RE: Deleting messages in IOS 11.3.1

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jim,

Yes, I can confirm the iOS 11.3.1 VoiceOver focus behavior you described.

Mark


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jim Fettgather
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Deleting messages in IOS 11.3.1

Hello.
I have noticed that while in a group of messages, and I flick down to delete a 
group of messages, and then respond to the delete confirmation, I am placed 
back at the Edit button at the top left of the screen, instead of focus being 
in the list of messages right where I left off.
Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
Thanks.

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Re: siri and dictation are speaking extremely softly

[regina alvarado]

Thank you Candy. I think I learned something new. Of course, sometimes when you 
don’t do something very often you forget how to do it. I don’t know if this is 
one of those or I did not know that. However, thank you so much it worked like 
a miracle!

Reggie and Lex

On May 18, 2018, at 10:13 PM, Candie Stiles  wrote:

You need to press the volume up button while you are using Siri to get the 
volume to turn up higher.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2018, at 7:12 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, when I push home to use Siri or hit the button to dictate I cannot hear 
> anything in return. It is so soft I cannot hear the words. I have rebooted my 
> phone. I have turned Siri off and back on. Is anyone having these problems. 
> Did you solve it and how? Any information about this is greatly appreciated. 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
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Re: Dictating new phone contact.

[Richard Turner]

Also, you cannot dictate the phone number, you will have to enter it manually.
Also, when in editing mode in a field, a two finger double tap will begin 
dictation and the same gesture will stop dictation.
HTH,
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On May 18, 2018, at 7:04 PM, kitty hevener 
> wrote:

Hi Carolyn, I think you have to get in to the field first and then dictate the 
info for that field.  So, if you wanted to enter someone's last name, you would 
have to flick right till you find "last name" field.  When u find it, do a 
single finger double tap then activate the dictation button, say name, and 
deactivate dictation button.  Make sense?

-Original Message- From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Dictating new phone contact.

Thank you, Kitty. I did finally get it on with help from a nice lady, Regina at 
Apple Accessibility. Now, here's what I'm not getting is when I press it, do I 
say first or first and last name; then do I double tap? Then can I dictate the 
number or dial it? Thanks, Kitty.

I live in Sanford, NC, and just abouteveryone I know here (sighted) have 
iPhones.

Best regards,

Carolyn


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kitty hevener
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:44 PM
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Subject: Re: Dictating new phone contact.

Hi Carolyn, Just wanted to introduce myself and help you get dictation going.  
I am Kitty in cincinnati oh.  I have bee using iphone since sept or oct.  It 
sounds like you are getting the “enable dictation” error because dictation is 
not turned on.  To enable it, open settings and double tap on general.  From 
there, swipe or flick right till you come to keyboard. Double tap on it.  Move 
to the right till u see enable dictation.  Double tap on it.  Once it has been 
enabled, it will stay on till u change the setting.  Let me know how it works 
for you.
From: Carolyn Arnold 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Dictating new phone contact.


I went to contacts and got to add, then to dictation, and it said enable 
dictation. What do I do to enable dictation. I double tapped and tried to find 
something. My friend said her phone did not say that.







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Re: siri and dictation are speaking extremely softly

[Candie Stiles]

You need to press the volume up button while you are using Siri to get the 
volume to turn up higher.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2018, at 7:12 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, when I push home to use Siri or hit the button to dictate I cannot hear 
> anything in return. It is so soft I cannot hear the words. I have rebooted my 
> phone. I have turned Siri off and back on. Is anyone having these problems. 
> Did you solve it and how? Any information about this is greatly appreciated. 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
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siri and dictation are speaking extremely softly

[regina alvarado]

Hi, when I push home to use Siri or hit the button to dictate I cannot hear 
anything in return. It is so soft I cannot hear the words. I have rebooted my 
phone. I have turned Siri off and back on. Is anyone having these problems. Did 
you solve it and how? Any information about this is greatly appreciated. Thanks.


Reggie and Lex

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Re: Dictating new phone contact.

[kitty hevener]

Hi Carolyn, I think you have to get in to the field first and then dictate 
the info for that field.  So, if you wanted to enter someone's last name, 
you would have to flick right till you find "last name" field.  When u find 
it, do a single finger double tap then activate the dictation button, say 
name, and deactivate dictation button.  Make sense?


-Original Message- 
From: Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Dictating new phone contact.

Thank you, Kitty. I did finally get it on with help from a nice lady, Regina 
at Apple Accessibility. Now, here's what I'm not getting is when I press it, 
do I say first or first and last name; then do I double tap? Then can I 
dictate the number or dial it? Thanks, Kitty.


I live in Sanford, NC, and just abouteveryone I know here (sighted) have 
iPhones.


Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of kitty hevener

Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Dictating new phone contact.

Hi Carolyn, Just wanted to introduce myself and help you get dictation 
going.  I am Kitty in cincinnati oh.  I have bee using iphone since sept or 
oct.  It sounds like you are getting the “enable dictation” error because 
dictation is not turned on.  To enable it, open settings and double tap on 
general.  From there, swipe or flick right till you come to keyboard. 
Double tap on it.  Move to the right till u see enable dictation.  Double 
tap on it.  Once it has been enabled, it will stay on till u change the 
setting.  Let me know how it works for you.

From: Carolyn Arnold 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Dictating new phone contact.


I went to contacts and got to add, then to dictation, and it said enable 
dictation. What do I do to enable dictation. I double tapped and tried to 
find something. My friend said her phone did not say that.








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Re: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.

[Jessica Dail]

Hi,
I’ve had that happened with my 7+, and its not good.
It happens randomly.



> On May 18, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Debby  wrote:
> 
> Hmm! I just  checked my phone and auto ducking is turned off.  So i don’t 
> think that is the cure!
> 
> Debby 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 18, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I'll remember that. A guy on another list said to go to Settings, General, 
>> Accessibilities, Voice Over, then to Audio and turn off ducking. I did, but 
>> haven't used the phone since I followed those instructions. 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Carolyn 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Debby
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 5:17 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my 
>> ear.
>> 
>> A press of the power button works for me and since I already have my fingers 
>> wrapped around the phone it is convenient! 
>> 
>> Debby
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Carolyn Arnold
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 9:22 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my 
>> ear.
>> 
>> I'll try that home button, thanks. 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Carolyn 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Marie
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:30 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my 
>> ear.
>> 
>> Unfortunately this is a problem that happens occasionally. The Apple techs 
>> are aware of it but no solution thus far. When it happens, press the home 
>> button quickly and it will turn it off. I wish I had better news for you but 
>> no go.
>> Marie
>> 
>> 
>> From: Carolyn Arnold 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.
>> 
>> 
>> How do I get the speaker to turn off on my iPhone SE, when it comes on in a 
>> conversation. It has happened twice, and putting the phone to my ear does 
>> not solve the problem. Actually, I did not realize I moved it that far from 
>> my ear to cause it to go on speaker. I realize that the device is sensitive, 
>> so it could be that some unnoticeable movement could have triggered it, but, 
>> oh my goodness, what to do to stop it, please? Thanks. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Addendum To: RE: VoiceOver, Apple Maps, Yelp, and Google Trips Make for a Fabulous Vacation

[Maria Reyes]

Good point, Mark. Some things do require sighted help, but tech is helping us 
be more independent. What is funny is that I was listening to an episode of the 
iOS today podcast from the Twit network, and they were talking about traveling. 
They actually mentioned google Trips. 

