Re: Okay, I Think I'm Addicted, to the New Apple Journalling App for iOS 17.2 or Later

[Timothy Emmons]

RICHARD, it is a part of IOS 17.2. It will appear on the home screen with yo 
apps. Mine is on page 2 of 4 for my apps. Hope this helss.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:19 PM, Richard  wrote:
> 
> How will I locate this app? Is it part of iOS? Or, in the app store? I've 
> searched through my app library without finding anything similar. I've also 
> searched the app store, also without success. Is there another name than 
> Apple Journalling app?
> 
> Will appreciate any help that can be offered.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Richard Petty
> richard.pe...@earthlink.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 8:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Okay, I Think I'm Addicted, to the New Apple Journalling App for 
> iOS 17.2 or Later
> 
> Agree 100% the app is indeed awesome! I only wish they’d integrate Spotify, 
> Netflix and other 3rd-party streaming apps, which hopefully, in due time will 
> happen.
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
>> El 24 dic 2023, a la(s) 7:39 a.m., M. Taylor  
>> escribió:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I started using the Apple Journalling app, a couple of days ago, and wow!  I
>> think I'm in love.
>> 
>> I have the app set to automatically make suggestions, based on my activity,
>> throughout the day, and boy is it thorough.  These suggestions are excellent
>> launch pads from which to compose an entry.
>> 
>> One can either type an entry or make an audio entry, kind of like an
>> officer's log frequently used throughout the Star Trek television franchise.
>> 
>> You know, many, many moons ago, when I was but a lad, I used to keep a daily
>> (almost daily) journal, in hardcopy Braille.  I think I did this for over 7
>> years and, eventually, the amount of paper grew too large to store in my
>> tiny, one bedroom apartment, so I gave it up.
>> 
>> Now fast-forward, in time, and now we have the technology to not only write
>> with a Braille display or QWERTY keyboard but to also make recordings and
>> store that precious information on a tiny handheld device.  Absolutely
>> amazing!
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That can be said for many so-called “smart” things. You can get a perfectly 
good deadbolt for your front door for $50 or something like that yet people 
including me spend $200 or $300 for a smart lock.
To each their own, our smoke alarms at my retail store connect via Zigby or 
some such thing to the Alarm.com panel I have and they are very inexpensive. I 
haven’t even checked lately if any other company apart from Nest/Google has 
something like it, but there must be something out there other than the old 
Nest ones..

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

>From one of the articles, I read, the nest, smart smoke alarms do not even 
>work with the Google home app. So you are probably wise to wait in the Sea.
And I personally wouldn't spend the money on a smart smoke detector. At least 
not until they are more common and the prices go down.


Richard, USA
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On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:13 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Right, the notification when not at home would be the most useful to me. Nest 
does make their smart smoke detector, but I’d do a bit of digging first because 
I think Google is phasing out all of the Nest stuff so there might be a 
replacement coming up.
I have 5 Dropcam Pro at my business which were originally an independent 
company and later bought by Nest and while we did get a pretty long time out of 
these cameras, I received an email a few weeks ago that they will no longer 
work starting next April. Google is phasing out the Nest app in favour of the 
Google Home app and apparently it is finally end of life for these. I also have 
some newer Nest cams and a Nest doorbell which will continue to work so I will 
have to decide if I want to stay in that ecosystem and buy whatever new cameras 
Google has at the time or if I should use this opportunity to switch to 
something like maybe the Arlo system from Netgear or Ring, there are many good 
systems out there now.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

I can think of several reasons why a wi-fi connected smoke alarm would be 
useful. You could check the status of the battery, be notified when the device 
needs to be replaced, perform an self test and get notified when the alarm goes 
off even if you aren’t at home. Obviously none of these are needed.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 1:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

No offense, but why does a smoke detector need to be accessible? They have 1 
purpose only, make a loud noise when they detect smoke.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Debbie 
April Yuille
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

Hi All

Does anyone know which Wi-Fi smoke detectors have apps that are accessible with 
Voice Over?

Cheers and happy holidays.
Debbie
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RE: Okay, I Think I'm Addicted, to the New Apple Journalling App for iOS 17.2 or Later

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is simply called Journal and if you don't have it then I assume maybe you 
have not yet updated to iOS 17.2. It is a new addition in that version and not 
resent in the original iOS 17 release nor the iOS 17.1 release.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 7:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Okay, I Think I'm Addicted, to the New Apple Journalling App for 
iOS 17.2 or Later

How will I locate this app? Is it part of iOS? Or, in the app store? I've 
searched through my app library without finding anything similar. I've also 
searched the app store, also without success. Is there another name than Apple 
Journalling app?

