Re: Eloquence doesn't take any parameter modification after upgrading.

[Evan Reese]

I have an iPhone 12, and I have been using the Eloquence voice. I was 
looking forward to trying out that bunch of new settings that I heard in 
the demo. But after upgrading to iOS 17, I go into the per voice 
settings as in the demo, but I cannot hear any changes in the voice when 
I change the Eloquence settings as it does on the demo. I can hear 
changes when I preview settings, but I don't see any way to activate them.


Does anyone know why I can't get this to work right?

Evan


On 9/19/2023 3:20 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:


Listen to this demonstration, however, I wouldn’t know to tell you if 
this option is available for your iPad:


https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/AppleVisPodcast1565.mp3

Best,

Leo Bado

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*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *matthew dyer

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:25 PM
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*Subject:* Re: Eloquence doesn't take any parameter modification after 
upgrading.


Hi,  I don’t even see the option to change the settings in vo using 
eloquence.  Am I missing something?


I am using the iPad 5th gen mini.

Matthew



On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:47 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello everyone. I upgraded to IOS 17 3 hours ago, but for some
reason after changing any value  in the voice settings, those
changes do not impact the Eloquence voice in any manner. I have
already tried restarting my iPhone S.E second generation, and
removing all the languages from the rotor, but nothing seems to
work. Any idea? This is basically the only issue that I’m having.
Any change I make, it only seems to have a real impact while I’m
still in the screen where you can modify the values.

Best,

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Watch OS 10 and switching watch faces

[khaffar]

Hi everyone:

 

Any idea how to switch faces with Watch OS 10. It use to be that a two-finger 
swipe will move to the next face. This does not seem to work with this update.

 

Thank you,

 

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RE: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

[Debbie Downey]

That is what I was afraid of; someone else on another list has the SE 2022 and 
has these issues. I bet if we got the newer phones without the home button 
especially the iPhone 13, or higher that this wouldn't be an issue but who 
knows? 

If you call the accessibility department, they don't know anything about the 
app, only the cable boxes from what it seems.

Debbie 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:04 PM
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Subject: Re: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

Hi Debbie,

I am using both an iPhone SE 2020 (no SIM for home use/app usage such as 
SiriuxXM, Spectrum Mobile, TuneIn ETC.) and also an SE 2022 which has the same 
apps and a SIM card for phone calls. (I love those home keys.)


On 9/19/2023 7:23 PM, Debbie Downey wrote:
> HI Ron,
>
> What model of iPhone do you have?
>
> I noticed this problem a few weeks ago and called Spectrum Accessibility and 
> they had no idea. WE had just gotten a new modem and they thought that there 
> was a problem so sent someone out. They did fix a problem but this had 
> nothing to do with the app. The supervisor in dispatch had an iPhone 14 and 
> turned on Voiceover and I heard the usual tabs that I used to get such as 
> guide. You no longer have the guide tab, however, I'm using an iPhone 8.
>
> I did leave feedback in the form in the app settings about this but don't 
> expect much. We ultimately got rid of the TV part of our plan anyway since 
> the price was just getting ridiculous! So, I'm wondering if you have a newer 
> phone if these problems aren't happening?
>
> I did kind of find a workaround; I swiped with 3 fingers from page to page 
> like I used to do in the guide and at least was able to find some more 
> channels but this is not acceptable. The filters didn't seem to work for me 
> even though I had them set for all channels and in numerical order.
>
> What a mess!
>
> Debbie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ron Canazzi
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 6:08 PM
> To: ViPhone List 
> Subject: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility
>
> Hi Group,
>
> i got my first iPhone in March of 2019. I installed the Spectrum Mobile App 
> for iPhone in June of 2019. The app worked perfectly and was totally 
> accessible until yesterday. The app updated and now I have difficulty 
> navigating the interface. The app opens with a group of new filters, but 
> setting and navigating this screen is almost impossible. Gone are the simple 
> 'all channels' and 'simple Favorites' navigation screen when a single swipe 
> right or left moved you up and down the screen from channel to channel and a 
> simple double tap launched the selected channel.
>
> Has anyone else noticed this or am i missing something as far as adjustments 
> or is this the new order of things with respect to the app? If so, and if 
> people want to keep using the app, I suggest you give feedback through the 
> developer website or the feed back link within the app settings.
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Braille screen input with google search?

[Lelia Struve]

Hi all, I have an iPhone 14 pro.  I do not have the 17 update.  But I noticed 
that when I do a Google search and use the braille screen input it doesn’t work 
anymore. Is anyone else havingthis problem? Thanks.   

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Re: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

[Ron Canazzi]

Hi Debbie,

I am using both an iPhone SE 2020 (no SIM for home use/app usage such as 
SiriuxXM, Spectrum Mobile, TuneIn ETC.) and also an SE 2022 which has 
the same apps and a SIM card for phone calls. (I love those home keys.)



On 9/19/2023 7:23 PM, Debbie Downey wrote:

HI Ron,

What model of iPhone do you have?

I noticed this problem a few weeks ago and called Spectrum Accessibility and 
they had no idea. WE had just gotten a new modem and they thought that there 
was a problem so sent someone out. They did fix a problem but this had nothing 
to do with the app. The supervisor in dispatch had an iPhone 14 and turned on 
Voiceover and I heard the usual tabs that I used to get such as guide. You no 
longer have the guide tab, however, I'm using an iPhone 8.

I did leave feedback in the form in the app settings about this but don't 
expect much. We ultimately got rid of the TV part of our plan anyway since the 
price was just getting ridiculous! So, I'm wondering if you have a newer phone 
if these problems aren't happening?

I did kind of find a workaround; I swiped with 3 fingers from page to page like 
I used to do in the guide and at least was able to find some more channels but 
this is not acceptable. The filters didn't seem to work for me even though I 
had them set for all channels and in numerical order.

What a mess!

Debbie

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 6:08 PM
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Subject: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

Hi Group,

i got my first iPhone in March of 2019. I installed the Spectrum Mobile App for 
iPhone in June of 2019. The app worked perfectly and was totally accessible 
until yesterday. The app updated and now I have difficulty navigating the 
interface. The app opens with a group of new filters, but setting and 
navigating this screen is almost impossible. Gone are the simple 'all channels' 
and 'simple Favorites' navigation screen when a single swipe right or left 
moved you up and down the screen from channel to channel and a simple double 
tap launched the selected channel.

Has anyone else noticed this or am i missing something as far as adjustments or 
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Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

Last year I tried Eloquence on my iPhone. It sounded like it was 
overmodulating, and lowering the volume didn't fix it. In iOS 17, this seems to 
be fixed. I'm happy about this, and am using it as my voice of choice.

Just sharing my good thing for the day.

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RE: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

[Debbie Downey]

HI Ron,

What model of iPhone do you have?

I noticed this problem a few weeks ago and called Spectrum Accessibility and 
they had no idea. WE had just gotten a new modem and they thought that there 
was a problem so sent someone out. They did fix a problem but this had nothing 
to do with the app. The supervisor in dispatch had an iPhone 14 and turned on 
Voiceover and I heard the usual tabs that I used to get such as guide. You no 
longer have the guide tab, however, I'm using an iPhone 8.

I did leave feedback in the form in the app settings about this but don't 
expect much. We ultimately got rid of the TV part of our plan anyway since the 
price was just getting ridiculous! So, I'm wondering if you have a newer phone 
if these problems aren't happening? 

I did kind of find a workaround; I swiped with 3 fingers from page to page like 
I used to do in the guide and at least was able to find some more channels but 
this is not acceptable. The filters didn't seem to work for me even though I 
had them set for all channels and in numerical order.

What a mess!

Debbie 

-Original Message-
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Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 6:08 PM
To: ViPhone List 
Subject: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

Hi Group,

i got my first iPhone in March of 2019. I installed the Spectrum Mobile App for 
iPhone in June of 2019. The app worked perfectly and was totally accessible 
until yesterday. The app updated and now I have difficulty navigating the 
interface. The app opens with a group of new filters, but setting and 
navigating this screen is almost impossible. Gone are the simple 'all channels' 
and 'simple Favorites' navigation screen when a single swipe right or left 
moved you up and down the screen from channel to channel and a simple double 
tap launched the selected channel.

Has anyone else noticed this or am i missing something as far as adjustments or 
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Finding downloaded videos on my iPad mini

[Mary Otten]

Somehow, I have managed to get a few videos on my iPad mini. This is according 
to the listing that shows up when you go into settings and then hit about. It 
tells you how many songs you have, how many apps, etc. And one of the things it 
says is that I have 12 videos. I do not want any videos, and I don’t know how 
to go about finding them so I can get rid of them. I have no videos on my 
Phone, so I’m really not at all sure how I managed to get 12 videos onto my 
iPad. Anyway, if somebody has a clue how I can find and nuke these suckers, 
that would be great.
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RE: iPhone15-Pro Case?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, titanium is a metal. I don't think they need a case or a screen protector, 
but this is a personal decision and IMHO depends on how you use your phone.

