[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-18 Thread Krystian Morgan

Hello,

Actually in wordpress you can make a post stick at the top of the list like a 
featured post. 
In wordpress 7.0 it's as simple as clicking 'quick edit' on your featured post 
of choice, then 
clicking 'make this post sticky'. After updating that will now be your first 
post seen on 
your homepage.

Krystian

http://KMOGVIDEO.net (redesign launching in less than a week).

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pat Cook patsbl...@... wrote:

 Hi everyone:
 
 The achillies heel of not being able to sticky your favorite posts as if 
 you the admin of 
a message board or mark them as a favorite has held true in ALL forms of 
blogging (Be 
it text, audio or video).  Heck, I can still remember when I first posted my 
favorite personal 
rendition of Twas The Night Before Christmas.  I've been reposting it EVERY 
YEAR ever 
since (And plan on doing it again this year on my AS MY WORLD TURNS blog).
 
 In fact, I may do something I hadn't even done with it before.  That is to 
 MAKE A VIDEO 
OF IT  post it on my YouTube channel.
 
 That said (And basically put), about THE ONLY way to prevent your favorite 
 posts from 
being forgotten is to REPOST them using the CURRENT date.  That's THE ONLY way 
you 
can solve that problem.
 
 As for the lack of themes, well all I can say is that the creator of the 
 theme needs to be 
compensated SOMEHOW (Especially during these economic hard times).  It's just a 
fact of 
life.
 
 Hope this helps
 
 Just my opinion
 
 Cheers 
 
 Pat 
 
 
 From: Heath 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 08:56
 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
 Subject: [videoblogging] Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?
 
 
 I have been doing a lot of thinking as I come close to my 3 year mark 
 of vlogging. From the outset of vlogging almost everyone settled on 
 the blog format for their site. And I think at that time it worked.
 
 However, now.I am not so sure. I mean every time you make a 
 video and post, that video moves down the list and soon it's off your 
 homepage in some cases, never to be seen again. Now for some, maybe 
 that is no big deal, but.I think some of us all make a few videos 
 that we are especially proud of, and in the current blog/vlog format, 
 there is no easy way (I know we can sticky but if you sticky more 
 than a couple no one will ever see your new content on your site) to 
 show off those posts.
 
 It seems to me that there is a huge lack in the number of themes that 
 take advatage of vlogging. I mean with the explosion of online 
 video, you would think we would have more, but I only know of a small 
 handfull and most of those you have to pay for.
 
 I am just curious as to what you all think? I just don't knowI 
 mean part of me likes the blog/vlog format as it is, but I find 
 myself longing for a different way to show off my video's moreso the 
 ones that I want to showcase or ones that I am fond of...I mean I 
 could revlog but
 
 So what do you all like and dislike about the current vlog format? 
 What would you like to see? Just curious...
 
 Heath
 http://heathparks.com
 
 
 
  
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-18 Thread RatbagMedia
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Krystian Morgan k...@... wrote:

 Actually in wordpress you can make a post stick at the top of the
list like a featured post. 

And in Blogger you have a couple of hacks you can use to the same effect:

(1) You can pre date the post to a future date so that it sits atop of
the rest chronologically.This is certainly cumbersome if you have 
prominant date headers.

(2)On most templates, you can post your featured video  into a
gadget/widget and drag and drop  it into the main column of you blog
so that it appears to be a post.

(3) I've searched for other hacks and while I prefer to feature  my
latest video post on my top page I deploy a few means to draw
attention to more wares in the same way that the Ryan is Hungry 
http://ryanishungry.com/
 does at the bottom of the page. You can use aggregators like Vodpod
to do this and showcase your own stuff or I use a scroll bar to
showcase thumbnails . EG: overflow-x  and overflow-y

div align=centerdiv style=overflow-x: hidden; overflow-y: auto;
width: 75%; height: 100px;[PUT LINKED TO THUMBNAILS HERE] /div

I'm very new to videoblogging but I have been hacking templates for
podcasting for about three years (not thats' I'm any good) and I think
there's a different requirement with video as many posters have
flagged in this thread.

And the Ryan is Hungry format solves a few problems as does the 
Hemingway designed by Warpspire I use:
http://warpspire.com/hemingway/
which you can get both for Blogger and Wordpress. But it isn't very
hackable if you want to tweak it some more.(Although hacks do exist).

But here it is for Blogger:
http://tabo.aurealsys.com/templates/hemingway-template-for-blogger/



dave riley
http://ratbaggy.blogspot.com/



Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-15 Thread Irina
yes, we're finally going to a show in a box style in jan

in part because we have about 200 episodes now and we want them to be easier
to scroll thru
for viewers since almost each episode is a world of its own


On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, bmilam52 mmila...@gmail.com wrote:

   The blogging format for video blogging doesn't really work for two
 reasons. One, the tendency is to do a video blog much like the average
 boring blog post, which consistently deals with the mundane aspects of
 our lives. There's nothing wrong with that except that unless your day
 was more interesting than everyone elses, you won't get that much
 attention.

  




-- 
http://geekentertainment.tv


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[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-12 Thread Heath
Actually the only thing I use RSS for is for downloading my podcasts, 
I don't use RSS either, I was just asking for those that do...

Heath
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Ron Watson k9d...@... wrote:

  g through their reader, than why have a site at all then?
 
  As far as having all of your video's on Blip etc, well I know for 
me,
  that Blip's Showplayer does not show all of my stuff it only goes
  back about a year, so you are missing anything older...but that is
  neither here nor there...
 
 Nobody but you guys are viewing through your reader.
 
 Nobody is going to mefeedia.
 
 The feed services like feedburner and mefeedia are awesome for 
giving  
 a large footprint, but for the masses they are not destinations.
 
 The only people who go there and use feed readers are geeks. 
Regular  
 people don't know what an RSS feed is let alone how to use and 
manage  
 one. If FF did not automagically parse them they'd think it was a  
 broken link.
 
 I use RSS feeds to push my vids out there and to get them exposure 
so  
 I can get hits on search engines. Mefeedia and Feedburner are 
great  
 for creating a large footprint. They are for the people on this 
list.
 
 But there are very few people who view stuff on RSS feeds. Just 
the  
 busy geeks like yourselves.
 
 I exempt myself from this statement, as I don't use feeds, although 
I  
 probably would if I had the bandwidth available to watch videos.
 
 I gobble up my 5 GB shuffling files around the sites that I am  
 developing.
 
  So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part 
of
  the problem? Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming
  passive? That we no longer care about the communication or the
  connections that can develop?
 
 Yes, they are part of the problem. The people on this list are 
busy,  
 busy, and we live in our own little world.
 
 If I don't follow a link from a post here, I don't see it.
 
 There needs to be a gathering place with an application that can 
make  
 the people on this list happy AND reach the public.
 
 Hasn't happened yet.
 
