Re: Where do you go to check if Raise to wake is on or off, please?

[Richard Turner]

Along with using extra battery, it is supposed to wake up your phone when you 
pick it up. But, if it is in a bag/purse, that motion can cause it to 
constantly wake up, thus using extra battery.
If one did not use a passcode or face ID, it would be the same as pressing the 
home button, or the slide gesture on phones without a home button.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
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On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:10 PM, "kheve...@earthlink.net"  
wrote:

What does raise to wake do?

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Subject: Where do you go to check if Raise to wake is on or off, please?

I want to make sure that is off. The guy at Wal-Mart did not think we got the 
facial ID, so I'll eventually be sure about that and get someone to help if it 
is not. I just want to rule out Raise to Wake, because it uses a lot of battery 
if phone in pocket and a lot of motion.

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RE: Where do you go to check if Raise to wake is on or off, please?

[khevener]

What does raise to wake do?

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Carolyn
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Where do you go to check if Raise to wake is on or off, please?

I want to make sure that is off. The guy at Wal-Mart did not think we got the 
facial ID, so I'll eventually be sure about that and get someone to help if it 
is not. I just want to rule out Raise to Wake, because it uses a lot of battery 
if phone in pocket and a lot of motion.

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Re: Seeing AI?

[Holly]

Carolyn:

One thing that really impressed me was the handwriting channel on Seeing AI.

I had some old hand written recipes from years ago, and it was amazing how 
well this feature worked for me. 


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RE: Seeing AI?

[Carolyn]

John Harden on the other Apple list sent a video on it, and it said his shirt 
was blue teal - probably a pretty color. He said, you just can't be sure.  

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Holly
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 7:46 PM
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Subject: Re: Seeing AI?

Carolyn:

Don't rely on the Seeing AIColor identifier too much.  I have never had much 
luck with it's accuracy. 

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Re: Seeing AI?

[Holly]

Carolyn:

Don't rely on the Seeing AIColor identifier too much.  I have never had much 
luck with it's accuracy. 


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RE: Where do you go to check if Raise to wake is on or off, please?

[Carolyn]

Thanks for that. Doesn't it use a lot of battery? 

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Shirley Baker
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 4:04 PM
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Subject: Re: Where do you go to check if Raise to wake is on or off, please?

Go to settings and swipe right until you hear display brightness, double tap 
and you swipe until you hear raise to wake and it will say whether it is on or 
off.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I want to make sure that is off. The guy at Wal-Mart did not think we 
> got the facial ID, so I'll eventually be sure about that and get 
> someone to help if it is not. I just want to rule out Raise to Wake, 
> because it uses a lot of battery if phone in pocket and a lot of 
> motion.
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RE: Seeing AI?

[Carolyn]

Thank you. I think it will be very useful. For one thing, I'll always have a 
color identifier when shopping. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Seeing AI?

When you first open the app, you will need to give it permission to access the 
camera and read through the agreement about its accuracy, etc.

Each time you open a new channel, there will be a description and a button to 
watch the video demonstrating that channel made by the developer, who is blind 
and works at Microsoft.

After you have read the descriptions and maybe even watched the videos, feel 
free to come back with more specific questions as each channel is slightly 
different in how \you use them.

To change channels, touch near the bottom where it says something like Channel, 
ShortText, and flick up with one finger to change to Documents, etc.

HTH,
 

Richard

 Live long and prosper


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 12:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI?

Tell me what I need to know to work it, please. 

Today, I just got an iPhone 11. I think I am going to really like it. I can see 
why they eliminated the Home Button - more screen room. The guy that set up my 
phone said I was right. He doesn't think one will ever be back, even if a SE 
comes out this spring. 

Here's my question. How to I use Seeing AI? I got him to download it for me. 

Incidentally, for $19.99, I got a wireless charger and am so glad I did. 


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Re: a podcast question'

[Duane Steele]

Thank you, Richard.  I'll download and try it.  I'm not really crazy about the 
Podcast APP on the iPhone.  A new adventure.  Thanks.

Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 5:34 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Try Overcast.
> It is free and works great with VoiceOver and has some extra features like 
> being able to speed up the podcast, or reduce the silences.
> I don't recall exactly where those settings are, but I'd recommend 
> downloading it and exploring its settings.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
>  Live long and prosper
> 
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
> Steele
> Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 2:28 PM
> To: IPhone List 
> Subject: a podcast question'
> 
> I have a couple of podcasts I listen to regularly using the podcast APP on my 
> iPhone.  I'm only into these chosen podcasts, and today I started listening 
> to one and about ten minutes in, it started over again and no matter what I 
> tried, I couldn't get it to move forward to the point where it had stopped 
> before restarting. I'm considering using a different APP.  Might this be 
> necessary, or is there a solution that should work to allow me to move around 
> in a podcast using the recommended one from iTunes.  Thanks in advance for 
> any suggestions.
> 
> Peace & Blessings,
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RE: a podcast question'

[Richard Turner]

Try Overcast.
It is free and works great with VoiceOver and has some extra features like 
being able to speed up the podcast, or reduce the silences.
I don't recall exactly where those settings are, but I'd recommend downloading 
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Richard

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Steele
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 2:28 PM
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Subject: a podcast question'

I have a couple of podcasts I listen to regularly using the podcast APP on my 
iPhone.  I'm only into these chosen podcasts, and today I started listening to 
one and about ten minutes in, it started over again and no matter what I tried, 
I couldn't get it to move forward to the point where it had stopped before 
restarting. I'm considering using a different APP.  Might this be necessary, or 
is there a solution that should work to allow me to move around in a podcast 
using the recommended one from iTunes.  Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Peace & Blessings,
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a podcast question'

[Duane Steele]

I have a couple of podcasts I listen to regularly using the podcast APP on my 
iPhone.  I'm only into these chosen podcasts, and today I started listening to 
one and about ten minutes in, it started over again and no matter what I tried, 
I couldn't get it to move forward to the point where it had stopped before 
restarting. I'm considering using a different APP.  Might this be necessary, or 
is there a solution that should work to allow me to move around in a podcast 
using the recommended one from iTunes.  Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Peace & Blessings,
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Re: Documents 7 review: Free iOS file manager puts Apple’s Files app to shame

[Ryan Mann]

I don’t know if this app does, but the Files app in IOS 13 allows you to do so. 
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> 
> 
> Does this app allow you to access a flashdrive?
>  
> From: Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:04 AM
> To: VIPhone via ; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Documents 7 review: Free iOS file manager puts Apple’s Files app to 
> shame
>  
> I wonder if this is accessible.
>  
> Documents 7 review: Free iOS file manager puts Apple’s Files app to shame
> Macworld  /  J.R. Bookwalter
> 
> Documents 7 is a free iOS app for reading PDF, EPUB, Word, and Excel 
> documents, opening ZIP archives, viewing images, downloading and much more.
> 
> 
> At a Glance
> Documents 7
> 
> Learn more
> on App Store
> It took Apple nearly a decade to bring proper file management to the iPhone 
> and iPad with the arrival of the Files app in iOS 11. Over the same period of 
> time, an enterprising third-party developer based in Odessa, Ukraine was busy 
> refining its own file manager app, which outshines Apple’s in almost every 
> conceivable way.
> 
> Documents 7 is the latest incarnation of the versatile iOS utility that 
> started as clever web app ReaddleDocs, named for the up-and-coming startup 
> who created it. The mobile equivalent of macOS Finder, this 
> jack-of-all-trades allows iPhone and iPad owners to browse, view, and manage 
> files with ease, all from an intuitive user interface that puts Apple’s own 
> Files to shame.
> 
> 
> Documents 7 brings the Plus button to iPhone, making it easier for users to 
> create and import files from almost anywhere.
> 
> Although there was little to dislike about the look and feel of prior 
> releases, Documents 7 adds a fresh coat of paint inspired by the company’s 
> recent PDF Expert 7, a robust tool for document editing and annotation. The 
> result is a refined UI that makes viewing and organizing files a more organic 
> experience, with support for iOS 13’s new Dark Mode and floating keyboard. 
> iPad users can also now open more than one Documents window at a time, great 
> for side-by-side comparison or to drag and drop content between them.
> 
> Making its way from iPad to iPhone is the Plus button, a convenient one-tap 
> popup in the lower right corner which speeds up creation of new folders, text 
> and PDF files, scanning new documents, or importing existing files from 
> iCloud Drive, Photos, cloud storage providers, or network-attached sources. 
> Naturally, there’s also integration with the built-in Files app for 
> seamlessly accessing content stored there, as well as opening files saved in 
> existing Locations within Documents 7.
> 
> PDF master
> 
> From the beginning, Documents 7 included a built-in web browser, which now 
> offers private browsing mode. On the iPhone, browser settings are 
> conveniently located from any open tab—no more hopping back to in-app 
> settings just to clear data or change the location of file downloads. There’s 
> even a new option to choose DuckDuckGo, Yandex, Ecosia, or Yahoo as the 
> default search engine instead of Google. (Yay, privacy!)
> 
> 
> Whether it’s cloud storage, network-attached devices, or remote servers, 
> Documents 7 makes file management a snap.
> 
> While Documents has always been a very capable PDF reader, version 7.0 
> introduces an option to turn the app into a full-fledged editor as well. 
> After upgrading to an annual subscription ($50 per year), Documents 7 unlocks 
> a full complement of professional tools, allowing users to edit, convert, and 
> reduce the size of PDF files.
> 
> If you already own PDF Expert 6, those editing features are available free of 
> charge in Documents 7. Unfortunately, three advanced tools recently added to 
> PDF Expert 7 do not get shared, so the only way to customize the Favorites 
> toolbar or convert and compress PDF files is to pay for another annual 
> subscription. That stinks, but Readdle offers a discounted upgrade to PDF 
> Expert owners ($10 for the first year). For the moment, this is the only 
> in-app purchase offered—everything else is absolutely free.
> 
> 
> Documents 7 can effortlessly transfer files between iOS devices and personal 
> computers using any web browser.
> 
> Bottom line
> 
> For those underwhelmed by the built-in Files app, do yourself a favor and 
> install Documents 7, the free file manager worthy of being installed on every 
> iOS device.
> 
> At a Glance
> Documents 7
> 
> Learn more
> on App Store
> Documents 7 is a free iOS app for reading PDF, EPUB, Word, and Excel 
> documents, opening ZIP archives, viewing images, downloading and listening to 
> music, watching videos, and much more.
> 
> Pros
> 
> More complete file manager than Files app
> One-tap Plus button now available on iPhone
> Files app integration
> Cons
> 
> Can’t share advanced PDF Expert 7 subscription-only features
> Connections don’t sync between devices
> No support for reading 