Will appreciate any help that can be offered.

Best,

Richard Petty
richard.pe...@earthlink.net





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Okay, I Think I'm Addicted, to the New Apple Journalling App for 
iOS 17.2 or Later

Agree 100% the app is indeed awesome! I only wish they’d integrate Spotify, 
Netflix and other 3rd-party streaming apps, which hopefully, in due time will 
happen.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 24 dic 2023, a la(s) 7:39 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I started using the Apple Journalling app, a couple of days ago, and 
> wow!  I think I'm in love.
> 
> I have the app set to automatically make suggestions, based on my 
> activity, throughout the day, and boy is it thorough.  These 
> suggestions are excellent launch pads from which to compose an entry.
> 
> One can either type an entry or make an audio entry, kind of like an 
> officer's log frequently used throughout the Star Trek television franchise.
> 
> You know, many, many moons ago, when I was but a lad, I used to keep a 
> daily (almost daily) journal, in hardcopy Braille.  I think I did this 
> for over 7 years and, eventually, the amount of paper grew too large 
> to store in my tiny, one bedroom apartment, so I gave it up.
> 
> Now fast-forward, in time, and now we have the technology to not only 
> write with a Braille display or QWERTY keyboard but to also make 
> recordings and store that precious information on a tiny handheld 
> device.  Absolutely amazing!
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to them 
it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep focus is 
on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

I agree.
I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
have to add an extra gesture to function.
And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others 
say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and 
tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep 
focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have 
tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably 
works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap 
when sleep focus is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to 
feel a haptic version of the time.

When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel 
minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, 
I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/







On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.




On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM 

RE: Okay, I Think I'm Addicted, to the New Apple Journalling App for iOS 17.2 or Later

[Richard]

How will I locate this app? Is it part of iOS? Or, in the app store? I've 
searched through my app library without finding anything similar. I've also 
searched the app store, also without success. Is there another name than Apple 
Journalling app?

Will appreciate any help that can be offered.

Best,

Richard Petty
richard.pe...@earthlink.net





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo 
Corripio
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Okay, I Think I'm Addicted, to the New Apple Journalling App for 
iOS 17.2 or Later

Agree 100% the app is indeed awesome! I only wish they’d integrate Spotify, 
Netflix and other 3rd-party streaming apps, which hopefully, in due time will 
happen.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 24 dic 2023, a la(s) 7:39 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I started using the Apple Journalling app, a couple of days ago, and wow!  I
> think I'm in love.
> 
> I have the app set to automatically make suggestions, based on my activity,
> throughout the day, and boy is it thorough.  These suggestions are excellent
> launch pads from which to compose an entry.
> 
> One can either type an entry or make an audio entry, kind of like an
> officer's log frequently used throughout the Star Trek television franchise.
> 
> You know, many, many moons ago, when I was but a lad, I used to keep a daily
> (almost daily) journal, in hardcopy Braille.  I think I did this for over 7
> years and, eventually, the amount of paper grew too large to store in my
> tiny, one bedroom apartment, so I gave it up.
> 
> Now fast-forward, in time, and now we have the technology to not only write
> with a Braille display or QWERTY keyboard but to also make recordings and
> store that precious information on a tiny handheld device.  Absolutely
> amazing!
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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Re: downloading a new app on the iPhone

[Jody ianuzzi]

Yes the text in the text field is very confusing. If you don't listen to the whole thing you won't realize that it's actually a text fieldJODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn Dec 24, 2023, at 1:08 PM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:Thanks for this and you are right, it was the wording that had confused me in not realising it was the text field where you could enter your search term.Alison  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jody ianuzziSent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 2:32 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: downloading a new app on the iPhone You can search for an app by asking Siri to find it in the App Store or you can open the App Store app then go to the lower right hand corner where it says search and do a one finger double tap then go to the top of the page and find the edit field which is a little deceptive because it will say games apps and stories and more. At first you don't realize this is a text field but that's where you wanna do a one finger double tap to open the text field and then type in the app that you were looking forJODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn Dec 24, 2023, at 7:37 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:I don’t very often download apps but am struggling at the moment.I want to download the new version of Soundscape but am struggling to find the text box where I can write what I am looking for. Alison  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 10:28 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: downloading a new app on the iPhone I search the app store. When I finthese app, I double tap on get. Confirm that I want it by double tapping the side button and it downloads. Make sure you don't have your phone set to download to the app library instead of the home screen.  Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 23, 2023, at 1:43 PM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:Recently I am having a real struggle downloading new apps on the iPHone. How do others go about it?Alison -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/002401da35e9%2411f85370%2435e8fa50%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/1161B421-8BAF-4F5B-BA95-C21A54BEB537%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To 

