RE: [vintagvw] The rebuild begins
Two prybars wiggled side to side until it walks off the end of the crank. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Kirin Jacobsen Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 7:32 PM To: vintagvw@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [vintagvw] The rebuild begins Side note, anybody have some advice on how to get the flywheel off the crank? Gland nut is out and it's on there tight Kirin On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 4:06 PM Mike Bucchino Sr wrote: The first oil change will have a metallic goo on the sump Darin plate due to the new bearings first layer of soft lead that wears off in initial break in. Also the rings break in to the cylinder walls and the cam beds into the lifters. This all creates a lot of fine metallic swarf in the oil. Completely normal and expected. That’s why the first oil changes need to be shorter intervals. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 9, 2019, at 17:33, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: Oil was totally metal colored. Sump screen was actually pretty clean, there was a fair bit of goo on the sump plate and some material on the magnetic oil plug. Oil pump actually looks really good. Heres some more photos of the bearings and I'm reasonably sure that the pitting on one of the lifters means they should be replaced. https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51626504_10161513592440074_6526912270444789760_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=b9b8dc0a3ac0debf13f14a5df2d5ac89=5CE78F30 https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51645271_10161513592535074_7318808011084922880_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=3d013bdd50e52caeb0474ba19af3ce84=5CF79CE1 And yes I'm planning on properly attaching the pickup extension https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51892059_10161513592615074_8472706637931479040_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=2a5d84266a9803a9a5df1019bbff2b2f=5CF2499A https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51685651_10161513592655074_1761470262521364480_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=1c025b3684ae2716341ba9fd2cc3d783=5CB4991F https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52390016_10161513592715074_4957441764907548672_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=11438dc6045ddd4a080fa36b5fc8769a=5CEC9A37 https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51677767_10161513592780074_372134267381088256_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=798a1bc650e0ef49221c9f7c664ebe22=5CECA506 -Kirin On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 1:51 PM Dave C. Bolen wrote: Kirin, Yes, near as I can tell, metal flecks in the oil? Looks like the piston/cylinder seal was breached and metal particles were in the oil in the sump. If you haven't thrown away the filter, open it up and see what it caught. Bigger chunks in the filter screen? Take a look at your gears in the oil pump for sure. Cheers, dave On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: > Morning all,Heres some photos since they are worth a thousand words. So here > is a photo dump. > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45348668_10161157046835074_2735175675357954048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=c0a984fb1f3 > 2e2f4d3277cee46dde07d=5CEAB4AF > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51703035_10161512286945074_1593177616909598720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=f3aedea65c1 > f0c74265db845a6ba7f28=5CE1D719 > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52008447_10161512287070074_6063943499202428928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=2acd3a7e2da > 632c310cf047177125a2e=5CFCC63D > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51559141_10161512287165074_2895131862462627840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=75f9ac483b4 > 0718123c4075b2199386b=5CEF8B78 > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51689235_10161512287245074_493753829804736512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=90a4ceaecb01 > 63076413eef69c21f621=5CE74A40 > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51953782_10161512287320074_993443841283457024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=aa25a30f9607 > 745e0f6815ed1ccb87a0=5CE9F119 > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51590747_10161512287400074_4824425330670305280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=0cee3e11b9a > f874379bd20f75e67e684=5CEB5303 > > And hopefully that helps > > -Kirin > > > > On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 5:29 AM Dave C. Bolen > wrote: > Kirin, > > When you say the oil looked terrible, what do you mean?...just from > sitting?...condensation? > > If the ring lands of cylinder #3 look good and the cross hatching is >still > there with no flaws, you should not have any metal parts from the head > or piston in your oil. > > I don't think I would be worried about the oil cooler or passage ways > since you
Re: [vintagvw] The rebuild begins
