How can I get the mail messages list in the iPad to show by default when I open the app?

[Mary Otten]

That’s kind of a convoluted subject line, but it does ask the question. In the 
past, when I had iPads, including a mini, when I opened the mail app, on the 
left side of the screen there would be a message list. The right side within 
show the preview for whatever message was selected on the left side. and double 
tapping on a message would open the message so you could see the whole thing. 
However, with my iPad mini six, when I open the Mail app, the message list is 
not shown by default. Instead, there is a button that I have to double tap to 
show the side bar where the message list is located. I’ve been into the 
settings for the Mail app and do not find a way to change this behavior. This 
seems really annoying, and I would like my sidebar back by default when I open 
the app.

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: stopping dictation

[R Van Lant]

This hits on my frustration since upgrading to  16.x.  I find that Siri no 
longer recognizes commands I've been using for years - -or it takes a couple 
tries to get it right. It's really frustrating.  I already reported to them 
that I have trouble hearing the tone that indicates Siri is listening. When I'm 
in a car or anywhere with some background noise, I cannot tell if she's started 
listening. Apple accessibility  said they forwarded my concern on, since there 
is currently no way to change those tones.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: stopping dictation

Siri is not good at recognizing :natural" speech; it often has a particular 
syntax it wants. I think Siri recognizes "dial" such and such a person. Even 
so, I've had to change names in my contacts before because even if I only have 
one Michael, Siri sometimes comes up with a short list of other names 
completely unrelated. I find that most annoying too.  

Deidre

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Thomas 
Frank
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:18 AM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Re: stopping dictation

Yes. When I ask Siri to call someone she asks”What do you want to know about 
’someone’?”  I resist the urge to say, “I want to know why you don’t understand 
me, you …” I just say “CALL someone and she does. Annoying but an easy work 
around.
Thomas Frank
vermont...@gmail.com



> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:01 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't done 
> any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor bug 
> fixes with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further 
> disappointed. I often send messages on my back up old phone that has no phone 
> service because I can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the message 
> app and it will add to them without losing the first part of the already 
> dictated message, which is what Siri now does. Losing those functions kind of 
> defeat using Siri in such a context, that is, more spontaneously without 
> having to go into the message app. Maybe it has to do with the function 
> capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 
> 
> Deidre
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
> Rash
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
> 
> Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do 
> you want to know about Tom Smith.”
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RE: stopping dictation

[R Van Lant]

I rarely use Siri to sent a text. I'm just talking about the dictation function 
on the keyboard in any text entry spot.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: stopping dictation

I just was looking at the Siri settings, under Settings, Accessibility, Siri, 
and there is a setting called: Show Apps Behind Siri, which for me is off.  I 
don't recall setting it.  I wonder if that is why there is no message shown 
because this is not on?

I don't use Siri this way to the extent others do so have not felt it to be a 
problem.

But, maybe check that setting and change it to see what impact that has.

HTH,


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: stopping dictation

Not sure what you mean that you can still add to messages outside the message 
app, if I dictate a message using Siri and it reads back the message and I want 
to add something, I can say "append" and then dictate what I want to add.
But if you mean that it seems to be no longer possible to manually edit a 
message after dictating it to Siri then I agree that this is a big pain in the 
neck.
By this I mean not dictating a message when you are in the Messages app and you 
do a 2-finger double tap or tap the dictate button, but asking Siri "Message 
John Smith.
In iOS 15 if I said "Message John Smith, Hi John, I am going to be a bit late 
for our meeting, but it shouldn't be more than 10 minutes" I could touch the 
screen near the top after Siri read back the message and I could then double 
tap once I found the message on the screen and I could review and if necessary 
correct any mistakes. That seems to be no longer possible, I have been meaning 
to ask a sighted person if they can do this, but when you use Voiceover at 
least after Siri reads back the message and asks if you want to send it you can 
check the screen anywhere and there is no message.

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deidreandlou...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: stopping dictation

Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't done 
any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor bug fixes 
with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further disappointed. I 
often send messages on my back up old phone that has no phone service because I 
can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the message app and it will add 
to them without losing the first part of the already dictated message, which is 
what Siri now does. Losing those functions kind of defeat using Siri in such a 
context, that is, more spontaneously without having to go into the message app. 
Maybe it has to do with the function capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 

Deidre
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: stopping dictation

Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do you 
want to know about Tom Smith.”

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Re: Homepod Mini alarms

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hello Sieghard,

Thanks, but that I already knew all. 
And I just learned it’s the same with Homepod: only one standard alarm tone, 
which cannot be changed except for music.

Very strange indeed.