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[Earle]

I have the latest version of Watch OS, and I have an Apple Watch Ultra. Haptic time is very consistent for me. I would say it works 9 times out of 10. So I really can't complain about that.EarleSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 24, 2023, at 1:32 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I agree.I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function.And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say
 they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now
 over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 

 


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.


 


When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


 



 


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 












On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




 
It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 
It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.








On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two 

Re: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

[Richard Turner]

From one of the articles, I read, the nest, smart smoke alarms do not even work with the Google home app. So you are probably wise to wait in the Sea.And I personally wouldn't spend the money on a smart smoke detector. At least not until they are more common and the prices go down.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:13 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Right, the notification when not at home would be the most useful to me. Nest does make their smart smoke detector, but I’d do a bit of digging first because I think Google is phasing out all of the Nest stuff so there might be a replacement
 coming up.
I have 5 Dropcam Pro at my business which were originally an independent company and later bought by Nest and while we did get a pretty long time out of these cameras, I received an email a few weeks ago that they will no longer work starting
 next April. Google is phasing out the Nest app in favour of the Google Home app and apparently it is finally end of life for these. I also have some newer Nest cams and a Nest doorbell which will continue to work so I will have to decide if I want to stay
 in that ecosystem and buy whatever new cameras Google has at the time or if I should use this opportunity to switch to something like maybe the Arlo system from Netgear or Ring, there are many good systems out there now.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors


 
I can think of several reasons why a wi-fi connected smoke alarm would be useful. You could check the status of the battery, be notified when the device needs to be replaced, perform
 an self test and get notified when the alarm goes off even if you aren’t at home. Obviously none of these are needed.
 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 1:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors


 
No offense, but why does a smoke detector need to be accessible? They have 1 purpose only, make a loud noise when they detect smoke.
 


From:
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On Behalf Of Debbie April Yuille
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors


 
Hi All
 
Does anyone know which Wi-Fi smoke detectors have apps that are accessible with Voice Over?
 
Cheers and happy holidays.
Debbie
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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[Richard Turner]

I agree.I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function.And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say
 they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now
 over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 

 


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.


 


When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


 



 


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 












On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




 
It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 
It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.








On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours
 and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I 

Re: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

[joseph hudson]

Well, I would like the comfort of being able to turn it off from my phone, 
instead of having to reach up into the ceiling to cut it off that way.
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> On Dec 24, 2023, at 1:05 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> No offense, but why does a smoke detector need to be accessible? They have 1 
> purpose only, make a loud noise when they detect smoke.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
> April Yuille
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 8:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors
>  
> Hi All
>  
> Does anyone know which Wi-Fi smoke detectors have apps that are accessible 
> with Voice Over?
>  
> Cheers and happy holidays.
> Debbie
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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others 
say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and 
tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep 
focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have 
tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably 
works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap 
when sleep focus is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to 
feel a haptic version of the time.

When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel 
minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, 
I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.



On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Right, the notification when not at home would be the most useful to me. Nest 
does make their smart smoke detector, but I’d do a bit of digging first because 
I think Google is phasing out all of the Nest stuff so there might be a 
replacement coming up.
I have 5 Dropcam Pro at my business which were originally an independent 
company and later bought by Nest and while we did get a pretty long time out of 
these cameras, I received an email a few weeks ago that they will no longer 
work starting next April. Google is phasing out the Nest app in favour of the 
Google Home app and apparently it is finally end of life for these. I also have 
some newer Nest cams and a Nest doorbell which will continue to work so I will 
have to decide if I want to stay in that ecosystem and buy whatever new cameras 
Google has at the time or if I should use this opportunity to switch to 
something like maybe the Arlo system from Netgear or Ring, there are many good 
systems out there now.


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Subject: RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

I can think of several reasons why a wi-fi connected smoke alarm would be 
useful. You could check the status of the battery, be notified when the device 
needs to be replaced, perform an self test and get notified when the alarm goes 
off even if you aren’t at home. Obviously none of these are needed.

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Weitzel
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No offense, but why does a smoke detector need to be accessible? They have 1 
purpose only, make a loud noise when they detect smoke.