 We need to start trying to put things together as a group if we're  
 going to  get any kind of serious visibility.
 
 Hasn't happened yet.
 
 peace,
 Ron Watson
 http://k9disc.blip.tv
 http://k9disc.com
 http://discdogradio.com
 http://pawsitivevybe.com
 
 
 
 On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Heath wrote:
 
  So it seems that by having an RSS feed we are actually taking away
  from the communial side of blogging/vlogging?
 
  I mean if there is no reason to ever go to a site because 
everyone is
  reading through their reader, than why have a site at all then?
 
  As far as having all of your video's on Blip etc, well I know for 
me,
  that Blip's Showplayer does not show all of my stuff it only goes
  back about a year, so you are missing anything older...but that is
  neither here nor there...
 
  So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part 
of
  the problem? Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming
  passive? That we no longer care about the communication or the
  connections that can develop?
 
  Heath
  http://heathparks.com
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, michaelaivaliotis
  michaelaivaliotis@ wrote:
  
   If someone can watch all your videos on a site like Blip.TV, 
Vimeo
  or
   even Youtube - which probably already has a great viewing
  experience -
   Why should they come to your site? what's the compelling 
reason? I
   think this is the main question that needs to be answered and
  thought
   about before you start redesigning your site.
  
   If you can't clearly answer that then your site needs to be 
more of
  an
   About Me page with links to your stuff.
  
   On the other hand, if Blip.TV is the only place you have videos 
and
   you are just using them as a virtual hard drive then you need 
to do
   some serious work on your site.
  
   Sorry, I don't have a clear answer but you really need to put 
some
   time and money into it if you want your site to be a hub. You 
have
  to
   give people a reason to come back. Honestly, with the concept 
of RSS
   feeds in full effect, I never go to anyone's site anymore. I 
watch
  all
   your videos in my Google reader. The only reason for me to go to
  your
   site would be to leave a comment. The problem there is I usually
  never
   read the response unless I'm subscribed to the comments via 
email:
   like Rupert does on his blog (that helps).
  
   For those that want dynamic related posts. I found a WP plugin 
here:
   http://mitcho.com/code/yarpp/
   It doesn't do thumbnails but it has great options to show 
related
   posts (probably the best). I'm currently trying to modify it to 
show
   thumbnails. The main issue with thumbnails is that you need to
   manually attach a thumbnail to your post and specify that this
   thumbnail is for the video (like is currently done with the vPIP
   plugin). Still some work there. I'm 

[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-12 Thread Heath
I have enjoyed the discussion as wellit's interesting to see how 
things have evolved and continue to evolveand how at the end of 
the day one truth remains.do what makes you happyI mean we 
have all these means to communicate now, to share stories, etc...but 
at the end of the day, you just gotta enjoy what you are doingand 
one size never fits allwhich is so great, you know.  It's what I 
love about the web and the communities that developI love it and 
I love having discussions, seeing things from a different 
perspective

Now if I could just find that perfect theme

Heath
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Watkins st...@... 
wrote:

 Great discussion. 
 
 It takes me back to several different topics I used to rant on 
about here. Several projects I 
 always wanted to do but, as usual, never really got started on.
 
 I like to think about a CMS that can show its content through a 
variety of flash front ends. 
 The useful bits of blogging, social networking, community, 
communication, and decent 
 presentation of videos and other content, but with a much smoother 
interface and experience 
 than we are typically used to. And no walled garden approach. And 
no need to be a techie.
 
 Easy for me to say, obviously much harder to achieve. Im still up 
for trying, the fuel I need is 
 people being continually passionate and talkative about such 
things, so that I keep faith that 
 there is reason to bother trying.
 
 Anyway I will avoid going into further detail so this doesnt turn 
into one of my bloated posts 
 of yesteryear, I'm sure I'll add further thoughts later.
 
 Cheers
 
 Steve Elbows





[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-12 Thread Caleb J. Clark
Great thread. I feel torn. I feel like only using Blip and YouTube and
getting rid of a site altogether sometimes. I'm only part time
vlogging, but I have the same struggles.

The big question for me seems to be what does the new 'TV' look
like? for a while now I've got the feeling that embedded video
players that move around from site to site with my content on them are
really like floating TVs...

I have a sense that two big things are happening. 1. Online video is
going to be on bigger and bigger TVs. 2. Comments, some text and
links, photos, etc. are also expected if your vlogs are 'stories' as
in, it's all rich media now, or convergence media. Eventually people
will expect all videos to have a comment section, maybe a little text
with links to things mentioned, background photos, HD and tiny screen
formats. CNN used to be a TV station, New York Times used to be print.
Now on the Web, they are text, audio, video and photos - all in a new
format with different rules then the campus radio, tv, newspaper,
photojournalism, departments.

So maybe for the small time, small crew, or one-person shows, it's a
question of specializing to fit into a bigger convergence site
eventually to make money? i.e. sell your episodes to a bigger outlet.
Or focus on a niche, like episodes shot really tight only for mobile
screens, then eventually get pulled into a convergence site??

Anyway, I'm more in academia now, where we're watching work, and
lingo, like this: 

Convergence Journalism. See student-run: http://www.amherstwire.com/

The new full time jobs at universites I'm seeing who's sole job it is
to re-edit, with branding, videos from around campus's different
departments (journalism, film, comm) for the Web site's marketing and
recruitment of prospective students, and make a Web page: I like this
page's layout with the three areas and inclusive player with all the
shows and big thumbs. http://www.hampshire.edu/news/multimedia.htm

Also, a few universities I work with are hiring more web 2.0 social
technologists to produce videos for their Web site from campus media,
do professor profiles, student interviews, and to manage Facebook,
Youtube Channels, Linked-in accounts, Twitter, etc. for all the
different departments such as alumni, Web, development, sports,
admissions, etc, who all need this kind of help, believe it or not!!!
They try and use work-study students who know how to it, but they are
not full time professionals. 

We are also setting up blogs for departments who are just getting to
that point!





[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-12 Thread bmilam52
The blogging format for video blogging doesn't really work for two
reasons. One, the tendency is to do a video blog much like the average
boring blog post, which consistently deals with the mundane aspects of
our lives. There's nothing wrong with that except that unless your day
was more interesting than everyone elses, you won't get that much
attention.





[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-11 Thread Heath
I agree about the content, and google reader and RSS, etc make things 
very easy, but when people do come to my site, after maybe seeing a 
video for the first timeI want it to look as visually appealing 
as possible and to be able to showcase some of my best stuff and 
other things/vlogs I like, etcfor me it's more about the look 
of the site.

I do think you are also right in that it's best to showcase video's 
on a standalone sight, but then again, how do you get people over 
there?  Just a header link, an ad on your site, etc...

We spent so much time talking about content, how to make video, how 
to set up RSS feeds, how to promote your site, etc...but the layout 
and design we just have pretty much accepted what is out there and 
made due.let's change that!

