[vintagvw] SJSU software?

[Lazlo]

John - what was the software that was used to run the vintagvw list?  Was
it infact LISTPROC?  Did you ever use majordomo or were you pretty much
using listproc because that's the platform that sjsu.edu used?

NQ

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[vintagvw] Nick Stokes vwradios.com

[Lazlo]

I received this message from Nick who wanted me to post it to the listserv
since he has not been able to:

VintageVW enthusiasts.

Good to see some familiar names and sad that some have passed on.

As some of you may know, I am no longer taking in radios for repair.  I’m
fully retired now and have many radios I need to repair and offer to the VW
community which will be sold on thesamba.com.  In addition to working on my
daughters’ VWs, one that needs new pans and the other an engine rebuild, I
have classic BMW motorcycles which I maintain and ride frequently.

I will be keeping the web site and vwradios email active for the time being
and will answer any radio questions or requests for radios using the
i...@vwradios.com email address.  As mentioned, I do have many radios, both
Sapphire and Motorola but not many good faceplates to make complete sets.

Nick Stokes
vwradios.com

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Re: [vintagvw] Just checking ...

[Lazlo]

Oh a ragtop!  What problems does it have?  Are you needing help to get
the engine going or is it bodywork or both?  I haven't driven my bug for
probably close to 10 years now and I need to get out Li'l Red and get him
going.  My wife and I are planning to get a shop built on our acreage so
that at long last I can actually work on stuff.  I want to get a 2 or 4
post lift installed too so I can stand up.  My grandpa was about 60 years
old when he finally got his shop built so I could potentially beat him by
10 years.  He got to enjoy his for about 30 years so maybe I've got 40
left?  I dunno but I can tell you it doesn't get any easier as you get
older.  :)

NQ

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:58 PM Eric Ridvan Üner  wrote:

> I've been a lurker here since the late 90's as well - benefiting from the
> fine community's advice and help, which was always eagerly given and
> tremendously appreciated. I don't really have the skills return the favors.
>
> My Bug has sat unmoving for a decade or so as work and life and kids
> replaced all the car time. I still say goodnight to it and dust it off
> regularly. His big brother the 911 in the space next to it gets out now and
> then in good weather (it's a Targa), but salty roads and snowy winters keep
> it inside much of the year.
>
> With the Bug, the wife wants it moving or gone so she can have the garage
> space. I've not yet decided if I need to engage someone to re-re-restore
> it, or if it needs to bring joy to another enthusiast. I just don't have
> the cycles to work on it these days, and won't for some time.
>
> Seeing emails on the list has really given me a smile!
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0n5aDWbrZC0MV
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2021, at 9:05 AM, mbucch...@charter.net wrote:
>
> I’m still here and still actively rebuilding and restoring old VW’s (and
> some Porsches) .   Now that I have a good line bore kit, I can help my
> friends with that too.  Mostly retired and with more time to play
> Volkswagens!
>
> I have my ‘59 euro ragtop bug, an ‘87 Westy, Cheryl Deschene’s (RIP) ‘58
> bug, and a ‘71 Ghia.
>
> Mike Bucchino
>
> My iPhone 5S iOS 12 is ready for upgrade!
>
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> *From:* vintagvw@googlegroups.com  on behalf
> of bert.kn...@comcast.net 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 3, 2021 09:59
> *To:* vintagvw@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [vintagvw] Just checking ...
>
> Volks,
> I’ve been following the thread, newly unraveled by NQ, checking the vitals
> of the old listserv group.  So I suppose I ought to see if it’s still
> receiving me.  As I posted recently, I’m alive and well in Nashville,
> mostly working on my police beetle (and a ’72 SB) and hitting the regional
> shows and other events. I’ve gone from working on my cars to just enjoying
> them, now that they’re restored and looking good.  I’ve also been assisting
> some other folks around the country with their own restorations (free
> advice is a specialty), especially those with old VW emergency vehicles –
> or re-creations of the same. One guy has a beautiful old fire chief’s car
> (an Einsatzleitwagen) in Upstate NY. I have a Facebook page for car stuff
> under “Robert Knupp.” There’s a group based in Belgium, “Vw d’Urgence,”
> that’s fun, too.
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Re: [vintagvw] Options for a new listserv?

