[videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
I have to agree with you. Until all of this media revolution becomes a million times less geeky it will only appeal to a niche audience. I wonder about a web technology like AJAX that not only loaded files, but an entire secure site, in a seamless layer over the current web page. So the experience for the viewer was uninterrupted and linear. No back button, or navigating away needed. also, until corporations or the military or the govt. have a use for this service I doubt it will see light of day. Unless there is some huge dividend for shareholders, who cares about independent artists making 2 cents on their site. cheers adam --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton bhin...@... wrote: on your site you have a little button that takes folks to another site where they buy credits - $ 5.00 or $ 10.00 at a time. Then they come back to your site, and click on a video that they want to watch, that costs 2 cents. Most non-geek/tech/online-most-of-the-time folks will give up if they have to go to another site then come back or deal with something like credits. To break through this sort of thing needs an interface that works for people who don't spend lots of time online and don't understand navigation beyond the back button and their bookmarks. I think breakthrough curation sites will use minimalist, simple designs and interfaces that can be mastered without thought by total novices. Your grandma who has only used the internet for yahoo mail has to not need to call anyone for help or look anything up, and feel totally confident that everything involving money is completely, utterly secure. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
I have some constructive criticism in regards to the Flick Bank micro-payment idea; I don't think it will work, since making an average (non-fan) end user go to another site to buy credits and have him return back to the show's site, is making the whole experience hard for the user. Rule of thumb when it comes to user interactivity online: Make it fool-proof easy for them and they will find it useful. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@... wrote: highly recommend you read Ted Nelson's original stuff from the 60s on hypertext and micropayments. He had a similar system except it also allowed for quotation and applied to all content. Ted's stuff won't help you build it but it might help solidify the ideas? On 12/01/2009, at 5:50 AM, Milt Lee wrote: That article was excellent. I've been contemplating a technology that would make all this happen much sooner. Suppose (and I'm sure many people have) that you had a system where folks could give you a few cents every time they looked at a video. Let's say you have a site with 10 videos that anybody can watch, and then you post 20 or 30 or 100 more that it costs anywhere from 1 cent to 10 cents ( or more) for people to watch. And on your site you have a little button that takes folks to another site where they buy credits - $ 5.00 or $ 10.00 at a time. Then they come back to your site, and click on a video that they want to watch, that costs 2 cents. They watch it and they are happy, and you've made two cents. Now when you reach a certain threshold - say $ 10.00, the Flick Bank deposits the money in your paypal account. You can let it gather if want. (Maybe the Flick bank pays interest??) The way this starts is that somebody puts together the Flick Kicks Bank, and starts signing up artists. Then Flick Kicks starts promoting the idea that people should get paid for their work. The problem that has held this back - that has stopped this process of mini-micro payments is that up until now, merchant account or Paypal, have charged $ .30 a transaction plus 2.7%. With this new system, Flicks has to pay for the transaction - but only once. So even though $ 5.00 represents 200-250 transactions, there's only one charge at the beginning and one that the artist pays, when they get their money. Anybody want to help me build this? cheers Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@... bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
highly recommend you read Ted Nelson's original stuff from the 60s on hypertext and micropayments. He had a similar system except it also allowed for quotation and applied to all content. Ted's stuff won't help you build it but it might help solidify the ideas? On 12/01/2009, at 5:50 AM, Milt Lee wrote: That article was excellent. I've been contemplating a technology that would make all this happen much sooner. Suppose (and I'm sure many people have) that you had a system where folks could give you a few cents every time they looked at a video. Let's say you have a site with 10 videos that anybody can watch, and then you post 20 or 30 or 100 more that it costs anywhere from 1 cent to 10 cents ( or more) for people to watch. And on your site you have a little button that takes folks to another site where they buy credits - $ 5.00 or $ 10.00 at a time. Then they come back to your