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Hi, Group.
Is titanium a metal? If yes, does iPhone15 Pro need a case and screen protector?
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iPhone15-Pro Case?

[Mohammad Fazil]

Hi, Group.
Is titanium a metal? If yes, does iPhone15 Pro need a case and screen protector?
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Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

[Ron Canazzi]

Hi Group,

i got my first iPhone in March of 2019. I installed the Spectrum Mobile 
App for iPhone in June of 2019. The app worked perfectly and was totally 
accessible until yesterday. The app updated and now I have difficulty 
navigating the interface. The app opens with a group of new filters, but 
setting and navigating this screen is almost impossible. Gone are the 
simple 'all channels' and 'simple Favorites' navigation screen when a 
single swipe right or left moved you up and down the screen from channel 
to channel and a simple double tap launched the selected channel.


Has anyone else noticed this or am i missing something as far as 
adjustments or is this the new order of things with respect to the app?  
If so, and if people want to keep using the app, I suggest you give 
feedback through the developer website or the feed back link within the 
app settings.


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Ever since i updated to ios 17 i went to my face time calls

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Every time i go to my face time calls in ios 17 i keep geting numbers next to 
each name of the person i face time
Adrians ipad

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Re: Voiceover Native Mail App Issue IOS17 Iphone 14

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Hello, yeah, that is very strange. I hope that they fix it.

> On Sep 19, 2023, at 9:18 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
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> Not sure if this will go to you, but this is a recording of me demonstrating 
> the issue I’m having.
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Re: Some issues with the iPhone 14 Pro and iOS 17

[Dana Leet]

Thank you so much for letting me know about these things. I did end up calling 
Apple Accessibility and what was happening is both of our phones were 
connecting to each other so if you ever see that and you actually have two 
iPhones, it seems like AirDrop is connecting both of the phones together for 
some reason. 

> On Sep 19, 2023, at 10:33 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I’m running iOS 17 on an iPhone 14 Pro and am having no problem seeing the 
> status bar. I would suggest restarting your phone and calling Apple 
> Accessibility if that doesn’t help.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I am running the latest version of ios 16 on an iPhone 14 Pro without a 
>> problem.  I have been using an iPhone 14 Pro since last November, and I have 
>> never had a problem accessing the status bar.
>> Typically, the dynamic island is in the top center of the screen.  The time 
>> is to the left of the dynamic island, and the cell, wi-fi, and battery level 
>> is on the right.  So as you swipe across the status bar, the dynamic island 
>> will be one of the items you cross going from one side of the status bar to 
>> the other.  The dynamic island is the center of the status bar.
>> 
>> Now, if you are running ios 17, then it possibly could be a voice over issue 
>> with ios 17.  Its not a problem with the actual phone, but could be a 
>> software issue.
>> 
>> I agree with Richard, I think it would be a good idea to call Apple 
>> Accessibility.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
 On Sep 18, 2023, at 9:04 PM, Dana Leet  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, I believe that it’s because the 14 pro has the dynamic island and 
>>> I believe the dynamic island is the problem because all it says at the top 
>>> of my phone is the name of my phone and connected no status bar whatsoever. 
>>> I have a regular 14 and it’s fine and nothing is turned on voiceover 
>>> recognition. is completely off, so the 14 is working fine, but the pro is 
>>> not.
>>> 
 On Sep 18, 2023, at 8:10 PM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 I just called a number, and after it was answered, I am able to press the 
 numbers and VO speaks the number and the tone plays just fine. Make sure 
 the phone is away from your face and that your hand isn't near the 
 proximity sensor at the top of the phone.
 I have the 13 pro, and the wifi and battery and all are there as always. 
 Did VoiceOver recognition get turned on or something. That often screws 
 things up.
 
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>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:46 PM, Dana Leet  wrote:
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> First of all. We noticed that we cannot while we are on a call press 
> touch tones and it makes absolutely no sense to us because they just do 
> not work, so how are you supposed to call banks and places like this if 
> you can’t get the touchdown to work. Secondly, on iPhone 14s at the top 
> of your phone you can’t see your battery status or your Wi-Fi status or 
> any of those things anymore so I wanted to ask if others are having this 
> problem because I see them perfectly on my regular iPhone 14. I’m about 
> ready to trade this 14 pro in for a regular 15.
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RE: Eloquence doesn't take any parameter modification after upgrading.

[leobado1982]

Listen to this demonstration, however, I wouldn’t know to tell you if this 
option is available for your iPad:

https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/AppleVisPodcast1565.mp3

 

Best,

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of matthew 
dyer
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Hi,  I don’t even see the option to change the settings in vo using eloquence.  
Am I missing something? 

 

I am using the iPad 5th gen mini.

 

Matthew

 





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Hello everyone. I upgraded to IOS 17 3 hours ago, but for some reason after 
changing any value  in the voice settings, those changes do not impact the 
Eloquence voice in any manner. I have already tried restarting my iPhone S.E 
second generation, and removing all the languages from the rotor, but nothing 
seems to work. Any idea? This is basically the only issue that I’m having. Any 
change I make, it only seems to have a real impact while I’m still in the 
screen where you can modify the values.

 

Best,

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Re: Traveling and using The Wallet App

[Alan Lemly]

I typically purchase my airline tickets using a browser and my desktop computer. I have apps for the airlines I purchase tickets from on my iPhone 13 Mini. I'll receive emails which include my itinerary as well as the 24 hour notification when it is time to fetch my boarding pass. I will go to the airline app to add those boarding passes to my wallet. I don't expect you will be able to add a pdf file of your ticket or boarding pass to your wallet. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 19, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:







How should I initiate the whole process 24 hours prior to departure? I purchased my ticket from a travel agent and he sent me a PDF file with all the info. Can I use Wallet by using info in this pdf file?
Thanks!
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App


 
As I explained, you only get a boarding pass when you check into your flight and this can only be done within 24 hours of when the flight departs.
If your flight leaves on February 29, 2024 and let's assume it leaves at 3 PM, then you can check in to your flight and obtain your boarding pass on February 28 at 3 PM or later. Once you wait until that time and check in, your boarding
 pass will be displayed at the very end of the check-in process and at that time there should be a button which allows you to add it to the wallet.
 
 


From:
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App


 
I purchased my ticket from a travel agent for the flight on 29 Feb, 2024; can I add my boarding pass to the wallet?
If yes, how can it be done, please?
Thanks!
 


From:
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On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App


 
Every app is different, but typically you only get the option to add a boarding pass to the wallet at the time you check in for your flight and that can only be done within 24 hours of your flight.
The wallet app is for things like credit/debit cards you set up for Apple Pay, loyalty cards and, in the case of travel, boarding passes etc.
I don't think you can have your actual itinerary in the wallet app, this should be easily available in the Expedia app.
I use electronic boarding passes with Air Canada all the time, but as I said, once you get the email that you can now check in for your flight, you can then add the boarding pass at the end of the check-in process and of course it is best
 if you check in on your iPhone and not on a computer; not sure if you can add boarding passes to the wallet if you are not using your iPhone to check in.
 


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Subject: Traveling and using The Wallet App


 
Good morning everyone,
 
I’m going to ask a few questions I hope aren’t dumb. Regarding this particular topic, I am just learning, and after watching some videos and reading about it, I thought I might try taking advantage.
I understand that people are able to save things such as flight itineraries, IDs, and other things in the Wallet app. Has anyone done it, and how easy is that to do?
I will be taking a trip in a couple weeks. I purchased my tickets through Expedia and thought I could save that information to my wallet app so that I can quickly access everything when it’s time to go or when I need to check in. In looking
 at options within the Expedia app, there aren’t any. In looking at what I can add to the wallet itself, there aren’t options there either.
Am I going about this whole process the wrong way? Should I maybe not bother with this app and stick with other apps or methods?
I find it so cool that many people are just showing their tickets from their phones or that they are keeping track of their trip via their phones and figured it would be a good thing for me as well.
Thoughts?
Jim
 
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Re: Eloquence doesn't take any parameter modification after upgrading.

[matthew dyer]

Hi,  I don’t even see the option to change the settings in vo using eloquence.  
Am I missing something?

I am using the iPad 5th gen mini.

Matthew


On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:47 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello everyone. I upgraded to IOS 17 3 hours ago, but for some reason after 
changing any value  in the voice settings, those changes do not impact the 
Eloquence voice in any manner. I have already tried restarting my iPhone S.E 
second generation, and removing all the languages from the rotor, but nothing 
seems to work. Any idea? This is basically the only issue that I’m having. Any 
change I make, it only seems to have a real impact while I’m still in the 
screen where you can modify the values.

