Re: ios11.3 is out now, no fake news

[Daniel Miller]

It’s not fake, it’s only out for the new iPad, but should be out soon for all 
devices. 

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> On Mar 28, 2018, at 1:42 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> Fake again, I just heard from Dutch news sites that Apple pushed back its 
> update very soon and the update is only rolling out for the newest ipad 
> generations not yet for iphones that could come later on this spring or 
> summer.
>  
> From: Donald Moore
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 7:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: ios11.3 is out now, no fake news
>  
> I just went in to update my software and was informed that my software is up 
> to date with 11.2.6.
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Davy Cuppens
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> Subject: ios11.3 is out now, no fake news
>  
> Hi everyohne
>  
> Ios 11.3 is out.
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Re: IOS 11.3 hits today

[Daniel Miller]

How exactly do you know this? No such announcement was given. 

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> On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Gordon  wrote:
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> I wanted to let you all know that IOS 11.3 will be available later today 
> probably around noon Central time. It works very well for those of you who 
> want to upgrade. the update is about 2.5 gigs.
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Re: I Want to Buy a HomePod But, ...

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. You guys realize the HomePod doesn’t even support Bluetooth streaming, 
right? The only reason it has Bluetooth five hardware, is to enable 
speakerphone functionality. Yes, that might be coming in the future update, but 
we aren’t sure yet.

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> On Feb 15, 2018, at 7:26 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed, but that's how the device he wants to use, is.
> I accept if the socket isn't there now, it's not going to be.
> 
> So a cheap solution, or buy a different speaker which has it.   I still have 
> a JB JB, so not really bothered either way.
> 
> RobH.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: I Want to Buy a HomePod But, ...
> 
> 
> True, but why should I have to spend the time and the money buying
> another gadget just because a ubiquitous audio feature is consciously
> kept from these high end devices?
> 
> 
>> On 02/15/2018 01:46 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone wrote:
>> Bluetooth transmitter that takes 3.5mm jack.  Quite cheap and common.
>> 
>> R.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "M. Taylor" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:51 AM
>> Subject: I Want to Buy a HomePod But, ...
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I was really considering buying a HOmePod.  However, as I am not subscribed
>> to Apple Music nor am I going to subscribe anytime soon, I was hoping that
>> the HomePod would have a 3.5mm jack so that I could use it with non-apple
>> and/or legacy hardware devices such as my iPod Nanno.  What a bummer that it
>> does not have such a port.
>> 
>> Perhaps I'll wait until the next generation model in hopes that they will
>> permit legacy-device attachments.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV

[Daniel Miller]

Unfortunately, apples accessibility team will probably not do anything about 
this, since it is third-party apps. The best course of action is to contact 
google and or Verizon or Amazon.

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> On Feb 9, 2018, at 7:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Isn't the Amazon Prime Video app doing the same thing? I find it curious why 
> these companies/developers feel they need to make their apps accessible by 
> including a self-voicing TTS when the Apple TV is perfectly accessible with 
> Voiceover. I think we should let Apple Accessibility know about thios as well 
> as of course Youtube. This would be like Microsoft starting Narrator on a 
> Windows 10 PC in addition to Jaws with no option to turn it off.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Shai
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 1:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: The new Youtube app on the Apple TV
> 
> Hello Ben,
> Yes, I also get the TTS in addition to VoiceOver with the new YouTube app  on 
> the  fourth generation Apple TV.  From my testing of the app, it does not 
> seem like one can disable the TTS; it seems like a setting that gets enabled 
> when it detects that VoiceOver is on. I did notice though that the parts of 
> the app are accessible with the TTS at least and I could disable VoiceOver 
> after getting into the app. I am not sure what occurs when a video starts 
> playing if those controls are still accessible when VoiceOver is disabled.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2/9/18, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
>> Hi all
>> 
>> The Youtube app on my 4th gen Apple TV received an update a couple of 
>> days ago; it got quite a bit of coverage online - the main takeaway 
>> being that the old version was much better. One thing that wasn't 
>> mentioned however was that they appear to have implemented their own 
>> screen reader - E.G. if you open the app and navigate around, you'll 
>> hear the apps TTS talking as well as VO.
>> 
>> My questions:
>> 
>> Can someone with a 4th gen or 4K Apple TV test this for me?
>> Does anyone know how to turn it off? It obviously isn't happening to 
>> sighted people so it must be something that I've enabled but I can't 
>> think what.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
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Re: Siri problem

[Daniel Miller]

Uber seems to have removed the integration and we’re not sure if it will 
return. 

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> On Feb 3, 2018, at 9:56 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I googled What does the name SIRI stand for. And found this article on the 
> Forbes web site:
> 
> 
> Adam Cheyer, Co-Founder of Siri
> 
> As a startup, when coming up with Siri's name, we wanted something that was 
> easy to remember, short to type, comfortable to pronounce, and a 
> not-too-common human name. And we wanted to be able to get the domain name 
> for not too much money...
> 
> Once Siri became the leading candidate, everyone on the team had their own 
> favorite explanation of the meaning. Dag Kittlaus, our Norwegian-American 
> CEO, once considered using Siri as the name of his child and liked the Norse 
> meaning "beautiful woman who leads you to victory." For me, Siri, which means 
> "secret" in Swahili, was a tip of the hat to our pre-named days when we began 
> as stealth-company.com.  I also liked the fact that it was the reverse of 
> Iris, a software system I helped build as part of the CALO project which Siri 
> spun out of. Some liked the resemblance to SRI, which was the research 
> institute that ran the CALO project. We knew about Siri = beauty in 
> Sinhalese, but missed that SHIRI = "butt" in Japanese (they're not the same 
> word, but closely pronounced...)
> 
> And it was all a big surprise for the team that Apple decided to keep the 
> original Siri name for its launch as part of iOS. There were other candidates 
> that were leading, up until the final weeks...
> 
> This question originally appearedon Quora.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Feb 3, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Jewel  wrote:
> 
>> There have been observations, from time to time,  on this list, as to the IQ 
>> of Siri.  I do find it 
>> annoying when I ask him a, relatively straightforward  question such as 
>> "what is the circumference 
>> of a circle with a diameter of 10 metres , and instead of giving me the 
>> answer,  he looked it up on 
>> the 'net which I then had to read:a few software updates ago, Siri would 
>> have ask me if I would 
>> like him to read it?  It wasn't Siri who decided that he would, no longer, 
>> bother himself to read 
>> the contents of websites;  Siri is only as good as his handlers and it was 
>> they who issued the 
>> current instructions and he has to follow them, much as it goes against the 
>> grain to do so!
>> However, I still do find him to be a lot of fun and I am amazed at the 
>> things that he can answer, 
>> such as when I said to him:  "Siri!  May I call you Jack?" to which he 
>> replied:  "No Jewel!  you may 
>> not;  I am comfortable with my identity!"
>> Obviously, he has been programmed to make that reply should any jumped-up 
>> jockey suggest that he 
>> should be called anything but Siri.
>> Speaking of which, I assume that it is an acronym!  does anyone know what 
>> the individual letters 
>> represent?  I think that I have heard what the words are but I have 
>> forgotten!  something something 
>> reading something?
>> 
>>  Jewel 
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Re: Apple Pay cash

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Tom. The only thing you can do is except payments from others using Apple 
Pay cash right now and transfer them to your BAC. You can’t pay people 
yourself, since your bank does not support Apple Pay at this time.

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> With ApplePay Cash, does it matter that my bank doesn’t yet accept Apple pay 
> on its credit card?
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Re: Apple Denies You the Choice

[Daniel Miller]

Unfortunately, you need to at least set up a passcode for the alert to go away. 
There’s no way to get around it.

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> On Dec 4, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
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> After installing IOS 11.2 I encountered the usual setup screen, wanting me to 
> set up a finger print and pass code. it is my choice not to do this. Before 
> you tell me it is so important to do this, I say it is my choice, and i 
> accept the responsability for it. However, Apple does not seem to want me to 
> have that choice. Almost every time I start my phone I get a nag wanting me 
> to set up finger print and pass code. i am given the option of deferring 
> this, but then I get the nag again the next time I start my phone. Is there a 
> way to defeat the nag permantly, or at least until the next IOS upgrade? I 
> feel that what security options i use, or do not use should be my choice.
>  
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Re: Auto-setup new iPhone or restore from backup?

[Daniel Miller]

Yes. It makes everything so much easier, since it will most likely come with 
iOS 11.0 .3 and will offer to update you to 11.1 during the set up process.

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> My wife’s new iPhone X is about to arrive: as everything possible is synced 
> to iCloud, will using the auto-setup feature by placing old phone next to new 
> phone transfer the same data and passwords as doing a restore from iCloud 
> backup? It certainly seems easier, especially if new iPhone X arrives with an 
> earlier version of iOS than my wife’s current iPhone 7!
> Thanks
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Re: demo apple watch did not come up talking

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Hi. The demo watches Apple stores aren’t set up in the way that a normal Watch 
is. You have to ask ahead of time for a watch so you can check out voiceover.