[Lazlo]

Oh thank goodness you're still here John!  I was wondering if you might
have left us so I'm really glad that is not the case!

First off, do you know why I can't reply to any messages from within the
google groups interface itself?  I'm assuming it has something to do with
security on the list and preventing spam.  I'm now starting to get messages
at my other email address so I'm assuming that Nick Stokes (the vw radio
guy) is starting to get them as well.  I suppose it's a bit of shock to see
the last message come through June of 2020 and then bam - a year and half
later have the list awaken again and start seeing activity come through on
the group!

It seems we will have a small die-hard group that would like to the list to
continue.  I'm not a big fan of the google infrastructure myself, but just
because I don't like it doesn't mean that it can't serve a useful purpose
for others.
I really liked the old listserv and the ease by which people could join and
unsub and you could do it without having to have a gmail account.  It looks
like listproc is opensource and requires a linux box to get it working.  I
think the saddest part is the old sjsu address which is still to this day
slathered all over online as the place to go subscribe to the vintagvw list
at.  I don't know that anyone who searches for the listserv would rightly
know where to go.  We just happen to know because we were on the list at
the time.

I do find this google groups interface to be a bit more difficult to
navigate.  I miss just having individual emails show up in my box and being
able to reply.  Since my email is aliased through my Internet Provider, if
I subscribe to anything, the conflict between my root account and aliased
one causes the server to reject my messages.  So then I have to log into my
webmail interface in order to get a post through.  I'm still using a
outlook express - hacked to work on Windows 7.  I have a Windows 10
machine, but it sits dormant most of the time while I enjoy getting by on
as old of an O.S. as I can.

I can understand why you chose google groups.  For as semi-dead as the list
is, it makes you wonder if it's worth putting any more effort into it.  So
much has switched to facebook and thesamba and a plethora of other sites,
but still I must admit that I like the purity of a listserv - no pictures,
no html, and overall it takes a bit of an effort and technie know-how to
just get signed up in the first place.  If you're that sharp that you can
understand how it works, then maybe you're worth talking to - LOL!

I gotta get to work, but thanks for jumping in and letting us know you're
here.  I'm willing to help in whatever capacity I can.  My wife and I live
in the country and we had to set up our own private wifi network to get the
internet we want, but I have the option of setting up a server at the host
site, but of course nothing is as robust and utilizing something that is
already online with the caveat being that you don't have full control.

Keep the ideas rolling everyone.

NQ

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 1:42 PM John Sroka  wrote:

> Hi everyone.  The VintagVW discussion list is still on Google Groups, I
> think some of the issues you are reporting are that Google is making list
> participation a lot harder without each subscriber having a Google id.
>
> The last post before these recent threads was June 2020, per the footer
> all posts are archived at
> http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com back to 2008.
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe options used to be simple, it appears now that
> Google is asking for a Google userid for a subscriber to self-serve their
> subscription status.  For now, any questions about list subscription can be
> sent to my personal address john.at...@gmail.com
>
> The 2012 migration from ListProc to Google Groups was due to the
> University's migration to the Google Education suite, non-University lists
> were asked to move elsewhere.
>
> NQ, thanks for your ideas about the list direction; happy to work with you
> and any others who are interested on list future and possible transfer of
> list ownership.
>
> Best,
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 6:40 AM Dave C. Bolen 
> wrote:
>
>> NQ,
>>
>> From a 50 year IT perspective I suspect it was moved over to googlegroups
>> so that it was free.  No servers to worry about and if emails that are
>> flowing thru this group get the same scan as all gmail messages then it
>> is pretty safe.
>>
>> The admin side of it is probably pretty easy and straightforward as long
>> as someone still has the credentials.
>>
>> Finding who "owns" the group might be difficult but not impossible.
>>
>> this page might be helpfull.
>> https://support.google.com/groups/#topic=9216
>>
>> Cheers, dave
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021, Lazlo wrote:
>>
>> > I wanted to ask everyone's opinion on what they think would be a good
>> direction for the listserv?  I'm not
>> > willing to let it go, but 9 years ago when it was moved over to google
>> groups, it was 

Re: [vintagvw] Just checking ...