The first oil change will have a metallic goo on the sump Darin plate due to the new bearings first layer of soft lead that wears off in initial break in. Also the rings break in to the cylinder walls and the cam beds into the lifters. This all creates a lot of fine metallic swarf in the oil. Completely normal and expected. That’s why the first oil changes need to be shorter intervals. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 9, 2019, at 17:33, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: > > Oil was totally metal colored. Sump screen was actually pretty clean, there > was a fair bit of goo on the sump plate and some material on the magnetic oil > plug. Oil pump actually looks really good. Heres some more photos of the > bearings and I'm reasonably sure that the pitting on one of the lifters means > they should be replaced. > > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51626504_10161513592440074_6526912270444789760_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=b9b8dc0a3ac0debf13f14a5df2d5ac89=5CE78F30 > > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51645271_10161513592535074_7318808011084922880_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=3d013bdd50e52caeb0474ba19af3ce84=5CF79CE1 > > And yes I'm planning on properly attaching the pickup extension > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51892059_10161513592615074_8472706637931479040_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=2a5d84266a9803a9a5df1019bbff2b2f=5CF2499A > > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51685651_10161513592655074_1761470262521364480_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=1c025b3684ae2716341ba9fd2cc3d783=5CB4991F > > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52390016_10161513592715074_4957441764907548672_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=11438dc6045ddd4a080fa36b5fc8769a=5CEC9A37 > > https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51677767_10161513592780074_372134267381088256_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=798a1bc650e0ef49221c9f7c664ebe22=5CECA506 > > -Kirin > >> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 1:51 PM Dave C. Bolen >> wrote: >> Kirin, >> >> Yes, near as I can tell, metal flecks in the oil? >> >> Looks like the piston/cylinder seal was breached and metal particles were >> in the oil in the sump. >> >> If you haven't thrown away the filter, open it up and see what it caught. >> >> Bigger chunks in the filter screen? Take a look at your gears in the oil >> pump for sure. >> >> Cheers, dave >> >> On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: >> >> > Morning all,Heres some photos since they are worth a thousand words. So >> > here is a photo dump. >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45348668_10161157046835074_2735175675357954048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=c0a984fb1f3 >> > 2e2f4d3277cee46dde07d=5CEAB4AF >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51703035_10161512286945074_1593177616909598720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=f3aedea65c1 >> > f0c74265db845a6ba7f28=5CE1D719 >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52008447_10161512287070074_6063943499202428928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=2acd3a7e2da >> > 632c310cf047177125a2e=5CFCC63D >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51559141_10161512287165074_2895131862462627840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=75f9ac483b4 >> > 0718123c4075b2199386b=5CEF8B78 >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51689235_10161512287245074_493753829804736512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=90a4ceaecb01 >> > 63076413eef69c21f621=5CE74A40 >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51953782_10161512287320074_993443841283457024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=aa25a30f9607 >> > 745e0f6815ed1ccb87a0=5CE9F119 >> > >> > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51590747_10161512287400074_4824425330670305280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=0cee3e11b9a >> > f874379bd20f75e67e684=5CEB5303 >> > >> > And hopefully that helps >> > >> > -Kirin >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 5:29 AM Dave C. Bolen >> > wrote: >> > Kirin, >> > >> > When you say the oil looked terrible, what do you mean?...just from >> > sitting?...condensation? >> > >> > If the ring lands of cylinder #3 look good and the cross hatching is >> > still >> > there with no flaws, you should not have any metal parts from the >> > head >> > or piston in your oil. >> > >> > I don't think I would be worried about the oil cooler or passage ways >> > since you have an oil filter, right? >> > >> > I just can't think of any way that you would have metal bits in your >> > oil >> > unless the piston had an actual hole in it... >> > >> > Did I miss something? >> > >> > Cheers, dave >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: >> > >> > > Hey all,Finally I'm digging into
Re: [vintagvw] The rebuild begins