Heath
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, RatbagMedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 The core complication isn't so much video per se but the whole Web 
2.0
 multimedia explosion. Text is easy to format and showcase -- we've
 been laying it out for centuries -- but digital media is a major
 complication. 
 
 I come from audio blogging/podcasting and the rot sets in when you 
try
 to combine media elements -- in my case: text + audio + digital
 presentations ('powerpoints') + slide shows + videos. While this
 discussion list no doubt has some QuickTime preferences the unifying
 (and contradictory) element on the web is flash media.
 
 That changes the dialogue a lot.
 
 In mindset I'm a total bloggerfile as I know nuthin'  else to speak
 about so I tend to pursue the glorious  quest of trying to get as 
much
 return as I can from the one blog platform -- in my case , Blogger.
 Thats' all I know.
 
 Nonetheless I think the Blip TV channel player is the best media
 showcase hardware I've come across on the web. So that guests on my
 videoblog too.
 
 Elsewhere I am very eclectic and in other blogs I work on I like to
 use Vodpod widgets and the new Vodspot platform.
 
 http://blog.vodpod.com/2008/12/09/announcing-vodspot/
 
 and I cross post like mad --albeit selectively.
 
 While I will subscribe keenly to an audio feed and automatically
 download the Mp3 files I won't do that for video, preferring instead
 to monitor videoblogging sites by subscribing to their feeds in 
Google
 reader. I then quickly review their content before deciding to
 continue watching. ( I don't however sample audio like that.)
 
 So what the site looks like is neither here nor there as RSS rules.
 
 Nonetheless with site showcasing -- and I do this with audio -- it 
is
 often useful to divide up your offerings into themes. I currently
 offer standalone players for Best of my videos,  Videos from
 elsewhere and my own all-in channel in the same way that I always
 divide up my audio wares and offer them in pop up players.
 
 But the reality is, I fear, that no one knows how to design the best
 of all possible web or video sites so there are all these people
 working away at the coal face, tweaking as they go -- designing a 
 better mousetrap
 
 Nonethless,some of the best video feeds I subscribe can emanate from
 the most sterile of CSS sites. So let's not get too caught up 
in 
 form over content.
 
 dave riley
 http://ratbaggy.blogspot.com/





Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-11 Thread Kath O'Donnell
re Ron's link to
Community is the new capitalism:
 Community is More than Dollars and Cents

I thought we already were a community - this mail list. when people
post links in their sigs others can check them out  comment/continue
conversations there or reply to email privately. the vlomo type
projects seem good too for bursts of sub-communities too though it's
hard to maintain focus / be able to post regularly at times. other
online communities I've been involved with for years have been via
mail lists or forums/msg boards. some post links/videos etc. I don't
think the platform / medium really matters though - it's more about
the involvement of the people  the discussions  interactions that
keep people coming back. I don't know - maybe people should include
their 'featured posts/videos' links in an email sig or do an
announcement every now  then if they have something special. perhaps
some don't like doing 'shameless self promotion' or there's risks of
too much spam.

for a website with content, personally I find a CMS eg drupal site a
better format than a blog-only one as there's multiple ways people can
come across posts  be presented / organised. but mostly because
that's what I've used most often too. and their themes are even better
these days for people who want more flexibility (though I haven't
updated my sites' themes yet - still using default ones)

kath


Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-11 Thread Ron Watson
I've been part of many list based 'communities', and I really don't  
see them as being communities.

This list is one of the best I've seen as far as avoiding flame wars  
and such, but when people are afraid to post links because they don't  
want to 'spam' the list, is that really a community?

peace,
Ron


On Dec 11, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Kath O'Donnell wrote:

 re Ron's link to
 Community is the new capitalism:
  Community is More than Dollars and Cents

 I thought we already were a community - this mail list. when people
 post links in their sigs others can check them out  comment/continue
 conversations there or reply to email privately. the vlomo type
 projects seem good too for bursts of sub-communities too though it's
 hard to maintain focus / be able to post regularly at times. other
 online communities I've been involved with for years have been via
 mail lists or forums/msg boards. some post links/videos etc. I don't
 think the platform / medium really matters though - it's more about
 the involvement of the people  the discussions  interactions that
 keep people coming back. I don't know - maybe people should include
 their 'featured posts/videos' links in an email sig or do an
 announcement every now  then if they have something special. perhaps
 some don't like doing 'shameless self promotion' or there's risks of
 too much spam.

 for a website with content, personally I find a CMS eg drupal site a
 better format than a blog-only one as there's multiple ways people can
 come across posts  be presented / organised. but mostly because
 that's what I've used most often too. and their themes are even better
 these days for people who want more flexibility (though I haven't
 updated my sites' themes yet - still using default ones)

 kath

 



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[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-11 Thread michaelaivaliotis
If someone can watch all your videos on a site like Blip.TV, Vimeo or
even Youtube - which probably already has a great viewing experience -
Why should they come to your site? what's the compelling reason? I
think this is the main question that needs to be answered and thought
about before you start redesigning your site.

If you can't clearly answer that then your site needs to be more of an
About Me page with links to your stuff.

On the other hand, if Blip.TV is the only place you have videos and
you are just using them as a virtual hard drive then you need to do
some serious work on your site.

Sorry, I don't have a clear answer but you really need to put some
time and money into it if you want your site to be a hub. You have to
give people a reason to come back. Honestly, with the concept of RSS
feeds in full effect, I never go to anyone's site anymore. I watch all
your videos in my Google reader. The only reason for me to go to your
site would be to leave a comment. The problem there is I usually never
read the response unless I'm subscribed to the comments via email:
like Rupert does on his blog (that helps).

For those that want dynamic related posts. I found a WP plugin here:
http://mitcho.com/code/yarpp/
It doesn't do thumbnails but it has great options to show related
posts (probably the best). I'm currently trying to modify it to show
thumbnails. The main issue with thumbnails is that you need to
manually attach a thumbnail to your post and specify that this
thumbnail is for the video (like is currently done with the vPIP
plugin). Still some work there. I'm trying to figure out how to get it
to find thumbnails automatically, like it is done in the BlipIt plugin:
http://www.bravenewcode.com/blipit/

Anyway... more work ahead.
Michael Aivaliotis

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathpa...@... wrote:

 I agree about the content, and google reader and RSS, etc make things 
 very easy, but when people do come to my site, after maybe seeing a 
 video for the first timeI want it to look as visually appealing 
 as possible and to be able to showcase some of my best stuff and 
 other things/vlogs I like, etcfor me it's more about the look 
 of the site.
 
 I do think you are also right in that it's best to showcase video's 
 on a standalone sight, but then again, how do you get people over 
 there?  Just a header link, an ad on your site, etc...
 