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April Yuille
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Hi All

Does anyone know which Wi-Fi smoke detectors have apps that are accessible with 
Voice Over?

Cheers and happy holidays.
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RE: downloading a new app on the iPhone

[CJ & AA MAY]

Thanks for this and you are right, it was the wording that had confused me in 
not realising it was the text field where you could enter your search term.

Alison

 

 

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You can search for an app by asking Siri to find it in the App Store or you can 
open the App Store app then go to the lower right hand corner where it says 
search and do a one finger double tap then go to the top of the page and find 
the edit field which is a little deceptive because it will say games apps and 
stories and more. At first you don't realize this is a text field but that's 
where you wanna do a one finger double tap to open the text field and then type 
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I don’t very often download apps but am struggling at the moment.

I want to download the new version of Soundscape but am struggling to find the 
text box where I can write what I am looking for. 

Alison

 

 

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I search the app store. When I finthese app, I double tap on get. Confirm that 
I want it by double tapping the side button and it downloads. Make sure you 
don't have your phone set to download to the app library instead of the home 
screen. 

 

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Recently I am having a real struggle downloading new apps on the iPHone. How do 
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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[Richard Turner]

When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 
It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.







On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours
 and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a triple tap.


 


I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should definitely be something they take a closer look at.


 


I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I assume
 this could also have something to do with it.


 


Best regards,


Sieghard


 


 

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RE: iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or Mac

[Sieghard Weitzel]

But that would only be the folder for photos since Apple does not give access 
to anything else unless maybe your iCloud folder, but you can access that by 
installing iCloud Control Panel.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
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I downloaded it to my Windows 7 computer and installed it, but I don't keep 
anything on my phone so there's nothing to transfer, except for my CoVid 
vaccination card picture.

I haven't been able to access my iPhone from my Windows7 computer for quite a 
while now, but installing this program put my iPhone into my list of drives and 
I could open the Internal Storage folder and subfolders.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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And have you confirmed as to whether it is accessible?

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Hi All,

I heard about the iMazing app on a radio tech show today and it sounds pretty 
good.  Have a look for yourselves.


https://imazing.com/

iMazing | iPhone, iPad & iPod Manager for Mac & PC

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iMazing is the world’s most trusted software to transfer and save your 
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Gain powerful backup, data extraction, media, and file transfer capabilities, 
and much more with iMazing.


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Re: Apple Watch Ultra 2

[Richard Turner]

When I had that turned on, on my series 6, I think it reminded me at 10 minutes 
before the hour.
I don't know if that is customizable.


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> On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> If you have stand reminders enabled it should just remind you although I 
> don't know if it's necessary on the hour. If you had been standing/walking 
> around at say 9:45 AM then I doubt it would remind you 15 minutes later at 10 
> AM that you have to stand again.
> I do have it on, but rarely get the notification because during a normal work 
> day it is not often that I sit for more than an hour at a time.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wren 
> Langley
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> 
> Hi All, and thank you for the help. Does anyone know if there is a way to get 
> Apple Watch altar two to announce when it is time for you to stand on the 
> hour. Thank you and any help would be appreciated.
> 
> God bless,
> Wren Langley.
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RE: Apple Watch Ultra 2

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you have stand reminders enabled it should just remind you although I don't 
know if it's necessary on the hour. If you had been standing/walking around at 
say 9:45 AM then I doubt it would remind you 15 minutes later at 10 AM that you 
have to stand again.
I do have it on, but rarely get the notification because during a normal work 
day it is not often that I sit for more than an hour at a time.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wren 
Langley
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi All, and thank you for the help. Does anyone know if there is a way to get 
Apple Watch altar two to announce when it is time for you to stand on the hour. 
Thank you and any help would be appreciated.

God bless,
Wren Langley.
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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.


On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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RE: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

[chrisjudge1967]

Hi. It sounds like you are on the screen where you have to either register as a 
blind user or sighted volunteer. Choose the first option and either create a 
free account or sign in with a service such as apple or google. Once you have 
completed the sign up process you should be taken to the main screen.

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

Hello Richard and Everyone,

I was going to start a new thread but decided to ask my questions here:

After hearing so many wonderful comments regarding Be My Eyes, along with the 
description you just posted about how the app can describe something without 
human intervention, I decided to download it and give it a try.

Did I miss something?  When I launch the app, I only see, no pun intended, 2 
options (1), I need visual assistance, call company or volunteer and (2), I’d 
like to volunteer, share your sight.