Best,
Leo Bado

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RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

[Mohammad Fazil]

How should I initiate the whole process 24 hours prior to departure? I 
purchased my ticket from a travel agent and he sent me a PDF file with all the 
info. Can I use Wallet by using info in this pdf file?
Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

As I explained, you only get a boarding pass when you check into your flight 
and this can only be done within 24 hours of when the flight departs.
If your flight leaves on February 29, 2024 and let's assume it leaves at 3 PM, 
then you can check in to your flight and obtain your boarding pass on February 
28 at 3 PM or later. Once you wait until that time and check in, your boarding 
pass will be displayed at the very end of the check-in process and at that time 
there should be a button which allows you to add it to the wallet.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mohammad Fazil
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

I purchased my ticket from a travel agent for the flight on 29 Feb, 2024; can I 
add my boarding pass to the wallet?
If yes, how can it be done, please?
Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

Every app is different, but typically you only get the option to add a boarding 
pass to the wallet at the time you check in for your flight and that can only 
be done within 24 hours of your flight.
The wallet app is for things like credit/debit cards you set up for Apple Pay, 
loyalty cards and, in the case of travel, boarding passes etc.
I don't think you can have your actual itinerary in the wallet app, this should 
be easily available in the Expedia app.
I use electronic boarding passes with Air Canada all the time, but as I said, 
once you get the email that you can now check in for your flight, you can then 
add the boarding pass at the end of the check-in process and of course it is 
best if you check in on your iPhone and not on a computer; not sure if you can 
add boarding passes to the wallet if you are not using your iPhone to check in.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
portillo@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Traveling and using The Wallet App

Good morning everyone,

I’m going to ask a few questions I hope aren’t dumb. Regarding this particular 
topic, I am just learning, and after watching some videos and reading about it, 
I thought I might try taking advantage.
I understand that people are able to save things such as flight itineraries, 
IDs, and other things in the Wallet app. Has anyone done it, and how easy is 
that to do?
I will be taking a trip in a couple weeks. I purchased my tickets through 
Expedia and thought I could save that information to my wallet app so that I 
can quickly access everything when it’s time to go or when I need to check in. 
In looking at options within the Expedia app, there aren’t any. In looking at 
what I can add to the wallet itself, there aren’t options there either.
Am I going about this whole process the wrong way? Should I maybe not bother 
with this app and stick with other apps or methods?
I find it so cool that many people are just showing their tickets from their 
phones or that they are keeping track of their trip via their phones and 
figured it would be a good thing for me as well.
Thoughts?
Jim

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RE: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it

[Dennis Long]

 Complain Complain Complain   I did yesterday.  I will continue to do so.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can 
do about it

There is something you can do and that is to file this as a complaint with 
Apple Accessibility. Keep in mind that if nobody officially complains about it 
then it is unlikely anything will be done about it. If several hundred 
complaints are received then Apple may take it more serioously.


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From: '鍾 智明' via VIPhone  
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:36 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do 
about it


Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it

Apple's new notification sound is too quiet, iOS 17 and other than some 
settings in specific apps, there's no way to fix it.

By: MALCOLM OWEN
SEPTEMBER 19, 2023 11:31 AM EDT
Apple rolled out iOS 17 on Monday, complete with a long list of features and 
updates. One quiet change was the notification sound, named Rebound, which is a 
replacement for the well-known Tri-tone alert.

The problem is that it's a literal quiet change. People are complaining that it 
is not loud enough to be really useful as a notification sound.

In posts to X, formerly known as Twitter, users complain that the default 
notification tone in iOS 17 is too quiet "even at full volume."

Part of the issue is there's no way to alter the sound. There's no option 
within the various settings of iOS 17 to adjust just the notification sound to 
make it louder.

Users who prefer the sound of the Tri-tone alert are also unable to get that 
back either, as you cannot change the default sound in iOS 17.

At this stage, there's nothing that users can do except complain to Apple about 
it. It is unclear if Apple will include extra settings in an iOS 17 update that 
enables notification sounds to be altered, but if there's enough noise about 
the problem, it could become a reality in the future.

Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it 
https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/19/notifications-in-ios-17-are-too-quiet-and-theres-nothing-you-can-do-about-it


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RE: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There is something you can do and that is to file this as a complaint with 
Apple Accessibility. Keep in mind that if nobody officially complains about it 
then it is unlikely anything will be done about it. If several hundred 
complaints are received then Apple may take it more serioously.


-Original Message-
From: '鍾 智明' via VIPhone  
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:36 AM
To: viphone 
Subject: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do 
about it


Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it

Apple's new notification sound is too quiet, iOS 17 and other than some 
settings in specific apps, there's no way to fix it.

By: MALCOLM OWEN
SEPTEMBER 19, 2023 11:31 AM EDT
Apple rolled out iOS 17 on Monday, complete with a long list of features and 
updates. One quiet change was the notification sound, named Rebound, which is a 
replacement for the well-known Tri-tone alert.

The problem is that it's a literal quiet change. People are complaining that it 
is not loud enough to be really useful as a notification sound.

In posts to X, formerly known as Twitter, users complain that the default 
notification tone in iOS 17 is too quiet "even at full volume."

Part of the issue is there's no way to alter the sound. There's no option 
within the various settings of iOS 17 to adjust just the notification sound to 
make it louder.

Users who prefer the sound of the Tri-tone alert are also unable to get that 
back either, as you cannot change the default sound in iOS 17.

At this stage, there's nothing that users can do except complain to Apple about 
it. It is unclear if Apple will include extra settings in an iOS 17 update that 
enables notification sounds to be altered, but if there's enough noise about 
the problem, it could become a reality in the future.

Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it 
https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/19/notifications-in-ios-17-are-too-quiet-and-theres-nothing-you-can-do-about-it


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RE: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Same here, I assume this is a result of which voice is used; I use Siri Voice 4 
(US English)

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

For me, there are no odd characters spoken, but it also does not say "read" but 
if unread it speaks unread.


Richard, USA
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(Sent from my iPhone)


On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:52 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
I rebooted my phone. Not sure if you guys were able to get my audio 
demonstration but here it is.

Voiceover Native Mail App Issue IOS17 Iphone 
14.m4a
dropbox.com


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
I use the "Mark as Read" option all the time and have no issues with it 
reading anything in a strange way.
Maybe try and reboot your phone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

Running IOS17 on the regular 14 model, when flicking down say from a message in 
a list of messages that are not unread will give you a choice of marking it as 
read as usually does, no problem there but when I for instance say activate 
that option, voiceover, instead doesn't read it as "read" instead it sounds 
like a few Consonants like the letter R, the letter S, the letter, T, the 
letter D, for example altogether instead of the word read. Not sure if you are 
all experienceing this as well but try flicking dow on an unread message just 
for fun, and when it says mark as read, double tap and take note of how it 
sounds. It doesn’t matter what voice you use by the way I’ve used to them all 
in this test and can confirm it sounds very strange to hear, irdst at least 
this is the closest I could come to creating how it sounded to me, but anyway, 
just thought I’d let you know.
Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As I explained, you only get a boarding pass when you check into your flight 
and this can only be done within 24 hours of when the flight departs.
If your flight leaves on February 29, 2024 and let's assume it leaves at 3 PM, 
then you can check in to your flight and obtain your boarding pass on February 
28 at 3 PM or later. Once you wait until that time and check in, your boarding 
pass will be displayed at the very end of the check-in process and at that time 
there should be a button which allows you to add it to the wallet.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mohammad 
Fazil
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

I purchased my ticket from a travel agent for the flight on 29 Feb, 2024; can I 
add my boarding pass to the wallet?
If yes, how can it be done, please?
Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

Every app is different, but typically you only get the option to add a boarding 
pass to the wallet at the time you check in for your flight and that can only 
be done within 24 hours of your flight.
The wallet app is for things like credit/debit cards you set up for Apple Pay, 
loyalty cards and, in the case of travel, boarding passes etc.
I don't think you can have your actual itinerary in the wallet app, this should 
be easily available in the Expedia app.
I use electronic boarding passes with Air Canada all the time, but as I said, 
once you get the email that you can now check in for your flight, you can then 
add the boarding pass at the end of the check-in process and of course it is 
best if you check in on your iPhone and not on a computer; not sure if you can 
add boarding passes to the wallet if you are not using your iPhone to check in.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
portillo@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Traveling and using The Wallet App

Good morning everyone,

I’m going to ask a few questions I hope aren’t dumb. Regarding this particular 
topic, I am just learning, and after watching some videos and reading about it, 
I thought I might try taking advantage.
I understand that people are able to save things such as flight itineraries, 
IDs, and other things in the Wallet app. Has anyone done it, and how easy is 
that to do?
I will be taking a trip in a couple weeks. I purchased my tickets through 
Expedia and thought I could save that information to my wallet app so that I 
can quickly access everything when it’s time to go or when I need to check in. 
In looking at options within the Expedia app, there aren’t any. In looking at 
what I can add to the wallet itself, there aren’t options there either.
Am I going about this whole process the wrong way? Should I maybe not bother 
with this app and stick with other apps or methods?
I find it so cool that many people are just showing their tickets from their 
phones or that they are keeping track of their trip via their phones and 
figured it would be a good thing for me as well.
Thoughts?
Jim

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RE: Re: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You may want to try different voices, I use US English Siri Voice 4 as my main 
Voiceover voice and I don't have this issue with the Mail app when I mark an 
email as read; I just tried again wearing a headset and I hear nothing like 
what you demonstrated. First I would try and reboot the phone and if it still 
happens with certain voices then you should file it as a bug/send an email to 
Apple Accessibility about it. You already have the recording so this certainly 
will help.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jasmine 
Kotsay
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

I also have this issue. It says "rod" or something.