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> While I was in the local store, I decided to have a play with a watch with 
> cellular capabilities. I thought tripple clicking the digital crown would 
> make the speech come up. This did not happen and the member of staff was 
> unfamiliar with VO and how to get it to work. What might she or I have 
> missed? Can you in fact not make the watch talk just out of the box?
> Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: Did anyone notice any accessibility improvements in iOS 11.02?

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Hi, no fixes at all. Voiceover fixes  generally aren’t included in such minor 
updates like these.

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> Hello Folks,
> Did any of you who updated to iOS 11.02 find any fixes of the voiceover bugs 
> that have been discussed in this list?  I like to know before I do the 
> update.
> Cheers,
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Re: Apple Pay with IOS 11

[Daniel Miller]

That will be available later this fall.

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Re: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET

[Daniel Miller]

It does, all of the articles that are stating to hold down the volume up  as 
well are wrong. Apples official documentation only says sleep/wake and volume 
down. .

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> Hi,
> 
> I thought the command on the iPhone 7 was the Power and Volume Up buttons, 
> not Volume Down. I wonder if the Power/Volume Up combo works on the 8 and 8 
> Plus.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:45 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I appreciate the headsUp too, but  getting disillusioned now that Apple, 
>> like MS before them,   think and presume, they can get away 
>> with anything.
>> 
>> Can you imagine cars being designed this way, swapping the order of the 
>> pedals,, positions of gear shift and parking brake, lights, 
>> indicators and dials move around regularly anyway.  MS did this when they 
>> withdrew alt-ctrl-del as primary reboot keys, and left us 
>> with nothing to salvage a locked up machine.
>> 
>> But I digress, I'm still reading all the  - whether to go for it themes -  
>> and getting a tad disheartened at it all. MrsH has just 
>> bought an unknown 'Droid for about £70 looking just like aniPhone 6, though 
>> also do a 6+ size in it.  Even it's voices sound 
>> promising.  But no one wanted to know that, right?
>> 
>> RobH, keeps reading and keeping the key info bits.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 6:11 AM
>> Subject: RE: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET
>> 
>> 
>> Mark, this sounds like a button combination which works much better on 
>> Sundays between 7 and 8 AM and while you are performing a 
>> headstand in the batht ub.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: How to force restart the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET
>> 
>> CNET How To - Monday, September 25, 2017 at 7:56 AM How to force restart the 
>> iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus - CNET With the iPhone 8 
>> ($699.00 at Apple) and 8 Plus, Apple has once again changed the button 
>> combination used to force restart a frozen phone.
>> Up until the iPhone 7 ($720.00 at Amazon Marketplace) and 7 Plus ($785.70 at 
>> Amazon Marketplace), you could hold the wake/lock (or 
>> "side" button) and the home button at the same time until the Apple logo 
>> appeared. That process changed with the iPhone 7 lineup, 
>> when you had to hold the wake/lock and volume down buttons to complete the 
>> process.
>> 
>> Now Playing: Watch this: iPhone 8 drop test: How tough is the glass?
>> 4:45
>> If you try the same thing on the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, however, you'll quickly 
>> learn that's how the Emergency SOS feature is 
>> triggered. Depending on your settings, your phone may end up playing a loud 
>> alarm and calling emergency services when all you wanted 
>> to do was restart your device.
>> Apple has published the button sequence (not combination) that restarts the 
>> iPhone 8 and 8 Plus. Here's what you need to do:
>> Quickly press and release the volume up button.
>> Quickly press and release the volume down button.
>> Hold in the wake/lock button until you see the Apple logo.
>> The next time your phone is running a bit slow or is frozen, keep this in 
>> mind. It took me a few tries to get it just right, but it 
>> indeed works.
>> 
>> Original Article At:
>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-force-restart-the-iphone-8-iphone-8-plus/
>> #ftag=CAD5457c2c
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Re: T-mobile Sprint merger weeks away

[Daniel Miller]

It still has a really good chance of being blocked by the FCC, DOJ ETC. don’t 
count on it happening just yet, or maybe even ever.

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> Less competition is usually not a good thing, and, as you said, the 
> technologies are different. Eventually all of the carriers will be using LTE 
> but this will take some time. I remember a few years ago t-mobile and at 
> wanted to merge and were not permitted to, I'm surprised this one is being 
> allowed to happen. I've been with t-mobile since 2005 and plan on staying 
> with them.
> Original message:
>> So the news is out that we all pretty much knew was coming. T-mobile and
>> Sprint will merge on paper some times in October with the deal being
>> stock and T-mobile being the majority share holders in the deal. My hope
>> is that T-mobile management will remain at the top and that T-mobile
>> wont become more like Verizon and At We've all seen many changes in
>> the wireless industry over the past few years since John Legere has been
>> at the helm. he's dictated how and what the rest of the carriers do and
>> how they treat their customers. Don't think for one minute that Verizon
>> or At was smiling when they launched their unlimited data plans and
>> lower prices. They did it because T-mobile gave them no choice if they
>> wanted to remain competitive. But with Sprint being eliminated at the
>> bottom, they wont be there to tug and have the lowest prices forcing
>> T-mobile to price their services lower than Verizon and At What do
>> you all think the future holds with the new merger? I know the big thing
>> is the spectrum that Sprint has and how T-mobile can utilize that to
>> continue to build out their network and increase coverage. I know that
>> Sprint still uses CDMA for their 2G network, but is their 4G networks
>> compatible with what T-mobile currently uses or will every Sprint
>> customer have to eventually get a new phone? I know this would roll out
>> over time like it did with Cricket and Metro PCS and that in 4 years or
>> so most people would have got a new phone anyway.
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Re: posting to Facebook

[Daniel Miller]

Get the Facebook app and then you can. 

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> Facebook.
> So is there A work around for that or do you have to get something else to 
> make that work?
> Just wondering I don’t really do it much but I would still like to know just 
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Re: Apple Watch trouble.

[Daniel Miller]

That’s normal behavior, unfortunately. I’m not sure if that will be fixed in 
watchOS 4 or not.

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> On Aug 19, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Conrad Bennett  wrote:
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> Whenever I delete a message from my phone it doesn't sync properly it will 
> still show up on my watch for several weeks what do I do how do I fix this? 
> Please help thanks
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Re: The focus 14 or 20 line

[Daniel Miller]

There is no focus 20, just a focus 14 and 40. The current shipping of versions 
of the devices can only connect to one Bluetooth and one USB device 
simultaneously. There is a new generation of the 40 coming out in a couple 
months that has multi Bluetooth connectivity, plus USB. We aren’t sure how many 
Bluetooth devices the new generation will be able to connect to though at this 
point. The new generation of the 14 sell version should be out next year.

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Re: A question regarding Apple's Magic Keyboard with Numpad.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. I’m guessing that will not work, since the only purpose for the lightning 
port on the keyboard is to charge it. Yes, when you plug it into a Mac for the 
first time, it uses the USB cable to pair it via Bluetooth so you don’t have to 
do it manually, but other than that it serves no purpose. I’m not sure if that 
would function way you would like it to an iOS.

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> On Jul 31, 2017, at 3:47 AM, Danny Keys  wrote:
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> Hello List,
> I am thinking about purchasing the new magic keyboard with number pad. This 
> keyboard is bluetooth and also uses a usb connector.
> I’m curious if the following is possible.
> If I purchase this keyboard and camera adaptor for iPhone, will the keyboard 
> work with my iPhone 6S Plus both as a wired keyboard and I know it will work 
> with bluetooth.
> I spoke with an apple engineer about this and he said that it might work, but 
> he wasn’t sure.
> Has anyone ever done this?
> You might ask why I want to do this. For example, I want to restore my 
> iPhone. When first starting up after removing all data, the only source is 
> the screen input. I have another lightning keyboard that I don’t like, but in 
> a pinch it works. So the need for the lightning adapter is to use this 
> keyboard wired direct for the first few screens in setting up the phone.
> So, again, if anyone has done this, I’d really be interested to know how well 
> it works or doesn’t work.
> BTW I will also be using this magic keyboard on my MBP as well. My extremely 
> old full sized mac keyboard is kind of dyeing.
> Thanks in advance for any info.
> 
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Re: nil sunday ticket

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. Are you talking about NFL Sunday ticket? If so, your message didn’t really 
make a lot of sense. You can only purchase it if you have DirecTV as a 
satellite provider. They do have an iPhone and iPad app, but it requires you to 
pay $300 for their max package unless things have changed recently.

