Re: ios 11

[Kelly Pierce]

Apple supports phones with new iOS versions for five years after the
first release.  This means that updates will end for the 5s in fall
2018.  this is why I do not recommend buying older phones.


Kelly

On 6/5/17, christopher hallsworth  wrote:
> I predict the 5s will be the earliest phone to run iOS 11, not seen anything
> yet in the IDB (IDownloadBlog) app to confirm this, and you guessed it, I'm
> not watching the live stream tonight, will catch up later on in the week.
>> On 5 Jun 2017, at 13:41, rajmund  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> No, but we may hear something today.
>>
>> - Original Message -
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>> Subject: ios 11
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>> Has anyone heard any news concerning ioS11 and the 5S?
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Re: ios 11

[Scott Berry]

Have you gone to Apple and read the latest on IOS 11 I am not going to tell you 
whether it’s supported.  You need to read for yourself that’s why the material 
is up there to read.


> On Jun 4, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Robert Doc Wright  
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Re: My thoughts on some of the announcements, was: Apple announces iOS 11 with new features and redesigned App Store

[Kelly Pierce]

I will be listening to the keynote in the next few days. From what I
read, it all sounded like a lot of me too.  Other vendors are offering
person to person money transfers.  the recipient will need to have
iMessage enabled and it will only be available in the United States at
first.  I noticed that people still like to receive physical paper
money than a check or a credit card.  People like to get tipped in
cash. Wen I pay the owner of my gym my membership fee, he is happy to
receive $100 bills in his hand and save $10 in credit card fees.

Kelly

On 6/5/17, lenron brown  wrote:
> I am looking forward to watching amazon video on my Apple tv. Siri
> needs to improve in a major way though.
>
> On 6/5/17, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> Before the keynote, I heard a rumor that perhaps Handoff would be
>> enhanced with the Apple TV getting involved. Perhaps one could handoff
>> their Apple Music playlist from their iPhone to the Apple TV. I found
>> this very interesting, and hopefully it is included with the
>> forthcoming updates to iOS and TVOS. I listen to some playlists on my
>> Apple TV so I can see myself using a feature like this. I also thought
>> Apple was saying, "Me too," with respect to siri. A new voice and
>> language translation of key phrases? Really? What about Siri correctly
>> understanding syntax. For instance, I can ask Siri if it is going to
>> rain tonight and get a good answer. If I then ask, "What about
>> tomorrow?" Siri has no idea what I'm talking about. Compare that with
>> some of the range of results people are getting with Google and Alexa,
>> and Siri has a bit to catch up to. Hopefully the fall update to the
>> iPhone will give us more of a wow factor. There were a few other
>> things I heard today which were interesting to me, but nothing huge,
>> aside from that short bit about being able to watch Amazon Video on
>> the Appple TV. That's huge, and will make my wife really happy since
>> she watches a lot of shows and movies with Amazon Video.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 6/5/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> The new speaker does sound interesting. It's pricey, so it better sound
>>> a
>>> whole lot better than anything else you can get for a lot less. And for
>>> me,
>>> the Achilles' heel is still Siri. I know there's time between now and
>>> release, and they did talk about deep learning or whatever other geeky
>>> sounding term they come up with. So I suppose there is hope. But Google
>>> is
>>> clearly the leader here. Apple has a lot of catching up
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 They forgot to mention the new "HomePod" which is Apple's competitor to
 the Amazon Echo and Google Home except that it sounds like it will be a
 much higher quality audio experience, a true HiFi speaker which can
 work
 as a stand-alone speaker or as a pair and I think this will be the true
 competition for Sonos. I think Sonos has made a mistake by not making
 all
 their speakers and devices Airplay capable and as somebody who loves
 Sonos
 and has invested a fair bit in Sonos this is a bit disappointing. I
 don't
 necessarily see myself getting rid of my living room Playbar, Sub and
 Play
 1 set as rear speakers, but since I bought a lot of my Sonos gear
 before
 any of the stand-alone speakers like the Play 1, Play 3 and Play 5 came
 out, I have 3 Connect Amp devices in the bedroom, bathroom and kitchen
 and
 those are connected to in-wall or in-ceiling speakers. I could easily
 see
 myself replacing them with the HomePod (especially a set of them in the
 bedroom and a single one in the kitchen and I would then use those two
 Sonos Connect Amps at my retail business to drive the speakers I have
 downstairs, upstairs and outside. Currently I use a single Connect
 which
 is connected to my 22-year old Onkyo receiver and a 4-port speaker
 switch,
 but if each set of speakers would have their own Connect Amp that would
 make it even easier in terms of adjusting the volume independently and
 even playing different things upstairs and downstairs.
 At $349 US the HomePod is even substantially less than a Sonos Play 5
 and
 from the description I would hazard a guess and say that it may sound
 very
 good as well with its array of 7 tweeters and a 4-inch wover. Of course
 the fact I can simply say "Hey SIRI" followed by what I want to listen
 to
 is very tempting, we have an Apple Music family subscription so the
 integration would be awesome. One thing I am curious about and I'm sure
 we'll find out is how it would work for different users, e.g. my wife
 of
 course has her own music and listens to a lot of filipino music whereas
 my
 library and recommendations are much different. Hopefully Apple will

MP3 download of WWDC 2017 keynote

[Kelly Pierce]

Below is a link to download an audio MP3 file of the keynote
presentation at Apples 2017 World Wide Developer Conference.  I
converted the file so I can listen on the go on my Victor Stream or on
my iPhone without using a data connection.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ih2n2czyw7jcesf/wwdc_2017_sd.mp3?dl=0

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Re: Editing large chunks of text

[Stephanie Mitchell]

I tried this app but found it difficult to use. I use an app called byword. It's easy to use. I love markdown by the way.
Steph 
On 06/06/2017 3:00 am, Michael Feir  wrote:I would second the recommendation to use a Bluetooth keyboard for major text editing. I really like an app called Ulysses. It uses a Markdown language and that lets you know precisely what your formatting commands will do. Also, you can divide long documents into sheets which can be grouped. That lets you change their order very easily. A pricy choice at around $30 Canadian when I bought it but it's been worth every penny for me. One of the best apps I've ever come across. On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:37 PM Richard Turner  wrote:I have not used Pages in a long time.  I never got it working very well with VoiceOver.
Do you have a Bluetooth keyboard?  That might be better.  I don't recall it working that well with gestures.

Perhaps a Pages users will chime in.

Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Bell
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 9:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Editing large chunks of text

Sorry, iOS 10.3.2 and trying to navigate and edit using Pages.
Thanks
Harry

> On 5 Jun 2017, at 17:05, Richard Turner  wrote:
>
> It would help to know what app you are using.
> I know you know you have to be in a place where VoiceOver says editing, but even that can behave differently depending on the app.
> Are you truly using 10.2, not 10.3.2?
>
> Richard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Harry Bell
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 8:45 AM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Editing large chunks of text
>
> I'm looking for instructions on how to move through and edit large chunks of text on iPhone 7 plus or iPad Air running iOS 10.2. I try delecting Words or Lines in the rotor but mostly when I swipe, the cursor still mover by character. And if I get voiceover to read continuously then pause and try to use Text Selection at that point, the cursor does not start where Voiceover left off reading. Can someone point me to a set of instructions for such text navigation and editing?
> Thanks
> Harry
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strange voiceover problem in safari on newest ios?

[Anouk Radix]

Hi everyone, I dont use safari on ios a lot but I did today. I found a strange 
seemingly bug with voiceover when trying to read wikipedia. My normal language 
is dutch but I have alex as well and that gets used with englis wikipedia. I 
read wikipedia pages by swiping down with 2 fingers from top of screen so that 
page gets read in its entirity. however with pages that have a table which some 
wikipedia pages do voiceover totally freezes and i cant seem to do anything I 
have to exit the app with the home button and can only read the page by swiping 
right on it and not by using 2 finger swipe down from top.
I was wondering if others are experiencing this as well?
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: My thoughts on some of the announcements, was: Apple announces iOS 11 with new features and redesigned App Store

[lenron brown]

I am looking forward to watching amazon video on my Apple tv. Siri
needs to improve in a major way though.

