Re: IPhone SE2020 8 minutes to restart?

[Richard Turner]

That sounds normal. The processor is very fast.
Enjoy,


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> I’m so impressed that I feel I need to ask if you guys who have iPhones SE 
> 2nd Generations, when I updated to iOS14 earlier today,when you double-tap on 
> Install Now, and voiceOver doesn’t talk during the update process, usually 
> with previous iPhones, it’d take about 15-25 minutes for the phone to 
> restart, thus I had already organized what podcast to listen to on my victor 
> Reader to pass the time, while the SE restarted.
> I had just started listening to the podcast when the phone restarted! And in 
> 8 minutes! I thought that since the update was 2.5GB, it’d take minimum 25 
> minutes to update. I’m impressed! And my Internet is 20MB if it helps any.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Re: Help needed using voicedream reader with a braille display to read silently

[Kimberly]

Richard,

I had not tried that. But I definitely will. I figured there was something 
simple that I was just missing. Thank you so much for that tip.

Kim

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> On Sep 16, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  Have you tried space+m to mute VoiceOver?
> It's a toggle  so when you want speech back press space+m again.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Kimberly  wrote:
>>> 
>>  Hi all,
>> 
>> I am attempting to read a braille book from bookshare using voicedream 
>> reader on my iPhone. I found some pretty good instructions on the voicedream 
>> site, but my issue seems to be that I can't read silently. That is, every 
>> time I use my panning buttons to move the braille, voiceover starts 
>> yammering away and doesn't stop until it reaches the end of the current 
>> paragraph. This behavior makes it difficult, if not impossible to 
>> concentrate on what I am reading on the display. 
>> 
>> Is there some simple way of reading silently short of turning off voiceover? 
>> Am I making this more complicated than it needs to be?
>> 
>> I've never used voicedream reader with a braille display so I am a complete 
>> novice. That is to say, please be patient with my beginner questions. And 
>> thanks in advance for any help.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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Re: My phone says screen dimmed, then locks while on a phone call in iOS 14

[Donna Casteen]

Kevin,

This has been happening for me, at least since IOS 13.7, but may be longer. It 
isn't a big deal for me, being that when I press the power button the phone 
unlocks & I have access to the dialpad.

Donna 
> 
> 
> Hi.
>  
> I’m not sure how well I like this. I start a phone call with the phone to my 
> ear. I then move it away, and it switches to speaker. After about 5 seconds, 
> Voiceover says “screen dimmed”, then after a couple seconds it locks. Nice 
> thing is it stays on speaker, even if you move it to your ear. If I hit the 
> side button, it unlocks, and I can get back to the earpiece with no problem.
>  
> Just for your information.
>  
> Kevin and Jilly
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Does Moneygram App Work in Canada?

[Fazil]

Hi, Group.

Does Moneygram app work in Canada?

If yes, could somebody tell me how to create a profile in Moneygram, please?

Thanks!

 

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My phone says screen dimmed, then locks while on a phone call in iOS 14

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

I'm not sure how well I like this. I start a phone call with the phone to my 
ear. I then move it away, and it switches to speaker. After about 5 seconds, 
Voiceover says "screen dimmed", then after a couple seconds it locks. Nice 
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Just for your information.

Kevin and Jilly

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IPhone SE2020 8 minutes to restart?

[Gerardo Corripio]

I’m so impressed that I feel I need to ask if you guys who have iPhones SE 2nd 
Generations, when I updated to iOS14 earlier today,when you double-tap on 
Install Now, and voiceOver doesn’t talk during the update process, usually with 
previous iPhones, it’d take about 15-25 minutes for the phone to restart, thus 
I had already organized what podcast to listen to on my victor Reader to pass 
the time, while the SE restarted.
I had just started listening to the podcast when the phone restarted! And in 8 
minutes! I thought that since the update was 2.5GB, it’d take minimum 25 
minutes to update. I’m impressed! And my Internet is 20MB if it helps any.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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Re: help please trouble with iOS update

[Gordon]

So what exactly happened? Did the phone shut down after installing the 
update and just never came back up? Do you have someone sighted to look 
at the screen to see if it's saying anything?


On 9/16/2020 7:55 PM, 'A Robledo' via VIPhone wrote:

Hello list,

Please help. I tried to do the update and the phone has been updating for about 
five hours. Don’t know what to do.



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Re: Is auto advance on by default for braille in iOS 14?

[Richard Turner]

No. You have to define braille hotkeys for braille auto scroll, and to slow it 
down and speed it up. Open VoiceOver settings, braille, and on the name of your 
display, flick up to more, and select commands.
HTH,




Richard
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On Sep 16, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Kevin Minor  wrote:


Hi.

I heard a rumor this was coming, and, sure enough, it’s right there in braille 
settings. My question is, is it on by default, and if not, how do you toggle it?

Thanks.

Kevin and Jilly

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Re: Help needed using voicedream reader with a braille display to read silently

[Richard Turner]

Have you tried space+m to mute VoiceOver?
It's a toggle  so when you want speech back press space+m again.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 16, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Kimberly  wrote:

 Hi all,

I am attempting to read a braille book from bookshare using voicedream reader 
on my iPhone. I found some pretty good instructions on the voicedream site, but 
my issue seems to be that I can't read silently. That is, every time I use my 
panning buttons to move the braille, voiceover starts yammering away and 
doesn't stop until it reaches the end of the current paragraph. This behavior 
makes it difficult, if not impossible to concentrate on what I am reading on 
the display.

Is there some simple way of reading silently short of turning off voiceover? Am 
I making this more complicated than it needs to be?

I've never used voicedream reader with a braille display so I am a complete 
novice. That is to say, please be patient with my beginner questions. And 
thanks in advance for any help.



Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone

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Is auto advance on by default for braille in iOS 14?

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

I heard a rumor this was coming, and, sure enough, it's right there in braille 
settings. My question is, is it on by default, and if not, how do you toggle it?

Thanks.

Kevin and Jilly

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Help needed using voicedream reader with a braille display to read silently

[Kimberly]

Hi all,

I am attempting to read a braille book from bookshare using voicedream reader 
on my iPhone. I found some pretty good instructions on the voicedream site, but 
my issue seems to be that I can't read silently. That is, every time I use my 
panning buttons to move the braille, voiceover starts yammering away and 
doesn't stop until it reaches the end of the current paragraph. This behavior 
makes it difficult, if not impossible to concentrate on what I am reading on 
the display. 

Is there some simple way of reading silently short of turning off voiceover? Am 
I making this more complicated than it needs to be?

I've never used voicedream reader with a braille display so I am a complete 
novice. That is to say, please be patient with my beginner questions. And 
thanks in advance for any help.

 

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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Re: help please trouble with iOS update

['A Robledo' via VIPhone]

thank you

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 8:45 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Worse case you may have to try updating through iTunes on a computer.
> Hopefully you have a recent backup just in case you end up having to start 
> from scratch.
> But, as I always suggest, call Apple Accessibility.
> If you are not in  United States, therare other phone numers, the US 
> iis877-204-3930
>  e 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
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>> Hello list,
>> 
>> Please help. I tried to do the update and the phone has been updating for 
>> about five hours. Don’t know what to do.
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Update about Default Browser

[Richard Turner]

There was a FireFox update today, so now FireFox also has the default Browser 
setting available.




