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote:

 Just as a point of clarification, I am commenting on the
whole of
 this thread and not just one part of it. And I believe in
 what citizen journalism can become and to be honest I
don't like
 what is happening to Josh. But I don't know if in my mind I
would
 consider him a journalist...

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@
wrote:
 
  I am not sure what to think of this...but I will say
this I
 don't
  think having a camera in hand and recording an event makes you
  a journalist.To me, the whole problem we have, as a
  whole, is
  that we no longer trust journalist's. You can very
easily make
 the
  case that the era of objective journalism is gone. I know I
  hate
  looking at the tradional meadia for the news, I don't believe
 anyone
  is just reporting the news anymore. There are moments
that it
  happens but by in large it feels that everyone has an agenda.
  That
  is why citizen journalist's concern me (to a degree). I
do not
  know Josh, I have never been to his site or looked at his
  blogs but
  he said in one of the previous posts,
 
  I have created an excerpted video of what I saw
  observing the demonstration. I can't really say that it
isn't my
  personal version of what transpired, but in a sense that's
  what news
  is, an observers version of what they feel has transpired.
 
  That is what bothers me, it IS his personal view of what
happened
 and
  NO that is NOT what journalist's should be doing. Look I know
  that
  your opnion is going to creep into your work, but it
doesn't mean
  that is SHOULD. If there is to be a changing of the guard
or a
 stand
  so to speak on how traditional meadia reports...then we
  have to
  learn again how to be objective and report on the events
with no
  prejudice or bias. Until that happens we are just people with
  cameras.but that is just my opinon..
 
  PS I know some will say you can't be objective but we
have to
 try,
  we have to try...
   
I would say you can be objective. Science has shown the
value of
objective observation and analysis. Because objectivity has
mostly
been incompletely and incorrectly applied in journalistic
organizations, does not make a better outcome from abandoning it.
   
-- Enric
-==-
http://www.cirne.com
   
 
  Heath - Batman Geek
  http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
 
 
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena compumavengal@
  wrote:
  
   Hey Josh, I think the short answer is Yes. I'm quaking
with
 anger
   just reading this. You might not know who Jack Anderson
was but
 the
   Feds are trying to do this to him and he's dead.
  
   Anderson was 

[videoblogging] Re: Songs in Vlogs

2006-04-23 Thread Andy Carvin



Creative Commons is a great way to go. There's a lot of good stuff out
there, like the entire catalogue of Magnatune Records
(www.magnatune.com). They're very supportive of vloggers and
podcasters; they gave me a code so I could download high-quality audio
of all of their albums. I've probably used a dozen or so albums in the
last few months... Just yesterday I finished editing a vlog about the
Monterey Bay Aquarium that uses over half a dozen tracks by Drop Trio,
so it feels like I've got Steven Soderbergh's composer working for me:

http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2006/04/the_monterey_bay_aqu_1.html

Andy Carvin
www.andycarvin.com


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, usadutch2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 A long list of music and sound links is here 
 
 http://www.vlogassist.com/viewforum.php?f=24
 
 I used http://www.artistserver.com/ a few times, they have tons of
 music with different kind of licenses.
 
 About the Creative commons licensing you can read more here; 
 http://creativecommons.org/audio/
 
 quote:
 Creative Commons helps you publish your work online while letting
 others know exactly what they can and can't do with your work.
 /quote
 
 
 Blips
 http://vlogassist.com Videoblogging resources
 http://vlogmatic.com
 
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mgmoon mgmoon@ wrote:
 
  I've been watching a fair number of vlogs lately and I want to find
  out about incorporating music as an overlay. 
  I see it all the time with vlogs have a copywritten song used in them
  to set the mood.
  What are the rules with respect to using copywritten media? 
  What can I get away with? 
  What's the unwritten, common sence standard out there?
  
  Thanks
  
  Mike (No relation to Keith) Moon
  http://moon.blogspot.com/
 











  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: BSP: Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid? --SF Weekly

2006-04-23 Thread Heath



And to be honest maybe objectivity was not always applied but I do 
think there were journalist's out there whom people trusted. I don't 
feel that is the case anymore. Can you name an organization or News 
outlet that is not biased? I know that I can't and it is blantent, 
that to me, is the main issue. 

Heath - Batman Geek
http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  I'm not nostalgic for false objectivity. :)
 
 
 maybe it's just me! I miss the comfort of believing. It was so 
much
 easier to have strong opinions (and I love having those:) Now, 
things are
 murkier. And cynical. Even if you tried to be 'objective'who 
would
 believe you?
 
 
 On 4/23/06, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk
  desperatelymeasured@ wrote:
  
   i would say that no source is 'objective'. all you can do is 
try to
  be as
   objective as you can while acknowledging the biases you know you
  have and
   being open to criticism for biases you don't.
 
  That's what I would say is being objective. The way 
objectivity has
  been used and defined in journalism is missleading and unusable.
  Objectivity is a standard to reach for, and rarely an absolute 
that
  can be applied 100%.
 
  
   i find that the best thing for 'news' reporting is to have as 
many
  different
   points of view from as many sources as possible - including 
traditional
   media (from a variety of coroporate/government sources) 
and 'citizen
   journalism'. then, you have to put these various points of view
  together and
   arrive at your own conclusions.
 