On 6/5/17, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> Before the keynote, I heard a rumor that perhaps Handoff would be
> enhanced with the Apple TV getting involved. Perhaps one could handoff
> their Apple Music playlist from their iPhone to the Apple TV. I found
> this very interesting, and hopefully it is included with the
> forthcoming updates to iOS and TVOS. I listen to some playlists on my
> Apple TV so I can see myself using a feature like this. I also thought
> Apple was saying, "Me too," with respect to siri. A new voice and
> language translation of key phrases? Really? What about Siri correctly
> understanding syntax. For instance, I can ask Siri if it is going to
> rain tonight and get a good answer. If I then ask, "What about
> tomorrow?" Siri has no idea what I'm talking about. Compare that with
> some of the range of results people are getting with Google and Alexa,
> and Siri has a bit to catch up to. Hopefully the fall update to the
> iPhone will give us more of a wow factor. There were a few other
> things I heard today which were interesting to me, but nothing huge,
> aside from that short bit about being able to watch Amazon Video on
> the Appple TV. That's huge, and will make my wife really happy since
> she watches a lot of shows and movies with Amazon Video.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 6/5/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> The new speaker does sound interesting. It's pricey, so it better sound a
>> whole lot better than anything else you can get for a lot less. And for
>> me,
>> the Achilles' heel is still Siri. I know there's time between now and
>> release, and they did talk about deep learning or whatever other geeky
>> sounding term they come up with. So I suppose there is hope. But Google
>> is
>> clearly the leader here. Apple has a lot of catching up
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> They forgot to mention the new "HomePod" which is Apple's competitor to
>>> the Amazon Echo and Google Home except that it sounds like it will be a
>>> much higher quality audio experience, a true HiFi speaker which can work
>>> as a stand-alone speaker or as a pair and I think this will be the true
>>> competition for Sonos. I think Sonos has made a mistake by not making
>>> all
>>> their speakers and devices Airplay capable and as somebody who loves
>>> Sonos
>>> and has invested a fair bit in Sonos this is a bit disappointing. I
>>> don't
>>> necessarily see myself getting rid of my living room Playbar, Sub and
>>> Play
>>> 1 set as rear speakers, but since I bought a lot of my Sonos gear before
>>> any of the stand-alone speakers like the Play 1, Play 3 and Play 5 came
>>> out, I have 3 Connect Amp devices in the bedroom, bathroom and kitchen
>>> and
>>> those are connected to in-wall or in-ceiling speakers. I could easily
>>> see
>>> myself replacing them with the HomePod (especially a set of them in the
>>> bedroom and a single one in the kitchen and I would then use those two
>>> Sonos Connect Amps at my retail business to drive the speakers I have
>>> downstairs, upstairs and outside. Currently I use a single Connect which
>>> is connected to my 22-year old Onkyo receiver and a 4-port speaker
>>> switch,
>>> but if each set of speakers would have their own Connect Amp that would
>>> make it even easier in terms of adjusting the volume independently and
>>> even playing different things upstairs and downstairs.
>>> At $349 US the HomePod is even substantially less than a Sonos Play 5
>>> and
>>> from the description I would hazard a guess and say that it may sound
>>> very
>>> good as well with its array of 7 tweeters and a 4-inch wover. Of course
>>> the fact I can simply say "Hey SIRI" followed by what I want to listen
>>> to
>>> is very tempting, we have an Apple Music family subscription so the
>>> integration would be awesome. One thing I am curious about and I'm sure
>>> we'll find out is how it would work for different users, e.g. my wife of
>>> course has her own music and listens to a lot of filipino music whereas
>>> my
>>> library and recommendations are much different. Hopefully Apple will
>>> have
>>> something that allows the HomePod to switch from one user to another.
>>> Of course I won't have to worry about this because based on what Apple
>>> has
>>> announced the HomePod will only be available in the US, UK and Australia
>>> at launch in December this year and then it will come to a bunch of
>>> other
>>> countries in 2018, hopefully Canada will get it some time in the first
>>> part of 2018, at least I have time to save up for it and who knows what
>>> Sonos will come up with by then, but it is of course unlikely Apple will
>>> give third party manufacturers the same access to SIRI and all that for
>>> a
>>> while since it would mean less HomePod sales for them. I am also curious
>>> 

Re: My thoughts on some of the announcements, was: Apple announces iOS 11 with new features and redesigned App Store

[Wayne Merritt]

Before the keynote, I heard a rumor that perhaps Handoff would be
enhanced with the Apple TV getting involved. Perhaps one could handoff
their Apple Music playlist from their iPhone to the Apple TV. I found
this very interesting, and hopefully it is included with the
forthcoming updates to iOS and TVOS. I listen to some playlists on my
Apple TV so I can see myself using a feature like this. I also thought
Apple was saying, "Me too," with respect to siri. A new voice and
language translation of key phrases? Really? What about Siri correctly
understanding syntax. For instance, I can ask Siri if it is going to
rain tonight and get a good answer. If I then ask, "What about
tomorrow?" Siri has no idea what I'm talking about. Compare that with
some of the range of results people are getting with Google and Alexa,
and Siri has a bit to catch up to. Hopefully the fall update to the
iPhone will give us more of a wow factor. There were a few other
things I heard today which were interesting to me, but nothing huge,
aside from that short bit about being able to watch Amazon Video on
the Appple TV. That's huge, and will make my wife really happy since
she watches a lot of shows and movies with Amazon Video.

Wayne

On 6/5/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
> The new speaker does sound interesting. It's pricey, so it better sound a
> whole lot better than anything else you can get for a lot less. And for me,
> the Achilles' heel is still Siri. I know there's time between now and
> release, and they did talk about deep learning or whatever other geeky
> sounding term they come up with. So I suppose there is hope. But Google is
> clearly the leader here. Apple has a lot of catching up
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>
>> They forgot to mention the new "HomePod" which is Apple's competitor to
>> the Amazon Echo and Google Home except that it sounds like it will be a
>> much higher quality audio experience, a true HiFi speaker which can work
>> as a stand-alone speaker or as a pair and I think this will be the true
>> competition for Sonos. I think Sonos has made a mistake by not making all
>> their speakers and devices Airplay capable and as somebody who loves Sonos
>> and has invested a fair bit in Sonos this is a bit disappointing. I don't
>> necessarily see myself getting rid of my living room Playbar, Sub and Play
>> 1 set as rear speakers, but since I bought a lot of my Sonos gear before
>> any of the stand-alone speakers like the Play 1, Play 3 and Play 5 came
>> out, I have 3 Connect Amp devices in the bedroom, bathroom and kitchen and
>> those are connected to in-wall or in-ceiling speakers. I could easily see
>> myself replacing them with the HomePod (especially a set of them in the
>> bedroom and a single one in the kitchen and I would then use those two
>> Sonos Connect Amps at my retail business to drive the speakers I have
>> downstairs, upstairs and outside. Currently I use a single Connect which
>> is connected to my 22-year old Onkyo receiver and a 4-port speaker switch,
>> but if each set of speakers would have their own Connect Amp that would
>> make it even easier in terms of adjusting the volume independently and
>> even playing different things upstairs and downstairs.
>> At $349 US the HomePod is even substantially less than a Sonos Play 5 and
>> from the description I would hazard a guess and say that it may sound very
>> good as well with its array of 7 tweeters and a 4-inch wover. Of course
>> the fact I can simply say "Hey SIRI" followed by what I want to listen to
>> is very tempting, we have an Apple Music family subscription so the
>> integration would be awesome. One thing I am curious about and I'm sure
>> we'll find out is how it would work for different users, e.g. my wife of
>> course has her own music and listens to a lot of filipino music whereas my
>> library and recommendations are much different. Hopefully Apple will have
>> something that allows the HomePod to switch from one user to another.
>> Of course I won't have to worry about this because based on what Apple has
>> announced the HomePod will only be available in the US, UK and Australia
>> at launch in December this year and then it will come to a bunch of other
>> countries in 2018, hopefully Canada will get it some time in the first
>> part of 2018, at least I have time to save up for it and who knows what
>> Sonos will come up with by then, but it is of course unlikely Apple will
>> give third party manufacturers the same access to SIRI and all that for a
>> while since it would mean less HomePod sales for them. I am also curious
>> whether the HomePod has bluetooth so one could connect to it directly with
>> a good quality bluetooth headset.
>>
>> As for the big App Store announcement I was somewhat disappointed that
>> they didn't mention a trial period for apps and a rating system which
>> gives an indication about an app's level of 

Re: Switching between Nav on/off on an Apex?

[Rebecca Ilniski]

Hi Gera. Try q with the space together.

Rebecca and Zeb
email: rilni...@gmail.com
Twitter: applegirl1994

On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Casey  wrote:

Hi witch version of thunderbird are you using may I ask and are you using it 
with Jaws?




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Switching between Nav on/off on an Apex?

Using a BrailleNote Apex as a Braille display and keyboard on an iPhone 
5S, what's the command to quickly switch between Nav modes, like on a 
qwerty keyboard one does with I think left arrows together? On the 
website of

http://www.iaccessblog.com/braillenote-apex-ios-command-list/

which I use as a quick reference, I can't seem to find the command.

-- 
Gera
Enviado desde Thunderbird

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Re: My thoughts on some of the announcements, was: Apple announces iOS 11 with new features and redesigned App Store

[Mary Otten]

The new speaker does sound interesting. It's pricey, so it better sound a whole 
lot better than anything else you can get for a lot less. And for me, the 
Achilles' heel is still Siri. I know there's time between now and release, and 
they did talk about deep learning or whatever other geeky sounding term they 
come up with. So I suppose there is hope. But Google is clearly the leader 
here. Apple has a lot of catching up

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> They forgot to mention the new "HomePod" which is Apple's competitor to the 
> Amazon Echo and Google Home except that it sounds like it will be a much 
> higher quality audio experience, a true HiFi speaker which can work as a 
> stand-alone speaker or as a pair and I think this will be the true 
> competition for Sonos. I think Sonos has made a mistake by not making all 
> their speakers and devices Airplay capable and as somebody who loves Sonos 
> and has invested a fair bit in Sonos this is a bit disappointing. I don't 
> necessarily see myself getting rid of my living room Playbar, Sub and Play 1 
> set as rear speakers, but since I bought a lot of my Sonos gear before any of 
> the stand-alone speakers like the Play 1, Play 3 and Play 5 came out, I have 
> 3 Connect Amp devices in the bedroom, bathroom and kitchen and those are 
> connected to in-wall or in-ceiling speakers. I could easily see myself 
> replacing them with the HomePod (especially a set of them in the bedroom and 
> a single one in the kitchen and I would then use those two Sonos Connect Amps 
> at my retail business to drive the speakers I have downstairs, upstairs and 
> outside. Currently I use a single Connect which is connected to my 22-year 
> old Onkyo receiver and a 4-port speaker switch, but if each set of speakers 
> would have their own Connect Amp that would make it even easier in terms of 
> adjusting the volume independently and even playing different things upstairs 
> and downstairs.
> At $349 US the HomePod is even substantially less than a Sonos Play 5 and 
> from the description I would hazard a guess and say that it may sound very 
> good as well with its array of 7 tweeters and a 4-inch wover. Of course the 
> fact I can simply say "Hey SIRI" followed by what I want to listen to is very 
> tempting, we have an Apple Music family subscription so the integration would 
> be awesome. One thing I am curious about and I'm sure we'll find out is how 
> it would work for different users, e.g. my wife of course has her own music 
> and listens to a lot of filipino music whereas my library and recommendations 
> are much different. Hopefully Apple will have something that allows the 
> HomePod to switch from one user to another.
> Of course I won't have to worry about this because based on what Apple has 
> announced the HomePod will only be available in the US, UK and Australia at 
> launch in December this year and then it will come to a bunch of other 
> countries in 2018, hopefully Canada will get it some time in the first part 
> of 2018, at least I have time to save up for it and who knows what Sonos will 
> come up with by then, but it is of course unlikely Apple will give third 
> party manufacturers the same access to SIRI and all that for a while since it 
> would mean less HomePod sales for them. I am also curious whether the HomePod 
> has bluetooth so one could connect to it directly with a good quality 
> bluetooth headset.
> 
> As for the big App Store announcement I was somewhat disappointed that they 
> didn't mention a trial period for apps and a rating system which gives an 
> indication about an app's level of accessibility.
> 
> As for the SIRI announcement I was also disappointed as it does not sound 
> like a leap forward and break-through upgrade, so they have better sounding 
> voices which might be nice since I assume these voices will also be available 
> to be used as Voiceover voices, but it sounds as if SIRI continues to remain 
> stupid compared to Google. I guess we'll have to see how these upgrades 
> translate into real-world knowledge and how well it will be able to answer a 
> variety of questions.
> 
> The Apple Maps update sounds promising especially if the new indoor maps of 
> malls and airports will be combined with iBeacons to provide accurate 
> directions for indoor navigation.
> 
> Hopefully the person-to-person payment option for Apple Pay will be available 
> anywhere Apple Pay is available as that would be a nice and easy way to send 
> somebody some money. It is interesting that they mentioned how they expect 
> Apple Pay to be available at 50% of retailers by the end of this year in the 
> US. Here in Canada we got Apple Pay much later, but because of our banking 
> and credit card infrastructure, Apple Pay is available anywhere contactless 
> payments are accepted which by now is almost everywhere. I don't know any 
> hard numbers, but I would guess it 