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> On Jul 27, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Larry McCreary  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Is it possible to purchase an nil sunday ticket for iPhone and apple tv?  I 
> have heard that direct tv now customers can purchase the ticket but can’t 
> chase the information down.  Also is it possible to install vpn on iPhone and 
> apple tv?
> Thanks much for your help.
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Re: Please refresh my memory

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. They Actually Promised it at The End of June, Not July. So it Should be Out 
This Coming Week.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jun 25, 2017, at 1:10 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Nancy, 
> 
> If you had a friend update your iPhone to iOS 11 then you are on developer 
> beta 2 and I truly hope your friend likes you better than to do this to you. 
> There are some good features coming in iOS 11, but right now there still is a 
> lot not working and nobody's primary device should be on iOS 11 right now.
> I would check in Settings > General > About and see what version you have or 
> you can also go to Software Update since it will tell you the version there 
> as well.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Nancy
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Please refresh my memory
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> My SE has finally been updated from IOS 9 to IOS 11.
> 
> 
> If my memory serves, I should now be able to do some things  to keep the SE 
> more like a 'regular' phone.
> 
> 
> 1. What should be done to keep the SE from changing from regular phone 
> to speaker phone and back again 'automatically'??
> 
> 
> 2. Is there something I can do to keep the phone from talking when I 
> just pick it up?
> 
> 
> 3  Since I have made the update is there something that needs to be done 
> so Siri will activate when I say 'Siri' instead of 'Hey Siri'?
> 
> 
> Thank you so much for any help you can give!
> 
> 
> Waiting in anticipation,
> 
> 
> Nancy and her SE
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Re: Youtube version 12.23 and apparent absence of collapse video button VoiceOver iOS 10.3.2

[Daniel Miller]

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> When I played videos I had done an initial search for on Safari, the collapse 
> video button was underneath "go back to Safari". Otherwise, when I go just 
> straight to YouTube, there is no collapse video button except for when I do 
> what someone here said about pressing the home button and going back into 
> YouTube.
> 
> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Hope Paulos  wrote:
> 
> I have the latest version of YouTube, and have the ability to collapse the 
> video. It looks like it is to the right of the video player.
> 
> Hope Paulos
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:10 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
>> 
>> Even though we can't close videos currently playing, we can still
>> access the list of recommendations after the autoplay button to play
>> the next video, at least when swiping through the screen. Not a great
>> solution, but it will do for now.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 6/21/17, Cristóbal  wrote:
>>> Same here. The app was crashing when in the liked and favorites list for me
>>> as well.
>>> Only way to get out of a video for me is to completely close out the app and
>>> open it again. Have to do this for every single videio I click on. I already
>>> wrote with feedback voicing my displeasure with these last two updates.
>>> Even tried downloading YouPlayer as an alternative and while it still works
>>> fine, I can't seem to log into my Google account anymore.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Shai
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 11:19 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Youtube version 12.23 and apparent absence of collapse video button
>>> VoiceOver iOS 10.3.2
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> Yesterday, I saw that there was an update to the YouTube app which I applied
>>> thinking that it might fix the issue I am having with the app crashing when
>>> I open a playlist with VoiceOver. It still has not fixed this issue and it
>>> seems that the collapse video button is also not present. This button
>>> enabled a person to exit out of an existing video and watch other videos on
>>> their recommended tab or to search for a different video altogether via the
>>> app's search button. With the collapse video button eliminated, one can only
>>> pause and resume a video, or watch videos related to the current one.
>>> Does anyone have a workaround for collapsing a video? For now, I have been
>>> closing the app in the switcher after the conclusion of a video and
>>> re-opening it.
>>> Thank you in advance for any responses
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Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. No, ProMotion is a strictly visual adjustment. It will not affect voiceover 
users in the slightest. There's no need to even worry about it. All the 
technology does this tell the iPad went to refresh the screen based on what 
you're doing with it. It's mainly meant for the pencil, and video content.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> And I had forgotten the most important and what the world demands.
> The battery power.
> 
> I'm sick of having to charge the battery of the normal  iPhone screens to or 
> 3 times a day...
> And I don't have to spend more money on an iPhone plus just to have more 
> battery power...
> cheers.
> 
> 
> Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
>> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how 
>> to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know 
>> how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. 
>> Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning 
>> of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta 
>> and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't 
>> like it.
>> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Greg Wocher
>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
>> iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It 
>> is a technical limitation of the technology.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Greg Wocher
>> d
>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
>>> things.
>>> 
>>> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
>>> screen?
>>> 2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
>>> I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read 
>>> is that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
>>> Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
>>> Please, what are your thoughts.
>>> thanks.
>>> cheers.
>>> 
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> Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
>> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how 
>> to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know 
>> how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. 
>> Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning 
>> of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta 
>> and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't 
>> like it.
>> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Greg Wocher
>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
>> iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It 
>> is a technical limitation of the technology.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Greg Wocher
>> d
>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
>>> things.
>>> 
>>> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
>>> 

Re: New Accessibility-Related Bugs Introduced in iOS 10.3

[Daniel Miller]

Works perfectly fine here. 

Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

> On Mar 27, 2017, at 5:12 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> yup this is a problem in system apps. Using an iphone 6s plus
> 
>> On 3/27/17, Mário Gabriel  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> please report to apple.
>> 
>> I already did it ...
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> cheers.
>> 
>> 
>> Às 21:30 de 27/03/2017, Shai escreveu:
>>> Hello,
>>> I notice this bug using VoiceOver when I attempt to force touch on the
>>> Messages app to get a menu. When I do, the choices are gone and the
>>> messages app opens right away in the composition window. Although not
>>> a serious bug for sure, it is annoying.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 3/27/17, Mário Gabriel  wrote:
 
 
 Mary, this is real in most apps that support 3D force touch.
 Especially in native system apps.
 for me, this is a general bug.
 
 cheers.
 
 
 Às 19:37 de 27/03/2017, Mary Otten escreveu:
> Hi Mario,
> What app or apps are you experiencing this in? I would be happy to
> report
> it if I experienced it. So obviously, either my phone is different,
> which
> seems  strange, or I'm not using the same apps with 3D Touch that you
> are.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Mário Gabriel 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Mary.
>> On my iPhone 7, this issue is real.
>> I would not do it without being sure.
>> For me this issue is very serious.
>> 
>> With this, is already the second time that we are faced with this
>> issue.
>> 
>> please let's all report this issue to apple.
>> thanks.
>> cheers.
>> 
>> 
>> Às 18:52 de 27/03/2017, Mary Otten escreveu:
>>> Let's make sure we actually experience the bug before we report it. I
>>> use the 3D Touch a lot in the notification section, and I have not
>>> noticed this problem. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. But it might
>>> be
>>> app specific. So before you go reporting something based on what you
>>> read, you might want to try it and see for yourself.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Mário Gabriel 
 wrote:
 
 
 hi.
 
 
 please, Let's go All report this serious issue to apple.
 
 
 list of 1 items
 • Behavior of Shortcut Menus triggered on app icons by 3D Touch is
 unreliable. Things appear to work as expected if, after triggering
 the
 3D Touch menu,
 you keep your finger pressed to the screen and drag to locate a menu
 item by touch or perform a very distinct swipe gesture to move
 VoiceOver focus. However,
 anything else (such as lifting your finger and then trying to locate
 a
 menu item by touch) may result in one of the menu items being
 triggered
 with no
 input from you.
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Re: AirPods query

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. They will be paired with the Mac, but sound will not come through them and 
less you specifically switch the audio source to them in system preferences. 
Sound only simultaneously switches between the watch and the phone.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Dec 18, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Once my AirPods are paired with my iPhone, Apple says they will automatically 
> be paired with my Mac. But if I have my iPhone in my pocket within pairing 
> distance, when I turn my Mac on and voiceover starts up, will voiceover only 
> come through the Mac's speakers or is there a way to get voiceover on the Mac 
> to come through my EarPods which I've previously been using for voiceover on 
> my iPhone? Confused. Harry
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Re: directv now

[Daniel Miller]

The app has some terrible accessibility issues right now. Channel names are 
inaccessible, plus various other things. Not impressed at all. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> There is an app for both phone and appleTV
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/directv-now/id1136238277?mt=8
> as for accessibility, with a little playing around, you can learn how to 
> navigate.  You can scroll up and down, the channels aren’t labeled like in 
> sling TV, but if you swipe to the right, it will tell you what is currently 
> on, and if you swipe down, it will tell you what is up coming.  Most don’t 
> like that you have to work with apps like this, but what can you do except 
> deal with it until enough people contact them to fix the issues.  I signed up 
> for the 3 month per motion, and my appleTV4 should be here before christmas.
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I managed to get signed up using my iPhone. The sign up process was 100% 
>> accessible. As far as watching anything on the site, I haven't tried that 
>> yet. The apps also aren't out yet, give that time. And also, just because a 
>> website accessibility for these types of things is bad does it mean the app 
>> it will be. They use the plug-in called silver light by Microsoft, which 
>> isn't the best for making that type of content accessible. It's just as bad 
>> in my opinion as flash is. Fire fox is not supported at this time. You need 
>> to use chrome, Internet Explorer, or safari. They recommend chrome for the 
>> best experience.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, so far I am not impressed with Directtv Now.
>>> 
>>> The page is up, and ready to go. You can create an account, and you do 
>>> get a 7 day trial,.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> However, if the site is any indecation as to how accessible the app is 
>>> for the Apple tv, we may be in for some difficult times.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have waited for this to happen for a while now. I've been excited 
>>> about it. I even checked a little after midnight, to see if the site was 
>>> ready. LOL!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't seem to get signed up. I can put my email address in, create a 
>>> password, but that's as far as I seem to get.
>>> 
>>> Supposedly there is a capcha, but it never opens. Also, I believe you 
>>> are supposed to agree to their terms, and such. But there is no checkbox 
>>> to be able to do this.
>>> 
>>> Also, when there was an area that showed stuff possibly playing 
>>> currently, it was out of order, and diidn't match up with the stations 
>>> the shows should have been playing on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I tried using Firefox. But according to the site, my version of Firefox 
>>> is not up to date. I'm not sure what version of Firefox I am currently 
>>> using, but I thought it was up to date.
>>> 
>>> Also, I tried to chat live, but it never seemed to connect to anyone. So 
>>> maybe this feature isn't available. Maybe currently there is nobody to 
>>> chat with. I just don't know.
>>> 
>>> I tried to find a number to tech support. But whenever I call a number, 
>>> it wants an account number. I can't get past this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, I have looked for the app in the app store. I have tried entering 
>>> different things. But I have come up with nothing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If anyone has a better experience, and manages to get signed up, please 
>>> let us know.
>>> 
>>> If I figure it out, I will let you all know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: directv now