[Eric Ridvan Üner]

I've been a lurker here since the late 90's as well - benefiting from the fine 
community's advice and help, which was always eagerly given and tremendously 
appreciated. I don't really have the skills return the favors. 

My Bug has sat unmoving for a decade or so as work and life and kids replaced 
all the car time. I still say goodnight to it and dust it off regularly. His 
big brother the 911 in the space next to it gets out now and then in good 
weather (it's a Targa), but salty roads and snowy winters keep it inside much 
of the year. 

With the Bug, the wife wants it moving or gone so she can have the garage 
space. I've not yet decided if I need to engage someone to re-re-restore it, or 
if it needs to bring joy to another enthusiast. I just don't have the cycles to 
work on it these days, and won't for some time. 

Seeing emails on the list has really given me a smile!

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0n5aDWbrZC0MV

Eric


> On Nov 3, 2021, at 9:05 AM, mbucch...@charter.net wrote:
> 
> I’m still here and still actively rebuilding and restoring old VW’s (and some 
> Porsches) .   Now that I have a good line bore kit, I can help my friends 
> with that too.  Mostly retired and with more time to play Volkswagens!
> 
> I have my ‘59 euro ragtop bug, an ‘87 Westy, Cheryl Deschene’s (RIP) ‘58 bug, 
> and a ‘71 Ghia.
> 
> Mike Bucchino
> 
> My iPhone 5S iOS 12 is ready for upgrade!
>  
> From: vintagvw@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
> bert.kn...@comcast.net 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 09:59
> To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [vintagvw] Just checking ...
>  
> Volks,
> I’ve been following the thread, newly unraveled by NQ, checking the vitals of 
> the old listserv group.  So I suppose I ought to see if it’s still receiving 
> me.  As I posted recently, I’m alive and well in Nashville, mostly working on 
> my police beetle (and a ’72 SB) and hitting the regional shows and other 
> events. I’ve gone from working on my cars to just enjoying them, now that 
> they’re restored and looking good.  I’ve also been assisting some other folks 
> around the country with their own restorations (free advice is a specialty), 
> especially those with old VW emergency vehicles – or re-creations of the 
> same. One guy has a beautiful old fire chief’s car (an Einsatzleitwagen) in 
> Upstate NY. I have a Facebook page for car stuff under “Robert Knupp.” 
> There’s a group based in Belgium, “Vw d’Urgence,” that’s fun, too. 
> 
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Re: [vintagvw] Options for a new listserv?

[John Sroka]

Hi everyone.  The VintagVW discussion list is still on Google Groups, I
think some of the issues you are reporting are that Google is making list
participation a lot harder without each subscriber having a Google id.

The last post before these recent threads was June 2020, per the footer all
posts are archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com
back to 2008.

Subscribe/Unsubscribe options used to be simple, it appears now that Google
is asking for a Google userid for a subscriber to self-serve their
subscription status.  For now, any questions about list subscription can be
sent to my personal address john.at...@gmail.com

The 2012 migration from ListProc to Google Groups was due to the
University's migration to the Google Education suite, non-University lists
were asked to move elsewhere.

NQ, thanks for your ideas about the list direction; happy to work with you
and any others who are interested on list future and possible transfer of
list ownership.