  Correct, personal reason and judgment is essentail to the process.
 
  
   of course, this can be a confusing and time intensive way to go
  about it and
   most people won't do that. most people will go to the sources 
they trust
   (which usually means people who's world view are in sync with 
there's).
 
  Or who demonstrate a high level of objectivity.
 
 
  
   i think that there was never a time when media creators were not
  biased. we
   just know it now. i think what we are nostalgic for is, not so 
much
  a lost
   objectivity as a lost innocence.
 
  I'm not nostalgic for false objectivity. :)
 
  -- Enric
  -==-
  http://www.cirne.com
 
  
   On 4/23/06, Enric enric@ wrote:
   
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ 
wrote:

 Just as a point of clarification, I am commenting on the 
whole of
 this thread and not just one part of it. And I believe in
 what citizen journalism can become and to be honest I 
don't like
 what is happening to Josh. But I don't know if in my mind 
I would
 consider him a journalist...

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ 
wrote:
 
  I am not sure what to think of this...but I will say 
this I
 don't
  think having a camera in hand and recording an event 
makes you
  a journalist.To me, the whole problem we have, as a
  whole, is
  that we no longer trust journalist's. You can very 
easily make
 the
  case that the era of objective journalism is gone. I 
know I
  hate
  looking at the tradional meadia for the news, I don't 
believe
 anyone
  is just reporting the news anymore. There are moments 
that it
  happens but by in large it feels that everyone has an 
agenda.
  That
  is why citizen journalist's concern me (to a degree). 
I do not
  know Josh, I have never been to his site or looked at his
  blogs but
  he said in one of the previous posts,
 
  I have created an excerpted video of what I saw
  observing the demonstration. I can't really say that it 
isn't my
  personal version of what transpired, but in a sense that's
  what news
  is, an observers version of what they feel has 
transpired.
 
  That is what bothers me, it IS his personal view of what 
happened
 and
  NO that is NOT what journalist's should be doing. Look I 
know
  that
  your opnion is going to creep into your work, but it 
doesn't mean
  that is SHOULD. If there is to be a changing of the 
guard or a
 stand
  so to speak on how traditional meadia reports...then 
we
  have to
  learn again how to be objective and report on the events 
with no
  prejudice or bias. Until that happens we are just people 
with
  cameras.but that is just my opinon..
 
  PS I know some will say you can't be objective but we 
have to
 try,
  we have to try...
   
I would say you can be objective. Science has shown the 
value of
objective observation and analysis. Because objectivity has 
mostly
been incompletely and incorrectly applied in journalistic
organizations, does not make a better outcome from abandoning 
it.
   
-- Enric
-==-
http://www.cirne.com
   
 
  Heath - Batman Geek
  

[videoblogging] I'm new to videoing, but I found help.

2006-04-23 Thread mgmoon



Hey folks,


I've been looking into improving my video taking techniques when I saw a show on G4TechTV called Torrents. Torrents is a show made up of different podcasts from around the world. 
The timing couldn't have
been more perfect because today's episode included a video from IzzyVideo, http://www.izzyvideo.com/
IzzyVideo is a vlog of video tutorials that help teach techniques
for better video taking through the use of examples and with the
simple and straightforward narration by Izzy. 
There are 26 videoes so far that teach from panning to lighting to filters and more.
Anyhow, great site, very helpful and just wanted to share with
others that might be looking on improving their video taking abilities.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Easy way to make mobile videos - and lose your copyright?

2006-04-23 Thread mary hodder



Hi Stephanie,
I believe, if you read the TOS, they are talking about downloading, 
where the downloader
can't lawfully redistribute work they or their partners own. 
Presumably, you would be a partner, if you created and uploaded 
something, that they then redistributed. For the act of distribution 
and reformatting, they would take some, and pass on the rest to you.

The TOS you mention here that is for downloaders and general users of 
their services:
http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac

is different than the one here which is for content owners who upload 
stuff to sell:
http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=signup
(the link is _javascript_.. with a popup window.. really kind of silly 
for a contract they'd like to be binding.. if there was a dispute.. 
it's likely a judge or mediator would agree that the popup nature of it 
meant that it was a very one sided contract, that was hard to link to 
or save in a reasonable way, and easy to overlook while thinking the 
TOS you sent to the list was the only TOS, so he would likely side 
against MyNuMo if he thought it was a onesided contract -- but 
nonetheless, you'll have to click it to get to this second TOS).

This other TOS for uploaders says:

 7.1 Mutual Representations and Warranties. You represent and warrant 
to MyNuMo.com and MyNuMo.com represents and warrants to you: (i) that 
you or it has the full power and authority to enter into and perform 
under these TAC, (ii) the execution and performance of your or its 
obligations under these TAC do not constitute a breach of or conflict 
with any other agreement or arrangement by which you or it is bound, 
and (iii) these TAC are a legal, valid and binding obligation of the 
party entering into these TAC, enforceable in accordance with their 
terms and conditions.

