Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hello everybody. I would like to make this discussion practical. I have chosen not to purchase a dedicated notetaker when a laptop and screen reader give me more features more timely and at a lower price. Sometimes I don't want to carry a laptop. Since Apple has built braille display support into Voiceover, I expect it to be properly implemented and to work flawlessly. I own a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 and a 16 gig iPhone 5S. I can read all day long but when I write, the BI 40 locks up and by the time I recover I've missed some notes during meetings, etc. I've tried to work with both companies. Instead of solving the problem, they are blaming each other. Since Apple has the resources and controls the environment I expect Apple to take the lead and I expect Humanware to work with Apple to resolve the issue. How can we promptly get their attention when the usual channels of communication don't work? On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Tara, yet again you are misrepresenting my comments. In saying that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company, I am not saying they shouldn't have, and I think I made that very clear. Like many people on this list, my life is enriched every day by the fact that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company. And you can find many books and blog posts I've written, as well as media interviews I've done, where I make this point. I am saying, however, that they should be held to no lesser standard than any other screen reader company. When Apple developed their own Maps app in iOS 6, this made them a navigation company. They blew it, big time, consumers objected, and Apple made a course correction. That's because, quite rightly, consumers held Apple to the same standard that they did other maps providers. Let me reiterate that I don't beleive a notetaker is the best choice in all situations. A good PC or Windows tablet will be far cheaper, and in some cases, far better, for many people. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 4:19 pm, TaraPrakash taraprak...@gmail.com wrote: All the points about the utility of Braille are well taken, Jonathan's concern about survival about Braille, and that those who know Braille are more successful in employment field is also agreeable to me (Even if I am not sure the source of this statistics that Jonathan quoted in his response addressed to me..) The problem for me is his assertion that Apple has decided to become a screen reader company etc What I read in that comment is a suggestion that Apple shouldn't have ventured in to providing screen support as there are specialists for it. That somehow the assistive technology specialist companies are doing a better job for promotion of braille than apple. So, here is my suggestion for humanware and freedom scientific who are likely to listen to Jonathan, whose work with those companies has been commendable; and these companies hardly face any resolution against them in the conventions of blindness organizations who represent the blind. Let Freedom Scientific and Humanware make the braille note takers at the same price as the price of their note takers without braille. Voice sense, voice note and Packmate without Braille display sell for around 3500. with braille option they sell close to 6500. Why that extra price for Braille? Is it acceptable at all to have these devices without braille as they are meant for the purpose of the blind and it has been established that blind are more successful if they learn braille? Even if they well their devices without Braille, is it acceptable that they charge so much extra for their Braille note takers? I would like some comments on that. Now, you may say that it's okay charge me extra but give me a better braille support but I am not sure if that will be acceptable to those who seem to speak for all of us with regard to braille. I am sorry I do not want to cause any debate about this issue on this list, but when someone linked with blindness speciality devices and software suggest that if apple has come in to screen reading support , it has to be perfect, I find myself very skeptical about the added justiification about survival of braille and literacy etc. True apple's braille support is not perfect, but it will be wrong to assume that a dedicated note taker is going to perform any better for you than an I device with a braille display. braille note takers are improving but they are not still the paragons of perfection. the makers of those devices claim that they are fully functional computers, those who have those note takers know that they are anything but. They are still slow, clunky and love to hang from time to time. I would suggest to schedule a meeting with an organization that sells these note takers, and
Re: Help needed restoring quicknav for my bluetooth keyboard on my IPad please
Hi. I've tried that. It says that quicknav is on, but then still won't let me navigate at all. Eleanor Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jun 2015, at 09:28, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Eleanor. YOu can turn quicknav on and off by pressing the left and right arrow keys together. It's a toggle, so maybe it got toggled off accidentally. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 8:10 pm, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi all Really hoping someone can help me with this, as I'm desperate for ideas. I was using my IPad last night with quicknav, and everything was going fine. All of a sudden quicknav stopped working for no reason at all/with no explanation. I tried everything to fix it (took the batteries out, re-paired it, etc etc), but with no jooy at all. I even paired the keyboard from my IPhone with the IPad to see if that would work, but as soon as it was paired the quicknav didn't function. I then paired the keyboard from my IPad to my IPhone, and the quicknav worked fine! So clearly it's not the keyboard that's at fault, but some setting or somethingg on the IPad which must have been altered/gone wrong. So was wondering if anyone had any ideas what's gone wrong on my IPad and how I can fix it?? Any help with this really would be very very much appreciated, as I want to go back to be able to using my IPad fully with my bluetooth keyboard. Thanks in advance. Eleanor Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted
Interesting that an iPhone user would complain about a proprietary connector on an iPhone list. I prefer standard connectors myself when all things are equal, but I'll put up with a proprietary connector if I like the device enough, such as my iPhone. On 06/21/2015 01:47 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello, I strongly recommend against purchasing a Plantronics Legend Bluetooth headset. A friend of mine just purchased one and I can honestly say, in my opinion, it does not hold up to the standard I have come to expect from Plantronics. Add to that the fact that the Legend uses a proprietary charging connector. The following is an excerpt from a post I sent to the list a while ago regarding my current and, might I add, favorite Bluetooth headset: [begin excerpt]: But to be quite honest, my absolute favorite model, at this point in time, for GPS navigation, podcasts, phone discussions, SMS replies etc, is my tiny little Plantronics Edge Bluetooth device. It is a one-ear headset. To me, it does not impede any ambient noise and is so light that I often forget I am wearing it. It has all of the advanced features common to all high end Bluetooth devices including the ability to pause playback of music/podcasts. It is so small that it sits in the ear but does not go into the ear canal. It does not require the use of an over-the-ear hook. It is a fabulous piece of technology. [END EXCERPT] Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted I liked my trusty Plantronics M50, but it finally died a few weeks ago. What I really liked about it was the fact that it had a power switch you could just flick to turn on and connect to the phone. I've been putting a few models through their paces and am now on the Plantronics Voyager Edge. So far, so good. I've stuck to Plantronics as they for the most part have the power switch instead of a button that has to to be pressed and held to turn on. I tried the M55 and while a lot of people say it works for them, I just was not convinced. Chooppy audio connectivity issues and it felt cheap in my hand. The Voyager Legend didn't convince me either. Especially not for the $80.00 price tag. Similar choppy audio issues with the call quality not being anything sepcial. Anyway, in short, those are my quick thoughts. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Casey Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted hi I only need a single ear piece. For talking on my phone hands free and it has to have good noise cans elation and good audio for the person to hear me when I am talking to them. I would also like it to be useable no matter what ear I would like to use it in. Do any of your have the jaw bone ones or the jabra ear pieces if so witch ones and how well do you like them? That you all ahead of time for any and all suggestions that I may get. -- Casey -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: question about earbuds
Personally, I find the newer earpods to be more comfortable than the older version. The microphone is handy as well. That said, I wish they wern't so incredibly bass heavy, had less of a peak around 500 Hurtz, and less of a role off in the treble. But what do you expect for probably pennies per unit? (grin) At 09:40 AM 6/20/2015, you wrote: Jordan, Put a small amount of crazy glue around the edge of your ear pods, then insert and leave in permanenly *smile*. OK, joking aside, it appears that some people really like thhe Apple Earpods and others don't like them at all. I assume that anatomically some ears just are not holding them in, I personally find they stay in really good for me, I can tilt my head to the side and shake it and they still won't fall out. The new ear pods definitely are a lot nicer than the original ones. I find it works best for me if I put them in with the cable pointing forward sort of horizontally and then I give them a sort of quarter turn down so the cable is pointing down. For me it almost seems that more or less screws them into my ear. I have had ear pods break on me, but I also do use them a lot and what I would call hard. I often wear them when I am doing things and sometimes I get the cable hooked on something and pull out the ear pods either from my ears or the plug out of the phone, but if you have Apple Care and they don't work any more I either go to an Apple Store if I happen to be near one or I call Apple and get a free replacement. I believe with Apple Care you get 2 free replacements and that just about pays for most of what the Apple Car plan costs.. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Norregaard Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 2:03 AM To: viphone Subject: question about earbuds Earlier, I was listening to some awesome EDM (techno) on Sirius xm radio! The Electric Daisy Carnival is live for two more nights from Vegas, but I digress. Is there a way to insert the apple earbuds in my head...so they stay in my head? My new earpods broke, but luckily I found two spair older, first generation sets. Is there a little science to putting them in your ears just the right way? I'll also ask the same question about the new earpods for newbies of iPhones...any tips? Is there one proscribed way of insertion into the ears? Jordan -- The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, you should delete this message. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized, and any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken or omitted in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --- Learn to meditate and train your brain with Muse, the first lab-grade EEG biofeedback headband for home use! -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a members post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop, then clearly we're dealing with a driver issue, and Apple writes all the drivers to talk to the various Braille displays. No matter what Braille display we're using, we're going to have the contracted input issues because they're a function of iOS. I think frustration is mounting because people have been pointing out these issues for some years now. One thing that hasn't yet been done, and in my view should be, is an Applevis campaign of the month. I've not seen such a campaign for a while now, but Applevis has gone after third-party developers who've provided a less than optimal experience for VO users. So with something as critical as our very literacy, this is an issue that warrants the site's serious attention in my opinion. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 11:31 pm, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everybody. I would like to make this discussion practical. I have chosen not to purchase a dedicated notetaker when a laptop and screen reader give me more features more timely and at a lower price. Sometimes I don't want to carry a laptop. Since Apple has built braille display support into Voiceover, I expect it to be properly implemented and to work flawlessly. I own a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 and a 16 gig iPhone 5S. I can read all day long but when I write, the BI 40 locks up and by the time I recover I've missed some notes during meetings, etc. I've tried to work with both companies. Instead of solving the problem, they are blaming each other. Since Apple has the resources and controls the environment I expect Apple to take the lead and I expect Humanware to work with Apple to resolve the issue. How can we promptly get their attention when the usual channels of communication don't work? On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Tara, yet again you are misrepresenting my comments. In saying that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company, I am not saying they shouldn't have, and I think I made that very clear. Like many people on this list, my life is enriched every day by the fact that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company. And you can find many books and blog posts I've written, as well as media interviews I've done, where I make this point. I am saying, however, that they should be held to no lesser standard than any other screen reader company. When Apple developed their own Maps app in iOS 6, this made them a navigation company. They blew it, big time, consumers objected, and Apple made a course correction. That's because, quite rightly, consumers held Apple to the same standard that they did other maps providers. Let me reiterate that I don't beleive a notetaker is the best choice in all situations. A good PC or Windows tablet will be far cheaper, and in some cases, far better, for many people. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 4:19 pm, TaraPrakash taraprak...@gmail.com wrote: All the points about the utility of Braille are well taken, Jonathan's concern about survival about Braille, and that those who know Braille are more successful in employment field is also agreeable to me (Even if I am not sure the source of this statistics that Jonathan quoted in his response addressed to me..) The problem for me is his assertion that Apple has decided to become a screen reader company etc What I read in that comment is a suggestion that Apple shouldn't have ventured in to providing screen support as there are specialists for it. That somehow the assistive technology specialist companies are doing a better job for promotion of braille than apple. So, here is my suggestion for humanware and freedom scientific who are likely to listen to Jonathan, whose work with those companies has been commendable; and these companies hardly face any resolution against them in the conventions of blindness organizations who represent the blind. Let Freedom Scientific and Humanware make the braille note takers at the same price as the price of their note takers without braille. Voice sense, voice note and Packmate without Braille display sell for around 3500. with braille option they sell close to 6500. Why that extra price for Braille? Is it acceptable at all to have these devices without braille as they are meant for the purpose of the blind and it has been established that blind are more
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
I love the focus blue personally Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2015, at 9:15 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I do agree that braille input on iOS needs work. As to locking up, though, is this only in the Humanware displays? Those who follow me probably know I strongly dislike Humanware as a company, because of out-of-date and broken features, promises they failed to deliver on, and a tendency to blame other companies for their shortcomings. For example, when I used an Apex with my iPod all the time, delete was space-d and enter was space-e. This made the enter command especially annoying, because you had to hit a special command before the Apex would pass space-e along instead of reading it as the 'exit' command. When I asked HW why they didn't use dots 7 and 8 like all the other braille displays, they blamed Apple. When I asked about the scroll wheel not being supported, they blamed Apple. When I asked why, in later versions of Keysoft, the Apex would randomly lock up and need a reset while connected to iOS, they blamed Apple. The thing is, no other display I've used or heard of has these problems, and even the Apex didn't lock up until KS9.2, if memory serves. It was working fine, then, after a Keysoft update, it wasn't. Humanware just blamed Apple, and, as far as I know, *still* hasn't fixed anything. Now I'm hearing that the Brailliant displays do the same thing, and I have to wonder if this isn't yet another Humanware quality control problem. All that to say: if it were me, I'd get a display from any company except Humanware. Yes, input needs work, and that's all Apple, but some of the AT companies aren't exactly paragons of great hardware and software. On Jun 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop, then clearly we're dealing with a driver issue, and Apple writes all the drivers to talk to the various Braille displays. No matter what Braille display we're using, we're going to have the contracted input issues because they're a function of iOS. I think frustration is mounting because people have been pointing out these issues for some years now. One thing that hasn't yet been done, and in my view should be, is an Applevis campaign of the month. I've not seen such a campaign for a while now, but Applevis has gone after third-party developers who've provided a less than optimal experience for VO users. So with something as critical as our very literacy, this is an issue that warrants the site's serious attention in my opinion. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 11:31 pm, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everybody. I would like to make this discussion practical. I have chosen not to purchase a dedicated notetaker when a laptop and screen reader give me more features more timely and at a lower price. Sometimes I don't want to carry a laptop. Since Apple has built braille display support into Voiceover, I expect it to be properly implemented and to work flawlessly. I own a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 and a 16 gig iPhone 5S. I can read all day long but when I write, the BI 40 locks up and by the time I recover I've missed some notes during meetings, etc. I've tried to work with both companies. Instead of solving the problem, they are blaming each other. Since Apple has the resources and controls the environment I expect Apple to take the lead and I expect Humanware to work with Apple to resolve the issue. How can we promptly get their attention when the usual channels of communication don't work? On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Tara, yet again you are misrepresenting my comments. In saying that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company, I am not saying they shouldn't have, and I think I made that very clear. Like many people on this list, my life is enriched every day by the fact that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company. And you can find many books and blog posts I've written, as well as media interviews I've done, where I make this point. I am saying, however, that they should be held to no lesser standard than any other screen reader company. When Apple developed their own Maps app in iOS 6, this made them a navigation company. They blew it, big time, consumers objected, and Apple made a course correction. That's because, quite rightly, consumers held Apple to the same standard that they did other maps
Re: ATTENTION OF JONATHAN MOSEN - How to Turn Off Split Screen Feature on iPhone 6 Plus
That is the very reason that I commented on Jonathan's recent post! I saw it too! Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 20 Jun 2015, at 7:50 pm, Matthew Bullis matthewbulli...@gmail.com wrote: Funny you should mention this, because the newsletter I get, the iPhone tip of the day, has this tip today. Here's what they say. Their web site is www.iPhoneLife.com Tip of the Day: How to Turn Off Split Screen Feature on iPhone 6 Plus The iPhone 6 Plus with its 5.5-inch display gives you a lot more viewing space. And Apple engineered iOS 8 to take advantage of that extra space by giving the device a split-screen feature in apps such as Messages, Mail, and Calendar. In Mail, for example, when you're in landscape mode, you'll see the list of messages on the left and the text of a selected message in the space at right. However, you may prefer not to have this feature enabled, especially if you'd like to use the extra screen space to make the text larger. You can disable the spilt screen by enabling Display Zoom. Go to Settings Display Brightness View. Next, select Zoomed, and then tap Set. You'll see a message informing you that changing display zoom will restart your iPhone. Press Use Zoomed. Once your iPhone has restarted you should no longer see the split screen in your apps. Instead you will see one big window when you hold your 6 Plus horizontally in apps which have a special view in landscape mode, such as Mail, Messages, and Notes. Keep in mind that you will also lose other features like the landscape-oriented home screen and the extra buttons on your keyboards. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi, Tempted to chime in here: i learnt Braille in my secondary school education and then didn't really use it again until i sat my finals of my degree and then, not again until I did a degree in Italian, in my late fifties, just for the craic! I have obtained other degrees etc apart from these, but I didn't use braille for them. What I am trying to say here is this, Braille has been dying with the influence of the screen-reader, plus the tendency of educational authorities to use less qualified teaching assistants who could teach braille, encouraging the use of the voice rather than the letter. For this reason, Braille has been dying. However, now that we have refreshable Braille, things can change, but not unless the price seriously drops. Jonathan, you quote a drop of, perhaps, 50 percent, however, I must say that this simply won't do. This does not answer, if we want to reinvigorate braille. Like many others, I have been watching and waiting for the Polymer, full page, refreshable braille display. It seems to me that were this a mainstream initiative, it would already exist and would cost a few quid, but this is research based and as such, is just not happening, even though it is so, so close! As far as all the talk of different types of braille coding, I think most of us can weather that particular storm, we can adjust, but we cannot manufacture money where it doesn't exist! I am not speaking directly to you or anyone here, I am just so frustrated, I want to make a serious study of Dante in the original Italian, with the ability to see the lines and read, not only along them, but also down them vertically, not doable without that illusive polymer display!!! Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jun 2015, at 22:00, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Tara, if you're referring to my comments in this thread, you are misrepresenting them. I didn't say that it was Apple's responsibility to keep Braille alive. However I did say that just as in every other product category, it is Apple's responsibility to provide a product that is fit for purpose and we should accept nothing less. It's no different from, say, Apple entering the Chinese market without properly understanding how Chinese characters need to be written optimally. When they don't provide a product that is fit for purpose, those of us who know it isn't mustn't remain silent. Let's be absolutely clear what's at steak here. Employment, opportunity, and literacy. In the United States, it's estimated that around 70% of working-aged blind people don't have a job. Yet 90% of Braille readers who want a job, have a job. Why? Because Braille is the only true full literacy tool we have. It's the only way we can write something down, and read back what we've written. By that, I mean that we can interact with symbols and have our brain decode them as a sighted person does, as opposed to having a machine read back to us what we've written. Without Braille, I may not have held, or would certainly have been far less effective in every job I've done. I wouldn't have been able to read all seven Harry Potter books, and many others, to my kids with a fluency that kept them interested. And I would have a far lesser appreciation of how things should be physically laid out and formatted, which is important if one's work is to be taken seriously. The Braille crisis is also acknowledged by the National Federation of the Blind in the United States, the Royal national Institute of Blind People in the United Kingdom, and the World Blind Union as a whole, none of whom have any particular assistive technology axe to grind. Perhaps some blind people who get into assistive technology do so because they want to get off the sidelines and make a positive difference, One of the reasons why I moved from technology journalism and accepted an offer to get involved in the production of assistive technology in the first place was to put Braille in the hands of more people. As someone who has chaired New Zealand's blindness agency, and consumer movement, it's something about which I feel absolutely passionate. I've been proud to have played a part in drastically reducing the cost of refreshable Braille. When I entered the industry in 2003, a 40 cell Braille display, with no note taking functions, was well over 5,000 2003 dollars. Now you can get one for 2700 2015 dollars and the price needs to go lower still. So yes, I am passionate to my very core about Braille and the employment, dignity, independence and opportunity it affords. And we as blind people have a responsibility to let purchasers, who may not have to live with the consequences of their decisions, know that Apple are not yet delivering in the area of contracted Braille input, for all the good they have done elsewhere. And rather than defend the notetaker paradigm, as I indicated in my blog
