Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
This is the funnest thread ever. Ronen YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
I think the source of frustration is that historical posts (on both sides of the fence) seem to justify their choice of audience by implying it is somehow superior to others. That's not really the case ... they are just different options. The frustration comes when posts imply that a vlog is either boring and not palatable to the masses (as if appealing to the masses is a required aspect to any worthy vlog), or that it's just the same-old-same-old corporate-esk mass media content put up on the web ... That the creators of vlogs are either mundane folks who just don't get the potential of the medium they are using, or they are opportunistic corporate-like entities not at all interested in the intimacy vlogging can provide. Both are extremes and not reality ... but both have been implied on both sides of the content debate (and just because someone cant find a word-for-word statement of something doesn't mean it cant be or hasn't been implied). Of course vloggers understand the medium. We needn't confuse the fact that they aren't of earth shacking importance or bound to be wildly popular as 'not getting it' ... that's a choice they've made. They're ok with knowing that at best 5 people are going to chuckle as they film themselves brushing their teeth. They get it. They get it just fine. They don't need to be popular, or have a point, or care about either to be exactly on target. On the flip side of the coin ... Rocketboom is great. No it doesn't foster the intimacy required to make brushing your teeth interesting ... but that doesn't make it any less valuable. Yes it can be 'entertaining' to a far wider group of people than a personal-journal vlog ... but that doesn't make it any more valuable. RB is designed to reach a very wide audience. It uses a proven format that many people can immediately warm up to and enjoy. And the fact that this is exactly what has happened does not make it evil, and it does not make it a more valid format of vlog ... it's simply the result of a more themed based vlog. I'm not sure what backlash you are getting Andrew, but I think Verdi is taking exception to statements not format / content. Its not really the world's fault that more people respond to content that is intended to be entertaining. Just try to remember that the above quote is mis-leading. the corrected version is: Its not really the world's fault that more people respond to content that is intended to be entertaining *to the masses*. Some vlogs are only aiming to be 'entertaining' to friends/family/random-like-minded-people. Your original quote implies that personal vlogs are something they are not ... or rather are not something that they are. They are in fact meant to be entertainig ... to a very select group. The are responded to - quite well often ... by a small and intimate group of people. - Dave -- http://www.DavidMeade.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
On Nov 21, 2005, at 11:14 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: I still don't see any justification for all the backlash against Amanda and myself right now. On Nov 21, 2005, at 12:25 PM, David Meade wrote: I'm not sure what backlash you are getting Andrew, but I think Verdi is taking exception to statements not format / content. Okay, let me try again. For those of you who don't know, I'm not against Rocketboom or the idea of creating a videoblogging show. Earlier this year I spent a month working on Rocketboom as the editor. Also, sometime early 2006 you may just see a show from me. That being said, what I take exception to is what David has pointed out - Andrew's statements. Now Andrew, you may feel that I've got it all out of context and that you didn't mean those things that way. Let me just tell you that I and others read them, the way they are worded, as dismissive and patronizing. Again you may think we have it wrong but that doesn't change the words. You can think of it like this: Let's say you accidentally hit me and say, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hit you. I'd respond, no problem, it's okay. Then let's say it happens again. This time I might ask you to be more careful. Then let's say it happens a third time. Now I might start to think something is up. I might start to think that you really mean to hit me even though you claim that you didn't mean it. At some point, after this has gone on a half dozen or so times, I'd get pretty pissed off. I'd start to defend myself. I might even hit back. See, just blaming me for not understanding that your intent is different than your words just doesn't cut it. -Verdi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