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Re: help please trouble with iOS update

[Richard Turner]

Worse case you may have to try updating through iTunes on a computer.
Hopefully you have a recent backup just in case you end up having to start from 
scratch.
But, as I always suggest, call Apple Accessibility.
If you are not in  United States, therare other phone numers, the US 
iis877-204-3930
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On Sep 16, 2020, at 5:55 PM, 'A Robledo' via VIPhone  
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Hello list,

Please help. I tried to do the update and the phone has been updating for about 
five hours. Don’t know what to do.

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RE: Big-time battery drain on my iPhone 7 Plus

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I've had a battery drain issue a couple of times for the minor updates. 
Completely turning off and back on the phone resolved whatever  buggy stuff was 
going on under the hood.
I guess you could try restoring from a backup or starting fresh if that doesn't 
work, but that seems rather extreme.


Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 4:52 PM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Big-time battery drain on my iPhone 7 Plus

I have been running the beta on my iPhone 7 Plus, and throughout the entire 
cycle, I never noticed anything strange about battery drain. Yesterday, I 
downloaded what I presume was the golden master. When I went to bed last night, 
my phone had the airplane mode on and Wi-Fi off. Screen was locked. I don’t 
remember exactly what my battery was, but I know it was way over 50. I got up 
this morning to a dead battery. 0%. I charged it up to 100, and now, it’s down 
in the 40s again. I’ve been using it, but not that much. And I always leave the 
screen locked when the phone is not in use. This battery drain is astonishing. 
I just put iOS 14 on my other phone, a Xr, so I guess I’ll see what happens. 
Strange that all the way through the cycle I didn’t have any issues, but now 
it’s not good at all.


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RE: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3

[dfibraio]

Sadly, that was my only op[tion, to completely erase the watch and then 
download the update. Unless somebody has a better idea…

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Deb Cook 
Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3

 

OK. It says I’m about a half gig short of the space required for the update. I 
have deleted all 3rd party apps, I have no songs, pictures etc. I’ve deleted 
every app that Apple says I can delete from the native apps. I’m still the same 
amount short for the install. If I have even less than Apple provided on my 
watch, how I can I get to less than this long enough to install the update? I 
hate to completely erase the watch.

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[chaltain]

I’ve had doctor’s and dentist’s use both wrist bands and finger cups to measure 
my blood pressure. Blood travels through more then just your arm, so I assume 
it’s possible to use other locations on your body to measure blood pressure.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 7:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

Yes you are correct,

 

The cuff pressurises the blood flow through a vain in the elbow / bicept and 
then as the cuff releases pressure the flow starts which is what is listened 
for,

And then as the noise of the flow stops that is where they get the end results 
from.

 

I had to learn to do this for my PE degree in exercise prescription 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 4:20 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > escribió:

 

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,

It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,

So a slightly earlier chip,

 

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

 

It does sound like a great device 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Richard,

 

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

 

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.

Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.

Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many 

help please trouble with iOS update

['A Robledo' via VIPhone]

Hello list,

Please help. I tried to do the update and the phone has been updating for about 
five hours. Don’t know what to do.

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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yes you are correct,

The cuff pressurises the blood flow through a vain in the elbow / bicept and 
then as the cuff releases pressure the flow starts which is what is listened 
for,
And then as the noise of the flow stops that is where they get the end results 
from.

I had to learn to do this for my PE degree in exercise prescription

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 4:20 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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Can't Upgrade apple Watch Series 3

[Deb Cook Lewis]

OK. It says I'm about a half gig short of the space required for the update.
I have deleted all 3rd party apps, I have no songs, pictures etc. I've
deleted every app that Apple says I can delete from the native apps. I'm
still the same amount short for the install. If I have even less than Apple
provided on my watch, how I can I get to less than this long enough to
install the update? I hate to completely erase the watch.

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah and I don’t even know where I put mine as I’m using a wireless charging 
pad which does all 3 devices,
Watch, pods and phone


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2020 4:12 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Use the one you have or buy a wireless charging pad which I prefer anyways, I 
haven't used the wall adapter which comes with my ipHone in ages.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
richr...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
expected to charge them?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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Big-time battery drain on my iPhone 7 Plus

[Mary Otten]

I have been running the beta on my iPhone 7 Plus, and throughout the entire 
cycle, I never noticed anything strange about battery drain. Yesterday, I 
downloaded what I presume was the golden master. When I went to bed last night, 
my phone had the airplane mode on and Wi-Fi off. Screen was locked. I don’t 
remember exactly what my battery was, but I know it was way over 50. I got up 
this morning to a dead battery. 0%. I charged it up to 100, and now, it’s down 
in the 40s again. I’ve been using it, but not that much. And I always leave the 
screen locked when the phone is not in use. This battery drain is astonishing. 
I just put iOS 14 on my other phone, a Xr, so I guess I’ll see what happens. 
Strange that all the way through the cycle I didn’t have any issues, but now 
it’s not good at all.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: blood pressure, was, RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Lois Butterfield]

Yes, I did the same research and found the same answers. I will get the new 
watch just for the VO 2 Max reading. I’ve always been interested in that.


Take care, 
Lois Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, after my wife did a little research, Sieghard, of course, nailed it.
> The watch does not do blood pressure on its own.
> It needs the Qardio Arm wireless cuff, or maybe another iPhone compatible 
> cuff,  to get the information and then the watch can speak it, etc.
> The app for the Qardio Arm can also speak it from the iPhone without a watch 
> with VoiceOver.
>  
> But having the new blood oxygen level combined with the other health data, 
> can be a good argument to get the new watch.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & 
> AA MAY
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> My husband is gadget-mad, Richard, and has a cuff blood pressure monitor too, 
> so he isn’t relying on his watch. But thanks for the thought.
> Alison
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: 16 September 2020 18:17
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> Alison, seriously, you ought to compare it to the doctor’s blood pressure 
> reading so you know how to gauge the accuracy.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alison 
> May
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
> pressure reading. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
> 0777 315 8181
>  
> 
> On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
> without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
> machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life 
> support machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal 
> setting you have to put that cuff around your upper arm.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & 
> AA MAY
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
> sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
> course, it doesn’t talk!
> Alison
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
> some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
> rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an 
> all-in-one device!
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>  
> 
> El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
> It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
> So a slightly earlier chip,
>  
> Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.
>  
> It does sound like a great device
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
> else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, 
> but it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be 
> ordered today, maybe the details are on their page?
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted 

Re: Battery drain

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Also, when my iPhone updated to 13.7, I had to turn my screen
brightness to 0, and also turn off screen time.  This really helped me
save some of my iPhone's battery.