7.2 By You. You represent and warrant to MyNuMo.com that, in your use 
of the MyNuMo.com Service, you: (i) will not infringe the copyright, 
trademark, patent, trade secret, right of privacy, right of publicity 
or other legal right of any third party and (ii) will comply with all 
applicable laws, rules, and regulations. You further represent and 
warrant to MyNuMo.com that: (i) there are no claims, demands or any 
form of litigation pending, or to the best of your knowledge, 
threatened with respect to any of your Content; (ii) MyNuMo.com will 
not be required to make any payments to any third party in connection 
with its use of your Content, except for the expenses that MyNuMo.com 
incurs in providing the MyNuMo.com Service; (iii) the use of any 
instructions, formulae, recommendations, or the like contained in your 
Content will not cause injury to any third party; and (iv) your Content 
does not contain viruses or any other programs or technology designed 
to disrupt or damage any software or hardware.

In other words, MyNuMo.com is saying that you have to represent to them 
by agreeing here, that you own your stuff, and don't have lawsuits 
against it, before they can resell it and split the proceeds. And they 
are saying you continue to own it in the rest of the agreement.

Just because you partner with them to sell content, doesn't mean they 
own it, because you uploaded it to them. You definitely own your 
stuff, and you can definitely remove it and sell it elsewhere if you 
want to.

mary


On Apr 19, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Stephanie Bryant wrote:

 Yeah. The problem with these sites right now is that they don't have
 an interface where videobloggers can aggregate their vlogs to cell
 phone users for free.

 My ideal vision:
 A cell phone MMS gateway that your GP3-format RSS feed is mirrored to,
 and which includes enclosures as attachments. I haven't seen it yet,
 but I keep hoping.

 On 4/19/06, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is anyone actually buying content for mobile phones yet? I mean, the 
 vast
 majority of mobile phone users have to pay for bandwidth, right? And 
 then
 content, on top of that...It's way to expensive for most people right 
 now to
 both pay for mobile phone data charges *and* for the content itself. 
 I'd
 rather offer the content for free, being a mobile phone user 
 frustrated with
 the expensiveness of wanting content but not being able to afford it 
 on my
 device...

 Harold
 Something That Happened:
 a story presented in text, sound, and video
 http://SomethingThatHappened.com


 On 4/19/06, Andy Carvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, William Volk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This free site ... www.mynumo.com ... Automatically converts .mov,
 .mpg, and
 .avi files into mobile and lets you sell them to mobile phone users.

 Check it out.


 Have you read their user agreement?

 http://www.mynumo.com/general.php?inc=tac

 If I'm reading it right, it's worse than most of the ones I've seen.
 It makes no mention of you holding onto the rights of any content you
 upload - instead, it talks about them holding onto the rights:

 Service. You may use the Service 

[videoblogging] White screen at end of video

2006-04-23 Thread wazman_au



Hello video bloggers,

I've been using Videora iPod Converter with some success, but I keep
having a strange problem.

I usually put a brief end title, white text on black background, on
our videos. It displays for two or three seconds - usually just our
web address, or a short message.

I export an AVI of the whole movie and then use Videora to crunch it.
I'm finding that when I play on my PC the file that Videora outputs,
the end title is replaced by a white screen.

Any clues? I had this problem playing in iTunes and QuickTime, but on
my video iPod it played fine ... so is this a playback problem? Or
something to do with keyframes?

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[videoblogging] .swf or .flv

2006-04-23 Thread Gene



Hi Group,

Gene here. I'm just getting started with internet video, and was 
wondering if flash video is the way to go.

If so, can someone advise me of the difference, advantage or 
disadvantage between .swf format and .flv format? Which would you 
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Re: [videoblogging] I'm new to videoing, but I found help.

2006-04-23 Thread Chris Henry



Thanks for the site, I'm such a noob but want to get my VB right. best, Chris mgmoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hey folks,I've been looking into improving my video taking techniques when I saw a show on G4TechTV called Torrents. Torrents is a show made up of different podcasts from around the world. The timing couldn't have been more perfect because today's episode included a video from IzzyVideo, http://www.izzyvideo.com/ IzzyVideo is a vlog of video tutorials that help teach techniques for better video taking through the use of examples and with the simple and straightforward narration by Izzy. There
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[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question

2006-04-23 Thread David Howell



Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that.

http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm

It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted
material was rather empty.

David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's
right?
 
 However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make
any kind
 of derivative work, and then even copyright that work.
 
 Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure
 that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works.
 
 joly
 
 At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote:
 I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home
page in the 'featured videos' section.
 http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/
 
 I assume the particular Gumby video
http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain
because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of
complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on
the Archive before.
 
 Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to
create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I
may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In
otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own video, I
would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in
the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking,
but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and
say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for
instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant
deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral
problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead
of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new
Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop him.
Gumby could be reborn into a global star!
 
 Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain
Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and other
later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a
private entity?
 http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q
 
 I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby,
even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public
domain Gumby video.
 
 Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a
simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone
know what that would be?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] .swf or .flv

2006-04-23 Thread Anne Walk



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Re: [videoblogging] Politics threaten our free Internet

2006-04-23 Thread Brett Gaylor



I'd help, too.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question

2006-04-23 Thread andrew michael baron



David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses 
but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point:

Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a 
number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby 
cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few:
http://tinyurl.com/p283s


On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote:

 Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that.

 http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm

 It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted
 material was rather empty.