Sent from my sprint iPhone X!!!

> On May 18, 2018, at 7:12 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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Re: iPhone verses iPad

[Mary Otten]

Well, I always use my mini in portrait mode. Same when I had my old iPad 
original version. And no, the mail doesn’t work like it does on the phone. Your 
landscape mode sounds better, because at least you have the message on the 
right side of the screen I guess, based on my understanding of your 
description. I guess I just like it having a list of messages and then I can do 
what I want in there and if I want to read one, I just double tap. I think it 
reminds me of more how I do mail on the PC. Go through the list, see something 
I want, and press insert down arrow in my case to read the message with 
Thunderbird.
Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2018, at 12:20 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Wonder if this is orientation related,  I always do mail, indeed most things 
> on the iPad, in landscape mode.  From scratch, I think 
> it will open in the default mailbox and in a message, but there's a button in 
> the top/left which always points back up a level. 
> When I'm at mailboxes, I open the Unread one, and then I have a list down the 
> left side column with all unread message threads.  A 
> thread will open to a new side list with one message open,  but sidebar of 
> message list is still down the left side.  I tend to 
> touch middle of the message area, then do a 2-finger flip up to read from the 
> top, and then touch the left side again when I've 
> heard enough and choose a new message.  I go back to top/left corner for the 
> button to back up a level and can flick up on that 
> thread and double-tap delete to lose the whole thread, and carry on down 
> other unread stuff.  This is how I get through mail on the 
> old iPad mini and have done since I first had one.
> 
> I hear the mail will work like the phone if you stand it up in portrait mode.
> 
> RobH.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: iPhone verses iPad
> 
> 
> I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the 
> phone fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the 
> original iPad, and I have an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my 
> phone is totally dead. Mostly, this is because 
> whenever I open the app, it never puts me in the message list. It always puts 
> me in a message. I spend a lot of time in the list, 
> only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good for 
> somethings, but I would really be curious why you think the mail 
> app is so wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other 
> thing, and I don’t think it’s been fixed on the iPad. When 
> you open a message to read it, on the phone, a two finger flick up gets you 
> only the message text, that is, the thing you want to 
> read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk before you get the text. 
> Unless that has recently changed which is possible, because 
> I haven’t used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
>> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped 
>> people who had absolutely no experience with computers or iDevices learn to 
>> use both their iPhone and iPad. And the larger screen 
>> makes some applications very easy to learn. Including the native mail app. 
>> Because it is spread out and there is less of a 
>> learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for the first time.
>> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable 
>> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger 
>> amount of real estate.
>> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon 
>> as it is eligible.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
>> Lemly
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
>> 
>> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
>> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger 
>> screen to either view more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say 
>> an iPhone is easier to navigate with.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kimber Gardner
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad
>> 
>> I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I 
>> find easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that 
>> is more a windows vs mac situation.
>> 
>> I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is 
>> with me all the time and my iPad is not.
>> 
>> I 

RE: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I had regular DTV bundled with Internet. I loved it.. Unfortunately, price went 
over $300 and I was like this is rediculous.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paul and 
Paula Jordan
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

For those who may be interested, Direct TV Has an accessibility feature built 
right in.  a friend who has Direct Tv  says it is fully accessible.  If you're 
interested you might check with your provider and have them set it up.  
Apparently you can record from it, get the guide, find out what is on the DVD 
and more.
God bless!
Paula and Garçon

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Hope Paulos
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 7:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

OK… I am going to try and explain this best I can. I went to the discovery tab, 
then to networks, then found the network I wanted to record… After that, I 
swiped to two on now, and then I swiped to the left most unlabeled buttons… I 
clicked that, and it showed a bunch of shows. I swiped up until I found the 
show that I wanted, and since it was not currently on, (it was in the future), 
I clicked on it with the remote. It gave me the record episode button! I hope 
this helps. If you need me to clarify, I am more than willing to do so. 

Hope Paulos

> On May 18, 2018, at 7:48 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> what if you want to schedule a show to record?
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Hope Paulos
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 6:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
> 
> Sarai   When the show is playing, flick down until you hear info menu. Then 
> flick right until you hear record… Click with the remote and focus will be 
> placed on record episode.
> 
> Hope Paulos
> 
>> On May 18, 2018, at 7:14 AM, Amy Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>> I have not recorded yet I haven't tried it yet but but if u are on 
>> the episode you want to record just flick down and press more info 
>> and there is an option to record the episode.  Otherwise I'm not sure 
>> about recording yet.
>> 
>>> On 5/18/18, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
>>> I found that but not how to record.
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Kliphton Miller
>>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:03 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>> 
>>> It’s called my library.
>>> 
 On May 17, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
  wrote:
 
 Where is the DVR? I cannot find it.
 
 Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:13 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
 
 Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
 Hi everyone.
 The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely 
 difficult to navigate with voice over.
 You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out.
 This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
 
 
 
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Re: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.

[Debby]

Hmm! I just  checked my phone and auto ducking is turned off.  So i don’t think 
that is the cure!

Debby 


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I'll remember that. A guy on another list said to go to Settings, General, 
> Accessibilities, Voice Over, then to Audio and turn off ducking. I did, but 
> haven't used the phone since I followed those instructions. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Debby
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 5:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my 
> ear.
> 
> A press of the power button works for me and since I already have my fingers 
> wrapped around the phone it is convenient! 
> 
> Debby
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 9:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my 
> ear.
> 
> I'll try that home button, thanks. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marie
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my 
> ear.
> 
> Unfortunately this is a problem that happens occasionally. The Apple techs 
> are aware of it but no solution thus far. When it happens, press the home 
> button quickly and it will turn it off. I wish I had better news for you but 
> no go.
> Marie
> 
> 
> From: Carolyn Arnold 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.
> 
> 
> How do I get the speaker to turn off on my iPhone SE, when it comes on in a 
> conversation. It has happened twice, and putting the phone to my ear does not 
> solve the problem. Actually, I did not realize I moved it that far from my 
> ear to cause it to go on speaker. I realize that the device is sensitive, so 
> it could be that some unnoticeable movement could have triggered it, but, oh 
> my goodness, what to do to stop it, please? Thanks. 
> 
> 
> 
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Addendum To: RE: VoiceOver, Apple Maps, Yelp, and Google Trips Make for a Fabulous Vacation

[M. Taylor]

Oops!  I hit the send button before I finished my reply.  See below:

Hello Ann,

The Amazon Go app is for use in any Amazon Go store.  While I went to the one 
in Seattle, I thought they had locations in both San Francisco and New York 
City, as well.  I may be mistaken on that fact.

Yes, in my original post, I meant Apple Maps.  

As I recently posted to Mac Visionaries:

Sometimes, I feel so trapped by my blindness.  There's a whole world out there 
and I would truly love to see it and be a part of it.  