On 9/16/20, Duane Steele  wrote:
> Thanks Richard for the help. I really appreiate all the knowledge and
> insight you and others bring to this list.
>
>
> Peace & Blessings,
> Pastor Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
>
>> On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If the battery drain continues after more than a few days, I'd contact
>> Apple Accessibility.
>> It is normal after an update to see some extra battery drain while the
>> phone indexes itself in the background.
>> But after a few days, it should go back to normal.
>> I'd call Apple Accessibility and have them do some diagnostics that they
>> can do remotely: 877-204-3930
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>> Edward Herbert
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Duane Steele
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:33 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Battery drain
>>
>> Hello Listers,
>>
>> iOS 13.7 downloaded to my phone recently, and since its download, I'm
>> noticing significant drain on my battery in less time than say, last week.
>> I have not added any demand to my device. Have others noticed this also,
>> and is there something I can, or need to do about this? Thanks for any
>> suggestions.
>>
>>
>> Peace & Blessings,
>> Pastor Duane L. Steele
>> Phone (276) 730-5194
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blood pressure, was, RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Richard Turner]

Well, after my wife did a little research, Sieghard, of course, nailed it.
The watch does not do blood pressure on its own.
It needs the Qardio Arm wireless cuff, or maybe another iPhone compatible cuff, 
 to get the information and then the watch can speak it, etc.
The app for the Qardio Arm can also speak it from the iPhone without a watch 
with VoiceOver.

But having the new blood oxygen level combined with the other health data, can 
be a good argument to get the new watch.






Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband is gadget-mad, Richard, and has a cuff blood pressure monitor too, 
so he isn’t relying on his watch. But thanks for the thought.
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: 16 September 2020 18:17
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Alison, seriously, you ought to compare it to the doctor’s blood pressure 
reading so you know how to gauge the accuracy.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alison 
May
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
pressure reading.
Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181

On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 

RE: Got my SE 2020 today

[Alan Lemly]

Andy,

Enjoy your new SE 2020. I think you chose wisely.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Got my SE 2020 today

Hello All who posted help for me on a new Iphone.  I received my SE 2020 this 
morning and up and running.  For those who are notsure to what phone to 
upgrade, "I Love It"  It was easy to tranfer all Apps and Data.  I just wanted 
to confirm with everyone that gave positive comments last week.
Thanks again for all the help and your unselfish time you spent on me answering 
questions and the help that made me decide on upgrading from the 6s to the SE 
2020. Andy and Shubert 

Andrew J. LaPointe, President
Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
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RE: iOS, iPadOS, and tvOS, plus watch OS are all out

[Richard Turner]

In spite of some concerns about the bugs still in 14, I went ahead and updated 
my old SE first generation and decided to time it with the stop watch on my new 
SE which is running the GoldMaster.

On the SE first generation, it took about 2 minutes to download the update, 
another 21 minutes to go from preparing the update, to Install Now.
It took about another 10 minutes to reboot and be ready for my passcode.

A couple notes on this.  I had the wired Apple earphones plugged in and when it 
came back, there was no delay with VoiceOver, which had been an issue if 
rebooting the phone under iOS 13.x.

And, the responsiveness of the phone with iOS 14 is every bit as fast as 
before, if not a little snappier.

Before any braille users update, I'd recommend reading Scott Daverts entry on 
Applevis blog,

https://www.applevis.com/blog/what-s-new-ios-14-and-ipados-14-blind-and-deaf-blind-users

There are other new entries about 
Apple Releases tvOS 14
Apple Releases watchOS 7; Bringing Sleep and Handwashing Tracking, New Faces, 
Complication Enhancements, and More
And a separate one on the Sleep App.

Just go to www.applevis.com/blog to find them.


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 1:24 PM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: iOS, iPadOS, and tvOS, plus watch OS are all out

And outlook and edge have been updated so they can be set as default if you 
wish.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: iOS, iPadOS, and tvOS, plus watch OS are all out

[Afik Souffir]

Hi, yes correct.
I’ve just set edge as my default.


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> On 16 Sep 2020, at 23:24, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> And outlook and edge have been updated so they can be set as default if you 
> wish.
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iOS, iPadOS, and tvOS, plus watch OS are all out

[Mary Otten]

And outlook and edge have been updated so they can be set as default if you 
wish.


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Re: iOS14 not launched today?

[l . d . ethier23]

It's now available in Canada

Lyne

> Le 16 sept. 2020 à 12:31, Joney  a écrit :
> 
> They said yesterday on the apples keynote that it would be out today. I 
> don’t figure it will start to be available until around 9 o’clock Pacific 
> time which will be 1 o’clock Eastern time. So I am awaiting. That’s usually 
> how it works anyway.
> 
> Joney
> talk2o...@gmail.com
> "If God can bring you to it, 
> He will lead you through it."  
> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Matthew Bullis  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> It also may take time to be distributed around the world, so you may not 
>> see it right away. I tend to wait a couple of days anyway, to read about it, 
>> and also give time for the flurry of downloads to subside.
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Time will tell.
>> Apple likes to release things and hold events at 10 AM Pacific time, so if 
>> it isn't released shortly after that, then I'd be looking for an 
>> announcement from Apple.
>> The Applevis blog has already posted their iOS 14 summary and list of bugs 
>> for VoiceOver users.
>> Read it here:
>> https://www.applevis.com/blog/what-s-new-ios-14-and-ipados-14-blind-and-deaf-blind-users
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Gerardo Corripio
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 7:57 AM
>> To: iPhone List 
>> Subject: iOS14 not launched today?
>> 
>> How trustworthy is "Apple Insider"? I just got a tweet a₣a few minutes ago, 
>> that iOS14 isn't going to be launched until Tuesday? According to the 
>> article, some devs seem not to be too happy with Apple's one--day notice 
>> between the Golden Master, and launching right the next day, the official 
>> rebbease of iOS14. Can you guys confirm this info?
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[CJ & AA MAY]

Okay. I’ll get him to take a look. 

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: 16 September 2020 18:45
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

Great!

Well, would you mind saying how close the watch and the cuff are?

I think lots of us would be interested.

I know I am.  That could be a determining factor in whether I buy a watch.

I have a need to track my blood pressure, so this would be extremely helpful.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

My husband is gadget-mad, Richard, and has a cuff blood pressure monitor too, 
so he isn’t relying on his watch. But thanks for the thought.

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: 16 September 2020 18:17
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

Alison, seriously, you ought to compare it to the doctor’s blood pressure 
reading so you know how to gauge the accuracy.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Alison May
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
pressure reading. 

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may

0777 315 8181

 

On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > escribió:

 

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,

It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,

So a slightly earlier chip,

 

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

 

It does sound like a great device 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the 

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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Wayne Merritt]

Responding to the question of whether sleep tracking can be used on
the older Apple Watch, I saw a reference on AppleVis that sleep
tracking was apart of WatchOS 7. So you should be able to use it on a
watch Series 4 or later. You could probably use on Series 3, but I
think Series 4 is snappier and runs better over all, at least given
the issues my wife has with her Series 2. One could make the argument
for getting a Series 6 to charge the watch quicker and for the faster
processor. I'm going to give my Series 4 to my wife and get a Series 6
for myself.