I was hoping to use the app’s AI image description, only, at this point.

How does one activate that feature?

The app store indicates that there are in-app purchases but, even after 
exploring the website, I cannot determine what the various fees are for and how 
they work. For example, in the app store there seems to be a purchase for 
$19.95.  What does this particular fee cover?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 12:48 PM
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Subject: Comparison between Envision AI and Be My Eyes AI descriptions

I just updated Envision AI and it mentioned something about improved 
descriptions. 
I took a picture and it said, "I'm not sure but it could be a room with a tv on 
a table." 
I did the same scene with Be My Eyes AI and got the following. 

The picture shows a living room with a cozy and homely atmosphere. On the left, 
there is a wooden rocking chair with a black jacket draped over it. In the 
center, a flat-screen TV is placed on a wooden stand, and beneath the stand, 
there appears to be a cable box or DVD player. To the right of the TV, there's 
a lamp with a classic design on a small table. Behind the TV, a window with 
white curtains allows natural light to enter the room. On the right side of the 
image, a decorated Christmas tree is partially visible, suggesting the photo 
was taken during the holiday season. The walls are painted in a light color, 
and there is a large, framed artwork of a Christmas tree above the rocking 
chair. The floor is wooden, and in the foreground, a corner of a quilt with a 
patchwork design can be seen, indicating the viewer might be sitting on a couch 
or bed covered with this quilt.

Image description provided with Be My Eyes.


Richard, USA
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Re: iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or Mac

[Mike B.]

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From: Diana Brent
To: idevi...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [iDevices] iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or 
Mac


We have it and use it all the time to transfer beg iPhone and PC. It works 
great. We haven’t had to use iTunes forever.


Diana Brent

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or Mac


As far as I recall, being able to see the phone as a drive only allows you 
to save your photos off the phone onto a PC.
It doesn't back up anything else simply from that drive listing.
I've not used that app so I'm not sure if it has a way to pull off your 
installed apps and do all that stuff for back up along with the content.




Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get 
 it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth



My web site: https://www.turner42.com/







  On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:21 AM, Mike B.  wrote:


  
  I downloaded it to my Windows 7 computer and installed it, but I don't 
keep anything on my phone so there's nothing to transfer, except for my 
CoVid vaccination card picture.

  I haven't been able to access my iPhone from my Windows7 computer for 
quite a while now, but installing this program put my iPhone into my list of 
drives and I could open the Internal Storage folder and subfolders.

  Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:01 PM
  Subject: RE: iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or Mac


  And have you confirmed as to whether it is accessible?



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Mike B.
  Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 2:25 PM
  To: VIPhone 
  Subject: iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or Mac



  Hi All,



  I heard about the iMazing app on a radio tech show today and it sounds 
pretty good.  Have a look for yourselves.





  https://imazing.com/



  iMazing | iPhone, iPad & iPod Manager for Mac & PC



  iMazing
  Manage your iPhone.  On your terms.



  iMazing is the world’s most trusted software to transfer and save your 
messages, music, files and data from your iPhone or iPad to your Mac or PC.



  Gain powerful backup, data extraction, media, and file transfer 
capabilities, and much more with iMazing.





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Re: iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or Mac

[Richard Turner]

As far as I recall, being able to see the phone as a drive only allows you to save your photos off the phone onto a PC.It doesn't back up anything else simply from that drive listing.I've not used that app so I'm not sure if it has a way to pull off your installed apps and do all that stuff for back up along with the content.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:21 AM, Mike B.  wrote:






I downloaded it to my Windows 7 computer and 
installed it, but I don't keep anything on my phone so there's nothing to 
transfer, except for my CoVid vaccination card picture.
 
I haven't been able to access my iPhone from 
my Windows7 computer for quite a while now, but installing this program put my 
iPhone into my list of drives and I could open the Internal Storage folder and 
subfolders.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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From: Sieghard Weitzel 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or 
Mac


And have you confirmed as to whether it is 
accessible?
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mike B.Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 2:25 
PMTo: VIPhone Subject: 
iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or Mac
 

Hi 
All,

 

I 
heard about the iMazing app on a radio tech show today and it sounds pretty 
good.  Have a look for yourselves.

 

 

https://imazing.com/

 

iMazing | iPhone, iPad 
& iPod Manager for Mac & PC

 

iMazingManage your 
iPhone.  On your terms.

 

iMazing is the world’s 
most trusted software to transfer and save your messages, music, files and data 
from your iPhone or iPad to your Mac or PC.