 We spent so much time talking about content, how to make video, how 
 to set up RSS feeds, how to promote your site, etc...but the layout 
 and design we just have pretty much accepted what is out there and 
 made due.let's change that!
 
 Heath
 http://heathparks.com



[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-11 Thread Heath
So it seems that by having an RSS feed we are actually taking away 
from the communial side of blogging/vlogging?  

I mean if there is no reason to ever go to a site because everyone is 
reading through their reader, than why have a site at all then?

As far as having all of your video's on Blip etc, well I know for me, 
that Blip's Showplayer does not show all of my stuff it only goes 
back about a year, so you are missing anything older...but that is 
neither here nor there...

So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part of 
the problem?  Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming 
passive?  That we no longer care about the communication or the 
connections that can develop?

Heath
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, michaelaivaliotis 
michaelaivalio...@... wrote:

 If someone can watch all your videos on a site like Blip.TV, Vimeo 
or
 even Youtube - which probably already has a great viewing 
experience -
 Why should they come to your site? what's the compelling reason? I
 think this is the main question that needs to be answered and 
thought
 about before you start redesigning your site.
 
 If you can't clearly answer that then your site needs to be more of 
an
 About Me page with links to your stuff.
 
 On the other hand, if Blip.TV is the only place you have videos and
 you are just using them as a virtual hard drive then you need to do
 some serious work on your site.
 
 Sorry, I don't have a clear answer but you really need to put some
 time and money into it if you want your site to be a hub. You have 
to
 give people a reason to come back. Honestly, with the concept of RSS
 feeds in full effect, I never go to anyone's site anymore. I watch 
all
 your videos in my Google reader. The only reason for me to go to 
your
 site would be to leave a comment. The problem there is I usually 
never
 read the response unless I'm subscribed to the comments via email:
 like Rupert does on his blog (that helps).
 
 For those that want dynamic related posts. I found a WP plugin here:
 http://mitcho.com/code/yarpp/
 It doesn't do thumbnails but it has great options to show related
 posts (probably the best). I'm currently trying to modify it to show
 thumbnails. The main issue with thumbnails is that you need to
 manually attach a thumbnail to your post and specify that this
 thumbnail is for the video (like is currently done with the vPIP
 plugin). Still some work there. I'm trying to figure out how to get 
it
 to find thumbnails automatically, like it is done in the BlipIt 
plugin:
 http://www.bravenewcode.com/blipit/
 
 Anyway... more work ahead.
 Michael Aivaliotis
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote:
 
  I agree about the content, and google reader and RSS, etc make 
things 
  very easy, but when people do come to my site, after maybe seeing 
a 
  video for the first timeI want it to look as visually 
appealing 
  as possible and to be able to showcase some of my best stuff and 
  other things/vlogs I like, etcfor me it's more about 
the look 
  of the site.
  
  I do think you are also right in that it's best to showcase 
video's 
  on a standalone sight, but then again, how do you get people over 
  there?  Just a header link, an ad on your site, etc...
  
  We spent so much time talking about content, how to make video, 
how 
  to set up RSS feeds, how to promote your site, etc...but the 
layout 
  and design we just have pretty much accepted what is out there 
and 
  made due.let's change that!
  
  Heath
  http://heathparks.com





Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-11 Thread Jay dedman
 So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part of
 the problem? Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming
 passive? That we no longer care about the communication or the
 connections that can develop?

I stopped using RSS for a long time.
no more feedreaders.
too much deluge.

I mainly bookmark sites I like.
I recently started using LiveBookmarks in Forefox which is
cool...though this still take me to the webpage to view content.

I now mainly follow links I see people post on twitter or email me.
except for the spots I always visit, it's about all I can handle.

So RSS is not the problem.
Make your site the way YOU want it to be.
and then just keep being a nice guy with interesting things to show.

Jay


-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790


Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-11 Thread Ron Watson
 g through their reader, than why have a site at all then?

 As far as having all of your video's on Blip etc, well I know for me,
 that Blip's Showplayer does not show all of my stuff it only goes
 back about a year, so you are missing anything older...but that is
 neither here nor there...

Nobody but you guys are viewing through your reader.

Nobody is going to mefeedia.

The feed services like feedburner and mefeedia are awesome for giving  
a large footprint, but for the masses they are not destinations.

The only people who go there and use feed readers are geeks. Regular  
people don't know what an RSS feed is let alone how to use and manage  
one. If FF did not automagically parse them they'd think it was a  
broken link.

I use RSS feeds to push my vids out there and to get them exposure so  
I can get hits on search engines. Mefeedia and Feedburner are great  
for creating a large footprint. They are for the people on this list.

But there are very few people who view stuff on RSS feeds. Just the  
busy geeks like yourselves.

I exempt myself from this statement, as I don't use feeds, although I  
probably would if I had the bandwidth available to watch videos.

I gobble up my 5 GB shuffling files around the sites that I am  
developing.

 So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part of
 the problem? Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming
 passive? That we no longer care about the communication or the
 connections that can develop?

Yes, they are part of the problem. The people on this list are busy,  
busy, and we live in our own little world.

If I don't follow a link from a post here, I don't see it.

There needs to be a gathering place with an application that can make  
the people on this list happy AND reach the public.

Hasn't happened yet.

We need to start trying to put things together as a group if we're  
going to  get any kind of serious visibility.

Hasn't happened yet.

peace,
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com



On Dec 11, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Heath wrote:

 So it seems that by having an RSS feed we are actually taking away
 from the communial side of blogging/vlogging?

 I mean if there is no reason to ever go to a site because everyone is
 reading through their reader, than why have a site at all then?

 As far as having all of your video's on Blip etc, well I know for me,
 that Blip's Showplayer does not show all of my stuff it only goes
 back about a year, so you are missing anything older...but that is
 neither here nor there...

 So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part of
 the problem? Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming
 passive? That we no longer care about the communication or the
 connections that can develop?

 Heath
 http://heathparks.com

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, michaelaivaliotis
 michaelaivalio...@... wrote:
 
  If someone can watch all your videos on a site like Blip.TV, Vimeo
 or
  even Youtube - which probably already has a great viewing
 experience -
  Why should they come to your site? what's the compelling reason? I
  think this is the main question that needs to be answered and
 thought
  about before you start redesigning your site.
 
  If you can't clearly answer that then your site needs to be more of
 an
  About Me page with links to your stuff.
 
  On the other hand, if Blip.TV is the only place you have videos and
  you are just using them as a virtual hard drive then you need to do
  some serious work on your site.
 
  Sorry, I don't have a clear answer but you really need to put some
  time and money into it if you want your site to be a hub. You have
 to
  give people a reason to come back. Honestly, with the concept of RSS
  feeds in full effect, I never go to anyone's site anymore. I watch
 all
  your videos in my Google reader. The only reason for me to go to
 your
  site would be to leave a comment. The problem there is I usually
 never
  read the response unless I'm subscribed to the comments via email:
  like Rupert does on his blog (that helps).
 