More often than not, I find it extremely difficult to work up enough courage to 
try new things but, sometimes, only sometimes mind you, with the help of mobile 
technology such as iPhone, I manage to succeed for a little while.  (smile)

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ann
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver, Apple Maps, Yelp, and Google Trips Make for a Fabulous 
Vacation

Thanks I installed Yelp and Google Trips.  Amazon Go I believe is for Seattle 
only?  
I think Maps is Apple Maps?  
Now just need to plan a trip in my neighborhood to see what is happening.  
  
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: VoiceOver, Apple Maps, Yelp, and Google Trips Make for a Fabulous 
Vacation

Hello Everyone,

I just returned from a 4-day mini vacation to Seattle, Washington.  

I planned my entire sightseeing excursions using the Google Trips app.  In 
addition, I used the Apple Maps transit directions and walking directions the 
entire time.  All of this via VoiceOver.  Oh, yes, I used Yelp, extensively, 
also.  

Seattle has a mono-rail, a light rail system, and several bus systems.  It is 
truly a metropolitan destination.  

I stayed at a hotel in downtown Seattle.  So, for example, I took the light 
rail to the downtown area and then walked about 20 minutes to my hotel.  The 
Apple Maps directions were perfect.  I really liked the fact that I could 
easily track each train stop along the way so that I knew exactly where to exit 
the coach.  I did not realize, until this trip that one can use swiping 
gestures to navigate along any transit route in order to monitor one's progress 
along the route.  Very, very impressive.  

I won't bore you with the details but I will tell you that, thanks to the 
Google Trips app, along with Apple Maps, and Yelp, I toured the Space Needle, 
went to the Waterfall Garden Park, home of the original UPS store, took an 
underground city tour, took a 1-hour harbor crews tour, explored Pike Square, 
Pioneer Square, Bell Town, the Market Square, went to the original Starbucks, 
took a ride on the largest Ferris Wheel on the west coast, shopped at the new 
Amazon Go store (an absolutely amazing experience, to say the least), and ate 
at some marvelous restaurants.

My point? I used public transportation, only.  No Uber, Lift, or taxis.
Also, I decided what I was going to do, mostly on the fly, using the Google 
Trips app.

Now I'm not saying that the trip didn't have its challenges, for example, there 
is a lot of construction going on in downtown Seattle and I needed a lot of 
sighted assistance in order to navigate around it, but I am saying that I am 
certain I would not have had as much fun without my beloved iPHone
8 Plus and several very crucial apps such as Yelp, Apple Maps, the Amazon Go 
app, and of course, Google Trips for iOS.

Now I am not suggesting that a blind or low vision person can rely on any 
technology, alone, in order to explore a major city.  After all, at this point 
in history, technology is far from perfect.  And, when it's all said and done, 
what really made my vacation possible, was good old fashion people skills as 
sighted assistance was absolutely necessary for many of the activities 
described above.  Be that as it may, with the help of technology, I was able to 
independently explore the major city attractions and decide how I wanted to 
spend my time.

Let me add that, while I had a backup battery with me, I did not use it.
The battery life on my 8 Plus was beyond amazing.  Even after over 12 hours of 
use, I didn't run out of juice.  Regardless, I was glad to have a mobile 
charging source with me, just in case.

While I had a lot of fun, I am delightfully exhausted and glad to be back.
For, as the saying goes, "there's no place like home."  (smile)

Mark


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RE: VoiceOver, Apple Maps, Yelp, and Google Trips Make for a Fabulous Vacation

[M. Taylor]

Hello Ann,

The Amazon Go app is for use in any Amazon Go store.  While I went to the one 
in Seattle, I thought they had locations in both San Francisco and New York 
City, as well.  I may be mistaken on that fact.

Yes, in my original post, I meant Apple Maps.  





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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ann
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VoiceOver, Apple Maps, Yelp, and Google Trips Make for a Fabulous 
Vacation

Thanks I installed Yelp and Google Trips.  Amazon Go I believe is for Seattle 
only?  
I think Maps is Apple Maps?  
Now just need to plan a trip in my neighborhood to see what is happening.  
  
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: VoiceOver, Apple Maps, Yelp, and Google Trips Make for a Fabulous 
Vacation

Hello Everyone,

I just returned from a 4-day mini vacation to Seattle, Washington.  

I planned my entire sightseeing excursions using the Google Trips app.  In 
addition, I used the Apple Maps transit directions and walking directions the 
entire time.  All of this via VoiceOver.  Oh, yes, I used Yelp, extensively, 
also.  

Seattle has a mono-rail, a light rail system, and several bus systems.  It is 
truly a metropolitan destination.  

I stayed at a hotel in downtown Seattle.  So, for example, I took the light 
rail to the downtown area and then walked about 20 minutes to my hotel.  The 
Apple Maps directions were perfect.  I really liked the fact that I could 
easily track each train stop along the way so that I knew exactly where to exit 
the coach.  I did not realize, until this trip that one can use swiping 
gestures to navigate along any transit route in order to monitor one's progress 
along the route.  Very, very impressive.  

I won't bore you with the details but I will tell you that, thanks to the 
Google Trips app, along with Apple Maps, and Yelp, I toured the Space Needle, 
went to the Waterfall Garden Park, home of the original UPS store, took an 
underground city tour, took a 1-hour harbor crews tour, explored Pike Square, 
Pioneer Square, Bell Town, the Market Square, went to the original Starbucks, 
took a ride on the largest Ferris Wheel on the west coast, shopped at the new 
Amazon Go store (an absolutely amazing experience, to say the least), and ate 
at some marvelous restaurants.

My point? I used public transportation, only.  No Uber, Lift, or taxis.
Also, I decided what I was going to do, mostly on the fly, using the Google 
Trips app.

Now I'm not saying that the trip didn't have its challenges, for example, there 
is a lot of construction going on in downtown Seattle and I needed a lot of 
sighted assistance in order to navigate around it, but I am saying that I am 
certain I would not have had as much fun without my beloved iPHone
8 Plus and several very crucial apps such as Yelp, Apple Maps, the Amazon Go 
app, and of course, Google Trips for iOS.

Now I am not suggesting that a blind or low vision person can rely on any 
technology, alone, in order to explore a major city.  After all, at this point 
in history, technology is far from perfect.  And, when it's all said and done, 
what really made my vacation possible, was good old fashion people skills as 
sighted assistance was absolutely necessary for many of the activities 
described above.  Be that as it may, with the help of technology, I was able to 
independently explore the major city attractions and decide how I wanted to 
spend my time.

Let me add that, while I had a backup battery with me, I did not use it.
The battery life on my 8 Plus was beyond amazing.  Even after over 12 hours of 
use, I didn't run out of juice.  Regardless, I was glad to have a mobile 
charging source with me, just in case.

While I had a lot of fun, I am delightfully exhausted and glad to be back.
For, as the saying goes, "there's no place like home."  (smile)

Mark


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RE: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I'll remember that. A guy on another list said to go to Settings, General, 
Accessibilities, Voice Over, then to Audio and turn off ducking. I did, but 
haven't used the phone since I followed those instructions. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Debby
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 5:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.