Re: Where do you go to check if Raise to wake is on or off, please?

[Shirley Baker]

Go to settings and swipe right until you hear display brightness, double tap 
and you swipe until you hear raise to wake and it will say whether it is on or 
off.

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> I want to make sure that is off. The guy at Wal-Mart did not
> think we got the facial ID, so I'll eventually be sure about
> that and get someone to help if it is not. I just want to
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> phone in pocket and a lot of motion.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: netatmo problems

['Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone]

thanks very much, Sigg hard. I never would’ve figured this out without your 
guidance.
I did search their help topics for voiceover and accessibility, but 
unfortunately found no hits. It would be nice if this kind of information were 
included there in.
Best, Keith

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> Hi Keith,
> 
> That is unfortunately how the app works, it could be better but it's workable 
> as it is.
> The trick is that once you flick up for example to change from page 1 to 2 
> and say from your main indoor module to the second indoor module, just start 
> flicking right without touching anything else.
> Then the information of that module is read and the same applies if you have 
> extra outdoor modules like a rain or wind gauge.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 11:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: netatmo problems
> 
> hi, I have purchased a new Netatmo WeatherStation. I believe I have set it up 
> correctly. But when I go into the app, I cannot access reliably anything 
> other than the main weather station indoor module. There are options to 
> switch pages among one of four and 1 of 5, and when I do that, it quickly 
> reverts to the original page.
> Is this app still usable with voiceover?
> 
> Also, I have the Netatmo Comfort app for my phone. on that, I can access only 
> my two additional indoor modules, but neither the WeatherStation indoor 
> module nor the outdoor module. Does this app still work, too?
> Any help appreciated. Best, Keith
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Where do you go to check if Raise to wake is on or off, please?

[Carolyn]

I want to make sure that is off. The guy at Wal-Mart did not
think we got the facial ID, so I'll eventually be sure about
that and get someone to help if it is not. I just want to
rule out Raise to Wake, because it uses a lot of battery if
phone in pocket and a lot of motion.

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RE: Seeing AI?

[Richard Turner]

When you first open the app, you will need to give it permission to access the 
camera and read through the agreement about its accuracy, etc.

Each time you open a new channel, there will be a description and a button to 
watch the video demonstrating that channel made by the developer, who is blind 
and works at Microsoft.

After you have read the descriptions and maybe even watched the videos, feel 
free to come back with more specific questions as each channel is slightly 
different in how \you use them.

To change channels, touch near the bottom where it says something like Channel, 
ShortText, and flick up with one finger to change to Documents, etc.

HTH,
 

Richard

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-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 12:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Seeing AI?

Tell me what I need to know to work it, please. 