Braille display with iPhone, using the at symbol
If somebody is using a Braille display with an iPhone, is there any way to use the @ (at) symbol without switching to uncontracted Braille? This symbol is needed to type email addresses or tag people on FaceBook. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Help needed restoring quicknav for my bluetooth keyboard on my IPad please
Hi all Thanks so much for all your help/advice with this. I wound up having to get sighted assistance, switching voiceover off, then completely resetting the IPad and switching voiceover back on again. I then re-paired my keyboard. Since doing that so far, touch wood, quicknav seems to be working. But really, what a process to go through, and couldn't have done it without sighted help! Really hope Apple make bluetooth keyboards etc even more stable with the next IOS update! Thanks so much again for all your help. Eleanor Sent from my iPad On 21 Jun 2015, at 12:47, TaraPrakash taraprak...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe this time turn off your iPad and turn it back on probably it works Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2015, at 7:32 AM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi. I've tried that. It says that quicknav is on, but then still won't let me navigate at all. Eleanor Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jun 2015, at 09:28, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Eleanor. YOu can turn quicknav on and off by pressing the left and right arrow keys together. It's a toggle, so maybe it got toggled off accidentally. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 8:10 pm, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi all Really hoping someone can help me with this, as I'm desperate for ideas. I was using my IPad last night with quicknav, and everything was going fine. All of a sudden quicknav stopped working for no reason at all/with no explanation. I tried everything to fix it (took the batteries out, re-paired it, etc etc), but with no jooy at all. I even paired the keyboard from my IPhone with the IPad to see if that would work, but as soon as it was paired the quicknav didn't function. I then paired the keyboard from my IPad to my IPhone, and the quicknav worked fine! So clearly it's not the keyboard that's at fault, but some setting or somethingg on the IPad which must have been altered/gone wrong. So was wondering if anyone had any ideas what's gone wrong on my IPad and how I can fix it?? Any help with this really would be very very much appreciated, as I want to go back to be able to using my IPad fully with my bluetooth keyboard. Thanks in advance. Eleanor Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
I do agree that braille input on iOS needs work. As to locking up, though, is this only in the Humanware displays? Those who follow me probably know I strongly dislike Humanware as a company, because of out-of-date and broken features, promises they failed to deliver on, and a tendency to blame other companies for their shortcomings. For example, when I used an Apex with my iPod all the time, delete was space-d and enter was space-e. This made the enter command especially annoying, because you had to hit a special command before the Apex would pass space-e along instead of reading it as the 'exit' command. When I asked HW why they didn't use dots 7 and 8 like all the other braille displays, they blamed Apple. When I asked about the scroll wheel not being supported, they blamed Apple. When I asked why, in later versions of Keysoft, the Apex would randomly lock up and need a reset while connected to iOS, they blamed Apple. The thing is, no other display I've used or heard of has these problems, and even the Apex didn't lock up until KS9.2, if memory serves. It was working fine, then, after a Keysoft update, it wasn't. Humanware just blamed Apple, and, as far as I know, *still* hasn't fixed anything. Now I'm hearing that the Brailliant displays do the same thing, and I have to wonder if this isn't yet another Humanware quality control problem. All that to say: if it were me, I'd get a display from any company except Humanware. Yes, input needs work, and that's all Apple, but some of the AT companies aren't exactly paragons of great hardware and software. On Jun 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop, then clearly we're dealing with a driver issue, and Apple writes all the drivers to talk to the various Braille displays. No matter what Braille display we're using, we're going to have the contracted input issues because they're a function of iOS. I think frustration is mounting because people have been pointing out these issues for some years now. One thing that hasn't yet been done, and in my view should be, is an Applevis campaign of the month. I've not seen such a campaign for a while now, but Applevis has gone after third-party developers who've provided a less than optimal experience for VO users. So with something as critical as our very literacy, this is an issue that warrants the site's serious attention in my opinion. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 21/06/2015, at 11:31 pm, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net mailto:prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everybody. I would like to make this discussion practical. I have chosen not to purchase a dedicated notetaker when a laptop and screen reader give me more features more timely and at a lower price. Sometimes I don't want to carry a laptop. Since Apple has built braille display support into Voiceover, I expect it to be properly implemented and to work flawlessly. I own a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 and a 16 gig iPhone 5S. I can read all day long but when I write, the BI 40 locks up and by the time I recover I've missed some notes during meetings, etc. I've tried to work with both companies. Instead of solving the problem, they are blaming each other. Since Apple has the resources and controls the environment I expect Apple to take the lead and I expect Humanware to work with Apple to resolve the issue. How can we promptly get their attention when the usual channels of communication don't work? On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Tara, yet again you are misrepresenting my comments. In saying that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company, I am not saying they shouldn't have, and I think I made that very clear. Like many people on this list, my life is enriched every day by the fact that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company. And you can find many books and blog posts I've written, as well as media interviews I've done, where I make this point. I am saying, however, that they should be held to no lesser standard than any other screen reader company. When Apple developed their own Maps app in iOS 6, this made them a navigation company. They blew it, big time, consumers objected, and Apple made a course correction. That's because, quite rightly, consumers held Apple to the same standard that they did other maps providers. Let me reiterate that I don't beleive a notetaker is the best choice
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Re: Composing messages using my iPad
Use a single finger double tap to move the cursor to either the beginning, or the end, of the edit area. The gesture switches between both ends. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 22 Jun 2015, at 04:10, Wendy Alling wendall...@comcast.net wrote: Hi everyone, Whenever I compose a message using my iPad my signature is always at the top of my message. How do I fix this so my signature is at the bottom of my message? Wendy -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Look for the caveat regarding the U2 at the end of my post. It will be below the answer to your last question. - Original Message - From: Joe To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 5:24 PM Subject: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Hi, I'm curious to hear from people who have replaced their Braille notetaker with an iDevice. I've been toying with the idea of investing in a U2 for reading books, taking notes and performing similar quick tasks. Questions: 1. I've heard there are displays that let you type text and then send to the iDevice in one burst. I don't understand the mechanics of this, but what are the displays you know that do this? I think you are referring to Bluetooth; where the display is paired with the iPhone. Braillesense U2, U2Mini, 18-cell model; Humanware Braillenote Apex 18 and 32-cell models; Baum VarioUltra, 20-cell and 40-cell models, these have the distinction of ability to connect to four devices simultaneously; Freedom Scientific Focus 14 and 40 cell models; APH Refresh-a-Braille 18-cell model; BraillePen 12-cell model. I do not have personal experience with the APH or the BraillePen. I have seen some negative reviews of the Braille Pen though. 2. Is Braille input in iOS as dreadful as some people have made it out to be? I don't mind learning various keystrokes, but I do mind delays in transmition. In my experience, no. There will be a slight delay--probably less than a second. 3. Is there a means to read BRF in iOS? Yes, NLS Bard will read .brf titles. Other options would be AccessNote from AFB, or renaming the .brf file to a .txt and importing it into the iPhone with Dropbox. 4. What 32-cell display would you personally recommend? Since each display has its own feature set and command distinctions, I am hesitant to recommend one over another. A lot of it could be personal preference. I am hesitant to recommend the HIMS models at this time; look on their listserv and note that many people are having difficulties with the latest release of their software causing the notetaker to become almost non-functional. You need to do hard resets and re-install the software. After you do that, it works for awhile and then the problems re-occur. This is with there software version 8.2, build release April 27, 2015. My wife has been in communication and HIMS USA is aware of the problem, but it is uncertain when a corrected release will be issued by the powers that be in South Korea. But, there are a lot of users who aren't happy particularly if they use it as a GPS device and are in the middle of a rooute when it locks up; or people relying on it for work or college. I am an Apex user. In my view, I like the feature set of the HIMS products better and the interface makes more sense to me because it is more like working with Windows. But, dot quality for reading Braille is better on the Humanware products; and whereas my wife has had to have her unit serviced several times for cell failure; my Apex is going strong after five years with no repairs. Steve Lansing, MI Thanks guys for any help. Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
backing up and restoring books in Voice Dream Reader
Greetings, all. I’m wondering if someone can give me instructions on exactly how to back up and restore data from the Voice Dream Reader app. There has been some talk of a database file that may or may not be necessary, and I don’t want to back it up incorrectly, causing me to lose a pretty large number of books once I delete the app. Thanks in advance, and I’m sorry if this is something super obvious that I’m simply failing to understand. Shannon -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
albums in a list in iTunes?
Okay, I was able to get my 3500 movies in to a list view, instead of a grid view in iTunes. WAs even able to do it for my TV shows. But how do I get the list of albums to show up in a list view, instead of the grid view? Or is this only possible when I go by artist? Thanks. Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV? New user and want quick efficient answers? Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute? Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always patient with you. Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple https://twitter.com/PealTheApple And ask your question there. All are welcome! -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Calendar events in different timezones
Hi Wayne, I don't use Fantastical 2 but last year when I set up NFB convention events in Outlook, I mistakenly set them with their actual eastern timezone times even though I'm also located in the central timezone. When I got to Orlando for the convention, all the event times were automatically advanced by an hour to reflect eastern time. I don't know what setting I could have changed to avoid this if any but if I make any appointments in Outlook for this year's convention, I'm going to use central time and record them an hour earlier than scheduled. I have a hard time wrapping my brain around how Outlook handles this timezone stuff and I wish I could set it to assume the times entered were for the timezone where the event is held. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Merritt Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:50 PM To: viphone Subject: Calendar events in different timezones All, I asked this question a few months ago, but want to make sure I understand everything once again. I am going to Orlando for the NFB national convention in a couple of weeks. I live in the Central timezone. However, since I am scheduling a few appointments using Fantastical 2 which happen in Florida, I want to make sure my times and appointments will not get all messed up when I get to Florida. I have timezone support on my phone turned on, so does that mean that when I go from Central to Eastern that my appointments will automatically adjust the time or will they stay at the same time? I find this whole issue of changing timezones very confusing so could someone please explain simply and put me at ease. Thanks, Wayne -- Follow me on Twitter at: www.twitter.com/wcmerritt My websites: www.wayneism.com www.whitecaneday.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Sadly, the cost of each braille cell is very expensive so the companies must pass that cost on to the people who purchase their products. There is some work taking place to develop less expensive braille cells but I don't know how soon those are expected to be sold. On 6/21/15, TaraPrakash taraprak...@gmail.com wrote: All the points about the utility of Braille are well taken, Jonathan's concern about survival about Braille, and that those who know Braille are more successful in employment field is also agreeable to me (Even if I am not sure the source of this statistics that Jonathan quoted in his response addressed to me..) The problem for me is his assertion that Apple has decided to become a screen reader company etc What I read in that comment is a suggestion that Apple shouldn't have ventured in to providing screen support as there are specialists for it. That somehow the assistive technology specialist companies are doing a better job for promotion of braille than apple. So, here is my suggestion for humanware and freedom scientific who are likely to listen to Jonathan, whose work with those companies has been commendable; and these companies hardly face any resolution against them in the conventions of blindness organizations who represent the blind. Let Freedom Scientific and Humanware make the braille note takers at the same price as the price of their note takers without braille. Voice sense, voice note and Packmate without Braille display sell for around 3500. with braille option they sell close to 6500. Why that extra price for Braille? Is it acceptable at all to have these devices without braille as they are meant for the purpose of the blind and it has been established that blind are more successful if they learn braille? Even if they well their devices without Braille, is it acceptable that they charge so much extra for their Braille note takers? I would like some comments on that. Now, you may say that it's okay charge me extra but give me a better braille support but I am not sure if that will be acceptable to those who seem to speak for all of us with regard to braille. I am sorry I do not want to cause any debate about this issue on this list, but when someone linked with blindness speciality devices and software suggest that if apple has come in to screen reading support , it has to be perfect, I find myself very skeptical about the added justiification about survival of braille and literacy etc. True apple's braille support is not perfect, but it will be wrong to assume that a dedicated note taker is going to perform any better for you than an I device with a braille display. braille note takers are improving but they are not still the paragons of perfection. the makers of those devices claim that they are fully functional computers, those who have those note takers know that they are anything but. They are still slow, clunky and love to hang from time to time. I would suggest to schedule a meeting with an organization that sells these note takers, and work on them for an hour or so. make sure to try their web browser, and their capacity to play large books. and then decide about purchasing a dedicated note taker. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2015, at 10:29 PM, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Sometimes I wonder if just because we ask Apple to provide better Braille display support, people think we are unnecessarily critical of Apple. I am forever grateful to Apple for building in accessibility to all of its products. What Apple has done over the last six years is positively wonderful. I never thought I’d be able to do so many things with a visual device, and pay the same price as everyone else. But that does not mean that blind people cannot and should not point out a flaw and demand better in a product. I listen to other podcasts having nothing to do with accessibility and Apple, and the sighted community is not hesitant to say when something needs to work better. If one of the screen reader companies fails to provide proper Braille display support in Windows, those of us, who use Windows are all over the company. Requesting good Braille input and output on an Apple device is not a ridiculous one. apple is the only one who can make the braille display support better. I don’t know if Apple cannot or will not make the Braille experience better. But voiceover belongs to apple, and I applaude those who are willing to stand up and ask for better. Jonathan talks about the children all of the time. But blind adults need to be literate as well. Perhaps people have their own reasons for wanting to simply rely on speech output. but I know there are times when people who cannot see well enough to read the screen need to use Braille. If someone has a hearing impairment in addition to blindness, then a Braille display with an Apple device may be essential to using the device. Also,
Re: Braille display with iPhone, using the at symbol
As far as I know, @ is dot 4 followed by dot 1. On Jun 21, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: If somebody is using a Braille display with an iPhone, is there any way to use the @ (at) symbol without switching to uncontracted Braille? This symbol is needed to type email addresses or tag people on FaceBook. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi David. I will have to disagree with you here. I am as I am sure you know danish. We have never had contracted braille in jaws, but we have 8 dots braille/computerbraille. I agree that we can easily type in computerbraille, and it would probably be the best thing to do, also to keep your spelling in good shape, but when you are reading, I feel that contracted braille really is a big advantage. I also see it on the mac and IPhone, it helps me a lot that I can get the output in contracted braille, I really feel that the great thing with IPhone and braille display is that you can type in e.g. 8dots mode/computermode and you can read the output in contracted braille, this is where I feel braille on IPhone works better than on notetakers. In my experience the output contracted mode is a major step forward there are bugs yes I know, but it also a great thing for people with smaller display. I have always thought long displays are better, but I am considering that it maybe in many ways would be better with shorter displays, but if you have a shorter display contracted braille as output is a major advantage. I agree with Jonathan that braille could be much better in IOS. In fact I have some questions for you english speaking users, but that will be in a later mail. Best regards Annie. Den 20/06/2015 kl. 11.35 skrev David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com: Jonathan, I respectfully disagree with you about braille. Contracted braille is like print shorthand. It became mainstream because braille is so large on paper, so it was developed to drastically reduce the footprint of braille. Now that we have electronic braille, we should be learning and teaching computer braille rather than noncontracted and contracted literary braille. This would give us blind people parity with sighted people. We would not need to rely, in any way, on contracted braille translators which cause much complications with computer interfaces. A few years ago, the AFB published a study where some blind children were taught using computer braille. There was no difference in learning or information retention between those children and children who are taught using contracted literary braille. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jun 2015, at 17:31, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without appropriately robust Braille input being available. As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen reader company. They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be counted. There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms of the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a better bet than a notetaker. And some adults may well be confident enough in their Braille skills to work around the shortcomings in Apple's Braille input. What really concerns me though is the kids, and in this case I believe notetakers will have a place unless and until Apple get it together when it comes to Braille input. I am pasting below a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago called The Apple Braille Crisis, it's got to be fixed for the kids. While some minor changes were made in iOS 8, it is mostly still relevant. Here it is. People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy. As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish. Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Alex. It is so frustrating that the brailliant looses the contact to the phone when writing, it has become better in the last firmware update, but the problem is still present. The display is a really great display, and in my opinion one of the best except for that bug. It would be great if it could be fixed. Best regards Annie. Den 21/06/2015 kl. 16.15 skrev Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com: I do agree that braille input on iOS needs work. As to locking up, though, is this only in the Humanware displays? Those who follow me probably know I strongly dislike Humanware as a company, because of out-of-date and broken features, promises they failed to deliver on, and a tendency to blame other companies for their shortcomings. For example, when I used an Apex with my iPod all the time, delete was space-d and enter was space-e. This made the enter command especially annoying, because you had to hit a special command before the Apex would pass space-e along instead of reading it as the 'exit' command. When I asked HW why they didn't use dots 7 and 8 like all the other braille displays, they blamed Apple. When I asked about the scroll wheel not being supported, they blamed Apple. When I asked why, in later versions of Keysoft, the Apex would randomly lock up and need a reset while connected to iOS, they blamed Apple. The thing is, no other display I've used or heard of has these problems, and even the Apex didn't lock up until KS9.2, if memory serves. It was working fine, then, after a Keysoft update, it wasn't. Humanware just blamed Apple, and, as far as I know, *still* hasn't fixed anything. Now I'm hearing that the Brailliant displays do the same thing, and I have to wonder if this isn't yet another Humanware quality control problem. All that to say: if it were me, I'd get a display from any company except Humanware. Yes, input needs work, and that's all Apple, but some of the AT companies aren't exactly paragons of great hardware and software. On Jun 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop, then clearly we're dealing with a driver issue, and Apple writes all the drivers to talk to the various Braille displays. No matter what Braille display we're using, we're going to have the contracted input issues because they're a function of iOS. I think frustration is mounting because people have been pointing out these issues for some years now. One thing that hasn't yet been done, and in my view should be, is an Applevis campaign of the month. I've not seen such a campaign for a while now, but Applevis has gone after third-party developers who've provided a less than optimal experience for VO users. So with something as critical as our very literacy, this is an issue that warrants the site's serious attention in my opinion. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 21/06/2015, at 11:31 pm, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net mailto:prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everybody. I would like to make this discussion practical. I have chosen not to purchase a dedicated notetaker when a laptop and screen reader give me more features more timely and at a lower price. Sometimes I don't want to carry a laptop. Since Apple has built braille display support into Voiceover, I expect it to be properly implemented and to work flawlessly. I own a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 and a 16 gig iPhone 5S. I can read all day long but when I write, the BI 40 locks up and by the time I recover I've missed some notes during meetings, etc. I've tried to work with both companies. Instead of solving the problem, they are blaming each other. Since Apple has the resources and controls the environment I expect Apple to take the lead and I expect Humanware to work with Apple to resolve the issue. How can we promptly get their attention when the usual channels of communication don't work? On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Tara, yet again you are misrepresenting my comments. In saying that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company, I am not saying they shouldn't have, and I think I made that very clear. Like many people on this list, my life is enriched every day by the fact that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company. And you can find many books and blog posts I've written, as well as media interviews I've done, where I make this point. I am
Re: My speaker phone and speaker quality