A press of the power button works for me and since I already have my fingers 
wrapped around the phone it is convenient! 

Debby

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 9:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.

I'll try that home button, thanks. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.

Unfortunately this is a problem that happens occasionally. The Apple techs are 
aware of it but no solution thus far. When it happens, press the home button 
quickly and it will turn it off. I wish I had better news for you but no go.
Marie
 
 
From: Carolyn Arnold 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.
 

How do I get the speaker to turn off on my iPhone SE, when it comes on in a 
conversation. It has happened twice, and putting the phone to my ear does not 
solve the problem. Actually, I did not realize I moved it that far from my ear 
to cause it to go on speaker. I realize that the device is sensitive, so it 
could be that some unnoticeable movement could have triggered it, but, oh my 
goodness, what to do to stop it, please? Thanks. 

 

 

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Deleting messages in IOS 11.3.1

[Jim Fettgather]

Hello.
I have noticed that while in a group of messages, and I flick down to
delete a group of messages, and then respond to the delete
confirmation, I am placed back at the Edit button at the top left of
the screen, instead of focus being in the list of messages right where
I left off.
Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
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RE: The best color identifyer that would work on an Iphone 5s

[Richard Petty]

Recognizing color and status of LEDs would be so helpful. To my knowledge, 
there are no longer any standalone light detectors available in the U.S. That 
makes having the feature on an IOS device all the more important.

 

From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 5:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The best color identifyer that would work on an Iphone 5s

 

Hi,

 

Something I have noticed, when we discuss these colour identifier apps is: 
people don't seem to grasp the fact that colours are merely light waves, and 
so, change according to the light source. Electric lights change the colour, 
compared with daylight or sunshine. So, in different circumstances, you get 
different results. Saying this, when I use the seeing ai app, it quite often 
says "grey" when the article is absolutely not grey. Also, i am wondering, if 
there is more than the chosen article visible on the screen, how does the app 
choose which colour to identify? For example, a red flowered vest on a white 
bed cover?

 

If it helps at all, I have found camfind to be very good at recognising 
articles and describing patterns and colours.

 

Just my thoughts, but something I would love to see if an app which had and 
"led" mode, which would tell me the status of led lights, how many are visible, 
what is their status, blinking, colour etc.

 

Thanks, Sandy. 

Sent from The dark side of the moon


On 16 May 2018, at 18:47, Yuma Decaux  wrote:

I had a question for everyone who participated in this thread: 

 

Who uses a color identifier frequently? If so, is it part of a function that 
needs checking in numerous lighting conditions? 

 

Sent from sputnik7 


On 16/05/2018, at 10:52 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Taptapsee is as good as any. Color Inspector does well, but they all need good, 
consistent lighting and should not be entirely trusted as much as a stand alone 
device. 

I like TapTapSee because it will also identify a pattern.

Those apps are free.

Richard

 

 

 

“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


On May 16, 2018, at 4:50 AM, "ndagosti...@gmail.com"  
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The subject says it all.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Thank you

 

 

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RE: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.

[Debby]

A press of the power button works for me and since I already have my fingers 
wrapped around the phone it is convenient! 

Debby

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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 9:22 PM
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Subject: RE: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.

I'll try that home button, thanks. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:30 PM
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Subject: Re: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.

Unfortunately this is a problem that happens occasionally. The Apple techs are 
aware of it but no solution thus far. When it happens, press the home button 
quickly and it will turn it off. I wish I had better news for you but no go.
Marie
 
 
From: Carolyn Arnold 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: What to do when speaker comes and I have the phone against my ear.
 

How do I get the speaker to turn off on my iPhone SE, when it comes on in a 
conversation. It has happened twice, and putting the phone to my ear does not 
solve the problem. Actually, I did not realize I moved it that far from my ear 
to cause it to go on speaker. I realize that the device is sensitive, so it 
could be that some unnoticeable movement could have triggered it, but, oh my 
goodness, what to do to stop it, please? Thanks. 

 

 

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RE: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

For those who may be interested, Direct TV Has an accessibility feature built 
right in.  a friend who has Direct Tv  says it is fully accessible.  If you're 
interested you might check with your provider and have them set it up.  
Apparently you can record from it, get the guide, find out what is on the DVD 
and more.
God bless!
Paula and Garçon

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Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

OK… I am going to try and explain this best I can. I went to the discovery tab, 
then to networks, then found the network I wanted to record… After that, I 
swiped to two on now, and then I swiped to the left most unlabeled buttons… I 
clicked that, and it showed a bunch of shows. I swiped up until I found the 
show that I wanted, and since it was not currently on, (it was in the future), 
I clicked on it with the remote. It gave me the record episode button! I hope 
this helps. If you need me to clarify, I am more than willing to do so. 

Hope Paulos

> On May 18, 2018, at 7:48 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> what if you want to schedule a show to record?
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
> 
> Sarai   When the show is playing, flick down until you hear info menu. Then 
> flick right until you hear record… Click with the remote and focus will be 
> placed on record episode.
> 
> Hope Paulos
> 
>> On May 18, 2018, at 7:14 AM, Amy Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>> I have not recorded yet I haven't tried it yet but but if u are on 
>> the episode you want to record just flick down and press more info 
>> and there is an option to record the episode.  Otherwise I'm not sure 
>> about recording yet.
>> 
>>> On 5/18/18, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
>>> I found that but not how to record.
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Kliphton Miller
>>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:03 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>> 
>>> It’s called my library.
>>> 
 On May 17, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
  wrote:
 
 Where is the DVR? I cannot find it.
 
 Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:13 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
 
 Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
 Hi everyone.
 The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely 
 difficult to navigate with voice over.
 You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out.
 This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
 
 
 
 Chuck
 
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List Dropdown Buttons

[Mike B.]

Hi All,

I'm running iOS 11.3 latest on an SE phone.  How do I open and make 
selections / navigate List Dropdown Boxes?  I need to make a selection from 
one of these, but can't seem to get it open to make my choice.  All help 
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Re: Holidays not appearing on iOS calendar

[Kimber Gardner]

Thanks Donna. I was trying to do it from settings which is why it
wasn't looking anything like what the articles were describing.

All is working now.

On 5/18/18, Donna  wrote:
> Hi
>
> Open the calendar app. Tap on Calendars at the bottom. Swipe down to US
> holidays. Tap to turn on holidays to be displayed.
>
> Donna
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Don't ask why it's taken me until May to realize that my iPhone's
>> calendar isn't showing any holidays, but today I realized it's not.
>> Now while I could add them myself that seems like a pain in the butt
>> and unnecessary, but can someone tell me how to get the holidays to
>> show up? I read a couple of posts on one of the support forums but
>> they weren't helpful.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Kim
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Re: Holidays not appearing on iOS calendar

[Donna]

Hi

Open the calendar app. Tap on Calendars at the bottom. Swipe down to US 
holidays. Tap to turn on holidays to be displayed. 

