Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
On 12/21/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, FireAnt does play SWF files. But Flash video is not a SWF. It is an FLV loaded into a SWF.. often loaded externally via relative link within the Flash file. This type of scenario often breaks syndication because it cannot be viewed offline or from a local hard drive. this is an option the creator can change though? they can embed the movie file within the swf. i just import my footage straight into flash and export as SWF, don't even use FLV.d -- URL: http://29fragiledays.blogspot.com URL: http://www.kleindesign.co.uk SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
great reply, michael.we've been talking about flash video over on vlogtheory and the issues of it being closed right now... as per th epoints you made here only recently mostly since vsocial came about i started to change my tune and stopped pissing on flash. so despite all these negatives that I, you and others have pointed out about flash video i still see that it has a place in the vlogosphere, as one part of the total use of Internet -based video infrastructure. it makes sense to use flash video for what it is currently meant to be used for while concurrently using other formats, pref quicktime compatible formats, for distributing to local computers and mobile devices where it can be played, remixed, edited, repurposed, redistributed etc. If I were an organized videoblogger, which i'm currently not (i'm evil like that), and i launched a new vlog and seeked an audience. I would make my video content available in flash for the web-side (blog) as primary playback format my vodcast channels would have format filters for each relevent device video iPod (mp4,m4v), 3gp, divx, TiVo, PSP, XBOX and flv. FLV would hook into a slick and robust flash playback engine with all sorts of interactive features with a skin branded to my project. It would work with XML as its playlist and configuration control so it can easily be dynamc and customizable. This flash player would reside on my videoblog... a user could choose to just watch my videos in it, or browse my actual vlog posts like is done today. But the videoblog playlist will offer an easy and entertaining experience to watch the VIDEO which is the core content. Within each video, could easily jump to the vlog permalink etc... It can all be connected... even comments can be made within the flash player, and appear in the vlog post as usual connected. So, my vision is a balanced use of all technologies. It always comes down to balance for me. We can debate the good, bad and ugly of all the technology that floats around in the vlogosphere but at the end of the day, it is best to take what works, and make it work for you in creative ways.It doesnt even mandate much effort as we'll see services like vsocial continue to innovate in this area. If you are technically inclined, you can build all of what i talk about yourself. Either way, you would be using the best variety to bring your video content to an audience, wherever and whoever that audience is made up of. It's about taking a format and juicing it for all its worth to you.If this didnt have some truth to it, mefeedia wouldnt be pulling in and working with services that are focused on using flash. Anyone interested in what flash can do for a video content creator, please visit VSocial.comsullOn 1/10/06, Michael Meiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must agree with Josh, though Mike I did find your fresh perspectiveand information very insightful. As I see it while the aquisition of Macromedia by Adobe and the video share market does bode well for theflash format I still see it as a niche tool which will have to fightdeperately to move beyond the web as a platform or even to keep upwith the web platform. Here are three specific points. 1) It's closed... it's got issues with accessibility andinteroperability... this to both developers (programmers and mediamakers) and end users. if Macromedia opened up the file format andmade a standard out of it and let others compete on that platform... and develop to it just as long as they supported macromedias spec...even if they didn't allow others to extend the specification I thinkit would be a very powerful move... that MIGHT get it included inQuicktime and other media players... AND especially in devices like Treo's, handhelds, Tivo's, the PSP, iPods and other future devices.Flash is the ONLY video player I know in fact that supports it... andI'm not just talking video RSS aggregator either... I mean ANYplayer. Not even VLC or Mplayer support it I believe... and they're becoming the stock and standard video players... though still work inprogress they support everything.In fact I think Flash is dying to bust out because there is so muchgreat flash specific content... stuff with light interactivity and especially animation work. There's no denying it's a great format,it's just not accessible and interoperable.Adobe for example hasbecome the defacto standard with PDF... and that's because theyopened it up... now other people can develop to it and publish to it... I see Macromedia Flash in very much a similar role. They needto focus more on making Flash accessible and interoperable.2) It's not for video... it is infact not a video tool... it is aniche tool... it doesn't function like video, it doesn't play like video... it doesn't play back in most video playback tools...FlASHIS A NICHE TOOL... it's carved out quite a niche for itself but it'smade it's bed and now it has to lye in it. As mentioned above it'sniche is interactivity