 

Gain powerful backup, data 
extraction, media, and file transfer capabilities, and much more with iMazing. 


 

 

Take care.  
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Re: iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or Mac

[Mike B.]

I downloaded it to my Windows 7 computer and installed it, but I don't keep 
anything on my phone so there's nothing to transfer, except for my CoVid 
vaccination card picture.

I haven't been able to access my iPhone from my Windows7 computer for quite 
a while now, but installing this program put my iPhone into my list of 
drives and I could open the Internal Storage folder and subfolders.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

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From: Sieghard Weitzel
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or Mac


And have you confirmed as to whether it is accessible?



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B.
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 2:25 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: iMazing App for Backing Up Your iPhone to a PC or Mac



Hi All,



I heard about the iMazing app on a radio tech show today and it sounds 
pretty good.  Have a look for yourselves.





https://imazing.com/



iMazing | iPhone, iPad & iPod Manager for Mac & PC



iMazing
Manage your iPhone.  On your terms.



iMazing is the world’s most trusted software to transfer and save your 
messages, music, files and data from your iPhone or iPad to your Mac or PC.



Gain powerful backup, data extraction, media, and file transfer 
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Apple Watch Ultra 2

[Wren Langley]

Hi All, and thank you for the help. Does anyone know if there is a way to get 
Apple Watch altar two to announce when it is time for you to stand on the hour. 
Thank you and any help would be appreciated.

God bless,
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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[Christopher Chaltain]

The three and four taps work pretty reliably for me whether I have sleep mode 
on or not. I have an SE, and I do have sleep when wrist down set to on.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 7:01 AM
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It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.


On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

[Christopher Chaltain]

I can think of several reasons why a wi-fi connected smoke alarm would be 
useful. You could check the status of the battery, be notified when the device 
needs to be replaced, perform an self test and get notified when the alarm goes 
off even if you aren’t at home. Obviously none of these are needed.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 1:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

No offense, but why does a smoke detector need to be accessible? They have 1 
purpose only, make a loud noise when they detect smoke.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Debbie 
April Yuille
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

Hi All

Does anyone know which Wi-Fi smoke detectors have apps that are accessible with 
Voice Over?

Cheers and happy holidays.
Debbie
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Re: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

[Richard Turner]

I was curious, so I did a web search for Wi-Fi smoke detectors and f∀ a few 
reviews that pointed out that their are not very many, and that if you are not 
at home, it can send a message to your phone ... and some have the ability to 
put one in each room and then it can even alert you to which room the fire has 
started. These sound very expensive. Some can be hard wired or have a ten year 
battery. Weather the app will be accessible is anyone's guess. That is a 
question for the manufacturer. 

Richard, USA
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> On Dec 24, 2023, at 5:21 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Debbie,
> 
> You ask an interesting question.
> 
> I’m not certain why you would want a smoke detector that has an accompanying 
> app but I can tell you that Home Depot and Lowe’s sell smoke detectives that 
> have voice responses built-in.
> 
> I have several throughout my home as I add more and mor as the older ones 
> expire.
> 
> These models have user replaceable batteries and there is a test button on 
> the unit that, when pressed, causes the unit to speak in a very loud and 
> clear voice that tells you if the unit is in good working order.  When the 
> battery is low, the unit will automatically repeatedly announce that the 
> battery is low.  Finally, and I hope you never need this, when smoke is 
> detected, the unit makes a low loud noise and repeatedly says that smoke has 
> been detected.
> 
> I absolutely love these models as the cost, per unit, is more than reasonable 
> given the accessibility of the unit.  I think the last one I installed costs 
> around $20.
> 
> Oh, and they have models that can be wired directly into the electricity 
> system of the house, also.
> 
> A quick Amazon search will result in several different models being displayed 
> but, as I said, for me, I just go over to my local big box home goods store 
> and buy them as needed.
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
> April Yuille
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 8:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Does anyone know which Wi-Fi smoke detectors have apps that are accessible 
> with Voice Over?
> 
> Cheers and happy holidays.
> Debbie
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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[Nicola Sanders]

Hi all,
I have a Series 7 Apple Watch (41 mm). I am still running Watch OS 9, as I 
gathered that there were some bugs with version 10.
I use Taptic Time frequently, and pretty consistently. I also have Sleep Focus 
enabled, but in my case this does not alter the number of taps required: 
regardless of the time, I always do a one-finger double tap for hours and 
minutes, and a one-finger triple tap for just minutes.
If I want the watch to remain silent, I turn speech off using a three-finger 
double tap, the same gesture as on the phone. Haptic Time works fine when 
speech is turned off. My watch is not an SE, by the way, it's the standard 
model. I hope this is helpful.
Best,
Nicky