Best,

John

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 6:40 AM Dave C. Bolen 
wrote:

> NQ,
>
> From a 50 year IT perspective I suspect it was moved over to googlegroups
> so that it was free.  No servers to worry about and if emails that are
> flowing thru this group get the same scan as all gmail messages then it
> is pretty safe.
>
> The admin side of it is probably pretty easy and straightforward as long
> as someone still has the credentials.
>
> Finding who "owns" the group might be difficult but not impossible.
>
> this page might be helpfull.
> https://support.google.com/groups/#topic=9216
>
> Cheers, dave
>
> On Wed, 3 Nov 2021, Lazlo wrote:
>
> > I wanted to ask everyone's opinion on what they think would be a good
> direction for the listserv?  I'm not
> > willing to let it go, but 9 years ago when it was moved over to google
> groups, it was never the same.  For
> > whatever reason, John Sroka moved it over - I suppose due to the
> dwindling support and people moving enmasse
> > over to other platforms.
> > I suppose with me it's the tradition of getting my information via email
> and uncluttered with photos and ads as
> > you would get from facebook.  Pictures are nice and there is some merit
> to it, but the tradition of
> > disseminating information over email means something to me.  It's really
> cool that after all these years, we
> > are all still on!  I have no idea how many people are left on here, but
> I'd hate to lose touch.  I'm sure we
> > lost touch with a ton of people already.
> >
> > I've looked into installing listserv software on a dedicated server
> (which would be prone to the occasional
> > internet outages that I go through) and perhaps maybe there are other
> "free" or even pay-based sites that would
> > work far better than google groups.  I guess the option is there to just
> simply start a new google group with
> > the same name where it can be moderated.
> >
> > Or in the end is it all worth it?  I like the ability to go months or
> years, send a message, and boom - still
> > get replies from some of the core users.  That's really cool.
> >
> > If any of you would be interested in some future version of the
> listserv, I'd be willing to compile a list of
> > names and email addresses so that if and when something new comes about,
> I could notify you.  Feel free to
> > email me at my same email address I've had for over 20 years at
> silentATbeatriceneDOTcom or my google one
> > erinDOTlassleyATgmailDOTcom and I'll compile a list and keep your info
> offline.
> >
> > I'm open to suggestions as well.  Managing a private listserv can be
> quite involved and does have the potential
> > to be abused with spam (which requires active management.)  There is
> also the option of having a facebook page
> > which would serve as a supplement to a listserv where pictures could be
> shown as well as utilizing the page as
> > a way to shuttle people to the listserv.  I guess we also have the
> option of leaving things as they are, but
> > with a moderator I have no idea how much longer this will last.  It's
> not being actively maintained and new
> > users aren't able to join.  I would like to think that maybe since there
> are long periods of inactivity, John
> > just doesn't check it any more or maybe he has met with an untimely
> demise.  Covid has been brutal and I'm sure
> > if something happened to him, this listserv would be the least of his
> families worries (if they even know about
> > it at all.)
> >
> > Let me know what you think.  Being honest is fine.  If disbanding and
> letting it rest sounds good, though sad
> > perhaps it would be realistic?
> >
> > I better get ready for work so have a think and let me know if you guys
> think we should do something to
> > preserve our listserv.
> >
> > NQ
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Re: [vintagvw] Just checking ...

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 From: vintagvw@googlegroups.com  on behalf of bert.kn...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 09:59To: vintagvw@googlegroups.comSubject: [vintagvw] Just checking ... Volks,I’ve been following the thread, newly unraveled by NQ, checking the vitals of the old listserv group.  So I suppose I ought to see if it’s still receiving me.  As I posted recently, I’m alive and well in Nashville, mostly working on my police beetle (and a ’72 SB) and hitting the regional shows and other events. I’ve gone from working on my cars to just enjoying them, now that they’re restored and looking good.  I’ve also been assisting some other folks around the country with their own restorations (free advice is a specialty), especially those with old VW emergency vehicles – or re-creations of the same. One guy has a beautiful old fire chief’s car (an Einsatzleitwagen) in Upstate NY. I have a Facebook page for car stuff under “Robert Knupp.” There’s a group based in Belgium, “Vw d’Urgence,” that’s fun, too. 