Ronald

> Op 30 nov. 2022, om 20:06 heeft Sieghard Weitzel  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi Ronald,
>  
> You can change the alarm sound on any Google Nest speaker with a display. If 
> you have a Google Home or Nest speaker, you can't change the actual alarm 
> tone, but you can still ask Google Assistant to play a specific song, a song 
> from an artist or even just a genre and you can also set so-called character 
> alarms.
> I just tried this by saying the following:
> Hey Google, set a media alarm for 10:47 AM" (it was 10:46 so I just set the 
> alarm for the next minute to test it).
> As soon as I said this Google asked:
> And what would you like me to play?
> I said:
> Eye of the Tiger (that was given as one of the examples in the article for 
> which I am including a link below).
> Google then said:
> OK, I'll play the Eye of the Tiger for 10:47 AM
>  
> You can also say "Hey Google, set a character alarm for 7 AM" (just as an 
> example).
> Google will say "OK, 7 AM, you can pick Lego, Ninja Turtles or  Hatchimals"
> If you say Hatchimals there seems to be no further prompting, but if you say 
> "Lego" or "Ninja Turtles" you have the following options, Google will ask you 
> to pick one: 
>  
> For Lego:
> Lego Friends
> Lego City
> Lego Friends
> Lego Life
>  
> For Ninja Turtles:
> Michael Angelo
> Raphael
> Leonardo
> Donatello
> April O'Neil
>  
> Of course if you know you want Donatello, for example, you can simply say 
> "Hey Google, set a Donatello alarm for 7 AM" and Google will say "OK, your 
> aalarm with Donatello is set for 7 AM".
>  
> Here is the link to the article from Lifewire:
> How to Change the Alarm Sound on Google Home 
> 
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Ronald van Rhijn
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:33 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Homepod Mini alarms
>  
> Hi,
>  
> To all Homepod Mini users. Could you please tell me what the standard alarm 
> tone is on it? Is it the same as on iPhone the usual alarm sound?
> And is it possible to change it to another tone? I don’t mean music, that I 
> don’t need.
> I am asking this because on Google Home/Nest it isn’t possible to change the 
> alarm tone and you are stuck with the one that comes with the device.
>  
> Thanks,
> Ronald
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Re: stopping dictation

[deidre muccio]

I agree 100%. I put in my report with a long list quite some time ago. It’s the 
same with any kind of advocacy work like  grassroots City making policy issues. 
 It’s not great when the same  One or two persons are giving public comment 
versus  10   Different speakers; makes all the difference – the more the better.

Deidre


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2022, at 11:59 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> What is key in reporting issues, is that Apple receives reports from lots of 
> different people.
> Multiple reports from the same person on the same issue does nothing but take 
> up time.  If only a handful of people are reporting an issue, it could be 
> something with their particular setup so Apple won't prioritize that.
> 
> However, if lots of different people report the same issue, then it is clear 
> to them it is not an isolated issue.
> 
> Just my thoughts.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
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> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
> Robles
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
> 
> Anyway, I think Apple thinks I’m stupid maybe because they obviously cannot 
> replicate on their end in regards to Siri and dictation which I think they 
> should be able to but I think it’s hit or miss with Apple accessibility. you 
> know, priorities. but I guess if we all just keep doing what we do in regards 
> to reporting these issues, maybe they’ll get to it like someone else said in 
> the thread. Much faster hopefully. I know dictation has been really messy for 
> a very long time, but so has Siri. At least since version 16 I have version 
> 16.1.1. I went from version 15 the last iteration of version 15 to 16.1.1 and 
> that’s when I discovered issues.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:18 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Siri is not good at recognizing :natural" speech; it often has a particular 
>> syntax it wants. I think Siri recognizes "dial" such and such a person. Even 
>> so, I've had to change names in my contacts before because even if I only 
>> have one Michael, Siri sometimes comes up with a short list of other names 
>> completely unrelated. I find that most annoying too.  
>> 
>>   Deidre
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Thomas Frank
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:18 AM
>> To: VIPhone via 
>> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
>> 
>> Yes. When I ask Siri to call someone she asks”What do you want to know about 
>> ’someone’?”  I resist the urge to say, “I want to know why you don’t 
>> understand me, you …” I just say “CALL someone and she does. Annoying but an 
>> easy work around.
>> Thomas Frank
>> vermont...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:01 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't 
>>> done any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor 
>>> bug fixes with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further 
>>> disappointed. I often send messages on my back up old phone that has no 
>>> phone service because I can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the 
>>> message app and it will add to them without losing the first part of the 
>>> already dictated message, which is what Siri now does. Losing those 
>>> functions kind of defeat using Siri in such a context, that is, more 
>>> spontaneously without having to go into the message app. Maybe it has to do 
>>> with the function capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 
>>> 
>>> Deidre
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
>>> Rash
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
>>> To: Viphone 
>>> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
>>> 
>>> Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do 
>>> you want to know about Tom Smith.”
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RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Feliciano Godoy]

Gary,

In the past I used an HDMI to audio extractor by this company Cablematters. 
This device will allow you to utilize your apple tv headless (without a tv)



I bought it on Amazon, it was listed as Cablematters 4k HDMI to audio extractor 
at the time. This particular unit has HDMI input where you would connect the 
Apple TV and has optical and 3.5MM  output which can be connected to TV/ 
headphones/ Speakers for audio only.



Amazon basics also has a version, you just have to make sure it has the outputs 
you need.

Feliciano



>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Hello all,

>>

>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
>> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version 
>> which arrived last week.

>>

>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
>> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
>> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
>> sound only system.

>>

>> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
>> Friday and will report back on what happens.

>>

>>

>> Gary

>>

>>

>> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

>>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
>>> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
>>> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
>>> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these 
>>> gadgets I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, 
>>> hook it up to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has 
>>> and see if it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund 
>>> or look into whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it 
>>> work.