I'm surprised so many manufacturers of cases for the iPhone 4S would have gotten this wrong. My only experience with an iPhone 4S case didn't have this problem. It's a good suggestion to try to rule it out though. I don't recommend powering your phone on and off each day. I know some people recommend this because they think this clears out the phone's memory and keeps it running smoothly, but I find this unnecessary. Any reputable operating system developer, like Apple, will manage it's memory and resources so this isn't necessary. It doesn't do any harm though, so if you want to do this, there's no reason not to, other than it's just an unnecessary way to spend your time, and I would doubt it would help fix this problem. Of course, if your phone is acting squrly then by all means power it off and power it back on again, after clearing out the App Switcher, but I go weeks without having to do this on my 4S. I assume we're talking about the phone going to speaker phone when you're on a call. Make sure you keep the phone near your face so the proximity sensor knows you're holding the phone to your ear and not pulling it away. It's possible your proximity sensor has developed an issue, so a trip to your Apple store might be in order. On 06/21/2015 01:58 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Teri, Is your 4 S in a phone case? If so, I strongly suggest that you remove it from the case and see what happens. Many of the cases made for the 4 / 4 S were not designed correctly and, consequently, caused the problems that you described. Also, make sure that you restart the phone at least once a day. Good Luck, Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of princessterr...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My speaker phone and speaker quality Hello everyone, I have some questions about my phones speaker. I am hoping someone can help me. First of all why does my phone go to the speaker so much? Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening? It really drives me crazy! By the way I have a 4s. Also when my phone does go to speaker, I am told that the sound is muffled. I am told that I sound like I am in a hole. Is there a way to fix this? Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you, Terri Sent from my iPhone -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: ATTENTION OF JONATHAN MOSEN - How to Turn Off Split Screen Feature on iPhone 6 Plus
Hi Carol, yes, if you lock the orientation to portrait, when you use Braille Screen Input, mBraille or play a video, the phone will still go into landscape etc. It's really no different from locking orientation on an older phone. There is an extra row of keys in landscape mode on the 6 Plus including fullstop and some arrow keys, nothing critical. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 22/06/2015, at 5:42 am, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Okay, Jonathan, I understand now! I still am interested to know the answer to the questions I raised. Anyone know? Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 20 Jun 2015, at 10:02 pm, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Carol, when i raised this, it related to the iPad, not the 6 Plus, which I use in portrait mode and thus without the split screen. There is no way to do this on the iPad. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 21/06/2015, at 6:30 am, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com mailto:carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: \HI ALL, Of course I want you all to see and respond to this ... but would welcome Jonathan's input specifically after I think I saw a message a little while back about his wanting to use mail without the split screen. I see from a recent tip (subject of this message) that this can be done but, in reading the full text of the tip, it looks like you do lose the use of some buttons and the landscape Home screen. My questions are: 1)Can you easily still get into the landscape screen when using something like mBraille? and 2What buttons (and in which programmes and context) do you lose by altering the above? Jonathan, why didn't you want to use this method so that you could read your mail that way? Oh, apologies if I have remembered your post incorrectly, by the way. If so, please just let me know that this was the case! I'm definitely changing my phone soon and, if there's not a newer model which is the size of the 5 or 4S, I want to be sure about the 6 as an option. I don't like such a big phone and, like Jonathan, wouldn't really want to have the two columns available in reading mail. Thanks for any clarification and/or further comments on this. Carol P -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate,
Re: Composing messages using my iPad
Hi, you need to double tap the insertion point to make sure that it is at the start of a message. If you don't have it and says insertion point and, that means that it's down past your signature and that's where to start writing if you double tap again and it says it start. Then it won't right at the bottom. Joseph Hudson I device support Email jhud7...@gmail.com mailto:jhud7...@gmail.com Face time and iMessage jhud7...@yahoo.com mailto:jhud7...@yahoo.com Office phone 641-715-3900 x34315 Emergency line 641-715-3900 x5887652 Skype joseph.hudson89 On Jun 21, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Wendy Alling wendall...@comcast.net wrote: Hi everyone, Whenever I compose a message using my iPad my signature is always at the top of my message. How do I fix this so my signature is at the bottom of my message? Wendy -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: ATTENTION OF JONATHAN MOSEN - How to Turn Off Split Screen Feature on iPhone 6 Plus
Okay, Jonathan, I understand now! I still am interested to know the answer to the questions I raised. Anyone know? Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 20 Jun 2015, at 10:02 pm, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Carol, when i raised this, it related to the iPad, not the 6 Plus, which I use in portrait mode and thus without the split screen. There is no way to do this on the iPad. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 6:30 am, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: \HI ALL, Of course I want you all to see and respond to this ... but would welcome Jonathan's input specifically after I think I saw a message a little while back about his wanting to use mail without the split screen. I see from a recent tip (subject of this message) that this can be done but, in reading the full text of the tip, it looks like you do lose the use of some buttons and the landscape Home screen. My questions are: 1)Can you easily still get into the landscape screen when using something like mBraille? and 2What buttons (and in which programmes and context) do you lose by altering the above? Jonathan, why didn't you want to use this method so that you could read your mail that way? Oh, apologies if I have remembered your post incorrectly, by the way. If so, please just let me know that this was the case! I'm definitely changing my phone soon and, if there's not a newer model which is the size of the 5 or 4S, I want to be sure about the 6 as an option. I don't like such a big phone and, like Jonathan, wouldn't really want to have the two columns available in reading mail. Thanks for any clarification and/or further comments on this. Carol P -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing
yes, Just use Siri! At 10:34 PM 6/19/2015, you wrote: Hi, Do you know about an app for iPhone that is accessible with voice over, that tell wich song and artis playing on radio? Take care -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --- Learn to meditate and train your brain with Muse, the first lab-grade EEG biofeedback headband for home use! -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a members post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Help needed restoring quicknav for my bluetooth keyboard on my IPad please
Maybe this time turn off your iPad and turn it back on probably it works Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2015, at 7:32 AM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi. I've tried that. It says that quicknav is on, but then still won't let me navigate at all. Eleanor Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jun 2015, at 09:28, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Eleanor. YOu can turn quicknav on and off by pressing the left and right arrow keys together. It's a toggle, so maybe it got toggled off accidentally. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 8:10 pm, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi all Really hoping someone can help me with this, as I'm desperate for ideas. I was using my IPad last night with quicknav, and everything was going fine. All of a sudden quicknav stopped working for no reason at all/with no explanation. I tried everything to fix it (took the batteries out, re-paired it, etc etc), but with no jooy at all. I even paired the keyboard from my IPhone with the IPad to see if that would work, but as soon as it was paired the quicknav didn't function. I then paired the keyboard from my IPad to my IPhone, and the quicknav worked fine! So clearly it's not the keyboard that's at fault, but some setting or somethingg on the IPad which must have been altered/gone wrong. So was wondering if anyone had any ideas what's gone wrong on my IPad and how I can fix it?? Any help with this really would be very very much appreciated, as I want to go back to be able to using my IPad fully with my bluetooth keyboard. Thanks in advance. Eleanor Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Joe, part of the reason we are switching to UEB is so that it can better respond to changes in print that have occurred rapidly since we began using computers. In theory, this should make it easier for Apple to follow UEB rules in their computers and devices. On 6/21/15, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: It does. I've almost been thinking of going back to the regular English braille instead of UEB just because it takes up less room. I hope Apple doesn't take out that option. Though they may, considering that everyone has switched to it by the time IOS 9 comes out. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Agreed; contracted braille is really important to me when I have to read it. It's faster and, vitally in today's market of tiny cell counts, more fits on one line. The OP asked specifically about 32-cell units, and if you think about it, even those are quite small compared to what a sighted person can see on an iPhone's screen. The more that can fit, the better. I love UEB for removing the ambiguities, but the trade-off is that it takes up more room, especially as you start using it for math or science. On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi David. I think this is a separate issue from what we are discussing. I disagree with you because as someone who must read a lot for public presentations and audio production work, I find contracted Braille helps me process information much more quickly than uncontracted Braille. That's important for fluency. But it's an interesting discussion. UEB has significantly reduced translation ambiguities. In the end though, this is a decision for blind people to make. Braille belongs to us. We should not be forced to alter our practices due to a single company's inability or unwillingness to get their Braille implementation right. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 20/06/2015, at 9:35 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, I respectfully disagree with you about braille. Contracted braille is like print shorthand. It became mainstream because braille is so large on paper, so it was developed to drastically reduce the footprint of braille. Now that we have electronic braille, we should be learning and teaching computer braille rather than noncontracted and contracted literary braille. This would give us blind people parity with sighted people. We would not need to rely, in any way, on contracted braille translators which cause much complications with computer interfaces. A few years ago, the AFB published a study where some blind children were taught using computer braille. There was no difference in learning or information retention between those children and children who are taught using contracted literary braille. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jun 2015, at 17:31, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without appropriately robust Braille input being available. As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen reader company. They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be counted. There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms of the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a better bet than a notetaker. And some adults may well be confident enough in their Braille skills to work around the shortcomings in Apple's Braille input. What really concerns me though is the kids, and in this case I believe notetakers will have a place unless and until Apple get it together when it comes to Braille input. I am pasting below a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago called The Apple Braille Crisis, it's got to be fixed for the
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
That's precisely the point. HW and FS will be the biggest losers if braille displays would work with ios devices. Who would buy the dedicated note takers then? They have to keep this nagging problem alive. Those who have some voice, we all have a voice but not significant enough to be heard, but those who are heard, are very unlikely to question the motives of these speciality devices. I agree hw has been very misleading, and FS less than responsive about these issues. Someone earlier in the thread argued that because apple controls the environment they must do something about it. The question is whether HW has the will to have it resolved. I recently was told by a learned lister about a bluetooth keyboard that doesn't work with voiceover. He suggested I choose logitech keys to go? the point I am making is that there are some keyboards that work nicely whereas others do not. Does apple make different drivers for different keyboards? If we don't blame apple for some bluetooth keyboards not working with IOS devices, why dod we do that in the case of braille displays? Let us keep putting pressure on apple so that they do not let their support for accessibility go down, and as Jonathan suggested we can't let them off the hook, but we can't absolve these assistive devices producers either and allow them to become complacent. They have a habbit of keeping big blindnesss organizations happy by supporting their conventions and stay friendly to people in rehab agencies. We shouldn't let them become complacent and let them take us for granted and put pressure to listen to us on them as well. . Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I do agree that braille input on iOS needs work. As to locking up, though, is this only in the Humanware displays? Those who follow me probably know I strongly dislike Humanware as a company, because of out-of-date and broken features, promises they failed to deliver on, and a tendency to blame other companies for their shortcomings. For example, when I used an Apex with my iPod all the time, delete was space-d and enter was space-e. This made the enter command especially annoying, because you had to hit a special command before the Apex would pass space-e along instead of reading it as the 'exit' command. When I asked HW why they didn't use dots 7 and 8 like all the other braille displays, they blamed Apple. When I asked about the scroll wheel not being supported, they blamed Apple. When I asked why, in later versions of Keysoft, the Apex would randomly lock up and need a reset while connected to iOS, they blamed Apple. The thing is, no other display I've used or heard of has these problems, and even the Apex didn't lock up until KS9.2, if memory serves. It was working fine, then, after a Keysoft update, it wasn't. Humanware just blamed Apple, and, as far as I know, *still* hasn't fixed anything. Now I'm hearing that the Brailliant displays do the same thing, and I have to wonder if this isn't yet another Humanware quality control problem. All that to say: if it were me, I'd get a display from any company except Humanware. Yes, input needs work, and that's all Apple, but some of the AT companies aren't exactly paragons of great hardware and software. On Jun 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop, then clearly we're dealing with a driver issue, and Apple writes all the drivers to talk to the various Braille displays. No matter what Braille display we're using, we're going to have the contracted input issues because they're a function of iOS. I think frustration is mounting because people have been pointing out these issues for some years now. One thing that hasn't yet been done, and in my view should be, is an Applevis campaign of the month. I've not seen such a campaign for a while now, but Applevis has gone after third-party developers who've provided a less than optimal experience for VO users. So with something as critical as our very literacy, this is an issue that warrants the site's serious attention in my opinion. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 11:31 pm, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everybody. I would like to make this discussion practical. I have chosen not to purchase a dedicated notetaker when a laptop and screen reader give me more features more timely and at a lower price. Sometimes I don't want to
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Tara, Freedom Scientific is no longer actively producing a notetaker. You can buy a PAC mate if it meets your needs, but the software hasn't been updated for some years now, and Freedom is heavily promoting its Focus product line. Go to any Freedom product demonstrations, and you'll see a Focus being demonstrated with a wide range of devices, including iPhone and iPad. In fact, Freedom has done entire hour-long CSUN sessions on iOS and its Braille displays. So rather than being in Freedom's interests to keep Apple's problems alive, it's in Freedom's interest for Apple to fix them because it may encourage more people to buy portable Braille displays, hopefully from their perspective, some of which will be the Focus line. As for those manufacturers actively developing their notetaker products today, there is potentially a conflict of interest, although I think anyone sensible will know which way the wind is blowing, and they risk losing more sales if their products are flaky with something so ubiquitous as iOS. There seems to be a general consensus from this thread that Braille input needs work, and that is something only Apple can address. But if there are issues with individual products and they rest with the manufacturer of the display, then absolutely, we should also advocate firmly to them, and take these issues into account when making our purchasing choices. The only display I use on a regular basis is the Focus, which in my experience pairs well with iOS, so the only issues I've personally experienced are very much in Apple's court. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 22/06/2015, at 4:58 am, TaraPrakash taraprak...@gmail.com wrote: That's precisely the point. HW and FS will be the biggest losers if braille displays would work with ios devices. Who would buy the dedicated note takers then? They have to keep this nagging problem alive. Those who have some voice, we all have a voice but not significant enough to be heard, but those who are heard, are very unlikely to question the motives of these speciality devices. I agree hw has been very misleading, and FS less than responsive about these issues. Someone earlier in the thread argued that because apple controls the environment they must do something about it. The question is whether HW has the will to have it resolved. I recently was told by a learned lister about a bluetooth keyboard that doesn't work with voiceover. He suggested I choose logitech keys to go? the point I am making is that there are some keyboards that work nicely whereas others do not. Does apple make different drivers for different keyboards? If we don't blame apple for some bluetooth keyboards not working with IOS devices, why dod we do that in the case of braille displays? Let us keep putting pressure on apple so that they do not let their support for accessibility go down, and as Jonathan suggested we can't let them off the hook, but we can't absolve these assistive devices producers either and allow them to become complacent. They have a habbit of keeping big blindnesss organizations happy by supporting their conventions and stay friendly to people in rehab agencies. We shouldn't let them become complacent and let them take us for granted and put pressure to listen to us on them as well. . Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I do agree that braille input on iOS needs work. As to locking up, though, is this only in the Humanware displays? Those who follow me probably know I strongly dislike Humanware as a company, because of out-of-date and broken features, promises they failed to deliver on, and a tendency to blame other companies for their shortcomings. For example, when I used an Apex with my iPod all the time, delete was space-d and enter was space-e. This made the enter command especially annoying, because you had to hit a special command before the Apex would pass space-e along instead of reading it as the 'exit' command. When I asked HW why they didn't use dots 7 and 8 like all the other braille displays, they blamed Apple. When I asked about the scroll wheel not being supported, they blamed Apple. When I asked why, in later versions of Keysoft, the Apex would randomly lock up and need a reset while connected to iOS, they blamed Apple. The thing is, no other display I've used or heard of has these problems, and even the Apex didn't lock up until KS9.2, if memory serves. It was working fine, then, after a Keysoft update, it wasn't. Humanware just blamed Apple, and, as far as I know, *still* hasn't fixed anything. Now I'm hearing that the Brailliant displays do the same thing, and I have to wonder if this isn't yet another Humanware quality control problem. All that to say: if it were me, I'd get a display
Re: Calendar events in different timezones
I'm not sure about Fantastical 2, and contrary to David's opinion there are competent programmers working outside of Apple :-), but for the most part, you just need to set up the event for the time zone the phone is currently using, and it'll adjust when you get to your destination and the phone adjusts it's time zone automatically. Many calendar applications, such as Google Calendar, will let you set the time zone in addition to just using the default time zone, so if you're in the central time zone, but you know what time the event is in the eastern time zone, then you can just set the time zone when you're scheduling the event and the calendar will take care of the rest as you change time zones. I know what you mean about time zones being confusing. I used to work for a company where I traveled a lot and called into a lot of meetings that were scheduled by people all over the world. I got into the habit of just consistently using one time zone, like US central or universal time when adding a meeting to my calendar. If I didn't have the time to do the calculation myself, I could just use Google calendar's ability to change the time zone to whatever the time zone was where the person was setting up the meeting. On 06/21/2015 08:21 AM, Alan Lemly wrote: Hi Wayne, I don't use Fantastical 2 but last year when I set up NFB convention events in Outlook, I mistakenly set them with their actual eastern timezone times even though I'm also located in the central timezone. When I got to Orlando for the convention, all the event times were automatically advanced by an hour to reflect eastern time. I don't know what setting I could have changed to avoid this if any but if I make any appointments in Outlook for this year's convention, I'm going to use central time and record them an hour earlier than scheduled. I have a hard time wrapping my brain around how Outlook handles this timezone stuff and I wish I could set it to assume the times entered were for the timezone where the event is held. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Merritt Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:50 PM To: viphone Subject: Calendar events in different timezones All, I asked this question a few months ago, but want to make sure I understand everything once again. I am going to Orlando for the NFB national convention in a couple of weeks. I live in the Central timezone. However, since I am scheduling a few appointments using Fantastical 2 which happen in Florida, I want to make sure my times and appointments will not get all messed up when I get to Florida. I have timezone support on my phone turned on, so does that mean that when I go from Central to Eastern that my appointments will automatically adjust the time or will they stay at the same time? I find this whole issue of changing timezones very confusing so could someone please explain simply and put me at ease. Thanks, Wayne -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
It does. I've almost been thinking of going back to the regular English braille instead of UEB just because it takes up less room. I hope Apple doesn't take out that option. Though they may, considering that everyone has switched to it by the time IOS 9 comes out. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Agreed; contracted braille is really important to me when I have to read it. It's faster and, vitally in today's market of tiny cell counts, more fits on one line. The OP asked specifically about 32-cell units, and if you think about it, even those are quite small compared to what a sighted person can see on an iPhone's screen. The more that can fit, the better. I love UEB for removing the ambiguities, but the trade-off is that it takes up more room, especially as you start using it for math or science. On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi David. I think this is a separate issue from what we are discussing. I disagree with you because as someone who must read a lot for public presentations and audio production work, I find contracted Braille helps me process information much more quickly than uncontracted Braille. That's important for fluency. But it's an interesting discussion. UEB has significantly reduced translation ambiguities. In the end though, this is a decision for blind people to make. Braille belongs to us. We should not be forced to alter our practices due to a single company's inability or unwillingness to get their Braille implementation right. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 20/06/2015, at 9:35 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, I respectfully disagree with you about braille. Contracted braille is like print shorthand. It became mainstream because braille is so large on paper, so it was developed to drastically reduce the footprint of braille. Now that we have electronic braille, we should be learning and teaching computer braille rather than noncontracted and contracted literary braille. This would give us blind people parity with sighted people. We would not need to rely, in any way, on contracted braille translators which cause much complications with computer interfaces. A few years ago, the AFB published a study where some blind children were taught using computer braille. There was no difference in learning or information retention between those children and children who are taught using contracted literary braille. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jun 2015, at 17:31, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without appropriately robust Braille input being available. As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen reader company. They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be counted. There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms of the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a better bet than a notetaker. And some adults may well be confident enough in their Braille skills to work around the shortcomings in Apple's Braille input. What really concerns me though is the kids, and in this case I believe notetakers will have a place unless and until Apple get it together when it comes to Braille input. I am pasting below a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago called The Apple Braille Crisis, it's got to be fixed for the kids. While some minor changes were made in iOS 8, it is mostly still relevant. Here it is. People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is unquestionably