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Dec 2023, at 13:24, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> This is wonderful feedback, my friend.  Thank you for posting.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
> 
> A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
> again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas 
> others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.
> 
> On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good 
> consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. 
> First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the 
> email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture 
> exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any 
> exceptions:
> 
> Hello Sieghard,
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
> perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
> and managed to get the same results.
> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
> appropriate teams for further investigation.
> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
> article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585
> 
> The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
> tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
> start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced 
> this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all 
> is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 
> PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple 
> tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a 
> quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the 
> minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get 
> just minutes after a triple tap.
> 
> I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
> the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
> definitely be something they take a closer look at.
> 
> I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
> tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
> always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
> assume this could also have something to do with it.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
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Re: Okay, I Think I'm Addicted, to the New Apple Journalling App for iOS 17.2 or Later

[Gerardo Corripio]

Agree 100% the app is indeed awesome! I only wish they’d integrate Spotify, 
Netflix and other 3rd-party streaming apps, which hopefully, in due time will 
happen.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 24 dic 2023, a la(s) 7:39 a.m., M. Taylor  escribió:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I started using the Apple Journalling app, a couple of days ago, and wow!  I
> think I'm in love.
> 
> I have the app set to automatically make suggestions, based on my activity,
> throughout the day, and boy is it thorough.  These suggestions are excellent
> launch pads from which to compose an entry.
> 
> One can either type an entry or make an audio entry, kind of like an
> officer's log frequently used throughout the Star Trek television franchise.
> 
> You know, many, many moons ago, when I was but a lad, I used to keep a daily
> (almost daily) journal, in hardcopy Braille.  I think I did this for over 7
> years and, eventually, the amount of paper grew too large to store in my
> tiny, one bedroom apartment, so I gave it up.
> 
> Now fast-forward, in time, and now we have the technology to not only write
> with a Braille display or QWERTY keyboard but to also make recordings and
> store that precious information on a tiny handheld device.  Absolutely
> amazing!
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: downloading a new app on the iPhone

[Jody ianuzzi]

You can search for an app by asking Siri to find it in the App Store or you can open the App Store app then go to the lower right hand corner where it says search and do a one finger double tap then go to the top of the page and find the edit field which is a little deceptive because it will say games apps and stories and more. At first you don't realize this is a text field but that's where you wanna do a one finger double tap to open the text field and then type in the app that you were looking forJODYTo Boldly Go   thunderwalker...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn Dec 24, 2023, at 7:37 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:I don’t very often download apps but am struggling at the moment.I want to download the new version of Soundscape but am struggling to find the text box where I can write what I am looking for. Alison  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 10:28 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: downloading a new app on the iPhone I search the app store. When I finthese app, I double tap on get. Confirm that I want it by double tapping the side button and it downloads. Make sure you don't have your phone set to download to the app library instead of the home screen.  Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 23, 2023, at 1:43 PM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:Recently I am having a real struggle downloading new apps on the iPHone. How do others go about it?Alison -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/002401da35e9%2411f85370%2435e8fa50%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/1161B421-8BAF-4F5B-BA95-C21A54BEB537%40comcast.net.



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Okay, I Think I'm Addicted, to the New Apple Journalling App for iOS 17.2 or Later

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I started using the Apple Journalling app, a couple of days ago, and wow!  I
think I'm in love.

I have the app set to automatically make suggestions, based on my activity,
throughout the day, and boy is it thorough.  These suggestions are excellent
launch pads from which to compose an entry.

One can either type an entry or make an audio entry, kind of like an
officer's log frequently used throughout the Star Trek television franchise.

You know, many, many moons ago, when I was but a lad, I used to keep a daily
(almost daily) journal, in hardcopy Braille.  I think I did this for over 7
years and, eventually, the amount of paper grew too large to store in my
tiny, one bedroom apartment, so I gave it up.

Now fast-forward, in time, and now we have the technology to not only write
with a Braille display or QWERTY keyboard but to also make recordings and
store that precious information on a tiny handheld device.  Absolutely
amazing!

Mark


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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[M. Taylor]

This is wonderful feedback, my friend.  Thank you for posting.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

[M. Taylor]

Hello Debbie,

You ask an interesting question.