Re: My thoughts on some of the announcements, was: Apple announces iOS 11 with new features and redesigned App Store

[Richard Turner]

In the fall,. Probably in September, which has been their standard time for 
several years. But no one will know for sure until Apple actually announces it.
Richard


> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:00 PM, terri elliott  wrote:
> 
> When will this update be scheduled to come out?  Thanks.
> 
> Terri
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> They forgot to mention the new "HomePod" which is Apple's competitor to the 
>> Amazon Echo and Google Home except that it sounds like it will be a much 
>> higher quality audio experience, a true HiFi speaker which can work as a 
>> stand-alone speaker or as a pair and I think this will be the true 
>> competition for Sonos. I think Sonos has made a mistake by not making all 
>> their speakers and devices Airplay capable and as somebody who loves Sonos 
>> and has invested a fair bit in Sonos this is a bit disappointing. I don't 
>> necessarily see myself getting rid of my living room Playbar, Sub and Play 1 
>> set as rear speakers, but since I bought a lot of my Sonos gear before any 
>> of the stand-alone speakers like the Play 1, Play 3 and Play 5 came out, I 
>> have 3 Connect Amp devices in the bedroom, bathroom and kitchen and those 
>> are connected to in-wall or in-ceiling speakers. I could easily see myself 
>> replacing them with the HomePod (especially a set of them in the bedroom and 
>> a single one in the kitchen and I would then use those two Sonos Connect 
>> Amps at my retail business to drive the speakers I have downstairs, upstairs 
>> and outside. Currently I use a single Connect which is connected to my 
>> 22-year old Onkyo receiver and a 4-port speaker switch, but if each set of 
>> speakers would have their own Connect Amp that would make it even easier in 
>> terms of adjusting the volume independently and even playing different 
>> things upstairs and downstairs.
>> At $349 US the HomePod is even substantially less than a Sonos Play 5 and 
>> from the description I would hazard a guess and say that it may sound very 
>> good as well with its array of 7 tweeters and a 4-inch wover. Of course the 
>> fact I can simply say "Hey SIRI" followed by what I want to listen to is 
>> very tempting, we have an Apple Music family subscription so the integration 
>> would be awesome. One thing I am curious about and I'm sure we'll find out 
>> is how it would work for different users, e.g. my wife of course has her own 
>> music and listens to a lot of filipino music whereas my library and 
>> recommendations are much different. Hopefully Apple will have something that 
>> allows the HomePod to switch from one user to another.
>> Of course I won't have to worry about this because based on what Apple has 
>> announced the HomePod will only be available in the US, UK and Australia at 
>> launch in December this year and then it will come to a bunch of other 
>> countries in 2018, hopefully Canada will get it some time in the first part 
>> of 2018, at least I have time to save up for it and who knows what Sonos 
>> will come up with by then, but it is of course unlikely Apple will give 
>> third party manufacturers the same access to SIRI and all that for a while 
>> since it would mean less HomePod sales for them. I am also curious whether 
>> the HomePod has bluetooth so one could connect to it directly with a good 
>> quality bluetooth headset.
>> 
>> As for the big App Store announcement I was somewhat disappointed that they 
>> didn't mention a trial period for apps and a rating system which gives an 
>> indication about an app's level of accessibility.
>> 
>> As for the SIRI announcement I was also disappointed as it does not sound 
>> like a leap forward and break-through upgrade, so they have better sounding 
>> voices which might be nice since I assume these voices will also be 
>> available to be used as Voiceover voices, but it sounds as if SIRI continues 
>> to remain stupid compared to Google. I guess we'll have to see how these 
>> upgrades translate into real-world knowledge and how well it will be able to 
>> answer a variety of questions.
>> 
>> The Apple Maps update sounds promising especially if the new indoor maps of 
>> malls and airports will be combined with iBeacons to provide accurate 
>> directions for indoor navigation.
>> 
>> Hopefully the person-to-person payment option for Apple Pay will be 
>> available anywhere Apple Pay is available as that would be a nice and easy 
>> way to send somebody some money. It is interesting that they mentioned how 
>> they expect Apple Pay to be available at 50% of retailers by the end of this 
>> year in the US. Here in Canada we got Apple Pay much later, but because of 
>> our banking and credit card infrastructure, Apple Pay is available anywhere 
>> contactless payments are accepted which by now is almost everywhere. I don't 
>> know any hard numbers, but I would guess it is well over 90% of places that 
>> 

Re: My thoughts on some of the announcements, was: Apple announces iOS 11 with new features and redesigned App Store

[terri elliott]

When will this update be scheduled to come out?  Thanks.

Terri

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> They forgot to mention the new "HomePod" which is Apple's competitor to the 
> Amazon Echo and Google Home except that it sounds like it will be a much 
> higher quality audio experience, a true HiFi speaker which can work as a 
> stand-alone speaker or as a pair and I think this will be the true 
> competition for Sonos. I think Sonos has made a mistake by not making all 
> their speakers and devices Airplay capable and as somebody who loves Sonos 
> and has invested a fair bit in Sonos this is a bit disappointing. I don't 
> necessarily see myself getting rid of my living room Playbar, Sub and Play 1 
> set as rear speakers, but since I bought a lot of my Sonos gear before any of 
> the stand-alone speakers like the Play 1, Play 3 and Play 5 came out, I have 
> 3 Connect Amp devices in the bedroom, bathroom and kitchen and those are 
> connected to in-wall or in-ceiling speakers. I could easily see myself 
> replacing them with the HomePod (especially a set of them in the bedroom and 
> a single one in the kitchen and I would then use those two Sonos Connect Amps 
> at my retail business to drive the speakers I have downstairs, upstairs and 
> outside. Currently I use a single Connect which is connected to my 22-year 
> old Onkyo receiver and a 4-port speaker switch, but if each set of speakers 
> would have their own Connect Amp that would make it even easier in terms of 
> adjusting the volume independently and even playing different things upstairs 
> and downstairs.
> At $349 US the HomePod is even substantially less than a Sonos Play 5 and 
> from the description I would hazard a guess and say that it may sound very 
> good as well with its array of 7 tweeters and a 4-inch wover. Of course the 
> fact I can simply say "Hey SIRI" followed by what I want to listen to is very 
> tempting, we have an Apple Music family subscription so the integration would 
> be awesome. One thing I am curious about and I'm sure we'll find out is how 
> it would work for different users, e.g. my wife of course has her own music 
> and listens to a lot of filipino music whereas my library and recommendations 
> are much different. Hopefully Apple will have something that allows the 
> HomePod to switch from one user to another.
> Of course I won't have to worry about this because based on what Apple has 
> announced the HomePod will only be available in the US, UK and Australia at 
> launch in December this year and then it will come to a bunch of other 
> countries in 2018, hopefully Canada will get it some time in the first part 
> of 2018, at least I have time to save up for it and who knows what Sonos will 
> come up with by then, but it is of course unlikely Apple will give third 
> party manufacturers the same access to SIRI and all that for a while since it 
> would mean less HomePod sales for them. I am also curious whether the HomePod 
> has bluetooth so one could connect to it directly with a good quality 
> bluetooth headset.
> 
> As for the big App Store announcement I was somewhat disappointed that they 
> didn't mention a trial period for apps and a rating system which gives an 
> indication about an app's level of accessibility.
> 
> As for the SIRI announcement I was also disappointed as it does not sound 
> like a leap forward and break-through upgrade, so they have better sounding 
> voices which might be nice since I assume these voices will also be available 
> to be used as Voiceover voices, but it sounds as if SIRI continues to remain 
> stupid compared to Google. I guess we'll have to see how these upgrades 
> translate into real-world knowledge and how well it will be able to answer a 
> variety of questions.
> 
> The Apple Maps update sounds promising especially if the new indoor maps of 
> malls and airports will be combined with iBeacons to provide accurate 
> directions for indoor navigation.
> 
> Hopefully the person-to-person payment option for Apple Pay will be available 
> anywhere Apple Pay is available as that would be a nice and easy way to send 
> somebody some money. It is interesting that they mentioned how they expect 
> Apple Pay to be available at 50% of retailers by the end of this year in the 
> US. Here in Canada we got Apple Pay much later, but because of our banking 
> and credit card infrastructure, Apple Pay is available anywhere contactless 
> payments are accepted which by now is almost everywhere. I don't know any 
> hard numbers, but I would guess it is well over 90% of places that accept 
> credit cards. Even small retailers like my store or the little german butcher 
> shop down the street have contactless payment terminals hence I can use Apple 
> Pay.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gary 