Today, I just got an iPhone 11. I think I am going to really like it. I can see 
why they eliminated the Home Button - more screen room. The guy that set up my 
phone said I was right. He doesn't think one will ever be back, even if a SE 
comes out this spring. 

Here's my question. How to I use Seeing AI? I got him to download it for me. 

Incidentally, for $19.99, I got a wireless charger and am so glad I did. 


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RE: Question about battery life.

[Carolyn]

Thanks, and I got an 11, as they did not have an XR, but I got it for $650, so 
not a bad deal to pay out. 

I like it. I like the face recognition. My husband figured it would take me 
forever to get used to it, but I don't think so. I already have added a new 
contact to my Contacts for one thing. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 1:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about battery life.

The iPhone 11 has better battery life and generally speaking a newer model 
usually would have improved battery life over the same model from the year 
before.
Of course once a phone gets to be 2 or 3 years old the battery capacity is not 
what it was when the phone was new.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 11:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about battery life.

I use my phone a lot, end up having to charge a couple times a day. Here is my 
question:

Which has better battery life an XR or an 11?

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Seeing AI?

[Carolyn]

Tell me what I need to know to work it, please. 

Today, I just got an iPhone 11. I think I am going to really
like it. I can see why they eliminated the Home Button -
more screen room. The guy that set up my phone said I was
right. He doesn't think one will ever be back, even if a SE
comes out this spring. 

Here's my question. How to I use Seeing AI? I got him to
download it for me. 

Incidentally, for $19.99, I got a wireless charger and am so
glad I did. 


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RE: netatmo problems

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Keith,

That is unfortunately how the app works, it could be better but it's workable 
as it is.
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extra outdoor modules like a rain or wind gauge.

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From: 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone  
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 11:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: netatmo problems

hi, I have purchased a new Netatmo WeatherStation. I believe I have set it up 
correctly. But when I go into the app, I cannot access reliably anything other 
than the main weather station indoor module. There are options to switch pages 
among one of four and 1 of 5, and when I do that, it quickly reverts to the 
original page.
Is this app still usable with voiceover?

Also, I have the Netatmo Comfort app for my phone. on that, I can access only 
my two additional indoor modules, but neither the WeatherStation indoor module 
nor the outdoor module. Does this app still work, too?
Any help appreciated. Best, Keith

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['Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone]

hi, I have purchased a new Netatmo WeatherStation. I believe I have set it up 
correctly. But when I go into the app, I cannot access reliably anything other 
than the main weather station indoor module. There are options to switch pages 
among one of four and 1 of 5, and when I do that, it quickly reverts to the 
original page.
Is this app still usable with voiceover?

Also, I have the Netatmo Comfort app for my phone. on that, I can access only 
my two additional indoor modules, but neither the WeatherStation indoor module 
nor the outdoor module. Does this app still work, too?
Any help appreciated. Best, Keith

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Re: smart thermostats and their apps with voiceover?

[Robin Frost]

Hi Sieghard,
Once again we’re on the same wave length so it seems.  My electrician just left 
and he was kind enough to explore possibilities and it would seem that a Lyric 
t6 might be headed my way soon.
Thanks everyone for educating me as always.  I appreciate being able to benefit 
from the wisdom and experiences of others who must navigate accessibility 
issues regularly.
It is a rare person like my electrician who will enable VoiceOver on his device 
to test the accessibility of an app just because he can and was genuinely 
interested. I salute him for his care and proclaim it to the world.
Take good care.
Robin


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: smart thermostats and their apps with voiceover?

And there are also the much less expensive Honeywell Lyric thermostats which 
use an app which used to be called Lyric but got renamed to Honeywell Home, 
it’s very accessible and these thermostats support all 3 major voice platforms, 
Home Kit/SIRI, Alexa and Google Assistant.

They do also have more expensive thermostats which for us all have bells and 
whistles we never use. We have the Lyric T5 which I think is now replaced with 
a newer model, but I think I paid around $180 Canadian for it so it would have 
probably been $129 or $149 US. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: smart thermostats and their apps with voiceover?

 

Honeywell has thermostats that work over WiFi using their Total Comfort Control 
app. I suspect several will work with the variety of home systems. 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 





  On Jan 2, 2020, at 3:14 PM, Terri Hedgpeth  wrote:

   

  Hello Robin, 

  I have the Nest thermostats in my home and love them. The app is pretty 
accessible and they provide tech support. I had the Echo Bee thermostats for 
about five months and at that time (2017) the mobile app was not accessible. I 
tried to work with them over several phone calls with long wait times 25-45 
minutes, and they had no knowledge of accessibility for people who are blind. 
Though it was well passed my money back return period, after a long phone 
discussion on the topic of returning the Echo Bee due to lack of accessibility, 
they did refund my money upon the return of the two thermostats.