 David
 http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's
 right?

 However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make
 any kind
 of derivative work, and then even copyright that work.

 Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure
 that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works.

 joly

 At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote:
 I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home
 page in the 'featured videos' section.
 http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/

 I assume the particular Gumby video
 http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain
 because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of
 complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on
 the Archive before.

 Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to
 create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I
 may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In
 otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own video, I
 would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in
 the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking,
 but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and
 say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for
 instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant
 deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral
 problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead
 of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new
 Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop him.
 Gumby could be reborn into a global star!

 Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain
 Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and other
 later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a
 private entity?
 http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q

 I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby,
 even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public
 domain Gumby video.

 Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a
 simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone
 know what that would be?






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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid? --SF Weekly

2006-04-23 Thread Josh Wolf



Hey, I've been out and about and haven't had the opportunity to weigh 
in on this issue. As I see it, the situation is as follows: the 
assault on a police officer is a local (state) offense not a federal 
one, the federal government is asserting that their involvement in 
the case stems from the fact that a police car was vandalized and, as 
the car is paid in part by the federal government, they are seeking 
to transcend the protections afforded to me under the Califronia 
Shield law to obtain the footage.

I do not have footage of the officer being struck in the head and 
furthermore, I was filming the injured officers partner when the 
officer was struck therefore it is impossible that I would have 
footage of the altercation that resulted in the injury of Officer 
Shields.

In regards to the documentary in reference, I contend that this issue 
is significantly different from that of the one I am currently 
facing. For one thing, according to the Officer Shields own report of 
the incident, he was stuck in the head while attempting to strike the 
protester with his baton. If it had not been a police officer who was 
striking someone while struck with a blunt object, the situation 
would most likely be viewed under an entirely different frame of 
reference.

Josh


On Apr 24, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Daryl Watson wrote:

 Well I'm sure the doctors think the photographic image of the cops 
 fractured
 skull is 'objective' enough to believe it's real.

 When the Maysles Brothers made the documentary Helter Skelter, they 
 filmed a
 stabbing in the crowd. They didn't have a problem turning the 
 footage over
 to help an investigation.

 After viewing footage of the stabbing of Meredith Hunter police 
 identified
 Alan Passaro, a local Hell's Angel, as the man who did the stabbing,
 arrested him and charged him with murder. At his trial, however, 
 closer
 examination of the footage showed that Hunter had pulled a gun before
 Passaro pulled his knife. Passaro was acquitted on grounds of self- 
 defense.
 Quote: http://www.us.imdb.com/title/tt0065780/trivia

 That the Maysles obliged with the cops' request certainly hasn't 
 detracted
 from the quality of their documentary or their future work. (see 
 Quote:
 http://www.us.imdb.com/title/tt0065780/trivia)

 Josh Wolf may have footage of a guy having his skull fractured by 
 an unknown
 identity, but by calling the issue a challenge to the fundamental 
 rights of
 journalists sounds more like the guy who just wants to grandstand 
 and make a
 reputation as a journalist where there isn't one in the first place.

 Yeah yeah, it's about the principle...

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: BSP: Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid? --SF Weekly

2006-04-23 Thread Josh Wolf
Heath, whether or not I am a jounalist is secondary to the issue at  
hand, as the real question is actually whether I was participating in  
newsgathering. You've stated yourself that you have not visited my  
site and by that notion have not likely seen the video in question,  
until you check out the video (http://www.joshwolf.net/blog/?p=76), I  
have no issues in discounting what you have to say. Yes, it is true  
that I have a quote-enquote agenda, but at the same time, the  
commercial media also has an agenda.

The fact that my agenda is pretty clear from my posts and the name of  
my blog itself, validates my role as a journalist in my opinion. The  
problem with the media comes down to this fictitious issue of  
objectivity, no one is objective. Sure we can make valiant efforts to  
counter our own biases but the fact remains that we, as human beings,  
as biased by nature, and I have made every effort to disclose my own  
personal biases; something I feel that the media neglects to do.

Am I a journalist? I don't know, but from an historical perspective,  
it is important to remember that there was no such thing as objective  
journalism when the inclusion of a free press was written into the  
constitution. During that time in American history, there was a  
multitude of advocacy newspapers financed by the aristocratic classes  
which made up the press. By reading the differing arguments, one  
could come up with their own views as to how they came down on a  
particular subject. It wasn't until many many years later that the  
idea of an objective news media and the notion of journalism schools  
began to enter into the matter.

Josh


On Apr 23, 2006, at 7:31 AM, Heath wrote:

 I am not sure what to think of this...but I will say this I don't
 think having a camera in hand and recording an event makes you
 a journalist.To me, the whole problem we have, as a whole, is
 that we no longer trust journalist's.  You can very easily make the
 case that the era of objective journalism is gone.  I know I hate
 looking at the tradional meadia for the news, I don't believe anyone
 is just reporting the news anymore.  There are moments that it
 happens but by in large it feels that everyone has an agenda.  That
 is why citizen journalist's concern me (to a degree).  I do not
 know Josh, I have never been to his site or looked at his blogs but
 he said in one of the previous posts,

 I have created an excerpted video of what I saw
 observing the demonstration. I can't really say that it isn't my
 personal version of what transpired, but in a sense that's what news
 is, an observers version of what they feel has transpired.

