[Videolib] Enhanced video metadata
Hi All, Our OPAC now allows us to draw on data sets from outside of our ILS. One potential benefit of this new capability is the ability provide additional information about items other than just what's in the MARC records. I wonder if anyone is using an outside vendor (such as Allmovies) to provide enhanced metadata for your videos. If so, what vendor are you using, is the cost reasonable, and how is it working out? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.eduhttps://mail.eservices.virginia.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=62fe60f092584617be4c37bdfc2dcf42URL=mailto%3amattball%40virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries
I agree with Gary that Blu-ray and streaming are solutions to two different issues, one being image and the other being convenience. For my film studies professors I do buy Blu-ray. We've outfitted our four teacing spaces with Blu-ray decks and HD projectors or TVs, and converted 4 of our 32 viewing stations to Blu-ray. I usually only buy Blu-ray if requested, but when I do I also buy a regular version of the title. My non-film-studies professors are more interested in streaming for its ease of access. Alas, most streaming licenses aren't what we're looking for (in perpetuity for a resonable cost) so we don't have that many. Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu [ghand...@library.berkeley.edu] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:06 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries Hi all I gotta say it again: I think the notion of skipping over Blu-Ray in favor of streaming is completely and absolutely faulty thinking on any number of scores. First of all: Blu-ray is a format whose major attraction is a high resolution image and high quality sound. It is almost completely unlikely that streamed video will every offer such (unless there's some major consumer electronics tech breakthroughs). Conversely, the primary advantage of streamed video lies in it's ease of access--it's bypassing of physical media. It's not really an either/or proposition. The thing that keeps me up at night has to do with neither Blu-ray, nor streamed media, per se. It has to do with what is VERY likely to get lost in the shift from one format or delivery mode to another. Gary Handman Pamela, I'm with you. I am finishing up a laserdisc CED conversion project, and am in the middle of a VHS conversion project. I'm hoping to hold off on blu-ray as long as I can, and am hoping we can skip right over the format to streaming. That said, if there's a film we want, we'll buy it. In whatever format it comes in. Right now, I'm still buying the occasional VHS tape as needed, and I'm sure we have a handful of blu-rays in the collection as well. As far as equipment, we bought a few PS3s for our gaming collection and put them in our media viewing area in case we need to support blu-ray viewing in-house. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jana Atkins jatki...@uco.edu wrote: I’m late to this discussion, of course, but I have not been buying Bluray discs, nor do I plan to start buying them. I’m also more interested in waiting until I can move into the streaming arena. However, my school does not have a film studies program. The interest in the titles I purchase are almost solely plot/story-based. Picture and sound quality for DVDs is usually good enough. I’d say the only exception I’d make where I’d say that sound quality is important would be opera and other stage productions. But my experience there is that picture and sound quality often aren’t much of a consideration during production, so moving to a better format isn’t really going to help. Better to provide a more accessible format. And for the record, I completely agree with Gary’s assessment that Blueray = Betamax. And also with Dennis’ that DVD = VHS. And I honestly believe the next step to that argument is streaming = DVD. Jana Atkins, B.M., M.L.S. Performing Arts/Multimedia Librarian University of Central Oklahoma Max Chambers Library 100 N. University Edmond, OK 73034 405-974-2949 *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Pamela Bristah *Sent:* Friday, September 24, 2010 10:19 AM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time: Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off? (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, since we're in the same boat.) If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use? Do you re-purchase titles you have on DVD, or only new titles? Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, for about 45 years. And, the cost would be prohibitive. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality? For feature films, not just educational and documentary titles? Oh well, a girl can dream. __ Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, Wellesley MA 02481 phone
[Videolib] Question about streaming rights
Hello Everyone, I'm a bit perplexed by the complex licensing and pricing structures of streaming rights, and some of the recent talk on this listserv has helped clarify a question that's been floating around my mind for a while, so I figure I'll pose it to the collective wisdom. If I can buy a DVD for, say, $295.00 and I can keep it forever, and I'm allowed to do certain things with it to meet the educational goals of my institution, then why is it different for a streaming version of the same title? Some streaming rights have to be renewed every few years. Or, if there are perpetual rights they are often priced exorbitantly high. Doesn't it make sense to pay the same price as for a DVD (maybe even less since manufacturing costs wouldn't be an issue) and keep it forever, just like a DVD? Or even an e-book. And, as with an e-book, I would be bound to restrict access to it only to members of my institution. Perhaps this is a gross oversimplification of something that's actually quite complex, so consider these the innocent (demented?) musings of a newbie, but I'd be interested in hearing others' thoughts on the matter. Yours in hopefully not opening a Pandora's box, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.eduhttps://mail.eservices.virginia.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=62fe60f092584617be4c37bdfc2dcf42URL=mailto%3amattball%40virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights
The law allows you to use a legal copy of a film IN class under the FACE to Face teaching instruction. You may not digitize and stream a film without permission/license from the rights holder. Educational Goals is sort of wishful thinking statement. If you could do anything you wanted because someone wanted to see a film, you could buy bootlegs, digitize all your VHS, heck just borrow some item from NetFlix or a local video store and copy it. You can by a film for $19.95 or $295.00 but it comes with specific rights and unless streaming is specifically included ( usually at a additional cost) you don't have them. Streaming rights are very complicated because other than studio films ( and by no means all of those) most films can not currently be sold with perpetual rights. Film rights tend to be on 7 to 10 year contracts with the distributors. I imagine some new contracts may indeed allow the sale of perpetual streaming rights but the number would not be high. Frankly I would be cautious on buying any perpetual rights on other than very new releases of non fiction films. I would have the seller certify they have those rights to sell in the terms of their contract as distributors very rarely own a film in perpetuity themselves. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, I’m a bit perplexed by the complex licensing and pricing structures of streaming rights, and some of the recent talk on this listserv has helped clarify a question that’s been floating around my mind for a while, so I figure I’ll pose it to the collective wisdom. If I can buy a DVD for, say, $295.00 and I can keep it forever, and I’m allowed to do certain things with it to meet the educational goals of my institution, then why is it different for a streaming version of the same title? Some streaming rights have to be renewed every few years. Or, if there are perpetual rights they are often priced exorbitantly high. Doesn’t it make sense to pay the same price as for a DVD (maybe even less since manufacturing costs wouldn’t be an issue) and keep it forever, just like a DVD? Or even an e-book. And, as with an e-book, I would be bound to restrict access to it only to members of my institution. Perhaps this is a gross oversimplification of something that’s actually quite complex, so consider these the innocent (demented?) musings of a newbie, but I’d be interested in hearing others’ thoughts on the matter. Yours in hopefully not opening a Pandora’s box, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.eduhttps://mail.eservices.virginia.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=62fe60f092584617be4c37bdfc2dcf42URL=mailto%3amattball%40virginia.edu| 434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] American Production Company and John H. Williams
One of our faculty wants us to purchase an American Playhouse episode -True West. All we have found available are used VHS tapes. I don't mind purchasing one of the VHS tapes in this case since the production does not seem to be available on DVD, but I would like to contact the producer(s) to ask about permission to covert to DVD. WorldCat lists the corporate authors as Academy Home Entertainment and Program Development Company, Theatrical Division. John H. Williams and Howard K. Grossman are listed as producers. I'm not finding contact information on any of them. Does anyone know whether this is a dead end search or have contact information for either the companies, Mr. Williams or Mr. Grossman? Thanks, Gail -- Gail B. Fedak Director, Media Resources Middle Tennessee State University Murfreesboro, TN 37132 Phone: 615-898-2899 Fax: 615-898-2530 Email: gfe...@mtsu.edu mailto:gfe...@mtsu.edu Web: www.mtsu.edu/~imr http://www.mtsu.edu/%7Eimr VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights
Hi Jessica, Thank you for pointing out the fuzziness of my educational goals statment, though I did try qualify that by stating what I'm allowed to do. I should have further stated by copyright law or the vendor's license. Yep, I'm very aware of the restrictions against digitizing and streaming without permission. Alas, my day is full of saying no to just such requests from faculty. And I have negotiated a few streaming rights, but the licensing and pricing model is still somewhat puzzling. BTW, that's good to know that distributors don't usually own the rights in perpetuity themselves. I'm learning already. grin Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner [jessicapros...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:09 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights The law allows you to use a legal copy of a film IN class under the FACE to Face teaching instruction. You may not digitize and stream a film without permission/license from the rights holder. Educational Goals is sort of wishful thinking statement. If you could do anything you wanted because someone wanted to see a film, you could buy bootlegs, digitize all your VHS, heck just borrow some item from NetFlix or a local video store and copy it. You can by a film for $19.95 or $295.00 but it comes with specific rights and unless streaming is specifically included ( usually at a additional cost) you don't have them. Streaming rights are very complicated because other than studio films ( and by no means all of those) most films can not currently be sold with perpetual rights. Film rights tend to be on 7 to 10 year contracts with the distributors. I imagine some new contracts may indeed allow the sale of perpetual streaming rights but the number would not be high. Frankly I would be cautious on buying any perpetual rights on other than very new releases of non fiction films. I would have the seller certify they have those rights to sell in the terms of their contract as distributors very rarely own a film in perpetuity themselves. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, I’m a bit perplexed by the complex licensing and pricing structures of streaming rights, and some of the recent talk on this listserv has helped clarify a question that’s been floating around my mind for a while, so I figure I’ll pose it to the collective wisdom. If I can buy a DVD for, say, $295.00 and I can keep it forever, and I’m allowed to do certain things with it to meet the educational goals of my institution, then why is it different for a streaming version of the same title? Some streaming rights have to be renewed every few years. Or, if there are perpetual rights they are often priced exorbitantly high. Doesn’t it make sense to pay the same price as for a DVD (maybe even less since manufacturing costs wouldn’t be an issue) and keep it forever, just like a DVD? Or even an e-book. And, as with an e-book, I would be bound to restrict access to it only to members of my institution. Perhaps this is a gross oversimplification of something that’s actually quite complex, so consider these the innocent (demented?) musings of a newbie, but I’d be interested in hearing others’ thoughts on the matter. Yours in hopefully not opening a Pandora’s box, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.eduhttps://mail.eservices.virginia.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=62fe60f092584617be4c37bdfc2dcf42URL=mailto%3amattball%40virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] American Production Company and John H. Williams
Gail, You might be able to get contact information from PBS. I see they had a title released on the PBS label in 2009. Good Luck! Jay Sonin - Original Message - From: Gail Fedak To: videolib Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: [Videolib] American Production Company and John H. Williams One of our faculty wants us to purchase an American Playhouse episode -True West. All we have found available are used VHS tapes. I don't mind purchasing one of the VHS tapes in this case since the production does not seem to be available on DVD, but I would like to contact the producer(s) to ask about permission to covert to DVD. WorldCat lists the corporate authors as Academy Home Entertainment and Program Development Company, Theatrical Division. John H. Williams and Howard K. Grossman are listed as producers. I'm not finding contact information on any of them. Does anyone know whether this is a dead end search or have contact information for either the companies, Mr. Williams or Mr. Grossman? Thanks, Gail -- Gail B. Fedak Director, Media Resources Middle Tennessee State University Murfreesboro, TN 37132 Phone: 615-898-2899 Fax: 615-898-2530 Email: gfe...@mtsu.edu Web: www.mtsu.edu/~imr -- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights
If it were anyone but professors I would suggest asking them if the library should digitize and stream books because it would be cheaper and easier than buying them, but with professors they would say yes (but probably not THEIR books). As I said new non fiction films probably are negotiated so distributors can sell streaming rights in perpetuity, but older films and nearly all feature films not distributed by studios usually limit distribution rights from anywhere from 5-10 years. Almost all foreign language films are like that. Sometimes you can go directly to an owner especially if a film has fallen out of regular distribution. I work on several films at the moment and the only ones I could license in perpetuity are the ones where I work with the director who owns all the rights. The others are foreign and have the standard 7 year contract. Trust me it is a bitch for distributors too. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hi Jessica, Thank you for pointing out the fuzziness of my educational goals statment, though I did try qualify that by stating what I'm allowed to do. I should have further stated by copyright law or the vendor's license. Yep, I'm very aware of the restrictions against digitizing and streaming without permission. Alas, my day is full of saying no to just such requests from faculty. And I have negotiated a few streaming rights, but the licensing and pricing model is still somewhat puzzling. BTW, that's good to know that distributors don't usually own the rights in perpetuity themselves. I'm learning already. grin Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [ videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner [ jessicapros...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:09 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights The law allows you to use a legal copy of a film IN class under the FACE to Face teaching instruction. You may not digitize and stream a film without permission/license from the rights holder. Educational Goals is sort of wishful thinking statement. If you could do anything you wanted because someone wanted to see a film, you could buy bootlegs, digitize all your VHS, heck just borrow some item from NetFlix or a local video store and copy it. You can by a film for $19.95 or $295.00 but it comes with specific rights and unless streaming is specifically included ( usually at a additional cost) you don't have them. Streaming rights are very complicated because other than studio films ( and by no means all of those) most films can not currently be sold with perpetual rights. Film rights tend to be on 7 to 10 year contracts with the distributors. I imagine some new contracts may indeed allow the sale of perpetual streaming rights but the number would not be high. Frankly I would be cautious on buying any perpetual rights on other than very new releases of non fiction films. I would have the seller certify they have those rights to sell in the terms of their contract as distributors very rarely own a film in perpetuity themselves. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, I’m a bit perplexed by the complex licensing and pricing structures of streaming rights, and some of the recent talk on this listserv has helped clarify a question that’s been floating around my mind for a while, so I figure I’ll pose it to the collective wisdom. If I can buy a DVD for, say, $295.00 and I can keep it forever, and I’m allowed to do certain things with it to meet the educational goals of my institution, then why is it different for a streaming version of the same title? Some streaming rights have to be renewed every few years. Or, if there are perpetual rights they are often priced exorbitantly high. Doesn’t it make sense to pay the same price as for a DVD (maybe even less since manufacturing costs wouldn’t be an issue) and keep it forever, just like a DVD? Or even an e-book. And, as with an e-book, I would be bound to restrict access to it only to members of my institution. Perhaps this is a gross oversimplification of something that’s actually quite complex, so consider these the innocent (demented?) musings of a newbie, but I’d be interested in hearing others’ thoughts on the matter. Yours in hopefully not opening a Pandora’s box, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu
Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights
Hi Dennis, This is very informatvie, thanks for taking the time to explain things from the disrtibutor perspective. (Thank you too, Jessica). And just to asuage anyone's fears, I do try to be a good steward of our video collection and make sure that we do things by the rules. So just as I wouldn't make ten copies of a DVD that I bought, neither would I make ten copies of a digital file either. So here's another question. In my library (and everyone's, I suppose) a DVD might get checked out to hundreds of people during its life. Is it Fair Use or the right of first sale that allows us to do that, to check out DVDs to our patons? How would those laws be applied differently to a digital version of the same title? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros [milefi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:43 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Matt, The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but let's assume a file can migrate over the years.) As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to make it available to you. I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process. And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did, the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of directors talk about his work? I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty good overall. I'd love to see what a media library's budget is compared to 1970 and what percentage of the overall institution's budget would have been compared to today. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero email: milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.comhttp://www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.comhttp://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.comhttp://www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.comhttp://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.comhttp://www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.comhttp://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.orghttp://www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, I’m a bit perplexed by the complex licensing and pricing structures of streaming rights, and some of the recent talk on this listserv has helped clarify a question that’s been floating around my mind for a while, so I figure I’ll pose it to the collective wisdom. If I can buy a DVD for, say, $295.00 and I can keep it forever, and I’m allowed to do certain things with it to meet the educational goals of my institution, then why is it different for a streaming version of the same title? Some streaming rights have to be renewed every few years. Or, if there are perpetual rights they are often priced exorbitantly high. Doesn’t it make sense to pay the same price as for a DVD (maybe even less since manufacturing costs wouldn’t be an issue) and keep it forever, just like a DVD? Or even an e-book. And, as with an e-book, I would be bound to restrict access to it only
Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights
First Sale Digital licenses generally have nothing to do with First Sale...they're binding commercial contracts which supersede both Fair Use and First Sale rights gary handman Hi Dennis, This is very informatvie, thanks for taking the time to explain things from the disrtibutor perspective. (Thank you too, Jessica). And just to asuage anyone's fears, I do try to be a good steward of our video collection and make sure that we do things by the rules. So just as I wouldn't make ten copies of a DVD that I bought, neither would I make ten copies of a digital file either. So here's another question. In my library (and everyone's, I suppose) a DVD might get checked out to hundreds of people during its life. Is it Fair Use or the right of first sale that allows us to do that, to check out DVDs to our patons? How would those laws be applied differently to a digital version of the same title? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros [milefi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:43 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Matt, The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but let's assume a file can migrate over the years.) As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to make it available to you. I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process. And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did, the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of directors talk about his work? I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty good overall. I'd love to see what a media library's budget is compared to 1970 and what percentage of the overall institution's budget would have been compared to today. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero email: milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.comhttp://www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.comhttp://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.comhttp://www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.comhttp://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.comhttp://www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.comhttp://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.orghttp://www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, I’m a bit perplexed by the complex licensing and pricing structures of streaming rights, and some of the recent talk on this listserv has helped clarify a question that’s been floating around my mind for a while, so I figure I’ll pose it to the collective wisdom. If I can buy a DVD for, say, $295.00 and I can keep it forever, and I’m allowed to do certain things with it to meet the educational goals of my institution, then why is it different for a streaming version of the same title? Some streaming rights have to be renewed every few years. Or, if there are perpetual rights they are often priced exorbitantly high. Doesn’t it make sense to pay