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner 
Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 08:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

For me, there are no odd characters spoken, but it also does not say "read" but 
if unread it speaks unread.
 

   

   Richard, USA
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   (Sent from my iPhone)
  
On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:52 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
  

  

  I rebooted my phone. Not sure if you guys were able to get my audio 
demonstration but here it is.
  


  Voiceover Native Mail App Issue IOS17 Iphone 14.m4a 

  dropbox.com 

  


   

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




I use the "Mark as Read" option all the time and have no issues with it 
reading anything in a strange way.

Maybe try and reboot your phone.



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles

Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:12 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered



Running IOS17 on the regular 14 model, when flicking down say from a message in 
a list of messages that are not unread will give you a choice of marking it as 
read as usually does, no problem there but when I for instance say activate 
that option, voiceover, instead doesn't read it as "read" instead it sounds 
like a few Consonants like the letter R, the letter S, the letter, T, the 
letter D, for example altogether instead of the word read. Not sure if you are 
all experienceing this as well but try flicking dow on an unread message just 
for fun, and when it says mark as read, double tap and take note of how it 
sounds. It doesn't matter what voice you use by the way I've used to them all 
in this test and can confirm it sounds very strange to hear, irdst at least 
this is the closest I could come to creating how it sounded to me, but anyway, 
just thought I'd let you know.

Sent from my iPhone



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RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

[CJ & AA MAY]

I have only tried once to purchase my rail ticket using Apple but the problem 
was that I didn’t know where the scanner was when I reached my destination.

Alison

use

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 3:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

 

Every app is different, but typically you only get the option to add a boarding 
pass to the wallet at the time you check in for your flight and that can only 
be done within 24 hours of your flight.

The wallet app is for things like credit/debit cards you set up for Apple Pay, 
loyalty cards and, in the case of travel, boarding passes etc.

I don't think you can have your actual itinerary in the wallet app, this should 
be easily available in the Expedia app.

I use electronic boarding passes with Air Canada all the time, but as I said, 
once you get the email that you can now check in for your flight, you can then 
add the boarding pass at the end of the check-in process and of course it is 
best if you check in on your iPhone and not on a computer; not sure if you can 
add boarding passes to the wallet if you are not using your iPhone to check in.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
portillo@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Traveling and using The Wallet App

 

Good morning everyone,

 

I’m going to ask a few questions I hope aren’t dumb. Regarding this particular 
topic, I am just learning, and after watching some videos and reading about it, 
I thought I might try taking advantage.

I understand that people are able to save things such as flight itineraries, 
IDs, and other things in the Wallet app. Has anyone done it, and how easy is 
that to do?

I will be taking a trip in a couple weeks. I purchased my tickets through 
Expedia and thought I could save that information to my wallet app so that I 
can quickly access everything when it’s time to go or when I need to check in. 
In looking at options within the Expedia app, there aren’t any. In looking at 
what I can add to the wallet itself, there aren’t options there either.

Am I going about this whole process the wrong way? Should I maybe not bother 
with this app and stick with other apps or methods?

I find it so cool that many people are just showing their tickets from their 
phones or that they are keeping track of their trip via their phones and 
figured it would be a good thing for me as well.

Thoughts?

Jim

 

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Re: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

[Wayne Merritt]

Greetings. The Mail issue mentioned earlier in this thread, was
referenced in the following AppleVis blog post about accessibility
improvements, bugs, and related items with iOS 17.
https://www.applevis.com/blog/ios-17-ipados-17-accessibility-report-voiceover-braille-low-vision-issues-improvements

Respectfully,
Wayne

On 9/19/23, Richard Turner  wrote:
> For me, there are no odd characters spoken, but it also does not say "read"
> but if unread it speaks unread.
>
>
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
> (Sent from my iPhone)
>
>> On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:52 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
>>
>> I rebooted my phone. Not sure if you guys were able to get my audio
>> demonstration but here it is.
>> 
>> Voiceover Native Mail App Issue IOS17 Iphone 14.m4a
>> dropbox.com
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> I use the "Mark as Read" option all the time and have no issues with it
>>> reading anything in a strange way.
>>> Maybe try and reboot your phone.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> CHELA Robles
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:12 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered
>>>
>>> Running IOS17 on the regular 14 model, when flicking down say from a
>>> message in a list of messages that are not unread will give you a choice
>>> of marking it as read as usually does, no problem there but when I for
>>> instance say activate that option, voiceover, instead doesn't read it as
>>> "read" instead it sounds like a few Consonants like the letter R, the
>>> letter S, the letter, T, the letter D, for example altogether instead of
>>> the word read. Not sure if you are all experienceing this as well but try
>>> flicking dow on an unread message just for fun, and when it says mark as
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RE: Re: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

[Jasmine Kotsay]

I also have this issue. It says "rod" or something.

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner 
Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 08:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

For me, there are no odd characters spoken, but it also does not say "read" but 
if unread it speaks unread.
 

   

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   (Sent from my iPhone)
  
On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:52 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:
  

  

  I rebooted my phone. Not sure if you guys were able to get my audio 
demonstration but here it is.
  


  Voiceover Native Mail App Issue IOS17 Iphone 14.m4a 

  dropbox.com 

  


   

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




I use the "Mark as Read" option all the time and have no issues with it 
reading anything in a strange way.

Maybe try and reboot your phone.



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles

Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:12 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered



Running IOS17 on the regular 14 model, when flicking down say from a message in 
a list of messages that are not unread will give you a choice of marking it as 
read as usually does, no problem there but when I for instance say activate 
that option, voiceover, instead doesn't read it as "read" instead it sounds 
like a few Consonants like the letter R, the letter S, the letter, T, the 
letter D, for example altogether instead of the word read. Not sure if you are 
all experienceing this as well but try flicking dow on an unread message just 
for fun, and when it says mark as read, double tap and take note of how it 
sounds. It doesn't matter what voice you use by the way I've used to them all 
in this test and can confirm it sounds very strange to hear, irdst at least 
this is the closest I could come to creating how it sounded to me, but anyway, 
just thought I'd let you know.

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RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

[portillo.jim]

Ah, it was boarding passes. OK. That makes sense to me.

I have a few cards in the wallet app. And now I have a better idea of how 
things could work.

Thanks, Sieghard! You’re quite a valuable resource!

Jim

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

 

Every app is different, but typically you only get the option to add a boarding 
pass to the wallet at the time you check in for your flight and that can only 
be done within 24 hours of your flight.

The wallet app is for things like credit/debit cards you set up for Apple Pay, 
loyalty cards and, in the case of travel, boarding passes etc.

I don't think you can have your actual itinerary in the wallet app, this should 
be easily available in the Expedia app.

I use electronic boarding passes with Air Canada all the time, but as I said, 
once you get the email that you can now check in for your flight, you can then 
add the boarding pass at the end of the check-in process and of course it is 
best if you check in on your iPhone and not on a computer; not sure if you can 
add boarding passes to the wallet if you are not using your iPhone to check in.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
portillo@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Traveling and using The Wallet App

 

Good morning everyone,

 

I’m going to ask a few questions I hope aren’t dumb. Regarding this particular 
topic, I am just learning, and after watching some videos and reading about it, 
I thought I might try taking advantage.

I understand that people are able to save things such as flight itineraries, 
IDs, and other things in the Wallet app. Has anyone done it, and how easy is 
that to do?

I will be taking a trip in a couple weeks. I purchased my tickets through 
Expedia and thought I could save that information to my wallet app so that I 
can quickly access everything when it’s time to go or when I need to check in. 
In looking at options within the Expedia app, there aren’t any. In looking at 
what I can add to the wallet itself, there aren’t options there either.

Am I going about this whole process the wrong way? Should I maybe not bother 
with this app and stick with other apps or methods?

I find it so cool that many people are just showing their tickets from their 
phones or that they are keeping track of their trip via their phones and 
figured it would be a good thing for me as well.

Thoughts?