>>>

>>> -Original Message-

>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf

>>> Of Matthew Bullis

>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM

>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

>>> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

>>>

>>> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You 
>>> connect an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your 
>>> audio out through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or 
>>> gaming consoles don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have 
>>> them for some external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:

>>> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +...

>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

>>> Matthew

>>>

>>>

>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen 
>>> mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. 
>>> We scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not 
>>> wanted. However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out 
>>> differently, please let me know.

>>>

>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>

 On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner 
 mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net>> wrote:



 Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930



 I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just 
 trying it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.



 I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our 
 Smart TV in our living room...







 Richard, USA.

 “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch

 with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in

 the Universe



 My web site: https://www.turner42.com



 -Original Message-

 From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

 Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM

 To: viphone@googlegroups.com

 Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?



 Hi all,



 Does anyone know if the Apple TV will work if it is plugged directly into 
 a  soundbar such as one of the Sonos devices rather than into a  tv and 
 thence to a soundbar?



 I am trying to create a TV sound receiver for a small bedroom and don't 
 want a  full sized TV screen as I can't see it anyway.



 I am suspicious that the Apple TV box will complain because it can't see a 
 display device..



 Thanks



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RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Both Beam and Arc have only an HDMI input, the older Sonos Playbar and I 
believe the Playbase connected to the TV with an optical cable and I believe 
the small Sonos Ray soundbar also has an optical input.

I should get my new Apple TV 4K this week so I'll also play around with it 
hooking it up directly to our Arc, but in our case it doesn't really matter 
since I practically never watch or listen to the TV unless it's with my sighted 
wife and then of course the TV is on as well.

If a direct connection between the Apple TV and the Sonos Beam really doesn't 
work without a TV in between then the only option might be to have some sort of 
splitter which extracts the audio but then you still have to have something you 
can direct this audio stream to and unless you have another splitter on the 
Beam which allows you to hook up an optical cable from the first splitter then 
you may have to have a Sonos Port. The Port has rCA analogue inputs and outputs 
as well as a Coax digital input and output, but as long as you could get the 
audio into the Port, you could then group it with your Beam and play the audio 
from the Apple TV that way.

But it would involve a significant amount of gadgets and fiddling around and to 
me it would not be worth it.

Alternatively one could try to find out if a Sonos Amp which has an HDMI input 
could receive audio from an Apple TV if it were directly connected. Then Gary 
could put a Sonos Amp with either bookshelf speakers or in-wall or in-ceiling 
speakers into the bedroom.

I can also test this since we have a Sonos Amp and in-wall speakers in our 
bedroom so before I put my new Apple TV in its final resting place inside my 
entertainment cabinet, I could certainly hook it up to the Sonos Amp and see 
what happens. Fort hat matter, I could try this also with our older first 
generation Apple TV HD, I believe they called it the fourth generation Apple TV 
and it came out in 2015 after the Apple TV third Gen was discontinued. I 
thought we already had the first generation Apple TV 4K, but when I checked the 
model number which is A1625 and I looked it up I realized we bought it in 2015 
and it's just the apple TV HD.

I now ordered the latest Apple TV 4K with 128 Gb of RAM simply because the 
price difference to the 64 Gb is not a lot and only the 128 Gb has support for 
thread networking which is the new standard necessary for Matter support. For 
those who don't know what Matter is they can read the below article from 
9to5MAAC:



Apple drops smart-home feature from base Apple 
TV



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results



When we first got our Apple TV 3rd generation, I had to get an optical audio 
converter to get the sound to go through our then stereo receiver and not the 
TV speaker only.  This was before we got Sonos products and a Smart TV and 
stopped using the physical Apple TV.



I wonder if you need something like that to direct the audio through the 
soundbar?



Though, I don't know what inputs the Beam2 has, if it is just the HDMI port, 
then that idea may not work.



Best of luck,







Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe



My web site: https://www.turner42.com



-Original Message-

From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:28 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results



Well I  picked up a  SONOS Beam 2  last week and connected it to my APPLE TV 4K 
latest version.



I  set up the Beam and plugged it into the EARC port on my LG TV and it worked 
ok. I switched everything off and re-plugged the Beam into  the HDMI port on 
the APPLE TV using the SONOS cable which they confirmed supported EARC etc.



The results - nothing! I  couldn't get a sound out of the APPLE TV, needless to 
say as soon as I  re-plugged it into the back of my LG  TV it came alive with 
Voiceover etc so the APPLE TV was working fine.



I  have been doing some GOOGling around and found an APPLE support article 
which seemed to suggest that you could plug the APPLE TV into a sound bar to 
get DOLBY Audio sound.



When I had the APPLE TV plugged into the LG I had a look around the settings 
under video/sound but couldn't find any reference to immersive audio or DOLBY 
Audio.  The article suggested that if this was the case your surround equipment 
settings needed checking.  Presumably in this case this means the BEAM.



Any suggestions?





Thanks





Gary



On 

RE: Homepod Mini alarms

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Ronald,



You can change the alarm sound on any Google Nest speaker with a display. If 
you have a Google Home or Nest speaker, you can't change the actual alarm tone, 
but you can still ask Google Assistant to play a specific song, a song from an 
artist or even just a genre and you can also set so-called character alarms.