Composing messages using my iPad
Hi everyone, Whenever I compose a message using my iPad my signature is always at the top of my message. How do I fix this so my signature is at the bottom of my message? Wendy -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
I use Standard English Braille, and on iOS I prefer to use eight-dot braille input, and Contracted Braille output. Generally less errors that way. From: Annie Skov Nielsen Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 3:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Hi David. I will have to disagree with you here. I am as I am sure you know danish. We have never had contracted braille in jaws, but we have 8 dots braille/computerbraille. I agree that we can easily type in computerbraille, and it would probably be the best thing to do, also to keep your spelling in good shape, but when you are reading, I feel that contracted braille really is a big advantage. I also see it on the mac and IPhone, it helps me a lot that I can get the output in contracted braille, I really feel that the great thing with IPhone and braille display is that you can type in e.g. 8dots mode/computermode and you can read the output in contracted braille, this is where I feel braille on IPhone works better than on notetakers. In my experience the output contracted mode is a major step forward there are bugs yes I know, but it also a great thing for people with smaller display. I have always thought long displays are better, but I am considering that it maybe in many ways would be better with shorter displays, but if you have a shorter display contracted braille as output is a major advantage. I agree with Jonathan that braille could be much better in IOS. In fact I have some questions for you english speaking users, but that will be in a later mail. Best regards Annie. Den 20/06/2015 kl. 11.35 skrev David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com: Jonathan, I respectfully disagree with you about braille. Contracted braille is like print shorthand. It became mainstream because braille is so large on paper, so it was developed to drastically reduce the footprint of braille. Now that we have electronic braille, we should be learning and teaching computer braille rather than noncontracted and contracted literary braille. This would give us blind people parity with sighted people. We would not need to rely, in any way, on contracted braille translators which cause much complications with computer interfaces. A few years ago, the AFB published a study where some blind children were taught using computer braille. There was no difference in learning or information retention between those children and children who are taught using contracted literary braille. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jun 2015, at 17:31, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without appropriately robust Braille input being available. As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen reader company. They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be counted. There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms of the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a better bet than a notetaker. And some adults may well be confident enough in their Braille skills to work around the shortcomings in Apple's Braille input. What really concerns me though is the kids, and in this case I believe notetakers will have a place unless and until Apple get it together when it comes to Braille input. I am pasting below a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago called The Apple Braille Crisis, it's got to be fixed for the kids. While some minor changes were made in iOS 8, it is mostly still relevant. Here it is. People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Elizabeth. Apple attended the NFB convention back in about 2010 I think, but tends not to attend either convention on a regular basis. I regularly use my Focus 14 Blue to tweet, post to Facebook, answer emails and texts. I can even edit the occasional document. So I think for adults, it's a matter of how flexible you are willing to be. For example, even if you would prefer to use contracted input, perhaps the pragmatic approach for now is to use computer Braille, so you don't have to contend with Apple's back-translation issues. Or just getting used to using letter-signs where you're not supposed to use them. So the convention is definitely a good time to have a play and see whether you can put up with it. This is why even though I know some people here feel differently, I believe the issues are mainly of concern to kids learning Braille. I don't think we should be teaching them bad habits when they're learning. Long-time Braille users hopefully have good Braille habits but can learn to break them for Apple devices for now. I know Freedom Scientific has their typical offering where you can sit down with a product specialist who will gladly pair a Focus display with your own iPhone, so you can try it with material you're familiar with. There's nothing quite like using one of these devices on your own phone, using it as you would in the real world. Happy exploring. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 22/06/2015, at 4:40 pm, Elizabeth Campbell batescampb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Jonathan, Thank you for your thought-provoking post in answer to Joe's question regarding Braille output and IOS. I currently have a BrailleNote Apex notetaker, and I have also been thinking about purchasing one of the tiny displays that will work in conjunction with i devices such as the Focus 14 and the Braille pen. i am looking forward to the upcoming NFB convention in Orlando to do some exploring. I work quite a bit out in the field, and it would be great to send tweets or Facebook posts without having to first use my blue tooth headset or ear buds. However, I am concerned that I won't be able to be as productive as I would like by simply using the Braille display in conjunction with my iPhone and iPad because of the less than stellar input. However the thought of having such a small display that I can use absolutely anywhere is intriguing to me. So, I agree that we need to make our concerns known to Apple,and I wonder if there will be opportunities to do so during the upcoming NFB and ACB conventions? On Saturday, June 20, 2015 at 12:31:43 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without appropriately robust Braille input being available. As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen reader company. They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be counted. There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms of the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a better bet than a notetaker. And some adults may well be confident enough in their Braille skills to work around the shortcomings in Apple's Braille input. What really concerns me though is the kids, and in this case I believe notetakers will have a place unless and until Apple get it together when it comes to Braille input. I am pasting below a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago called The Apple Braille Crisis, it's got to be fixed for the kids. While some minor changes were made in iOS 8, it is mostly still relevant. Here it is. People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, simply by virtue of the fact that it’s
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hello Jonathan, Thank you for your thought-provoking post in answer to Joe's question regarding Braille output and IOS. I currently have a BrailleNote Apex notetaker, and I have also been thinking about purchasing one of the tiny displays that will work in conjunction with i devices such as the Focus 14 and the Braille pen. i am looking forward to the upcoming NFB convention in Orlando to do some exploring. I work quite a bit out in the field, and it would be great to send tweets or Facebook posts without having to first use my blue tooth headset or ear buds. However, I am concerned that I won't be able to be as productive as I would like by simply using the Braille display in conjunction with my iPhone and iPad because of the less than stellar input. However the thought of having such a small display that I can use absolutely anywhere is intriguing to me. So, I agree that we need to make our concerns known to Apple,and I wonder if there will be opportunities to do so during the upcoming NFB and ACB conventions? On Saturday, June 20, 2015 at 12:31:43 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without appropriately robust Braille input being available. As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen reader company. They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be counted. There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the phrenetic pace of technology, if they ever really could. So just in terms of the range of things that can be done, getting an iThing is probably a better bet than a notetaker. And some adults may well be confident enough in their Braille skills to work around the shortcomings in Apple's Braille input. What really concerns me though is the kids, and in this case I believe notetakers will have a place unless and until Apple get it together when it comes to Braille input. I am pasting below a blog post I wrote a couple of years ago called The Apple Braille Crisis, it's got to be fixed for the kids. While some minor changes were made in iOS 8, it is mostly still relevant. Here it is. People from all walks of life, not just blind people, can get extremely partisan about their technology preferences. Anything their team does is unquestionably wonderful, while anything another company does is rubbish, simply by virtue of the fact that it’s the other guys who did it. If you criticise the company such people support, you’ve committed heresy. As blind people, I don’t believe we have the luxury of being so childish. Unemployment is high. Misconceptions abound regarding how capable we can be in the workplace, and in society as a whole. We need to be open to all solutions, and where possible, use the best mix of technology we can to be as productive, functional and self-reliant as we can. To be clear, I have enormous admiration for the way Apple has changed the game in assistive technology. When they released VoiceOver in 2009, I was concerned that Apple might do just enough to get people off its back regarding the inaccessibility of the iPhone. But that has not been the case. With every release, Apple has added tangible enhancements such as alternative forms of input, innovative ways for us to use the camera, and so much more. So Apple’s commitment to accessibility is real, its ongoing, and it has earned enormous praise and respect. Is there a “but” coming? Yes, there is, actually., because being grateful for a product doesn’t mean we don’t have rights as paying consumers to point out where a product falls short. But more than that, if Apple’s innovations risk killing off a category of product, and the literacy of our kids is threatened, we have a moral obligation to speak up constructively and ask Apple to engage with us as a community about fixing the issue. The Internet is buzzing with reports of bugs in iOS 7. I’m not unduly concerned about most of these, because I
Voice Dream Mail Update is Out
Hey everyone. I'm happy to report that Voice Dream Mail version 1.0.1 is out. This update lets you use voices you purchased from Voice Dream Reader and Writer as well as some bug fixes including a comcast account fix. Happy reading. Shawn Sent from my White MacBook -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: albums in a list in iTunes?
Hi Eve, First of all, if you can’t see your songs unless your phone is plugged in I assume that the songs are only on your phone and not in iTunes. Is that possible? What you describe about pressing the spacebar on Eve’s iPhone and then going to the second Music entry in the list definitely describes how you are going to the music on your phone and not the music on your computer. Did you buy your music from iTunes or did you sync it to your computer via iTunes? As for the “Create AAC Version”, this may not be there when you are dealing with music on your phone. When I have a bit more time I’ll connect my iPhone and check it out, but I only ever created ringtones from music on my computer which I had added to my iTunes library. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eve Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:39 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: albums in a list in iTunes? Hi Sieghard, For some reason, I can’t see my list of songs unless I have either my IPod or IPhone plugged into the computer. Music is checked I go there using the control one but I can’t find songs or anything like that. I used to be able to do this. I want to create some ringtones. Oh, another thing that is different, is that I can’t find that create aac version in the menus even though I right-clicked on the song after I created the short version. This was yesterday while I had the IPod plugged it so it could charge. I was able to find the songs then by hitting the spacebar on Eve’s IPod then going into where it says summary down arrowing until it said music the second time. Then I hit the spacebar and the first track in my long list would play. I searched for the one I wanted created the short version using instructions you provided in a saved message. What am I doing wrong? Oh, I did have to go into importing settings change to aac or whatever it’s called. I still can’t find that in the menus. I’m using the latest version of Jaws, NVDA windows 7 home. Any help would be gravely appreciated. Thanks! Eve -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Help needed restoring quicknav for my bluetooth keyboard on my IPad please
Try touching anywhere on your screen and that should get you started again. - Original Message - From: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:32 AM Subject: Re: Help needed restoring quicknav for my bluetooth keyboard on my IPad please Hi. I've tried that. It says that quicknav is on, but then still won't let me navigate at all. Eleanor Sent from my iPhone On 21 Jun 2015, at 09:28, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Eleanor. YOu can turn quicknav on and off by pressing the left and right arrow keys together. It's a toggle, so maybe it got toggled off accidentally. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 8:10 pm, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi all Really hoping someone can help me with this, as I'm desperate for ideas. I was using my IPad last night with quicknav, and everything was going fine. All of a sudden quicknav stopped working for no reason at all/with no explanation. I tried everything to fix it (took the batteries out, re-paired it, etc etc), but with no jooy at all. I even paired the keyboard from my IPhone with the IPad to see if that would work, but as soon as it was paired the quicknav didn't function. I then paired the keyboard from my IPad to my IPhone, and the quicknav worked fine! So clearly it's not the keyboard that's at fault, but some setting or somethingg on the IPad which must have been altered/gone wrong. So was wondering if anyone had any ideas what's gone wrong on my IPad and how I can fix it?? Any help with this really would be very very much appreciated, as I want to go back to be able to using my IPad fully with my bluetooth keyboard. Thanks in advance. Eleanor Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Eileen, I believe your BrailleNote Apex will lock up if more than one paired device tries to access the display at once. For example, if you are using your BrailleNote in Braille display mode with a computer, and a paired iPhone wakes up and tries to access it, this will cause the lockup. Your display will continue to work with the computer, but all input keys will stop working until you drop all connections and try to reconnect again. Grant From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Sent: June 21, 2015 4:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Hello Folks, I have been following this thread, especially regarding the HW products. I haven't paired my Apex to my iPhone 6 in quite a while. This is because I have chosen my braille input on the phone to use the MBraille app and voice of Alex. I still prefer to read novels and the such on the Apex. I download the books directly from Bookshare on to the device. Hence, one can continue using a braille notetaker for that purpose. My question to those who are using or have used HW products what causes it to lock uf? I would like to give the Apex a second chance with my iPhone 6 once again. Thanks again and I'm with you Sandy in wishing for a full page braille display. Bast, Eileen Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Transferring OOTunes Recordings to my Computer
Hi all, I have a couple hours of audio recordings from OOTunes that I want to transfer to my computer if at all possible. There are three separate recordings. Is there a way to share them from within OOTunes, or will ITunes see them when I hook the phone up to the computer. I've never done this stuff before so don't even know if it's possible. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Tom -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Somewhat back to the original inquiry, if Braille is such a vital part of the job, and if you’re an experienced Windows based screen reader, then maybe consider looking into one of those windows based tablets. Dell Venue or Toshiba Encore for example. A 2gb model wont’ run you more than $250.00 and probably less if you really hunt for a deal or don’t’ mind going refurbished or used. Apple is great and all, but perhaps in a circumstance like this, for practicle purposes, going for more robust and reliable Braille support may be the way to go. Perhaps use cloud based services in order to have as much synchronicity on Windows and i-devices as well. Perhaps not ideal since you’d be talking about a totally separate device and reliance on Internet access, but there you go. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Hello Jonnathan. I have two questions for you. 1. When using a focus 40 blue with IOS devices, does the focus ever lock up when you are writing braille? Do you have a 16 32 or 64 bit IOS device? 2. Does Apple have to write drivers for each braille display? What part do the braille display manufacturers play in making sure their devices work with IOS? I'm asking you because you were vice president of Hardware products with Freedom Scientific so your experience here may halp us in our advocacy efforts. As far as the Humanware Firmware update is concerned, it did nothing to resolve the problem of the Brailliant locking up. Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop, then clearly we're dealing with a driver issue, and Apple writes all the drivers to talk to the various Braille displays. No matter what Braille display we're using, we're going to have the contracted input issues because they're a function of iOS. I think frustration is mounting because people have been pointing out these issues for some years now. One thing that hasn't yet been done, and in my view should be, is an Applevis campaign of the month. I've not seen such a campaign for a while now, but Applevis has gone after third-party developers who've provided a less than optimal experience for VO users. So with something as critical as our very literacy, this is an issue that warrants the site's serious attention in my opinion. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 11:31 pm, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everybody. I would like to make this discussion practical. I have chosen not to purchase a dedicated notetaker when a laptop and screen reader give me more features more timely and at a lower price. Sometimes I don't want to carry a laptop. Since Apple has built braille display support into Voiceover, I expect it to be properly implemented and to work flawlessly. I own a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 and a 16 gig iPhone 5S. I can read all day long but when I write, the BI 40 locks up and by the time I recover I've missed some notes during meetings, etc. I've tried to work with both companies. Instead of solving the problem, they are blaming each other. Since Apple has the resources and controls the environment I expect Apple to take the lead and I expect Humanware to work with Apple to resolve the issue. How can we promptly get their attention when the usual channels of communication don't work? On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Tara, yet again you are misrepresenting my comments. In saying that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company, I am not saying they shouldn't have, and I think I made that very clear. Like many people on this list, my life is enriched every day by the fact that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company. And you can find many books and blog posts I've written, as well as media interviews I've done, where I make this point. I am saying, however, that they should be held to no lesser standard than any other screen reader company. When Apple developed their own Maps app in iOS 6, this made them a navigation company. They blew it, big time, consumers objected, and Apple made a course correction. That's because, quite rightly, consumers held Apple to the same standard
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
There have been documented issues with Humanware products and the I devices that have not occured with similar devices from other manufacturers. Andy From: Alex Hall Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice I do agree that braille input on iOS needs work. As to locking up, though, is this only in the Humanware displays? Those who follow me probably know I strongly dislike Humanware as a company, because of out-of-date and broken features, promises they failed to deliver on, and a tendency to blame other companies for their shortcomings. For example, when I used an Apex with my iPod all the time, delete was space-d and enter was space-e. This made the enter command especially annoying, because you had to hit a special command before the Apex would pass space-e along instead of reading it as the 'exit' command. When I asked HW why they didn't use dots 7 and 8 like all the other braille displays, they blamed Apple. When I asked about the scroll wheel not being supported, they blamed Apple. When I asked why, in later versions of Keysoft, the Apex would randomly lock up and need a reset while connected to iOS, they blamed Apple. The thing is, no other display I've used or heard of has these problems, and even the Apex didn't lock up until KS9.2, if memory serves. It was working fine, then, after a Keysoft update, it wasn't. Humanware just blamed Apple, and, as far as I know, *still* hasn't fixed anything. Now I'm hearing that the Brailliant displays do the same thing, and I have to wonder if this isn't yet another Humanware quality control problem. All that to say: if it were me, I'd get a display from any company except Humanware. Yes, input needs work, and that's all Apple, but some of the AT companies aren't exactly paragons of great hardware and software. On Jun 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop, then clearly we're dealing with a driver issue, and Apple writes all the drivers to talk to the various Braille displays. No matter what Braille display we're using, we're going to have the contracted input issues because they're a function of iOS. I think frustration is mounting because people have been pointing out these issues for some years now. One thing that hasn't yet been done, and in my view should be, is an Applevis campaign of the month. I've not seen such a campaign for a while now, but Applevis has gone after third-party developers who've provided a less than optimal experience for VO users. So with something as critical as our very literacy, this is an issue that warrants the site's serious attention in my opinion. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 11:31 pm, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everybody. I would like to make this discussion practical. I have chosen not to purchase a dedicated notetaker when a laptop and screen reader give me more features more timely and at a lower price. Sometimes I don't want to carry a laptop. Since Apple has built braille display support into Voiceover, I expect it to be properly implemented and to work flawlessly. I own a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 and a 16 gig iPhone 5S. I can read all day long but when I write, the BI 40 locks up and by the time I recover I've missed some notes during meetings, etc. I've tried to work with both companies. Instead of solving the problem, they are blaming each other. Since Apple has the resources and controls the environment I expect Apple to take the lead and I expect Humanware to work with Apple to resolve the issue. How can we promptly get their attention when the usual channels of communication don't work? On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Tara, yet again you are misrepresenting my comments. In saying that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company, I am not saying they shouldn't have, and I think I made that very clear. Like many people on this list, my life is enriched every day by the fact that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company. And you can find many books and blog posts I've written, as well as media interviews I've done, where I make this point. I am saying, however, that they should be held to no lesser standard than any other screen reader company. When Apple developed their own Maps app in iOS 6, this made them a navigation company. They blew it, big time, consumers
Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display?