Jim

 

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RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

[Mohammad Fazil]

I purchased my ticket from a travel agent for the flight on 29 Feb, 2024; can I 
add my boarding pass to the wallet?
If yes, how can it be done, please?
Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

Every app is different, but typically you only get the option to add a boarding 
pass to the wallet at the time you check in for your flight and that can only 
be done within 24 hours of your flight.
The wallet app is for things like credit/debit cards you set up for Apple Pay, 
loyalty cards and, in the case of travel, boarding passes etc.
I don't think you can have your actual itinerary in the wallet app, this should 
be easily available in the Expedia app.
I use electronic boarding passes with Air Canada all the time, but as I said, 
once you get the email that you can now check in for your flight, you can then 
add the boarding pass at the end of the check-in process and of course it is 
best if you check in on your iPhone and not on a computer; not sure if you can 
add boarding passes to the wallet if you are not using your iPhone to check in.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
portillo@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Traveling and using The Wallet App

Good morning everyone,

I’m going to ask a few questions I hope aren’t dumb. Regarding this particular 
topic, I am just learning, and after watching some videos and reading about it, 
I thought I might try taking advantage.
I understand that people are able to save things such as flight itineraries, 
IDs, and other things in the Wallet app. Has anyone done it, and how easy is 
that to do?
I will be taking a trip in a couple weeks. I purchased my tickets through 
Expedia and thought I could save that information to my wallet app so that I 
can quickly access everything when it’s time to go or when I need to check in. 
In looking at options within the Expedia app, there aren’t any. In looking at 
what I can add to the wallet itself, there aren’t options there either.
Am I going about this whole process the wrong way? Should I maybe not bother 
with this app and stick with other apps or methods?
I find it so cool that many people are just showing their tickets from their 
phones or that they are keeping track of their trip via their phones and 
figured it would be a good thing for me as well.
Thoughts?
Jim

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Re: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

[Richard Turner]

For me, there are no odd characters spoken, but it also does not say "read" but if unread it speaks unread. Richard, USA ——"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley(Sent from my iPhone)On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:52 AM, CHELA Robles  wrote:I rebooted my phone. Not sure if you guys were able to get my audio demonstration but here it is.Voiceover Native Mail App Issue IOS17 Iphone 14.m4adropbox.comSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 19, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:I use the "Mark as Read" option all the time and have no issues with it reading anything in a strange way.Maybe try and reboot your phone.-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA RoblesSent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:12 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encounteredRunning IOS17 on the regular 14 model, when flicking down say from a message in a list of messages that are not unread will give you a choice of marking it as read as usually does, no problem there but when I for instance say activate that option, voiceover, instead doesn't read it as "read" instead it sounds like a few Consonants like the letter R, the letter S, the letter, T, the letter D, for example altogether instead of the word read. Not sure if you are all experienceing this as well but try flicking dow on an unread message just for fun, and when it says mark as read, double tap and take note of how it sounds. It doesn’t matter what voice you use by the way I’ve used to them all in this test and can confirm it sounds very strange to hear, irdst at least this is the closest I could come to creating how it sounded to me, but anyway, just thought I’d let you know.Sent from my iPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/79349500-76B4-4FE6-92CC-2665CC9B0748%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56563059197397566A607653C7FAA%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.



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RE: what will IOS 17 support

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There never was an "XX" Apple simply used "X", the roman numeral for "10" in 
2017 for the 10th anniversary high-end phone that year, the iPhone X (iPhone 
10) and a year later in 2018 they released the budget iPhone XR and the two 
higher-end phones, the XS and XS Max.
In 2019 they resumed using regular numbers, e.g. iPhone 11, 11 Plus, 11 Pro and 
11 Pro Max.
In 2020 the iPhone 12, 12 Mini, 12 Pro and 12 Pro Max were released in the fall 
and the second Gen iPhone SE budget phone was released in the spring.
In 2021 it was iPhone 13, 13 Mini, 13 Pro and 13 Pro Max.
In 2022 the iPhone 14 and 14 Plus were released (no more Mini) and also 14 Pro 
and Pro Max. Again in the spring the third generation iPhone SE was released. 
For the first time only the Pro phones received Apple's latest chip, the 
regular phones had the same chip as the iPhone 13 family from the year before.
And then of course this year we have the 15 and 15 Plus as well as 15 Pro and 
15 Pro Max, again only Pro phones receive the latest A17 chip with 3 Nanometer 
architecture, regular 15 and 15 Plus get the A16 from last year's Pro phones.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support

Penny, it was originally known as the 10 xx, but lots off people only knew it 
as the xx. As you say, it works with ios 17.


On 19 Sep 2023, at 15:46, Penny Reeder  wrote:
When i purchased my current phone, it was called the XR. At some point, i’m 
assuming, it was renamed the 10, and i think this means it will accept 17 with 
no problem. It still seems to be working well (Knock on wood) and so i’m 
assuming there’s no good reason to replace it. Do others agree? Thanks. Penny
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 19, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

That is correct, 8/8 Plus will stay on iOS 16. They were released in 2017 so if 
you bought it then and have been using it for the last 6 years then you did 
well and getting an iPhone 15 Pro will be a fantastic upgrade you'll really 
enjoy.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
Outman
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support

So if I understand correctly, my current 8 Plus will not take iOS 17. Is that 
correct.
Will probably go for the 15 Pro soon.
Bill Outman

Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 14, 2023, at 9:06 AM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:

Thanks everybody.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support


In the iOS 17 press 
release,
 Apple states that the update with “new software features will be available 
this fall as a free software update for iPhone 
Xs 
and later.” The full list of supported iPhones to get iOS 17 is as follows:

  1.  iPhone 14
  2.  iPhone 14 Plus
  3.  iPhone 14 Pro
  4.  iPhone 14 Pro Max
  5.  iPhone 13
  6.  iPhone 13 mini
  7.  iPhone 13 Pro
  8.  iPhone 13 Pro Max
  9.  iPhone 12
  10. iPhone 12 mini
  11. iPhone 12 Pro
  12. iPhone 12 Pro Max
  13. iPhone 11
  14. iPhone 11 Pro
  15. iPhone 11 Pro Max
  16. iPhone XS
  17. iPhone XS Max
  18. iPhone XR
  19. iPhone SE
(2nd generation or later)







There are still 20 iPad models currently compatible with iOS 16 that are also 
compatible with iOS 17. All of these devices are listed below.
1.  iPad Air (5th generation)
2.  iPad Air (4th generation)
3.  iPad Air (3rd generation)
1.  iPad mini (6th generation)
2.  iPad mini (5th generation)
1.  iPad (10th generation)
2.  iPad (9th generation)
3.  iPad (8th generation)
4.  iPad (7th generation)
5.  iPad (6th generation)
1.  iPad Pro 11-inch (4th generation)
2.  iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd generation)
3.  iPad Pro 11-inch (2nd generation)
4.  iPad Pro 11-inch (1st generation)
1.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (6th generation)
2.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (5th generation)
3.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (4th generation)
4.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (3rd generation)
5.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (2nd generation)
1.  iPad Pro 10.5-inch


Richard, USA
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(Sent from my iPhone)




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llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
We have iphone se 3rd generation phones and I have an Ipad 8th generation.
Should I get IOS 17 support?


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Re: what will IOS 17 support

[Penny Reeder]

Thanks for the info and the great advice. Penny Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 19, 2023, at 10:58 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







The iPhone XR is pronounced iPhone 10R, the "x" simply was used by Apple back then as it is the roman numeral for "10".
And yes, the XR can run iOS 17, it was released in 2018 as the budget model at the time along with the iPhone XS and XS Max which were the higher-end models.
Anything from 2017 like the iPhone X, 8 and 8 Plus and of course earlier will not get iOS 17.
Whether you want to upgrade or not is entirely your decision, but if you are still perfectly happy with your iPhone XR then I would wait until next year when iOS 18 comes out which your iPhone XR most likely won't support.


 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support


 
When i purchased my current phone, it was called the XR. At some point, i’m assuming, it was renamed the 10, and i think this means it will accept 17 with no problem. It still seems to be working well (Knock
 on wood) and so i’m assuming there’s no good reason to replace it. Do others agree? Thanks. Penny 

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That is correct, 8/8 Plus will stay on iOS 16. They were released in 2017 so if you bought it then and have been using it for the last 6 years then you did well and getting an iPhone 15 Pro will be a fantastic upgrade you'll really enjoy.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of William Outman
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support


 
So if I understand correctly, my current 8 Plus will not take iOS 17. Is that correct. 

Will probably go for the 15 Pro soon. 