My thoughts on some of the announcements, was: Apple announces iOS 11 with new features and redesigned App Store

[Sieghard Weitzel]

They forgot to mention the new "HomePod" which is Apple's competitor to the 
Amazon Echo and Google Home except that it sounds like it will be a much higher 
quality audio experience, a true HiFi speaker which can work as a stand-alone 
speaker or as a pair and I think this will be the true competition for Sonos. I 
think Sonos has made a mistake by not making all their speakers and devices 
Airplay capable and as somebody who loves Sonos and has invested a fair bit in 
Sonos this is a bit disappointing. I don't necessarily see myself getting rid 
of my living room Playbar, Sub and Play 1 set as rear speakers, but since I 
bought a lot of my Sonos gear before any of the stand-alone speakers like the 
Play 1, Play 3 and Play 5 came out, I have 3 Connect Amp devices in the 
bedroom, bathroom and kitchen and those are connected to in-wall or in-ceiling 
speakers. I could easily see myself replacing them with the HomePod (especially 
a set of them in the bedroom and a single one in the kitchen and I would then 
use those two Sonos Connect Amps at my retail business to drive the speakers I 
have downstairs, upstairs and outside. Currently I use a single Connect which 
is connected to my 22-year old Onkyo receiver and a 4-port speaker switch, but 
if each set of speakers would have their own Connect Amp that would make it 
even easier in terms of adjusting the volume independently and even playing 
different things upstairs and downstairs.
At $349 US the HomePod is even substantially less than a Sonos Play 5 and from 
the description I would hazard a guess and say that it may sound very good as 
well with its array of 7 tweeters and a 4-inch wover. Of course the fact I can 
simply say "Hey SIRI" followed by what I want to listen to is very tempting, we 
have an Apple Music family subscription so the integration would be awesome. 
One thing I am curious about and I'm sure we'll find out is how it would work 
for different users, e.g. my wife of course has her own music and listens to a 
lot of filipino music whereas my library and recommendations are much 
different. Hopefully Apple will have something that allows the HomePod to 
switch from one user to another.
Of course I won't have to worry about this because based on what Apple has 
announced the HomePod will only be available in the US, UK and Australia at 
launch in December this year and then it will come to a bunch of other 
countries in 2018, hopefully Canada will get it some time in the first part of 
2018, at least I have time to save up for it and who knows what Sonos will come 
up with by then, but it is of course unlikely Apple will give third party 
manufacturers the same access to SIRI and all that for a while since it would 
mean less HomePod sales for them. I am also curious whether the HomePod has 
bluetooth so one could connect to it directly with a good quality bluetooth 
headset.

As for the big App Store announcement I was somewhat disappointed that they 
didn't mention a trial period for apps and a rating system which gives an 
indication about an app's level of accessibility.

As for the SIRI announcement I was also disappointed as it does not sound like 
a leap forward and break-through upgrade, so they have better sounding voices 
which might be nice since I assume these voices will also be available to be 
used as Voiceover voices, but it sounds as if SIRI continues to remain stupid 
compared to Google. I guess we'll have to see how these upgrades translate into 
real-world knowledge and how well it will be able to answer a variety of 
questions.

The Apple Maps update sounds promising especially if the new indoor maps of 
malls and airports will be combined with iBeacons to provide accurate 
directions for indoor navigation.

Hopefully the person-to-person payment option for Apple Pay will be available 
anywhere Apple Pay is available as that would be a nice and easy way to send 
somebody some money. It is interesting that they mentioned how they expect 
Apple Pay to be available at 50% of retailers by the end of this year in the 
US. Here in Canada we got Apple Pay much later, but because of our banking and 
credit card infrastructure, Apple Pay is available anywhere contactless 
payments are accepted which by now is almost everywhere. I don't know any hard 
numbers, but I would guess it is well over 90% of places that accept credit 
cards. Even small retailers like my store or the little german butcher shop 
down the street have contactless payment terminals hence I can use Apple Pay.



Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gary Bowers
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 12:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple announces iOS 11 with new features and redesigned App Store

theverge.com
Apple announces iOS 11 with new features and redesigned App Store Chris Welch 
Apple CEO Tim Cook just officially announced iOS 11 onstage at WWDC 2017.
The next 

Re: last update

[Wayne Merritt]

I also use the First or today screen on my phone. I have a couple of
weather apps, my next appointment from Fantastical II, and the first 4
favorites from my Phone there. I find it very easy and convenient to
swipe to the today screen, go to the bottom, and swipe left to get to
a favorite that I want to call; verses pulling up the Phone app and
then going to favorites. Yes, I know, I could also tell Siri to call
someone for me, and sometimes I do that, but I prefer to either do it
from the today screen or go into the Phone app to call. It's just how
I use my phone. During the NFL season, I have the widget from my
sports scores app displayed so I can see all the latest scores and
what games are up coming.

Wayne

On 6/5/17, Deidre Muccio  wrote:
> Thank you. Excellent post. I'm so glad you are using your home screen on the
> first page to your benefit. I don't use notifications or the control center,
> I just set alerts for upcoming appointments and things like that. I also
> don't do banking using my phone but I could see what you're saying would be
> tremendously helpful.
> I could if I felt like it, There's no need for  my purposes. Anyway thank
> you for showing me what you do indeed use it for.
>
> Deidre
>
>
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>>
>> Sieghard, can I just say that you're so good at all this? You seem to
>> know so much about everything, and then you use that information to
>> really make your IPhone work so well for you and be so customized to
>> your needs. I'm a comparative idiot in this matter and just thought
>> I'd point that out.
>> Shermeen
>>
>>
>>> On 6/5/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Hi Deidre,
>>>
>>> I assume when you say you moved the "Home icon" to the last page you
>>> mean
>>> the Home app from Apple. If so then this has very little to do with what
>>> Voiceover calls Page 1 which is called the Today screen. I do find it
>>> useful, but I did customize it to show me the stuff I want to see, e.g.
>>> I
>>> have it setup so the information of my Netatmo Wweather Station is
>>> displayed
>>> there, my Scotia Bank app can be set up so it displays account balances
>>> on
>>> the widget so I have those there etc. This means instead of having to
>>> open
>>> Netatmo and looking at the outside and inside modules separately I can
>>> just
>>> do a 3-finger swipe left to right to go to the Today screen and get a
>>> summary of current temperatures, humidity etc. at all my modules. The
>>> same
>>> with my bank app, instead of having to open it and sign in, I can just
>>> swipe
>>> right if I just want to see my balance etc.
>>> I think of it as no different than swiping down from the taskbar to go
>>> to
>>> the notification centre or up to go to the control centre, it's there if
>>> I
>>> want it and if I don't want it or need it I don't have to go there. I
>>> think
>>> there are a few OCD type personalities who are greatly offended by the
>>> fact
>>> that the first home page is now calleD "2 OF 4" OR however many home
>>> pages
>>> you have. All I can say there is so what, it's just that Apple chose to
>>> call
>>> the Today page page 1, if you are anywhere and press the home button you
>>> still go to your first home page (page 2) so it's not like you always end
>>> up
>>> there if you don't want to and if you don't wat to use the widgets there
>>> just ignore it.
>>>
>>> As for the app switcher I am not sure what the problem is, I don't have
>>> that
>>> issue. I can close any app with a 3-finger swipe up or with a single
>>> finger
>>> swipe up or down to put the rotor on "Close" and then double tap. Note
>>> if
>>> you use the rotor gesture you don't have to do the one-finger flick
>>> again
>>> unless you end up on "home" and swipe left again to close more programs,
>>> if
>>> that happens you do have to swipe down or up again so Voiceover says
>>> "close"
>>> followed by the app name. This is the same when you tap on the "Pages"
>>> button at the bottom right in Safari. This brings up a list of open
>>> pages/tabs in Safari, you flick down with one finger to "Close" and then
>>> double tap and now if you have 8 more pages/tabs to close you can simply
>>> touch each one to focus on it and double tap as the rotor will remain on
>>> the
>>> "close" function.
>>> I have no idea what said "Hello" and why it said so. Maybe you can
>>> explain
>>> this more.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of deidre muccio
>>> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:05 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: last update
>>>
>>>
>>>I have read here that the most current update will overall help your
>>> phone
>>> work far more efficiently. Really? Is this a fact? I'm not so impressed
>>> with
>>> some of the new features of the last update, and here we are onto 11.
>>>Is anyone finding 

Apple announces iOS 11 with new features and redesigned App Store

[Gary Bowers]

theverge.com
Apple announces iOS 11 with new features and redesigned App Store
Chris Welch
Apple CEO Tim Cook just officially announced iOS 11 onstage at WWDC 2017.
The next major update to the operating system running on millions of iPhones
and iPads will improve on the "core technologies" that power the OS and also
introduce numerous new features. 
The first among those demo'd by Craig Federighi was synchronized messages
across iOS and macOS. If you erase a message on your iPhone or iPad, that
will now be reflected on your Mac as well. 
Apple Pay is also expanding to include person-to-person payments,
positioning Apple to take on Venmo and Square Cash. iOS 11 will introduce a
Apple Pay Cash Card, where users will store their received funds from
peer-to-peer transactions. This money can be transferred to your personal
bank account.
Siri
Apple has made improvements to Siri that make the assistant's voice sound
more natural when responding to users. Additionally, Siri will now be able
to perform translations in various languages including English, Chinese,
French, German, Italian, Spanish.
A new "intelligence" feature allows Siri to make suggestions that you might
find interesting - like a news article - and be more predictive about what
you want to do next. Siri accomplishes this through what Federighi described
as "on-device learning." On-device learning is synced across your other
Apple devices but "kept completely private, readable only by you and your
devices."
Control Center
In iOS 11, Apple has completely redesigned Control Center, which is the
panel that users can swipe up to access frequent and important settings or
change songs when listening to music. 
Indoor maps for shopping malls and airports
Apple Maps is introducing indoor maps for airports and shopping centers in
select cities. 
Mall layouts will be available for the following cities: Boston, Chicago,
Hong Kong, London, Los Angeles, New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco, San
Jose, Tokyo, and Washington DC. 
Apple has indoor maps for well over 20 major airports as well, including
both US and international locations. 
Speed limits, lane guidance, and Do Not Disturb While Driving
iOS 11 also adds new improvements to Maps when you're behind the wheel of a
car. Lane guidance and speed limits should help you navigate unfamiliar
highways, and a new Do Not Disturb While Driving will get rid of potential
distractions when your eyes should be focused on the road. Text messages
won't be shown by default, though senders have the option of replying with
"urgent" in cases when you really need to see something. 
Apple Music, AirPlay 2, HomeKit 2, and multi-room audio
Sonos has some huge competition on the way. Apple's Craig Federighi said on
stage that iOS 11 will introduce support for multi-room audio between
iPhones, iPads, and a slew of third-party speakers. 
Plus, Apple Music is adding a much needed social element, which will show
you what friends are currently listening to on the service. Like Spotify,
you've got the option of listening privately if you don't want to let others
in on your guilty pleasures. 
A redesigned App Store