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[vintagvw] Just checking ...

[bert.knupp]

Volks,

I've been following the thread, newly unraveled by NQ, checking the vitals
of the old listserv group.  So I suppose I ought to see if it's still
receiving me.  As I posted recently, I'm alive and well in Nashville, mostly
working on my police beetle (and a '72 SB) and hitting the regional shows
and other events. I've gone from working on my cars to just enjoying them,
now that they're restored and looking good.  I've also been assisting some
other folks around the country with their own restorations (free advice is a
specialty), especially those with old VW emergency vehicles - or
re-creations of the same. One guy has a beautiful old fire chief's car (an
Einsatzleitwagen) in Upstate NY. I have a Facebook page for car stuff under
"Robert Knupp." There's a group based in Belgium, "Vw d'Urgence," that's
fun, too. 

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Re: [vintagvw] Is the list still active?

[Dave C. Bolen]

Ray,

I'll text him and see if he is getting the vintagvw mails.

cheers, dave

cheers, dave

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021, 'Ray Yoder' via VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion 
List wrote:


Thanks for your efforts!  Maybe we can bring Jim Anderson back

Sent from the all new AOL app for Android

  On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:00 PM, Lazlo
 wrote:
Okay I sent in a new request from a different email address and it says that it 
requires approval from
the listmod.  I also sent a message to the listmod so let's see what happens.  
I haven't found John on
facebook yet since it seems Sroka is a somewhat common name.  Thanks for 
putting up with my test posts
while I figure out what to do with this.
NQ

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 6:49 PM Lazlo  wrote:
  I'm really surprised this list is still working.  It's nice to see all 
the familiar names
  once again!  I remember Kirin and Suleman, Gilbert Sy Chan, Rachel, Thom 
Fitzpatrick, Rob
  Kuhn, and many other greats!
I've been chatting with Nick of vwradios.com and he isn't able to post on the 
list so he will be
sending me something that I can share on his behalf.

He made the suggestion that whoever set up the list on google groups probably 
has deleted their
account or lost access to it.  That being the case, this is probably why the 
the only way you can
post anything here is via whatever email address you're currently subscribed 
with.  I can't even
reply via google groups and none of the commands I've tried will work.  It 
seems the list is
hanging on by a thread.

Is anyone interested in doing it the old way if I can find some listserv 
software and run it on a
dedicated server?  If so, I'll get something figured out.  I'm going to first 
of all see if I can
find John Sroka and ask him what's up with this google groups thing.  It seems 
as if it might be
abandoned.  I wouldn't care if I set up a new listserv and it didn't get used 
very often.  As it
stands, the last message I got with it was back in June of 2020 I think.

I'll do some research and let you all know what I find out.  I'll start with 
trying to track down
John and go from there.

NQ

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 6:33 PM lloyd mcclelland  wrote:
Hi   VW vintage list  , I'm still here with VW projects ( hopefully waiting 
) I've passed the
'57 sedan on to Kafer Dave who finished a wonderful restoration , and bought 
another 87
Vanagon ..The '61 sunroof beetle still is hiding in the garage ... Nice to see 
these VW names
..Lloyd in Eureka CA.

On Nov 2, 2021, at 10:03 AM, 'Ray Yoder' via VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen 
Discussion List
 wrote:

This pic left a permanent image in my brain. Always loved your stories!! How 
is your wife
doing?
Anyone remember Suleman and his brother?  Think Suleman moved to the US but his 
brother was
in Pakistan?  Any updates on them?

Ray

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  On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 10:47 PM, Lazlo
 wrote:
Yep I still have them in their original format.  Funny how in the day, you 
could view
them just fine on a P166 machine and now they are so tiny with the higher 
resolutions
we run today.
https://elassleybie.incolor.com/temp/Mexibug/

I think I took these with my sister's Advantix camera and scanned them in.  
When I run
across the photos, I'll rescan with a better resolution.