Bill Outman 


 

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On Sep 14, 2023, at 9:06 AM, 
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Thanks everybody.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support


 
In the iOS 17 press release,
 Apple states that the update with “new software features will be available this fall as a free software update for iPhone Xs and
 later.” The full list of supported iPhones to get iOS 17 is as follows:


iPhone 14
iPhone 14 Plus
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 13
iPhone 13 mini
iPhone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
iPhone 12
iPhone 12 mini
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro Max
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPhone SE
(2nd generation or later)








There are still 20 iPad models currently compatible with iOS 16 that are also compatible with iOS 17. All of these devices are listed below.

1. 
iPad Air (5th generation)

2. 
iPad Air (4th generation)

3. 
iPad Air (3rd generation)

1. 
iPad mini (6th generation)

2. 
iPad mini (5th generation)

1. 
iPad (10th generation)

2. 
iPad (9th generation)

3. 
iPad (8th generation)

4. 
iPad (7th generation)

5. 
iPad (6th generation)

1. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (4th generation)

2. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd generation)

3. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (2nd generation)

4. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (1st generation)

1. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (6th generation)

2. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (5th generation)

3. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (4th generation)

4. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (3rd generation)

5. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (2nd generation)

1. 
iPad Pro 10.5-inch
 


 


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We have iphone se 3rd generation phones and I have an Ipad 8th generation.
Should I get IOS 17 support?


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RE: what will IOS 17 support

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The iPhone XR is pronounced iPhone 10R, the "x" simply was used by Apple back 
then as it is the roman numeral for "10".
And yes, the XR can run iOS 17, it was released in 2018 as the budget model at 
the time along with the iPhone XS and XS Max which were the higher-end models.
Anything from 2017 like the iPhone X, 8 and 8 Plus and of course earlier will 
not get iOS 17.
Whether you want to upgrade or not is entirely your decision, but if you are 
still perfectly happy with your iPhone XR then I would wait until next year 
when iOS 18 comes out which your iPhone XR most likely won't support.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Penny 
Reeder
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support

When i purchased my current phone, it was called the XR. At some point, i’m 
assuming, it was renamed the 10, and i think this means it will accept 17 with 
no problem. It still seems to be working well (Knock on wood) and so i’m 
assuming there’s no good reason to replace it. Do others agree? Thanks. Penny
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 19, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

That is correct, 8/8 Plus will stay on iOS 16. They were released in 2017 so if 
you bought it then and have been using it for the last 6 years then you did 
well and getting an iPhone 15 Pro will be a fantastic upgrade you'll really 
enjoy.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
William Outman
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support

So if I understand correctly, my current 8 Plus will not take iOS 17. Is that 
correct.
Will probably go for the 15 Pro soon.
Bill Outman

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support


In the iOS 17 press 
release,
 Apple states that the update with “new software features will be available 
this fall as a free software update for iPhone 
Xs 
and later.” The full list of supported iPhones to get iOS 17 is as follows:

  1.  iPhone 14
  2.  iPhone 14 Plus
  3.  iPhone 14 Pro
  4.  iPhone 14 Pro Max
  5.  iPhone 13
  6.  iPhone 13 mini
  7.  iPhone 13 Pro
  8.  iPhone 13 Pro Max
  9.  iPhone 12
  10. iPhone 12 mini
  11. iPhone 12 Pro
  12. iPhone 12 Pro Max
  13. iPhone 11
  14. iPhone 11 Pro
  15. iPhone 11 Pro Max
  16. iPhone XS
  17. iPhone XS Max
  18. iPhone XR
  19. iPhone SE
(2nd generation or later)







There are still 20 iPad models currently compatible with iOS 16 that are also 
compatible with iOS 17. All of these devices are listed below.
1.  iPad Air (5th generation)
2.  iPad Air (4th generation)
3.  iPad Air (3rd generation)
1.  iPad mini (6th generation)
2.  iPad mini (5th generation)
1.  iPad (10th generation)
2.  iPad (9th generation)
3.  iPad (8th generation)
4.  iPad (7th generation)
5.  iPad (6th generation)
1.  iPad Pro 11-inch (4th generation)
2.  iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd generation)
3.  iPad Pro 11-inch (2nd generation)
4.  iPad Pro 11-inch (1st generation)
1.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (6th generation)
2.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (5th generation)
3.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (4th generation)
4.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (3rd generation)
5.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (2nd generation)
1.  iPad Pro 10.5-inch


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We have iphone se 3rd generation phones and I have an Ipad 8th generation.
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Re: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

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I rebooted my phone. Not sure if you guys were able to get my audio demonstration but here it is.Voiceover Native Mail App Issue IOS17 Iphone 14.m4adropbox.comSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 19, 2023, at 7:28 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:I use the "Mark as Read" option all the time and have no issues with it reading anything in a strange way.Maybe try and reboot your phone.-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA RoblesSent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:12 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encounteredRunning IOS17 on the regular 14 model, when flicking down say from a message in a list of messages that are not unread will give you a choice of marking it as read as usually does, no problem there but when I for instance say activate that option, voiceover, instead doesn't read it as "read" instead it sounds like a few Consonants like the letter R, the letter S, the letter, T, the letter D, for example altogether instead of the word read. Not sure if you are all experienceing this as well but try flicking dow on an unread message just for fun, and when it says mark as read, double tap and take note of how it sounds. It doesn’t matter what voice you use by the way I’ve used to them all in this test and can confirm it sounds very strange to hear, irdst at least this is the closest I could come to creating how it sounded to me, but anyway, just thought I’d let you know.Sent from my iPhone-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/79349500-76B4-4FE6-92CC-2665CC9B0748%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/PH7PR12MB56563059197397566A607653C7FAA%40PH7PR12MB5656.namprd12.prod.outlook.com.



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Re: what will IOS 17 support

[Alex Stone]

Penny, it was originally known as the 10 xx, but lots off people only knew it as the xx. As you say, it works with ios 17.On 19 Sep 2023, at 15:46, Penny Reeder  wrote:When i purchased my current phone, it was called the XR. At some point, i’m assuming, it was renamed the 10, and i think this means it will accept 17 with no problem. It still seems to be working well (Knock on wood) and so i’m assuming there’s no good reason to replace it. Do others agree? Thanks. Penny Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 19, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







That is correct, 8/8 Plus will stay on iOS 16. They were released in 2017 so if you bought it then and have been using it for the last 6 years then you did well and getting an iPhone 15 Pro will be a fantastic upgrade you'll really enjoy.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of William Outman
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support


 
So if I understand correctly, my current 8 Plus will not take iOS 17. Is that correct. 

Will probably go for the 15 Pro soon. 


Bill Outman 


 

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On Sep 14, 2023, at 9:06 AM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:





Thanks everybody.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support


 
In the iOS 17 press release,
 Apple states that the update with “new software features will be available this fall as a free software update for iPhone Xs and
 later.” The full list of supported iPhones to get iOS 17 is as follows:


iPhone 14
iPhone 14 Plus
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 13
iPhone 13 mini
iPhone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
iPhone 12
iPhone 12 mini
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro Max
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPhone SE
(2nd generation or later)







There are still 20 iPad models currently compatible with iOS 16 that are also compatible with iOS 17. All of these devices are listed below.

1. 
iPad Air (5th generation)

2. 
iPad Air (4th generation)

3. 
iPad Air (3rd generation)

1. 
iPad mini (6th generation)

2. 
iPad mini (5th generation)

1. 
iPad (10th generation)

2. 
iPad (9th generation)

3. 
iPad (8th generation)

4. 
iPad (7th generation)

5. 
iPad (6th generation)

1. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (4th generation)

2. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd generation)

3. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (2nd generation)

4. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (1st generation)

1. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (6th generation)

2. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (5th generation)

3. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (4th generation)

4. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (3rd generation)

5. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (2nd generation)

1. 
iPad Pro 10.5-inch
 


 


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Should I get IOS 17 support?


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RE: Traveling and using The Wallet App

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Every app is different, but typically you only get the option to add a boarding 
pass to the wallet at the time you check in for your flight and that can only 
be done within 24 hours of your flight.
The wallet app is for things like credit/debit cards you set up for Apple Pay, 
loyalty cards and, in the case of travel, boarding passes etc.
I don't think you can have your actual itinerary in the wallet app, this should 
be easily available in the Expedia app.
I use electronic boarding passes with Air Canada all the time, but as I said, 
once you get the email that you can now check in for your flight, you can then 
add the boarding pass at the end of the check-in process and of course it is 
best if you check in on your iPhone and not on a computer; not sure if you can 
add boarding passes to the wallet if you are not using your iPhone to check in.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
portillo@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Traveling and using The Wallet App

Good morning everyone,

I’m going to ask a few questions I hope aren’t dumb. Regarding this particular 
topic, I am just learning, and after watching some videos and reading about it, 
I thought I might try taking advantage.
I understand that people are able to save things such as flight itineraries, 
IDs, and other things in the Wallet app. Has anyone done it, and how easy is 
that to do?
I will be taking a trip in a couple weeks. I purchased my tickets through 
Expedia and thought I could save that information to my wallet app so that I 
can quickly access everything when it’s time to go or when I need to check in. 
In looking at options within the Expedia app, there aren’t any. In looking at 
what I can add to the wallet itself, there aren’t options there either.
Am I going about this whole process the wrong way? Should I maybe not bother 
with this app and stick with other apps or methods?
I find it so cool that many people are just showing their tickets from their 
phones or that they are keeping track of their trip via their phones and 
figured it would be a good thing for me as well.
Thoughts?
Jim

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Re: what will IOS 17 support

[Penny Reeder]

When i purchased my current phone, it was called the XR. At some point, i’m assuming, it was renamed the 10, and i think this means it will accept 17 with no problem. It still seems to be working well (Knock on wood) and so i’m assuming there’s no good reason to replace it. Do others agree? Thanks. Penny Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 19, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







That is correct, 8/8 Plus will stay on iOS 16. They were released in 2017 so if you bought it then and have been using it for the last 6 years then you did well and getting an iPhone 15 Pro will be a fantastic upgrade you'll really enjoy.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of William Outman
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support


 
So if I understand correctly, my current 8 Plus will not take iOS 17. Is that correct. 