 That is what bothers me, it IS his personal view of what happened and
 NO that is NOT what journalist's should be doing.  Look I know that
 your opnion is going to creep into your work, but it doesn't mean
 that is SHOULD.  If there is to be a changing of the guard or a stand
 so to speak on how traditional meadia reports...then we have to
 learn again how to be objective and report on the events with no
 prejudice or bias.  Until that happens we are just people with
 cameras.but that is just my opinon..

 PS I know some will say you can't be objective but we have to try,
 we have to try...

 Heath - Batman Geek
 http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com



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 Hey Josh, I think the short answer is Yes. I'm quaking with anger
 just reading this. You might not know who Jack Anderson was but the
 Feds are trying to do this to him and he's dead.

 Anderson was a journalist who was able to dig deep and find out top
 secret infomation. The Feds are trying to go through his documents

 to

 obtain his papers and potential classified documents.

 More to the point, if I observe a situation that requires LAPD
 attendence and I record it that means I can expect a visit from J.
 Edgar's Boys? And LAPD?

 Damnation. I don't like the choices that are presenting themselves.
 I'm recording no matter what! Oh man, I can't think straight.

 This is what I am confused about:

 If I am documenting a situation does that not make me a journalist?
 Doesn't matter how I do it, via pen, photo or video. At that point

 of

 creation doesn't the protections of journalists come into effect?

 If I have a body of work - either paid or unpaid that demostrates

 that

 I have done this activity for x-amount of time then I should be
 protected under various journalism protections.

 Or if your local NBC station had the same video you did would the

 Fed

 show up at the station door? What would the news director tell them?

 The label profesional does not matter. When the early African
 American journalists of 1800 - 1900's could not or would not be
 published by the existing media they created their own.

 They were not thought to be professionals by the mainstream white
 media at the time. Didn't matter. They were 

[videoblogging] Re: BSP: Should Journalist Josh Wolf Be Afraid? --SF Weekly

2006-04-23 Thread Enric



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Heath, whether or not I am a jounalist is secondary to the issue at 
 hand, as the real question is actually whether I was participating in 
 newsgathering. You've stated yourself that you have not visited my 
 site and by that notion have not likely seen the video in question, 
 until you check out the video (http://www.joshwolf.net/blog/?p=76), I 
 have no issues in discounting what you have to say. Yes, it is true 
 that I have a quote-enquote agenda, but at the same time, the 
 commercial media also has an agenda.
 
 The fact that my agenda is pretty clear from my posts and the name of 
 my blog itself, validates my role as a journalist in my opinion. The 
 problem with the media comes down to this fictitious issue of 
 objectivity, no one is objective. Sure we can make valiant efforts to 
 counter our own biases but the fact remains that we, as human beings, 
 as biased by nature, and I have made every effort to disclose my own 
 personal biases; something I feel that the media neglects to do.

I think there's confusion on what objective is. I see objectivity as
the ability to accurately and usefully model reality based on sensory
input. Objectivity is rarely 100% since the sensory data can easily
be compromised coming in and memory stored can modify. But for normal
people it is usually sufficiently accurate to base good judgements on.
 To dismiss objectivity completely is to disregard that some people
are more accurate than others -- irregardless of personal views and
emotions. It is like stating because many people can't run a
marathon, that no one can. Obviously some people have better athletic
capabilty from their physical state and exercise. Objectivity, like
any human capability, is in degrees, rarely an absolute.

 -- Enric
 -==-
 http://www.cirne.com

 
 Am I a journalist? I don't know, but from an historical perspective, 
 it is important to remember that there was no such thing as objective 
 journalism when the inclusion of a free press was written into the 
 constitution. During that time in American history, there was a 
 multitude of advocacy newspapers financed by the aristocratic classes 
 which made up the press. By reading the differing arguments, one 
 could come up with their own views as to how they came down on a 
 particular subject. It wasn't until many many years later that the 
 idea of an objective news media and the notion of journalism schools 
 began to enter into the matter.
 
 Josh
 
 
 On Apr 23, 2006, at 7:31 AM, Heath wrote:
 
  I am not sure what to think of this...but I will say this I don't
  think having a camera in hand and recording an event makes you
  a journalist.To me, the whole problem we have, as a whole, is
  that we no longer trust journalist's. You can very easily make the
  case that the era of objective journalism is gone. I know I hate
  looking at the tradional meadia for the news, I don't believe anyone
  is just reporting the news anymore. There are moments that it
  happens but by in large it feels that everyone has an agenda. That
  is why citizen journalist's concern me (to a degree). I do not
  know Josh, I have never been to his site or looked at his blogs but
  he said in one of the previous posts,
 
  I have created an excerpted video of what I saw
  observing the demonstration. I can't really say that it isn't my
  personal version of what transpired, but in a sense that's what news
  is, an observers version of what they feel has transpired.
 