   

  Before I tried the Nest thrmostats, I called their tech support and was 
pleasantly surprised that the tech person whipped out his iPhone and turned on 
VoiceOver and walked me through the app. That was so cool and such a contrast 
to my experience with Echo Bee. So I bought the two Nest thermostats for our 
two AC units and have been very happy. Oh, I have not needed to call Nest tech 
support after that first demo. I had an HVAC professional do the installation 
of both the Echo Bee and the Nest. So, I did lose the cost of the first install 
for the Echo Bees. 

   

  I have heard since that the Echo Bee thermostat app is accessible now. Don’t 
know though. 

   

  Best,

  Terri Hedgpeth

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
  Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 2:03 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: smart thermostats and their apps with voiceover?

   

  Hi,

  Sorry for the vague subject line there. But I was just curious what if any 
smart thermostats people are making use of either in conjunction with Amazon 
Echo's and smart home apps that might be accessible with voiceOver. All 
thoughts appreciated as I begin considering purchasing such a device.

  Take good care.

  Robin

   

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RE: question about Drones and accessibillidey and voice over.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, a blind person can not use a Drone. There maybe some things you could do 
since many Drones have something like a Follow Me feature which when engaged 
makes the Drone follow you around, it is sort of wirelessly tethered to your 
iPhone, but the fact is that you have to see your Drone to fly it otherwise how 
would you not fly it into a tree or crash it into the ground etc.
Of course there is that small issue of regulations which in Canada are quite 
strict and they require a drone operator to always “have line of sight” to 
their drone and it would be tough to argue that as a blind person you have 
“line of sight”

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mich 
Verrier
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 10:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: question about Drones and accessibillidey and voice over.

Hi all. I am watching a movie where these kids are using a drone. I am 
wondering if drones are able to be used by blind people? And if there are any 
accessible apps that are accessible using voice over? From Mich.
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RE: smart thermostats and their apps with voiceover?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I guess if you have a bunch of other Nest product then using the Nest 
thermostat is certainly a good option since you wouldn’t have to download 
another app just for the thermostat.
At my retail store I still use 2 of the Radio Thermostats, I bought those for 
$139 about 6 or 7 years ago and even though I can’t use Alexa or Google 
Assistant to control them, I won’t upgrade them to a Nest or Honeywell just 
because they work just fine, the app is easily accessible if I want to turn the 
temperature up or down a bit and otherwise they are on a schedule anyways since 
my store is open 9 AM to 6 PM from Monday to Saturday so in this case it is 
easy to set the schedule so it goes to 15 Celsius at 5:45 PM and then at 8:30 
AM it goes to 20 Celsius and while it takes a good 45 minutes to an hour before 
the store is heated up in the morning depending on how cold it is outside, that 
is fine.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: smart thermostats and their apps with voiceover?

Honeywell has thermostats that work over WiFi using their Total Comfort Control 
app. I suspect several will work with the variety of home systems.


Richard
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On Jan 2, 2020, at 3:14 PM, Terri Hedgpeth  wrote:

Hello Robin,
I have the Nest thermostats in my home and love them. The app is pretty 
accessible and they provide tech support. I had the Echo Bee thermostats for 
about five months and at that time (2017) the mobile app was not accessible. I 
tried to work with them over several phone calls with long wait times 25-45 
minutes, and they had no knowledge of accessibility for people who are blind. 
Though it was well passed my money back return period, after a long phone 
discussion on the topic of returning the Echo Bee due to lack of accessibility, 
they did refund my money upon the return of the two thermostats.

Before I tried the Nest thrmostats, I called their tech support and was 
pleasantly surprised that the tech person whipped out his iPhone and turned on 
VoiceOver and walked me through the app. That was so cool and such a contrast 
to my experience with Echo Bee. So I bought the two Nest thermostats for our 
two AC units and have been very happy. Oh, I have not needed to call Nest tech 
support after that first demo. I had an HVAC professional do the installation 
of both the Echo Bee and the Nest. So, I did lose the cost of the first install 
for the Echo Bees.

I have heard since that the Echo Bee thermostat app is accessible now. Don’t 
know though.

Best,
Terri Hedgpeth
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: smart thermostats and their apps with voiceover?