Hello folks, Is it possible to read a BARD braille book on my iPhone without having a braille display? Does voiceover do back translation of braille? I know that most braille books on BARD are in Grade2 Braille. If I read the word Published it will be read public%$. However, if voiceover does back translation to Grade 1 it would be read correctly without the need to have a braille display. I am wondering if this is possible! Regards, Cris -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display?
Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display?Unfortunately, it is not possible to read braille books via VoiceOver. I wish it were. I wish they would put a translation program into the Bard app, so we could read braille books without having to have a braille display, as one can do with some of the third-party players, such as the Victor Reader Stream. However, they seem to have no plans to enable the Bard app to be able to read braille, other than with a braille display. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cris Ali To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:58 PM Subject: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display? Hello folks, Is it possible to read a BARD braille book on my iPhone without having a braille display? Does voiceover do back translation of braille? I know that most braille books on BARD are in Grade2 Braille. If I read the word Published it will be read public%$. However, if voiceover does back translation to Grade 1 it would be read correctly without the need to have a braille display. I am wondering if this is possible! Regards, Cris -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: question about earbuds
I also find them better than the originals. Except, I cannot keep them in my ears. By no means are my ear canals large but the buds (or pods) are made of such a slick plastic I may have to take Sieghard's suggestion and try a dab of glue. Eric _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: question about earbuds Personally, I find the newer earpods to be more comfortable than the older version. The microphone is handy as well. That said, I wish they wern't so incredibly bass heavy, had less of a peak around 500 Hurtz, and less of a role off in the treble. But what do you expect for probably pennies per unit? (grin) At 09:40 AM 6/20/2015, you wrote: Jordan, Put a small amount of crazy glue around the edge of your ear pods, then insert and leave in permanenly *smile*. OK, joking aside, it appears that some people really like thhe Apple Earpods and others don't like them at all. I assume that anatomically some ears just are not holding them in, I personally find they stay in really good for me, I can tilt my head to the side and shake it and they still won't fall out. The new ear pods definitely are a lot nicer than the original ones. I find it works best for me if I put them in with the cable pointing forward sort of horizontally and then I give them a sort of quarter turn down so the cable is pointing down. For me it almost seems that more or less screws them into my ear. I have had ear pods break on me, but I also do use them a lot and what I would call hard. I often wear them when I am doing things and sometimes I get the cable hooked on something and pull out the ear pods either from my ears or the plug out of the phone, but if you have Apple Care and they don't work any more I either go to an Apple Store if I happen to be near one or I call Apple and get a free replacement. I believe with Apple Care you get 2 free replacements and that just about pays for most of what the Apple Car plan costs.. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jordan Norregaard Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 2:03 AM To: viphone Subject: question about earbuds Earlier, I was listening to some awesome EDM (techno) on Sirius xm radio! The Electric Daisy Carnival is live for two more nights from Vegas, but I digress. Is there a way to insert the apple earbuds in my head...so they stay in my head? My new earpods broke, but luckily I found two spair older, first generation sets. Is there a little science to putting them in your ears just the right way? I'll also ask the same question about the new earpods for newbies of iPhones...any tips? Is there one proscribed way of insertion into the ears? Jordan -- The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, you should delete this message. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized, and any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken or omitted in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit
Re: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display?
If you have k1000, you can convert the BRF file to text and access the text file using Voice Dream reader with Dropbox. Kelly On 6/21/15, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks Arnold, I guess I may just have to cheat the Bard and back translate the books using my pc, and saving them in grade1 braille and then reading them on the BARD app on my iPhone Regards, Ibrahim. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display? Unfortunately, it is not possible to read braille books via VoiceOver. I wish it were. I wish they would put a translation program into the Bard app, so we could read braille books without having to have a braille display, as one can do with some of the third-party players, such as the Victor Reader Stream. However, they seem to have no plans to enable the Bard app to be able to read braille, other than with a braille display. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cris Ali mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:58 PM Subject: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display? Hello folks, Is it possible to read a BARD braille book on my iPhone without having a braille display? Does voiceover do back translation of braille? I know that most braille books on BARD are in Grade2 Braille. If I read the word Published it will be read public%$. However, if voiceover does back translation to Grade 1 it would be read correctly without the need to have a braille display. I am wondering if this is possible! Regards, Cris -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at
Re: Fleksy Keyboard Upgrade and Fleksy VO Experience
Hi Alan, I'm really sorry you have had this disappointment but thought it worth writing this post, even if it comes to nothing. You may recall that a number of us have had qujite severe problems using external keyboards (including the Apple keyboard itself) when double letters would suddenly appear, etc. I remember others suggested they'd solved that problem simply enough by removing VO (with the Tripple click Home), then putting it back again. It works for me every time. My keyboard still goes wrong, mostly when I start to use it from the turn off position. Anyway, I just wondered whether this is the same kind of interrmittent problem which might just respond to the same treatment and enable you to use the new version of Flexy successfully. If you feel you want to give it a go, having just probably now reinstalled the older version, I will be most interested to know if you get success. If you don't want the bother of this then of course I understand that also, but just couldn't resist making the suggestion, knowing the various difficulties I've had with the Apple keyboard since IOS 8 appeared! Do write off list if you prefer. Carol P - Original Message - From: Alan Lemly To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 2:23 AM Subject: Fleksy Keyboard Upgrade and Fleksy VO Experience Sending this again but this time with a subject. Hello List, Today, I upgraded to Fleksy Keyboard 5.7.1 which was released on 6/17/15. Since I had asked a question on this list about others' experience with the latest version of Fleksy when also running Fleksy VO on their devices, I thought I'd share my experience. I was very excited when first testing the upgraded Fleksy. After a short time getting used to differences between the Fleksy Keyboard and Fleksy VO swipes, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the app worked well with VoiceOver. The only thing I had a small bother with was that each key typed with the Fleksy keyboard engaged was announced. In Fleksy VO, this could be turned off I believe but I could not figure out how to do that with Fleksy Keyboard. The other difficulty I had was jumping back to the standard iOS keyboard but when I found you could shift from an abbreviated Fleksy keyboard to one showing the spacebar and the alternative keyboard button by doing a two-finger swipe up on the Fleksy keyboard, this issue was resolved. I was really excited when I fired up Fleksy VO and it still seemed to function as it always has for me the last several months. This was not my experience with an earlier version of Fleksy Keyboard. I took pains to type with Fleksy Keyboard in my messages, email, and notes apps and everything seemed to be working just fine. I powered off my iPhone 6 running iOS 8.3 to make sure this had no effect on the Fleksy apps. I also did a hard reset with the home and power buttons. I wanted to make sure that the upgraded app was functioning correctly before making an iTunes backup of my phone post installation. However, at some point, things went awry. I was not able to identify the event that caused things to go south but I started noticing it after resetting my phone. Trying to do a two-finger swipe up on the Fleksy keyboard to switch between its condensed keyboard without the spacebar and the one with it stopped working. In fact, trying to type anything with Fleksy Keyboard stopped working and I would hear the word keypad announced when attempting to type with the keyboard. Removing and reloading the Fleksy keyboard in Settings, General, Keyboards had no effect in correcting the problem. Then, I tried using the Fleksy VO app and it was totally messed up too. This is what I've experienced with past upgrades of the Fleksy Keyboard app but at least the problems took longer to appear. I ended up restoring my iTunes encrypted backup I had made before testing the Fleksy Keyboard upgrade in order to return to a functioning Fleksy VO app upon which I depend mightily for iPhone input. I guess I'll be hopeful that they'll eventually get Fleksy Keyboard to function well for VoiceOver users but I'm more than a little discouraged and a lot pessimistic. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send
Re: Braille display with iPhone, using the at symbol
When in contracted mode, the @ is dot 4 followed immediately by dot 1. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 22 Jun 2015, at 01:38, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: If somebody is using a Braille display with an iPhone, is there any way to use the @ (at) symbol without switching to uncontracted Braille? This symbol is needed to type email addresses or tag people on FaceBook. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Composing messages using my iPad
Thank you, this worked. So easy. Thanks for the help. Sent from Wendy's iPhone On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:16 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Use a single finger double tap to move the cursor to either the beginning, or the end, of the edit area. The gesture switches between both ends. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 22 Jun 2015, at 04:10, Wendy Alling wendall...@comcast.net wrote: Hi everyone, Whenever I compose a message using my iPad my signature is always at the top of my message. How do I fix this so my signature is at the bottom of my message? Wendy -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Braille display with iPhone, using the at symbol
Hello. Try dot four followed by dot 1. On Jun 21, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: If somebody is using a Braille display with an iPhone, is there any way to use the @ (at) symbol without switching to uncontracted Braille? This symbol is needed to type email addresses or tag people on FaceBook. Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: backing up and restoring books in Voice Dream Reader
Shannon, I'll tell you what my experience was just now trying to use iTunes to save the Voice Dream Library to my computer. When I went under Apps in itunes and placed focus on Voice Dream in the file sharing section, two folders are presented as being on my iPhone within Voice Dream for which I can access the Save To button in iTunes to save them to my computer, an Inbox and the Voice Dream Library. I saved the Voice Dream Library folder which shows as being 795MB in size so that would seem to be the correct one. However, after saving it and perusing the folder where I placed it, I could not find anything that looked like a book file or folder from Voice Dream with Windows Explorer. When I tried reversing the process in order to add a file from my computer to Voice Dream using file sharing in iTunes, I also could not find anything that looked like a Voice Dream book. So, the long and short of the above is that I don't know how you can independently back up your Voice Dream content to your computer. I will say that I had to do a full restore of my iPhone 6 from an iTunes encrypted backup do to a problem with the Fleksy Keyboard app upgrade and all my Voice Dream books were in the app after the restore. So an iTunes encrypted backup does back up that content but restoring it is an all or nothing endeavor. If someone knows how to backup and restore just Voice Dream content to their computer, I'd love to hear how. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Dyer Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 12:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: backing up and restoring books in Voice Dream Reader Greetings, all. I'm wondering if someone can give me instructions on exactly how to back up and restore data from the Voice Dream Reader app. There has been some talk of a database file that may or may not be necessary, and I don't want to back it up incorrectly, causing me to lose a pretty large number of books once I delete the app. Thanks in advance, and I'm sorry if this is something super obvious that I'm simply failing to understand. Shannon -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: ATTENTION OF JONATHAN MOSEN - How to Turn Off Split Screen Feature on iPhone 6 Plus
That sounds good, and I may well find a use for those arrow keys also! Thanks, Jonathan! Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 21 Jun 2015, at 6:54 pm, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Carol, yes, if you lock the orientation to portrait, when you use Braille Screen Input, mBraille or play a video, the phone will still go into landscape etc. It's really no different from locking orientation on an older phone. There is an extra row of keys in landscape mode on the 6 Plus including fullstop and some arrow keys, nothing critical. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 22/06/2015, at 5:42 am, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Okay, Jonathan, I understand now! I still am interested to know the answer to the questions I raised. Anyone know? Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 20 Jun 2015, at 10:02 pm, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Carol, when i raised this, it related to the iPad, not the 6 Plus, which I use in portrait mode and thus without the split screen. There is no way to do this on the iPad. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 6:30 am, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: \HI ALL, Of course I want you all to see and respond to this ... but would welcome Jonathan's input specifically after I think I saw a message a little while back about his wanting to use mail without the split screen. I see from a recent tip (subject of this message) that this can be done but, in reading the full text of the tip, it looks like you do lose the use of some buttons and the landscape Home screen. My questions are: 1)Can you easily still get into the landscape screen when using something like mBraille? and 2What buttons (and in which programmes and context) do you lose by altering the above? Jonathan, why didn't you want to use this method so that you could read your mail that way? Oh, apologies if I have remembered your post incorrectly, by the way. If so, please just let me know that this was the case! I'm definitely changing my phone soon and, if there's not a newer model which is the size of the 5 or 4S, I want to be sure about the 6 as an option. I don't like such a big phone and, like Jonathan, wouldn't really want to have the two columns available in reading mail. Thanks for any clarification and/or further comments on this. Carol P -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
RE: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display?