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
Flash is used by service providers... upload your video here types of services. This is fine, but for an independent who wants to post their own video on the web, dealing with Flash is still for the most part too expensive and too complicated. Flash MX 2004 Professional is not a cheap program. Understanding actionscipt is not easy. Understanding the intricacies of Flash and how to make it work for both playback and syndication is not easy. I think Flash is great on the web. But it is not yet easy enough for an individual, low budget, one-person production unit without relying on a third party service. /rant -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
but you can transcode other formats to flv.and you can use a flash wrapper/player which can provide some interactivity being discussed here. these are free or cheap. just need a server to upload it to so it can be used on the web. you dont have to buy or use expensive Flash MX 2004 Professional. the important point, to reiterate here is NOT to ONLY use flash. But DONT avoid it when you can feasibly incorporate it into your projects. DO provide mp4 etc... balance experiment dont be fooled by partial truths which can end up limiting your creativity and use of available technologies. sullOn 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash is used by service providers... upload your video here typesof services.This is fine, but for an independent who wants to post their own videoon the web, dealing with Flash is still for the most part too expensive and too complicated. Flash MX 2004 Professional is not acheap program. Understanding actionscipt is not easy. Understandingthe intricacies of Flash and how to make it work for both playback andsyndication is not easy. I think Flash is great on the web. But it is not yet easy enough foran individual, low budget, one-person production unit without relyingon a third party service./rant-Josh Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
I agree with this. In fact I've posted a very elegant WordPress FLV plugin here several times. I think that is a great option for videobloggers. But Flash is not the be all and end all. Other format options for download/syndication are very important. -Josh On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but you can transcode other formats to flv.and you can use a flash wrapper/player which can provide some interactivity being discussed here. these are free or cheap. just need a server to upload it to so it can be used on the web. you dont have to buy or use expensive Flash MX 2004 Professional. the important point, to reiterate here is NOT to ONLY use flash. But DONT avoid it when you can feasibly incorporate it into your projects. DO provide mp4 etc... balance experiment dont be fooled by partial truths which can end up limiting your creativity and use of available technologies. sullOn 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash is used by service providers... upload your video here typesof services.This is fine, but for an independent who wants to post their own videoon the web, dealing with Flash is still for the most part too expensive and too complicated. Flash MX 2004 Professional is not acheap program. Understanding actionscipt is not easy. Understandingthe intricacies of Flash and how to make it work for both playback andsyndication is not easy. I think Flash is great on the web. But it is not yet easy enough foran individual, low budget, one-person production unit without relyingon a third party service./rant-Josh Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
Obviously I'm out of town when this thread hits... Yes, I entirely agree with where this ended up. Flash is not an end-all-be-all -- there is *no* end-all-be-all. And I agree, innovation in this area is not done, it's barely started. Needless to say, we've got cool stuff on the go. =) The mantra we keep slamming -- *do* something with video -- is more than a hypeline, I live/breathe/sleep that every day (more than I care to actually admit); that being said, not every method is for everyone. Lots of folks are format zealots, and I totally appreciate that. This is why I usually do my talkbacks on most threads directly to folks.. I don't want to feel like I'm cramming some company line (format, the right way etc) down anyone's throat. Folks SHOULD and ARE trying different methods, services, formats, etc out, and I am totally supportive of other folks in the space who provide different, meaningful and valuable tools to the community... as I've said a few times, I personally (heart) blip, vlogdir, fireant, mefeedia and ourmedia/IA, and would love to work more with