Oil was totally metal colored. Sump screen was actually pretty clean, there was a fair bit of goo on the sump plate and some material on the magnetic oil plug. Oil pump actually looks really good. Heres some more photos of the bearings and I'm reasonably sure that the pitting on one of the lifters means they should be replaced. https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51626504_10161513592440074_6526912270444789760_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=b9b8dc0a3ac0debf13f14a5df2d5ac89=5CE78F30 https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51645271_10161513592535074_7318808011084922880_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=3d013bdd50e52caeb0474ba19af3ce84=5CF79CE1 And yes I'm planning on properly attaching the pickup extension https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51892059_10161513592615074_8472706637931479040_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=2a5d84266a9803a9a5df1019bbff2b2f=5CF2499A https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51685651_10161513592655074_1761470262521364480_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=1c025b3684ae2716341ba9fd2cc3d783=5CB4991F https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52390016_10161513592715074_4957441764907548672_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=11438dc6045ddd4a080fa36b5fc8769a=5CEC9A37 https://scontent.fyka1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51677767_10161513592780074_372134267381088256_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fyka1-1.fna=798a1bc650e0ef49221c9f7c664ebe22=5CECA506 -Kirin On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 1:51 PM Dave C. Bolen wrote: > Kirin, > > Yes, near as I can tell, metal flecks in the oil? > > Looks like the piston/cylinder seal was breached and metal particles were > in the oil in the sump. > > If you haven't thrown away the filter, open it up and see what it caught. > > Bigger chunks in the filter screen? Take a look at your gears in the oil > pump for sure. > > Cheers, dave > > On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: > > > Morning all,Heres some photos since they are worth a thousand words. So > here is a photo dump. > > > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45348668_10161157046835074_2735175675357954048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=c0a984fb1f3 > > 2e2f4d3277cee46dde07d=5CEAB4AF > > > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51703035_10161512286945074_1593177616909598720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=f3aedea65c1 > > f0c74265db845a6ba7f28=5CE1D719 > > > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52008447_10161512287070074_6063943499202428928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=2acd3a7e2da > > 632c310cf047177125a2e=5CFCC63D > > > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51559141_10161512287165074_2895131862462627840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=75f9ac483b4 > > 0718123c4075b2199386b=5CEF8B78 > > > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51689235_10161512287245074_493753829804736512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=90a4ceaecb01 > > 63076413eef69c21f621=5CE74A40 > > > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51953782_10161512287320074_993443841283457024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=aa25a30f9607 > > 745e0f6815ed1ccb87a0=5CE9F119 > > > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51590747_10161512287400074_4824425330670305280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=0cee3e11b9a > > f874379bd20f75e67e684=5CEB5303 > > > > And hopefully that helps > > > > -Kirin > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 5:29 AM Dave C. Bolen > wrote: > > Kirin, > > > > When you say the oil looked terrible, what do you mean?...just from > > sitting?...condensation? > > > > If the ring lands of cylinder #3 look good and the cross hatching > is still > > there with no flaws, you should not have any metal parts from the > head > > or piston in your oil. > > > > I don't think I would be worried about the oil cooler or passage > ways > > since you have an oil filter, right? > > > > I just can't think of any way that you would have metal bits in > your oil > > unless the piston had an actual hole in it... > > > > Did I miss something? > > > > Cheers, dave > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: > > > > > Hey all,Finally I'm digging into fixing my "New" but wounded > 1914. It's mostly torn apart but its time to start cleaning it. Its been > full > > flowed, was a new > > > case with new everything with under 1000 miles on it when it had > foreign object damage and bashed up cylinder 3 and its cylinder head. > > > > > > Thus far from what I can see the bearings look good. The oil > that came out of it after the damage looked terrible. All the pistons and > > cylinders still had > > > their cross hatching on it. Cylinder 3 has some where at the top > of it but all the ring lands are intact but they piston top is obviously >
Re: [vintagvw] The rebuild begins
Kirin, Yes, near as I can tell, metal flecks in the oil? Looks like the piston/cylinder seal was breached and metal particles were in the oil in the sump. If you haven't thrown away the filter, open it up and see what it caught. Bigger chunks in the filter screen? Take a look at your gears in the oil pump for sure. Cheers, dave On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: Morning all,Heres some photos since they are worth a thousand words. So here is a photo dump. https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45348668_10161157046835074_2735175675357954048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=c0a984fb1f3 2e2f4d3277cee46dde07d=5CEAB4AF https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51703035_10161512286945074_1593177616909598720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=f3aedea65c1 f0c74265db845a6ba7f28=5CE1D719 https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52008447_10161512287070074_6063943499202428928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=2acd3a7e2da 632c310cf047177125a2e=5CFCC63D