Hi,
Sorry for the vague subject line there. But I was just curious what if any 
smart thermostats people are making use of either in conjunction with Amazon 
Echo's and smart home apps that might be accessible with voiceOver. All 
thoughts appreciated as I begin considering purchasing such a device.
Take good care.
Robin

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RE: smart thermostats and their apps with voiceover?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And there are also the much less expensive Honeywell Lyric thermostats which 
use an app which used to be called Lyric but got renamed to Honeywell Home, 
it’s very accessible and these thermostats support all 3 major voice platforms, 
Home Kit/SIRI, Alexa and Google Assistant.
They do also have more expensive thermostats which for us all have bells and 
whistles we never use. We have the Lyric T5 which I think is now replaced with 
a newer model, but I think I paid around $180 Canadian for it so it would have 
probably been $129 or $149 US.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 3:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: smart thermostats and their apps with voiceover?

Honeywell has thermostats that work over WiFi using their Total Comfort Control 
app. I suspect several will work with the variety of home systems.


Richard
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On Jan 2, 2020, at 3:14 PM, Terri Hedgpeth  wrote:

Hello Robin,
I have the Nest thermostats in my home and love them. The app is pretty 
accessible and they provide tech support. I had the Echo Bee thermostats for 
about five months and at that time (2017) the mobile app was not accessible. I 
tried to work with them over several phone calls with long wait times 25-45 
minutes, and they had no knowledge of accessibility for people who are blind. 
Though it was well passed my money back return period, after a long phone 
discussion on the topic of returning the Echo Bee due to lack of accessibility, 
they did refund my money upon the return of the two thermostats.

Before I tried the Nest thrmostats, I called their tech support and was 
pleasantly surprised that the tech person whipped out his iPhone and turned on 
VoiceOver and walked me through the app. That was so cool and such a contrast 
to my experience with Echo Bee. So I bought the two Nest thermostats for our 
two AC units and have been very happy. Oh, I have not needed to call Nest tech 
support after that first demo. I had an HVAC professional do the installation 
of both the Echo Bee and the Nest. So, I did lose the cost of the first install 
for the Echo Bees.

I have heard since that the Echo Bee thermostat app is accessible now. Don’t 
know though.

Best,
Terri Hedgpeth
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: smart thermostats and their apps with voiceover?

Hi,
Sorry for the vague subject line there. But I was just curious what if any 
smart thermostats people are making use of either in conjunction with Amazon 
Echo's and smart home apps that might be accessible with voiceOver. All 
thoughts appreciated as I begin considering purchasing such a device.
Take good care.
Robin

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question about Drones and accessibillidey and voice over.

[Mich Verrier]

Hi all. I am watching a movie where these kids are using a drone. I am
wondering if drones are able to be used by blind people? And if there are
any accessible apps that are accessible using voice over? From Mich.

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RE: Problem with Apple ID

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you have a PC I would do it on that, go to http://AppleID.apple.com, then 
look for the "Forgot Apple Id or Password"  link and go from there.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 2:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Problem with Apple ID

How do you go about changing your Apple ID Joshua, password?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Be strong enough to stand alone, smart enough to know when you need help, and 
brave enough to ask for it.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2020 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Problem with Apple ID


I recently had to change my apple ID password, but it was actually a
good thing as I had less trouble entering it in then my old password.
My purchasing apps actually works better now as when for example I
purchase voices for voice dream reader I only have to enter in my
password for the first purchase then for the next 15 minutes I don't
have to enter it again.  For some reason getting my phone to only use
my touch ID to make app purchases doesn't seem to work and apple can't
figure out why this is.  Overal, I enjoy purchasing apps and don't
really have any trouble.