  For those that want dynamic related posts. I found a WP plugin here:
  http://mitcho.com/code/yarpp/
  It doesn't do thumbnails but it has great options to show related
  posts (probably the best). I'm currently trying to modify it to show
  thumbnails. The main issue with thumbnails is that you need to
  manually attach a thumbnail to your post and specify that this
  thumbnail is for the video (like is currently done with the vPIP
  plugin). Still some work there. I'm trying to figure out how to get
 it
  to find thumbnails automatically, like it is done in the BlipIt
 plugin:
  http://www.bravenewcode.com/blipit/
 
  Anyway... more work ahead.
  Michael Aivaliotis
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote:
  
   I agree about the content, and google reader and RSS, etc make
 things
   very easy, but when people do come 

[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-11 Thread Steve Watkins
Great discussion. 

It takes me back to several different topics I used to rant on about here. 
Several projects I 
always wanted to do but, as usual, never really got started on.

I like to think about a CMS that can show its content through a variety of 
flash front ends. 
The useful bits of blogging, social networking, community, communication, and 
decent 
presentation of videos and other content, but with a much smoother interface 
and experience 
than we are typically used to. And no walled garden approach. And no need to be 
a techie.

Easy for me to say, obviously much harder to achieve. Im still up for trying, 
the fuel I need is 
people being continually passionate and talkative about such things, so that I 
keep faith that 
there is reason to bother trying.

Anyway I will avoid going into further detail so this doesnt turn into one of 
my bloated posts 
of yesteryear, I'm sure I'll add further thoughts later.

Cheers

Steve Elbows



[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-11 Thread RatbagMedia
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathpa...@... wrote:


 So I go back to my first statement and ask, Is RSS in effect part of 
 the problem?  Is it so easy now to just watch that we are becoming 
 passive?  That we no longer care about the communication or the 
 connections that can develop?

I think it has to be horses for courses and you have to package
content a number of ways to cater to individual preferences. People
approach the web differently and no one size fits all.

As for connections and the community feel you have to go with the
flow...You cannot demand that people hang out the way you'd prefer
them to as, I guess, that's has as much to do with your own
personality and video-ing attitude as anything else.

The hardware -- the feed, the site -- are surely secondary to that.

I think discussion lists can make -- potentially at least -- great
communities -- but not all discussion lists are going to foster
ongoing interactions in the sense of identification and 'loyalty'.

I'm on 'x' number of elists and monitor 'y' number of blogs but I
choose to interact actively in very few of them. It's like there's
this Holy Grail on the web that presumes that if you do 'a' and 'b'
you get yourself a bona fide web neighborhood. I don't think it works
lineally like that.People do not have that capacity unless they are
obsessive.

However, the very nature of videoblogging -- because it can often be
so intimate and exposing -- tends to push the engagement onto the
visitor in a way that other media may not.

This is why, in part I believe, video deployment on the web has
exploded in the way that audio has not.Its' very: me.

So in one sense there's all these TV channels being created whose
precept is that they are not  like console television but something
else that is still as yet an unknown.

An contrary example I think is the Miro/Democracy Player which tries
to foster a counter media network driven by RSS feeds. Surely that's
one community model that relies on an aggregation broader than
individual stall holders.

Then there is YouTube which is -- to be frank -- a video jungle.

But you are going to get many layers and variations and it would be
presumptuous to think that one broadcast model will rule them all.
This is the web afterall which is premised on anarchy and a good  deal
of chaos. This is partly why its so hard to make money off the web I
guess because in a universe of that size and of such creativity (an
extraordinary explosion of creativity the likes of which we humans
have never seen before)  it's so very easy to be fickle.

MySpace one year/Facebook the next. 

So when you create your own share of it -- your site --you are
creating a decorated portal or cabinet where you display your personal
wares -- customized just so to reflect on its owner. 

If that's not your preference then you may as well simply stick with
the feed option and forget all about the branding thing with its
little decorative nuances and written up additions.

Therss' nothing wrong with that.

dave riley









[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-10 Thread Heath
The only issue and it's not really an issue is that you have to 
manually define the related video's with Charles's plugin.  It would 
be nice if it just randomly selected related video's and have the 
option to select one's yourself.  And while I do like SIAB, there are 
still some drawbacks that I think are stil mainly related to the 
whole blog structure.

I have been mulling over how I would like my ideal theme and once I 
have that, I will start a thread on SIAB but I am interested to hear 
what others think as well, what do people like, dislike, etc...I mean 
let's really look at how this is all done, I'd really like to see 
some kick butt inovations out there related to video themes...among 
other things

Heath
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  However, now.I am not so sure. I mean every time you make a
  video and post, that video moves down the list and soon it's off 
your
  homepage in some cases, never to be seen again. Now for some, 
maybe
  that is no big deal, but.I think some of us all make a few 
videos
  that we are especially proud of, and in the current blog/vlog 
format,
  there is no easy way (I know we can sticky but if you sticky more
  than a couple no one will ever see your new content on your site) 
to
  show off those posts.
  It seems to me that there is a huge lack in the number of themes 
that
  take advatage of vlogging. I mean with the explosion of online
  video, you would think we would have more, but I only know of a 
small
  handful and most of those you have to pay for.
 
 Agreed.
 this was the thinking behind http://showinabox.tv.
 just trying to kickstart the awareness that a blog platform like
 Wordpress has a lot of room to expand when it comes to 
videoblogging.
 
 I think there are actually a lot more plugins being built these 
days for video.
 But yes, the videocentric themes are the missing link.
 It's a lot of work to build a theme.
 
 Cheryl Colan built this theme for us: http://ryanishungry.com
 it does a lot of the things you're talking about when we used it 
with
 the plugins that Charles built.
 lots of thumbnails and searchable text.
 when you click on a video...older, related videos pop up so our
 archive stays fresh.
 
 I think the biggest challenge is just imagining the perfect theme 
for you.
 Draw it out on a piece of paper.
 Then find a themer willing to build it (and be willing to pay them!)
 
 what does your perfect videoblog look like?
 
 Jay
 
 -- 
 http://jaydedman.com
 917 371 6790





[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-10 Thread Heath
Yeah, Rupert it was your video that got me to thinking about all this 
even more than I currently was.  Again I go back to there are some 
things I like, I think you can create a community with the blog 
format and it's easy...I think for me, it's more the layout than 
anything and I just want easier ways for people to connect with my 
older stuff.

I have some other ideas as well, but I want to flesh them about a bit 
first...

And also, it's knowing what you want to do...I mean I like the 
personal aspect of vlogging, I like Rupert, Jay, Ryanne, Michael, 
Robert, Croma, David Meade, Bekah, Cheryl, Clintus, etc etc...I like 
watching those guys and gals, so I would never want that personal 
side to go away...I do wish we could figure out how to be more 
communal with our approach and sitesI mean that was the whole 
thing behind my Vids I Like tab on my sitebut does anyone ever 
check out that?  How do I also show the things and stuff I like from 
other people on my front page, where most of the action happens?...