Jmt,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/16/20, Priscilla Garces (prisci)  wrote:
> Maybe it would be later tonight who  knows.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, wireless chargers are definitely slower.
>> By the way, it’s looking more and more as if Ios 14 won’t be today.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Question, do you think that the wireless charging pad is a little
>>> slower?
>>>
>>> Plus, Jim and I were at the store today, saw Apple 10 foot cables for
>>> $3.99; they also have chargers there for a couple of dollars.
>>>
>>> I have two wireless chargers though, and they are so handy, like hanging
>>> up an old phone.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:12 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>>>
>>> Use the one you have or buy a wireless charging pad which I prefer
>>> anyways, I haven't used the wall adapter which comes with my ipHone in
>>> ages.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> richr...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:17 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are
>>> you expected to charge them?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new
>>> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member
>>> has their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their
>>> own phone, and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone
>>> numbers requires the cellular model.
>>>
>>> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th,
>>> orderable today.
>>>
>>> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the
>>> Series 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also
>>> available Friday the 18th.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
>>>
>>> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be
>>> released tomorrow, the 16th.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No mention at all about a new phone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>>> Edward Herbert
>>>
>>>
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Priscilla Garces (prisci)]

Maybe it would be later tonight who  knows.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:43 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
> 
> Yes, wireless chargers are definitely slower.
> By the way, it’s looking more and more as if Ios 14 won’t be today.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Question, do you think that the wireless charging pad is a little slower?
>> 
>> Plus, Jim and I were at the store today, saw Apple 10 foot cables for $3.99; 
>> they also have chargers there for a couple of dollars.
>> 
>> I have two wireless chargers though, and they are so handy, like hanging up 
>> an old phone. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:12 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>> 
>> Use the one you have or buy a wireless charging pad which I prefer anyways, 
>> I haven't used the wall adapter which comes with my ipHone in ages.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> richr...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
>> expected to charge them?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
>> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
>> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own 
>> phone, and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers 
>> requires the cellular model.
>> 
>> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
>> orderable today.
>> 
>> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the 
>> Series 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available 
>> Friday the 18th.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
>> 
>> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
>> tomorrow, the 16th.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> No mention at all about a new phone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> 
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Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Lynn White]

Yes, wireless chargers are definitely slower.
By the way, it’s looking more and more as if Ios 14 won’t be today.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Question, do you think that the wireless charging pad is a little slower?
> 
> Plus, Jim and I were at the store today, saw Apple 10 foot cables for $3.99; 
> they also have chargers there for a couple of dollars. 
> 
> I have two wireless chargers though, and they are so handy, like hanging up 
> an old phone. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
> 
> Use the one you have or buy a wireless charging pad which I prefer anyways, I 
> haven't used the wall adapter which comes with my ipHone in ages.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> richr...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
> 
> 
> 
> So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
> expected to charge them?
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
> 
> 
> 
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
> 
> 
> 
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
> and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
> the cellular model.
> 
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
> orderable today.
> 
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
> 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday 
> the 18th.
> 
> 
> 
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
> 
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
> 
> 
> 
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
> tomorrow, the 16th.
> 
> 
> 
> No mention at all about a new phone.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Re: Battery drain

[Duane Steele]

Thanks Richard for the help. I really appreiate all the knowledge and insight 
you and others bring to this list.


Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> If the battery drain continues after more than a few days, I'd contact Apple 
> Accessibility.
> It is normal after an update to see some extra battery drain while the phone 
> indexes itself in the background.
> But after a few days, it should go back to normal.
> I'd call Apple Accessibility and have them do some diagnostics that they can 
> do remotely: 877-204-3930
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
> Steele
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Battery drain
> 
> Hello Listers,
> 
> iOS 13.7 downloaded to my phone recently, and since its download, I'm 
> noticing significant drain on my battery in less time than say, last week. I 
> have not added any demand to my device. Have others noticed this also, and is 
> there something I can, or need to do about this? Thanks for any suggestions.
> 
> 
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Carolyn]

Question, do you think that the wireless charging pad is a little slower?

Plus, Jim and I were at the store today, saw Apple 10 foot cables for $3.99; 
they also have chargers there for a couple of dollars. 

I have two wireless chargers though, and they are so handy, like hanging up an 
old phone. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Use the one you have or buy a wireless charging pad which I prefer anyways, I 
haven't used the wall adapter which comes with my ipHone in ages.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
richr...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
expected to charge them?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

 

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.

Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.

Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

 

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.

iPads won’t be available until next month.

 

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

 

No mention at all about a new phone.

 

 

 

 

Richard

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Richard Turner]

Great!
Well, would you mind saying how close the watch and the cuff are?
I think lots of us would be interested.
I know I am.  That could be a determining factor in whether I buy a watch.
I have a need to track my blood pressure, so this would be extremely helpful.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband is gadget-mad, Richard, and has a cuff blood pressure monitor too, 
so he isn’t relying on his watch. But thanks for the thought.
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: 16 September 2020 18:17
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Alison, seriously, you ought to compare it to the doctor’s blood pressure 
reading so you know how to gauge the accuracy.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alison 
May
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
pressure reading.
Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181

On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled 

RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[CJ & AA MAY]

My husband is gadget-mad, Richard, and has a cuff blood pressure monitor too, 
so he isn’t relying on his watch. But thanks for the thought.

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: 16 September 2020 18:17
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

Alison, seriously, you ought to compare it to the doctor’s blood pressure 
reading so you know how to gauge the accuracy.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Alison May
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
pressure reading. 

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may

0777 315 8181

 

On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

 

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > escribió:

 

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,

It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,

So a slightly earlier chip,

 

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

 

It does sound like a great device 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Richard,

 

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

 

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with 

RE: Battery drain

[Richard Turner]

If the battery drain continues after more than a few days, I'd contact Apple 
Accessibility.
It is normal after an update to see some extra battery drain while the phone 
indexes itself in the background.
But after a few days, it should go back to normal.
I'd call Apple Accessibility and have them do some diagnostics that they can do 
remotely: 877-204-3930




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Battery drain

Hello Listers,

iOS 13.7 downloaded to my phone recently, and since its download, I'm noticing 
significant drain on my battery in less time than say, last week. I have not 
added any demand to my device. Have others noticed this also, and is there 
something I can, or need to do about this? Thanks for any suggestions.


Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

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Battery drain

[Duane Steele]

Hello Listers,

iOS 13.7 downloaded to my phone recently, and since its download, I'm noticing 
significant drain on my battery in less time than say, last week. I have not 
added any demand to my device. Have others noticed this also, and is there 
something I can, or need to do about this? Thanks for any suggestions.


Peace & Blessings,
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Richard Turner]

Alison, seriously, you ought to compare it to the doctor’s blood pressure 
reading so you know how to gauge the accuracy.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alison 
May
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
pressure reading.
Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181


On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard

Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Alison May]

I dont know how accurate it is but my husbands watch definitely gives a blood 
pressure reading. 

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
0777 315 8181

> On 16 Sep 2020, at 5:19 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
> without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
> machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life 
> support machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal 
> setting you have to put that cuff around your upper arm.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & 
> AA MAY
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
> sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
> course, it doesn’t talk!
> Alison
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
> some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
> rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an 
> all-in-one device!
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>  
> 
> El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
> It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
> So a slightly earlier chip,
>  
> Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.
>  
> It does sound like a great device
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what 
> else it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, 
> but it should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be 
> ordered today, maybe the details are on their page?
> 
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard,
>  
> Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
> video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced
>  
> The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.
>  
> Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new 
> blood oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has 
> their own phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, 
> and an always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires 
> the cellular model.
> Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
> orderable today.
> Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
> 6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday 
> the 18th.
>  
> New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
> iPads won’t be available until next month.
>  
> All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
> tomorrow, the 16th.
>  
> No mention at all about a new phone.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Re: iOS14 not launched today?