I’m not certain why you would want a smoke detector that has an accompanying 
app but I can tell you that Home Depot and Lowe’s sell smoke detectives that 
have voice responses built-in.

I have several throughout my home as I add more and mor as the older ones 
expire.

These models have user replaceable batteries and there is a test button on the 
unit that, when pressed, causes the unit to speak in a very loud and clear 
voice that tells you if the unit is in good working order.  When the battery is 
low, the unit will automatically repeatedly announce that the battery is low.  
Finally, and I hope you never need this, when smoke is detected, the unit makes 
a low loud noise and repeatedly says that smoke has been detected.

I absolutely love these models as the cost, per unit, is more than reasonable 
given the accessibility of the unit.  I think the last one I installed costs 
around $20.

Oh, and they have models that can be wired directly into the electricity system 
of the house, also.

A quick Amazon search will result in several different models being displayed 
but, as I said, for me, I just go over to my local big box home goods store and 
buy them as needed.
Mark
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debbie 
April Yuille
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 8:50 PM
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Subject: VO Accessible Wi-Fi Smoke Detectors

Hi All

Does anyone know which Wi-Fi smoke detectors have apps that are accessible with 
Voice Over?

Cheers and happy holidays.
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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

[Tom Rash]

It does not work consistently for me.  
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.

> On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
> again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas 
> others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.
>  
> On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good 
> consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. 
> First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the 
> email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture 
> exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any 
> exceptions:
>  
> Hello Sieghard,
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
> perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
> and managed to get the same results.
> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
> appropriate teams for further investigation.
> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
> article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585
>  
> The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
> tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
> start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced 
> this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all 
> is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 
> PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple 
> tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a 
> quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the 
> minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get 
> just minutes after a triple tap.
>  
> I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
> the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
> definitely be something they take a closer look at.
>  
> I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
> tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
> always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
> assume this could also have something to do with it.
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>  
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RE: downloading a new app on the iPhone

[CJ & AA MAY]

Many thanks. Will try this.

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 12:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading a new app on the iPhone

 

Alison, when in the app store at the bottom of the screen in the list of tabs 
double tap the search tab. Then touch the screen near your volume up button 
then flick right until you hear "games, apps stories and more" and double tap. 
this is your search field. When you are finished typing swipe right to hear 
your list of options.  

- Original Message - 

From: CJ   & AA MAY 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:37 AM

Subject: RE: downloading a new app on the iPhone

 

I don’t very often download apps but am struggling at the moment.

I want to download the new version of Soundscape but am struggling to find the 
text box where I can write what I am looking for. 

Alison

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 10:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: downloading a new app on the iPhone

 

I search the app store. When I finthese app, I double tap on get. Confirm that 
I want it by double tapping the side button and it downloads. Make sure you 
don't have your phone set to download to the app library instead of the home 
screen. 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 

 

 

On Dec 23, 2023, at 1:43 PM, CJ & AA MAY mailto:chrisalis...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Recently I am having a real struggle downloading new apps on the iPHone. How do 
others go about it?

Alison

 

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Re: downloading a new app on the iPhone

[Robert Doc Wright]

Alison, when in the app store at the bottom of the screen in the list of 
tabs double tap the search tab. Then touch the screen near your volume up 
button then flick right until you hear "games, apps stories and more" and 
double tap. this is your search field. When you are finished typing swipe 
right to hear your list of options.
  - Original Message - 
  From: CJ & AA MAY
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:37 AM
  Subject: RE: downloading a new app on the iPhone


  I don’t very often download apps but am struggling at the moment.

  I want to download the new version of Soundscape but am struggling to find 
the text box where I can write what I am looking for.

  Alison





  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 10:28 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: downloading a new app on the iPhone



  I search the app store. When I finthese app, I double tap on get. Confirm 
that I want it by double tapping the side button and it downloads. Make sure 
you don't have your phone set to download to the app library instead of the 
home screen.



  Richard, USA

  “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God 
stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to 
get it.”

  -- Cedrick Bridgeforth



  My web site: https://www.turner42.com/











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How do others go about it?

Alison



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RE: downloading a new app on the iPhone

[CJ & AA MAY]

I don’t very often download apps but am struggling at the moment.

I want to download the new version of Soundscape but am struggling to find the 
text box where I can write what I am looking for. 

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 10:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: downloading a new app on the iPhone

 

I search the app store. When I finthese app, I double tap on get. Confirm that 
I want it by double tapping the side button and it downloads. Make sure you 
don't have your phone set to download to the app library instead of the home 
screen. 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

 









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