  That is what bothers me, it IS his personal view of what happened and
  NO that is NOT what journalist's should be doing. Look I know that
  your opnion is going to creep into your work, but it doesn't mean
  that is SHOULD. If there is to be a changing of the guard or a stand
  so to speak on how traditional meadia reports...then we have to
  learn again how to be objective and report on the events with no
  prejudice or bias. Until that happens we are just people with
  cameras.but that is just my opinon..
 
  PS I know some will say you can't be objective but we have to try,
  we have to try...
 
  Heath - Batman Geek
  http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com
 
 
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Gena compumavengal@
  wrote:
 
 
  Hey Josh, I think the short answer is Yes. I'm quaking with anger
  just reading this. You might not know who Jack Anderson was but the
  Feds are trying to do this to him and he's dead.
 
  Anderson was a journalist who was able to dig deep and find out top
  secret infomation. The Feds are trying to go through his documents
 
  to
 
  obtain his papers and potential classified documents.
 
  More to the point, if I observe a situation that requires LAPD
  attendence and I record it that means I can expect a visit from J.
  Edgar's Boys? And LAPD?
 
  Damnation. I don't like the choices that are presenting themselves.
  I'm recording no matter what! Oh 

[videoblogging] Re: videoblogging event in Queens, NYC 4PM today

2006-04-23 Thread usadutch2001



I think it was posted twice but i'm not sure about that.

Whenever there are events mentionded in this group or discovered in
other places it will also be posted here;

http://www.vlogassist.com/viewforum.php?f=2 The events forum!

It is because of the continued stream of messages I have started this
website to collect information people like to have at hand in a
organised way, as we all know searching this forum can be tedious.

You can take part of this informationstream too. This is also would be
a good opportunity to explain the benefits of the vlogassist forums again;

Let me say first that it is NOT a replacement for this discussion-forum.!!

You have to be a member to;
-Post.
-Receive email status messages from forums you select. LIKE EVENTS !!
in a frequency you select.
-Receive RSS feeds from forums you subscribe to.
-Quick and easy member list with websites.
-Lexicon (still under construction)
-Embedded video in post. (USE Firefox !!)
-Use your favorite color (7 choices)
-Use private messaging.
-Sell your obsolete vlogging stuff.

Some people like a WIKI, that's fine too, for me it is too static,
with a forum you can still have discussions about a topic. I'm not
looking for a discussion about the difference and pros and cons
between a wiki and a forum please choose your own preference, both
way's can live next to each other in my world heck I even link to the
wiki in some instances and i'm not competing.

Until now we only have 13 members while I know from the statistics
that lots of people are reading it. Please become a member so you can
add you website to the member list and have all the benefits mentioned
above. Also important; IT IS FREE !!!

Get your name on the members list now go to http://vlogassist.com 

THE VIDEOBLOGGING RESOURCE

regards
blips
http://vlogassist.com
http://vlogmatic.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, missbhavens1969
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dang. 
 
 I don't think it was posted, or somehow I missed it in a sea of 
 threads...
 
 hence my not attending this thing that I would have loved to attend 
 that's 6 minutes from my house.
 
 Where are events like this posted, anyway?
 
 Bekah
 --
 http://missbhavens.blogspot.com
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, jonny goldstein spamjonny@ 
 
 wrote:
 
  Just in case no one posted this yet: There's going to be a panel on
  vlogging at the Museum of the Moving Image in Queens at 4PM today
  featuring Andrew B, Amanda C, Jakob Lodwick (Vimeo), and Ravi Jain
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Re: [videoblogging] flash code and streaming

2006-04-23 Thread Christian Car



I am not sure but I did not use the FlashVars parameter in my code. I 
would try it as follows:

 param name=movie 
value=FLVPlayer_Progressive.swf?MM_ComponentVersion=1skinName=Halo_Skin_2streamName=videos/06_04_07_blake2autoPlay=falseautoRewind=false 
/

Maybe it helps.

Greetings,
Chris

Richard Show wrote:
 Yesterday I posted a message to the group about problems I was having 
 with my site loading, and I appreciate that people were willing to test 
 it out.
 
 I also checked with godaddy support and they sent back the following 
 message
 
 *Our server administrators have reviewed the issue with the Flash 
 animation on your richardshow.com http://richardshow.com/ hosting 
 account. They reviewed the server logs and found 206 Errors for the 
 site. These errors will occur when a site attempts to stream data, which 
 is not allowed by our shared hosting servers.
 
 *Of course, I tried to set it to progressive download, not to steaming 
 such that it would be expecing some special streaming server or 
 something, and the code, that I copy and paste to wordpress using 
 dreamweaver to generate it, looks like this ...
 
 object classid="" 
 codebase="" href="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=7,0,0,0">http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=7,0,0,0 
 http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=7,0,0,0 
 width=342 height=291 id=FLVPlayer
 param name=movie value=FLVPlayer_Progressive.swf /
 param name=salign value=lt /
 param name=quality value=high /
 param name=scale value=noscale /
 param name=FlashVars 
 value=MM_ComponentVersion=1skinName=Halo_Skin_2streamName=videos/06_04_07_blake2autoPlay=falseautoRewind=false 
 /
 embed src="" 
 flashvars=MM_ComponentVersion=1skinName=Halo_Skin_2streamName=videos/06_04_07_blake2autoPlay=falseautoRewind=false 
 quality=high scale=noscale width=342 height=291 name=FLVPlayer 
 salign=LT type=application/x-shockwave-flash pluginspage= 
 http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer /
 /object
 
 If there are any flash/code experts out there and have any idea as to 
 why this would result in a site that attempts to stream data would be 
 appreciated.
 