Ok, well maybe this fresh attack comes in the hopes that you would get me to breakdown and defend myself again. All I can say then is that technically, your logic is not applicable because you make it seem as though I have been hitting you or something. All I said to you Verdi is that you are a pro at ripping a sentence fragment out of context and even better than anyone at universalizing. Lets take a look at how you broke into this post. Instead of being defensive, I just want to show how you entered into the conversation. As you can see below, its very aggressive, you were very guilty of universalizing and you assumed that it was you I was talking to all this time, a problem you may want to look more closely at since I had never mentioned you before this. So again, here is how you entered into the thread out of left-field: Why is it that you seem to think that individuals that videoblog are doing it in the pursuit of personal celebrity? Why can't they be doing it to document their lives or to connect with friends and family? Are you saying that anyone who publishes a blog, podcast or videoblog that contains information about their lives is aiming for personal celebrity? Is that what you're doing at dembot.com? Or, playing devil's advocate, couldn't someone make a case that Rocketboom is a vehicle to enhance Amanda's personal celebrity thereby hopefully producing offers of acting jobs? It seems to me that you throw around these comments (this one and others in the past) about individuals videoblogging as if what they (we) are doing is less valid, less bloggy, and now, it seems, to advance our own personal celebrity as if we were some scheming college student trying to get picked for the next Real World cast. Verdi Verdi's first weigh in on the police post On Nov 21, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Verdi wrote: Okay, let me try again. For those of you who don't know, I'm not against Rocketboom or the idea of creating a videoblogging show. Earlier this year I spent a month working on Rocketboom as the editor. Also, sometime early 2006 you may just see a show from me. That being said, what I take exception to is what David has pointed out - Andrew's statements. Now Andrew, you may feel that I've got it all out of context and that you didn't mean those things that way. Yep. Let me just tell you that I and others read them, the way they are worded, as dismissive and patronizing. Out of context. Again you may think we have it wrong but that doesn't change the words. Nope. You can think of it like this: Let's say you accidentally hit me and say, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hit you. Yep. I'd respond, no problem, it's okay. Then let's say it happens again. If it did. This time I might ask you to be more careful. If you were thinking. Then let's say it happens a third time. Three times hu? Wow, strike out. Now I might start to think something is up. Might you? I might start to think that you really mean to hit me even though you claim that you didn't mean it. At some point, after this has gone on a half dozen or so times, I'd get pretty pissed off. Why wait that long to get upset is someone hit you that many times? But you said you. Who are we talking about me? I'd start to defend myself. So now you understand defense. I might even hit back. I wouldnt mean to hit back, but yea, you can understand where that comes from. See, just blaming me for not understanding that your intent is different than your words just doesn't cut it. Who ever blamed you? I just said I didnt want to see you naked. Thats the extent of any criticsm I have had for you. You must be assuming I think about you a lot and refer to you when I speak out. Not the case. -Verdi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
Fucking forget it Andrew. You don't get it. You don't seem to want to get it. I doubt you ever will get it. This thread has truly become a comedy of your inability to even conceive that people could read your words and get from them something other than what you intended. -Verdi On Nov 21, 2005, at 1:31 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: All I can say then is that technically, your logic is not applicable because you make it seem as though I have been hitting you or something. All I said to you Verdi is that you are a pro at ripping a sentence fragment out of context and even better than anyone at universalizing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
Wow! I missed this whole discussion up to this point. I have to now catch up. I enjoy the full spectrum of what is going on in the vlogosphere from personal vlogs to more themed vlogs. I tend to lean towards the themed approach myself as it appeals more to my senses. I'll be unveiling a new vlog show in the next couple of weeks that should prove to be fairly interesting. Let's see more people push the envelope as to what this whole vlog experience is all about. Don't stop the personal vlogs. Those are truly gems in their own right.Anyway, now it is time for me to catch up with this discussion and see how it unfolded.On a self-promotional note, check out this months "International Documentary" magazine. I wrote an article in there on the Documentary scene in Queens, NY.Sincerely loving my vlogging experience.Best, LynnLynn LaneCoal River Pictures/SKILLZ DVD Magazinewebsite: www.CoalRiverPictures.comemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Vlogs:"Docmaker on the Go"vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.comfeed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmaker"Hip-Hop Vlog"vlog: http://hiphopvlog.blogspot.comfeed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/hiphopvlogComing Soon:www.Vlogumentarian.comwww.VlogReporter.comAIVF/IDARing 8 MemberNYC On Nov 19, 2005, at 5:27 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: On Nov 19, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Verdi wrote: I'm referring to how you have on a number of occasions (recently even) made statements about how most everyone who videoblogs just does a personal diary kind of thing Thats true. So what?and how you don't understand why more people don't do something along the lines of themed content of which you are fond. Show me one place where I say I don't understand why there is not more themed content. I wish there was, but so what? You often lump us into personal diary vs a show. Bull shit. These are just two of millions of possibilities. You guys need to show some evidence and stopping ripping shit out of context, I'm getting really fucking tired of it. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