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Obviously I mean assuage not asuage. It's late in the day and my granola bar still lingers on my desk, uneaten. M- Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Ball, James (jmb4aw) Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:30 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Hi Dennis, This is very informatvie, thanks for taking the time to explain things from the disrtibutor perspective. (Thank you too, Jessica). And just to asuage anyone's fears, I do try to be a good steward of our video collection and make sure that we do things by the rules. So just as I wouldn't make ten copies of a DVD that I bought, neither would I make ten copies of a digital file either. So here's another question. In my library (and everyone's, I suppose) a DVD might get checked out to hundreds of people during its life. Is it Fair Use or the right of first sale that allows us to do that, to check out DVDs to our patons? How would those laws be applied differently to a digital version of the same title? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros [milefi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:43 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Matt, The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but let's assume a file can migrate over the years.) As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to make it available to you. I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process. And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did, the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of directors talk about his work? I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty good overall. I'd love to see what a media library's budget is compared to 1970 and what percentage of the overall institution's budget would have been compared to today. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero email: milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.comhttp://www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.comhttp://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.comhttp://www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.comhttp://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.comhttp://www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.comhttp://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.orghttp://www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm a bit perplexed by the complex licensing and pricing structures of streaming rights, and some of the recent talk on this listserv has helped clarify a question that's been floating around my mind for a while, so I figure I'll pose it to the collective wisdom. If I can buy a DVD for, say, $295.00 and I can
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It is right of first sale that allows you to check out the DVD to as many people you like. Not really sure why fair use comes up as much it does here , other than it sounds so nice cuddly. Fair Use only comes into play when someone needs to use a portion of a work ( film, book whatever) to create a new work so clips in a lecture, or student film or something like that. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hi Dennis, This is very informatvie, thanks for taking the time to explain things from the disrtibutor perspective. (Thank you too, Jessica). And just to asuage anyone's fears, I do try to be a good steward of our video collection and make sure that we do things by the rules. So just as I wouldn't make ten copies of a DVD that I bought, neither would I make ten copies of a digital file either. So here's another question. In my library (and everyone's, I suppose) a DVD might get checked out to hundreds of people during its life. Is it Fair Use or the right of first sale that allows us to do that, to check out DVDs to our patons? How would those laws be applied differently to a digital version of the same title? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [ videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros [ milefi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:43 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Matt, The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but let's assume a file can migrate over the years.) As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to make it available to you. I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process. And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did, the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of directors talk about his work? I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty good overall. I'd love to see what a media library's budget is compared to 1970 and what percentage of the overall institution's budget would have been compared to today. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero email: milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.comhttp://www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.comhttp://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.comhttp://www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.comhttp://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.comhttp://www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.comhttp://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.orghttp://www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, I’m a bit perplexed by the complex licensing and pricing structures of streaming rights, and some of the recent talk on this listserv has helped clarify a question that’s been floating around my mind for a while, so I figure I’ll pose it to the collective wisdom. If I can buy a DVD for, say, $295.00 and I can keep it forever, and I’m allowed to do certain things with