I'm amazed you still remembered this.  It doesn't seem all that long ago, but I 
was as
old then as it has been years since!

NQ

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 9:07 PM 'Scott S' via VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen
Discussion List  wrote:
  Nice to hear from you all!Scott Sportsman
73 Thing

Please excuse my spelling, message sent from my rotary dial phone.

  On Oct 31, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Kirin Jacobsen 
  wrote:

  I'm still kicking. Been sorting out my resto cal. Life's busy but I
  still remember the glory days. 
-Kirin

On Sun., Oct. 31, 2021, 5:40 p.m. 'Ray Yoder' via VintagVW - Air Cooled
Volkswagen Discussion List,  wrote:
  Hi NQ. do you still have the pic of you with the bug body on
  the roof?
Sadly we also lost Bill May some time ago. Anyone hear from Jim
Anderson?  

Sent from the all new AOL app for Android

  On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 2:47 PM, Lazlo
 wrote:
Nice to hear from you Bruce.  Can't you think of better things
to think about than me?  LOL!  Seriously it's nice to be
remembered.
I tried to subscribe another email address to the listserv and
there is just nothing I can do.  It's just locked up really
tight so I'm even wondering if any new subscribers can get on? 
We might just be locked down to whomever is here at the moment,
but I'm not for sure.

The glory days of the list seem to be in the past since and
it's a shame, but it's clearly evident why.  The mass use of
internet and the social media platforms have just completely
watered things down.  It used to be that if you "on the list"
you were automatically in a close-knit group that required some
level of computer savvy to find and get on to.  Admittedly

Re: [vintagvw] Options for a new listserv?

[Dave C. Bolen]

NQ,

From a 50 year IT perspective I suspect it was moved over to googlegroups 
so that it was free.  No servers to worry about and if emails that are 
flowing thru this group get the same scan as all gmail messages then it

is pretty safe.

The admin side of it is probably pretty easy and straightforward as long
as someone still has the credentials.

Finding who "owns" the group might be difficult but not impossible.

this page might be helpfull.
https://support.google.com/groups/#topic=9216

Cheers, dave

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021, Lazlo wrote:


I wanted to ask everyone's opinion on what they think would be a good direction 
for the listserv?  I'm not
willing to let it go, but 9 years ago when it was moved over to google groups, 
it was never the same.  For
whatever reason, John Sroka moved it over - I suppose due to the dwindling 
support and people moving enmasse
over to other platforms.
I suppose with me it's the tradition of getting my information via email and 
uncluttered with photos and ads as
you would get from facebook.  Pictures are nice and there is some merit to it, 
but the tradition of
disseminating information over email means something to me.  It's really cool 
that after all these years, we
are all still on!  I have no idea how many people are left on here, but I'd 
hate to lose touch.  I'm sure we
lost touch with a ton of people already.

I've looked into installing listserv software on a dedicated server (which 
would be prone to the occasional
internet outages that I go through) and perhaps maybe there are other "free" or 
even pay-based sites that would
work far better than google groups.  I guess the option is there to just simply 
start a new google group with
the same name where it can be moderated.

Or in the end is it all worth it?  I like the ability to go months or years, 
send a message, and boom - still
get replies from some of the core users.  That's really cool.

If any of you would be interested in some future version of the listserv, I'd 
be willing to compile a list of
names and email addresses so that if and when something new comes about, I 
could notify you.  Feel free to
email me at my same email address I've had for over 20 years at 
silentATbeatriceneDOTcom or my google one
erinDOTlassleyATgmailDOTcom and I'll compile a list and keep your info offline.