https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51559141_10161512287165074_2895131862462627840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=75f9ac483b4 0718123c4075b2199386b=5CEF8B78 https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51689235_10161512287245074_493753829804736512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=90a4ceaecb01 63076413eef69c21f621=5CE74A40 https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51953782_10161512287320074_993443841283457024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=aa25a30f9607 745e0f6815ed1ccb87a0=5CE9F119 https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51590747_10161512287400074_4824425330670305280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=0cee3e11b9a f874379bd20f75e67e684=5CEB5303 And hopefully that helps -Kirin On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 5:29 AM Dave C. Bolen wrote: Kirin, When you say the oil looked terrible, what do you mean?...just from sitting?...condensation? If the ring lands of cylinder #3 look good and the cross hatching is still there with no flaws, you should not have any metal parts from the head or piston in your oil. I don't think I would be worried about the oil cooler or passage ways since you have an oil filter, right? I just can't think of any way that you would have metal bits in your oil unless the piston had an actual hole in it... Did I miss something? Cheers, dave On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: > Hey all,Finally I'm digging into fixing my "New" but wounded 1914. It's mostly torn apart but its time to start cleaning it. Its been full flowed, was a new > case with new everything with under 1000 miles on it when it had foreign object damage and bashed up cylinder 3 and its cylinder head. > > Thus far from what I can see the bearings look good. The oil that came out of it after the damage looked terrible. All the pistons and cylinders still had > their cross hatching on it. Cylinder 3 has some where at the top of it but all the ring lands are intact but they piston top is obviously bashed up. Right > now my plan of attack is clean the snot out of the block. Most likely I think I should replace my oil cooler. Will flush out all the oil passage ways. I'm > thinking its wise to check for clearances on the bearings even though they look good. I'm debating picking up a new set of lifters since there is some > pitting. > > Probably time for a big photo dump so you can see the damage > > Happy Friday and I'm sure there will be more questions coming form me in the near future. > > -- > Visit the VintagVW archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at
Re: [vintagvw] The rebuild begins
Carb top screw. And yes it was rich, I had fuel pressure problems(A lying gauge and a pump that was putting out 10 PSI) -Kirin On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 8:56 AM Mike Bucchino Sr wrote: > The damage doesn’t look too bad overall. Something got into both > cylinders? Can you tell what it was? Very black soot, running rich as a > bitch. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 9, 2019, at 11:16, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: > > Morning all, > Heres some photos since they are worth a thousand words. So here is a > photo dump. > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45348668_10161157046835074_2735175675357954048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=c0a984fb1f32e2f4d3277cee46dde07d=5CEAB4AF > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51703035_10161512286945074_1593177616909598720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=f3aedea65c1f0c74265db845a6ba7f28=5CE1D719 > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52008447_10161512287070074_6063943499202428928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=2acd3a7e2da632c310cf047177125a2e=5CFCC63D > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51559141_10161512287165074_2895131862462627840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=75f9ac483b40718123c4075b2199386b=5CEF8B78 > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51689235_10161512287245074_493753829804736512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=90a4ceaecb0163076413eef69c21f621=5CE74A40 > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51953782_10161512287320074_993443841283457024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=aa25a30f9607745e0f6815ed1ccb87a0=5CE9F119 > > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51590747_10161512287400074_4824425330670305280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=0cee3e11b9af874379bd20f75e67e684=5CEB5303 > > And hopefully that helps > > -Kirin > > > > On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 5:29 AM Dave C. Bolen > wrote: > >> Kirin, >> >> When you say the oil looked terrible, what do you mean?...just from >> sitting?...condensation? >> >> If the ring lands of cylinder #3 look good and the cross hatching is >> still >> there with no flaws, you should not have any metal parts from the head >> or piston in your oil. >> >> I don't think I would be worried about the oil cooler or passage ways >> since you have an oil filter, right? >> >> I just can't think of any way that you would have metal bits in your oil >> unless the piston had an actual hole in it... >> >> Did I miss something? >> >> Cheers, dave >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: >> >> > Hey all,Finally I'm