The App Store is getting its biggest makeover ever in iOS 11. There's a new
"Today" tab that will surface notable releases, and Apple is finally giving
the games section its own dedicated tab. There's a much bigger editorial
aspect to the store now, too, as users will find how-tos and other content
that pertains to select apps. Other refinements include the ability for
developers to directly list in-app purchases in the App Store - rather than
making users hunt for them in the app. 
ARKit
Apple is building augmented reality directly into the core of iOS, giving
developers the tools they need to convincingly blend digital entertainment
with the real world. 
Other
Here's the fun slide of other features coming to iOS 11 that didn't get
stage time. Standouts include screen recording, a one-handed keyboard,
FaceTime Live Photos, password autofill in apps, and more. 
iOS 10, unveiled at last year's WWDC, focused on a major update to the
Messages app, and also included redesigned Maps, Photos, Apple Music, and
News apps. A new Home app for controlling HomeKit-compatible smart home
gadgets was introduced, and Apple began its work to open Siri to software
developers as part of iOS 10, as well. 
Developing. Check out our WWDC live blog for the latest updates!

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Re: Editing large chunks of text

[Richard Turner]

I would recommend Writer, by Voice Dream. It works great with gestures or 
keyboards, uses mark-up language as well, is designed for visually impaired 
users and is only $9.99.

Richard


On Jun 5, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Michael Feir 
> wrote:

I would second the recommendation to use a Bluetooth keyboard for major text 
editing. I really like an app called Ulysses. It uses a Markdown language and 
that lets you know precisely what your formatting commands will do. Also, you 
can divide long documents into sheets which can be grouped. That lets you 
change their order very easily. A pricy choice at around $30 Canadian when I 
bought it but it's been worth every penny for me. One of the best apps I've 
ever come across.
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:37 PM Richard Turner 
> wrote:
I have not used Pages in a long time.  I never got it working very well with 
VoiceOver.
Do you have a Bluetooth keyboard?  That might be better.  I don't recall it 
working that well with gestures.

Perhaps a Pages users will chime in.

Richard


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Harry Bell
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Subject: Re: Editing large chunks of text

Sorry, iOS 10.3.2 and trying to navigate and edit using Pages.
Thanks
Harry

> On 5 Jun 2017, at 17:05, Richard Turner 
> > wrote:
>
> It would help to know what app you are using.
> I know you know you have to be in a place where VoiceOver says editing, but 
> even that can behave differently depending on the app.
> Are you truly using 10.2, not 10.3.2?
>
> Richard
>
>
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> Of Harry Bell
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 8:45 AM
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> >
> Subject: Editing large chunks of text
>
> I'm looking for instructions on how to move through and edit large chunks of 
> text on iPhone 7 plus or iPad Air running iOS 10.2. I try delecting Words or 
> Lines in the rotor but mostly when I swipe, the cursor still mover by 
> character. And if I get voiceover to read continuously then pause and try to 
> use Text Selection at that point, the cursor does not start where Voiceover 
> left off reading. Can someone point me to a set of instructions for such text 
> navigation and editing?
> Thanks
> Harry
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Re: ios 11

[christopher hallsworth]

I predict the 5s will be the earliest phone to run iOS 11, not seen anything 
yet in the IDB (IDownloadBlog) app to confirm this, and you guessed it, I'm not 
watching the live stream tonight, will catch up later on in the week.
> On 5 Jun 2017, at 13:41, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> No, but we may hear something today.
> 
> - Original Message -
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> Subject: ios 11
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> Has anyone heard any news concerning ioS11 and the 5S?
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Re: last update

[Deidre Muccio]

Thank you. Excellent post. I'm so glad you are using your home screen on the 
first page to your benefit. I don't use notifications or the control center, I 
just set alerts for upcoming appointments and things like that. I also don't do 
banking using my phone but I could see what you're saying would be tremendously 
helpful. 
I could if I felt like it, There's no need for  my purposes. Anyway thank you 
for showing me what you do indeed use it for.

Deidre


> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard, can I just say that you're so good at all this? You seem to
> know so much about everything, and then you use that information to
> really make your IPhone work so well for you and be so customized to
> your needs. I'm a comparative idiot in this matter and just thought
> I'd point that out.
> Shermeen
> 
> 
>> On 6/5/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Deidre,
>> 
>> I assume when you say you moved the "Home icon" to the last page you mean
>> the Home app from Apple. If so then this has very little to do with what
>> Voiceover calls Page 1 which is called the Today screen. I do find it
>> useful, but I did customize it to show me the stuff I want to see, e.g. I
>> have it setup so the information of my Netatmo Wweather Station is displayed
>> there, my Scotia Bank app can be set up so it displays account balances on
>> the widget so I have those there etc. This means instead of having to open
>> Netatmo and looking at the outside and inside modules separately I can just
>> do a 3-finger swipe left to right to go to the Today screen and get a
>> summary of current temperatures, humidity etc. at all my modules. The same
>> with my bank app, instead of having to open it and sign in, I can just swipe
>> right if I just want to see my balance etc.
>> I think of it as no different than swiping down from the taskbar to go to
>> the notification centre or up to go to the control centre, it's there if I
>> want it and if I don't want it or need it I don't have to go there. I think
>> there are a few OCD type personalities who are greatly offended by the fact
>> that the first home page is now calleD "2 OF 4" OR however many home pages
>> you have. All I can say there is so what, it's just that Apple chose to call
>> the Today page page 1, if you are anywhere and press the home button you
>> still go to your first home page (page 2) so it's not like you always end up
>> there if you don't want to and if you don't wat to use the widgets there
>> just ignore it.
>> 
>> As for the app switcher I am not sure what the problem is, I don't have that
>> issue. I can close any app with a 3-finger swipe up or with a single finger
>> swipe up or down to put the rotor on "Close" and then double tap. Note if
>> you use the rotor gesture you don't have to do the one-finger flick again
>> unless you end up on "home" and swipe left again to close more programs, if
>> that happens you do have to swipe down or up again so Voiceover says "close"
>> followed by the app name. This is the same when you tap on the "Pages"
>> button at the bottom right in Safari. This brings up a list of open
>> pages/tabs in Safari, you flick down with one finger to "Close" and then
>> double tap and now if you have 8 more pages/tabs to close you can simply
>> touch each one to focus on it and double tap as the rotor will remain on the
>> "close" function.
>> I have no idea what said "Hello" and why it said so. Maybe you can explain
>> this more.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of deidre muccio
>> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:05 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: last update
>> 
>> 
>>I have read here that the most current update will overall help your phone
>> work far more efficiently. Really? Is this a fact? I'm not so impressed with
>> some of the new features of the last update, and here we are onto 11.
>>Is anyone finding that page 1 Home thing of any use? As it is I moved the
>> HOME icon to a far page because I don't even want to see it.
>>I'm also often getting stuck when in the app switcher trying to close out
>> applications. Facebook is particularly obnoxious and I could not close it
>> without shutting down the phone. First it had to say hello then ask me to
>> either double tap to activate the program, or hit on the button before it
>> would do anything. I could not simply close it out. I'm not even sure the
>> program was open but why was it sitting there prompting me to do something
>> with it? . I'll give it up before I spend another minute fussing with it.
>>Please lighten my load of ignorance over another issue if I am off the 
>> wall
>> with this next comment.
>>When doing searches using a very old update on a 4S, when I do a search,
>> the results are solid and get me to a web site with real language in it and
>> not a whole lot of 

Re: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

[Dave]

personally, i prefer FaceTime.

Dave.

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 5:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

Did she go to the school in Marburg?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Craig Werner
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

 

My thanks to everyone who has replied to this thread.  My German friend feels 
more comfortable with WhatsApp than she does with FaceTime, so I'll give 
WhatsApp a try.  

 

Sieghard, my friend does not know you, but I passed on your best anyway.  
Thanks.

 

Craig

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Robert Doc Wright  
wrote:

  I have a friend in South Africa and we speak a lot via What's app. I have
  had no problems.
  - Original Message -
  From: "Craig Werner" 
  To: 
  Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 8:16 PM
  Subject: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany


  > Hello, everyone.
  >
  > A friend of mine from Germany is visiting the U.S. for a few weeks and
  > has brought her iPhone with her.  She does not have a data plan for
  > the States, and my phone plan does not allow me to phone a German
  > mobile phone at a low cost.  We are considering FaceTime or WhatsApp
  > as a way to keep in touch.  I am rather wary of WhatsApp since I have
  > heard reports that its address book sharing can introduce malware into
  > the iPhone.  I have no idea if these reports are credible.  Does
  > anyone have any experience with comparing FaceTime and WhatsApp in a
  > scenario such as the one I have described?  Note that we are not
  > interested in exchanging any video component, just voice data.
  >
  > Thank you for all help.
  >
  > Craig
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Re: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

[Craig Werner]

Question about friend gladly answered off list.