Will probably go for the 15 Pro soon. 


Bill Outman 


 

Sent from my iPhone






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Thanks everybody.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support


 
In the iOS 17 press release,
 Apple states that the update with “new software features will be available this fall as a free software update for iPhone Xs and
 later.” The full list of supported iPhones to get iOS 17 is as follows:


iPhone 14
iPhone 14 Plus
iPhone 14 Pro
iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 13
iPhone 13 mini
iPhone 13 Pro
iPhone 13 Pro Max
iPhone 12
iPhone 12 mini
iPhone 12 Pro
iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 11
iPhone 11 Pro
iPhone 11 Pro Max
iPhone XS
iPhone XS Max
iPhone XR
iPhone SE
(2nd generation or later)







There are still 20 iPad models currently compatible with iOS 16 that are also compatible with iOS 17. All of these devices are listed below.

1. 
iPad Air (5th generation)

2. 
iPad Air (4th generation)

3. 
iPad Air (3rd generation)

1. 
iPad mini (6th generation)

2. 
iPad mini (5th generation)

1. 
iPad (10th generation)

2. 
iPad (9th generation)

3. 
iPad (8th generation)

4. 
iPad (7th generation)

5. 
iPad (6th generation)

1. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (4th generation)

2. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd generation)

3. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (2nd generation)

4. 
iPad Pro 11-inch (1st generation)

1. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (6th generation)

2. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (5th generation)

3. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (4th generation)

4. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (3rd generation)

5. 
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (2nd generation)

1. 
iPad Pro 10.5-inch
 


 


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RE: Ordering my iPhone 15 Pro

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Unfortunately nobody can tell you, but if the submit order button is not 
available you must not have provided at least one piece of information.
I just ordered the Apple Watch Ultra and I forgot to check the "No" when it 
asked if I had a trade-in device. This was of course directly through Apple, 
but I assume the process through a carrier is similar where you have to select 
which phone you want, the finish, capacity, whether you want to buy Apple Care 
or maybe the carrier has their own insurance option etc.


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Subject: Ordering my iPhone 15 Pro

Hi, list. I am trying to order my iPhone 15 Pro through the AT& T app and can’t 
get the order to submit. I think I am getting all the details correct but the 
submit order stays dimmed. 
What am I missing? 
Using my 8 Plus to submit the order. 
Bill Outman 

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Traveling and using The Wallet App

[portillo.jim]

Good morning everyone,

 

I'm going to ask a few questions I hope aren't dumb. Regarding this
particular topic, I am just learning, and after watching some videos and
reading about it, I thought I might try taking advantage.

I understand that people are able to save things such as flight itineraries,
IDs, and other things in the Wallet app. Has anyone done it, and how easy is
that to do?

I will be taking a trip in a couple weeks. I purchased my tickets through
Expedia and thought I could save that information to my wallet app so that I
can quickly access everything when it's time to go or when I need to check
in. In looking at options within the Expedia app, there aren't any. In
looking at what I can add to the wallet itself, there aren't options there
either.

Am I going about this whole process the wrong way? Should I maybe not bother
with this app and stick with other apps or methods?

I find it so cool that many people are just showing their tickets from their
phones or that they are keeping track of their trip via their phones and
figured it would be a good thing for me as well.

Thoughts?

Jim

 

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Ordering my iPhone 15 Pro

[William Outman]

Hi, list. I am trying to order my iPhone 15 Pro through the AT& T app and can’t 
get the order to submit. I think I am getting all the details correct but the 
submit order stays dimmed. 
What am I missing? 
Using my 8 Plus to submit the order. 
Bill Outman 

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RE: when

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am not entirely sure what you are asking, If you have a certain passcode for 
your device, for example 325654, then you have to enter this passcode as soon 
as  you proceed with the update. Once the update is done and the iPhone or iPad 
reboots you will have to enter that same passcode since Touch Id/Face Id only 
work once you enter your passcode once after a reboot. Upgrading your device 
will not remove or change the passcode unless you do a factory reset of 
course.I assume by 

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Subject: when

Yesterday
Yesterday when I updated to iOS 17 I had to get a new pass cod for my I pad 
when I tried to get it back I could not get it back when I go to the apple 
store will they completely reset it again?

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RE: what will IOS 17 support

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is correct, 8/8 Plus will stay on iOS 16. They were released in 2017 so if 
you bought it then and have been using it for the last 6 years then you did 
well and getting an iPhone 15 Pro will be a fantastic upgrade you'll really 
enjoy.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
Outman
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 2:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support

So if I understand correctly, my current 8 Plus will not take iOS 17. Is that 
correct.
Will probably go for the 15 Pro soon.
Bill Outman

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 14, 2023, at 9:06 AM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:

Thanks everybody.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: what will IOS 17 support


In the iOS 17 press 
release,
 Apple states that the update with “new software features will be available 
this fall as a free software update for iPhone 
Xs 
and later.” The full list of supported iPhones to get iOS 17 is as follows:

  1.  iPhone 14
  2.  iPhone 14 Plus
  3.  iPhone 14 Pro
  4.  iPhone 14 Pro Max
  5.  iPhone 13
  6.  iPhone 13 mini
  7.  iPhone 13 Pro
  8.  iPhone 13 Pro Max
  9.  iPhone 12
  10. iPhone 12 mini
  11. iPhone 12 Pro
  12. iPhone 12 Pro Max
  13. iPhone 11
  14. iPhone 11 Pro
  15. iPhone 11 Pro Max
  16. iPhone XS
  17. iPhone XS Max
  18. iPhone XR
  19. iPhone SE
(2nd generation or later)






There are still 20 iPad models currently compatible with iOS 16 that are also 
compatible with iOS 17. All of these devices are listed below.
1.  iPad Air (5th generation)
2.  iPad Air (4th generation)
3.  iPad Air (3rd generation)
1.  iPad mini (6th generation)
2.  iPad mini (5th generation)
1.  iPad (10th generation)
2.  iPad (9th generation)
3.  iPad (8th generation)
4.  iPad (7th generation)
5.  iPad (6th generation)
1.  iPad Pro 11-inch (4th generation)
2.  iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd generation)
3.  iPad Pro 11-inch (2nd generation)
4.  iPad Pro 11-inch (1st generation)
1.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (6th generation)
2.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (5th generation)
3.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (4th generation)
4.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (3rd generation)
5.  iPad Pro 12.9-inch (2nd generation)
1.  iPad Pro 10.5-inch


Richard, USA
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"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley
(Sent from my iPhone)



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We have iphone se 3rd generation phones and I have an Ipad 8th generation.
Should I get IOS 17 support?


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Re: Some issues with the iPhone 14 Pro and iOS 17

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I’m running iOS 17 on an iPhone 14 Pro and am having no problem seeing the 
status bar. I would suggest restarting your phone and calling Apple 
Accessibility if that doesn’t help.