digging into fixing my "New" but wounded 1914. It's >> mostly torn apart but its time to start cleaning it. Its been full flowed, >> was a new >> > case with new everything with under 1000 miles on it when it had >> foreign object damage and bashed up cylinder 3 and its cylinder head. >> > >> > Thus far from what I can see the bearings look good. The oil that came >> out of it after the damage looked terrible. All the pistons and cylinders >> still had >> > their cross hatching on it. Cylinder 3 has some where at the top of it >> but all the ring lands are intact but they piston top is obviously bashed >> up. Right >> > now my plan of attack is clean the snot out of the block. Most likely I >> think I should replace my oil cooler. Will flush out all the oil passage >> ways. I'm >> > thinking its wise to check for clearances on the bearings even though >> they look good. I'm debating picking up a new set of lifters since there is >> some >> > pitting. >> > >> > Probably time for a big photo dump so you can see the damage >> > >> > Happy Friday and I'm sure there will be more questions coming form me >> in the near future. >> > >> > -- >> > Visit the VintagVW archives at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com >> > --- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Visit the VintagVW archives at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > Visit the VintagVW archives at >
Re: [vintagvw] The rebuild begins
The damage doesn’t look too bad overall. Something got into both cylinders? Can you tell what it was? Very black soot, running rich as a bitch. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 9, 2019, at 11:16, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: > > Morning all, > Heres some photos since they are worth a thousand words. So here is a photo > dump. > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45348668_10161157046835074_2735175675357954048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=c0a984fb1f32e2f4d3277cee46dde07d=5CEAB4AF > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51703035_10161512286945074_1593177616909598720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=f3aedea65c1f0c74265db845a6ba7f28=5CE1D719 > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52008447_10161512287070074_6063943499202428928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=2acd3a7e2da632c310cf047177125a2e=5CFCC63D > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51559141_10161512287165074_2895131862462627840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=75f9ac483b40718123c4075b2199386b=5CEF8B78 > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51689235_10161512287245074_493753829804736512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=90a4ceaecb0163076413eef69c21f621=5CE74A40 > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51953782_10161512287320074_993443841283457024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=aa25a30f9607745e0f6815ed1ccb87a0=5CE9F119 > > https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51590747_10161512287400074_4824425330670305280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=0cee3e11b9af874379bd20f75e67e684=5CEB5303 > > And hopefully that helps > > -Kirin > > > >> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 5:29 AM Dave C. Bolen >> wrote: >> Kirin, >> >> When you say the oil looked terrible, what do you mean?...just from >> sitting?...condensation? >> >> If the ring lands of cylinder #3 look good and the cross hatching is still >> there with no flaws, you should not have any metal parts from the head >> or piston in your oil. >> >> I don't think I would be worried about the oil cooler or passage ways >> since you have an oil filter, right? >> >> I just can't think of any way that you would have metal bits in your oil >> unless the piston had an actual hole in it... >> >> Did I miss something? >> >> Cheers, dave >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: >> >> > Hey all,Finally I'm digging into fixing my "New" but wounded 1914. It's >> > mostly torn apart but its time to start cleaning it. Its been full flowed, >> > was a new >> > case with new everything with under 1000 miles on it when it had foreign >> > object damage and bashed up cylinder 3 and its cylinder head. >> > >> > Thus far from what I can see the bearings look good. The oil that came out >> > of it after the damage looked terrible. All the pistons and cylinders >> > still had >> > their cross hatching on it. Cylinder 3 has some where at the top of it but >> > all the ring lands are intact but they piston top is obviously bashed up. >> > Right >> > now my plan of attack is clean the snot out of the block. Most likely I >> > think I should replace my oil cooler. Will flush out all the oil passage >> > ways. I'm >> > thinking its wise to check for clearances on the bearings even though they >> > look good. I'm debating picking up a new set of lifters since there is some >> > pitting. >> > >> > Probably time for a big photo dump so you can see the damage >> > >> > Happy Friday and I'm sure there will be more questions coming form me in >> > the near future. >> > >> > -- >> > Visit the VintagVW archives at >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com >> > --- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> > email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. >> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Visit the VintagVW archives at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > Visit the VintagVW archives at > http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VintagVW - Air