On 1/2/20, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Same here, if I have to use my Apple Id password it always works and I 
> don't
> think I have changed my Apple Id password for the last 5 years or so at
> least.
> I also use 2-Factor authentication. Keeping all these old passwords is
> probably just confusing, if you are having problems I suggest to maybe ask
> for sighted help to reset it, then make sure you get rid of all the old
> passwords and make sure you keep the current password in a safe place. Of
> course my recommendation is always for a good password manager, but a
> braille list kept in a safe place is pretty good as well.
> And as always make sure it's not a password you use for other important
> sites, make sure it's got upper case and lower case letters, numbers and 
> at
> least one symbol like a hyphen, colon, exclamation mark etc and don't use
> just a simple word, name of your dog and so on. You hear about all these
> people who are hacked or have their identity stolen and while I don't deny
> this can happen to even a careful person, a lot of this happens when 
> people
> don't observe important security rules like strong and unique passwords, 
> use
> 2-Factor authentication wherever possible and simply ignore any emails you
> don't recognize, phone calls where somebody claims they are from Apple,
> Microsoft, your bank, the government and so on and ask you to provide any
> sort of information. I sometimes get calls which seem legit and then I 
> hear
> "What is your name" and I either hang up or ask why this is relevant at 
> this
> point and more often than not they will then hang up because they realize
> I'm not an easy target.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 6:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Problem with Apple ID
>
> I've never had this issue, so, as I suggested to Kaye, call Apple
> Accessibility 877-204-3930
>
>
> Richard
>
> ?? Live long and prosper
>
>
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 'jan howells' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 6:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: re: Problem with Apple ID
>
> Hi Kay,
>
> This happens to me each and every time I try to do something with Apple. 
> I
> have to keep clicking on "Forgot my password" and create another one, or 
> the
> same one again.  I have so many Apple passwords, even written down, that I
> can never keep track of which one that they are in the mood to accept.  I 
> do
> not understand why we have to keep changing our password each time with
> Apple? Why can we not have one.  I thought that I was the only one with 
> this
> problem.  I am also looking forward to and watching for any suggestions 
> that
> you receive.  They will also be helpful to me.  Thank you for sending this
> message.  We will both benefit from any very much appreciated suggestions.
>
> Jan Have
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RE: Question about battery life.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The iPhone 11 has better battery life and generally speaking a newer model 
usually would have improved battery life over the same model from the year 
before.
Of course once a phone gets to be 2 or 3 years old the battery capacity is not 
what it was when the phone was new.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 11:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about battery life.

I use my phone a lot, end up having to charge a couple times a day. Here is my 
question:

Which has better battery life an XR or an 11?

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Re: Apple Accessibility

[Holly]

Josh:

I never got a response either, but I know it was sent.

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I did send a message, but I haven't gotten any reply back yet.  I hope
someone got it.

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Marie:

I also sent an email to them about voice over   talking over Siri.  You got 
their standard reply.

Hope more people will email about the problem.  The squeaky wheel gets the 
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Re: braille screen input - braille dot combos

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Dan,

You can find the commands in the user guide for your device. You can find the 
user guide in the Apple Books store.

Best,
Anna

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braille screen input - braille dot combos

[Dan]

  
  
How do we find out all the supported braille dot
combinations?

I have searched on google but can't seem to find this info.
  

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Re: braille screen input braille translations

[Richard Turner]

Dan, you can set it to use either uncontracted or contracted braille and it 
will recognize all braille symbols.
There is a guide on AppleVis that even though it was written under iOS 8, is 
still relevant. Here is the link to that 
guide:https://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-braille-screen-input-ios





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On Jan 3, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Dan  wrote:



How do we find out all the supported braille dot combinations?


I have searched on google but can't seem to find this info.



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[Dan]

  
  
How do we find out all the supported braille dot
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I have searched on google but can't seem to find this info.

  


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Re: Documents 7 review: Free iOS file manager puts Apple’s Files app to shame

[Russ Kiehne]

Does this app allow you to access a flashdrive?

From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:04 AM
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Subject: Documents 7 review: Free iOS file manager puts Apple’s Files app to 
shame

I wonder if this is accessible.

Documents 7 review: Free iOS file manager puts Apple’s Files app to shame

Macworld  /  J.R. Bookwalter


Documents 7 is a free iOS app for reading PDF, EPUB, Word, and Excel documents, 
opening ZIP archives, viewing images, downloading and much more.
 
At a Glance
  a.. Documents 7 
  Learn more 
  on App Store 
It took Apple nearly a decade to bring proper file management to the iPhone and 
iPad with the arrival of the Files app in iOS 11. Over the same period of time, 
an enterprising third-party developer based in Odessa, Ukraine was busy 
refining its own file manager app, which outshines Apple’s in almost every 
conceivable way.

Documents 7 is the latest incarnation of the versatile iOS utility that started 
as clever web app ReaddleDocs, named for the up-and-coming startup who created 
it. The mobile equivalent of macOS Finder, this jack-of-all-trades allows 
iPhone and iPad owners to browse, view, and manage files with ease, all from an 
intuitive user interface that puts Apple’s own Files to shame.

 
Documents 7 brings the Plus button to iPhone, making it easier for users to 
create and import files from almost anywhere.

Although there was little to dislike about the look and feel of prior releases, 
Documents 7 adds a fresh coat of paint inspired by the company’s recent PDF 
Expert 7, a robust tool for document editing and annotation. The result is a 
refined UI that makes viewing and organizing files a more organic experience, 
with support for iOS 13’s new Dark Mode and floating keyboard. iPad users can 
also now open more than one Documents window at a time, great for side-by-side 
comparison or to drag and drop content between them.