Craig
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:47 PM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> Did she go to the school in Marburg?
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Craig Werner
>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 5, 2017 7:11 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany
>
>
>
> My thanks to everyone who has replied to this thread.  My German friend
> feels more comfortable with WhatsApp than she does with FaceTime, so I'll
> give WhatsApp a try.
>
>
>
> Sieghard, my friend does not know you, but I passed on your best anyway.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Robert Doc Wright <
> yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a friend in South Africa and we speak a lot via What's app. I have
> had no problems.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Craig Werner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 8:16 PM
> Subject: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany
>
>
> > Hello, everyone.
> >
> > A friend of mine from Germany is visiting the U.S. for a few weeks and
> > has brought her iPhone with her.  She does not have a data plan for
> > the States, and my phone plan does not allow me to phone a German
> > mobile phone at a low cost.  We are considering FaceTime or WhatsApp
> > as a way to keep in touch.  I am rather wary of WhatsApp since I have
> > heard reports that its address book sharing can introduce malware into
> > the iPhone.  I have no idea if these reports are credible.  Does
> > anyone have any experience with comparing FaceTime and WhatsApp in a
> > scenario such as the one I have described?  Note that we are not
> > interested in exchanging any video component, just voice data.
> >
> > Thank you for all help.
> >
> > Craig
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Re: last update

[Shermeen Khan]

Sieghard, can I just say that you're so good at all this? You seem to
know so much about everything, and then you use that information to
really make your IPhone work so well for you and be so customized to
your needs. I'm a comparative idiot in this matter and just thought
I'd point that out.
Shermeen


On 6/5/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Deidre,
>
> I assume when you say you moved the "Home icon" to the last page you mean
> the Home app from Apple. If so then this has very little to do with what
> Voiceover calls Page 1 which is called the Today screen. I do find it
> useful, but I did customize it to show me the stuff I want to see, e.g. I
> have it setup so the information of my Netatmo Wweather Station is displayed
> there, my Scotia Bank app can be set up so it displays account balances on
> the widget so I have those there etc. This means instead of having to open
> Netatmo and looking at the outside and inside modules separately I can just
> do a 3-finger swipe left to right to go to the Today screen and get a
> summary of current temperatures, humidity etc. at all my modules. The same
> with my bank app, instead of having to open it and sign in, I can just swipe
> right if I just want to see my balance etc.
> I think of it as no different than swiping down from the taskbar to go to
> the notification centre or up to go to the control centre, it's there if I
> want it and if I don't want it or need it I don't have to go there. I think
> there are a few OCD type personalities who are greatly offended by the fact
> that the first home page is now calleD "2 OF 4" OR however many home pages
> you have. All I can say there is so what, it's just that Apple chose to call
> the Today page page 1, if you are anywhere and press the home button you
> still go to your first home page (page 2) so it's not like you always end up
> there if you don't want to and if you don't wat to use the widgets there
> just ignore it.
>
> As for the app switcher I am not sure what the problem is, I don't have that
> issue. I can close any app with a 3-finger swipe up or with a single finger
> swipe up or down to put the rotor on "Close" and then double tap. Note if
> you use the rotor gesture you don't have to do the one-finger flick again
> unless you end up on "home" and swipe left again to close more programs, if
> that happens you do have to swipe down or up again so Voiceover says "close"
> followed by the app name. This is the same when you tap on the "Pages"
> button at the bottom right in Safari. This brings up a list of open
> pages/tabs in Safari, you flick down with one finger to "Close" and then
> double tap and now if you have 8 more pages/tabs to close you can simply
> touch each one to focus on it and double tap as the rotor will remain on the
> "close" function.
> I have no idea what said "Hello" and why it said so. Maybe you can explain
> this more.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of deidre muccio
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: last update
>
>
>   I have read here that the most current update will overall help your 
> phone
> work far more efficiently. Really? Is this a fact? I'm not so impressed with
> some of the new features of the last update, and here we are onto 11.
>   Is anyone finding that page 1 Home thing of any use? As it is I moved 
> the
> HOME icon to a far page because I don't even want to see it.
>   I'm also often getting stuck when in the app switcher trying to close 
> out
> applications. Facebook is particularly obnoxious and I could not close it
> without shutting down the phone. First it had to say hello then ask me to
> either double tap to activate the program, or hit on the button before it
> would do anything. I could not simply close it out. I'm not even sure the
> program was open but why was it sitting there prompting me to do something
> with it? . I'll give it up before I spend another minute fussing with it.
>   Please lighten my load of ignorance over another issue if I am off the 
> wall
> with this next comment.
>   When doing searches using a very old update on a 4S, when I do a search,
> the results are solid and get me to a web site with real language in it and
> not a whole lot of extraneous links. Is the arrangement of results when
> doing searches with current updates likely to be different? Also even though
> there is an option to choose Google as my default for a search engine, it
> always brings up search results via BING. I remember on the old desktop BING
> kept reasserting itself no matter what. I hate this kind of lack of
> control.
>   Ok, was that off the wall?
>
>   Deidre
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Re: Editing large chunks of text

[Michael Feir]

I would second the recommendation to use a Bluetooth keyboard for major
text editing. I really like an app called Ulysses. It uses a Markdown
language and that lets you know precisely what your formatting commands
will do. Also, you can divide long documents into sheets which can be
grouped. That lets you change their order very easily. A pricy choice at
around $30 Canadian when I bought it but it's been worth every penny for
me. One of the best apps I've ever come across.
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:37 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> I have not used Pages in a long time.  I never got it working very well
> with VoiceOver.
> Do you have a Bluetooth keyboard?  That might be better.  I don't recall
> it working that well with gestures.
>
> Perhaps a Pages users will chime in.
>
> Richard
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Harry Bell
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 9:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Editing large chunks of text
>
> Sorry, iOS 10.3.2 and trying to navigate and edit using Pages.
> Thanks
> Harry
>
> > On 5 Jun 2017, at 17:05, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
> >
> > It would help to know what app you are using.
> > I know you know you have to be in a place where VoiceOver says editing,
> but even that can behave differently depending on the app.
> > Are you truly using 10.2, not 10.3.2?
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Harry Bell
> > Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 8:45 AM
> > To: Abridged Recipients 
> > Subject: Editing large chunks of text
> >
> > I'm looking for instructions on how to move through and edit large
> chunks of text on iPhone 7 plus or iPad Air running iOS 10.2. I try
> delecting Words or Lines in the rotor but mostly when I swipe, the cursor
> still mover by character. And if I get voiceover to read continuously then
> pause and try to use Text Selection at that point, the cursor does not
> start where Voiceover left off reading. Can someone point me to a set of
> instructions for such text navigation and editing?
> > Thanks
> > Harry
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RE: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did she go to the school in Marburg?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Craig Werner
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

My thanks to everyone who has replied to this thread.  My German friend feels 
more comfortable with WhatsApp than she does with FaceTime, so I'll give 
WhatsApp a try.

Sieghard, my friend does not know you, but I passed on your best anyway.  
Thanks.

Craig
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Robert Doc Wright 
> wrote:
I have a friend in South Africa and we speak a lot via What's app. I have
had no problems.
- Original Message -
From: "Craig Werner" >
To: >
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 8:16 PM
Subject: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany


> Hello, everyone.
>
> A friend of mine from Germany is visiting the U.S. for a few weeks and
> has brought her iPhone with her.  She does not have a data plan for
> the States, and my phone plan does not allow me to phone a German
> mobile phone at a low cost.  We are considering FaceTime or WhatsApp
> as a way to keep in touch.  I am rather wary of WhatsApp since I have
> heard reports that its address book sharing can introduce malware into
> the iPhone.  I have no idea if these reports are credible.  Does
> anyone have any experience with comparing FaceTime and WhatsApp in a
> scenario such as the one I have described?  Note that we are not
> interested in exchanging any video component, just voice data.
>
> Thank you for all help.
>
> Craig
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RE: last update

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Deidre,

I assume when you say you moved the "Home icon" to the last page you mean the 
Home app from Apple. If so then this has very little to do with what Voiceover 
calls Page 1 which is called the Today screen. I do find it useful, but I did 
customize it to show me the stuff I want to see, e.g. I have it setup so the 
information of my Netatmo Wweather Station is displayed there, my Scotia Bank 
app can be set up so it displays account balances on the widget so I have those 
there etc. This means instead of having to open Netatmo and looking at the 
outside and inside modules separately I can just do a 3-finger swipe left to 
right to go to the Today screen and get a summary of current temperatures, 
humidity etc. at all my modules. The same with my bank app, instead of having 
to open it and sign in, I can just swipe right if I just want to see my balance 
etc.
I think of it as no different than swiping down from the taskbar to go to the 
notification centre or up to go to the control centre, it's there if I want it 
and if I don't want it or need it I don't have to go there. I think there are a 
few OCD type personalities who are greatly offended by the fact that the first 
home page is now calleD "2 OF 4" OR however many home pages you have. All I can 
say there is so what, it's just that Apple chose to call the Today page page 1, 
if you are anywhere and press the home button you still go to your first home 
page (page 2) so it's not like you always end up there if you don't want to and 
if you don't wat to use the widgets there just ignore it.