Re: [vintagvw] The rebuild begins
Morning all, Heres some photos since they are worth a thousand words. So here is a photo dump. https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45348668_10161157046835074_2735175675357954048_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=c0a984fb1f32e2f4d3277cee46dde07d=5CEAB4AF https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51703035_10161512286945074_1593177616909598720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=f3aedea65c1f0c74265db845a6ba7f28=5CE1D719 https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52008447_10161512287070074_6063943499202428928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=2acd3a7e2da632c310cf047177125a2e=5CFCC63D https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51559141_10161512287165074_2895131862462627840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=75f9ac483b40718123c4075b2199386b=5CEF8B78 https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51689235_10161512287245074_493753829804736512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=90a4ceaecb0163076413eef69c21f621=5CE74A40 https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51953782_10161512287320074_993443841283457024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=aa25a30f9607745e0f6815ed1ccb87a0=5CE9F119 https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51590747_10161512287400074_4824425330670305280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna=0cee3e11b9af874379bd20f75e67e684=5CEB5303 And hopefully that helps -Kirin On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 5:29 AM Dave C. Bolen wrote: > Kirin, > > When you say the oil looked terrible, what do you mean?...just from > sitting?...condensation? > > If the ring lands of cylinder #3 look good and the cross hatching is still > there with no flaws, you should not have any metal parts from the head > or piston in your oil. > > I don't think I would be worried about the oil cooler or passage ways > since you have an oil filter, right? > > I just can't think of any way that you would have metal bits in your oil > unless the piston had an actual hole in it... > > Did I miss something? > > Cheers, dave > > > > > On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: > > > Hey all,Finally I'm digging into fixing my "New" but wounded 1914. It's > mostly torn apart but its time to start cleaning it. Its been full flowed, > was a new > > case with new everything with under 1000 miles on it when it had foreign > object damage and bashed up cylinder 3 and its cylinder head. > > > > Thus far from what I can see the bearings look good. The oil that came > out of it after the damage looked terrible. All the pistons and cylinders > still had > > their cross hatching on it. Cylinder 3 has some where at the top of it > but all the ring lands are intact but they piston top is obviously bashed > up. Right > > now my plan of attack is clean the snot out of the block. Most likely I > think I should replace my oil cooler. Will flush out all the oil passage > ways. I'm > > thinking its wise to check for clearances on the bearings even though > they look good. I'm debating picking up a new set of lifters since there is > some > > pitting. > > > > Probably time for a big photo dump so you can see the damage > > > > Happy Friday and I'm sure there will be more questions coming form me in > the near future. > > > > -- > > Visit the VintagVW archives at > http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > Visit the VintagVW archives at > http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [vintagvw] The rebuild begins
Kirin, When you say the oil looked terrible, what do you mean?...just from sitting?...condensation? If the ring lands of cylinder #3 look good and the cross hatching is still there with no flaws, you should not have any metal parts from the head or piston in your oil. I don't think I would be worried about the oil cooler or passage ways since you have an oil filter, right? I just can't think of any way that you would have metal bits in your oil unless the piston had an actual hole in it... Did I miss something? Cheers, dave On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: Hey all,Finally I'm digging into fixing my "New" but wounded 1914. It's mostly torn apart but its time to start cleaning it. Its been full flowed, was a new case with new everything with under 1000 miles on it when it had foreign object damage and bashed up cylinder 3 and its cylinder head. Thus far from what I can see the bearings look good. The oil that came out of it after the damage looked terrible. All the pistons and cylinders still had their cross hatching on it. Cylinder 3 has some where at the top of it but all the ring lands are intact but they piston top is obviously bashed up. Right now my plan of attack is clean the snot out of the block. Most likely I think I should replace my oil cooler. Will flush out all the oil passage ways. I'm thinking its wise to check for clearances on the bearings even though they look good. I'm debating picking up a new set of lifters since there is some pitting. Probably time for a big photo dump so you can see the damage Happy Friday and I'm sure there will be more questions coming form me in the near future. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [vintagvw] The rebuild begins