site, and click on a video that they want to watch, that costs 2 cents. They watch it and they are happy, and you've made two cents. Now when you reach a certain threshold - say $ 10.00, the Flick Bank deposits the money in your paypal account. You can let it gather if want. (Maybe the Flick bank pays interest??) The way this starts is that somebody puts together the Flick Kicks Bank, and starts signing up artists. Then Flick Kicks starts promoting the idea that people should get paid for their work. The problem that has held this back - that has stopped this process of mini-micro payments is that up until now, merchant account or Paypal, have charged $ .30 a transaction plus 2.7%. With this new system, Flicks has to pay for the transaction - but only once. So even though $ 5.00 represents 200-250 transactions, there's only one charge at the beginning and one that the artist pays, when they get their money. Anybody want to help me build this? cheers Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@rmit.edu.au bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
Most non-geek/tech/online-most-of-the-time folks will give up if they have to go to another site then come back or deal with something like credits. That maybe true. I wonder about how many people actually sign up for Paypal when they find that that's the only way to pay. It's an interesting question and probably could only be answered by lots of testing. Actually, the link takes them directly to the shop where the videos reside, right to the particular category, which is also linked in a menu item. Same exact menu items for each dog sport discipline. This is not personal video either, and it's worth more than 2 cents. Do you know what it costs to take a seminar with us? With the other trainers that will be offering video instruction? It's not cheap, and I'm not sure what the dog training thing is about, but the comment does raise an interesting question. Even if a video/film cost $ 10,000 or 100,000 to produce - how much will somebody be willing to pay - when they are basically NOT paying for anything right now? My idea of 2 cents was a way to lower the bar to get people used to the idea of paying for anything. I think that the original article about changing the basic proposition away from advertising to a search for content was correct. That's the direction that we need to move in.
[videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
Im not sure if I am excited about micropayments in the way I was a few years back. Personally there is content I would pay nothing for, regular content I would pay a subscription for, and certain videos that have enough value for me that Id pay reasonable money for one video (eg 3d software training). I cant think of any videos that Id be willing to pay just cents for. Possibly its something to do with the psychology of value, something is either worth quite a bit to me or its worth nothing, and if I was creating content I dont think Id want to put such a cheap price on it. If I was looking for very small return per vid, I would go downthe subscription route. How low does a price need to be to count as a micropayment? If we are talking about $1 for a video, then I get more interested. The points systems on games consoles are a potential micropayment system. I buy say 2000 points for £20 or whatever, and then I use those points in their online store to buy little games, rent videos etc. Unfortunately most content costs hundreds of points, probably pushing it beyond micropayments, but all the technology is there, they could offer indy content for 50 points each tomorrow, without needing to modify the infrastructure. Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Milt Lee m...@... wrote: Most non-geek/tech/online-most-of-the-time folks will give up if they have to go to another site then come back or deal with something like credits. That maybe true. I wonder about how many people actually sign up for Paypal when they find that that's the only way to pay. It's an interesting question and probably could only be answered by lots of testing. Actually, the link takes them directly to the shop where the videos reside, right to the particular category, which is also linked in a menu item. Same exact menu items for each dog sport discipline. This is not personal video either, and it's worth more than 2 cents. Do you know what it costs to take a seminar with us? With the other trainers that will be offering video instruction? It's not cheap, and I'm not sure what the dog training thing is about, but the comment does raise an interesting question. Even if a video/film cost $ 10,000 or 100,000 to produce - how much will somebody be willing to pay - when they are basically NOT paying for anything right now? My idea of 2 cents was a way to lower the bar to get people used to the idea of paying for anything. I think that the original article about changing the basic proposition away from advertising to a search for content was correct. That's the direction that we need to move in.
[videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
Steve, What you say about value is true - of course if a piece is good, it's worth lots more than 2 cents. But that's not the point. The point is - is anybody getting anything for their work? And how do you change the perception that stuff on the web has worth, and should be paid for? Maybe it's impossible. Subscriptions are a thought, but again, how many people have subscriptions that folks are actually signing up for? You can produce for Current,and they will pay for the work. You can do very popular work for YouTube and also make money. Then there is the rest of the world. I don't claim to know what is going to work - I'm really just responding to the article. Thanks for all your thoughts, Milt
[videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
Jeffrey, There was an error in the URL you provided for the article. The actual link is: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rosenbaum/5-trends-that-will-change_\ b_155119.html Nick Friedman www.DUCKPONDtv.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, liza jean dared...@... wrote: thanx for the article. so here's a new year resolution for we at dyna-flix.com - get on a lot more lists. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytaylor@ wrote: All of you folks out there wanting to make money off of web-based video, take a look at Steve Rosenbaum's article here. His #1 prediction is that the Curation Economy will boom in 2009. Who are the curators? Anyone. I just wish the money-holders weren't so damn slow on the uptake. Imagine what would be possible if poeple got this 3 or 4 years ago? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rosenbaum/5-trends-that-will- change_b_155119.html -- Jeffrey Taylor 912 Cole St, #349 San Francisco, CA 94117 USA Mobile: +14157281264 Fax: +33177722734 http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor http://organicconversations.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
That article was excellent. I've been contemplating a technology that would make all this happen much sooner. Suppose (and I'm sure many people have) that you had a system where folks could give you a few cents every time they looked at a video. Let's say you have a site with 10 videos that anybody can watch, and then you post 20 or 30 or 100 more that it costs anywhere from 1 cent to 10 cents ( or more) for people to watch. And on your site you have a little button that takes folks to another site where they buy credits - $ 5.00 or $ 10.00 at a time. Then they come back to your site, and click on a video that they want to watch, that costs 2 cents. They watch it and they are happy, and you've made two cents. Now when you reach a certain threshold - say $ 10.00, the Flick Bank deposits the money in your paypal account. You can let it gather if want. (Maybe the Flick bank pays interest??) The way this starts is that somebody puts together the Flick Kicks Bank, and starts signing up artists. Then Flick Kicks starts promoting the idea that people should get paid for their work. The problem that has held this back - that has stopped this process of mini-micro payments is that up until now, merchant account or Paypal, have charged $ .30 a transaction plus 2.7%. With this new system, Flicks has to pay for the transaction - but only once. So even though $ 5.00 represents 200-250 transactions, there's only one charge at the beginning and one that the artist pays, when they get their money. Anybody want to help me build this? Milt
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
Let's say you have a site with 10 videos that anybody can watch, and then you post 20 or 30 or 100 more that it costs anywhere from 1 cent to 10 cents ( or more) for people to watch. And on your site you have a little button that takes folks to another site where they buy credits - $ 5.00 or $ 10.00 at a time. Then they come back to your site, and click on a video that they want to watch, that costs 2 cents. They watch it and they are happy, and you've made two cents. Looks like it's time to revisit the Micropayments debate. Clay Shirky in 2000: http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2000/12/19/micropayments.html Clay Shirky in 2003: http://www.shirky.com/writings/fame_vs_fortune.html Scout McCloud rebuttal: http://www.scottmccloud.com/home/essays/2003-09-micros/micros.html Our very own Nathan Frietas even made a great site that allowed you to charge for downloads: http://cruxy.com/ I know he intimately understands shaving pennies fromm online transaction fees. Jay -- http://ryanishungry.com http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
on your site you have a little button that takes folks to another site where they buy credits - $ 5.00 or $ 10.00 at a time. Then they come back to your site, and click on a video that they want to watch, that costs 2 cents. Most non-geek/tech/online-most-of-the-time folks will give up if they have to go to another site then come back or deal with something like credits. To break through this sort of thing needs an interface that works for people who don't spend lots of time online and don't understand navigation beyond the back button and their bookmarks. I think breakthrough curation sites will use minimalist, simple designs and interfaces that can be mastered without thought by total novices. Your grandma who has only used the internet for yahoo mail has to not need to call anyone for help or look anything up, and feel totally confident that everything involving money is completely, utterly secure. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