Thanks Arnold, I guess I may just have to cheat the Bard and back translate the books using my pc, and saving them in grade1 braille and then reading them on the BARD app on my iPhone Regards, Ibrahim. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display? Unfortunately, it is not possible to read braille books via VoiceOver. I wish it were. I wish they would put a translation program into the Bard app, so we could read braille books without having to have a braille display, as one can do with some of the third-party players, such as the Victor Reader Stream. However, they seem to have no plans to enable the Bard app to be able to read braille, other than with a braille display. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cris Ali mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:58 PM Subject: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display? Hello folks, Is it possible to read a BARD braille book on my iPhone without having a braille display? Does voiceover do back translation of braille? I know that most braille books on BARD are in Grade2 Braille. If I read the word Published it will be read public%$. However, if voiceover does back translation to Grade 1 it would be read correctly without the need to have a braille display. I am wondering if this is possible! Regards, Cris -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
That’s fine as long as you are not writing for publication. Andy From: Brett Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice I personally don’t use UEB. I find it faster to read and write in contracted braille than in UEB and since the only time I read Braille these days is either with my computer or iPhone, I don’t really see any reason for me to use UEB when its slower and I am able to pick the type of output I want anyway. I don’t read Braille books these days, plus its too hard to get anything I would actually want to read in Braille in a paper format these days. Just my thoughts. Cheers, Brett. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Quinn Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2015 11:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice It does. I've almost been thinking of going back to the regular English braille instead of UEB just because it takes up less room. I hope Apple doesn't take out that option. Though they may, considering that everyone has switched to it by the time IOS 9 comes out. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Agreed; contracted braille is really important to me when I have to read it. It's faster and, vitally in today's market of tiny cell counts, more fits on one line. The OP asked specifically about 32-cell units, and if you think about it, even those are quite small compared to what a sighted person can see on an iPhone's screen. The more that can fit, the better. I love UEB for removing the ambiguities, but the trade-off is that it takes up more room, especially as you start using it for math or science. On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi David. I think this is a separate issue from what we are discussing. I disagree with you because as someone who must read a lot for public presentations and audio production work, I find contracted Braille helps me process information much more quickly than uncontracted Braille. That's important for fluency. But it's an interesting discussion. UEB has significantly reduced translation ambiguities. In the end though, this is a decision for blind people to make. Braille belongs to us. We should not be forced to alter our practices due to a single company's inability or unwillingness to get their Braille implementation right. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 20/06/2015, at 9:35 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, I respectfully disagree with you about braille. Contracted braille is like print shorthand. It became mainstream because braille is so large on paper, so it was developed to drastically reduce the footprint of braille. Now that we have electronic braille, we should be learning and teaching computer braille rather than noncontracted and contracted literary braille. This would give us blind people parity with sighted people. We would not need to rely, in any way, on contracted braille translators which cause much complications with computer interfaces. A few years ago, the AFB published a study where some blind children were taught using computer braille. There was no difference in learning or information retention between those children and children who are taught using contracted literary braille. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jun 2015, at 17:31, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without appropriately robust Braille input being available. As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen reader company. They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the spread of
Re: albums in a list in iTunes?
Hi Sieghard, For some reason, I can’t see my list of songs unless I have either my IPod or IPhone plugged into the computer. Music is checked I go there using the control one but I can’t find songs or anything like that. I used to be able to do this. I want to create some ringtones. Oh, another thing that is different, is that I can’t find that create aac version in the menus even though I right-clicked on the song after I created the short version. This was yesterday while I had the IPod plugged it so it could charge. I was able to find the songs then by hitting the spacebar on Eve’s IPod then going into where it says summary down arrowing until it said music the second time. Then I hit the spacebar and the first track in my long list would play. I searched for the one I wanted created the short version using instructions you provided in a saved message. What am I doing wrong? Oh, I did have to go into importing settings change to aac or whatever it’s called. I still can’t find that in the menus. I’m using the latest version of Jaws, NVDA windows 7 home. Any help would be gravely appreciated. Thanks! Eve -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display?
Thanks Kelly, This is exactly what I was planning to do. In fact I was thinking of changing the txt extension back to brf and open the file with the BARD App. I hope it would work this way. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 6:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display? If you have k1000, you can convert the BRF file to text and access the text file using Voice Dream reader with Dropbox. Kelly On 6/21/15, Cris Ali filasti...@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks Arnold, I guess I may just have to cheat the Bard and back translate the books using my pc, and saving them in grade1 braille and then reading them on the BARD app on my iPhone Regards, Ibrahim. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display? Unfortunately, it is not possible to read braille books via VoiceOver. I wish it were. I wish they would put a translation program into the Bard app, so we could read braille books without having to have a braille display, as one can do with some of the third-party players, such as the Victor Reader Stream. However, they seem to have no plans to enable the Bard app to be able to read braille, other than with a braille display. Arnold Schmidt - Original Message - From: Cris Ali mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:58 PM Subject: Can I read a bard braille book on my iPhone without a braille display? Hello folks, Is it possible to read a BARD braille book on my iPhone without having a braille display? Does voiceover do back translation of braille? I know that most braille books on BARD are in Grade2 Braille. If I read the word Published it will be read public%$. However, if voiceover does back translation to Grade 1 it would be read correctly without the need to have a braille display. I am wondering if this is possible! Regards, Cris -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: My speaker phone and speaker quality
I also have a for S, which is why I am replying. I have found that you do need to apply a little pressure on the phone as you hold it close to your ear, to make sure it stays still and firm. That works for me. Overall, I do prefer to use an earpiece most of the time. Do whatever works best for you! I just hope this helps a little! Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 21 Jun 2015, at 3:51 am, princessterr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I have some questions about my phones speaker. I am hoping someone can help me. First of all why does my phone go to the speaker so much? Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening? It really drives me crazy! By the way I have a 4s. Also when my phone does go to speaker, I am told that the sound is muffled. I am told that I sound like I am in a hole. Is there a way to fix this? Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you, Terri Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted
I forgot about that magnetic charging connector on the Legend. Another reason why I dind't care for it. Plantronics probably realised that it wasn't popular with consumers either since the next model in the Voyager series (Edge) went back to using the convenient Micro USB charger. That and the magnetic cable was incredibly and frustratingly short. At least with the Edge, I can use any old and long Micro USB cable to charge. I actually got my mother a super cheap bluetooth headset on eBay for $13.00 a while back and but for the fact that it has that power button that I don't like and not a switch that I prefer, I would have given it more consideration. The one thing nice about her little earpiece is that it comes with an extra earbud that you can connect to the Micro USB connector on the earpiece and turn it into a stereo headset. I havent' come across other models with this feature. Funny because it's some generic super cheap unbranded headset from China, but it works well for her. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted Interesting that an iPhone user would complain about a proprietary connector on an iPhone list. I prefer standard connectors myself when all things are equal, but I'll put up with a proprietary connector if I like the device enough, such as my iPhone. On 06/21/2015 01:47 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello, I strongly recommend against purchasing a Plantronics Legend Bluetooth headset. A friend of mine just purchased one and I can honestly say, in my opinion, it does not hold up to the standard I have come to expect from Plantronics. Add to that the fact that the Legend uses a proprietary charging connector. The following is an excerpt from a post I sent to the list a while ago regarding my current and, might I add, favorite Bluetooth headset: [begin excerpt]: But to be quite honest, my absolute favorite model, at this point in time, for GPS navigation, podcasts, phone discussions, SMS replies etc, is my tiny little Plantronics Edge Bluetooth device. It is a one-ear headset. To me, it does not impede any ambient noise and is so light that I often forget I am wearing it. It has all of the advanced features common to all high end Bluetooth devices including the ability to pause playback of music/podcasts. It is so small that it sits in the ear but does not go into the ear canal. It does not require the use of an over-the-ear hook. It is a fabulous piece of technology. [END EXCERPT] Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted I liked my trusty Plantronics M50, but it finally died a few weeks ago. What I really liked about it was the fact that it had a power switch you could just flick to turn on and connect to the phone. I've been putting a few models through their paces and am now on the Plantronics Voyager Edge. So far, so good. I've stuck to Plantronics as they for the most part have the power switch instead of a button that has to to be pressed and held to turn on. I tried the M55 and while a lot of people say it works for them, I just was not convinced. Chooppy audio connectivity issues and it felt cheap in my hand. The Voyager Legend didn't convince me either. Especially not for the $80.00 price tag. Similar choppy audio issues with the call quality not being anything sepcial. Anyway, in short, those are my quick thoughts. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Casey Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted hi I only need a single ear piece. For talking on my phone hands free and it has to have good noise cans elation and good audio for the person to hear me when I am talking to them. I would also like it to be useable no matter what ear I would like to use it in. Do any of your have the jaw bone ones or the jabra ear pieces if so witch ones and how well do you like them? That you all ahead of time for any and all suggestions that I may get. -- Casey -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this
Re: Fleksy Keyboard Upgrade and Fleksy VO Experience
Well, I hope your findings are positive ones, and I look forward to hearing more on that one! Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 21 Jun 2015, at 7:35 pm, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: Carol, Thanks so much for your suggestion and at some point this week, I'll have another go at installing the Fleksy Keyboard upgrade again and keep the workaround of turning VO off in my back pocket. I was scrambling trying different things after the problems arose but did not remember or try the VoiceOver one. I'll post back with my results the second time around but I'll make sure I have another encrypted backup before trying it again. I really do depend on Fleksy VO and would love the keyboard to work as well. I'll also comment that I find Fleksy Support to be next to useless. I always receive a response from the same guy who handles their tech support and of the 5 to 8 times I've written them in the last two years, I don't think he's ever replied with anything that made much sense, never mind it being a solution. I know a lot of these support reps are not that familiar with VoiceOver but I'd prefer they just say that rather than offering up something that's inaccurate. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Fleksy Keyboard Upgrade and Fleksy VO Experience Hi Alan, I'm really sorry you have had this disappointment but thought it worth writing this post, even if it comes to nothing. You may recall that a number of us have had qujite severe problems using external keyboards (including the Apple keyboard itself) when double letters would suddenly appear, etc. I remember others suggested they'd solved that problem simply enough by removing VO (with the Tripple click Home), then putting it back again. It works for me every time. My keyboard still goes wrong, mostly when I start to use it from the turn off position. Anyway, I just wondered whether this is the same kind of interrmittent problem which might just respond to the same treatment and enable you to use the new version of Flexy successfully. If you feel you want to give it a go, having just probably now reinstalled the older version, I will be most interested to know if you get success. If you don't want the bother of this then of course I understand that also, but just couldn't resist making the suggestion, knowing the various difficulties I've had with the Apple keyboard since IOS 8 appeared! Do write off list if you prefer. Carol P - Original Message - From: Alan Lemly To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 2:23 AM Subject: Fleksy Keyboard Upgrade and Fleksy VO Experience Sending this again but this time with a subject. Hello List, Today, I upgraded to Fleksy Keyboard 5.7.1 which was released on 6/17/15. Since I had asked a question on this list about others' experience with the latest version of Fleksy when also running Fleksy VO on their devices, I thought I'd share my experience. I was very excited when first testing the upgraded Fleksy. After a short time getting used to differences between the Fleksy Keyboard and Fleksy VO swipes, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the app worked well with VoiceOver. The only thing I had a small bother with was that each key typed with the Fleksy keyboard engaged was announced. In Fleksy VO, this could be turned off I believe but I could not figure out how to do that with Fleksy Keyboard. The other difficulty I had was jumping back to the standard iOS keyboard but when I found you could shift from an abbreviated Fleksy keyboard to one showing the spacebar and the alternative keyboard button by doing a two-finger swipe up on the Fleksy keyboard, this issue was resolved. I was really excited when I fired up Fleksy VO and it still seemed to function as it always has for me the last several months. This was not my experience with an earlier version of Fleksy Keyboard. I took pains to type with Fleksy Keyboard in my messages, email, and notes apps and everything seemed to be working just fine. I powered off my iPhone 6 running iOS 8.3 to make sure this had no effect on the Fleksy apps. I also did a hard reset with the home and power buttons. I wanted to make sure that the upgraded app was functioning correctly before making an iTunes backup of my phone post installation. However, at some point, things went awry. I was not able to identify the event that caused things to go south but I started noticing it after resetting my phone. Trying to do a two-finger swipe up on the Fleksy keyboard to switch between its condensed keyboard without the spacebar and the one with it stopped working. In fact, trying to type anything with Fleksy Keyboard stopped working and I would hear the word keypad announced when attempting to type with the keyboard. Removing and
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi Paul, no, I don't believe I have ever had the Focus just lock up. With iOS it can be a little sluggish, but that's due to implementation on the Apple side. It never just crashes though, at least, it never has for me and I Braille at a fair clip. In general terms, a Braille display manufacturer will provide the specifications to Apple for writing a driver. If there is some sort of compatibility issue reported by customers, it should be possible for the display manufacturer and the software developer, in this case Apple, to enter into a dialogue. It has been some time since I was responsible for hardware at FS so I have no knowledge of what communication is like now. When I was doing that work, it was certainly possible and fruitful. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 22/06/2015, at 6:45 am, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello Jonnathan. I have two questions for you. 1. When using a focus 40 blue with IOS devices, does the focus ever lock up when you are writing braille? Do you have a 16 32 or 64 bit IOS device? 2. Does Apple have to write drivers for each braille display? What part do the braille display manufacturers play in making sure their devices work with IOS? I'm asking you because you were vice president of Hardware products with Freedom Scientific so your experience here may halp us in our advocacy efforts. As far as the Humanware Firmware update is concerned, it did nothing to resolve the problem of the Brailliant locking up. Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop, then clearly we're dealing with a driver issue, and Apple writes all the drivers to talk to the various Braille displays. No matter what Braille display we're using, we're going to have the contracted input issues because they're a function of iOS. I think frustration is mounting because people have been pointing out these issues for some years now. One thing that hasn't yet been done, and in my view should be, is an Applevis campaign of the month. I've not seen such a campaign for a while now, but Applevis has gone after third-party developers who've provided a less than optimal experience for VO users. So with something as critical as our very literacy, this is an issue that warrants the site's serious attention in my opinion. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 21/06/2015, at 11:31 pm, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net mailto:prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everybody. I would like to make this discussion practical. I have chosen not to purchase a dedicated notetaker when a laptop and screen reader give me more features more timely and at a lower price. Sometimes I don't want to carry a laptop. Since Apple has built braille display support into Voiceover, I expect it to be properly implemented and to work flawlessly. I own a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 and a 16 gig iPhone 5S. I can read all day long but when I write, the BI 40 locks up and by the time I recover I've missed some notes during meetings, etc. I've tried to work with both companies. Instead of solving the problem, they are blaming each other. Since Apple has the resources and controls the environment I expect Apple to take the lead and I expect Humanware to work with Apple to resolve the issue. How can we promptly get their attention when the usual channels of communication don't work? On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Tara, yet again you are misrepresenting my comments. In saying that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company, I am not saying they shouldn't have, and I think I made that very clear. Like many people on this list, my life is enriched every day by the fact that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company. And you can find many books and blog posts I've written, as well as media interviews I've done, where I make this point. I am saying, however, that they should be held to no lesser standard than any other screen reader company. When Apple developed their own Maps app in iOS 6, this made them a navigation company. They blew it, big
RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hi, thanks all for your thoughts regarding the replacement of a dedicated Braille notetaker with a Braille display and iDevice. I’m bummed to hear about the Brailliant BI 40. Humanware makes awesome displays, or is it Baum who manufactures their Braille cells? Regardless, the crisp quality is fantastic, and despite their advances in software, it’s a feat HIMS has not been able to match. The problem with the Brailliant is the lack of notetaking support. I need to be able to whip out a display and input data, sometimes in secure environments where Bluetooth and/or wi-fi is not accessible. The Braille Edge seems promising. Cost-wise at $3,000 it’s in the middle of the pack. I much prefer Humanware’s thumb keys to navigate back and forth. I can’t come up with many cons against it come to think of it. The VarioUltra is the next best option, but at $4,000 it’s certainly requiring more of a fascination to justify the expense. It does have notetaking ability and I hear the Braille display quality is superb. If the price weren’t so high... The thought of bypassing iOS and connecting to my Windows ultrabook is another possibility as someone mentioned. Yet, even as small as my ultrabook is, it would still not be as portable as linking up to my phone. I read back over my writing and sound like a whiny brat to myself. Still, it can’t be as difficult as it is to get a good input method down for someone interested in reading Braille! Anyway, thanks guys for entertaining my questions and for your suggestions. Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 3:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Somewhat back to the original inquiry, if Braille is such a vital part of the job, and if you’re an experienced Windows based screen reader, then maybe consider looking into one of those windows based tablets. Dell Venue or Toshiba Encore for example. A 2gb model wont’ run you more than $250.00 and probably less if you really hunt for a deal or don’t’ mind going refurbished or used. Apple is great and all, but perhaps in a circumstance like this, for practicle purposes, going for more robust and reliable Braille support may be the way to go. Perhaps use cloud based services in order to have as much synchronicity on Windows and i-devices as well. Perhaps not ideal since you’d be talking about a totally separate device and reliance on Internet access, but there you go. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Hello Jonnathan. I have two questions for you. 1. When using a focus 40 blue with IOS devices, does the focus ever lock up when you are writing braille? Do you have a 16 32 or 64 bit IOS device? 2. Does Apple have to write drivers for each braille display? What part do the braille display manufacturers play in making sure their devices work with IOS? I'm asking you because you were vice president of Hardware products with Freedom Scientific so your experience here may halp us in our advocacy efforts. As far as the Humanware Firmware update is concerned, it did nothing to resolve the problem of the Brailliant locking up. Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop, then clearly we're dealing with a driver issue, and Apple writes all the drivers to talk to the various Braille displays. No matter what Braille display we're using, we're going to have the contracted input issues because they're a function of iOS. I think frustration is mounting because people have been pointing out these issues for some years now. One thing that hasn't yet been done, and in my view should be, is an Applevis campaign of the month. I've not seen such a campaign for a while now, but Applevis has gone after third-party developers who've provided a less than optimal experience for VO users. So with something as critical as our very literacy, this is an issue that warrants the site's serious attention in my opinion. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hello Folks, I have been following this thread, especially regarding the HW products. I haven't paired my Apex to my iPhone 6 in quite a while. This is because I have chosen my braille input on the phone to use the MBraille app and voice of Alex. I still prefer to read novels and the such on the Apex. I download the books directly from Bookshare on to the device. Hence, one can continue using a braille notetaker for that purpose. My question to those who are using or have used HW products what causes it to lock uf? I would like to give the Apex a second chance with my iPhone 6 once again. Thanks again and I'm with you Sandy in wishing for a full page braille display. Bast, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Joe jsoro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, thanks all for your thoughts regarding the replacement of a dedicated Braille notetaker with a Braille display and iDevice. I’m bummed to hear about the Brailliant BI 40. Humanware makes awesome displays, or is it Baum who manufactures their Braille cells? Regardless, the crisp quality is fantastic, and despite their advances in software, it’s a feat HIMS has not been able to match. The problem with the Brailliant is the lack of notetaking support. I need to be able to whip out a display and input data, sometimes in secure environments where Bluetooth and/or wi-fi is not accessible. The Braille Edge seems promising. Cost-wise at $3,000 it’s in the middle of the pack. I much prefer Humanware’s thumb keys to navigate back and forth. I can’t come up with many cons against it come to think of it. The VarioUltra is the next best option, but at $4,000 it’s certainly requiring more of a fascination to justify the expense. It does have notetaking ability and I hear the Braille display quality is superb. If the price weren’t so high... The thought of bypassing iOS and connecting to my Windows ultrabook is another possibility as someone mentioned. Yet, even as small as my ultrabook is, it would still not be as portable as linking up to my phone. I read back over my writing and sound like a whiny brat to myself. Still, it can’t be as difficult as it is to get a good input method down for someone interested in reading Braille! Anyway, thanks guys for entertaining my questions and for your suggestions. Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 3:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Somewhat back to the original inquiry, if Braille is such a vital part of the job, and if you’re an experienced Windows based screen reader, then maybe consider looking into one of those windows based tablets. Dell Venue or Toshiba Encore for example. A 2gb model wont’ run you more than $250.00 and probably less if you really hunt for a deal or don’t’ mind going refurbished or used. Apple is great and all, but perhaps in a circumstance like this, for practicle purposes, going for more robust and reliable Braille support may be the way to go. Perhaps use cloud based services in order to have as much synchronicity on Windows and i-devices as well. Perhaps not ideal since you’d be talking about a totally separate device and reliance on Internet access, but there you go. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Hello Jonnathan. I have two questions for you. 1. When using a focus 40 blue with IOS devices, does the focus ever lock up when you are writing braille? Do you have a 16 32 or 64 bit IOS device? 2. Does Apple have to write drivers for each braille display? What part do the braille display manufacturers play in making sure their devices work with IOS? I'm asking you because you were vice president of Hardware products with Freedom Scientific so your experience here may halp us in our advocacy efforts. As far as the Humanware Firmware update is concerned, it did nothing to resolve the problem of the Brailliant locking up. Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop,
RE: albums in a list in iTunes?