That’s where it sticks and collects. The sump plate and in the passages. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2019, at 21:08, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: > > Case thus far has been reasonably clean. There was a bunch of material on the > sump plate. > >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019, 3:47 PM Mike Bucchino Sr > If you find lots of metal inside your case, you’ll need to remove the oil >> galley plugs to get a proper thorough cleaning. There are some dead ends >> that can collect metal particles that could later loosen under heat and >> pressure and go directly into the bearings. BTDT. Not worth having to do >> the job all over again. >> >> Mike B >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 8, 2019, at 17:14, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: >>> >>> Hey all, >>> Finally I'm digging into fixing my "New" but wounded 1914. It's mostly torn >>> apart but its time to start cleaning it. Its been full flowed, was a new >>> case with new everything with under 1000 miles on it when it had foreign >>> object damage and bashed up cylinder 3 and its cylinder head. >>> >>> Thus far from what I can see the bearings look good. The oil that came out >>> of it after the damage looked terrible. All the pistons and cylinders still >>> had their cross hatching on it. Cylinder 3 has some where at the top of it >>> but all the ring lands are intact but they piston top is obviously bashed >>> up. Right now my plan of attack is clean the snot out of the block. Most >>> likely I think I should replace my oil cooler. Will flush out all the oil >>> passage ways. I'm thinking its wise to check for clearances on the bearings >>> even though they look good. I'm debating picking up a new set of lifters >>> since there is some pitting. >>> >>> Probably time for a big photo dump so you can see the damage >>> >>> Happy Friday and I'm sure there will be more questions coming form me in >>> the near future. >>> -- >>> Visit the VintagVW archives at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> Visit the VintagVW archives at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > Visit the VintagVW archives at > http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [vintagvw] The rebuild begins
If you find lots of metal inside your case, you’ll need to remove the oil galley plugs to get a proper thorough cleaning. There are some dead ends that can collect metal particles that could later loosen under heat and pressure and go directly into the bearings. BTDT. Not worth having to do the job all over again. Mike B Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2019, at 17:14, Kirin Jacobsen wrote: > > Hey all, > Finally I'm digging into fixing my "New" but wounded 1914. It's mostly torn > apart but its time to start cleaning it. Its been full flowed, was a new case > with new everything with under 1000 miles on it when it had foreign object > damage and bashed up cylinder 3 and its cylinder head. > > Thus far from what I can see the bearings look good. The oil that came out of > it after the damage looked terrible. All the pistons and cylinders still had > their cross hatching on it. Cylinder 3 has some where at the top of it but > all the ring lands are intact but they piston top is obviously bashed up. > Right now my plan of attack is clean the snot out of the block. Most likely I > think I should replace my oil cooler. Will flush out all the oil passage > ways. I'm thinking its wise to check for clearances on the bearings even > though they look good. I'm debating picking up a new set of lifters since > there is some pitting. > > Probably time for a big photo dump so you can see the damage > > Happy Friday and I'm sure there will be more questions coming form me in the > near future. > -- > Visit the VintagVW archives at > http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[vintagvw] The rebuild begins
Hey all, Finally I'm digging into fixing my "New" but wounded 1914. It's mostly torn apart but its time to start cleaning it. Its been full flowed, was a new case with new everything with under 1000 miles on it when it had foreign object damage and bashed up cylinder 3 and its cylinder head. Thus far from what I can see the bearings look good. The oil that came out of it after the damage looked terrible. All the pistons and cylinders still had their cross hatching on it. Cylinder 3 has some where at the top of it but all the ring lands are intact but they piston top is obviously bashed up. Right now my plan of attack is clean the snot out of the block. Most likely I think I should replace my oil cooler. Will flush out all the oil passage ways. I'm thinking its wise to check for clearances on the bearings even though they look good. I'm debating picking up a new set of lifters since there is some pitting. Probably time for a big photo dump so you can see the damage Happy Friday and I'm sure there will be more questions coming form me in the near future. -- Visit the VintagVW archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/vintagvw@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VintagVW - Air Cooled Volkswagen Discussion List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to vintagvw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to vintagvw@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/vintagvw. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