Great thoughts so far from everyoneI love it!!

Heath
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I did a video rant about this a couple of weeks ago.
 
 I've been thinking about different layouts and ways of presenting  
 things since then.
 
 Great thoughts, Ron - particularly what you note how we're  
 comfortable with line-by-line communication in a vertical format, 
but  
 how it's limited the success of the traditional videoblog - and 
how  
 daunting it is for a viewer to face a bunch of videos in a line 
down  
 the page.
 
 I've seen this problem when watching people go to my videoblog.
 It's not just a problem for the viewer, it's a problem for the 
producer.
 
 Reading your post made me realise how much I've forced myself to 
like  
 the blog format because that's what everyone uses - even though  
 initially I thought it sucked.  But when we started out, it was 
the  
 easiest way to do publishing and podcasting.
 
 Now I've totally fallen out of love with the blog format.  So much 
so  
 that I can't seem to drum up the motivation to put any energy into  
 making videos until I can feel good about how I publish them.
 
 I've been thinking about the successful shows you mentioned - FU,  
 Ninja, Rocketboom.  Wreck  Salvage and LoFi St Louis have good 
new  
 designs, too - which encourage people to browse more freely and 
don't  
 force the reader to deal with this heirarchy of freshness/relevance.
 
 For me, I think there may be an element of needing more 
interlinked  
 networking between producers - to allow people to browse outside 
of  
 your own videos.  Jesus, that sounds like a web-ring.  But isn't 
that  
 the best thing about YouTube? That you can choose to see more 
videos  
 by the same person or jump to something related but made by 
someone  
 totally different?
 
 I don't know.  I'm stuck.  But it's good to read your thoughts on 
it.
 
 Rupert
 http://twittervlog.tv
 
 On 10-Dec-08, at 10:05 AM, Ron Watson wrote:
 
 Great topic, Heath!
 
 I've been doing online video since 1998, and I was very excited with
 the explosion of digital video in 2005. It was awesome!
 
 I dabbled with wordpress and the blog format for a while, but it was
 obvious to me rather quickly that the long vertical videoblog (and
 blog, for that matter) was a dead end in terms of viability.
 
 It's daunting to scroll down a page and see an hour of video. It
 makes the small, short flicks and turns them into a day long 
endeavor.
 
 I think the traditional blog format is great for RSS feeds and for
 archival purposes, but as far as presentation of content, it's not
 good for holding people's attention.
 
 If you're content is very special or totally rock solid, you can 
hold
 an audience, but you are fighting against a faulty design.
 
 There are 2 ways in which the traditional blog layout fails for 
video
 blogging.
 
 Story telling and Community.
 
 ---
 Story Telling
 ---
 
 I took a critical look at a person from this list's new project, and
 that's what I found to be the critical fault in the presentation of
 content. He had all this great content, a really sweet, honest and
 appealing vibe, beautiful theming, but it all went out the window
 when I scrolled down the page and saw 15 5 minute videos all
 presented as a running commentary - essentially a very long 
monologue.
 
 I have no doubt that the content was personally appealing (although 
I
 couldn't watch it because of bandwidth constraints - :-( ) but when 
I
 saw that scrolling list, it just seemed like a Herculean task to go
 through it. I really was intrigued by the vibe set up by the site 
and
 my personal belief system, but when I saw the layout of the content,
 I was turned off. I didn't want to watch that much on one topic.
 
 When you post 30 things on one page, it devalues all of them. It
 triggers the idea of a lack of quality - like this thing couldn't
 stand on 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-10 Thread Brook Hinton
I'm in the process of rethinking/redesigning my whole approach to online
video and videblogging.
The one thought that is solid now: decoupling the concept of
RSS/Subscribe-ability from presentation. The blog format is a convenient
means of providing updates to the small subset of my viewers that uses feed
readers and whatnot via rss, but that doesn't mean a blog has to be the the
format in which the material itself is viewed.

Don't know where its going but I'm certainly following the discussion here
with great interest.

I do think a blog is still a viable format for a highly conceptual or
series-based project.

Brook





On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Yeah, Rupert it was your video that got me to thinking about all this
 even more than I currently was. Again I go back to there are some
 things I like, I think you can create a community with the blog
 format and it's easy...I think for me, it's more the layout than
 anything and I just want easier ways for people to connect with my
 older stuff.

 I have some other ideas as well, but I want to flesh them about a bit
 first...

 And also, it's knowing what you want to do...I mean I like the
 personal aspect of vlogging, I like Rupert, Jay, Ryanne, Michael,
 Robert, Croma, David Meade, Bekah, Cheryl, Clintus, etc etc...I like
 watching those guys and gals, so I would never want that personal
 side to go away...I do wish we could figure out how to be more
 communal with our approach and sitesI mean that was the whole
 thing behind my Vids I Like tab on my sitebut does anyone ever
 check out that? How do I also show the things and stuff I like from
 other people on my front page, where most of the action happens?...

 Great thoughts so far from everyoneI love it!!

 Heath
 http://heathparks.com


 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 Rupert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I did a video rant about this a couple of weeks ago.
 
  I've been thinking about different layouts and ways of presenting
  things since then.
 
  Great thoughts, Ron - particularly what you note how we're
  comfortable with line-by-line communication in a vertical format,
 but
  how it's limited the success of the traditional videoblog - and
 how
  daunting it is for a viewer to face a bunch of videos in a line
 down
  the page.
 
  I've seen this problem when watching people go to my videoblog.
  It's not just a problem for the viewer, it's a problem for the
 producer.
 
  Reading your post made me realise how much I've forced myself to
 like
  the blog format because that's what everyone uses - even though
  initially I thought it sucked. But when we started out, it was
 the
  easiest way to do publishing and podcasting.
 
  Now I've totally fallen out of love with the blog format. So much
 so
  that I can't seem to drum up the motivation to put any energy into
  making videos until I can feel good about how I publish them.
 
  I've been thinking about the successful shows you mentioned - FU,
  Ninja, Rocketboom. Wreck  Salvage and LoFi St Louis have good
 new
  designs, too - which encourage people to browse more freely and
 don't
  force the reader to deal with this heirarchy of freshness/relevance.
 
  For me, I think there may be an element of needing more
 interlinked
  networking between producers - to allow people to browse outside
 of
  your own videos. Jesus, that sounds like a web-ring. But isn't
 that
  the best thing about YouTube? That you can choose to see more
 videos
  by the same person or jump to something related but made by
 someone
  totally different?
 
  I don't know. I'm stuck. But it's good to read your thoughts on
 it.
 