Donna
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Don't ask why it's taken me until May to realize that my iPhone's
> calendar isn't showing any holidays, but today I realized it's not.
> Now while I could add them myself that seems like a pain in the butt
> and unnecessary, but can someone tell me how to get the holidays to
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> Thanks in advance.
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Holidays not appearing on iOS calendar

[Kimber Gardner]

Hi,

Don't ask why it's taken me until May to realize that my iPhone's
calendar isn't showing any holidays, but today I realized it's not.
Now while I could add them myself that seems like a pain in the butt
and unnecessary, but can someone tell me how to get the holidays to
show up? I read a couple of posts on one of the support forums but
they weren't helpful.

Thanks in advance.

Kim

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RE: Phone settings for the 8 Plus

[Carolyn Arnold]

My husband figured out to get rid of that raise to wake too. I think I'm 
getting better battery time too now. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 12:02 AM
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Subject: Re: Phone settings for the 8 Plus

Hello Bill,

Go to Settings, and choose Display & Brightness. One of the options on that 
screen is Raise to Wake. If you turn it off, your phone won't talk when you 
move it around if the screen is locked.

As for making gestures you don't intend, I would suggest going to Settings, 
choosing General, then Accessibility, then VoiceOver. On that screen is an 
option called VoiceOver Practice. If you double-tap that, you open a screen 
where you can try out the various gestures. VoiceOver will tell you which 
gesture it thinks you performed and what that gesture does. Once you get 
familiar with the gestures, you're less likely to perform ones you didn't 
intend. there's a done button in the upper right corner of the screen that you 
can use to stop practicing.

I hope that helps.

Best,
Anna





On May 17, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Bill Outman  > wrote:

Hello.  
 
I’m having a couple issues with my new 8 Plus.  
 
When I jiggle or bump it even slightly, the phone speaks, which can be 
disconcerting to those around me if I’m in a group of people, such as at 
church.  
 
Also, the touch seems very sensitive to the slightest tap, for 
instance, when I hit the home button, sometimes the phone opens a program such 
as Music, which I am not meaning to open at that time.  
 
What do I need to adjust, and where do I find those settings.  
 
Bill Outman 
 

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RE: Dictating new phone contact.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Thank you, Kitty. I did finally get it on with help from a nice lady, Regina at 
Apple Accessibility. Now, here's what I'm not getting is when I press it, do I 
say first or first and last name; then do I double tap? Then can I dictate the 
number or dial it? Thanks, Kitty. 

I live in Sanford, NC, and just abouteveryone I know here (sighted) have 
iPhones. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Hi Carolyn, Just wanted to introduce myself and help you get dictation going.  
I am Kitty in cincinnati oh.  I have bee using iphone since sept or oct.  It 
sounds like you are getting the “enable dictation” error because dictation is 
not turned on.  To enable it, open settings and double tap on general.  From 
there, swipe or flick right till you come to keyboard.  Double tap on it.  Move 
to the right till u see enable dictation.  Double tap on it.  Once it has been 
enabled, it will stay on till u change the setting.  Let me know how it works 
for you.  
From: Carolyn Arnold   
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
Subject: Dictating new phone contact.
 

I went to contacts and got to add, then to dictation, and it said enable 
dictation. What do I do to enable dictation. I double tapped and tried to find 
something. My friend said her phone did not say that. 

 

 

 

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Re: Anyone using: Matias Wireless Aluminum Keyboard for iPhone/Mac/Windows/Android

[Jessica Dail]

Hi,
I have one, and absolutely love it! 
The battery lasts a year, which in itself, is amazing! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
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> Thanks, I’ll probably order one over the next couple of days.
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> I use it on iOS, Mac OS and Windows. Works great.
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Re: Anyone using: Matias Wireless Aluminum Keyboard for iPhone/Mac/Windows/Android

[Russ Kiehne]

Thanks, I’ll probably order one over the next couple of days.

From: Steve Matzura 
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iPhone/Mac/Windows/Android

I use it on iOS, Mac OS and Windows. Works great.




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Re: Anyone using: Matias Wireless Aluminum Keyboard for iPhone/Mac/Windows/Android

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I use it on iOS, Mac OS and Windows. Works great.


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Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Russ Kiehne]

Those of you who are using a ipad, have you thought about using a keyboard 
like the Matias Wireless Aluminum Keyboard for iPhone/Mac/Windows/Android?


-Original Message- 
From: Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND

Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad

This is why I make heavy use of containers on the iPad, especially in the 
settings app.  It makes navigating to the item you have chosen much easier.


I mainly use my iPad for reading books.  Where it makes a difference to me 
as opposed to using my iPhone is when reading Kindle books.  There is a 
noticeable pause when switching pages, so it doesn't seem as intrusive to me 
since with the larger screen, the pauses are less frequent.


All a matter of what works best for the individual.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of 
Michael Feir [michael.f...@gmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad

I have a 2017 referbished iPAD as well as an iPHONE7. Frankly, things are a 
lot more frustrating for me on the iPAD. I find myself strongly gravitating 
to my iPHONE for pretty much everything other than consuming audio or binge 
reading. For instance, it's nice to be able to listen to internet radio 
without burning though my iPOD batteries and taking up my iPHONE. That 
leaves the iPHONE free for other things. However, if I'm working, or want to 
be ready to do other things while listening or reding, I'll use my iPHONE. 
Other than easier use of Braille screen input, I can't think of any 
advantages to using an iPAD other than the headphone jak.


Another thing to keep in mind is that the layouts of a whole lot of apps and 
things are very different as the designers attempt to use the extra space in 
the best way for sighted users. It can feel like starting from square one 
despite using the exact same apps and operating system as on your phone. I'm 
still glad I was able to get the iPAD due to the guide I'm in the process of 
writing. I'll be able to pint all this out and give exaples so my readers 
will hopefully make a more informed decision. I have a lot of spacial 
perceptin issues so that's doubtless a big part of why I so strongly prefer 
my iPHONE's smaller size. The smaller size does force app designers to 
separate apps into different tabs. The Settings app where you configure your 
iOS device is a prime example. The iPAd layout has everything in a tree 
format with branches expanding overtop of things when selected. Everything 
else still remains on the screen. On the iPHONE, the instant you double-tap 
on a setting area, everything else goes away and you can get right to what 
you want. When finished, the "back" button gets you out of where you've 
drilled down into.