I just tried this by saying the following:

Hey Google, set a media alarm for 10:47 AM" (it was 10:46 so I just set the 
alarm for the next minute to test it).

As soon as I said this Google asked:

And what would you like me to play?

I said:

Eye of the Tiger (that was given as one of the examples in the article for 
which I am including a link below).

Google then said:

OK, I'll play the Eye of the Tiger for 10:47 AM



You can also say "Hey Google, set a character alarm for 7 AM" (just as an 
example).

Google will say "OK, 7 AM, you can pick Lego, Ninja Turtles or  Hatchimals"

If you say Hatchimals there seems to be no further prompting, but if you say 
"Lego" or "Ninja Turtles" you have the following options, Google will ask you 
to pick one:



For Lego:

Lego Friends

Lego City

Lego Friends

Lego Life



For Ninja Turtles:

Michael Angelo

Raphael

Leonardo

Donatello

April O'Neil



Of course if you know you want Donatello, for example, you can simply say "Hey 
Google, set a Donatello alarm for 7 AM" and Google will say "OK, your aalarm 
with Donatello is set for 7 AM".



Here is the link to the article from Lifewire:

How to Change the Alarm Sound on Google 
Home



Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ronald 
van Rhijn
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Homepod Mini alarms



Hi,



To all Homepod Mini users. Could you please tell me what the standard alarm 
tone is on it? Is it the same as on iPhone the usual alarm sound?

And is it possible to change it to another tone? I don’t mean music, that I 
don’t need.

I am asking this because on Google Home/Nest it isn’t possible to change the 
alarm tone and you are stuck with the one that comes with the device.



Thanks,

Ronald



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RE: stopping dictation

[Richard Turner]

I just was looking at the Siri settings, under Settings, Accessibility, Siri, 
and there is a setting called: Show Apps Behind Siri, which for me is off.  I 
don't recall setting it.  I wonder if that is why there is no message shown 
because this is not on?

I don't use Siri this way to the extent others do so have not felt it to be a 
problem.

But, maybe check that setting and change it to see what impact that has.

HTH,


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: stopping dictation

Not sure what you mean that you can still add to messages outside the message 
app, if I dictate a message using Siri and it reads back the message and I want 
to add something, I can say "append" and then dictate what I want to add.
But if you mean that it seems to be no longer possible to manually edit a 
message after dictating it to Siri then I agree that this is a big pain in the 
neck.
By this I mean not dictating a message when you are in the Messages app and you 
do a 2-finger double tap or tap the dictate button, but asking Siri "Message 
John Smith.
In iOS 15 if I said "Message John Smith, Hi John, I am going to be a bit late 
for our meeting, but it shouldn't be more than 10 minutes" I could touch the 
screen near the top after Siri read back the message and I could then double 
tap once I found the message on the screen and I could review and if necessary 
correct any mistakes. That seems to be no longer possible, I have been meaning 
to ask a sighted person if they can do this, but when you use Voiceover at 
least after Siri reads back the message and asks if you want to send it you can 
check the screen anywhere and there is no message.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: stopping dictation

Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't done 
any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor bug fixes 
with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further disappointed. I 
often send messages on my back up old phone that has no phone service because I 
can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the message app and it will add 
to them without losing the first part of the already dictated message, which is 
what Siri now does. Losing those functions kind of defeat using Siri in such a 
context, that is, more spontaneously without having to go into the message app. 
Maybe it has to do with the function capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 

Deidre
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: stopping dictation

Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do you 
want to know about Tom Smith.”

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RE: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

[Richard Turner]

When we first got our Apple TV 3rd generation, I had to get an optical audio 
converter to get the sound to go through our then stereo receiver and not the 
TV speaker only.  This was before we got Sonos products and a Smart TV and 
stopped using the physical Apple TV.

I wonder if you need something like that to direct the audio through the 
soundbar?

Though, I don't know what inputs the Beam2 has, if it is just the HDMI port, 
then that idea may not work.

Best of luck,



Richard, USA.
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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

Well I  picked up a  SONOS Beam 2  last week and connected it to my APPLE TV 4K 
latest version.

I  set up the Beam and plugged it into the EARC port on my LG TV and it worked 
ok. I switched everything off and re-plugged the Beam into  the HDMI port on 
the APPLE TV using the SONOS cable which they confirmed supported EARC etc.

The results - nothing! I  couldn't get a sound out of the APPLE TV, needless to 
say as soon as I  re-plugged it into the back of my LG  TV it came alive with 
Voiceover etc so the APPLE TV was working fine.

I  have been doing some GOOGling around and found an APPLE support article 
which seemed to suggest that you could plug the APPLE TV into a sound bar to 
get DOLBY Audio sound.

When I had the APPLE TV plugged into the LG I had a look around the settings 
under video/sound but couldn't find any reference to immersive audio or DOLBY 
Audio.  The article suggested that if this was the case your surround equipment 
settings needed checking.  Presumably in this case this means the BEAM.

Any suggestions?