these folks. Mike Lanza wrote: For those who don't have the time or inclination to dive into ActionScript, the value of Flash video is represented by the sites that use it. As I've said before, there is a growing number of sites using it, but these sites have only shown the tip of the iceberg of what can be done with ActionScript and Flash video. Off the top of my head, the only one that has done anything interesting at all is vSocial, and that's not an awful lot. So, for now, Flash video seems like it's gaining market share without delivering any benefits over what it's replacing. Stay tuned. There's sooo much that Flash can do for video that hasn't been shown yet. Specifically, I'm talking about rich interactive applications where using video isn't a simple matter of pressing play and kicking back. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with this. In fact I've posted a very elegant WordPress FLV plugin here several times. I think that is a great option for videobloggers. But Flash is not the be all and end all. Other format options for download/syndication are very important. -Josh On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but you can transcode other formats to flv. and you can use a flash wrapper/player which can provide some interactivity being discussed here. these are free or cheap. just need a server to upload it to so it can be used on the web. you dont have to buy or use expensive Flash MX 2004 Professional. the important point, to reiterate here is NOT to ONLY use flash. But DONT avoid it when you can feasibly incorporate it into your projects. DO provide mp4 etc... balance experiment dont be fooled by partial truths which can end up limiting your creativity and use of available technologies. sull On 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash is used by service providers... upload your video here types of services. This is fine, but for an independent who wants to post their own video on the web, dealing with Flash is still for the most part too expensive and too complicated. Flash MX 2004 Professional is not a cheap program. Understanding actionscipt is not easy. Understanding the intricacies of Flash and how to make it work for both playback and syndication is not easy. I think Flash is great on the web. But it is not yet easy enough for an individual, low budget, one-person production unit without relying on a third party service. /rant -Josh Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig= _ypWGVVDWUSpuxYaJQCHhA Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig=ZN 1ChvogeamDt5UU6pqRYQ Usehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Usew1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig=JJpiF0 el7XIZm7_UQJThew Explainshttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Explainsw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Usew4=Explainsc=4s=52.sig=U JhUAw_ybLAhU1YhEOb9AA -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/ videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]videoblogging- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
I must agree with Josh, though Mike I did find your fresh perspective and information very insightful. As I see it while the aquisition of Macromedia by Adobe and the video share market does bode well for the flash format I still see it as a niche tool which will have to fight deperately to move beyond the web as a platform or even to keep up with the web platform. Here are three specific points. 1) It's closed... it's got issues with accessibility and interoperability... this to both developers (programmers and media makers) and end users. if Macromedia opened up the file format and made a standard out of it and let others compete on that platform... and develop to it just as long as they supported macromedias spec... even if they didn't allow others to extend the specification I think it would be a very powerful move... that MIGHT get it included in Quicktime and other media players... AND especially in devices like Treo's, handhelds, Tivo's, the PSP, iPods and other future devices. Flash is the ONLY video player I know in fact that supports it... and I'm not just talking video RSS aggregator either... I mean ANY player. Not even VLC or Mplayer support it I believe... and they're becoming the stock and standard video players... though still work in progress they support everything. In fact I think Flash is dying to bust out because there is so much great flash specific content... stuff with light interactivity and especially animation work. There's no denying it's a great format, it's just not accessible and interoperable. Adobe for example has become the defacto standard with PDF... and that's because they opened it up... now other people can develop to it and publish to it... I see Macromedia Flash in very much a similar role. They need to focus more on making Flash accessible and interoperable. 