[Daniel Miller]

I did have that problem, but it's nothing you need to worry about. The fields 
and stuff are they are visually.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> 
> Thank you for your help with this. I really do appreciate it. I was 
> thinking of using sufarie, but hadn't gotten there.
> 
> 
> Now all of my information has been entered, even my payment info and 
> such. I have already received 2 emails from Direct Tv.
> 
> 
> However, it wants a capcha. There is a text field, but I cant seem to 
> open it. I have tried multiple times. Also, the audio challenge button 
> is dimmed.
> 
> How did you deal with this issue, or did you not have it?
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
> 
> 
>> On 11/30/2016 7:27 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> Hi. I managed to get signed up using my iPhone. The sign up process was 100% 
>> accessible. As far as watching anything on the site, I haven't tried that 
>> yet. The apps also aren't out yet, give that time. And also, just because a 
>> website accessibility for these types of things is bad does it mean the app 
>> it will be. They use the plug-in called silver light by Microsoft, which 
>> isn't the best for making that type of content accessible. It's just as bad 
>> in my opinion as flash is. Fire fox is not supported at this time. You need 
>> to use chrome, Internet Explorer, or safari. They recommend chrome for the 
>> best experience.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Terri Stimmel <icecreamlove...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, so far I am not impressed with Directtv Now.
>>> 
>>> The page is up, and ready to go. You can create an account, and you do
>>> get a 7 day trial,.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> However, if the site is any indecation as to how accessible the app is
>>> for the Apple tv, we may be in for some difficult times.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have waited for this to happen for a while now. I've been excited
>>> about it. I even checked a little after midnight, to see if the site was
>>> ready. LOL!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't seem to get signed up. I can put my email address in, create a
>>> password, but that's as far as I seem to get.
>>> 
>>> Supposedly there is a capcha, but it never opens. Also, I believe you
>>> are supposed to agree to their terms, and such. But there is no checkbox
>>> to be able to do this.
>>> 
>>> Also, when there was an area that showed stuff possibly playing
>>> currently, it was out of order, and diidn't match up with the stations
>>> the shows should have been playing on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I tried using Firefox. But according to the site, my version of Firefox
>>> is not up to date. I'm not sure what version of Firefox I am currently
>>> using, but I thought it was up to date.
>>> 
>>> Also, I tried to chat live, but it never seemed to connect to anyone. So
>>> maybe this feature isn't available. Maybe currently there is nobody to
>>> chat with. I just don't know.
>>> 
>>> I tried to find a number to tech support. But whenever I call a number,
>>> it wants an account number. I can't get past this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, I have looked for the app in the app store. I have tried entering
>>> different things. But I have come up with nothing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If anyone has a better experience, and manages to get signed up, please
>>> let us know.
>>> 
>>> If I figure it out, I will let you all know.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Terri
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Re: directv now

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. I managed to get signed up using my iPhone. The sign up process was 100% 
accessible. As far as watching anything on the site, I haven't tried that yet. 
The apps also aren't out yet, give that time. And also, just because a website 
accessibility for these types of things is bad does it mean the app it will be. 
They use the plug-in called silver light by Microsoft, which isn't the best for 
making that type of content accessible. It's just as bad in my opinion as flash 
is. Fire fox is not supported at this time. You need to use chrome, Internet 
Explorer, or safari. They recommend chrome for the best experience.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:21 AM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> Well, so far I am not impressed with Directtv Now.
> 
> The page is up, and ready to go. You can create an account, and you do 
> get a 7 day trial,.
> 
> 
> However, if the site is any indecation as to how accessible the app is 
> for the Apple tv, we may be in for some difficult times.
> 
> 
> I have waited for this to happen for a while now. I've been excited 
> about it. I even checked a little after midnight, to see if the site was 
> ready. LOL!
> 
> 
> I can't seem to get signed up. I can put my email address in, create a 
> password, but that's as far as I seem to get.
> 
> Supposedly there is a capcha, but it never opens. Also, I believe you 
> are supposed to agree to their terms, and such. But there is no checkbox 
> to be able to do this.
> 
> Also, when there was an area that showed stuff possibly playing 
> currently, it was out of order, and diidn't match up with the stations 
> the shows should have been playing on.
> 
> 
> I tried using Firefox. But according to the site, my version of Firefox 
> is not up to date. I'm not sure what version of Firefox I am currently 
> using, but I thought it was up to date.
> 
> Also, I tried to chat live, but it never seemed to connect to anyone. So 
> maybe this feature isn't available. Maybe currently there is nobody to 
> chat with. I just don't know.
> 
> I tried to find a number to tech support. But whenever I call a number, 
> it wants an account number. I can't get past this.
> 
> 
> Also, I have looked for the app in the app store. I have tried entering 
> different things. But I have come up with nothing.
> 
> 
> If anyone has a better experience, and manages to get signed up, please 
> let us know.
> 
> If I figure it out, I will let you all know.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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Re: Directtv.now

[Daniel Miller]

The chrome cast support for iOS is coming next year. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Rajiv Shah  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> DirectTVNow will have Chromecast and Apple TV support. If you have these 
> devices connected to your TV, you can stream from your phone to your 
> television.
> 
> Rajiv
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Lynda Ingraham 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:02:57 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Directtv.now
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
>  
> 
> I understand about watching direct tv on mobile devices. Is there a way to 
> watch on either a regular or smart tv?
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
>  
> 
> Lynda
> 
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Re: direct TV now, launches on November 30th

[Daniel Miller]

Yes. Here you go.

https://www.cnet.com/news/directv-now-vs-sling-tv-vs-playstation-vue-channels-compared/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b=31720079
> On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:27 PM, Jeremy Gilley  wrote:
> 
> Is there a listing of all the channels this will come with?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Rajiv Shah
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 9:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: direct TV now, launches on november 30th
>  
> Hi,
> 
> The only drawback for the moment is no cloud DVR. Otherwise, a very good deal.
> 
> Rajiv
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Kliphton Miller >
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:28:27 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: direct TV now, launches on november 30th
> 
>> Direct TV Now is swinging for the fences!  Not only are they offering a free 
>> appleTV4 if you commit to 3 months of service, but for a limited time, you 
>> can get over 100 channels for 35 bucks, and add on HBO and cenamax for only 
>> 5 bucks each.   That is huge!  Considering HBO is 15 bucks by itself on 
>> appleTV and other cable providers.  Read more here
>> https://9to5mac.com/2016/11/28/att-directv-now-channels-price-launch-details/
>>  
>> 
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Re: Removing First Page From Home Screen

[Daniel Miller]

Unfortunately, you can't. Sorry

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Joe  wrote:
> 
> Hi, is there a way to remove the first page, the widgets page, from the home
> screen? I'm basically looking for Spotlight Search to only pop up when asked
> to present itself. Not sure if that makes any sense. Thanks for any help.
> 
> Joe
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Re: Belkin Lightening Audio + Charge Rockstar Adapter

[Daniel Miller]

Unfortunately, I don't think you can plug it into a computer I'll that's 
connected through the adapter. The adapter is only meant for charging the 
iPhone through the wall outlet, and listening to lightning EarPods.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
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> Hello List,
>  
> I purchased one of these $39.95 adapters directly from the Apple Store so I 
> could both listen to and charge my iPhone 7 using my wired earpods. The 
> adapter works well for the most part but I'm having an occasional issue with 
> it. I leave it attached to my lightning USB cable which is plugged into my 
> computer and at least twice, iTunes hasn't recognized my attached iPhone 7 
> when connected to the Belkin adapter. I've had to remove the adapter and 
> attach my USB lightning cable directly to the iPhone.
>  
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> earpod buttons work well with the adapter.
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Re: no home button?