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Much too healthy. Eat a Reese's peanut butter cup to clear your mind. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Obviously I mean assuage not asuage. It's late in the day and my granola bar still lingers on my desk, uneaten. M- Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Ball, James (jmb4aw) Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:30 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Hi Dennis, This is very informatvie, thanks for taking the time to explain things from the disrtibutor perspective. (Thank you too, Jessica). And just to asuage anyone's fears, I do try to be a good steward of our video collection and make sure that we do things by the rules. So just as I wouldn't make ten copies of a DVD that I bought, neither would I make ten copies of a digital file either. So here's another question. In my library (and everyone's, I suppose) a DVD might get checked out to hundreds of people during its life. Is it Fair Use or the right of first sale that allows us to do that, to check out DVDs to our patons? How would those laws be applied differently to a digital version of the same title? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [ videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros [ milefi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:43 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Matt, The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but let's assume a file can migrate over the years.) As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to make it available to you. I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process. And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did, the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of directors talk about his work? I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty good overall. I'd love to see what a media library's budget is compared to 1970 and what percentage of the overall institution's budget would have been compared to today. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero email: milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.comhttp://www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.comhttp://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.comhttp://www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.comhttp://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.comhttp://www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.comhttp://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.orghttp://www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm a bit perplexed by the complex licensing and pricing structures of streaming rights, and
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Thanks Jessica (and Gary). It's my goal this semester to get copyright figured out so until them I'm sure I'll misuse its different components a lot. Including Fair Use, which does sound nice and cuddly. grin Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.eduhttps://mail.eservices.virginia.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=62fe60f092584617be4c37bdfc2dcf42URL=mailto%3amattball%40virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:39 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights It is right of first sale that allows you to check out the DVD to as many people you like. Not really sure why fair use comes up as much it does here , other than it sounds so nice cuddly. Fair Use only comes into play when someone needs to use a portion of a work ( film, book whatever) to create a new work so clips in a lecture, or student film or something like that. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hi Dennis, This is very informatvie, thanks for taking the time to explain things from the disrtibutor perspective. (Thank you too, Jessica). And just to asuage anyone's fears, I do try to be a good steward of our video collection and make sure that we do things by the rules. So just as I wouldn't make ten copies of a DVD that I bought, neither would I make ten copies of a digital file either. So here's another question. In my library (and everyone's, I suppose) a DVD might get checked out to hundreds of people during its life. Is it Fair Use or the right of first sale that allows us to do that, to check out DVDs to our patons? How would those laws be applied differently to a digital version of the same title? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros [milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:43 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Matt, The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but let's assume a file can migrate over the years.) As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to make it available to you. I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process. And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did, the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of directors talk about his work? I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty good overall. I'd love to see what a media library's budget is compared to 1970 and what percentage of the overall institution's budget would have been compared to today. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero email:
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Excellent suggestion! M- Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.eduhttps://mail.eservices.virginia.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=62fe60f092584617be4c37bdfc2dcf42URL=mailto%3amattball%40virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:49 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Much too healthy. Eat a Reese's peanut butter cup to clear your mind. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Obviously I mean assuage not asuage. It's late in the day and my granola bar still lingers on my desk, uneaten. M- Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Ball, James (jmb4aw) Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:30 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Hi Dennis, This is very informatvie, thanks for taking the time to explain things from the disrtibutor perspective. (Thank you too, Jessica). And just to asuage anyone's fears, I do try to be a good steward of our video collection and make sure that we do things by the rules. So just as I wouldn't make ten copies of a DVD that I bought, neither would I make ten copies of a digital file either. So here's another question. In my library (and everyone's, I suppose) a DVD might get checked out to hundreds of people during its life. Is it Fair Use or the right of first sale that allows us to do that, to check out DVDs to our patons? How would those laws be applied differently to a digital version of the same title? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros [milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:43 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Matt, The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but let's assume a file can migrate over the years.) As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to make it available to you. I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process. And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did, the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of directors talk about his work? I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty good overall. I'd
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That's OK, Matt I've been at this gig close to 27 years and I still haven't gotten it figured out gary Thanks Jessica (and Gary). It's my goal this semester to get copyright figured out so until them I'm sure I'll misuse its different components a lot. Including Fair Use, which does sound nice and cuddly. grin Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.eduhttps://mail.eservices.virginia.edu/owa/redir.aspx?C=62fe60f092584617be4c37bdfc2dcf42URL=mailto%3amattball%40virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:39 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights It is right of first sale that allows you to check out the DVD to as many people you like. Not really sure why fair use comes up as much it does here , other than it sounds so nice cuddly. Fair Use only comes into play when someone needs to use a portion of a work ( film, book whatever) to create a new work so clips in a lecture, or student film or something like that. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) jmb...@eservices.virginia.edumailto:jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu wrote: Hi Dennis, This is very informatvie, thanks for taking the time to explain things from the disrtibutor perspective. (Thank you too, Jessica). And just to asuage anyone's fears, I do try to be a good steward of our video collection and make sure that we do things by the rules. So just as I wouldn't make ten copies of a DVD that I bought, neither would I make ten copies of a digital file either. So here's another question. In my library (and everyone's, I suppose) a DVD might get checked out to hundreds of people during its life. Is it Fair Use or the right of first sale that allows us to do that, to check out DVDs to our patons? How would those laws be applied differently to a digital version of the same title? Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros [milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:43 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Matt, The simple answer is this. A DVD is a physical item that you have to drop into a player. It is illegal to copy if it's encrypted (in most cases). A streaming version is a digital file, and if it's on your hard drive, it's literally forever. (Though, of course, this is ridiculous because how many people can open files from 1992 even? but let's assume a file can migrate over the years.) As Jessica points out, distributors have limited contracts of usually seven to fifteen years, but even more important, livelihoods (and the filmmakers') are based on repeated licensing of the same film. That was the also case in most leasings of 16mm prints before the video age as well, so it's not a new thing. And of course, if you have a digital file, you can pass that file on to other hard drives so it's like buying ten copies for the price of one. And if you have to stream off of the distributor's hard drive, they would be responsible forever to make it available to you. I'm not saying I'm right, but that is the thought process. And you know, I haven't thought of this before (and this is about us feature film distributors at least), but even though you guys have bought 16mm prints, then VHS tapes, then DVDs and now possibly blu-ray, I can guarantee that with each purchase there was either an ease of use or greater quality provided with each purchase over the years. With each technology, the buyer has gotten better and better film transfers (at least from most of us) and better and better context. In the old days, you would get a study guide. Today, you can get commentaries by the director, short films that the director did, the original script, video interviews of the cast and crew, an essay by a esteemed critic, etc. Back in 1965, how many students outside the major cities would have had the chance to listen to a number of directors talk about his work? I understand at $395 a crack, those various formats get annoying but with a lot of stuff at $9.95, it probably balances out to be pretty good overall. I'd love to see what a media library's budget is compared to 1970 and what
[Videolib] Planning grant paves way for open source Variations on Video project at IU Libraries