Thanks


Gary

On 20/11/2022 22:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Yes, it would work because that is what receivers are made for just as HDMI 
> inputs on TV's are made for this.
> Anyways, I have a feeling with the secondor third generation Apple TV 4K you 
> will be able to plug it straight into a Sonos Beam or Arc, but hopefully Gary 
> will report back once he has picked up his Beam and tried it.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Ford
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>
> Hi,
>
> For what it is worth, I do have my Apple TV plugged into the HDMI port of my 
> receiver.  This is a Marantz receiver.  This works fine with the Apple device 
> and does not require my TV to be connected or on for the Apple device to 
> work.  The Apple device is the newest 4K unit.
>
>
>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
>> what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version 
>> which arrived last week.
>>
>> I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and 
>> the speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% 
>> faster than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a 
>> sound only system.
>>
>> I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
>> Friday and will report back on what happens.
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have 
>>> only HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the 
>>> audio coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, 
>>> but whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these 
>>> gadgets I would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, 
>>> hook it up to my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has 
>>> and see if it works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund 
>>> or look into whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it 
>>> work.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of Matthew Bullis
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?
>>>
>>> Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You 
>>> connect an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your 
>>> audio out through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or 
>>> gaming consoles don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have 
>>> them for some external speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
>>> ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, 

RE: stopping dictation

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You can always do a screen recording and send it to Apple to show them the 
issue.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: stopping dictation

Anyway, I think Apple thinks I’m stupid maybe because they obviously cannot 
replicate on their end in regards to Siri and dictation which I think they 
should be able to but I think it’s hit or miss with Apple accessibility. you 
know, priorities. but I guess if we all just keep doing what we do in regards 
to reporting these issues, maybe they’ll get to it like someone else said in 
the thread. Much faster hopefully. I know dictation has been really messy for a 
very long time, but so has Siri. At least since version 16 I have version 
16.1.1. I went from version 15 the last iteration of version 15 to 16.1.1 and 
that’s when I discovered issues.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:18 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Siri is not good at recognizing :natural" speech; it often has a particular 
> syntax it wants. I think Siri recognizes "dial" such and such a person. Even 
> so, I've had to change names in my contacts before because even if I only 
> have one Michael, Siri sometimes comes up with a short list of other names 
> completely unrelated. I find that most annoying too.  
> 
>Deidre
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Thomas 
> Frank
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:18 AM
> To: VIPhone via 
> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
> 
> Yes. When I ask Siri to call someone she asks”What do you want to know about 
> ’someone’?”  I resist the urge to say, “I want to know why you don’t 
> understand me, you …” I just say “CALL someone and she does. Annoying but an 
> easy work around.
> Thomas Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:01 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't 
>> done any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor 
>> bug fixes with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further 
>> disappointed. I often send messages on my back up old phone that has no 
>> phone service because I can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the 
>> message app and it will add to them without losing the first part of the 
>> already dictated message, which is what Siri now does. Losing those 
>> functions kind of defeat using Siri in such a context, that is, more 
>> spontaneously without having to go into the message app. Maybe it has to do 
>> with the function capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 
>> 
>> Deidre
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
>> Rash
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
>> To: Viphone 
>> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
>> 
>> Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do 
>> you want to know about Tom Smith.”
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RE: stopping dictation

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not sure what you mean that you can still add to messages outside the message 
app, if I dictate a message using Siri and it reads back the message and I want 
to add something, I can say "append" and then dictate what I want to add.
But if you mean that it seems to be no longer possible to manually edit a 
message after dictating it to Siri then I agree that this is a big pain in the 
neck.
By this I mean not dictating a message when you are in the Messages app and you 
do a 2-finger double tap or tap the dictate button, but asking Siri "Message 
John Smith.
In iOS 15 if I said "Message John Smith, Hi John, I am going to be a bit late 
for our meeting, but it shouldn't be more than 10 minutes" I could touch the 
screen near the top after Siri read back the message and I could then double 
tap once I found the message on the screen and I could review and if necessary 
correct any mistakes. That seems to be no longer possible, I have been meaning 
to ask a sighted person if they can do this, but when you use Voiceover at 
least after Siri reads back the message and asks if you want to send it you can 
check the screen anywhere and there is no message.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
deidreandlou...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: stopping dictation

Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't done 
any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor bug fixes 
with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further disappointed. I 
often send messages on my back up old phone that has no phone service because I 
can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the message app and it will add 
to them without losing the first part of the already dictated message, which is 
what Siri now does. Losing those functions kind of defeat using Siri in such a 
context, that is, more spontaneously without having to go into the message app. 
Maybe it has to do with the function capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 

Deidre
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: stopping dictation

Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do you 
want to know about Tom Smith.”

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Re: Apple TV without a physical screen - Results

['Gary Robinson' via VIPhone]

Well I  picked up a  SONOS Beam 2  last week and connected it to my 
APPLE TV 4K latest version.


I  set up the Beam and plugged it into the EARC port on my LG TV and it 
worked ok. I switched everything off and re-plugged the Beam into  the 
HDMI port on the APPLE TV using the SONOS cable which they confirmed 
supported EARC etc.