On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:24 PM Cristóbal 
> wrote:
The sighted wife has pretty much adopted her 2017 model iPad Pro as a third 
arm, but she’s a huge consumer of visual media and uses it for businesses 
purposes as well. The phone thing to her isn’t as important as if she wants 
to “look” at something, she’ll prefer to do it on the larger screen iPad and 
not her small SE. The phone she more or less just uses it as an actual 
phone. Maybe when she’s out and about to scan stuff like ShopKick or other 
rewards type of apps, but for that, she doesn’t need a huge screen or the 
latest camera phone.
Whereas I on the other hand would be lost without my iPhone and am most 
likely going to upgrade to either whatever Apple’s got coming out this year. 
Be it the new SE if it actually comes out, the new iPhones that usually 
appear in September or maybe pick up one of last year’s models if I’m not 
convinced by what’s coming out this year and the price tag.
In my case, I’d prefer to allocate my money on a better phone and not bother 
with a tablet that I’m probably not going to use. Whereas my wife is 
perfectly happy with her SE and has no desire to upgrade her iPhone any time 
soon since she’d prefer to have an iPad.
I do have a second iPhone for business purposes that I will sometimes use to 
stream music or baseball while working out or if I’m on the treadmill or as 
an extra timer or whatnot, but it’s an old beat up 5S  and it gets the job 
done.
The few times I’ve borrowed her iPad, I’ve been reminded why I don’t want 
one. It is so easy to get lost on the screen trying to find something and 
typing while you think would be easier since the keyboard is larger, it just 
makes it that much harder to find the key you want to press. That and forget 
about using it one handed or somewhere where you’re not stationary or 
sitting down.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:21 AM
To: 

Re: IPhone versess IPad

[Russ Kiehne]

IN my case, I like my ipad mini over my 5th generation ipod touch.  The ipad 
mini has bettersound, better battery life and more volume than my ipod touch.

From: Michael Feir 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad

I have a 2017 referbished iPAD as well as an iPHONE7. Frankly, things are a lot 
more frustrating for me on the iPAD. I find myself strongly gravitating to my 
iPHONE for pretty much everything other than consuming audio or binge reading. 
For instance, it's nice to be able to listen to internet radio without burning 
though my iPOD batteries and taking up my iPHONE. That leaves the iPHONE free 
for other things. However, if I'm working, or want to be ready to do other 
things while listening or reding, I'll use my iPHONE. Other than easier use of 
Braille screen input, I can't think of any advantages to using an iPAD other 
than the headphone jak.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the layouts of a whole lot of apps and 
things are very different as the designers attempt to use the extra space in 
the best way for sighted users. It can feel like starting from square one 
despite using the exact same apps and operating system as on your phone. I'm 
still glad I was able to get the iPAD due to the guide I'm in the process of 
writing. I'll be able to pint all this out and give exaples so my readers will 
hopefully make a more informed decision. I have a lot of spacial perceptin 
issues so that's doubtless a big part of why I so strongly prefer my iPHONE's 
smaller size. The smaller size does force app designers to separate apps into 
different tabs. The Settings app where you configure your iOS device is a prime 
example. The iPAd layout has everything in a tree format with branches 
expanding overtop of things when selected. Everything else still remains on the 
screen. On the iPHONE, the instant you double-tap on a setting area, everything 
else goes away and you can get right to what you want. When finished, the 
"back" button gets you out of where you've drilled down into.

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:24 PM Cristóbal  wrote:

  The sighted wife has pretty much adopted her 2017 model iPad Pro as a third 
arm, but she’s a huge consumer of visual media and uses it for businesses 
purposes as well. The phone thing to her isn’t as important as if she wants to 
“look” at something, she’ll prefer to do it on the larger screen iPad and not 
her small SE. The phone she more or less just uses it as an actual phone. Maybe 
when she’s out and about to scan stuff like ShopKick or other rewards type of 
apps, but for that, she doesn’t need a huge screen or the latest camera phone. 

  Whereas I on the other hand would be lost without my iPhone and am most 
likely going to upgrade to either whatever Apple’s got coming out this year. Be 
it the new SE if it actually comes out, the new iPhones that usually appear in 
September or maybe pick up one of last year’s models if I’m not convinced by 
what’s coming out this year and the price tag.

  In my case, I’d prefer to allocate my money on a better phone and not bother 
with a tablet that I’m probably not going to use. Whereas my wife is perfectly 
happy with her SE and has no desire to upgrade her iPhone any time soon since 
she’d prefer to have an iPad.

  I do have a second iPhone for business purposes that I will sometimes use to 
stream music or baseball while working out or if I’m on the treadmill or as an 
extra timer or whatnot, but it’s an old beat up 5S  and it gets the job done.

  The few times I’ve borrowed her iPad, I’ve been reminded why I don’t want 
one. It is so easy to get lost on the screen trying to find something and 
typing while you think would be easier since the keyboard is larger, it just 
makes it that much harder to find the key you want to press. That and forget 
about using it one handed or somewhere where you’re not stationary or sitting 
down. 



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:21 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com


  Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad




  Remember that having an iPhone, iPad and laptop for most people is overkill. 
Sure, it is nice to have all this stuff, but I don’t see any need for an iPad 
in my life, I use my iPhone all the time and the argument that I want phone 
calls interrupting me or that I want to save my iPhone battery to me at least 
don’t make sense. If I am listening to an audio book on an iPad and I get a 
phone call I want to take it interrupts me anyways and in fact if I am 
listening on the iPad I first have to pause the iPad whereas on my iPhone 
whatever is playing pauses automatically when the phone rings and resumes again 
when I’m done. As for battery I just get a new one put in should it gert to the 
point where it doesn’t hold it’s charge any more, it’s a lot cheaper than 
spending $500 or more on 

Re: update from Seeing AI

[Chantal Ferreira]

I hope it comes to South Africa soon.

I have written to them but they can't tell me when it will be here.
Only that they are working on it.

Kind regards

Chantal

On 5/18/18, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
> I wonder why Seeing AI is not available here in Norway.
> I would like to try this app everybody talks about :)
>
>
> On 18 May 2018 at 04:12, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>> Seeing AI, Today, • Seeing AI is now available in an additional 21
>> countries, bringing the total to 56. The new countries are: Argentina,
>> Bangladesh, Brazil, Bhutan, Egypt, Iraq, Jamaica, Japan, Malaysia,
>> Mexico,
>> Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Saudi Arabia, South
>> Korea, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Turkey, and United Arab Emirates.
>> • Plus, a number of tweaks under the hood., Version 2.1 • 229.1 MB
>>
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
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Anyone using: Matias Wireless Aluminum Keyboard for iPhone/Mac/Windows/Android

[Russ Kiehne]

If so, how do you like it?

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Re: iPhone verses iPad

['Adrian Leong' via VIPhone]

How doo you doo mail in land scape mode?