Variations on Video is getting underway; follow along on Twitter: http://twitter.com/varvideo or Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Variations-on-Video/156338224376685 Press release below; web version at http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/15580.htmlhttp://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/15580.html. http://www.indiana.edu/ http://newsinfo.iu.edu/ News Release Last modified: Monday, September 20, 2010 Planning grant paves way for open source Variations on Video project at IU Libraries FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Sept. 20, 2010 BLOOMINGTON, Ind. -- A $49,504 grant from the federal Institute of Museum and Library Services will enable the Indiana University Libraries to plan the next phase of development for its Variations digital music library system. Variations is an open-source system providing online access to selected sound recordings and musical scores. It was developed at IU and is now used by multiple college and university libraries. In collaboration with Northwestern University Library, staff in IU's Digital Library Program will develop a roadmap for adapting the software to manage and deliver digital video collections through the new Variations on Video project. This project builds upon the past success of Variations as well as on IU's and Northwestern's extensive histories in providing access to digitized audio and video collections. The collaboration will include participants from the University of Miami, New York University, Ohio State University and Stanford University, as well as representatives from DuraSpace and Opencast Matterhorn, two higher education open source initiatives focused on content management. Expanding beyond the music focus of the current Variations system, Variations on Video will investigate the needs of those who would benefit from improved access to digital video collections managed by academic libraries. Because of the explosion of demand for digital video access, university libraries are looking for a way to more easily integrate library-managed video collections into teaching, learning and research activities, said Jon Dunn, director of Library Technologies and Digital Libraries at IU and project director for the new grant. Users of the system will be able to control access to their collections according to license agreements, copyright and local institutional policies. In addition to the input from the planning group, user data from surveys, observations and interviews of faculty and students will help us tailor a suite of interactive video tools that will be superior to the common Web video players that only allow limited interaction and control. As part of the project, the planning group will engage librarians and technologists to help identify the technical needs for a digital video collections delivery and management system. According to Claire Stewart, head of Digital Collections at the Northwestern University Library and project lead for Northwestern on the grant, technologies and standards for digital video delivery over the Web and to mobile devices are a moving target. Making sound technical decisions will be one of the key challenges the planning group will face, Stewart said. The team will also develop a plan for the software development work required. In order for the project to be successful, universities will need to collaborate on the development and ongoing maintenance of the system as well as on testing and evaluation. Brenda Johnson, Ruth Lilly Dean of University Libraries, is confident the project is important to universities and other institutions. There is a great deal of interest and demand from implementers and evaluators of Variations as well as from additional institutions that we have contacted in developing this proposal. Adding support for video to the existing rich set of pedagogical tools will broaden the appeal of Variations beyond music to other subjects. The IU Digital Library Program is a collaborative effort of the IU Libraries and the Office of the Vice President for Information Technology, with faculty leadership from the School of Library and Information Science and the School of Informatics and Computing. The Institute of Museum and Library Services is the primary source of federal support for the nation's 123,000 libraries and 17,500 museums. The Institute's mission is to create strong libraries and museums that connect people to information and ideas. The Institute works at the national level and in coordination with state and local organizations to sustain heritage, culture, and knowledge; enhance learning and innovation; and support professional development. To learn more about the Institute, please visit http://www.imls.gov/www.imls.gov. For more information on the Variations on Video project, see http://www.dlib.indiana.edu/projects/vov/http://www.dlib.indiana.edu/projects/vov/. 530 E. Kirkwood Ave. Suite 201 Bloomington,
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Matt, Things are rarely clear in the video world; we just try to do our best. I hope you'll be able to join us at a conference soon so that you can join in the discussions. CCUMC is next week so probably a bit late to plan for that, but the National Media Market coming up at the end of October. And of course there will be Video Round Table activities at ALA Midwinter Annual. We're all very nice in person. Really. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Hi Barb, Actually, I'll be at both CCUMC and NMM and I'm looking forward to meeting everyone and being a part of the discussions. If you see me, be sure and say hello. Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bergman, Barbara J [barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:20 PM To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' Subject: Re: [Videolib] Question about streaming rights Matt, Things are rarely clear in the video world; we just try to do our best. I hope you'll be able to join us at a conference soon so that you can join in the discussions. CCUMC is next week so probably a bit late to plan for that, but the National Media Market coming up at the end of October. And of course there will be Video Round Table activities at ALA Midwinter Annual. We're all very nice in person. Really. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