[Daniel Miller]

The iPhone 7 does have a home button. Wherever you found that from is obviously 
giving false information. The only difference about the button is that 
haptic,it's   and a mechanical.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

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> Help me out folks if the IPhone 7 doesn’t have a home button how are 
> functions which would normally require this button performed?
> Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: The Just Press Record app is muting VoiceOver

[Daniel Miller]

That's normal unfortunately. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Grant  wrote:
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> Hey guyst,
> 
> It sounded like Just Press Record would be the perfect recording app for both 
> my iPhone and upcoming Apple Watch, and the app's description noted that it 
> supports background recording which is very important to me. What's odd 
> though is that the app is muting all the audio on my phone while recording. 
> This even happens if I try to leave the app, and even if I have headphones 
> connected. Needless to say, as a VoiceOver user that means I can't operate my 
> phone.
> 
> Is this normal? It's a deal-breaker for me, so if there's a way to change 
> this behaviour please let me know. I couldn't find a setting.
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: My Sounds Have Changed

[Daniel Miller]

It's a known bug in iOS 10. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

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> Hey guys,
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> OK, i have no idea why this happened.  A few of my sounds have changed for 
> notifications with a few apps.  1 of my apps, it's not playing the sound it 
> should.  You actually set the sound in the app, but instead it's playing the 
> tri-tone.  Also, facebook messenger is not playing its usual sound.  Any 
> ideas why they would change?
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Re: iPhone 7 Audio with Headphone Jack Earpods and Adapter?

[Daniel Miller]

We won’t be able to test that until the AirPods ship in October.

> On Sep 24, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
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> How's latency with AirPods vs. non-W1 chip Bluetooth headphones/speakers? 
> Hope lag="0"
> 
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:24 PM Alan Lemly  > wrote:
> Anna and Sieghard, 
> 
> Thanks for confirming this. I figured it would work but I always prefer 
> verification from someone on the list instead of making an assumption. 
> 
> Alan 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 23, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Woody Anna Dresner  > wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just tried my iPHOne 6s plus headphones with my 7 and the adapter, and the 
>> controls work just fine, so you're right, Sieghard.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 7:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alan,
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> I can't confirm about the remote buttons with the adapter, but I would 
>>> hazard a guess and say they will work fine, there is no way Apple would 
>>> break such important functionality.
>>> As for the audio quality I think it's comparible. I just bought a set of 
>>> Lightning Earpods and tried both them and my old 3.5mm Earpods on my 6S 
>>> Plus and I can't say I noticed a big difference. The new ones sounded a bit 
>>> fuller, but as I said in another message, my old Earpods have been 
>>> submerged a few times, afterwards they sound pretty tiny and then once they 
>>> dry out they seem fine again, but I guess they aren't as new any more, 
>>> either.
>>> I happened to see on the Apple Store app under Accessories and Headphones 
>>> that there is a company called Audieze or something like that and they make 
>>> some high-end Lightning earphones, here in Canada they range from $600 
>>> Canadian to over $1,000 Canadian, but I guess you have to compare Apples to 
>>> Apples so to speak which means you would need a $600 or $800 3.5mm headset 
>>> to compare to one of these high-end Lightning ones and maybe at that price 
>>> point you would hear a difference. All in all I think with a $35 set of 
>>> Earpods (in Canadian funds) you won't notice much of a difference between 
>>> 3.5 and Lightning.
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>  
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>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>>> Behalf Of Alan Lemly
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:55 AM
>>> To: VIPhone Email List >> >
>>> Subject: iPhone 7 Audio with Headphone Jack Earpods and Adapter?
>>>  
>>> I've read a lot about the removed headphone jack in the iPhone 7 and 
>>> Apple's wired adapter for use with headphone jack earphones and its push to 
>>> the $160 wireless airpods coming out in late October. I haven't seen much 
>>> about the sound quality using the lightning adapter wired earpods provided 
>>> with the iPhone 7. I know I saw posts from audiophiles when the headphone 
>>> jack removal was rumored at how much higher quality audio could be provided 
>>> via the lightning connector.
>>>  
>>> Can anyone who has an iPhone 7 comment on how they perceive the audio 
>>> quality with the lightning wired earpods versus how it was with wired 
>>> headphone jack earpods on an older iDevice? I know this is a bit of apples 
>>> to oranges but I'm just curious in general terms. I also would like to know 
>>> if the remote and volume buttons on the old headphone jack earpods still 
>>> work when connected to an iPhone 7 using the short adapter provided with 
>>> the phone. I'm a big user of my wired earpods and since I have a couple of 
>>> backups, I want to ensure that they work completely with an iPhone 7 using 
>>> the adapter.
>>>  
>>> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>>>  
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Re: Fourth GEN Apple TV and the new VoiceOver audio channels setting

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Hi,

I think the feature is half-baked right now, or we’re simply not understanding 
it’s true functionality. From what I understand, it’s only supposed to allow 
you to change the channels from where the voiceover sounds and/or speech go, 
not actually tv programming audio. If this is the case, the feature is 
incredibly stupid, and needs to be rethought.

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> nice rant.
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
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> Subject: Fourth GEN Apple TV and the new VoiceOver audio channels setting
> 
> 
> I just got my fourth generation Apple TV upgraded to the latest version of 
> tvOS. It has that new feature where you were supposed to be able to send the 
> audio from VoiceOver to somewhere other than where the audio from the Apple 
> TV program goes. This feature is absolutely not working here. I paired the 
> Apple TV with a Bluetooth speaker. Everything goes there. VoiceOver goes 
> there. Apple TV programming goes there instead of to our sound bar. There is 
> no way to split it off, so that the audio from VoiceOver stays on the 
> Bluetooth, but the audio from the TV goes back to the sound bar. In that 
> audio routing thing in the voiceover area, if the Bluetooth speaker is 
> paired, it is the only setting. You can set voiceover anywhere else. And with 
> that sent there, if you go into the audio video and try to send audio back to 
> the television, everything goes there. And then the Bluetooth connection is 
> lost for voiceover. If there are instructions on some specific order of how 
> you have to do this, I would certainly love it. I have been looking forward 
> to this feature for months, because my AppleTV voiceover is basically 
> unusable when sent through our sound bar, because so much of VoiceOver gets 
> cut off. It goes great through the Bluetooth speaker. But we don't want 
> program audio going there too.
> Mary
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Re: tune in premium prices

[Daniel Miller]

They're streaming NBA games this year. This was announced either late last year 
or early this year. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

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> Chris, I hope they do NBA games this year. He didn't last year.
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>> I'm paying $9.99 a month and I signed up right before the NFL regular season 
>> started. BTW, this is the easiest and most convenient way I've used to 
>> access NFL games ever. It beats the old NFL Audio Pass and the tricks I 
>> tried using all last season. Plus I've used it for college football games, 
>> and I think I'll be using it for the NBA and NCAA basketball games as well.
>> 
>>> On 17/09/16 09:05, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>> There’s only one plan, it’s $7.99/month.
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Larry McCreary <lrmccre...@earthlink.net> 
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>>>> I am considering obtain a subscription premium for nfl on tunein.  There 
>>>> was some discussion here a few weeks ago about pricing.  There are plans 
>>>> for approximately $8.00 and $10.00.  What would it cost to obtain the nil 
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Re: tune in premium prices

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There’s only one plan, it’s $7.99/month.

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Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need

[Daniel Miller]

Good lord Jesus, you people bitching about the loss of the headphone jack are 
utterly pathetic. Get over yourselves, and learn to adapt to change. You better 
be thankful apples even including an adapter in the box for this one year of 
the transitional period. Next year with the even newer iPhone, that adapter 
will most likely not be in the box.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

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> Oh, thank God! This is briliant! Belkin is awesome!
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
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>> On Sep 8, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
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>> Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the box, but 
>> for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns about the lack of 
>> ability to use wired headphones and charge, here's the solution.
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter-iphone-7/
>> Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Wired Lightning Earpods and charging, was: IPhone 7will include a headphone jack adaptor.

[Daniel Miller]

Your impression is correct. It will only have one lightning connector and 1 3.5 
mm headphone socket.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Flor Lynch  wrote:
> 
> So, will the lightning adaptor supplied for 3.5 mm headphones have two 
> lightning connectors, and one 3.5 mm socket? (My impression from listening 
> was that the adaptor for 3.5 mm headphones would have one lightning connector 
> (for the iPhone) and one headphone socket.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 10:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Wired Lightning Earpods and charging, was: IPhone 7will include 
> a headphone jack adaptor.
> 
> Hi sing hard,
> Over on Mac visionaries, there is a guy who claims that he has seen the 
> actual phone and adapter, but couldn't talk about it. Apparently he works 
> with the carrier doing some highfalutin technology stuff. When the thing blew 
> up over there about the lack of a headphone jack and the problem that poses 
> for deaf blind people who use hearing aids and voiceover,  this guy came down 
> particularly hard on the gentleman who raised the issue. He is now saying 
> that he did so because he already knew that it was going to be possible to 
> listen with the new adapter and older headphones and charge at the same time. 
> There was somebody else over there who agreed with that, apparently having 
> seen something somewhere. I did not hear anything like that during the 
> presentation. I was following  blog. Now Daniel is saying the images don't 
> show that. I certainly have no firsthand knowledge. I believed the folks over 
> on Mac visionaries.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Where did you hear that you can charge while listening on 3.5mm headphones 
>> via the adapter? I admit I was distracted during the keynote at times as I 
>> was also working and a few times the video cut out, but I didn't think they 
>> addressed this. This would, however, make sense and take the wind out of the 
>> sales of many of the critics.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 2:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Wired Lightning Earpods and charging, was: IPhone 7will include 
>> a headphone jack adaptor.
>> 
>> 
>> No, you won't. You can use any headphones that you now use on your old phone 
>> plugged into the adapter that Apple will supply. You can also charge at the 
>> same time using that same adapter. The only thing you can't do is use the 
>> lightning enabled ear buds that will come with the phone and charge at the 
>> same time. That is hardly a big deal. You could also buy cheaper Bluetooth 
>> headphones and use those. You don't have to go by the Apple ones.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 1:32 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, essentially, you'll need to pay an extra $160 to do something as
>>> simple as listen to music while keeping the phone on AC power. This is
>>> why I deliberately stay a model or two behind in terms of hardware.
>>> 
 On 9/7/16, Greg Wocher  wrote:
 Hello,
 