Here's the deal as I see it Andrew, You'll almost always qualify your statements with something to the effect that individual, diary type videoblogging is good and important but then at the same time you say something really patronizing and dismissive about it which negates the former. Here are some examples: This gets to the reason why most videobloggers, I would argue (the personal diary ones) don't understand the weblog medium very well. They asume it's all personal or down to earth or something. The blogs I read have very intense, high-level information from experts that parallels the best in field, and it's this very important, very precisely thought out threads of information that I appreciate in weblogs and find reliable and trustworth enough to rely on. This is a kind of mentality that we strive for (and have a long way to go). But I think we very much adopt the weblog format. I know I get all of my inspiration from weblogs. So first you say we don't get the weblog medium very well, then in contrast you say you like well though out, expert information. That implies that we're incoherent and ill-informed. Personally, I am tired as hell of seeing videoblogs (the most of them) going on personal rants about videoblogging, video equiptment and off-topic, unthreaded banter about night time dreams and trivial activities. I think our approach, which so far is irrelevant to most videobloggers, is ultimately a blog-style approach to 'reblogging the news with commentary.' So mostly we have off-topic, unthreaded banter about night time dreams and trivial activities? Wtf? This is why I keep saying, I think their is still hardly a videoblogging movement at all in terms of reaching out into the world. We have political videoblogs, cooking videoblogs, and not much else except a bunch of people saying I see you, do you see me? I would like to see more. This is by no means meant to devalue all the amazing work most all of us are actually doing in terms of cheerleading, and spreading the word, building tools, ideas, etc. This is activity. Its just so unorganized and chaotic, it will be nice to see people start videoblogging threads. So we're unorganized and chaotic and the what it takes to really reach out to the world is to be more like Rocketboom? --- However my criticism really extends to most everyone. I have had a fews rant in the past about content. I remember arguing at first to even have a content section for vloggercon. Most videobloggs are random personal journals of self-discovery and technique exploration, it seems. I'm still just so surprised people have not locked on to themes more often. Of course there are some here that do, but its just strange to me that the vast majority are just random. I think choosing a more specific direction thematically, for many people, can be the thing that really spurs solid growth. Here you suggest we needed a content section at vloggercon because most videoblogs are random personal journals, which you infer, lack real content. --- If you had a deeper understanding of the medium though, you would likely understand that there are many ways to do things. A show format is one way of doing things. Its not really the world's fault that more people respond to content that is intended to be entertaining. Patronizing and dismissive. So your way is what's entertaining? There aren't more ways to be entertaining? We have to be entertaining? --- This one is a quote by Amanda that you defended: We wanted to have a creative video blog that would be palatable, she says. A lot of the video blogs out there are by someone in their bedroom, half-awake. Mainstream America is not going to want to watch that. We wanted to get people watching stuff online, to get people interested in this new medium. Your explanation of Amanda's quote: Since Ryanne was not asking Amanda about it, I thought I would try to give Ryanne an answer myself. Amanda didn't mean half-awake, as in half-baked, she meant, literally, doing mundane things like going to the mall and eating pizza - talking about what you dreamed of last night while you were asleep. This can be entertaining and usually it's not to most people who are not your close friends. We are trying to be entertaining, obviously. Here the two of you basically say that people just living their lives couldn't possibly be palatable or entertaining to a wide audience. -- So that's just some background. That's what's on my mind when I read the statement at the beginning of this thread that set us off on this long exchange of emails. I would assume Josh that someone could make the claim from looking through your videoblog that, as a whole, your videoblogging activity does not include fair use because your intent is the pursuit of personal celebrity. You throw out that personal
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