 ... thanks ... Richard
 
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Re: [videoblogging] I'm new to videoing, but I found help.

2006-04-23 Thread Stephanie Bryant



IzzyVideo is one of my favorite videoblogs. I found out about it on
one of the vlog reviews-- maybe Vlog Soup? Anyway-- it kicks butt.

--Stephanie

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 The timing couldn't have been more perfect because today's episode included
 a video from IzzyVideo, http://www.izzyvideo.com/ IzzyVideo is a vlog of
 video tutorials that help teach techniques for better video taking through
 the use of examples and with the simple and straightforward narration by
 Izzy.

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Re: [videoblogging] videoblogging event in Queens, NYC 4PM today

2006-04-23 Thread Ronen



Boy did I read that about 40 hours too late.On 4/23/06, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Just in case no one posted this yet: There's going to be a panel on
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[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question

2006-04-23 Thread David Howell



Oh Andrew...please feel free to get your stubby little fingers typing
away then. Rather than write back to me though, address whatever it is
you have to say to the owners of the Gumby copyright.

David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses 
 but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point:
 
 Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a 
 number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby 
 cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few:
 http://tinyurl.com/p283s
 
 
 On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote:
 
  Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that.
 
  http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm
 
  It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted
  material was rather empty.
 
  David
  http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup joly@ wrote:
 
  I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's
  right?
 
  However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make
  any kind
  of derivative work, and then even copyright that work.
 
  Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure
  that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works.
 
  joly
 
  At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote:
  I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home
  page in the 'featured videos' section.
  http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/
 
  I assume the particular Gumby video
  http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain
  because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of
  complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on
  the Archive before.
 
  Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to
  create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I
  may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In
  otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own video, I
  would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in
  the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking,
  but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and
  say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for
  instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant
  deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral
  problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead
  of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new
  Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop him.
  Gumby could be reborn into a global star!
 
  Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain
  Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and other
  later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a
  private entity?
  http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q
 
  I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby,
  even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public
  domain Gumby video.
 
  Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a
  simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question

2006-04-23 Thread andrew michael baron



Way to stay off-topic and avoid your dishonest and false statements. 
None of it is your fault per say, and I assume you can't help it, but 
I only addressed you to let you know that you were wrong.

On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:19 AM, David Howell wrote:

 Oh Andrew...please feel free to get your stubby little fingers typing
 away then. Rather than write back to me though, address whatever it is
 you have to say to the owners of the Gumby copyright.

 David
 http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses
 but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point:

 Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a
 number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby
 cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few:
 http://tinyurl.com/p283s


 On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote:

 Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that.

 http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm

 It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of 
 copyrighted
 material was rather empty.

 David
 http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup joly@ wrote:

 I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's
 right?

 However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make
 any kind
 of derivative work, and then even copyright that work.

 Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure
 that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works.

 joly

 At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote:
 I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home
 page in the 'featured videos' section.
 http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/

 I assume the particular Gumby video
 http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain
 because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of
 complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on
 the Archive before.

 Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to
 create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean 
 that I
 may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In
 otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own 
 video, I
 would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the 
 music in
 the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking,
 but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and
 say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for
 instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant
 deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral
 problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve 
 instead
 of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give 
 the new
 Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop 
 him.
 Gumby could be reborn into a global star!

 Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain
 Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and 
 other
 later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely 
 by a
 private entity?
 http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q

 I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby,
 even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public
 domain Gumby video.

 Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a
 simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question

2006-04-23 Thread Josh Leo



what the heck is going on here... both of you shut up and start talking about the issue at hand here... put your ego's aside and have beneficial discussion,.,On 4/24/06, 
andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Way to stay off-topic and avoid your dishonest and false statements.None of it is your fault per say, and I assume you can't help it, butI only addressed you to let you know that you were wrong.On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:19 AM, David Howell wrote:
 Oh Andrew...please feel free to get your stubby little fingers typing away then. Rather than write back to me though, address whatever it is you have to say to the owners of the Gumby copyright.
 David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point: Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a
 number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few: http://tinyurl.com/p283s
 On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote: Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that. 
http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty. David
 http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup joly@ wrote:
 I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's right? However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make
 any kind of derivative work, and then even copyright that work. Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works.
 joly At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home page in the 'featured videos' section.
 http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/ I assume the particular Gumby video 
http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of
 complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on the Archive before. Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to
 create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own
 video, I would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking, but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and
 say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral
 problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop
 him. Gumby could be reborn into a global star! Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and
 other later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a private entity? 
http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby, even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public
 domain Gumby video. Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone
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[videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question

2006-04-23 Thread David Howell



My dishonest and false statements? I posted a link to a site that says
they hold all the copyrights on the Gumby character. Fire off an email
to them informing them that they are wrong.