 No the phone will come with a pair of wired ear phones. The air pods
 are extra. Also beats are coming out with some models that supports
 the new standard Apple is using for wireless headphones.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Greg Wocher
 
 
> On 9/7/2016 4:21 PM, kelby carlson wrote:
> To clarify: You have to pay an extra $160 to get what will be a
> standard pair of Apple headphones with the phone? That's outrageous.
> 
>> On 9/7/16, Rajmund  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've seen it on windows phones. Those, at least, work by putting
>> the phone with it's back on a circlular thing, and it somehow
>> charges. I suppose the same could be done with apple.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from a Braille Sense
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone  
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 8:50 pm
>> Subject: Re: Wired Lightning Earpods and charging, was: IPhone
>> 7will include a headphone jack adaptor.
>> 
>>> 
>>> how would wireless charging be achieved and would it be as quick
>>> or efficient as conventional methods of charging?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 15:21
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Wired Lightning Earpods and charging, was: IPhone 7will
>>> include a
>>> 
>>> headphone jack adaptor.
>>> 

Re: Won't we be able to use earphones when the phone is charging?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi, before this thread turned into an absolute shit fest, which I know it will, 
I'm just going to put this to rest. You cannot charge your device and use the 
lightning to 3.5 mm adapter at the same time.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Short answer, you have to decide one or the other. If you don't want to deal 
> with this issue, then go out and buy Bluetooth headphones.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 2:12 PM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> We don't have the magnetic stuff  with 7 or 7s for charging or for 
>> headphones. But the lightning slot will be used to plug in the new apple 
>> earpods. Apple is going to include an lightning adaptor for those who want 
>> to use analog (old fashioned 3.5 mm jack) earphones. that takes care of the 
>> concerns who were apprehensive that 3.5 mm headphones would be a thing of 
>> past with iphone 7.
>> But my concern is that there is only one lightning slot on iphones, how can 
>> one use the earpods when the phone is charging.
>> 
>> From out perspective the best thing with the new iphones is the stereo sound 
>> and dboule speakers  Seven will sound two times louder than iphone 6 s or 6s 
>> plus.
>> Apart from that I found nothing impressive with the new release. Great 
>> cameras though, 12 mp front and back on iphone 7 plus. That may be great for 
>> nfb reader.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: RSS Games on the Apple devices, was RE: pretty exciting

[Daniel Miller]

Amen! You people disgust me. Sometimes I wish I was fully cited so I wouldn't 
have to be associated with this community.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 8:41 PM, "rowdyameri...@shaned.net" 
>  wrote:
> 
> I Can’t believe how ungrateful some blind people can be.  For years people 
> have been complaining that there wasn’t an app on iOS for RS Games.  Now we 
> have an app and people are complaining about the cost.  You don’t have to pay 
> for the entire bundle of games.  That is only one of the options available to 
> you.  Just buy the games you want and be done with it.
> 
> It takes a lot of time and money to develop apps.  You can’t expect people to 
> do it for free!!!  It just seems like some blind people want everything 
> handed to them.  I’m sorry if this sounds harsh. I really don’t mean it to 
> be.  Not all blind people are like this.  It is just sad that so many of us 
> are.
> 
> If you want a version of RS Games on iOS that you can play for free, go out 
> and develop it then.  Maybe then you will have some appreciation for what it 
> takes to develop an app.
> 
> I’m done ranting now.  Like I said, I really don’t mean to offend anyone.  
> I’m just tired of all the bitching and complaining because there are in app 
> purchases.
> 
> Earle
>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 12:40 PM, crazy eyez  wrote:
>> 
>> Honestly, it charges over $50 canadian for me to buy the bundle to be able 
>> to play all the games.
>> Quite ridiculous.
>> If I were sighted, I could find an app to play for free. People make these 
>> apps, and rip you off because you are blind. How fair is that?
>> Also, kid friendly software games aren't worth it in the first place.
>> I guarantee you if they had partnered with anyone else, it would have been 
>> less.
>> I'll stick to playing for free on my mac, and those who choose can get 
>> ripped off.
>> Cut the price by 75 percent, and we'll talk.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I may not buy these games, as I am not much of a game player. But I always 
>>> wonder what goes into the thinking when people come on and say "this isn't 
>>> worth it". Just do it for free some other way. How do you suppose this got 
>>> ported to iOS? You think whoever did the programming did it for free? I 
>>> doubt it. What would be a fair price in your opinion? And how would you, 
>>> having absolutely no idea as to the costs involved in making the port to  
>>> iOS, derive that proposed fair price?Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 26, 2016, at 8:13 AM, CrazyEyez  wrote:
 
 This isn't worth it.
 Its terrible that they charge an unreasonable price.
 Don't buy into this scam, just play for free on your computer..
 .
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> This is mentioned in the article. It also mentions that for a one-time 
> price of $37 you have unlimited access to all games. We all have to make 
> a living and while I am not much into playing games, for somebody who is 
> I understand this is not a bad deal.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jen .
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: RSS Games on the Apple devices, was RE: pretty exciting
> 
> hi Yolie thing is it says after seven days you have to pay for the games 
> where is on the computer they are free unless I am missing something but 
> when I went into each game last night it told me I only had seven days 
> left for free to try them out
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Gordon  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry I wasn't more specific on the original description. It was a long 
>> hot day here in Dallas TX and I was ready to crash for the evening.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/26/2016 9:15 AM, christopher huby wrote:
>>> I must say this is fantastic news and I have just downloaded the app 
>>> and think It is wonderful as it allows you to play against other people 
>>> online and to see who is available to play against.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for letting us all know about this and thank you and well done 
>>> to the developers.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Christopher huby
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: 26 July 2016 14:32
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RSS Games on the Apple devices, was RE: pretty exciting
>>> 
>>> I almost didn't read this because the subject was very vague.  I took a 
>>> chance and when I 

Re: RSS Games on the Apple devices, was RE: pretty exciting

[Daniel Miller]

I'm not sure, but personally I believe they shouldn't be. I feel they should 
charge you for at least the client, since it does take time and money to keep 
that updated at the very least.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 7:38 PM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hi, press return.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2016, at 5:28 pm, Nishi  wrote:
>> 
>> Can you guys please tell me how to log in to this app as I am not getting 
>> any button to log in after I type in my user name.
>> Any help will be appreciated.
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Nishi.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 26-Jul-2016, at 7:02 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I almost didn't read this because the subject was very vague.  I took a 
>>> chance and when I saw that the link was to Blind Bargains, I checked it out.
>>> I've not been an RSS games player, but this might be worth checking out.
>>> Here is the full text of the article:
>>> 
>>> RS Games shuts the box on only computer playing, goes Apples to Apples with 
>>> iOS
>>> Scott Davert yesterday 11:54 PM ET
>>> 
>>> Earlier today, RS Games announced on Twitter that there is now an iOS 
>>> version of its service available. The app, was developed with Kid Friendly 
>>> Software features many of the gestures and voice settings found in the 
>>> conventional Blindfold series of games.
>>> While the app is free, not all games are free to play. The games that are 
>>> free include Slots, Blackjack, Pig, and Driedel. All other games come with 
>>> a free 7 day trial which starts the first time you launch them, whether you 
>>> play them right away or not. Once your trial expires on a specific game, 
>>> you can then continue to use it via an in-app purchase. All other games 
>>> that are currently on the RS Games Server are available for purchase. The 
>>> prices on games ranged from $2.99 for a few of the games, up to $5.99 for 
>>> monopoly. There are also bundles available which allows you to save a few 
>>> dollars. You can pay for unlimited access to all games for $37.99. After 
>>> downloading the app, you will find more details under the upgrades button.
>>> 
>>> This news will have players excitedly downloading the games, the developers 
>>> encourage players to check out the User Guide under the help button before 
>>> trying to play. From the limited testing I've done before writing this 
>>> article, the gestures appear to work well, and so do the keyboard commands 
>>> if quicknav is disabled. Unfortunately, even though there is a setting that 
>>> is designed for braille display users, none of the spoken feedback comes up 
>>> on the braille display during game play. This was tested under 2 different 
>>> iDevices with 2 different braille displays. However, for a 1.0 release, it 
>>> seems quite solid based on initial testing.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Gordon
>>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 9:12 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: pretty exciting
>>> 
>>> I haven't seen this out here yet, so I figured I'd post it. If someone 
>>> already did, I apologize. http://blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15622
>>> 
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Re: RSS Games on the Apple devices, was RE: pretty exciting

[Daniel Miller]