Yes, and once again, even though you rip this all out of context, so be it. I stand behind all of these statements even as fragments. Its absolutely true that the majority of the videobloggers out there, including yourself, are exactly this way - using videoblogging to share my life and meet new people, to make friends. Personal diaries. Its like Friendster for video and that is great, its how I met most of the friends I have now. I still wish and anticipate and can't wait to see more applied use of this medium in the world beyond making friends and showing each other their naked bodies and bodily excretions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Again, dismissive and patronizing. What arrogance. I guess we're done here. Verdi On Nov 20, 2005, at 2:13 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: Yes, and once again, even though you rip this all out of context, so be it. I stand behind all of these statements even as fragments. Its absolutely true that the majority of the videobloggers out there, including yourself, are exactly this way - using videoblogging to share my life and meet new people, to make friends. Personal diaries. Its like Friendster for video and that is great, its how I met most of the friends I have now. I still wish and anticipate and can't wait to see more applied use of this medium in the world beyond making friends and showing each other their naked bodies and bodily excretions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
And so it seemed, as I said before before you even came to this post. On Nov 20, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Verdi wrote: Again, dismissive and patronizing. What arrogance. I guess we're done here. Verdi On Nov 20, 2005, at 2:13 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: Yes, and once again, even though you rip this all out of context, so be it. I stand behind all of these statements even as fragments. Its absolutely true that the majority of the videobloggers out there, including yourself, are exactly this way - using videoblogging to share my life and meet new people, to make friends. Personal diaries. Its like Friendster for video and that is great, its how I met most of the friends I have now. I still wish and anticipate and can't wait to see more applied use of this medium in the world beyond making friends and showing each other their naked bodies and bodily excretions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I still wish and anticipate and can't wait to see more applied use of this medium in the world beyond making friends and showing each other their naked bodies and bodily excretions. i do truely believe that these videos will and have boosted my and verdi's personal celebrity status(es?) http://michaelverdi.com/index.php/2005/07/20/the-yang-of-vlogging/ http://ryanedit.blogspot.com/2005/03/every-28-days-for-40-years_04070790966059.html I've made lots of friends through this video as a matter of fact. gotta love that personal celebrity status Yahoo! Groups Links -- me: http://ryanedit.blogspot.com educate in person: http://nyc.node101.org educate online: http://freevlog.org videos i want you to see: http://revlog.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
so this brings up an interesting question (that i believe has been discussed here but no solid answers have been given) I know it is different for each country, but Gabe, and Nathan Peters have both run into police/civil workers saying that they do not want to be recorded... What are our rights when it comes to filming? Who can we film in public places? why is it illegal to film certain things? etc... I know that there are perfectly valid reasons for not allowing certain things to be filmed, but i want to know the exact rights i have when it comes to someone telling me you can't film here On 11/19/05, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cops illegally frisk a Gabe, a vlogger and his friend in a publicsquare in Amsterdam. Of course Gabe vlogged it. Great stuff:http://www.gabe.nl/2005/11/policed-state-in-amsterdam.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.comjoshspicks.blogspot.com wearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Fair use guidelines are used to determine what is okay and what is not. Its a gray area to some degree. 'Having been worried about this same question, esp here in NYC where it is almost impossible NOT to capture someone else, surprisingly, I have found that when "news gathering", or creating "parody" or pursuing other "fair use" agendas, you needn't worry about it, when in public. It greatly depends on your intent and your use. I would assume Josh that someone could make the claim from looking through your videoblog that, as a whole, your videoblogging activity does not include fair use because your intent is the pursuit of personal celebrity.On Nov 19, 2005, at 9:28 AM, Josh Leo wrote: so this brings up an interesting question (that i believe has been discussed here but no solid answers have been given) I know it is different for each country, but Gabe, and Nathan Peters have both run into police/civil workers saying that they do not want to be recorded... What are our rights when it comes to filming? Who can we film in public places? why is it illegal to film certain things? etc... I know that there are perfectly valid reasons for not allowing certain things to be filmed, but i want to know the exact rights i have when it comes to someone telling me "you can't film here" On 11/19/05, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cops illegally frisk a Gabe, a vlogger and his friend in a publicsquare in Amsterdam. Of course Gabe vlogged it. Great stuff:http://www.gabe.nl/2005/11/policed-state-in-amsterdam.