Why not use the column browser? Make sure you select “Songs” to show all your music in a big listview of all y our songs, then go to the View menu and turn on the column browser. Then you have the ability to select Genre, Artist and Album from a straight forward treeview and based on your selections the last listview shows only the songs based on your selections in the treeview. For example, if you have 3 Eagles albums and you select only Eagles in the artist treeview, all the songs from those 3 albums will be listed.If you select a particular album, only those 10 or 12 songs will be listed and if, for example, you select “Rock” as the Genre then all songs from that Genre will be listed. Of course this assumes all your ripped and downloaded music is properly tagged. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliph Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: albums in a list in iTunes? Okay, I was able to get my 3500 movies in to a list view, instead of a grid view in iTunes. WAs even able to do it for my TV shows. But how do I get the list of albums to show up in a list view, instead of the grid view? Or is this only possible when I go by artist? Thanks. Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV? New user and want quick efficient answers? Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute? Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always patient with you. Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple https://twitter.com/PealTheApple And ask your question there. All are welcome! -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Fleksy Keyboard Upgrade and Fleksy VO Experience
Carol, Thanks so much for your suggestion and at some point this week, I'll have another go at installing the Fleksy Keyboard upgrade again and keep the workaround of turning VO off in my back pocket. I was scrambling trying different things after the problems arose but did not remember or try the VoiceOver one. I'll post back with my results the second time around but I'll make sure I have another encrypted backup before trying it again. I really do depend on Fleksy VO and would love the keyboard to work as well. I'll also comment that I find Fleksy Support to be next to useless. I always receive a response from the same guy who handles their tech support and of the 5 to 8 times I've written them in the last two years, I don't think he's ever replied with anything that made much sense, never mind it being a solution. I know a lot of these support reps are not that familiar with VoiceOver but I'd prefer they just say that rather than offering up something that's inaccurate. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Fleksy Keyboard Upgrade and Fleksy VO Experience Hi Alan, I'm really sorry you have had this disappointment but thought it worth writing this post, even if it comes to nothing. You may recall that a number of us have had qujite severe problems using external keyboards (including the Apple keyboard itself) when double letters would suddenly appear, etc. I remember others suggested they'd solved that problem simply enough by removing VO (with the Tripple click Home), then putting it back again. It works for me every time. My keyboard still goes wrong, mostly when I start to use it from the turn off position. Anyway, I just wondered whether this is the same kind of interrmittent problem which might just respond to the same treatment and enable you to use the new version of Flexy successfully. If you feel you want to give it a go, having just probably now reinstalled the older version, I will be most interested to know if you get success. If you don't want the bother of this then of course I understand that also, but just couldn't resist making the suggestion, knowing the various difficulties I've had with the Apple keyboard since IOS 8 appeared! Do write off list if you prefer. Carol P - Original Message - From: Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com%3e viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 2:23 AM Subject: Fleksy Keyboard Upgrade and Fleksy VO Experience Sending this again but this time with a subject. Hello List, Today, I upgraded to Fleksy Keyboard 5.7.1 which was released on 6/17/15. Since I had asked a question on this list about others' experience with the latest version of Fleksy when also running Fleksy VO on their devices, I thought I'd share my experience. I was very excited when first testing the upgraded Fleksy. After a short time getting used to differences between the Fleksy Keyboard and Fleksy VO swipes, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the app worked well with VoiceOver. The only thing I had a small bother with was that each key typed with the Fleksy keyboard engaged was announced. In Fleksy VO, this could be turned off I believe but I could not figure out how to do that with Fleksy Keyboard. The other difficulty I had was jumping back to the standard iOS keyboard but when I found you could shift from an abbreviated Fleksy keyboard to one showing the spacebar and the alternative keyboard button by doing a two-finger swipe up on the Fleksy keyboard, this issue was resolved. I was really excited when I fired up Fleksy VO and it still seemed to function as it always has for me the last several months. This was not my experience with an earlier version of Fleksy Keyboard. I took pains to type with Fleksy Keyboard in my messages, email, and notes apps and everything seemed to be working just fine. I powered off my iPhone 6 running iOS 8.3 to make sure this had no effect on the Fleksy apps. I also did a hard reset with the home and power buttons. I wanted to make sure that the upgraded app was functioning correctly before making an iTunes backup of my phone post installation. However, at some point, things went awry. I was not able to identify the event that caused things to go south but I started noticing it after resetting my phone. Trying to do a two-finger swipe up on the Fleksy keyboard to switch between its condensed keyboard without the spacebar and the one with it stopped working. In fact, trying to type anything with Fleksy Keyboard stopped working and I would hear the word keypad announced when attempting to type with the keyboard. Removing and reloading the Fleksy keyboard in Settings, General, Keyboards had no effect in correcting the problem. Then, I tried using the Fleksy VO app and it
RE: Composing messages using my iPad
Hi Wendy,By default the cursor should be at the beginning of the message and of your signature. I have actually put 2 blank lines in front of the Sent from my iPhone signature that way when I type an email I don't have to worry about having this right after my final word. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Wendy Alling Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:13 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Composing messages using my iPad Thank you, this worked. So easy. Thanks for the help. Sent from Wendy's iPhone On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:16 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Use a single finger double tap to move the cursor to either the beginning, or the end, of the edit area. The gesture switches between both ends. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 22 Jun 2015, at 04:10, Wendy Alling wendall...@comcast.net wrote: Hi everyone, Whenever I compose a message using my iPad my signature is always at the top of my message. How do I fix this so my signature is at the bottom of my message? Wendy -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: raising volumes on the iPhone
Yes, that actually worked for me! I found it easier than doing it any other way! Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 21 Jun 2015, at 3:01 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I'm not sure about voicemail, but Siri is easy. While Siri is active, just hit the 'volume up' button until you're happy with the setting. I've heard that holding the Home button while hitting 'volume up' can also change Siri's volume without Siri being open. On Jun 20, 2015, at 9:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have somehow managed to get my volumes for Siri and for voicemail to be so low that I cannot hear them. I don’t know this happened. All other volumes seem to be fine. Is there a way to fix this? I have looked in settings under Siri and sounds, but have found nothing and don’t know where to look. Thanks. Kristeen -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Fleksy Keyboard Upgrade and Fleksy VO Experience
The latest Fleksy keyboard seems to work for me most of the time. I like to hear it calling out the letters as I type them. But every now and then that feature stops working for no reason I can work out. As you say, no keyboard is perfect yet! Harry On 21 Jun 2015, at 19:09, 'carol.pearso...@googlemail.com' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi Alan, I'm really sorry you have had this disappointment but thought it worth writing this post, even if it comes to nothing. You may recall that a number of us have had qujite severe problems using external keyboards (including the Apple keyboard itself) when double letters would suddenly appear, etc. I remember others suggested they'd solved that problem simply enough by removing VO (with the Tripple click Home), then putting it back again. It works for me every time. My keyboard still goes wrong, mostly when I start to use it from the turn off position. Anyway, I just wondered whether this is the same kind of interrmittent problem which might just respond to the same treatment and enable you to use the new version of Flexy successfully. If you feel you want to give it a go, having just probably now reinstalled the older version, I will be most interested to know if you get success. If you don't want the bother of this then of course I understand that also, but just couldn't resist making the suggestion, knowing the various difficulties I've had with the Apple keyboard since IOS 8 appeared! Do write off list if you prefer. Carol P - Original Message - From: Alan Lemly To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 2:23 AM Subject: Fleksy Keyboard Upgrade and Fleksy VO Experience Sending this again but this time with a subject. Hello List, Today, I upgraded to Fleksy Keyboard 5.7.1 which was released on 6/17/15. Since I had asked a question on this list about others' experience with the latest version of Fleksy when also running Fleksy VO on their devices, I thought I'd share my experience. I was very excited when first testing the upgraded Fleksy. After a short time getting used to differences between the Fleksy Keyboard and Fleksy VO swipes, I was pleasantly surprised to find that the app worked well with VoiceOver. The only thing I had a small bother with was that each key typed with the Fleksy keyboard engaged was announced. In Fleksy VO, this could be turned off I believe but I could not figure out how to do that with Fleksy Keyboard. The other difficulty I had was jumping back to the standard iOS keyboard but when I found you could shift from an abbreviated Fleksy keyboard to one showing the spacebar and the alternative keyboard button by doing a two-finger swipe up on the Fleksy keyboard, this issue was resolved. I was really excited when I fired up Fleksy VO and it still seemed to function as it always has for me the last several months. This was not my experience with an earlier version of Fleksy Keyboard. I took pains to type with Fleksy Keyboard in my messages, email, and notes apps and everything seemed to be working just fine. I powered off my iPhone 6 running iOS 8.3 to make sure this had no effect on the Fleksy apps. I also did a hard reset with the home and power buttons. I wanted to make sure that the upgraded app was functioning correctly before making an iTunes backup of my phone post installation. However, at some point, things went awry. I was not able to identify the event that caused things to go south but I started noticing it after resetting my phone. Trying to do a two-fingerswipe up on the Fleksy keyboard to switch between its condensed keyboard without the spacebar and the one with it stopped working. In fact, trying to type anything with Fleksy Keyboard stopped working and I would hear the word keypad announced when attempting to type with the keyboard. Removing and reloading the Fleksy keyboard in Settings, General, Keyboards had no effect in correcting the problem. Then, I tried using the Fleksy VO app and it was totally messed up too. This is what I've experienced with past upgrades of the Fleksy Keyboard app but at least the problems took longer to appear. I ended up restoring my iTunes encrypted backup I had made before testing the Fleksy Keyboard upgrade in order to return to a functioning Fleksy VO app upon which I depend mightily for iPhone input. I guess I'll be hopeful that they'll eventually get Fleksy Keyboard to function well for VoiceOver users but I'm more than a little discouraged and a lot pessimistic. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
Re: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted
To each his own. It's kind of like asking which car is the best, etc. You'll get almost as many answers as there are people that you ask. Andy -Original Message- From: M. Taylor Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 11:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted Hello, I strongly recommend against purchasing a Plantronics Legend Bluetooth headset. A friend of mine just purchased one and I can honestly say, in my opinion, it does not hold up to the standard I have come to expect from Plantronics. Add to that the fact that the Legend uses a proprietary charging connector. The following is an excerpt from a post I sent to the list a while ago regarding my current and, might I add, favorite Bluetooth headset: [begin excerpt]: But to be quite honest, my absolute favorite model, at this point in time, for GPS navigation, podcasts, phone discussions, SMS replies etc, is my tiny little Plantronics Edge Bluetooth device. It is a one-ear headset. To me, it does not impede any ambient noise and is so light that I often forget I am wearing it. It has all of the advanced features common to all high end Bluetooth devices including the ability to pause playback of music/podcasts. It is so small that it sits in the ear but does not go into the ear canal. It does not require the use of an over-the-ear hook. It is a fabulous piece of technology. [END EXCERPT] Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted I liked my trusty Plantronics M50, but it finally died a few weeks ago. What I really liked about it was the fact that it had a power switch you could just flick to turn on and connect to the phone. I've been putting a few models through their paces and am now on the Plantronics Voyager Edge. So far, so good. I've stuck to Plantronics as they for the most part have the power switch instead of a button that has to to be pressed and held to turn on. I tried the M55 and while a lot of people say it works for them, I just was not convinced. Chooppy audio connectivity issues and it felt cheap in my hand. The Voyager Legend didn't convince me either. Especially not for the $80.00 price tag. Similar choppy audio issues with the call quality not being anything sepcial. Anyway, in short, those are my quick thoughts. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Casey Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted hi I only need a single ear piece. For talking on my phone hands free and it has to have good noise cans elation and good audio for the person to hear me when I am talking to them. I would also like it to be useable no matter what ear I would like to use it in. Do any of your have the jaw bone ones or the jabra ear pieces if so witch ones and how well do you like them? That you all ahead of time for any and all suggestions that I may get. -- Casey -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
In 1998 Dean Blazie said that refreshable Braille cells cost between $80 and $100 each. Unfortunately, since then there has been little if any reduction in that price. There are only a few manufacturers of these cells, and in business terms, the market is just too small to foster any way that they can reduce prices and still make enough to feed their employees. Andy -Original Message- From: Marianne Denning Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Sadly, the cost of each braille cell is very expensive so the companies must pass that cost on to the people who purchase their products. There is some work taking place to develop less expensive braille cells but I don't know how soon those are expected to be sold. On 6/21/15, TaraPrakash taraprak...@gmail.com wrote: All the points about the utility of Braille are well taken, Jonathan's concern about survival about Braille, and that those who know Braille are more successful in employment field is also agreeable to me (Even if I am not sure the source of this statistics that Jonathan quoted in his response addressed to me..) The problem for me is his assertion that Apple has decided to become a screen reader company etc What I read in that comment is a suggestion that Apple shouldn't have ventured in to providing screen support as there are specialists for it. That somehow the assistive technology specialist companies are doing a better job for promotion of braille than apple. So, here is my suggestion for humanware and freedom scientific who are likely to listen to Jonathan, whose work with those companies has been commendable; and these companies hardly face any resolution against them in the conventions of blindness organizations who represent the blind. Let Freedom Scientific and Humanware make the braille note takers at the same price as the price of their note takers without braille. Voice sense, voice note and Packmate without Braille display sell for around 3500. with braille option they sell close to 6500. Why that extra price for Braille? Is it acceptable at all to have these devices without braille as they are meant for the purpose of the blind and it has been established that blind are more successful if they learn braille? Even if they well their devices without Braille, is it acceptable that they charge so much extra for their Braille note takers? I would like some comments on that. Now, you may say that it's okay charge me extra but give me a better braille support but I am not sure if that will be acceptable to those who seem to speak for all of us with regard to braille. I am sorry I do not want to cause any debate about this issue on this list, but when someone linked with blindness speciality devices and software suggest that if apple has come in to screen reading support , it has to be perfect, I find myself very skeptical about the added justiification about survival of braille and literacy etc. True apple's braille support is not perfect, but it will be wrong to assume that a dedicated note taker is going to perform any better for you than an I device with a braille display. braille note takers are improving but they are not still the paragons of perfection. the makers of those devices claim that they are fully functional computers, those who have those note takers know that they are anything but. They are still slow, clunky and love to hang from time to time. I would suggest to schedule a meeting with an organization that sells these note takers, and work on them for an hour or so. make sure to try their web browser, and their capacity to play large books. and then decide about purchasing a dedicated note taker. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2015, at 10:29 PM, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Sometimes I wonder if just because we ask Apple to provide better Braille display support, people think we are unnecessarily critical of Apple. I am forever grateful to Apple for building in accessibility to all of its products. What Apple has done over the last six years is positively wonderful. I never thought I’d be able to do so many things with a visual device, and pay the same price as everyone else. But that does not mean that blind people cannot and should not point out a flaw and demand better in a product. I listen to other podcasts having nothing to do with accessibility and Apple, and the sighted community is not hesitant to say when something needs to work better. If one of the screen reader companies fails to provide proper Braille display support in Windows, those of us, who use Windows are all over the company. Requesting good Braille input and output on an Apple device is not a ridiculous one. apple is the only one who can make the braille display support better. I don’t know if Apple cannot or will not make the Braille experience better. But voiceover belongs to apple, and I
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
I've gotten used to it but still prefer contracted Braille. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com wrote: That’s fine as long as you are not writing for publication. Andy From: Brett Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice I personally don’t use UEB. I find it faster to read and write in contracted braille than in UEB and since the only time I read Braille these days is either with my computer or iPhone, I don’t really see any reason for me to use UEB when its slower and I am able to pick the type of output I want anyway. I don’t read Braille books these days, plus its too hard to get anything I would actually want to read in Braille in a paper format these days. Just my thoughts. Cheers, Brett. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Quinn Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2015 11:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice It does. I've almost been thinking of going back to the regular English braille instead of UEB just because it takes up less room. I hope Apple doesn't take out that option. Though they may, considering that everyone has switched to it by the time IOS 9 comes out. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Agreed; contracted braille is really important to me when I have to read it. It's faster and, vitally in today's market of tiny cell counts, more fits on one line. The OP asked specifically about 32-cell units, and if you think about it, even those are quite small compared to what a sighted person can see on an iPhone's screen. The more that can fit, the better. I love UEB for removing the ambiguities, but the trade-off is that it takes up more room, especially as you start using it for math or science. On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi David. I think this is a separate issue from what we are discussing. I disagree with you because as someone who must read a lot for public presentations and audio production work, I find contracted Braille helps me process information much more quickly than uncontracted Braille. That's important for fluency. But it's an interesting discussion. UEB has significantly reduced translation ambiguities. In the end though, this is a decision for blind people to make. Braille belongs to us. We should not be forced to alter our practices due to a single company's inability or unwillingness to get their Braille implementation right. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 20/06/2015, at 9:35 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, I respectfully disagree with you about braille. Contracted braille is like print shorthand. It became mainstream because braille is so large on paper, so it was developed to drastically reduce the footprint of braille. Now that we have electronic braille, we should be learning and teaching computer braille rather than noncontracted and contracted literary braille. This would give us blind people parity with sighted people. We would not need to rely, in any way, on contracted braille translators which cause much complications with computer interfaces. A few years ago, the AFB published a study where some blind children were taught using computer braille. There was no difference in learning or information retention between those children and children who are taught using contracted literary braille. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jun 2015, at 17:31, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without appropriately robust Braille input being available. As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen reader company. They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It is
Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
In my opinion the firmware update doesn't do anything to resolve the issue. On Jun 21, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex. It is so frustrating that the brailliant looses the contact to the phone when writing, it has become better in the last firmware update, but the problem is still present. The display is a really great display, and in my opinion one of the best except for that bug. It would be great if it could be fixed. Best regards Annie. Den 21/06/2015 kl. 16.15 skrev Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com: I do agree that braille input on iOS needs work. As to locking up, though, is this only in the Humanware displays? Those who follow me probably know I strongly dislike Humanware as a company, because of out-of-date and broken features, promises they failed to deliver on, and a tendency to blame other companies for their shortcomings. For example, when I used an Apex with my iPod all the time, delete was space-d and enter was space-e. This made the enter command especially annoying, because you had to hit a special command before the Apex would pass space-e along instead of reading it as the 'exit' command. When I asked HW why they didn't use dots 7 and 8 like all the other braille displays, they blamed Apple. When I asked about the scroll wheel not being supported, they blamed Apple. When I asked why, in later versions of Keysoft, the Apex would randomly lock up and need a reset while connected to iOS, they blamed Apple. The thing is, no other display I've used or heard of has these problems, and even the Apex didn't lock up until KS9.2, if memory serves. It was working fine, then, after a Keysoft update, it wasn't. Humanware just blamed Apple, and, as far as I know, *still* hasn't fixed anything. Now I'm hearing that the Brailliant displays do the same thing, and I have to wonder if this isn't yet another Humanware quality control problem. All that to say: if it were me, I'd get a display from any company except Humanware. Yes, input needs work, and that's all Apple, but some of the AT companies aren't exactly paragons of great hardware and software. On Jun 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop, then clearly we're dealing with a driver issue, and Apple writes all the drivers to talk to the various Braille displays. No matter what Braille display we're using, we're going to have the contracted input issues because they're a function of iOS. I think frustration is mounting because people have been pointing out these issues for some years now. One thing that hasn't yet been done, and in my view should be, is an Applevis campaign of the month. I've not seen such a campaign for a while now, but Applevis has gone after third-party developers who've provided a less than optimal experience for VO users. So with something as critical as our very literacy, this is an issue that warrants the site's serious attention in my opinion. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 11:31 pm, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everybody. I would like to make this discussion practical. I have chosen not to purchase a dedicated notetaker when a laptop and screen reader give me more features more timely and at a lower price. Sometimes I don't want to carry a laptop. Since Apple has built braille display support into Voiceover, I expect it to be properly implemented and to work flawlessly. I own a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 and a 16 gig iPhone 5S. I can read all day long but when I write, the BI 40 locks up and by the time I recover I've missed some notes during meetings, etc. I've tried to work with both companies. Instead of solving the problem, they are blaming each other. Since Apple has the resources and controls the environment I expect Apple to take the lead and I expect Humanware to work with Apple to resolve the issue. How can we promptly get their attention when the usual channels of communication don't work? On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Tara, yet again you are misrepresenting my comments. In saying that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company, I am not saying they shouldn't have, and I think I made that very clear. Like many people on this list, my life is enriched every day by the fact that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company. And you can find many books and blog posts I've
RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
Hello Jonnathan. I have two questions for you. 1. When using a focus 40 blue with IOS devices, does the focus ever lock up when you are writing braille? Do you have a 16 32 or 64 bit IOS device? 2. Does Apple have to write drivers for each braille display? What part do the braille display manufacturers play in making sure their devices work with IOS? I'm asking you because you were vice president of Hardware products with Freedom Scientific so your experience here may halp us in our advocacy efforts. As far as the Humanware Firmware update is concerned, it did nothing to resolve the problem of the Brailliant locking up. Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 7:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice Hi Paul, I wish I had a better answer other than continuing to write to Apple Accessibility, and putting pressure on via those who make the purchasing decisions about these devices. We have to stand firm and let them know the implementation isn't fit for purpose. You're absolutely on the right track with your diagnosis. If your display is working fine with other solutions such as a laptop, then clearly we're dealing with a driver issue, and Apple writes all the drivers to talk to the various Braille displays. No matter what Braille display we're using, we're going to have the contracted input issues because they're a function of iOS. I think frustration is mounting because people have been pointing out these issues for some years now. One thing that hasn't yet been done, and in my view should be, is an Applevis campaign of the month. I've not seen such a campaign for a while now, but Applevis has gone after third-party developers who've provided a less than optimal experience for VO users. So with something as critical as our very literacy, this is an issue that warrants the site's serious attention in my opinion. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 11:31 pm, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net mailto:prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everybody. I would like to make this discussion practical. I have chosen not to purchase a dedicated notetaker when a laptop and screen reader give me more features more timely and at a lower price. Sometimes I don't want to carry a laptop. Since Apple has built braille display support into Voiceover, I expect it to be properly implemented and to work flawlessly. I own a Humanware Brailliant BI 40 and a 16 gig iPhone 5S. I can read all day long but when I write, the BI 40 locks up and by the time I recover I've missed some notes during meetings, etc. I've tried to work with both companies. Instead of solving the problem, they are blaming each other. Since Apple has the resources and controls the environment I expect Apple to take the lead and I expect Humanware to work with Apple to resolve the issue. How can we promptly get their attention when the usual channels of communication don't work? On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Tara, yet again you are misrepresenting my comments. In saying that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company, I am not saying they shouldn't have, and I think I made that very clear. Like many people on this list, my life is enriched every day by the fact that Apple has chosen to be a screen reader company. And you can find many books and blog posts I've written, as well as media interviews I've done, where I make this point. I am saying, however, that they should be held to no lesser standard than any other screen reader company. When Apple developed their own Maps app in iOS 6, this made them a navigation company. They blew it, big time, consumers objected, and Apple made a course correction. That's because, quite rightly, consumers held Apple to the same standard that they did other maps providers. Let me reiterate that I don't beleive a notetaker is the best choice in all situations. A good PC or Windows tablet will be far cheaper, and in some cases, far better, for many people. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 4:19 pm, TaraPrakash taraprak...@gmail.com mailto:taraprak...@gmail.com wrote: All the points about the utility of Braille are well taken, Jonathan's concern about survival about Braille, and that those who know Braille are more successful in employment field is also agreeable to me (Even if I am not sure the source of this statistics that Jonathan quoted in his response addressed to me..) The problem for me is his assertion that Apple has decided to become a screen reader company etc What I read in that comment is a suggestion that Apple shouldn't have ventured in to providing
RE: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice
I personally don’t use UEB. I find it faster to read and write in contracted braille than in UEB and since the only time I read Braille these days is either with my computer or iPhone, I don’t really see any reason for me to use UEB when its slower and I am able to pick the type of output I want anyway. I don’t read Braille books these days, plus its too hard to get anything I would actually want to read in Braille in a paper format these days. Just my thoughts. Cheers, Brett. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Quinn Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2015 11:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Replacing Braille Notetaker with iDevice It does. I've almost been thinking of going back to the regular English braille instead of UEB just because it takes up less room. I hope Apple doesn't take out that option. Though they may, considering that everyone has switched to it by the time IOS 9 comes out. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Agreed; contracted braille is really important to me when I have to read it. It's faster and, vitally in today's market of tiny cell counts, more fits on one line. The OP asked specifically about 32-cell units, and if you think about it, even those are quite small compared to what a sighted person can see on an iPhone's screen. The more that can fit, the better. I love UEB for removing the ambiguities, but the trade-off is that it takes up more room, especially as you start using it for math or science. On Jun 20, 2015, at 4:32 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi David. I think this is a separate issue from what we are discussing. I disagree with you because as someone who must read a lot for public presentations and audio production work, I find contracted Braille helps me process information much more quickly than uncontracted Braille. That's important for fluency. But it's an interesting discussion. UEB has significantly reduced translation ambiguities. In the end though, this is a decision for blind people to make. Braille belongs to us. We should not be forced to alter our practices due to a single company's inability or unwillingness to get their Braille implementation right. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ On 20/06/2015, at 9:35 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Jonathan, I respectfully disagree with you about braille. Contracted braille is like print shorthand. It became mainstream because braille is so large on paper, so it was developed to drastically reduce the footprint of braille. Now that we have electronic braille, we should be learning and teaching computer braille rather than noncontracted and contracted literary braille. This would give us blind people parity with sighted people. We would not need to rely, in any way, on contracted braille translators which cause much complications with computer interfaces. A few years ago, the AFB published a study where some blind children were taught using computer braille. There was no difference in learning or information retention between those children and children who are taught using contracted literary braille. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 20 Jun 2015, at 17:31, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Joe, I want to address your question about Braille input in iOS. In my view it is not fit for purpose. I don't know what it is about Braille input Apple doesn't get, whether the blind people they consult with about these things aren't Braille users, or what the deal is. They have the financial and technical resources to fix the issues if they were of a mind to, but sadly it appears we are going to see another major release of iOS without appropriately robust Braille input being available. As you know, some manufacturers have chosen to do Apple's work for them, and work around the woeful Braille input in iOS by keeping text in a buffer, then sending it to iOS all at once. I guess this is a pragmatic response, but it also let's Apple off the hook. Apple is a mainstream technology company, but they have also made the choice to be a screen reader company, and I don't believe they should be held to any lesser standard than any other screen reader company. They are receiving awards and praise and I don't begrudge them any of it. It is well deserved. But those of us who are passionate about not just the spread of Braille, but the very survival of Braille, need to stand up and be counted. There's no doubt that notetaker products can no longer keep up with the phrenetic pace of technology, if they
RE: Calendar events in different time zones
What you do is set it for the time zone you will be in. After the start and stop times there is a field for time zone. I used this on a recent trip out of my time zone. Alarms worked in the new time zone. When I looked at an event, it would give me times for home and the time zone I was visiting. I think it said things like: Flight #000 at 10:05 (8:05 Mountain) Eric -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Calendar events in different timezones Hi Wayne, I don't use Fantastical 2 but last year when I set up NFB convention events in Outlook, I mistakenly set them with their actual eastern timezone times even though I'm also located in the central timezone. When I got to Orlando for the convention, all the event times were automatically advanced by an hour to reflect eastern time. I don't know what setting I could have changed to avoid this if any but if I make any appointments in Outlook for this year's convention, I'm going to use central time and record them an hour earlier than scheduled. I have a hard time wrapping my brain around how Outlook handles this timezone stuff and I wish I could set it to assume the times entered were for the timezone where the event is held. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Merritt Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:50 PM To: viphone Subject: Calendar events in different timezones All, I asked this question a few months ago, but want to make sure I understand everything once again. I am going to Orlando for the NFB national convention in a couple of weeks. I live in the Central timezone. However, since I am scheduling a few appointments using Fantastical 2 which happen in Florida, I want to make sure my times and appointments will not get all messed up when I get to Florida. I have timezone support on my phone turned on, so does that mean that when I go from Central to Eastern that my appointments will automatically adjust the time or will they stay at the same time? I find this whole issue of changing timezones very confusing so could someone please explain simply and put me at ease. Thanks, Wayne -- Follow me on Twitter at: www.twitter.com/wcmerritt My websites: www.wayneism.com www.whitecaneday.org -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing
You can also ask Siri which song is this, and it will tell you. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2015, at 11:13 PM, Terry-Ann Saurmann tsaurm...@access4less.net wrote: Yes, I believe that it is now called Shazam. Terry - Original Message - From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:47 PM Subject: Re: App that tell wich song and artist playing Isn't that Shazam. Andy -Original Message- From: Terje Strømberg Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:34 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Strømberg Cc: Terje Strømberg Subject: App that tell wich song and artist playing Hi, Do you know about an app for iPhone that is accessible with voice over, that tell wich song and artis playing on radio? Take care -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I'm not wearing a diaper, so don't try to change me. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Help needed restoring quicknav for my bluetooth keyboard on my IPad please
Hi all Really hoping someone can help me with this, as I'm desperate for ideas. I was using my IPad last night with quicknav, and everything was going fine. All of a sudden quicknav stopped working for no reason at all/with no explanation. I tried everything to fix it (took the batteries out, re-paired it, etc etc), but with no jooy at all. I even paired the keyboard from my IPhone with the IPad to see if that would work, but as soon as it was paired the quicknav didn't function. I then paired the keyboard from my IPad to my IPhone, and the quicknav worked fine! So clearly it's not the keyboard that's at fault, but some setting or somethingg on the IPad which must have been altered/gone wrong. So was wondering if anyone had any ideas what's gone wrong on my IPad and how I can fix it?? Any help with this really would be very very much appreciated, as I want to go back to be able to using my IPad fully with my bluetooth keyboard. Thanks in advance. Eleanor Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Help needed restoring quicknav for my bluetooth keyboard on my IPad please
Hi Eleanor. YOu can turn quicknav on and off by pressing the left and right arrow keys together. It's a toggle, so maybe it got toggled off accidentally. Jonathan Mosen, Mosen Consulting Blindness technology information, eBooks and training http://Mosen.org On 21/06/2015, at 8:10 pm, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi all Really hoping someone can help me with this, as I'm desperate for ideas. I was using my IPad last night with quicknav, and everything was going fine. All of a sudden quicknav stopped working for no reason at all/with no explanation. I tried everything to fix it (took the batteries out, re-paired it, etc etc), but with no jooy at all. I even paired the keyboard from my IPhone with the IPad to see if that would work, but as soon as it was paired the quicknav didn't function. I then paired the keyboard from my IPad to my IPhone, and the quicknav worked fine! So clearly it's not the keyboard that's at fault, but some setting or somethingg on the IPad which must have been altered/gone wrong. So was wondering if anyone had any ideas what's gone wrong on my IPad and how I can fix it?? Any help with this really would be very very much appreciated, as I want to go back to be able to using my IPad fully with my bluetooth keyboard. Thanks in advance. Eleanor Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted
Hello, I strongly recommend against purchasing a Plantronics Legend Bluetooth headset. A friend of mine just purchased one and I can honestly say, in my opinion, it does not hold up to the standard I have come to expect from Plantronics. Add to that the fact that the Legend uses a proprietary charging connector. The following is an excerpt from a post I sent to the list a while ago regarding my current and, might I add, favorite Bluetooth headset: [begin excerpt]: But to be quite honest, my absolute favorite model, at this point in time, for GPS navigation, podcasts, phone discussions, SMS replies etc, is my tiny little Plantronics Edge Bluetooth device. It is a one-ear headset. To me, it does not impede any ambient noise and is so light that I often forget I am wearing it. It has all of the advanced features common to all high end Bluetooth devices including the ability to pause playback of music/podcasts. It is so small that it sits in the ear but does not go into the ear canal. It does not require the use of an over-the-ear hook. It is a fabulous piece of technology. [END EXCERPT] Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted I liked my trusty Plantronics M50, but it finally died a few weeks ago. What I really liked about it was the fact that it had a power switch you could just flick to turn on and connect to the phone. I've been putting a few models through their paces and am now on the Plantronics Voyager Edge. So far, so good. I've stuck to Plantronics as they for the most part have the power switch instead of a button that has to to be pressed and held to turn on. I tried the M55 and while a lot of people say it works for them, I just was not convinced. Chooppy audio connectivity issues and it felt cheap in my hand. The Voyager Legend didn't convince me either. Especially not for the $80.00 price tag. Similar choppy audio issues with the call quality not being anything sepcial. Anyway, in short, those are my quick thoughts. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Casey Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: good blutooth ear piece reccamentions wanted hi I only need a single ear piece. For talking on my phone hands free and it has to have good noise cans elation and good audio for the person to hear me when I am talking to them. I would also like it to be useable no matter what ear I would like to use it in. Do any of your have the jaw bone ones or the jabra ear pieces if so witch ones and how well do you like them? That you all ahead of time for any and all suggestions that I may get. -- Casey -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can
RE: My speaker phone and speaker quality
Hello Teri, Is your 4 S in a phone case? If so, I strongly suggest that you remove it from the case and see what happens. Many of the cases made for the 4 / 4 S were not designed correctly and, consequently, caused the problems that you described. Also, make sure that you restart the phone at least once a day. Good Luck, Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of princessterr...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:51 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My speaker phone and speaker quality Hello everyone, I have some questions about my phones speaker. I am hoping someone can help me. First of all why does my phone go to the speaker so much? Is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening? It really drives me crazy! By the way I have a 4s. Also when my phone does go to speaker, I am told that the sound is muffled. I am told that I sound like I am in a hole. Is there a way to fix this? Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you, Terri Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