The results - nothing! I  couldn't get a sound out of the APPLE TV, 
needless to say as soon as I  re-plugged it into the back of my LG  TV 
it came alive with Voiceover etc so the APPLE TV was working fine.


I  have been doing some GOOGling around and found an APPLE support 
article which seemed to suggest that you could plug the APPLE TV into a  
sound bar to get DOLBY Audio sound.


When I had the APPLE TV plugged into the LG I had a look around the 
settings under video/sound but couldn't find any reference to immersive 
audio or DOLBY Audio.  The article suggested that if this was the case 
your surround equipment settings needed checking.  Presumably in this 
case this means the BEAM.


Any suggestions?


Thanks


Gary

On 20/11/2022 22:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Yes, it would work because that is what receivers are made for just as HDMI 
inputs on TV's are made for this.
Anyways, I have a feeling with the secondor third generation Apple TV 4K you 
will be able to plug it straight into a Sonos Beam or Arc, but hopefully Gary 
will report back once he has picked up his Beam and tried it.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Ford
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2022 1:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hi,

For what it is worth, I do have my Apple TV plugged into the HDMI port of my 
receiver.  This is a Marantz receiver.  This works fine with the Apple device 
and does not require my TV to be connected or on for the Apple device to work.  
The Apple device is the newest 4K unit.



On Nov 20, 2022, at 3:23 PM, 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Hello all,

Thanks for the feedback. I originally had the old Apple TV HD with its some 
what quirky remote and decided to upgrade to the very latest 4K version which 
arrived last week.

I  was so impressed with the new unit, both the well thought out remote and the 
speed of the box, I  gather the new processor in this unit is some 30% faster 
than the older 4K unit, that I decided to see if I could create a sound only 
system.

I  intend to pick up a  Sonos beam  as there are some good deals this Black 
Friday and will report back on what happens.


Gary


On 20/11/2022 21:11, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

This would not help to connect to a Sonos Beam or Arc soundbar which have only 
HDMI inputs. Maybe there is another adapter which would convert the audio 
coming from your box back to HDMI, but as I said, a lot is possible, but 
whether it is practical is another issue. Before I buy all these gadgets I 
would simply buy the latest Apple TV 4K which was just released, hook it up to 
my Sonos soundbar which from the way it sounds he already has and see if it 
works. If not he can either return the Apple TV for a refund or look into 
whatever other adapters/extractors are required to make it work.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Matthew 
Bullis
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hello, to get around this issue, I bought this several years ago. You connect 
an HDMI cable to it, and then to the Apple tv, and you send your audio out 
through the RCA jacks. It's used for those times when tvs or gaming consoles 
don’t have their own audio outputs, and you need to have them for some external 
speakers. It's about a thirty dollar item:
ViewHD Premium HDMI to HDMI +... 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBHX072?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Matthew


On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:44 PM, Joney Owen  wrote:

I asked this question when I was in a class for Apple TV a year or so ago. We 
scuffed at a bit, because they couldn’t understand why the TV was not wanted. 
However, I don’t believe it works without the TV. If you find out differently, 
please let me know.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 at 877-204-3930

I suspect the answer is that the Apple TV won't care, but short of just trying 
it, the good folks at Apple could answer your question quickly.

I don't have a physical Apple TV, I just use the app on my iPhone or our Smart 
TV in our living room...



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-Original Message-
From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple TV without a physical screen?

Hi all,

Does anyone know if 

RE: stopping dictation

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have gotten this as well, but it's very rare and typically if I then repeat 
my request to call whoever it is I want to call it will then be fine. It's the 
same when my phone is locked and I use my wired headset to ask Siri to call 
somebody, sometimes I get "You have to unlock your device first". This of 
course is nonsense so usually I just ask again and it then works. To me these 
are minor glitches, but the issue with the magic tap being relatively 
unreliable hopefully gets more attention and a fix as long as enough people 
contact Apple Accessibility about it.


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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 5:27 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: stopping dictation

Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do you 
want to know about Tom Smith.”

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Re: weird issue with spodify and voiceover

[Wendy Lin]

Well I notice a few glitches on Spotify since the update last week. I can’t 
seem to preview songs anymore so that can be an issue when we want to create 
new playlists on there in the future, how would we know if it’s the right song 
if we can’t preview it to make sure? Also adding songs to my playlists I can’t 
seem to do anymore neither. Before I was able to swipe up or down with one 
finger to get to the add to playlist button. Now It opens a new window and 
gives me the option to like the song. Very strange.

On Nov 30, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Star Gazer 
mailto:pickrellrebe...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sometimes when I’m listening to spodify, my phone goes silent, voiceover 
appears to be on but speech isn’t. Toggling speech doesn’t fix this, I have to 
turn voiceover off and then back on which is annoying to the point that I’m 
thinking of giving up on Spodify. It seems to happen during adds. I am not 
touching the phone when it happens and nobody else is either and no we don’t 
have a cat. Smiles.
Anybody have any insights?

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RE: stopping dictation

[Richard Turner]

What is key in reporting issues, is that Apple receives reports from lots of 
different people.
Multiple reports from the same person on the same issue does nothing but take 
up time.  If only a handful of people are reporting an issue, it could be 
something with their particular setup so Apple won't prioritize that.