[Joney]

They said yesterday on the apples keynote that it would be out today. I don’t 
figure it will start to be available until around 9 o’clock Pacific time which 
will be 1 o’clock Eastern time. So I am awaiting. That’s usually how it works 
anyway.

Joney
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"If God can bring you to it, 
He will lead you through it."  

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Matthew Bullis  
> wrote:
> 
> It also may take time to be distributed around the world, so you may not see 
> it right away. I tend to wait a couple of days anyway, to read about it, and 
> also give time for the flurry of downloads to subside.
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Time will tell.
> Apple likes to release things and hold events at 10 AM Pacific time, so if it 
> isn't released shortly after that, then I'd be looking for an announcement 
> from Apple.
> The Applevis blog has already posted their iOS 14 summary and list of bugs 
> for VoiceOver users.
> Read it here:
> https://www.applevis.com/blog/what-s-new-ios-14-and-ipados-14-blind-and-deaf-blind-users
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 7:57 AM
> To: iPhone List 
> Subject: iOS14 not launched today?
> 
> How trustworthy is "Apple Insider"? I just got a tweet a₣a few minutes ago, 
> that iOS14 isn't going to be launched until Tuesday? According to the 
> article, some devs seem not to be too happy with Apple's one--day notice 
> between the Golden Master, and launching right the next day, the official 
> rebbease of iOS14. Can you guys confirm this info?
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Blood pressure, was RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Richard Turner]

Actually, while I have no idea about the Watch’s capability here, there are 
lots of wrist cuffs out there that while they may not be as accurate as the 
upper arm ones, what I’m told by several medical people, so long as you always 
use the same cuff, you can rely on those numbers so long as you follow best 
practice with any home blood pressure tool, which  is to take it in to your 
doctors office and have them check your blood pressure with their cuff and then 
with yours to see how close it is or is not.
Then you know, if your cuff is 20 points higher than the doctors, if you use 
that as your baseline, you can go from there.

I would never personally rely on a wrist cuff, but I’m also not a doctor.


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of CJ & 
AA MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new 

RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think you might be mistaken, there is no way to measure blood pressure 
without a cuff which gets inflated around your upper arm, even expensive 
machinery in hospitals can't do this. I mean maybe if you are on a life support 
machine this is somehow constantly measured, but in any normal setting you have 
to put that cuff around your upper arm.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!
Alison


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Richard Turner]

Sadly, they were not that specific, or rather, I don’t have a watch so maybe I 
missed it.

They spit that info out so fast it was hard to take notes and not miss things.

Sorry,



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Richard,

Did they say anything about Watch OS 7 on the fifth generation watch  in terms 
of the sleep app? I assume it will be available, but one never knows with Apple.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Richard,

Did they say anything about Watch OS 7 on the fifth generation watch  in terms 
of the sleep app? I assume it will be available, but one never knows with Apple.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Use the one you have or buy a wireless charging pad which I prefer anyways, I 
haven't used the wall adapter which comes with my ipHone in ages.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
richr...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

So if they are not shipping USB adapters with new Apple watches, how are you 
expected to charge them?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




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RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is nothing new, many apps came out as paid apps and later dropped in price 
or went free altogether because somehow the developer found a different way to 
make money and I assume this will always be happening.
It's no different from buying a product you like only to find it elsewhere for 
cheaper or to see it go on sale a week later.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Hi Amy,

Like you, I Purchased Nearby Explorer. I was rather surprised and disappointed 
to learn that there was an update they could not be downloaded from the App 
Store. I believe it is a PH is intention to only work on this app. That’s 
unfortunate, because a number of us did buy that product and we can’t even get 
the latest update for it.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Amy 
Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:40:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

Does anyone know if they will keep updating Nearby Explorer?  I have
the paid version.
Thanks,
Amy

On 9/15/20, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> I did mean Canada too   But  I’m not sure if it is available in Canada
> appstore yet.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:51 AM, Fazil  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> When you say ‘North America’, does it include Canada?
>> Thanks!
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:11 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> Under the auspice of American printing House, I don’t think this app will
>> be available anywhere else except North America anytime soon. It should be
>> so easy to make it Universally  available though.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:56 PM, Malcolm Parfitt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not available here in the UK so I don’t know how widely available it is I
>> suspect not widely at all.
>>
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>>
>>
>> On 14 Sep 2020, at 23:24, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Note, when it loads onto your iPhone, it will be called Explore, not Good
>> Maps or even Good Maps Explore.
>>
>> If you want to send feedback or ask questions, the support address is
>> supp...@goodmaps.com
>> Their phone is: (502) 845-3113
>>
>> I found 2 out of date Points Of Interest within two blocks of my house in
>> the first 15 minutes of using the Look Around tab.
>> I sent them that information.
>>
>> You can search for an address or POI from the location screen.
>> You can use a “getting warmer” method, or get directions using Google Maps
>> or Apple Maps launched from within the app.
>>
>> For a first release, this looks quite impressive.
>>
>> One more note, One of the out of date POI locations is a restaurant that
>> has been out of business for at least 3 years, so I searched for the name
>> of the new restaurant that went in about 6 months after the other one
>> closed and found it easily.
>> So, it is in their data base, they just have to update the info spoken  in
>> the Look Around tab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
>> Edward Herbert
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> TaraPrakash
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 2:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore
>>
>> GoodMaps is proud to announce the release of GoodMaps Explore, an
>> accessible wayfinding app designed primarily for people who are blind or
>> visually impaired, which sets a new standard for indoor navigation across
>> the globe. GoodMaps Explore uses audio instructions to communicate routing
>> and critical spatial information as users move through a space, whether
>> indoors or outdoors, drawing upon GoodMaps’ state-of-the-art digital maps.
>> In doing so, GoodMaps has solved four problems that have frustrated the
>> field for several decades by:
>>
>> 1. delivering superior positioning accuracy with minimal infrastructure,
>> 2. dramatically speeding the process to digitally map a building, which
>> provides the foundation for the app,
>> 3. creating a way for building owners to securely control their mapping
>> data,
>> 4. providing the public with a complete package of maps with an app to
>> actually use them.
>>
>>
>> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/goodmaps-explore/id1524698552
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: iOS14 not launched today?

[Gordon]

It would make sense not to launch it today based on Apple's way of 
handling this for years. They've always launched gold master to the 
public beta testers and developers within hours after the event ends and 
then the public launch a week later which would be this coming Tuesday. 
I was a bit surprised when they announced that it would launch to the 
public today.


On 9/16/2020 10:43 AM, Matthew Bullis wrote:

It also may take time to be distributed around the world, so you may not see it 
right away. I tend to wait a couple of days anyway, to read about it, and also 
give time for the flurry of downloads to subside.
Matthew


On Sep 16, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Time will tell.
Apple likes to release things and hold events at 10 AM Pacific time, so if it 
isn't released shortly after that, then I'd be looking for an announcement from 
Apple.
The Applevis blog has already posted their iOS 14 summary and list of bugs for 
VoiceOver users.
Read it here:
https://www.applevis.com/blog/what-s-new-ios-14-and-ipados-14-blind-and-deaf-blind-users



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” 
and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It 
is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once 
regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 7:57 AM
To: iPhone List 
Subject: iOS14 not launched today?