> On May 18, 2018, at 1:20 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Wonder if this is orientation related,  I always do mail, indeed most things 
> on the iPad, in landscape mode.  From scratch, I think 
> it will open in the default mailbox and in a message, but there's a button in 
> the top/left which always points back up a level. 
> When I'm at mailboxes, I open the Unread one, and then I have a list down the 
> left side column with all unread message threads.  A 
> thread will open to a new side list with one message open,  but sidebar of 
> message list is still down the left side.  I tend to 
> touch middle of the message area, then do a 2-finger flip up to read from the 
> top, and then touch the left side again when I've 
> heard enough and choose a new message.  I go back to top/left corner for the 
> button to back up a level and can flick up on that 
> thread and double-tap delete to lose the whole thread, and carry on down 
> other unread stuff.  This is how I get through mail on the 
> old iPad mini and have done since I first had one.
> 
> I hear the mail will work like the phone if you stand it up in portrait mode.
> 
> RobH.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:12 PM
> Subject: Re: iPhone verses iPad
> 
> 
> I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the 
> phone fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the 
> original iPad, and I have an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my 
> phone is totally dead. Mostly, this is because 
> whenever I open the app, it never puts me in the message list. It always puts 
> me in a message. I spend a lot of time in the list, 
> only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good for 
> somethings, but I would really be curious why you think the mail 
> app is so wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other 
> thing, and I don’t think it’s been fixed on the iPad. When 
> you open a message to read it, on the phone, a two finger flick up gets you 
> only the message text, that is, the thing you want to 
> read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk before you get the text. 
> Unless that has recently changed which is possible, because 
> I haven’t used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
>> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped 
>> people who had absolutely no experience with computers or iDevices learn to 
>> use both their iPhone and iPad. And the larger screen 
>> makes some applications very easy to learn. Including the native mail app. 
>> Because it is spread out and there is less of a 
>> learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for the first time.
>> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable 
>> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger 
>> amount of real estate.
>> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon 
>> as it is eligible.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
>> Lemly
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
>> 
>> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
>> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger 
>> screen to either view more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say 
>> an iPhone is easier to navigate with.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kimber Gardner
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad
>> 
>> I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I 
>> find easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that 
>> is more a windows vs mac situation.
>> 
>> I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is 
>> with me all the time and my iPad is not.
>> 
>> I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks 
>> in mind I can try to address your questions.
>> 
>>> On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a
>>> laptop computer?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
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Re: update from Seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

Hi,
Perhaps you could write directly to Seeing AI and ask them if Norway is on the 
list? The email is: seein...@microsoft.com

I hope they get it to Norway soon for you as it is a great app.
Richard




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On May 18, 2018, at 4:49 AM, Øyvind Lode 
> wrote:

I wonder why Seeing AI is not available here in Norway.
I would like to try this app everybody talks about :)


On 18 May 2018 at 04:12, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
Seeing AI, Today, • Seeing AI is now available in an additional 21
countries, bringing the total to 56. The new countries are: Argentina,
Bangladesh, Brazil, Bhutan, Egypt, Iraq, Jamaica, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico,
Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Saudi Arabia, South
Korea, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Turkey, and United Arab Emirates.
• Plus, a number of tweaks under the hood., Version 2.1 • 229.1 MB

HTH,
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Re: Selecting mails on phone

[Richard Turner]

Go into the rotor settings under the VoiceOver settings and make sure that text 
selection is selected.
Then when in an email, turn the rotor to text selection and flick down to 
select all and then flick right with one finger.
Then turn the rotor to edit and flick up to copy and double tap.
Be sure you are at the beginning of what you want to copy before using text 
selection.
I hope that helps.
Richard



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On May 17, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Turabh 
> wrote:

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: turab chimthanawala >
Date: 10 May 2018 at 6:06:01 PM IST
To: viphone >
Subject: Selecting mails on phone

Hi all,
Apologies for the very basic question. I wish to copy the contents of
a mail into my WhatsApp on my iPhone 6 but am unable to select the
entire message at once. Unlike in case of text messages or WhatsApp
there is no 'Select all' option in rotor and am unable to select the
entire message word by word by single finger double tap.
Eagerly await some solution in this end.
Best
Turab

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Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Hope Paulos]

OK… I am going to try and explain this best I can. I went to the discovery tab, 
then to networks, then found the network I wanted to record… After that, I 
swiped to two on now, and then I swiped to the left most unlabeled buttons… I 
clicked that, and it showed a bunch of shows. I swiped up until I found the 
show that I wanted, and since it was not currently on, (it was in the future), 
I clicked on it with the remote. It gave me the record episode button! I hope 
this helps. If you need me to clarify, I am more than willing to do so. 

Hope Paulos

> On May 18, 2018, at 7:48 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> what if you want to schedule a show to record?
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Hope 
> Paulos
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 6:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
> 
> Sarai   When the show is playing, flick down until you hear info menu. Then 
> flick right until you hear record… Click with the remote and focus will be 
> placed on record episode.
> 
> Hope Paulos
> 
>> On May 18, 2018, at 7:14 AM, Amy Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>> I have not recorded yet I haven't tried it yet but but if u are on the
>> episode you want to record just flick down and press more info and
>> there is an option to record the episode.  Otherwise I'm not sure
>> about recording yet.
>> 
>>> On 5/18/18, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
>>> I found that but not how to record.
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Kliphton Miller
>>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:03 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>> 
>>> It’s called my library.
>>> 
 On May 17, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
  wrote:
 
 Where is the DVR? I cannot find it.
 
 Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 Chuck Dean
 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:13 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
 
 Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
 Hi everyone.
 The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to
 navigate with voice over.
 You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out.
 This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
 
 
 
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Re: update from Seeing AI

[Øyvind Lode]

I wonder why Seeing AI is not available here in Norway.
I would like to try this app everybody talks about :)


On 18 May 2018 at 04:12, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Seeing AI, Today, • Seeing AI is now available in an additional 21
> countries, bringing the total to 56. The new countries are: Argentina,
> Bangladesh, Brazil, Bhutan, Egypt, Iraq, Jamaica, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico,
> Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Saudi Arabia, South
> Korea, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Turkey, and United Arab Emirates.
> • Plus, a number of tweaks under the hood., Version 2.1 • 229.1 MB
>
> HTH,
> Richard
>
>
>
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RE: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

what if you want to schedule a show to record?

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Hope 
Paulos
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 6:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

Sarai   When the show is playing, flick down until you hear info menu. Then 
flick right until you hear record… Click with the remote and focus will be 
placed on record episode.

Hope Paulos

> On May 18, 2018, at 7:14 AM, Amy Johnson  wrote:
> 
> I have not recorded yet I haven't tried it yet but but if u are on the
> episode you want to record just flick down and press more info and
> there is an option to record the episode.  Otherwise I'm not sure
> about recording yet.
> 
>> On 5/18/18, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
>> I found that but not how to record.
>> 
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Kliphton Miller
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:03 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>> 
>> It’s called my library.
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where is the DVR? I cannot find it.
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Chuck Dean
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:13 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>> 
>>> Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>> Hi everyone.
>>> The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to
>>> navigate with voice over.
>>> You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out.
>>> This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck
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Re: iPhone verses iPad

[Kimber Gardner]

Mary,

My experience with mail on the iPad has been similar to yours. In fact
it was the change you mentioned in which a two finger flick up reads a
bunch of stuff before the message that ended my reading of mail on the
iPad. I still don't know why that change was made.

I would also be very interested in hearing how mail can be efficiently
managed on the larger screen.