However, if lots of different people report the same issue, then it is clear to 
them it is not an isolated issue.

Just my thoughts.


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: stopping dictation

Anyway, I think Apple thinks I’m stupid maybe because they obviously cannot 
replicate on their end in regards to Siri and dictation which I think they 
should be able to but I think it’s hit or miss with Apple accessibility. you 
know, priorities. but I guess if we all just keep doing what we do in regards 
to reporting these issues, maybe they’ll get to it like someone else said in 
the thread. Much faster hopefully. I know dictation has been really messy for a 
very long time, but so has Siri. At least since version 16 I have version 
16.1.1. I went from version 15 the last iteration of version 15 to 16.1.1 and 
that’s when I discovered issues.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:18 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Siri is not good at recognizing :natural" speech; it often has a particular 
> syntax it wants. I think Siri recognizes "dial" such and such a person. Even 
> so, I've had to change names in my contacts before because even if I only 
> have one Michael, Siri sometimes comes up with a short list of other names 
> completely unrelated. I find that most annoying too.  
> 
>Deidre
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Thomas 
> Frank
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:18 AM
> To: VIPhone via 
> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
> 
> Yes. When I ask Siri to call someone she asks”What do you want to know about 
> ’someone’?”  I resist the urge to say, “I want to know why you don’t 
> understand me, you …” I just say “CALL someone and she does. Annoying but an 
> easy work around.
> Thomas Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:01 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't 
>> done any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor 
>> bug fixes with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further 
>> disappointed. I often send messages on my back up old phone that has no 
>> phone service because I can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the 
>> message app and it will add to them without losing the first part of the 
>> already dictated message, which is what Siri now does. Losing those 
>> functions kind of defeat using Siri in such a context, that is, more 
>> spontaneously without having to go into the message app. Maybe it has to do 
>> with the function capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 
>> 
>> Deidre
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
>> Rash
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
>> To: Viphone 
>> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
>> 
>> Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do 
>> you want to know about Tom Smith.”
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Re: stopping dictation

[CHELA Robles]

Anyway, I think Apple thinks I’m stupid maybe because they obviously cannot 
replicate on their end in regards to Siri and dictation which I think they 
should be able to but I think it’s hit or miss with Apple accessibility. you 
know, priorities. but I guess if we all just keep doing what we do in regards 
to reporting these issues, maybe they’ll get to it like someone else said in 
the thread. Much faster hopefully. I know dictation has been really messy for a 
very long time, but so has Siri. At least since version 16 I have version 
16.1.1. I went from version 15 the last iteration of version 15 to 16.1.1 and 
that’s when I discovered issues.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:18 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Siri is not good at recognizing :natural" speech; it often has a particular 
> syntax it wants. I think Siri recognizes "dial" such and such a person. Even 
> so, I've had to change names in my contacts before because even if I only 
> have one Michael, Siri sometimes comes up with a short list of other names 
> completely unrelated. I find that most annoying too.  
> 
>Deidre
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Thomas 
> Frank
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:18 AM
> To: VIPhone via 
> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
> 
> Yes. When I ask Siri to call someone she asks”What do you want to know about 
> ’someone’?”  I resist the urge to say, “I want to know why you don’t 
> understand me, you …” I just say “CALL someone and she does. Annoying but an 
> easy work around.
> Thomas Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:01 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't 
>> done any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor 
>> bug fixes with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further 
>> disappointed. I often send messages on my back up old phone that has no 
>> phone service because I can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the 
>> message app and it will add to them without losing the first part of the 
>> already dictated message, which is what Siri now does. Losing those 
>> functions kind of defeat using Siri in such a context, that is, more 
>> spontaneously without having to go into the message app. Maybe it has to do 
>> with the function capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 
>> 
>> Deidre
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
>> Rash
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
>> To: Viphone 
>> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
>> 
>> Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do 
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Re: stopping dictation

[CHELA Robles]

You would figure that since Siri can actually sound like a natural voice that 
it would pick up on natural speech and yes, I have reported this numerous times 
since 16 came out to Apple accessibility and I get no response, nor anything to 
do with how to troubleshoot it and except one time where they said they 
couldn’t replicate the issue. Even my mom and dad are not sight impaired, and 
they have a hard time using it even the dictation wrapping this around back to 
the dictation subject.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:18 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Siri is not good at recognizing :natural" speech; it often has a particular 
> syntax it wants. I think Siri recognizes "dial" such and such a person. Even 
> so, I've had to change names in my contacts before because even if I only 
> have one Michael, Siri sometimes comes up with a short list of other names 
> completely unrelated. I find that most annoying too.  
> 
>Deidre
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Thomas 
> Frank
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:18 AM
> To: VIPhone via 
> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
> 
> Yes. When I ask Siri to call someone she asks”What do you want to know about 
> ’someone’?”  I resist the urge to say, “I want to know why you don’t 
> understand me, you …” I just say “CALL someone and she does. Annoying but an 
> easy work around.
> Thomas Frank
> vermont...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:01 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't 
>> done any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor 
>> bug fixes with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further 
>> disappointed. I often send messages on my back up old phone that has no 
>> phone service because I can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the 
>> message app and it will add to them without losing the first part of the 
>> already dictated message, which is what Siri now does. Losing those 
>> functions kind of defeat using Siri in such a context, that is, more 
>> spontaneously without having to go into the message app. Maybe it has to do 
>> with the function capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 
>> 
>> Deidre
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
>> Rash
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
>> To: Viphone 
>> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
>> 
>> Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do 
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RE: stopping dictation

[deidreandlouise]

Siri is not good at recognizing :natural" speech; it often has a particular 
syntax it wants. I think Siri recognizes "dial" such and such a person. Even 
so, I've had to change names in my contacts before because even if I only have 
one Michael, Siri sometimes comes up with a short list of other names 
completely unrelated. I find that most annoying too.  