Best,
Anna


> On Sep 19, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am running the latest version of ios 16 on an iPhone 14 Pro without a 
> problem.  I have been using an iPhone 14 Pro since last November, and I have 
> never had a problem accessing the status bar.
> Typically, the dynamic island is in the top center of the screen.  The time 
> is to the left of the dynamic island, and the cell, wi-fi, and battery level 
> is on the right.  So as you swipe across the status bar, the dynamic island 
> will be one of the items you cross going from one side of the status bar to 
> the other.  The dynamic island is the center of the status bar.
> 
> Now, if you are running ios 17, then it possibly could be a voice over issue 
> with ios 17.  Its not a problem with the actual phone, but could be a 
> software issue.
> 
> I agree with Richard, I think it would be a good idea to call Apple 
> Accessibility.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 9:04 PM, Dana Leet  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, I believe that it’s because the 14 pro has the dynamic island and I 
>> believe the dynamic island is the problem because all it says at the top of 
>> my phone is the name of my phone and connected no status bar whatsoever. I 
>> have a regular 14 and it’s fine and nothing is turned on voiceover 
>> recognition. is completely off, so the 14 is working fine, but the pro is 
>> not.
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 8:10 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just called a number, and after it was answered, I am able to press the 
>>> numbers and VO speaks the number and the tone plays just fine. Make sure 
>>> the phone is away from your face and that your hand isn't near the 
>>> proximity sensor at the top of the phone.
>>> I have the 13 pro, and the wifi and battery and all are there as always. 
>>> Did VoiceOver recognition get turned on or something. That often screws 
>>> things up.
>>> 
>>> Richard, USA
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>>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>> 
> On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:46 PM, Dana Leet  wrote:
 
 First of all. We noticed that we cannot while we are on a call press 
 touch tones and it makes absolutely no sense to us because they just do 
 not work, so how are you supposed to call banks and places like this if 
 you can’t get the touchdown to work. Secondly, on iPhone 14s at the top of 
 your phone you can’t see your battery status or your Wi-Fi status or any 
 of those things anymore so I wanted to ask if others are having this 
 problem because I see them perfectly on my regular iPhone 14. I’m about 
 ready to trade this 14 pro in for a regular 15.
 
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RE: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I use the "Mark as Read" option all the time and have no issues with it reading 
anything in a strange way.
Maybe try and reboot your phone.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 7:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

Running IOS17 on the regular 14 model, when flicking down say from a message in 
a list of messages that are not unread will give you a choice of marking it as 
read as usually does, no problem there but when I for instance say activate 
that option, voiceover, instead doesn't read it as "read" instead it sounds 
like a few Consonants like the letter R, the letter S, the letter, T, the 
letter D, for example altogether instead of the word read. Not sure if you are 
all experienceing this as well but try flicking dow on an unread message just 
for fun, and when it says mark as read, double tap and take note of how it 
sounds. It doesn’t matter what voice you use by the way I’ve used to them all 
in this test and can confirm it sounds very strange to hear, irdst at least 
this is the closest I could come to creating how it sounded to me, but anyway, 
just thought I’d let you know.
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RE: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

[Star Gazer]

I also noticed that when you share something like a web 
page the iphone suggests people like aways but in ios 16 it would give a phone 
number or email address, now it just reads names. Annoying and does anybody 
know how to fix? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
Robles
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 10:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

Running IOS17 on the regular 14 model, when flicking down say from a message in 
a list of messages that are not unread will give you a choice of marking it as 
read as usually does, no problem there but when I for instance say activate 
that option, voiceover, instead doesn't read it as "read" instead it sounds 
like a few Consonants like the letter R, the letter S, the letter, T, the 
letter D, for example altogether instead of the word read. Not sure if you are 
all experienceing this as well but try flicking dow on an unread message just 
for fun, and when it says mark as read, double tap and take note of how it 
sounds. It doesn’t matter what voice you use by the way I’ve used to them all 
in this test and can confirm it sounds very strange to hear, irdst at least 
this is the closest I could come to creating how it sounded to me, but anyway, 
just thought I’d let you know.
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RE: mute button on facetime

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It's somewhere in the middle of the screen, maybe just a little more towards 
the top; if you have a keypad you of course first have to hide it before you 
can see all the other buttons for Mute, switching camera etc.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: mute button on facetime

Hi all.  I need to occasionally mute my phone while I’m on a facetime call.  I 
can’t seem to find a mute button.  Is there one and where is it if it exists?  
Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and the pups
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Voiceover Bug with Native Mail App I encountered

[CHELA Robles]

Running IOS17 on the regular 14 model, when flicking down say from a message in 
a list of messages that are not unread will give you a choice of marking it as 
read as usually does, no problem there but when I for instance say activate 
that option, voiceover, instead doesn't read it as "read" instead it sounds 
like a few Consonants like the letter R, the letter S, the letter, T, the 
letter D, for example altogether instead of the word read. Not sure if you are 
all experienceing this as well but try flicking dow on an unread message just 
for fun, and when it says mark as read, double tap and take note of how it 
sounds. It doesn’t matter what voice you use by the way I’ve used to them all 
in this test and can confirm it sounds very strange to hear, irdst at least 
this is the closest I could come to creating how it sounded to me, but anyway, 
just thought I’d let you know.
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Re: apple Airpods

[Jonathan Cohn]

Might be worth looking to see if the information for this old TidBITS article is still available. They did battery replacements for $60.Refresh Your Old AirPods with a Podswaptidbits.comSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 19, 2023, at 9:06 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Call Apple. They ctell you how much it would cost to replace the batteries assuming you can. I'd call the main Apple number. 800-692-7753Richard, USA ——"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley(Sent from my iPhone)On Sep 19, 2023, at 5:39 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:These were a Christmas present some three years ago but recently they don't seem to be retaining battery power. Is it possible to buy new batteries for these  or do I need to replace them? If so, do I need to purchase the devices designed specifically for the iPhone (which are very costly) or can I buy cheaper versions?I do have headphones which connect via the lighting connecter but when entering text, these are painfully slow.Alison--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/003801d9eaf6%2448e853a0%24dab8fae0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DC57516D-C8DC-4585-A766-4CD0A0659940%40comcast.net.



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when

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Yesterday
Yesterday when I updated to iOS 17 I had to get a new pass cod for my I pad 
when I tried to get it back I could not get it back when I go to the apple 
store will they completely reset it again?

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Re: Some issues with the iPhone 14 Pro and iOS 17

[Chris Chaffin]

I am running the latest version of ios 16 on an iPhone 14 Pro without a 
problem.  I have been using an iPhone 14 Pro since last November, and I have 
never had a problem accessing the status bar.
Typically, the dynamic island is in the top center of the screen.  The time is 
to the left of the dynamic island, and the cell, wi-fi, and battery level is on 
the right.  So as you swipe across the status bar, the dynamic island will be 
one of the items you cross going from one side of the status bar to the other.  
The dynamic island is the center of the status bar.

Now, if you are running ios 17, then it possibly could be a voice over issue 
with ios 17.  Its not a problem with the actual phone, but could be a software 
issue.

I agree with Richard, I think it would be a good idea to call Apple 
Accessibility.

Chris


> On Sep 18, 2023, at 9:04 PM, Dana Leet  wrote:
> 
> 
> Richard, I believe that it’s because the 14 pro has the dynamic island and I 
> believe the dynamic island is the problem because all it says at the top of 
> my phone is the name of my phone and connected no status bar whatsoever. I 
> have a regular 14 and it’s fine and nothing is turned on voiceover 
> recognition. is completely off, so the 14 is working fine, but the pro is not.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2023, at 8:10 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just called a number, and after it was answered, I am able to press the 
>> numbers and VO speaks the number and the tone plays just fine. Make sure the 
>> phone is away from your face and that your hand isn't near the proximity 
>> sensor at the top of the phone.
>> I have the 13 pro, and the wifi and battery and all are there as always. Did 
>> VoiceOver recognition get turned on or something. That often screws things 
>> up.
>> 
>> Richard, USA
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>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>> 
 On Sep 18, 2023, at 4:46 PM, Dana Leet  wrote:
>>> 
>>> First of all. We noticed that we cannot while we are on a call press touch 
>>> tones and it makes absolutely no sense to us because they just do not work, 
>>> so how are you supposed to call banks and places like this if you can’t get 
>>> the touchdown to work. Secondly, on iPhone 14s at the top of your phone you 
>>> can’t see your battery status or your Wi-Fi status or any of those things 
>>> anymore so I wanted to ask if others are having this problem because I see 
>>> them perfectly on my regular iPhone 14. I’m about ready to trade this 14 
>>> pro in for a regular 15.
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Re: apple Airpods

[Richard Turner]

Call Apple. They ctell you how much it would cost to replace the batteries 
assuming you can. I'd call the main Apple number. 800-692-7753

Richard, USA 
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> On Sep 19, 2023, at 5:39 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
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> These were a Christmas present some three years ago but recently they don't 
> seem to be retaining battery power. Is it possible to buy new batteries for 
> these  or do I need to replace them? If so, do I need to purchase the devices 
> designed specifically for the iPhone (which are very costly) or can I buy 
> cheaper versions?
> I do have headphones which connect via the lighting connecter but when 
> entering text, these are painfully slow.
> Alison
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apple Airpods

[CJ & AA MAY]

These were a Christmas present some three years ago but recently they don't 
seem to be retaining battery power. Is it possible to buy new batteries for 
these  or do I need to replace them? If so, do I need to purchase the devices 
designed specifically for the iPhone (which are very costly) or can I buy 
cheaper versions?
I do have headphones which connect via the lighting connecter but when entering 
text, these are painfully slow.
Alison

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