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.comjoshspicks.blogspot.com wearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On 11/19/05, andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would assume Josh that someone could make the claim from looking through your videoblog that, as a whole, your videoblogging activity does not include fair use because your intent is thepursuit of personal celebrity. HaHa!! What does that even mean? personal celebrity I guess we have said that instead of our 15 minutes of fame, we are famous to 15 people...is that personal celebrity? I didn't realize I was seeking Celebrity, I was just making friends and sharing my life...hmmm funny stuff -- Josh Leojoshleo.comstonefarm.blogspot.comjoshspicks.blogspot.com wearethemedia.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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The case of the stolen identity; innocent bystander sues videoblogger for internet distribution. Quote the prosecutor: Exhibit A. The defendant, Josh Leo's description of his videoblogging activity: On Nov 19, 2005, at 10:15 AM, Josh Leo wrote: I was just making friends and sharing my life (1) I = something concerning you. (2) Making friends = concerning you. (3) My life = concerning you. Food for thought, I'm just playing the opposite advocate. How would you respond? What is your fair-use defense in your particular case? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Nov 19, 2005, at 8:48 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: your videoblogging activity does not include fair use because your intent is the pursuit of personal celebrity. Why is it that you seem to think that individuals that videoblog are doing it in the pursuit of personal celebrity? Why can't they be doing it to document their lives or to connect with friends and family? Are you saying that anyone who publishes a blog, podcast or videoblog that contains information about their lives is aiming for personal celebrity? Is that what you're doing at dembot.com? Or, playing devil's advocate, couldn't someone make a case that Rocketboom is a vehicle to enhance Amanda's personal celebrity thereby hopefully producing offers of acting jobs? It seems to me that you throw around these comments (this one and others in the past) about individuals videoblogging as if what they (we) are doing is less valid, less bloggy, and now, it seems, to advance our own personal celebrity as if we were some scheming college student trying to get picked for the next Real World cast. Verdi -- Me: http://michaelverdi.com RD: http://graymattergravy.com Learn to videoblog: http://freevlog.org Learn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote: Why can't they be doing it to document their lives or to connect with friends and family? Why they can and I think that is great! Show me where I said they they coudlnt? Ir even implied? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote: On Nov 19, 2005, at 8:48 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: your videoblogging activity does not include fair use because your intent is the pursuit of personal celebrity. Why is it that you seem to think that individuals that videoblog are doing it in the pursuit of personal celebrity? You really ripped that one right out of context. I was talking about Josh, and that was clear in the thread. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote: Are you saying that anyone who publishes a blog, podcast or videoblog that contains information about their lives is aiming for personal celebrity? Eh, no. Did you see something? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote: , couldn't someone make a case that Rocketboom is a vehicle to enhance Amanda's personal celebrity thereby hopefully producing offers of acting jobs? Yes, in fact that is one of the many elements to what we are doing. There are so many I wont attempt to list them out, but that one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote: It seems to me that you throw around these comments (this one and others in the past) about individuals videoblogging as if what they (we) are doing is less valid, less bloggy, and now, it seems, to advance our own personal celebrity as if we were some scheming college student trying to get picked for the next Real World cast. Verdi -- This is really unreasonable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
In (my) conclusion, I'm seeing a lot of really horrible backlash from people lately and its a bummer because I don't find any reason behind the inferences that people are making. It reminds me of how the media likes to reshape and reformat what they see into their own hypothesis. Verdi, you came to this post with a hypothesis and you stripped out of context fragments to support your claims. So my question to we are the media (and I think thats me too, dont everyone think Im always excluding when I'm tying to include) is, are you aware of this flaw in the old media of interpreting what you see? On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:51 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote: It seems to me that you throw around these comments (this one and others in the past) about individuals videoblogging as if what they (we) are doing is less valid, less bloggy, and now, it seems, to advance our own personal celebrity as if we were some scheming college student trying to get picked for the next Real World cast. Verdi -- This is really unreasonable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/eMf55D/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