As for the app switcher I am not sure what the problem is, I don't have that 
issue. I can close any app with a 3-finger swipe up or with a single finger 
swipe up or down to put the rotor on "Close" and then double tap. Note if you 
use the rotor gesture you don't have to do the one-finger flick again unless 
you end up on "home" and swipe left again to close more programs, if that 
happens you do have to swipe down or up again so Voiceover says "close" 
followed by the app name. This is the same when you tap on the "Pages" button 
at the bottom right in Safari. This brings up a list of open pages/tabs in 
Safari, you flick down with one finger to "Close" and then double tap and now 
if you have 8 more pages/tabs to close you can simply touch each one to focus 
on it and double tap as the rotor will remain on the "close" function.
I have no idea what said "Hello" and why it said so. Maybe you can explain this 
more.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
deidre muccio
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: last update


I have read here that the most current update will overall help your 
phone work far more efficiently. Really? Is this a fact? I'm not so impressed 
with some of the new features of the last update, and here we are onto 11. 
Is anyone finding that page 1 Home thing of any use? As it is I moved 
the HOME icon to a far page because I don't even want to see it.
I'm also often getting stuck when in the app switcher trying to close 
out applications. Facebook is particularly obnoxious and I could not close it 
without shutting down the phone. First it had to say hello then ask me to 
either double tap to activate the program, or hit on the button before it would 
do anything. I could not simply close it out. I'm not even sure the program was 
open but why was it sitting there prompting me to do something with it? . I'll 
give it up before I spend another minute fussing with it.
Please lighten my load of ignorance over another issue if I am off the 
wall with this next comment.
When doing searches using a very old update on a 4S, when I do a 
search, the results are solid and get me to a web site with real language in it 
and not a whole lot of extraneous links. Is the arrangement of results when 
doing searches with current updates likely to be different? Also even though 
there is an option to choose Google as my default for a search engine, it 
always brings up search results via BING. I remember on the old desktop BING 
kept reasserting itself no matter what. I hate this kind of lack of control.
Ok, was that off the wall?

Deidre

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RE: Editing large chunks of text

[Richard Turner]

I have not used Pages in a long time.  I never got it working very well with 
VoiceOver.
Do you have a Bluetooth keyboard?  That might be better.  I don't recall it 
working that well with gestures.

Perhaps a Pages users will chime in.

Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Harry Bell
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 9:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Editing large chunks of text

Sorry, iOS 10.3.2 and trying to navigate and edit using Pages. 
Thanks
Harry

> On 5 Jun 2017, at 17:05, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> It would help to know what app you are using.
> I know you know you have to be in a place where VoiceOver says editing, but 
> even that can behave differently depending on the app.
> Are you truly using 10.2, not 10.3.2?
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Harry Bell
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 8:45 AM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Editing large chunks of text
> 
> I'm looking for instructions on how to move through and edit large chunks of 
> text on iPhone 7 plus or iPad Air running iOS 10.2. I try delecting Words or 
> Lines in the rotor but mostly when I swipe, the cursor still mover by 
> character. And if I get voiceover to read continuously then pause and try to 
> use Text Selection at that point, the cursor does not start where Voiceover 
> left off reading. Can someone point me to a set of instructions for such text 
> navigation and editing?
> Thanks
> Harry
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Re: Editing large chunks of text

[Harry Bell]

Sorry, iOS 10.3.2 and trying to navigate and edit using Pages. 
Thanks
Harry

> On 5 Jun 2017, at 17:05, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> It would help to know what app you are using.
> I know you know you have to be in a place where VoiceOver says editing, but 
> even that can behave differently depending on the app.
> Are you truly using 10.2, not 10.3.2?
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Harry Bell
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 8:45 AM
> To: Abridged Recipients 
> Subject: Editing large chunks of text
> 
> I'm looking for instructions on how to move through and edit large chunks of 
> text on iPhone 7 plus or iPad Air running iOS 10.2. I try delecting Words or 
> Lines in the rotor but mostly when I swipe, the cursor still mover by 
> character. And if I get voiceover to read continuously then pause and try to 
> use Text Selection at that point, the cursor does not start where Voiceover 
> left off reading. Can someone point me to a set of instructions for such text 
> navigation and editing?
> Thanks
> Harry
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RE: Google Assistant is now an iPhone app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Shawn,

Well, I am sure all the canadian who are waiting for the Echo to be available 
here “officially” your concern you may loose your american accounts may sound a 
bit selfish *smile*.
Anyhow, I doubt there would be a problem, you could always use a VPN service 
and continue to use the american account. There used to be a time when we had 
very few choices here in Canada with respect to music streaming services, but 
now that Spotify is here as well as Deezer, Tidal, Apple Music and I assume 
Google Play Music I am personally not very worried about having to jump through 
all sorts of hoops to get american content. It would be nice if there was a bit 
more choice with video streaming, for th emost part that is Netflix here and a 
lot of the content is not available here because of our copyright laws, but I 
know that in time this will also change, maybe it will be a few more years, but 
it must because people demand it and while certain american Presidents are 
trying to close off America from trade, I think virtual borders will continue 
to come down over time.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 8:19 PM
To: 'Adrian Leong' via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Google Assistant is now an iPhone app

Hey. From what I've been playing around with in the Google Assistant, Tunein 
isn't available. Only Youtube and Apple Music. Also, in regards to Sieghard's 
comments, I'd be a little worried if Amazon were to start shipping the Echo 
here in Canada. Sure, it would be cool, but seeing as I already have one, if 
they do start shipping here in Canada, I might lose my Pandora and iHeartRadio 
US accounts. It would be nice if Pandora were available here in Canada, but I 
kinda doubt it will. And our iHeartRadio is crap compared to the US's so they 
need to fix that before I'd be relaxed about the Echo being supported in Canada.

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On Jun 4, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> wrote:

No, the Google Assistant is also not available here in Canada at this point 
just as the google Home Speaker is not yet available although apparently this 
is supposed to change later this year.
Also, ind typical Google fashion the google Assistant app apparently wants to 
keep track of your location at all times even when you are not using the app so 
it can collect as much information about you as possible.
It is interesting how there is a lot of discussion how Apple is totally missing 
the boat on the smart speaker category, but one thing that isn’t mentioned is 
that devices like the Amazon Echo or Google Home are only available in the US 
and a couple of other countries, I believe the Echo is available in the UK and 
Germany, but it is not even available in Canada and we only just now are able 
to use Amazon Video here. If the rumours are true Apple may release a smart 
speaker tomorrow or if not then maybe in September or October and it will be 
interesting to see if Apple is making it available in many more countries. I 
know not all Apple services have always been available everywhere, but I could 
see how such a device might be available wherever apple also sells iPhones or 
at least where SIRI is available since of course SIRI would be absolutely 
required for this to work. If so and if Apple is finally giving SIRI the 
necessary upgrade to bring it more in line with what Alexa and Google Home can 
do then Apple could very quickly gain a strong foothold in this market simply 
because the other companies didn’t bother to make their device available 
outside the US and a handful of other countries.

Regards,
Sieghard

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
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Apparently you can't use it without a GMail account?

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RE: Switching between Nav on/off on an Apex?

[Casey]

Hi witch version of thunderbird are you using may I ask and are you using it 
with Jaws?




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Using a BrailleNote Apex as a Braille display and keyboard on an iPhone 
5S, what's the command to quickly switch between Nav modes, like on a 
qwerty keyboard one does with I think left arrows together? On the 
website of

http://www.iaccessblog.com/braillenote-apex-ios-command-list/

which I use as a quick reference, I can't seem to find the command.

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RE: Editing large chunks of text

[Richard Turner]

It would help to know what app you are using.
I know you know you have to be in a place where VoiceOver says editing, but 
even that can behave differently depending on the app.
Are you truly using 10.2, not 10.3.2?

Richard


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Subject: Editing large chunks of text

I'm looking for instructions on how to move through and edit large chunks of 
text on iPhone 7 plus or iPad Air running iOS 10.2. I try delecting Words or 
Lines in the rotor but mostly when I swipe, the cursor still mover by 
character. And if I get voiceover to read continuously then pause and try to 
use Text Selection at that point, the cursor does not start where Voiceover 
left off reading. Can someone point me to a set of instructions for such text 
navigation and editing?
Thanks
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Editing large chunks of text

[Harry Bell]

I'm looking for instructions on how to move through and edit large chunks of 
text on iPhone 7 plus or iPad Air running iOS 10.2. I try delecting Words or 
Lines in the rotor but mostly when I swipe, the cursor still mover by 
character. And if I get voiceover to read continuously then pause and try to 
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left off reading. Can someone point me to a set of instructions for such text 
navigation and editing?
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RE: Two VO gestures I just can't figure out!!;

[Steve Sweeney]

Hi,
The easiest way I have found to get to the top of the list is to double tap on 
the clock at the top of the screen.  No other taps are needed.
-Steve


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Hi Jennifer, as richard said, touching the status bar than double tapping there 
quickly get you back to the top. You don't need to fool with a pinch gesture 
since iOS has had a text selection mode that you can have in your router. Put 
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select, moved a text selection in the rotor, then flick right and you will be 
selecting text by the unit you picked. The text that you're selecting will be 
announced. Once you're done, move the router to edit moved a copy, and you're 
good. Much easier than the pinch gesture, which never worked well for me. Good 
luck.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> Can someone please explain to me how to perform the pinch gesture when 
> wanting to copy text? Edit is in my rotor but isn't always an option for some 
> reason. 
> Also, to get to the top of a page or list... the double tap on the top of the 
> screen never works... unless I'm of course doing it wrong. 
> Help?
> Thanks in advance.
> Jen
> 
> 
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Switching between Nav on/off on an Apex?

[Gerardo Corripio]

Using a BrailleNote Apex as a Braille display and keyboard on an iPhone 
5S, what's the command to quickly switch between Nav modes, like on a 
qwerty keyboard one does with I think left arrows together? On the 
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http://www.iaccessblog.com/braillenote-apex-ios-command-list/

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Re: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany

[Craig Werner]

My thanks to everyone who has replied to this thread.  My German friend
feels more comfortable with WhatsApp than she does with FaceTime, so I'll
give WhatsApp a try.

Sieghard, my friend does not know you, but I passed on your best anyway.
Thanks.