How trustworthy is "Apple Insider"? I just got a tweet a₣a few minutes ago, 
that iOS14 isn't going to be launched until Tuesday? According to the article, some devs 
seem not to be too happy with Apple's one--day notice between the Golden Master, and 
launching right the next day, the official rebbease of iOS14. Can you guys confirm this 
info?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel



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Re: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

[Anna Dresner]

I'm not running into delays or focus issues with an iPhone X. There was one 
beta that caused a lot of people to experience lags, so maybe that's what the 
person doing the demo was using.

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 12:20 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, with my SE 2020 I'm not having any of those focus issues and there is 
> no more delay when opening apps for me using US English.
>  Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:57 PM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> 
>>  And speaking of iOS14 with VO, on a blindness iphone Spanish Whatsapp 
>> group I'm in, a guy did a demo, in which he commented how long apps would 
>> take between double-tapping and making the sound that it's opened and ready 
>> to use! I think the user was using an iPhone 10?
>> Also he commented that focus goes to the top of the screen, having to use 
>> Explore by Touch to go to the desired item to be able to interact with it?
>> Any of you'll encounter these with an SE2020?
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>> 
>>> El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:37 p.m., Simon A Fogarty  
>>> escribió:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yeah that’s what confused me,
>>> But there is not yet a watch os 7 or a tv os 14,
>>> I can only assume it is the GM and they have cut the Beta version numbers 
>>> for now.
>>> So I guess we’re as normal a step ahead still.
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:31 pm
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO
>>>  
>>> Well, this a little embarrassing, I "assumed" it was a beta since the 
>>> public release isn't coming out until tomorrow.
>>> i did not pay attention to the version number prior to the download.
>>> All of mine, once they were installed, they just said 14.0.
>>> So, maybe we did just get the full release version.
>>> You know what they say about assuming?
>>>   
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>>> Edward Herbert
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Simon A Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>  
>>> How was the new beta labelled?
>>>  
>>> As my updates show the version as ios 14,
>>> With no beta version or point version.
>>>  
>>> And this is a public beta.
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
>>> Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:27 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO
>>>  
>>> The final beta just came out.
>>> There have been issues and with message threading, misspelled words on the 
>>> rotor, and maybe a couple other oddities, so I would not recommend people 
>>> update immediately when it comes out tomorrow.
>>> Also, some settings have been added and changed.  I won’t say more until 
>>> after the release.
>>> Go and read the Applevis.com blog tomorrow to see what they say.
>>> Here is the main blog page link.  Look for a heading with iOS 14 in it 
>>> probably tomorrow mid-day or afternoon to give them time to get it posted.
>>> https://www.applevis.com/blog 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>>> Edward Herbert
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
>>> Mr. Ed
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:08 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO
>>>  
>>> Hi All,
>>> Just asking the beta tester how IOS 14 workds with VO. Is it stable or have 
>>> a lot of bugs?
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RE: iPhone SE plus

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The rumours for the new phones are pretty much out. There will be an iPhone 12 
with a 5.4 inch display which I read is supposed to be physically smaller than 
the current iPhone SE (or iPhone 8 since the iPhone 8 and new SE are the same 
size).


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone SE plus

I would like to see an SE2020  plus. I have not made my final choice on phones 
yet. Still rocking my 7plus here.

On 9/15/20, Mary Otten  wrote:
> We know that Apple didn’t mention anything about  phones today. But in 
> the tech blogs early this morning, there were a couple of them 
> commenting on how a screen protector for an iPhone SE two or 2020+ had showed 
> up at Best Buy.
> Same size as the 8+ and the 7+, and it fits those items. Makes me 
> wonder if we’re going to see an SE2 plus at the iPhone reveal. That 
> would be awfully hard to pass up.
>
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Re: question about VoiceOver Recognition

[Anna Dresner]

Yes, it does.

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 2:20 AM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello.
> for those who use iPhone XR and are already running IOS 14.
> VoiceOver Recognition works on iPhone XR?
> thanks.
> cheers.
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Re: iOS14 not launched today?

[Matthew Bullis]

It also may take time to be distributed around the world, so you may not see it 
right away. I tend to wait a couple of days anyway, to read about it, and also 
give time for the flurry of downloads to subside.
Matthew


On Sep 16, 2020, at 8:11 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Time will tell.
Apple likes to release things and hold events at 10 AM Pacific time, so if it 
isn't released shortly after that, then I'd be looking for an announcement from 
Apple.
The Applevis blog has already posted their iOS 14 summary and list of bugs for 
VoiceOver users.
Read it here:
https://www.applevis.com/blog/what-s-new-ios-14-and-ipados-14-blind-and-deaf-blind-users



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that iOS14 isn't going to be launched until Tuesday? According to the article, 
some devs seem not to be too happy with Apple's one--day notice between the 
Golden Master, and launching right the next day, the official rebbease of 
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RE: iOS14 not launched today?

[Richard Turner]

Time will tell.
Apple likes to release things and hold events at 10 AM Pacific time, so if it 
isn't released shortly after that, then I'd be looking for an announcement from 
Apple.
The Applevis blog has already posted their iOS 14 summary and list of bugs for 
VoiceOver users.
Read it here:
https://www.applevis.com/blog/what-s-new-ios-14-and-ipados-14-blind-and-deaf-blind-users



Richard
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How trustworthy is "Apple Insider"? I just got a tweet a₣a few minutes ago, 
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some devs seem not to be too happy with Apple's one--day notice between the 
Golden Master, and launching right the next day, the official rebbease of 
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iOS14 not launched today?

[Gerardo Corripio]

How trustworthy is "Apple Insider"? I just got a tweet a₣a few minutes ago, 
that iOS14 isn't going to be launched until Tuesday? According to the article, 
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Re: Apple Arcade, are any of the games accessible

[Wayne Merritt]

Once people try screen recognition in iOS 14, I would be very
interested to know if any of the Apple Arcade specific games work with
VoiceOver, or other mainstream games in the iOS app store.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/15/20, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> And here I wasn’t a fan of gaming,
>
> I guess I’m going to have to change that.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin
> Prater
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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>
> When iOS 14 comes out, using screen recognition, the game Game of Thrones,
> Tale of Crows will be usable with screen recognition.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 6:24 PM Donna Casteen
> mailto:mermaid71...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> No, none of the Apple arcade games are accessible. I just cancelled the 1mo.
> Free that I signed up for, so that my 10y/o would have something to keep
> himself occupied on our trip to CA.
>
> Donnaare any of the games accessible
>>
>> Hi I i’m just curious to know if the Apple arcade and the games in it are
>> accessible with voiceover.
>> Jen
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RE: Twitterrific experiences with voiceOver’s new Description settings?

[Simon A Fogarty]

That to me sounds like meta data,

If the meta data is there with the tweet then yes you should here it,
 That of course is dependant on the way that data is tagged to make it viewable 
by vo.