  Rupert
  http://twittervlog.tv
 
  On 10-Dec-08, at 10:05 AM, Ron Watson wrote:
 
  Great topic, Heath!
 
  I've been doing online video since 1998, and I was very excited with
  the explosion of digital video in 2005. It was awesome!
 
  I dabbled with wordpress and the blog format for a while, but it was
  obvious to me rather quickly that the long vertical videoblog (and
  blog, for that matter) was a dead end in terms of viability.
 
  It's daunting to scroll down a page and see an hour of video. It
  makes the small, short flicks and turns them into a day long
 endeavor.
 
  I think the traditional blog format is great for RSS feeds and for
  archival purposes, but as far as presentation of content, it's not
  good for holding people's attention.
 
  If you're content is very special or totally rock solid, you can
 hold
  an audience, but you are fighting against a faulty design.
 
  There are 2 ways in which the traditional blog layout fails for
 video
  blogging.
 
  Story telling and Community.
 
  ---
  Story Telling
  ---
 
  I took a critical look at a person from this list's new project, and
  that's what I found to be the critical fault in the presentation of
  content. He had all this great content, a really sweet, honest and
  appealing vibe, 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-10 Thread Jay dedman
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm in the process of rethinking/redesigning my whole approach to online
 video and videblogging.
 The one thought that is solid now: decoupling the concept of
 RSS/Subscribe-ability from presentation. The blog format is a convenient
 means of providing updates to the small subset of my viewers that uses feed
 readers and whatnot via rss, but that doesn't mean a blog has to be the the
 format in which the material itself is viewed.
 Don't know where its going but I'm certainly following the discussion here
 with great interest.
 I do think a blog is still a viable format for a highly conceptual or
 series-based project.

Im glad Heath started this thread.
Maybe we need to identify what people don't like.
When someone says i dont like the blog...is it just the nature of
posts from Recent to old?

When I first thought about posting video online, Peter Van Djick
showed me how to blog because i didnt know how to code html.
he recognized that it would be too difficult for me to code a website
everytime I wanted to post a new video.
That's why the blog as a CMS was so smart.
Youtube is a CMS.
all these videos sites we use are content management systems.

I also have wanted more control of how things looked on my blog.
I wish I could just drag and drop different elements on my blog in real time.
I wish i wasnt hampered by this is the sidebar...this is the
headerthis is the footer...
and to change any of this stuff, I have to go into the code to change it.

I would love to have a CMS where I can overlap things, and rearrange
content everyday just by dragging it around.

Jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790


Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-10 Thread Jay dedman
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The only issue and it's not really an issue is that you have to
 manually define the related video's with Charles's plugin. It would
 be nice if it just randomly selected related video's and have the
 option to select one's yourself. And while I do like SIAB, there are
 still some drawbacks that I think are stil mainly related to the
 whole blog structure.

yeah...showinabox.tv/forum was really just a way to start a new
conversation about using video and Worpress since WP seemed to be the
preferred blogging platform. SIAB is by no means a technical solution.
the experience has taught us just how much development/design work it
takes to make new themes and plugins. Plus the maintenance of these
things you build as well.

by the way, the wordpress community has about 100 video plugins:
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/search.php/page/7?q=video

Jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790


[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-10 Thread myfirstmemorydotorg
Actually there is a nice drupal/WP template out there that does
exactly that. I am trying to remember the name, but can't...
I remember the basic theme was blue, 3 columns, with an old-mac feel
to the module styling

Cheers,
MFM

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm in the process of rethinking/redesigning my whole approach to
online
  video and videblogging.
  The one thought that is solid now: decoupling the concept of
  RSS/Subscribe-ability from presentation. The blog format is a
convenient
  means of providing updates to the small subset of my viewers that
uses feed
  readers and whatnot via rss, but that doesn't mean a blog has to
be the the
  format in which the material itself is viewed.
  Don't know where its going but I'm certainly following the
discussion here
  with great interest.
  I do think a blog is still a viable format for a highly conceptual or
  series-based project.
 
 Im glad Heath started this thread.
 Maybe we need to identify what people don't like.
 When someone says i dont like the blog...is it just the nature of
 posts from Recent to old?
 
 When I first thought about posting video online, Peter Van Djick
 showed me how to blog because i didnt know how to code html.
 he recognized that it would be too difficult for me to code a website
 everytime I wanted to post a new video.
 That's why the blog as a CMS was so smart.
 Youtube is a CMS.
 all these videos sites we use are content management systems.
 
 I also have wanted more control of how things looked on my blog.
 I wish I could just drag and drop different elements on my blog in
real time.
 I wish i wasnt hampered by this is the sidebar...this is the
 headerthis is the footer...
 and to change any of this stuff, I have to go into the code to
change it.
 
 I would love to have a CMS where I can overlap things, and rearrange
 content everyday just by dragging it around.
 
 Jay
 
 -- 
 http://jaydedman.com
 917 371 6790





Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-10 Thread Ron Watson
Have you seen this? It's pretty sweet!
http://mochaui.com/demo/

Peace,
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com



On Dec 10, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Jay dedman wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
  I'm in the process of rethinking/redesigning my whole approach to  
 online
  video and videblogging.
  The one thought that is solid now: decoupling the concept of
  RSS/Subscribe-ability from presentation. The blog format is a  
 convenient
  means of providing updates to the small subset of my viewers that  
 uses feed
  readers and whatnot via rss, but that doesn't mean a blog has to  
 be the the
  format in which the material itself is viewed.
  Don't know where its going but I'm certainly following the  
 discussion here
  with great interest.
  I do think a blog is still a viable format for a highly  
 conceptual or
  series-based project.

 Im glad Heath started this thread.
 Maybe we need to identify what people don't like.
 When someone says i dont like the blog...is it just the nature of
 posts from Recent to old?

 When I first thought about posting video online, Peter Van Djick
 showed me how to blog because i didnt know how to code html.
 he recognized that it would be too difficult for me to code a website
 everytime I wanted to post a new video.
 That's why the blog as a CMS was so smart.
 Youtube is a CMS.
 all these videos sites we use are content management systems.

 I also have wanted more control of how things looked on my blog.
 I wish I could just drag and drop different elements on my blog in  
 real time.
 I wish i wasnt hampered by this is the sidebar...this is the
 headerthis is the footer...
 and to change any of this stuff, I have to go into the code to  
 change it.

 I would love to have a CMS where I can overlap things, and rearrange
 content everyday just by dragging it around.

 Jay

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 http://jaydedman.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-10 Thread Ron Watson
Just drag and drop the folder onto your server and it's good to go.