I'm really starting to agree with  the poster who said something about people  
being entitled, and thinking everything should be free on all platforms if it 
is free on the others. For one thing, I don't think it should be free on Mac 
and Windows. It takes time for them to develop the games, as well as the 
clients and keep them updated. I think they should charge money just like the 
iOS developer is doing. Not only does it support the iOS developer it supports 
RS directly as well.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 6:11 PM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> People will hate me for this... I'm trying it now, but, considering it's free 
> on windows, I'm at a loss, as to why I should pay on IOS, just because kid 
> friendly software produced it. I'll play with windows, ι think, but nice to 
> have this option. maybe I'll write the developers in a while.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2016, at 3:32 pm, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I almost didn't read this because the subject was very vague.  I took a 
>> chance and when I saw that the link was to Blind Bargains, I checked it out.
>> I've not been an RSS games player, but this might be worth checking out.
>> Here is the full text of the article:
>> 
>> RS Games shuts the box on only computer playing, goes Apples to Apples with 
>> iOS
>> Scott Davert yesterday 11:54 PM ET
>> 
>> Earlier today, RS Games announced on Twitter that there is now an iOS 
>> version of its service available. The app, was developed with Kid Friendly 
>> Software features many of the gestures and voice settings found in the 
>> conventional Blindfold series of games.
>> While the app is free, not all games are free to play. The games that are 
>> free include Slots, Blackjack, Pig, and Driedel. All other games come with a 
>> free 7 day trial which starts the first time you launch them, whether you 
>> play them right away or not. Once your trial expires on a specific game, you 
>> can then continue to use it via an in-app purchase. All other games that are 
>> currently on the RS Games Server are available for purchase. The prices on 
>> games ranged from $2.99 for a few of the games, up to $5.99 for monopoly. 
>> There are also bundles available which allows you to save a few dollars. You 
>> can pay for unlimited access to all games for $37.99. After downloading the 
>> app, you will find more details under the upgrades button.
>> 
>> This news will have players excitedly downloading the games, the developers 
>> encourage players to check out the User Guide under the help button before 
>> trying to play. From the limited testing I've done before writing this 
>> article, the gestures appear to work well, and so do the keyboard commands 
>> if quicknav is disabled. Unfortunately, even though there is a setting that 
>> is designed for braille display users, none of the spoken feedback comes up 
>> on the braille display during game play. This was tested under 2 different 
>> iDevices with 2 different braille displays. However, for a 1.0 release, it 
>> seems quite solid based on initial testing.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Gordon
>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 9:12 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: pretty exciting
>> 
>> I haven't seen this out here yet, so I figured I'd post it. If someone 
>> already did, I apologize. http://blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15622
>> 
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Re: RSS Games on the Apple devices, was RE: pretty exciting

[Daniel Miller]

Hi list. While I agree with a lot of what is said here, one thing you guys need 
to realize is RS games itself did not make that happen. They collaborated with 
another developer, which is the main reason why they are charging to play some 
of the games. As everybody knows, developing apps is all costs Lee and 
time-consuming process. Having every thing free just like it is on Mac and 
Windows doesn't help kid friendly software in anyway.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> I totally agree. Nearly $40 for something that’s free on other platforms? You 
> gotta be kidding.
> /Krister
> 
>> 26 juli 2016 kl. 17:13 skrev CrazyEyez :
>> 
>> This isn't worth it.
>> Its terrible that they charge an unreasonable price.
>> Don't buy into this scam, just play for free on your computer..
>> .
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is mentioned in the article. It also mentions that for a one-time 
>>> price of $37 you have unlimited access to all games. We all have to make a 
>>> living and while I am not much into playing games, for somebody who is I 
>>> understand this is not a bad deal.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Jen .
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:42 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: RSS Games on the Apple devices, was RE: pretty exciting
>>> 
>>> hi Yolie thing is it says after seven days you have to pay for the games 
>>> where is on the computer they are free unless I am missing something but 
>>> when I went into each game last night it told me I only had seven days left 
>>> for free to try them out
>>> 
 On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:17 AM, Gordon  wrote:
 
 Sorry I wasn't more specific on the original description. It was a long 
 hot day here in Dallas TX and I was ready to crash for the evening.
 
 
> On 7/26/2016 9:15 AM, christopher huby wrote:
> I must say this is fantastic news and I have just downloaded the app and 
> think It is wonderful as it allows you to play against other people 
> online and to see who is available to play against.
> 
> Thanks for letting us all know about this and thank you and well done to 
> the developers.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Christopher huby
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: 26 July 2016 14:32
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RSS Games on the Apple devices, was RE: pretty exciting
> 
> I almost didn't read this because the subject was very vague.  I took a 
> chance and when I saw that the link was to Blind Bargains, I checked it 
> out.
> I've not been an RSS games player, but this might be worth checking out.
> Here is the full text of the article:
> 
> RS Games shuts the box on only computer playing, goes Apples to 
> Apples with iOS Scott Davert yesterday 11:54 PM ET  Earlier today, RS 
> Games announced on Twitter that there is now an iOS version of its 
> service available. The app, was developed with Kid Friendly Software 
> features many of the gestures and voice settings found in the 
> conventional Blindfold series of games.
> While the app is free, not all games are free to play. The games that are 
> free include Slots, Blackjack, Pig, and Driedel. All other games come 
> with a free 7 day trial which starts the first time you launch them, 
> whether you play them right away or not. Once your trial expires on a 
> specific game, you can then continue to use it via an in-app purchase. 
> All other games that are currently on the RS Games Server are available 
> for purchase. The prices on games ranged from $2.99 for a few of the 
> games, up to $5.99 for monopoly. There are also bundles available which 
> allows you to save a few dollars. You can pay for unlimited access to all 
> games for $37.99. After downloading the app, you will find more details 
> under the upgrades button.
> 
> This news will have players excitedly downloading the games, the 
> developers encourage players to check out the User Guide under the help 
> button before trying to play. From the limited testing I've done before 
> writing this article, the gestures appear to work well, and so do the 
> keyboard commands if quicknav is disabled. Unfortunately, even though 
> there is a setting that is designed for braille display users, none of 
> the spoken feedback comes up on the braille display during game play. 
> This was tested under 2 different iDevices with 2 different braille 
> displays. 

Re: RSS Games on the Apple devices, was RE: pretty exciting

[Daniel Miller]

No. 

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> On Jul 26, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Michael Malver  wrote:
> 
> I have tried to get sighted people to play these games, but they do not like 
> the web interface, and find the lack of graphical user interface on the 
> computer offputting. Does the iPhone version have a graphical user interface?
> 
> Michael
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Gordon  wrote:
>> 
>> Sure, hit enter and it will advance you to enter your password. Enter your 
>> password and hit enter again to login. This is just like playing on your 
>> computer. Use the same username and password you would use on your computer. 
>> Once you are playing a game, dlick up and down to select your cards.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/26/2016 10:28 AM, Nishi wrote:
>>> Can you guys please tell me how to log in to this app as I am not getting 
>>> any button to log in after I type in my user name.
>>> Any help will be appreciated.
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>> Nishi.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 26-Jul-2016, at 7:02 PM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 I almost didn't read this because the subject was very vague.  I took a 
 chance and when I saw that the link was to Blind Bargains, I checked it 
 out.
 I've not been an RSS games player, but this might be worth checking out.
 Here is the full text of the article:
 
 RS Games shuts the box on only computer playing, goes Apples to Apples 
 with iOS
 Scott Davert yesterday 11:54 PM ET
 
 Earlier today, RS Games announced on Twitter that there is now an iOS 
 version of its service available. The app, was developed with Kid Friendly 
 Software features many of the gestures and voice settings found in the 
 conventional Blindfold series of games.
 While the app is free, not all games are free to play. The games that are 
 free include Slots, Blackjack, Pig, and Driedel. All other games come with 
 a free 7 day trial which starts the first time you launch them, whether 
 you play them right away or not. Once your trial expires on a specific 
 game, you can then continue to use it via an in-app purchase. All other 
 games that are currently on the RS Games Server are available for 
 purchase. The prices on games ranged from $2.99 for a few of the games, up 
 to $5.99 for monopoly. There are also bundles available which allows you 
 to save a few dollars. You can pay for unlimited access to all games for 
 $37.99. After downloading the app, you will find more details under the 
 upgrades button.
 
 This news will have players excitedly downloading the games, the 
 developers encourage players to check out the User Guide under the help 
 button before trying to play. From the limited testing I've done before 
 writing this article, the gestures appear to work well, and so do the 
 keyboard commands if quicknav is disabled. Unfortunately, even though 
 there is a setting that is designed for braille display users, none of the 
 spoken feedback comes up on the braille display during game play. This was 
 tested under 2 different iDevices with 2 different braille displays. 
 However, for a 1.0 release, it seems quite solid based on initial testing.
 
 Richard
 
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 Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 9:12 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: pretty exciting
 
 I haven't seen this out here yet, so I figured I'd post it. If someone
 already did, I apologize. http://blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15622
 
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Re: downcast development?

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It still is, he's extremely busy and can't respond to every email. 