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YOu guys know how on the native Twitter app, when you’re on top of a tweet 
sometimes it gives you a summary of what’s on it? On Spotify, for instance, you 
get the artist’s name, song and other info. With Twitterrific, you don’t seem 
to have access to such info! I’m curious, if with the new Description features 
in Voiceover, would one be able to read these kinds of tweets with Twitterrific?

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Twitterrific experiences with voiceOver’s new Description settings?

[Gerardo Corripio]

YOu guys know how on the native Twitter app, when you’re on top of a tweet 
sometimes it gives you a summary of what’s on it? On Spotify, for instance, you 
get the artist’s name, song and other info. With Twitterrific, you don’t seem 
to have access to such info! I’m curious, if with the new Description features 
in Voiceover, would one be able to read these kinds of tweets with Twitterrific?

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S E 2020

[Noe Villeda]

Hello Listers,

 

Someone named Brandon, from Jacksonville has posted a lot of informative
videos about the new S E 2020 iPhone on Youtube, I'll have to see what other
videos are available, as he seems very thorough and gives lots of great tips
and tricks for using the phone more effectively.

 

 

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RE: Air Quality info

[chaltain]

Plus, it just makes sense to me that dumping all of this pollution into the air 
and water and soil isn’t a good idea, and it will have some negative 
consequences.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

 

So trying to cite proof on this list would be seriously off-topic, David. But 
the evidence is out there and has been for years. All you have to do is Google 
it and ignore things like Fox News and other wild conspiracy theory idiots and 
you’ll be fine. The statistics are out there. We are causing it. Go research it.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:46 PM, David Moore mailto:jesusloves1...@gmail.com> > wrote:



What is the proof that the change in our climate is man made or is it a pattern 
of hot than cold that the Earth has experienced for all time!

Maybe it will start getting colder many years from now!

How do we know if it is man made!

I would really like to hear the proof you have!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail   for Windows 10

 

From: Simon A Fogarty  
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 10:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Air Quality info

 

Reno,

I heard they have great beach front property to sell,

 

Hell I believe everything he says!

 

He has to be one of the smartest people on the planet,

 

Telling the press that science hasn’t proved anything has got to be one of the 
smartest statements ever made by a muppet!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:51 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Air Quality info

 

We do not have a leader. 

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

If you believe what he says, I'll gladly sell you some ocean front property 
just outside Reno Nevada.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Sep 15, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Simon A Fogarty <  
si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:

 

But Richard,

 

It’s ok your leader says it’s not effecting global warming at all, and science 
hasn’t proved anything.

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com < 
 viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 2:22 am
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Air Quality info

 

Rather than mention this on a thread about NFL games, I am giving it its own 
thread.

IN Portland, Oregon today, the air quality at 7:09 AM is 453 which is quite 
hazardous.

You can ask Siri for the Air quality in most cities in the United States.

I do not know what information is available in other countries.

Last week, Portland, Oregon had the worst air quality in the world due to the 
smoke from the fires, sometimes going well over 500 and eugene Oregon hit 
almost 700..

Since California is also dealing with fires a good comparison is Los Angeles, 
which is considered unhealthy right now at 168.

Once you get away from the fires, for example, Pheonix, Arizona is moderate at 
59, New York City is good at 32.

Those last two are likely from normal air pollution.

 

IN Portland, they are not expecting much improvement until Thursday or Friday 
when we may finally get some rain and air flow from the west.

 

HTH,

 

Richard

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RE: Missed the event? Time for a recap. There is a link to watch the event in this email,

[Simon A Fogarty]

Interesting,

I thought the SE watch did have the ECG monitor,

But didn’t have the blood O2 meter,
Oh well,
My S4 is working fine.

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 9:07 pm
To: ViPone list 
Subject: Fwd: Missed the event? Time for a recap. There is a link to watch the 
event in this email,


Begin forwarded message:

From: Apple 
Date: September 15, 2020 at 11:25:33 PM PDT
To: richardturne...@outlook.com
Subject: Missed the event? Time for a recap.


Time for a recap.

Introducing Apple Watch Series 6, Apple Watch SE, Apple Fitness+, the new iPad 
Air and iPad, and Apple One — the all-new Apple services bundle.
[Image removed by sender. Watch the 
event]

Measure your blood oxygen level.1 Take an ECG anytime, anywhere.2 Easily see 
your fitness
metrics on the enhanced
Always-On Retina display.
[Image removed by sender. 
Buy]
Learn more[Image removed by 
sender.]

An expansive Retina display. Advanced sensors to track all the
ways you move. Powerful features to keep you healthy and safe.
Starting at just $279.
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Buy]
Learn more[Image removed by 
sender.]

A new fitness experience powered by Apple Watch. Try world-class workouts 
created by top fitness trainers on your iPhone, iPad, and Apple TV.
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The new A14 Bionic chip. And support for Apple Pencil and Magic Keyboard. 
Available in five finishes.
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Fwd: Missed the event? Time for a recap. There is a link to watch the event in this email,

[Richard Turner]

Begin forwarded message:

From: Apple 
Date: September 15, 2020 at 11:25:33 PM PDT
To: richardturne...@outlook.com
Subject: Missed the event? Time for a recap.



Time for a recap.

Introducing Apple Watch Series 6, Apple Watch SE, Apple Fitness+, the new iPad 
Air and iPad, and Apple One — the all-new Apple services bundle.

[Watch the 
event]

Measure your blood oxygen level.1 Take an ECG anytime, anywhere.2 Easily see 
your fitness
metrics on the enhanced
Always-On Retina display.

[Buy]
Learn 
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An expansive Retina display. Advanced sensors to track all the
ways you move. Powerful features to keep you healthy and safe.
Starting at just $279.

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RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

[bentleyj1952]

Hi,

 

This app might become valuable for me in the future but for now, in my small 
East Texas town, Nacogdoches Texas.  It is ten years out of date on several 
businesses.

 

So far, I can’t figure out how to look around more than half a mile.All stay 
safe,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

 

Note, when it loads onto your iPhone, it will be called Explore, not Good Maps 
or even Good Maps Explore.

 

If you want to send feedback or ask questions, the support address is 
supp...@goodmaps.com  

Their phone is: (502) 845-3113

 

I found 2 out of date Points Of Interest within two blocks of my house in the 
first 15 minutes of using the Look Around tab.

I sent them that information.

 

You can search for an address or POI from the location screen.

You can use a “getting warmer” method, or get directions using Google Maps or 
Apple Maps launched from within the app.

 

For a first release, this looks quite impressive.

 

One more note, One of the out of date POI locations is a restaurant that has 
been out of business for at least 3 years, so I searched for the name of the 
new restaurant that went in about 6 months after the other one closed and found 
it easily.

So, it is in their data base, they just have to update the info spoken  in the 
Look Around tab.