I'm open to suggestions as well.  Managing a private listserv can be quite 
involved and does have the potential
to be abused with spam (which requires active management.)  There is also the 
option of having a facebook page
which would serve as a supplement to a listserv where pictures could be shown 
as well as utilizing the page as
a way to shuttle people to the listserv.  I guess we also have the option of 
leaving things as they are, but
with a moderator I have no idea how much longer this will last.  It's not being 
actively maintained and new
users aren't able to join.  I would like to think that maybe since there are 
long periods of inactivity, John
just doesn't check it any more or maybe he has met with an untimely demise.  
Covid has been brutal and I'm sure
if something happened to him, this listserv would be the least of his families 
worries (if they even know about
it at all.)

Let me know what you think.  Being honest is fine.  If disbanding and letting 
it rest sounds good, though sad
perhaps it would be realistic?  

I better get ready for work so have a think and let me know if you guys think 
we should do something to
preserve our listserv.

NQ

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Re: [vintagvw] Is the list still active?

['Ray Yoder' via VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List]

Thanks for your efforts!  Maybe we can bring Jim Anderson back

Sent from the all new AOL app for Android 
 
  On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:00 PM, Lazlo wrote:   Okay I 
sent in a new request from a different email address and it says that it 
requires approval from the listmod.  I also sent a message to the listmod so 
let's see what happens.  I haven't found John on facebook yet since it seems 
Sroka is a somewhat common name.  Thanks for putting up with my test posts 
while I figure out what to do with this.
NQ
On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 6:49 PM Lazlo  wrote:

I'm really surprised this list is still working.  It's nice to see all the 
familiar names once again!  I remember Kirin and Suleman, Gilbert Sy Chan, 
Rachel, Thom Fitzpatrick, Rob Kuhn, and many other greats!
I've been chatting with Nick of vwradios.com and he isn't able to post on the 
list so he will be sending me something that I can share on his behalf.
He made the suggestion that whoever set up the list on google groups probably 
has deleted their account or lost access to it.  That being the case, this is 
probably why the the only way you can post anything here is via whatever email 
address you're currently subscribed with.  I can't even reply via google groups 
and none of the commands I've tried will work.  It seems the list is hanging on 
by a thread.
Is anyone interested in doing it the old way if I can find some listserv 
software and run it on a dedicated server?  If so, I'll get something figured 
out.  I'm going to first of all see if I can find John Sroka and ask him what's 
up with this google groups thing.  It seems as if it might be abandoned.  I 
wouldn't care if I set up a new listserv and it didn't get used very often.  As 
it stands, the last message I got with it was back in June of 2020 I think.
I'll do some research and let you all know what I find out.  I'll start with 
trying to track down John and go from there.
NQ
On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 6:33 PM lloyd mcclelland  wrote:

Hi   VW vintage list  , I'm still here with VW projects ( hopefully waiting 
) I've passed the '57 sedan on to Kafer Dave who finished a wonderful 
restoration , and bought another 87 Vanagon ..The '61 sunroof beetle still is 
hiding in the garage ... Nice to see these VW names ..Lloyd in Eureka CA.
On Nov 2, 2021, at 10:03 AM, 'Ray Yoder' via VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen 
Discussion List  wrote:

This pic left a permanent image in my brain. Always loved your stories!! How 
is your wife doing?
Anyone remember Suleman and his brother?  Think Suleman moved to the US but his 
brother was in Pakistan?  Any updates on them?
Ray

Sent from the all new AOL app for Android 
 
  On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 10:47 PM, Lazlo wrote:   Yep 
I still have them in their original format.  Funny how in the day, you could 
view them just fine on a P166 machine and now they are so tiny with the higher 
resolutions we run today.
https://elassleybie.incolor.com/temp/Mexibug/

I think I took these with my sister's Advantix camera and scanned them in.  
When I run across the photos, I'll rescan with a better resolution.
I'm amazed you still remembered this.  It doesn't seem all that long ago, but I 
was as old then as it has been years since!
NQ
On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 9:07 PM 'Scott S' via VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen 
Discussion List  wrote:

Nice to hear from you all!Scott Sportsman73 Thing

Please excuse my spelling, message sent from my rotary dial phone.