Deidre

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Thomas 
Frank
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:18 AM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Re: stopping dictation

Yes. When I ask Siri to call someone she asks”What do you want to know about 
’someone’?”  I resist the urge to say, “I want to know why you don’t understand 
me, you …” I just say “CALL someone and she does. Annoying but an easy work 
around.
Thomas Frank
vermont...@gmail.com



> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:01 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't done 
> any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor bug 
> fixes with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further 
> disappointed. I often send messages on my back up old phone that has no phone 
> service because I can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the message 
> app and it will add to them without losing the first part of the already 
> dictated message, which is what Siri now does. Losing those functions kind of 
> defeat using Siri in such a context, that is, more spontaneously without 
> having to go into the message app. Maybe it has to do with the function 
> capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 
> 
> Deidre
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
> Rash
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
> 
> Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do 
> you want to know about Tom Smith.”
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Homepod Mini alarms

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi,

To all Homepod Mini users. Could you please tell me what the standard alarm 
tone is on it? Is it the same as on iPhone the usual alarm sound?
And is it possible to change it to another tone? I don’t mean music, that I 
don’t need.
I am asking this because on Google Home/Nest it isn’t possible to change the 
alarm tone and you are stuck with the one that comes with the device.

Thanks,
Ronald

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Re: stopping dictation

[Thomas Frank]

Yes. When I ask Siri to call someone she asks”What do you want to know about 
’someone’?”  I resist the urge to say, “I want to know why you don’t understand 
me, you …” I just say “CALL someone and she does. Annoying but an easy work 
around.
Thomas Frank
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> On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:01 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't done 
> any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor bug 
> fixes with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further 
> disappointed. I often send messages on my back up old phone that has no phone 
> service because I can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the message 
> app and it will add to them without losing the first part of the already 
> dictated message, which is what Siri now does. Losing those functions kind of 
> defeat using Siri in such a context, that is, more spontaneously without 
> having to go into the message app. Maybe it has to do with the function 
> capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 
> 
> Deidre
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> Rash
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> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
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> Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do 
> you want to know about Tom Smith.”
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RE: stopping dictation

[deidreandlouise]

Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't done 
any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor bug fixes 
with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further disappointed. I 
often send messages on my back up old phone that has no phone service because I 
can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the message app and it will add 
to them without losing the first part of the already dictated message, which is 
what Siri now does. Losing those functions kind of defeat using Siri in such a 
context, that is, more spontaneously without having to go into the message app. 
Maybe it has to do with the function capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 

Deidre
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: stopping dictation

Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do you 
want to know about Tom Smith.”

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RE: Vibration question revisited

[Paula Jordan]

Hi Mike and Richard.  

I found that setting which was, in fact, set to on.  It turned it off and then 
back on again.  That seems to have fixed the problem.  Thanks for the reminder. 

God bless!

Paula and the pups

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 1:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Vibration question revisited

 

Hi Paula,

 

Since I'm sending a reminder note to my self of Richard's suggestion, here's 
where Vibration is: 

 

Open Settings / Accessibility / Touch and swipe to, Vibration, and a single 
finger double tap turns it on / off.

 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

- Original Message - 

From: Paula Jordan   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 9:14 AM

Subject: Vibration question revisited

 

Hi all. I sent this message on Sunday but haven’t heard anything back. Sending 
it again hoping for an answer. It’s not a biggy, but I’d like to set vibration 
up without having the haptics. I’ve looked through settings and can’t find 
where to enable vibration. Probably a very basic question. Thanks, as always, 
for any help.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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weird issue with spodify and voiceover

[Star Gazer]

Sometimes when I'm listening to spodify, my phone goes silent, voiceover
appears to be on but speech isn't. Toggling speech doesn't fix this, I have
to turn voiceover off and then back on which is annoying to the point that
I'm thinking of giving up on Spodify. It seems to happen during adds. I am
not touching the phone when it happens and nobody else is either and no we
don't have a cat. Smiles. 

Anybody have any insights? 

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Re: stopping dictation

[Tom Rash]

Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do you 
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Re: Model number of latest iPad

[Gerardo Corripio]

iPad 10th generation recently came out I believe last month or so. Good luck!

Gera
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> El 30 nov 2022, a la(s) 6:04 a.m., Fanus Buys  escribió:
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> Hello list
> What is the latest iPad model i.e. iPad 11, iPad 12 or
> Regards
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Model number of latest iPad

[Fanus Buys]

Hello list
What is the latest iPad model i.e. iPad 11, iPad 12 or
Regards
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