2) It's not for video... it is infact not a video tool... it is a niche tool... it doesn't function like video, it doesn't play like video... it doesn't play back in most video playback tools... FlASH IS A NICHE TOOL... it's carved out quite a niche for itself but it's made it's bed and now it has to lye in it. As mentioned above it's niche is interactivity and animation. That said I think it's the preferred format of choice for viral media makers... i.e. jibjab... because it is so portable, light and quick to load... It's definitely the most portable of all media formats... accept for beyond the web browser... to date not a single non web browser device supports it... no portable video players, no cell phones... nada. In order to get out of this niche they're going to have to bust a cap in point number one this will over time change point number two when it's becomes more standard in video playback tools and they learn to make it function more like video... from allowing outside standardized playback control to supporting ID3 meta info. 3) DRM... it employs some sort of soft fucked up DRM... it pisses me off and it's enough to be a pain in the ass... but it has no hard core DRM aimed at Hollywood... Now I say this hating DRM... because DROM is law encoded through technology and inaccessible to basic HUMANS... and laws must remain accessible to humans in order for the planet to remain humane and fair (as in fair use that thing that people keep forgetting about) and I'm not just talking about fair use and playback for the end user... I also mean keeping markets and distribution open and accessible too... i.e. we should ALL have the same rights under the law... i.e. clearly apple's Fairplay makes law a commodity...if DRM should become the standard... than to the extent it becomes a standard it becomes tyranical, and anti-competitive... even racketeering... clearly it's pay up or you'll get no access to apple's marketplace... this will only get worse in the future But enough of my viewpoints on DRM... The point is macromedia needs to make some real policy on DRM to attract hollywood... My suggestion would be to simultaneously make the format more open and more closed... like apple's iPod... make a default publishing state that allows for editing, format shifting, sharing... and make one or two DRM states for increasing levels of evilness so so called big media or hollywood will be encouraged to use the platform. Let the DRM compete on the same platform with free and open as Apple is doing... clearly free and open content is winning... just look at podcasting as a business vs. Apple's music sales... I'll bet you a beer there's more revenue in podcasting and vlogging by the end of 2006 than there is in apple music sales... Yes, I'm saying little media is going to kick big media's ass on the ipod platform... crazy I know, but not only do open markets encourage innovation... but open markets distribute wealth far more equitably too... Big grin... :) It's the same
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
I thought FireAnt accepted SWF files - I seem to remember mine showing up just fine. I mostly use SWF, and those files get the most downloads on my site, wherever those are coming from. I compress them with Sorenson Squeeze. I've only recently started using FLV in order to work with the elegant Flash video player that was recommended on this list. The downside is that I have to compress in both SWF and FLV. The upside is that I can now see how many people are viewing the video within the page (few) vs taking it as a feed from elsewhere. I also use QuickTime Pro to compress the files as M4Vs for iTunes. And some files I also do as high-quality WMVs for viewing on Nessuno.TV.Doing all this, plus the RSS feed, manually, because I don't use blog software (I like to have more control over my site's structure). It's a pain, but gets the results I want. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts
Yes, FireAnt does play SWF files. But Flash video is not a SWF. It is an FLV loaded into a SWF.. often loaded externally via relative link within the Flash file. This type of scenario often breaks syndication because it cannot be viewed offline or from a local hard drive. Syndicating the raw FLV file is preferrable as it doesn't require any dependencies on networked resources, but it is a little more difficult to play as FLV doesn't play natively within Flash player -- it must be loaded inside a SWF controller. -josh On 12/21/05, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought FireAnt accepted SWF files - I seem to remember mine showing up just fine. I mostly use SWF, and those files get the most downloads on my site, wherever those are coming from. I compress them with Sorenson Squeeze. I've only recently started using FLV in order to work with the elegant Flash video player that was recommended on this list. The downside is that I have to compress in both SWF and FLV. The upside is that I can now see how many people are viewing the video within the page (few) vs taking it as a feed from elsewhere. I also use QuickTime Pro to compress the files as M4Vs for iTunes. And some files I also do as high-quality WMVs for viewing on Nessuno.TV.Doing all this, plus the RSS feed, manually, because I don't use blog software (I like to have more control over my site's structure). It's a pain, but gets the results I want. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