On Nov 19, 2005, at 11:47 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Verdi wrote: Why can't they be doing it to document their lives or to connect with friends and family? Why they can and I think that is great! Show me where I said they they coudlnt? Ir even implied? On Nov 19, 2005, at 11:46 AM, andrew michael baron wrote: You really ripped that one right out of context. I was talking about Josh, and that was clear in the thread. You said that looking at Josh's videoblog as a whole one could conclude that his intent was personal celebrity. Since a great many videobloggers could be described as doing essentially the same thing as Josh, myself included, I took it to mean by extension you we talking about most videobloggers. -Verdi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:01 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: Verdi, you came to this post with a hypothesis and you stripped out of context fragments to support your claims. On Nov 19, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Josh Leo wrote: HaHa!! What does that even mean? personal celebrity I guess we have said that instead of our 15 minutes of fame, we are famous to 15 people...is that personal celebrity? I didn't realize I was seeking Celebrity, I was just making friends and sharing my life...hmmm funny stuff Maybe Josh will say so one way or another here but for me, judging by his bemused (and polite) response to your accusation about personal celebrity I'd say I wasn't taking it out of context. -Verdi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:12 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: Is this videoblogging list topic? Someone tell me if we have transcended, I'm not sure. Seriously. I think the discussion of why people videoblog is very on topic. On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:12 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: On Nov 19, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Verdi wrote: Maybe Josh will say so one way or another here but for me, judging by his bemused (and polite) response to your accusation about personal celebrity I'd say I wasn't taking it out of context. -Verdi I would suggest that while this in no way points to a norm, personal celebrity is very important to you and that it is a very large part of the intent behind your videoblog. Absolutely not. I started videoblogging as personal experiment to develop my story telling skills and I continue to do to document my life, to connect with others, and because I think the democratization of media is a good thing for the world. And so I believe you reject that idea which causes irrationality when there is nothing wrong with that being one of the components to what you are doing. I reject it because my purpose for videoblogging has nothing to do with my own personal celebrity. If that was the main purpose behind it I'd have to say that I've been pretty unsuccessful at it. Certainly no where near as successful as you have. I've become, like Josh said in his answer to you, basically famous to the same group of videobloggers that are just as famous in my eyes. That was one of the very funny and strange phenomenon that occurred for everyone at VloggerCon and, I'm told, at VloggerCue. Verdi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
On Nov 19, 2005, at 12:15 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: No, I was talking about Josh. He is a unique individual and I think he has one of the most spirited uses of a videoblog I have seen. When I look around at videobloggers, I do not see sameness. I see people. I'm referring to how you have on a number of occasions (recently even) made statements about how most everyone who videoblogs just does a personal diary kind of thing and how you don't understand why more people don't do something along the lines of themed content of which you are fond. You often lump us into personal diary vs a show. Verdi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
On Nov 19, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Verdi wrote: I'm referring to how you have on a number of occasions (recently even) made statements about how most everyone who videoblogs just does a personal diary kind of thing Thats true. So what? and how you don't understand why more people don't do something along the lines of themed content of which you are fond. Show me one place where I say I don't understand why there is not more themed content. I wish there was, but so what? You often lump us into personal diary vs a show. Bull shit. These are just two of millions of possibilities. You guys need to show some evidence and stopping ripping shit out of context, I'm getting really fucking tired of it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] great post of police misbehavior
Cops illegally frisk a Gabe, a vlogger and his friend in a public square in Amsterdam. Of course Gabe vlogged it. Great stuff: http://www.gabe.nl/2005/11/policed-state-in-amsterdam.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