Making its way from iPad to iPhone is the Plus button, a convenient one-tap 
popup in the lower right corner which speeds up creation of new folders, text 
and PDF files, scanning new documents, or importing existing files from iCloud 
Drive, Photos, cloud storage providers, or network-attached sources. Naturally, 
there’s also integration with the built-in Files app for seamlessly accessing 
content stored there, as well as opening files saved in existing Locations 
within Documents 7.

PDF master
>From the beginning, Documents 7 included a built-in web browser, which now 
>offers private browsing mode. On the iPhone, browser settings are conveniently 
>located from any open tab—no more hopping back to in-app settings just to 
>clear data or change the location of file downloads. There’s even a new option 
>to choose DuckDuckGo, Yandex, Ecosia, or Yahoo as the default search engine 
>instead of Google. (Yay, privacy!)

 
Whether it’s cloud storage, network-attached devices, or remote servers, 
Documents 7 makes file management a snap.

While Documents has always been a very capable PDF reader, version 7.0 
introduces an option to turn the app into a full-fledged editor as well. After 
upgrading to an annual subscription ($50 per year), Documents 7 unlocks a full 
complement of professional tools, allowing users to edit, convert, and reduce 
the size of PDF files.

If you already own PDF Expert 6, those editing features are available free of 
charge in Documents 7. Unfortunately, three advanced tools recently added to 
PDF Expert 7 do not get shared, so the only way to customize the Favorites 
toolbar or convert and compress PDF files is to pay for another annual 
subscription. That stinks, but Readdle offers a discounted upgrade to PDF 
Expert owners ($10 for the first year). For the moment, this is the only in-app 
purchase offered—everything else is absolutely free.

 
Documents 7 can effortlessly transfer files between iOS devices and personal 
computers using any web browser.

Bottom line
For those underwhelmed by the built-in Files app, do yourself a favor and 
install Documents 7, the free file manager worthy of being installed on every 
iOS device.

At a Glance
  a.. Documents 7 
  Learn more 
  on App Store 
  Documents 7 is a free iOS app for reading PDF, EPUB, Word, and Excel 
documents, opening ZIP archives, viewing images, downloading and listening to 
music, watching videos, and much more.

  Pros
a.. More complete file manager than Files app 
b.. One-tap Plus button now available on iPhone 
c.. Files app integration 
  Cons
a.. Can’t share advanced PDF Expert 7 subscription-only features 
b.. Connections don’t sync between devices 
c.. No support for reading CBR/CBZ format comic book files 


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Re: Apple Accessibility

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The address is:
accessibil...@apple.com

Marie


-Original Message- 
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Subject: Re: Apple Accessibility

What is the email address for apple accessibility?  I will also send
off an email.  If this issue were resolved, then I'd mostly likely
upgrade my phone to 13.3.  The issue with voiceover not coming through
my Bose speaker is annoying, but not as bad as having Siri and Voice
Over conflict with each other.

On 1/3/20, Marie  wrote:
Just wanted to report that I sent an email to Apple Accessibility 
concerning

the problem with Voiceover and Siri. I got a quick and nice reply saying
that Apple is aware of and working on the problem. No time for a solution
specified
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Re: Apple Accessibility

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What is the email address for apple accessibility?  I will also send
off an email.  If this issue were resolved, then I'd mostly likely
upgrade my phone to 13.3.  The issue with voiceover not coming through
my Bose speaker is annoying, but not as bad as having Siri and Voice
Over conflict with each other.

On 1/3/20, Marie  wrote:
> Just wanted to report that I sent an email to Apple Accessibility concerning
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> that Apple is aware of and working on the problem. No time for a solution
> specified
> Marie
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Apple Accessibility

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Just wanted to report that I sent an email to Apple Accessibility concerning 
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Re: Expedia App and VoiceOver

[Kelly Ford]

Thank you.

I have reported this to Expedia but so far has not heard back.

Kelly


> On Jan 2, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
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> Yes I have noticed the same thing. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Has anyone else encountered problems using the Expedia app with VoiceOver 
>> lately?  When I am browsing a list of hotels after a search, I frequently 
>> use swipe right gestures.  This used to work fine.
>> 
>> Now, however, I can only use this method to view the first three hotels.  I 
>> must then issue a scroll gesture to get the next three hotels.  And at that 
>> point I have to touch the hotel names directly to keep reading the names.
>> 
>> I am running iOS 13.3 on an iPhone 10R.
>> 
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