Craig
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Robert Doc Wright 
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> I have a friend in South Africa and we speak a lot via What's app. I have
> had no problems.
> - Original Message -
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> To: 
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> Subject: WhatsApp or FaceTime: Keeping up with a Friend from Germany
>
>
> > Hello, everyone.
> >
> > A friend of mine from Germany is visiting the U.S. for a few weeks and
> > has brought her iPhone with her.  She does not have a data plan for
> > the States, and my phone plan does not allow me to phone a German
> > mobile phone at a low cost.  We are considering FaceTime or WhatsApp
> > as a way to keep in touch.  I am rather wary of WhatsApp since I have
> > heard reports that its address book sharing can introduce malware into
> > the iPhone.  I have no idea if these reports are credible.  Does
> > anyone have any experience with comparing FaceTime and WhatsApp in a
> > scenario such as the one I have described?  Note that we are not
> > interested in exchanging any video component, just voice data.
> >
> > Thank you for all help.
> >
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old bug in mail

[deidre muccio]

And when is the bug with mail ever going to be remedied. When closing 
an e mail I lose voice for quite some time, and I mean for a whole lot more 
than a mere few seconds. 

Deidre

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last update

[deidre muccio]

I have read here that the most current update will overall help your 
phone work far more efficiently. Really? Is this a fact? I'm not so impressed 
with some of the new features of the last update, and here we are onto 11. 
Is anyone finding that page 1 Home thing of any use? As it is I moved 
the HOME icon to a far page because I don't even want to see it.
I'm also often getting stuck when in the app switcher trying to close 
out applications. Facebook is particularly obnoxious and I could not close it 
without shutting down the phone. First it had to say hello then ask me to 
either double tap to activate the program, or hit on the button before it would 
do anything. I could not simply close it out. I'm not even sure the program was 
open but why was it sitting there prompting me to do something with it? . I'll 
give it up before I spend another minute fussing with it.
Please lighten my load of ignorance over another issue if I am off the 
wall with this next comment.
When doing searches using a very old update on a 4S, when I do a 
search, the results are solid and get me to a web site with real language in it 
and not a whole lot of extraneous links. Is the arrangement of results when 
doing searches with current updates likely to be different? Also even though 
there is an option to choose Google as my default for a search engine, it 
always brings up search results via BING. I remember on the old desktop BING 
kept reasserting itself no matter what. I hate this kind of lack of control.
Ok, was that off the wall?

Deidre

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Re: Two VO gestures I just can't figure out!!;

[Mary Otten]

Hi Jennifer, as richard said, touching the status bar than double tapping there 
quickly get you back to the top. You don't need to fool with a pinch gesture 
since iOS has had a text selection mode that you can have in your router. Put 
that in your rotor, turn to it, then you can choose by flicking up or down to 
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announced. Once you're done, move the router to edit moved a copy, and you're 
good. Much easier than the pinch gesture, which never worked well for me. Good 
luck.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> Can someone please explain to me how to perform the pinch gesture when 
> wanting to copy text? Edit is in my rotor but isn't always an option for some 
> reason. 
> Also, to get to the top of a page or list... the double tap on the top of the 
> screen never works... unless I'm of course doing it wrong. 
> Help?
> Thanks in advance.
> Jen
> 
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Re: Reading epub eBooks on overdrive on IPhone

[Richard Turner]

I'd recommend you write to supp...@bookshare.org

I am in the United States and am not sure how to find that out without asking 
bookshare directly.
Richard


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> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:42 AM, Husna Begum  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> but i live in the UK, how many of the bookshare books are available to people 
> who live in the UK?
> 
> Thanks, Husna
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 3:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Reading epub eBooks on overdrive on IPhone
> 
> Yu can read non DRM ePub files with Voice Dream Reader.  Or, join Bookshare 
> and access their books with Voice Dream Reader.
> But, as Mark said, if you are wanting eBooks from a library, they are not 
> accessible.
> Bookshare, for $50 per year has more eBooks than you will ever read and many 
> are the same ones that you could buy through Kindle, Nook, iBooks, since they 
> get much of their material directly from the publishers.
> As of today, their web site says they have "550,000 titles s
> and counting!"
> 
> www.bookshare.org
> 
> Richard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 9:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Reading epub eBooks on overdrive on IPhone
> 
> Hello Husna,
> 
> While I enjoy audio books, every day on my iPhone via the Over Drive app, 
> currently, it is not possible to read eBooks via Over Drive when VoiceOver is 
> enabled.
> 
> Be that as it may, I strongly recommend the iOS Over Drive app to anyone who 
> enjoys Audible audiobook content, as they use the exact same files, though 
> the cover art may differ.
> 
> For example, I have downloaded over 30  audiobooks via Over Drive since the 
> start of the year, absolutely free.  Of course, these titles are made 
> available via the public library system and, as such, one can listen to them 
> for the allotted checkout time.  In my case, that is 21 days.  Still, it 
> beats paying 20+ dollars or more for an audio book that I will most likely 
> only listen to, once.  And of course, I can check out the books anytime they 
> are available or be placed on an automatic waist list.
> 
> Should you decide to use Over Drive for audio books, be sure to join as many 
> of your local libraries as possible so that you will have the widest 
> selection of titles.  For example, sometimes, I will search for a title that 
> is not available in one library but is available at another.
> 
> Good luck and enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Husna Begum
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 6:30 PM
> To: idevices; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Reading epub eBooks on overdrive on IPhone
> 
> Hi,
> 
> How can you read epub eBooks on the overdrive app on the IPhone?
> 
> Thanks, Husna
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Re: Two VO gestures I just can't figure out!!;

[Richard Turner]

To get back to the top of a list, you can touch with one finger in the status 
bar, then do the one finger double tap and when you then touch on the main 
portion of the screen it will be back at the top of a list.
Example, if you have 100 apps on your phone, and you are in settings, and are 
at the last app, and want to get back to the very top setting, the quickest way 
to get there is to touch in the status bar then double tap.

Richard


Noun: trumpery
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2. Ornamental objects of no great value
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> On Jun 5, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Robert Doc Wright  
> wrote:
> 
> Correction, to get to the top or bottom of a screen or document you touch the 
> screen with 4 fingers in an area near your mute switch. To get to the bottom 
> touch 4 fingers just above the home button.
> 
> the pinch gesture is opposite of what you know as pinching. You start with 
> your thumb and index finger together and move them away from each other to 
> encompass the text you wish to select.
> - Original Message - From: "Jenifer Barr" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:42 AM
> Subject: Two VO gestures I just can't figure out!!;
> 
> 
>> Hi all.
>> Can someone please explain to me how to perform the pinch gesture when 
>> wanting to copy text? Edit is in my rotor but isn't always an option for 
>> some reason.
>> Also, to get to the top of a page or list... the double tap on the top of 
>> the screen never works... unless I'm of course doing it wrong.
>> Help?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Jen
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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re: hot spot

[rajmund]

Hi,
4) She will be using her mobile data.
3) You may have to turn on and off hotspot, to be seen again, at 
least I do with my note takers, although she could always just 
plug it in with USB.  2) If she moves away, as long as she's 
within a certain amount of range, the phone and laptop stay 
connected.
1) She'll have to enter the key, if she chooses the wireless, 
over the USB option.



- Original Message -
From: Ann Byrne 

re: ios 11

[rajmund]

Hi,
No, but we may hear something today.

- Original Message -
From: Robert Doc Wright 

Re: Two VO gestures I just can't figure out!!;

[Robert Doc Wright]

Correction, to get to the top or bottom of a screen or document you touch 
the screen with 4 fingers in an area near your mute switch. To get to the 
bottom touch 4 fingers just above the home button.


the pinch gesture is opposite of what you know as pinching. You start with 
your thumb and index finger together and move them away from each other to 
encompass the text you wish to select.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jenifer Barr" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:42 AM
Subject: Two VO gestures I just can't figure out!!;



Hi all.
Can someone please explain to me how to perform the pinch gesture when 
wanting to copy text? Edit is in my rotor but isn't always an option for 
some reason.
Also, to get to the top of a page or list... the double tap on the top of 
the screen never works... unless I'm of course doing it wrong.

Help?
Thanks in advance.
Jen


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Reading epub eBooks on overdrive on IPhone

[Husna Begum]

hi,

but i live in the UK, how many of the bookshare books are available to 
people who live in the UK?


Thanks, Husna


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Turner

Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Reading epub eBooks on overdrive on IPhone

Yu can read non DRM ePub files with Voice Dream Reader.  Or, join Bookshare 
and access their books with Voice Dream Reader.
But, as Mark said, if you are wanting eBooks from a library, they are not 
accessible.
Bookshare, for $50 per year has more eBooks than you will ever read and many 
are the same ones that you could buy through Kindle, Nook, iBooks, since 
they get much of their material directly from the publishers.

As of today, their web site says they have "550,000 titles s
 and counting!"

www.bookshare.org

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of M. Taylor

Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 9:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Reading epub eBooks on overdrive on IPhone

Hello Husna,

While I enjoy audio books, every day on my iPhone via the Over Drive app, 
currently, it is not possible to read eBooks via Over Drive when VoiceOver 
is enabled.


Be that as it may, I strongly recommend the iOS Over Drive app to anyone who 
enjoys Audible audiobook content, as they use the exact same files, though 
the cover art may differ.


For example, I have downloaded over 30  audiobooks via Over Drive since the 
start of the year, absolutely free.  Of course, these titles are made 
available via the public library system and, as such, one can listen to them 
for the allotted checkout time.  In my case, that is 21 days.  Still, it 
beats paying 20+ dollars or more for an audio book that I will most likely 
only listen to, once.  And of course, I can check out the books anytime they 
are available or be placed on an automatic waist list.


Should you decide to use Over Drive for audio books, be sure to join as many 
of your local libraries as possible so that you will have the widest 
selection of titles.  For example, sometimes, I will search for a title that 
is not available in one library but is available at another.


Good luck and enjoy,

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Husna Begum

Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 6:30 PM
To: idevices; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Reading epub eBooks on overdrive on IPhone

Hi,

How can you read epub eBooks on the overdrive app on the IPhone?

Thanks, Husna

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Two VO gestures I just can't figure out!!;

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi all.
Can someone please explain to me how to perform the pinch gesture when wanting 
to copy text? Edit is in my rotor but isn't always an option for some reason. 
Also, to get to the top of a page or list... the double tap on the top of the 
screen never works... unless I'm of course doing it wrong. 
Help?
Thanks in advance.
Jen


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