On 5/17/18, Mary Otten  wrote:
> I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the
> phone fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the original iPad, and
> I have an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my phone is totally
> dead. Mostly, this is because whenever I open the app, it never puts me in
> the message list. It always puts me in a message. I spend a lot of time in
> the list, only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good
> for somethings, but I would really be curious why you think the mail app is
> so wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other thing, and
> I don’t think it’s been fixed on the iPad. When you open a message to read
> it, on the phone, a two finger flick up gets you only the message text, that
> is, the thing you want to read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk
> before you get the text. Unless that has recently changed which is possible,
> because I haven’t used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.
>
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger
>> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped people who had
>> absolutely no experience with computers or iDevices learn to use both
>> their iPhone and iPad. And the larger screen makes some applications very
>> easy to learn. Including the native mail app. Because it is spread out and
>> there is less of a learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for
>> the first time.
>> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable
>> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger amount of real
>> estate.
>> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as
>> soon as it is eligible.
>> Merv
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Alan Lemly
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
>>
>> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have
>> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger screen to either view
>> more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say an iPhone is easier
>> to navigate with.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Kimber Gardner
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad
>>
>> I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I
>> find easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that is more a windows
>> vs mac situation.
>>
>> I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is
>> with me all the time and my iPad is not.
>>
>> I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific
>> tasks in mind I can try to address your questions.
>>
>>> On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a
>>> laptop computer?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
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Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Hope Paulos]

Sarai   When the show is playing, flick down until you hear info menu. Then 
flick right until you hear record… Click with the remote and focus will be 
placed on record episode.

Hope Paulos

> On May 18, 2018, at 7:14 AM, Amy Johnson  wrote:
> 
> I have not recorded yet I haven't tried it yet but but if u are on the
> episode you want to record just flick down and press more info and
> there is an option to record the episode.  Otherwise I'm not sure
> about recording yet.
> 
>> On 5/18/18, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
>> I found that but not how to record.
>> 
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Kliphton Miller
>> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:03 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>> 
>> It’s called my library.
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where is the DVR? I cannot find it.
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Chuck Dean
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:13 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>> 
>>> Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>> Hi everyone.
>>> The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to
>>> navigate with voice over.
>>> You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out.
>>> This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Hope Paulos]

I really appreciate all of the tips people are giving for navigation. They’re 
all working! I do have a question though… When I flick down when the show is 
playing to the information menu, then right to closed captioning and audio, how 
do I turn on audio description? I flick right to English, and select  it with 
the remote nothing works. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Hope Paulos

> On May 18, 2018, at 6:56 AM, Amy Johnson  wrote:
> 
> I flick down to all networks then left right and down to find all the
> networks.
> 
>> On 5/18/18, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> It’s called my library.
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where is the DVR? I cannot find it.
>>> 
>>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Chuck Dean
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:13 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>> 
>>> Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>> Hi everyone.
>>> The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to
>>> navigate with voice over.
>>> You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out.
>>> This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck
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Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Amy Johnson]

I have not recorded yet I haven't tried it yet but but if u are on the
episode you want to record just flick down and press more info and
there is an option to record the episode.  Otherwise I'm not sure
about recording yet.

On 5/18/18, Sarai Bucciarelli  wrote:
> I found that but not how to record.
>
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>
> It’s called my library.
>
>> On May 17, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Where is the DVR? I cannot find it.
>>
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Chuck Dean
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:13 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>
>> Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>> Hi everyone.
>> The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to
>> navigate with voice over.
>> You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out.
>> This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
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RE: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I found that but not how to record.

Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kliphton 
Miller
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 3:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

It’s called my library.

> On May 17, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Where is the DVR? I cannot find it.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chuck 
> Dean
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
> 
> Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over. 
> Hi everyone. 
> The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to 
> navigate with voice over. 
> You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out. 
> This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
> 
> 
> 
> Chuck
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Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Amy Johnson]

I flick down to all networks then left right and down to find all the
networks.

On 5/18/18, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> It’s called my library.
>
>> On May 17, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Where is the DVR? I cannot find it.
>>
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Chuck Dean
>> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:13 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>>
>> Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
>> Hi everyone.
>> The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to
>> navigate with voice over.
>> You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out.
>> This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
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Re: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.

[Kliphton Miller]

It’s called my library.

> On May 17, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Where is the DVR? I cannot find it.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chuck 
> Dean
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over.
> 
> Direct tv now update is not friendly with voice over. 
> Hi everyone. 
> The current direct tv now update makes the guide extremely difficult to 
> navigate with voice over. 
> You may want to hold off on updating until the bugs are worked out. 
> This update does include a cloud DVR with twenty hours of storage free.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: iPhone verses iPad

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Wonder if this is orientation related,  I always do mail, indeed most things on 
the iPad, in landscape mode.  From scratch, I think 
it will open in the default mailbox and in a message, but there's a button in 
the top/left which always points back up a level. 
When I'm at mailboxes, I open the Unread one, and then I have a list down the 
left side column with all unread message threads.  A 
thread will open to a new side list with one message open,  but sidebar of 
message list is still down the left side.  I tend to 
touch middle of the message area, then do a 2-finger flip up to read from the 
top, and then touch the left side again when I've 
heard enough and choose a new message.  I go back to top/left corner for the 
button to back up a level and can flick up on that 
thread and double-tap delete to lose the whole thread, and carry on down other 
unread stuff.  This is how I get through mail on the 
old iPad mini and have done since I first had one.

I hear the mail will work like the phone if you stand it up in portrait mode.

RobH.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 
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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone verses iPad


I find your statement that email on the iPad is easier than it is on the phone 
fascinating. I despise email on the iPad. I had the 
original iPad, and I have an iPad mini. And I never use it for mail unless my 
phone is totally dead. Mostly, this is because 
whenever I open the app, it never puts me in the message list. It always puts 
me in a message. I spend a lot of time in the list, 
only reading those things that I want to read. The iPad is good for somethings, 
but I would really be curious why you think the mail 
app is so wonderful on it. My experience has been so opposite. One other thing, 
and I don’t think it’s been fixed on the iPad. When 
you open a message to read it, on the phone, a two finger flick up gets you 
only the message text, that is, the thing you want to 
read. On the iPad, you get a lot of extra junk before you get the text. Unless 
that has recently changed which is possible, because 
I haven’t used mail on my iPad mini in a little while.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Merv Keck  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I teach both iPhone and iPad. Email is absolutely fantastic on the larger 
> screen. Even with no useable vision. I have helped 
> people who had absolutely no experience with computers or iDevices learn to 
> use both their iPhone and iPad. And the larger screen 
> makes some applications very easy to learn. Including the native mail app. 
> Because it is spread out and there is less of a 
> learning curve for older adults when learning IOS for the first time.
> Some games are also very nice on the larger screen even with no useable 
> vision. I have seen some amazing things done on the larger 
> amount of real estate.
> I can't wait to update my Mini 4 in a month or two to a larger iPad as soon 
> as it is eligible.
> Merv
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
> Lemly
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IPhone versess IPad
>
> I'd say the only time an iPad has advantages over an iPhone is if you have 
> enough usable vision to take advantage of the larger 
> screen to either view more or use greater magnification. Otherwise, I'd say 
> an iPhone is easier to navigate with.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kimber Gardner
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 9:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPhone versess IPad
>
> I think it really depends on what you are doing. There are still tasks I find 
> easier to accomplish on a laptop, but I think that 
> is more a windows vs mac situation.
>
> I use my iPad and my iPhone almost interchangeably except that my phone is 
> with me all the time and my iPad is not.
>
> I guess that isn't especially helpful. Lol! If you have some specific tasks 
> in mind I can try to address your questions.
>
>> On 5/17/18, Ralph Supernaw  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> In what situations does an IPad have advantages over an IPone or a
>> laptop computer?
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