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
TaraPrakash
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Please explore a wonderful gift by APH, GoodMaps Explore

 



GoodMaps is proud to announce the release of  

 GoodMaps Explore, an accessible wayfinding app designed primarily for people 
who are blind or visually impaired, which sets a new standard for indoor 
navigation across the globe. GoodMaps Explore uses audio instructions to 
communicate routing and critical spatial information as users move through a 
space, whether indoors or outdoors, drawing upon GoodMaps’ state-of-the-art 
digital maps. In doing so, GoodMaps has solved four problems that have 
frustrated the field for several decades by:

1. delivering superior positioning accuracy with minimal infrastructure,
2. dramatically speeding the process to digitally map a building, which 
provides the foundation for the app,
3. creating a way for building owners to securely control their mapping data,
4. providing the public with a complete package of maps with an app to actually 
use them.

 




https://apps.apple.com/us/app/goodmaps-explore/id1524698552





 

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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[CJ & AA MAY]

My husband has a smart watch and it measures his blood pressure, quality of 
sleep and more. It didn’t cost him a fortune. It was an Apple product. Of 
course, it doesn’t talk!

Alison

 

 

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Corripio
Sent: 16 September 2020 05:51
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel





El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > escribió:

 

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,

It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,

So a slightly earlier chip,

 

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

 

It does sound like a great device 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?

 

 

Richard

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert






On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Richard,

 

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

 

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

 

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.

Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.

Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

 

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.

iPads won’t be available until next month.

 

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

 

No mention at all about a new phone.

 

 

 

 

Richard

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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Iphone 6SE skipping e-mailsRE: How does the new IOS 14 work with VO

[CJ & AA MAY]

These last few weeks, when checking my e-mails using my Iphone, I find that it 
occasionally skips an e-mail. Does anyone else have this issue?

Alison

 

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question about VoiceOver Recognition

[Mário Navarro]

Hello.
for those who use iPhone XR and are already running IOS 14.
VoiceOver Recognition works on iPhone XR?
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: Writing in Spanish on the iPhone

[Jim Portillo]

Yes! A list would be super!

Sent from my iPhone XR!

> On Sep 14, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Justin Harris  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, I use my phone in Spanish, and have thus been writing in 
> Spanish for years. The methods described so far work just fine, but Sppanish 
> Braille screen input works great. All uncontracted. If you need to know the 
> dots for the accented letters and such, I am happy to help.
> 
> 
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> 
>> El 09/14/2020, a la(s) 7:17 p. m., Jasmine Kotsay  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I am also using Duolingo, and I like it pretty well! I am also learning to 
>> do the method where you slide your finger to get the accent mark you want.
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 3:11 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot, folks. I did add the keyboard, but I don't like that as well 
>>> as I like your method. I am now holding the key down and sliding to get the 
>>> symbol I want. It's tricky, but I like it better.
>>> 
>>> Kristeen Hughes
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2020, at 9:18 AM, Kimberly  wrote:
 
 Christine,
 
 I’m taking spanish on duolingo as well. What I did was install the spanish 
 keyboard on the iPhone. Now whenever spanish is required for entry, the 
 phone shows the spanish keyboard rather than the english one. If you are 
 entering on the onscreen keyboard, I believe you still have to use the 
 hold and slide method that others have described. However, if you are 
 using a bluetooth keyboard. There are dedicated keys for entering accents 
 and the n with tilda. 
 
 The n tilde is the key to the right of the semicolon and the acute accent 
 is the next key to the right of that one.
 
 Kim
 
 Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
 True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of 
 justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.
 
> On Sep 12, 2020, at 5:28 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> 
> I am learning German via the Duo Lingo app and need to use umlauts. I 
> don't know anything about Spanish but assume the same method applies. 
> So, If I want an a umlaut, I tap the letter a and keep my finger there, 
> first it offers some words but then it offers symbols and I slide my 
> finger to the right until I hear the a umlaut but there are other 
> offerings so maybe Spanish may be one of them. 
> In German I have a umlaut, a double s sign which is called something like 
> shafess s, an o and a u umlaut, and this method works for all of them, 
> except with the o and u umlauts I have to slide my finger to the left 
> rather than the right.
> Hope this works for you.
> Initially it is a bit of a faff, but you soon get used to it. 
> Alison
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone  
> Sent: 12 September 2020 03:00
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Writing in Spanish on the iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> I am taking Spanish with the Duolingo app. I do not know how to make 
> certain characters. For example, there is an E acute that Hass to be 
> done. Can someone tell me how to accomplish this? 
> 
> Kristeen Hughes
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Afik Souffir]

I'll check it out!
Thanks!

Afik.


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Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Sorry I’m not sure what you mean by this,

It happened 12 plus hours ago and yes it was streamed on their apple website,
The TV app on the phones, and or apple tv,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Afik 
Souffir
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 5:50 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced


Hi,

How can you listen to the event?


Afik.


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Simon A Fogarty]

Sorry I’m not sure what you mean by this,

It happened 12 plus hours ago and yes it was streamed on their apple website,
The TV app on the phones, and or apple tv,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Afik 
Souffir
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 5:50 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced


Hi,

How can you listen to the event?


Afik.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Simon A Fogarty]

Interesting thought

I’m not sure how they would do that without having the band cause pressure 
around your arm.

As you know normally above the elbow and then sensing the blood flow through 
the vain benieth  your bi cept / across the elbow joint.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 4:51 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

I wonder if these watches could someday measure our blood pressure, maybe by 
some mathematical formula t¢that could combine our oxygen levels, with heart 
rate, or something to that effect? It'd save one money by having an all-in-one 
device!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


El 15 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:09 p.m., Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> escribió:

It has the E c G, the HR monitor etc just no BO2 monitor,
It also has the processor form the Series 5 watch,
So a slightly earlier chip,

Everything else is pretty much the same from what they presented.

It does sound like a great device

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2020 8:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The Watch SE does not have the blood oxygen censor, but I'm not sure what else 
it does not have in the heart stuff. It probably doesn't have the ECG, but it 
should have the blood presure and the rest.I think since it can be ordered 
today, maybe the details are on their page?


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



On Sep 15, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Richard,

Thanks so much for this summary. You've boiled down the gist of the hour plus 
video to a few words that can be digested in a few seconds.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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RE: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

[Afik Souffir]

How does its called?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:53 AM
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Subject: Re: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

Within the Apple TV app, which you've on your iPhone is how I did it earlier in 
the evening, with Audiodescription.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


El 16 sep 2020, a la(s) 12:50 a.m., Afik Souffir 
mailto:afik.souf...@outlook.com>> escribió:


Hi,

How can you listen to the event?


Afik.


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Richard Turner
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Subject: Brief summary of the apple Event, no new iPhone announced

The event lasted a little over an hour and was nicely audio described.

Today’s event focused on the Watch Series 6 running Watch OS7 with a new blood 
oxygen censor, new sleep app, Family setup so each family member has their own 
phone number on the watch so everyone doesn’t need their own phone, and an 
always on altimeter.  The Family Setup with the phone numbers requires the 
cellular model.
Starting price $399 probably for Wi-Fi… available Friday, September 18th, 
orderable today.
Also, the lower cost Watch SE that has many of the new features of the Series 
6, but not the blood oxygen censor, starts at $279.  Also available Friday the 
18th.

New iPad 8th generation and a new iPad Air both running iPad OS14.
iPads won’t be available until next month.

All the operating systems, iOS 14, iPad OS 14, and TV OS 14 will be released 
tomorrow, the 16th.

No mention at all about a new phone.




Richard
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