Crazy stuff, man!

peace,
Ron Watson
http://k9disc.blip.tv
http://k9disc.com
http://discdogradio.com
http://pawsitivevybe.com



On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Ron Watson wrote:

 Have you seen this? It's pretty sweet!
 http://mochaui.com/demo/

 Peace,
 Ron Watson
 http://k9disc.blip.tv
 http://k9disc.com
 http://discdogradio.com
 http://pawsitivevybe.com

 On Dec 10, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Jay dedman wrote:

  On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Brook Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   I'm in the process of rethinking/redesigning my whole approach to
  online
   video and videblogging.
   The one thought that is solid now: decoupling the concept of
   RSS/Subscribe-ability from presentation. The blog format is a
  convenient
   means of providing updates to the small subset of my viewers that
  uses feed
   readers and whatnot via rss, but that doesn't mean a blog has to
  be the the
   format in which the material itself is viewed.
   Don't know where its going but I'm certainly following the
  discussion here
   with great interest.
   I do think a blog is still a viable format for a highly
  conceptual or
   series-based project.
 
  Im glad Heath started this thread.
  Maybe we need to identify what people don't like.
  When someone says i dont like the blog...is it just the nature of
  posts from Recent to old?
 
  When I first thought about posting video online, Peter Van Djick
  showed me how to blog because i didnt know how to code html.
  he recognized that it would be too difficult for me to code a  
 website
  everytime I wanted to post a new video.
  That's why the blog as a CMS was so smart.
  Youtube is a CMS.
  all these videos sites we use are content management systems.
 
  I also have wanted more control of how things looked on my blog.
  I wish I could just drag and drop different elements on my blog in
  real time.
  I wish i wasnt hampered by this is the sidebar...this is the
  headerthis is the footer...
  and to change any of this stuff, I have to go into the code to
  change it.
 
  I would love to have a CMS where I can overlap things, and rearrange
  content everyday just by dragging it around.
 
  Jay
 
  --
  http://jaydedman.com
  917 371 6790
 
 

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[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-10 Thread Heath
Right, WP does have a lot of video plugins, and I do like WP as a way
to have my site, but on the video plugin front it seems most are
just a way to collect random video's from YT, etc.  Now I will admit I
have not looked at all the video plugins but in this whole process of
re-doing my sites, I looked at a lot of plugins...There are plugins to
display your video, podpress, flash players, Vodpod and a couple of
others but none really address the look of the site and to be honest
the Blip player is starting to look really, really good.  

So then we are to embed and there are a few that help with that, but
again, some are hinky, some won't work with the latest wordpress and
some are just bad.  

Then you have all your recent posts or ramdom postsmost don't take
advantage of the Video format or even the photo format to be
honest...there are a few that I have seen but again, they are a bit
hinky, I mean if I have to go into code, or read a freakin novel to
figure out how a plugin is to work.that doesn't appeal to me...I
am a creatorI am not a programer, I mean I have learned stuff, but
it makes my head hurt and then once I figure something out on the code
side the creative part of me is beat and I don't feel like making the
very thing I wanted to make in the first place..

That for me is one of my biggest struggles, balancing the look of my
site and just creating the stuffI admire those who do both

I am glad to see so much conversation going on though, it's good to
just talk about all this and who knows maybe we can find/make a better
way...  ;)

Heath
http://heathparks.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The only issue and it's not really an issue is that you have to
  manually define the related video's with Charles's plugin. It would
  be nice if it just randomly selected related video's and have the
  option to select one's yourself. And while I do like SIAB, there are
  still some drawbacks that I think are stil mainly related to the
  whole blog structure.
 
 yeah...showinabox.tv/forum was really just a way to start a new
 conversation about using video and Worpress since WP seemed to be the
 preferred blogging platform. SIAB is by no means a technical solution.
 the experience has taught us just how much development/design work it
 takes to make new themes and plugins. Plus the maintenance of these
 things you build as well.
 
 by the way, the wordpress community has about 100 video plugins:
 http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/search.php/page/7?q=video
 
 Jay
 
 -- 
 http://jaydedman.com
 917 371 6790





Re: [videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-10 Thread Jay dedman
 Then you have all your recent posts or ramdom postsmost don't take
 advantage of the Video format or even the photo format to be
 honest...there are a few that I have seen but again, they are a bit
 hinky, I mean if I have to go into code, or read a freakin novel to
 figure out how a plugin is to work.that doesn't appeal to me...I
 am a creatorI am not a programer, I mean I have learned stuff, but
 it makes my head hurt and then once I figure something out on the code
 side the creative part of me is beat and I don't feel like making the
 very thing I wanted to make in the first place..
 That for me is one of my biggest struggles, balancing the look of my
 site and just creating the stuffI admire those who do both

totally agreed.
as a video creator, i get stuck on how much PHP or CSS i need to learn
to build my site.

This is why I wish I could have a Blog (content management system),
but I could manipulate he look like my desktop.
I just drag around the elements to where I want them.
I dont want sidebar, header, footer...i want anything to be where I
want it by just manipulating with my cursor.

jay

-- 
http://jaydedman.com
917 371 6790


[videoblogging] Re: Does the Blog format work for Vlogging anymore?

2008-12-10 Thread RatbagMedia
The core complication isn't so much video per se but the whole Web 2.0
multimedia explosion. Text is easy to format and showcase -- we've
been laying it out for centuries -- but digital media is a major
complication. 

I come from audio blogging/podcasting and the rot sets in when you try
to combine media elements -- in my case: text + audio + digital
presentations ('powerpoints') + slide shows + videos. While this
discussion list no doubt has some QuickTime preferences the unifying
(and contradictory) element on the web is flash media.

That changes the dialogue a lot.

In mindset I'm a total bloggerfile as I know nuthin'  else to speak
about so I tend to pursue the glorious  quest of trying to get as much
return as I can from the one blog platform -- in my case , Blogger.
Thats' all I know.

Nonetheless I think the Blip TV channel player is the best media
showcase hardware I've come across on the web. So that guests on my
videoblog too.

Elsewhere I am very eclectic and in other blogs I work on I like to
use Vodpod widgets and the new Vodspot platform.

http://blog.vodpod.com/2008/12/09/announcing-vodspot/

and I cross post like mad --albeit selectively.

While I will subscribe keenly to an audio feed and automatically
download the Mp3 files I won't do that for video, preferring instead
to monitor videoblogging sites by subscribing to their feeds in Google
reader. I then quickly review their content before deciding to
continue watching. ( I don't however sample audio like that.)

So what the site looks like is neither here nor there as RSS rules.

Nonetheless with site showcasing -- and I do this with audio -- it is
often useful to divide up your offerings into themes. I currently
offer standalone players for Best of my videos,  Videos from
elsewhere and my own all-in channel in the same way that I always
divide up my audio wares and offer them in pop up players.

But the reality is, I fear, that no one knows how to design the best
of all possible web or video sites so there are all these people
working away at the coal face, tweaking as they go -- designing a 
better mousetrap

Nonethless,some of the best video feeds I subscribe can emanate from
the most sterile of CSS sites. So let's not get too caught up in 
form over content.

dave riley
http://ratbaggy.blogspot.com/