on your site you have a little button that takes folks to another site where they buy credits - $ 5.00 or $ 10.00 at a time. Then they come back to your site, and click on a video that they want to watch, that costs 2 cents. Most non-geek/tech/online-most-of-the-time folks will give up if they have to go to another site then come back or deal with something like credits. To break through this sort of thing needs an interface that works for people who don't spend lots of time online and don't understand navigation beyond the back button and their bookmarks. I think breakthrough curation sites will use minimalist, simple designs and interfaces that can be mastered without thought by total novices. Your grandma who has only used the internet for yahoo mail has to not need to call anyone for help or look anything up, and feel totally confident that everything involving money is completely, utterly secure. I appreciate the comments, Brook. Actually, the link takes them directly to the shop where the videos reside, right to the particular category, which is also linked in a menu item. Same exact menu items for each dog sport discipline. The videos are aptly titled Japanese Dog Catch - which is a wicked disc dog move that most people think is impossible, and most people would love to learn. I teach it in 5 minutes to just about anyone and it's as simple as pie. Front Cross Foundation - an elementary move in Agility, but a million ways to teach it and to improve it, shaving seconds off a team's time. Hitting the End of the Dock - something that all dock jumping dogs need to do. Many take off 2 feet from the end of the dock. Seeing as how inches count in dock diving, adding 2 feet to a jump is HUGE. And it's actual money, not credits, although I've toyed around with that. Trying to make it as simple as possible, but it's not a simple site. It's friggin' HUGE. Perhaps it's too big, I don't know. This is not personal video either, and it's worth more than 2 cents. Do you know what it costs to take a seminar with us? With the other trainers that will be offering video instruction? It's not cheap, and most people come in wanting one or 2 skills. People drive hundreds of miles to our seminars. People drive a thousand miles to come train here at our place. I run into this 'hobbyist' thing and underestimated value all the time, and it's frustrating. Clean Run, an agility Magazine, does $8million in revenue. That's one sport. People pay $400 for a couple days of seminar work in Agility. The economy has tanked, people can't afford that anymore. That's where we step in. Sorry to hit the list with this stuff, but you guys are really the best resource I have for what I'm trying to do, and if I can dial this in it might be a nice model for others. I know it's not quite a 'videoblogging' topic, but it sure does dance around the edges of topicality. peace, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://discdogradio.com http://pawsitivevybe.com On Jan 11, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Brook Hinton wrote: on your site you have a little button that takes folks to another site where they buy credits - $ 5.00 or $ 10.00 at a time. Then they come back to your site, and click on a video that they want to watch, that costs 2 cents. Most non-geek/tech/online-most-of-the-time folks will give up if they have to go to another site then come back or deal with something like credits. To break through this sort of thing needs an interface that works for people who don't spend lots of time online and don't understand navigation beyond the back button and their bookmarks. I think breakthrough curation sites will use minimalist, simple designs and interfaces that can be mastered without thought by total novices. Your grandma who has only used the internet for yahoo mail has to not need to call anyone for help or look anything up, and feel totally confident that everything involving money is completely, utterly secure. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Really Great Article on Media Trends and the Curation Economy
thanx for the article. so here's a new year resolution for we at dyna-flix.com - get on a lot more lists. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jeffrey Taylor thejeffreytay...@... wrote: All of you folks out there wanting to make money off of web-based video, take a look at Steve Rosenbaum's article here. His #1 prediction is that the Curation Economy will boom in 2009. Who are the curators? Anyone. I just wish the money-holders weren't so damn slow on the uptake. Imagine what would be possible if poeple got this 3 or 4 years ago? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-rosenbaum/5-trends-that-will- change_b_155119.html -- Jeffrey Taylor 912 Cole St, #349 San Francisco, CA 94117 USA Mobile: +14157281264 Fax: +33177722734 http://twitter.com/jeffreytaylor http://organicconversations.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