On Oct 31, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Kirin Jacobsen  wrote:



I'm still kicking. Been sorting out my resto cal. Life's busy but I still 
remember the glory days. 
-Kirin
On Sun., Oct. 31, 2021, 5:40 p.m. 'Ray Yoder' via VintagVW - Air Cooled 
Volkswagen Discussion List,  wrote:

Hi NQ. do you still have the pic of you with the bug body on the roof?
Sadly we also lost Bill May some time ago. Anyone hear from Jim Anderson?  
Sent from the all new AOL app for Android 
 
  On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 2:47 PM, Lazlo wrote:   Nice 
to hear from you Bruce.  Can't you think of better things to think about than 
me?  LOL!  Seriously it's nice to be remembered.
I tried to subscribe another email address to the listserv and there is just 
nothing I can do.  It's just locked up really tight so I'm even wondering if 
any new subscribers can get on?  We might just be locked down to whomever is 
here at the moment, but I'm not for sure.
The glory days of the list seem to be in the past since and it's a shame, but 
it's clearly evident why.  The mass use of internet and the social media 
platforms have just completely watered things down.  It used to be that if you 
"on the list" you were automatically in a close-knit group that required some 
level of computer savvy to find and get on to.  Admittedly though, isn't it so 
much easier to just click 'Join Group' on facebook, kick back, and let the 
information and pictures roll in?  Before, you had to send emails in to 
subscribe, unsubscribe (how many times did we see 'unsubscribe' sent to 

[vintagvw] Options for a new listserv?

[Lazlo]

I wanted to ask everyone's opinion on what they think would be a good
direction for the listserv?  I'm not willing to let it go, but 9 years ago
when it was moved over to google groups, it was never the same.  For
whatever reason, John Sroka moved it over - I suppose due to the dwindling
support and people moving enmasse over to other platforms.

I suppose with me it's the tradition of getting my information via email
and uncluttered with photos and ads as you would get from facebook.
Pictures are nice and there is some merit to it, but the tradition of
disseminating information over email means something to me.  It's really
cool that after all these years, we are all still on!  I have no idea how
many people are left on here, but I'd hate to lose touch.  I'm sure we lost
touch with a ton of people already.

I've looked into installing listserv software on a dedicated server (which
would be prone to the occasional internet outages that I go through) and
perhaps maybe there are other "free" or even pay-based sites that would
work far better than google groups.  I guess the option is there to just
simply start a new google group with the same name where it can be
moderated.

Or in the end is it all worth it?  I like the ability to go months or
years, send a message, and boom - still get replies from some of the core
users.  That's really cool.

If any of you would be interested in some future version of the listserv,
I'd be willing to compile a list of names and email addresses so that if
and when something new comes about, I could notify you.  Feel free to email
me at my same email address I've had for over 20 years at
silentATbeatriceneDOTcom or my google one erinDOTlassleyATgmailDOTcom and
I'll compile a list and keep your info offline.

I'm open to suggestions as well.  Managing a private listserv can be quite
involved and does have the potential to be abused with spam (which requires
active management.)  There is also the option of having a facebook page
which would serve as a supplement to a listserv where pictures could be
shown as well as utilizing the page as a way to shuttle people to the
listserv.  I guess we also have the option of leaving things as they are,
but with a moderator I have no idea how much longer this will last.  It's
not being actively maintained and new users aren't able to join.  I would
like to think that maybe since there are long periods of inactivity, John
just doesn't check it any more or maybe he has met with an untimely
demise.  Covid has been brutal and I'm sure if something happened to him,
this listserv would be the least of his families worries (if they even know
about it at all.)

Let me know what you think.  Being honest is fine.  If disbanding and
letting it rest sounds good, though sad perhaps it would be realistic?

I better get ready for work so have a think and let me know if you guys
think we should do something to preserve our listserv.

NQ

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