Go piss up someone elses tree you little twerp.

David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Way to stay off-topic and avoid your dishonest and false statements. 
 None of it is your fault per say, and I assume you can't help it, but 
 I only addressed you to let you know that you were wrong.
 
 On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:19 AM, David Howell wrote:
 
  Oh Andrew...please feel free to get your stubby little fingers typing
  away then. Rather than write back to me though, address whatever it is
  you have to say to the owners of the Gumby copyright.
 
  David
  http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
  andrew@ wrote:
 
  David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses
  but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point:
 
  Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a
  number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby
  cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few:
  http://tinyurl.com/p283s
 
 
  On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote:
 
  Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that.
 
  http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm
 
  It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of 
  copyrighted
  material was rather empty.
 
  David
  http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup joly@ wrote:
 
  I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's
  right?
 
  However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make
  any kind
  of derivative work, and then even copyright that work.
 
  Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure
  that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works.
 
  joly
 
  At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote:
  I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home
  page in the 'featured videos' section.
  http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/
 
  I assume the particular Gumby video
  http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain
  because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of
  complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on
  the Archive before.
 
  Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to
  create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean 
  that I
  may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In
  otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own 
  video, I
  would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the 
  music in
  the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking,
  but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and
  say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for
  instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant
  deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral
  problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve 
  instead
  of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give 
  the new
  Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop 
  him.
  Gumby could be reborn into a global star!
 
  Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain
  Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and 
  other
  later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely 
  by a
  private entity?
  http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q
 
  I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby,
  even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public
  domain Gumby video.
 
  Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a
  simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone
  know what that would be?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Trademark/Copyrights Question

2006-04-23 Thread andrew michael baron


Shut up? Thanks for the great advise Josh.The point of the matter is that David last said this:Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. and he also said this: It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty.These statements are false. Let it be known people on the videoblogging list that these statements are not true. If I dont speak up, no one else will.On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:37 AM, Josh Leo wrote: what the heck is going on here... both of you shut up and start talking about the issue at hand here... put your ego's aside and have beneficial discussion,.,On 4/24/06,  andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way to stay off-topic and avoid your dishonest and false statements.None of it is your fault per say, and I assume you can't help it, butI only addressed you to let you know that you were wrong.On Apr 24, 2006, at 1:19 AM, David Howell wrote:  Oh Andrew...please feel free to get your stubby little fingers typing away then. Rather than write back to me though, address whatever it is you have to say to the owners of the Gumby copyright.  David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I could add a pretty long rant about knee jerking responses but I'll just suck it up and get right to the point: Copyrights and trademarks can expire, lapse or be changed for a  number of reasons. I have found that in fact there are several Gumby cartoons that are a part of the public domain. Here are a few: http://tinyurl.com/p283s  On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:45 PM, David Howell wrote: Uhhh...Gumby isnt public domain. The little guy is far from that.  http://www.gumbyworld.com/copy.htm It looks like Veoh and their promise to rid their site of copyrighted material was rather empty. David  http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, WWWhatsup joly@ wrote:  I don't know if that's true that Gumby is public domain - it's 60's right? However if stuff is in the public domain, yes one is free to make  any kind of derivative work, and then even copyright that work. Hence the development of such animals as the GPL in order to ensure that 'free' works can only be spawned into further 'free' works.  joly At 03:24 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: I noticed on Veoh, they have a complete Gumby video on the home page in the 'featured videos' section.  http://veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/ I assume the particular Gumby video  http://tinyurl.com/jruf7http://tinyurl.com/jruf7 is public domain because Michael Eisner is featuring it, along with a couple of  complete Superman videos that I have seen tagged as public domain on the Archive before. Since I am then allowed to use the public domain video of Gumby to  create or recreate my own work, or version, wouldn't that mean that I may also freely refashion Gumby for a contemporary world? In otherwords, if I am able use the video myself to make my own  video, I would make a new Gumby out of the old Gumby. I would use the music in the video, mash the likeness, reshape him a bit physically speaking, but would especially make his psyche much different; he would do and  say different kinds of things and have different body behaviors, for instance. I might have some plans to add a couple of permeant deformations to his walk and give his a few classic behavioral  problems, for instance. Gumby himself could change and evolve instead of be trapped in time, the way he is now. Perhaps I could give the new Gumby away for free and encourage others to take him and develop  him. Gumby could be reborn into a global star! Would I be allowed to do all of the above with my public domain Gumby without getting into trouble with the Gumby trademark and  other later, non-public domain Gumby stuff claimed to be owned entirely by a private entity?  http://tinyurl.com/mgu4qhttp://tinyurl.com/mgu4q I would assume that somehow, I would not be able to reshape Gumby, even if I did it all with the materials that I got from the public  domain Gumby video. Surely, there is a conflict here and I would assume there is a simple answer that has already been worked out legally. Does anyone  know what that would be? --  ---  WWWhatsup NYC http://pinstand.com -  http://punkcast.com ---  Yahoo! Groups Links  Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com  SPONSORED LINKS  Fireant  Individual  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email