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> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I wrote to the developer over a week ago and have not received a response.
> 
> Others have done the same.
> 
> Does anyone know if downcast has stopped being developed?
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Re: The My Verizon App, Major Problems

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Double tap and hold where you see the text above the video controls. It's the 
similar pass through gesture that you have to do sometimes with voiceover if 
swiping with three fingers does not work. It worked perfectly for me, I didn't 
need any cited help getting past the videos.

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> On Jul 25, 2016, at 12:06 AM, Jed Barton <jedbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> i can't figure out how to do this, anyone have some detailed explaination?  
> Man, what a pain
> 
>> On 7/24/2016 9:48 PM, candyrl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I was unable to get past the video.  My sighted husband had to do it for me. 
>>  Once it is done, you won't have a problem any more.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Jed Barton <jedbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i see no page adjuster
>>> 
>>>> On 7/24/2016 1:14 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>> Double tap and hold with one finger until you hear the triple tone then 
>>>> swipe to the left. Keep an eye on the page adjuster down at the bottom. 
>>>> Adjusting that with a voiceover does not actually change what's visually 
>>>> on the screen which is why you have to use the pass-through gesture and 
>>>> swipe swipe through the videos. Once you get past that, you're fine.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 24, 2016, at 1:03 PM, Jed Barton <jedbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, is anyone having any issues with the latest update with the my 
>>>>> verizon app?  When i load it, it wants you to agree to the  terms.  I can 
>>>>> get past that alright, but then there is this stupid video thing, and 
>>>>> it's completely unaccessible after that point  it wants to show you this 
>>>>> video, and i can get no further.  Any ideas?
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Re: The My Verizon App, Major Problems

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Double tap and hold with one finger until you hear the triple tone then swipe 
to the left. Keep an eye on the page adjuster down at the bottom. Adjusting 
that with a voiceover does not actually change what's visually on the screen 
which is why you have to use the pass-through gesture and swipe swipe through 
the videos. Once you get past that, you're fine.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

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> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, is anyone having any issues with the latest update with the my verizon 
> app?  When i load it, it wants you to agree to the  terms.  I can get past 
> that alright, but then there is this stupid video thing, and it's completely 
> unaccessible after that point  it wants to show you this video, and i can get 
> no further.  Any ideas?
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Re: My verizon app

[Daniel Miller]

The app got updated today, yes. However, to take advantage of all of the new 
features, you need to be upgraded to one of the new Verizon plans they 
announced yesterday.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:12 PM, SCOTT VAN GORP  wrote:
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> I had to have help getting past the video tutorial,but once done, things look 
> almost the same. A few of the elements are laid out differently from before.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My verizon app
> 
> After reading this thread, I decided to update it, and find nothing different 
> about it so far.  I have the my account tab selected.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 1:47 PM
> Subject: RE: My verizon app
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I updated to MyVerizonMobile version 5.1.8 this morning. I just opened the 
> app after reading your message, and was on the Home Screen which read Menu 
> and successfully flicked through the Home page, which told me about my last 
> payment, how many days were on my current plan, and other things. Nothing 
> about Videos , but I didn't search much further than that.
> 
> Maybe turn your phone off then on again after removing the app from your 
> switcher, or even after removing from your device..
> 
> Best, Keith
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Of Candy Lowe
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 11:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: My verizon app
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I just updated the my verizon app this morning,  and, if I am not mistaking, 
> it appears to now be unaccessible.  I usually update one device and then 
> check out my updates, but, for some reason, I didn't do that this time.  Has 
> anyone updated and been able to use the app?  I accepted all of the terms 
> and conditions, and then there appears to be a series of videos which show 
> you about the app.  I can't get past that.  If I could, maybe it would be o 
> k.
> 
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Re: Apple Pay for iTunes credit?

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You can use Apple Pay with the Apple Store app, and it will most likely be 
coming to the Apple website in the fall.

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> On Jun 24, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
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> Isn’t it strange how Apple is pushing Apple Pay, they made a deal with 
> Shopify, a popular shopping cart used by many small to mid-size businesses to 
> offer Apple Pay but you can’t use it for iTunes or on the Apple Online Store 
> itself. It’s just as strange as how the iCloud.com website has been around 
> for years now and Apple is apparently doing absolutely nothing to make it 
> more accessible despite their commitment to accessibility in all their other 
> platforms; it makes no sense at all, it’s “not” like magic and definitely it 
> “doesn’t” just work.
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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>  
> That’s a no.
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> Is there a way to add credit to your iTunes account using Apple Pay?
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Re: Apple Pay for iTunes credit?

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That’s a no.
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Re: sling TV and Apple TV question.

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It is, as of Monday. I'm not sure how accessible it is.

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> On Jun 19, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Fred Olver  wrote:
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> Several months ago I attempted to make use of the Sling app for gaining TV 
> access. The one thing that held me back was the inability to access listings 
> for the various channels. Is this access available in or on the current 
> generation Apple TV? 
>  
>  
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Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. Unfortunately, no one is allowed to post anything about purelease software 
on this list. There is however, a beta discussion group that a couple list 
members created. I don't remember the address offhand to subscribe to that 
though.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:24 AM, 'Ming' via VIPhone  
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> Hi all!
> anyone know that any new features in accessibility  side of IOS 10?
> 
> thanks and regards,
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FS: 42mm Apple Watch with link bracelet, and magnetic charging dock, asking $750 or best offer

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Hi list. I've gotten permission to post the following items for sale. I have a 
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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Daniel Miller]

OK, let me rephrase that. I should be able to pick up an android device that 
has Apple Music installed, and ask Google's assistant to play something from 
the Apple Music catalog, since I'm signed into that service via the Apple Music 
app. For them not to have that type of integration seems very walled garden 
like. But that's just my opinion, everybody has one.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 30, 2016, at 6:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Exactly, music services obviously want to make sure they achieve the maximum 
> number of subscribers possible hence it is in Apple's interest to be 
> available on as many platforms as possible. I don't think you can compare 
> Apple's "walled garden" concept which they have for iOS and apps with their 
> music service. As Mary pointed out, Apple Music is available on Android just 
> as there is a google Play Music app for iOS and you can also get an app for 
> Amazon Music including access to Prime Music for iOS and apps for pretty much 
> every other music service out there. In this case I don't think you can 
> accuse Apple of not being open since they could just as well not allow these 
> apps especially now that they have their own subscription based music 
> service. Of course this would probably cause a pretty big backlash by users 
> who prefer Google Play Music, Spotify or another service but who prefer the 
> iOS hardware instead of Android. Amazon Music is also not a real serious 
> competitior since according to the app subscription Amazon Prime members have 
> access to "over one million songs" which is puny compared to the almost 40 
> million songs offered by most of the other services. I guess for people who 
> have Amazon Prime it's a bonuss, I don't even know if Amazon has a 
> subscription based music service only or if it's just what is tied to Amazon 
> Prime which also is not available in many countries.
> Spotify apparently is available on the Amazon Echo via voice commands but 
> only since February this year so I wouldn't be surprised if Apple may have a 
> "skill" for the Amazon Echo to allow for controlling Apple Music via Alexa. 
> Googling this topic does result in some articles which say "does not yet 
> offer Apple Music control via Alexa".
> Then of course it would appear that based on some other articles I saw Apple 
> is getting ready to release a competitor to the echo which is rumoured to 
> include " Next-Gen Natural Language API's" and a camera for facial 
> recognition. Of course what I would love to see as a Sonos user is something 
> which would allow me to have complete voice control over my Sonos system. I 
> could then say "Play Dire Straits from Apple Music in the living room and 
> master bedroom", once it's playing I could then tell Sonos"add kitchen to the 
> currently playing group"... I guess there is always dreaming.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 10:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo
> 
> I agree it would be nice for users if every service was supported equally 
> across all platforms, but remember, you're talking about companies who are 
> offering competing services and products. They aren't going to support their 
> service on a competitors platform unless they think the income from that 
> service will outweigh potential new sales of their own devices. There's no 
> imperative that every company has to support every platform.
> 
>> On 30/05/16 12:26, Mary Otten wrote:
>>  What is missing on the android side for Apple Music experience? Now from an 
>> excess ability point of view, there are some things missing, since there are 
>> some unlabeled buttons there that are not on the iPhone side. So, sloppy 
>> programming by somebody at Apple. And, since, at least from my point of view 
>> of the android interface is not as efficient as Apple, that is also 
>> different. But that is not apples problem. They are going along with the 
>> android conventions which are not as efficient in my view. Anyway, what do 
>> you mean when you say the experience should be the same across all 
>> platforms? I assume you're talking about a general experience, not a 
>> specific accessibility one. Somebody else has already pointed out that other 
>> pay services for music or also not integrated with the Amazon echo. 
>> Therefore, in this case, I do believe that some at least some, of the blame 
>> falls squarely on Amazon.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone

Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Daniel Miller]

Once again, I disagree Mary. Apple needs to loosen up and let Apple Music and 
agree with Amazons Alexa, as well as Google's assistant. Just because the app 
is on android doesn't mean that it's the same experience, and it should be 
across all platforms.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 30, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> You really don't need to mess with the iPhone app to change user profiles. If 
> you have two different people in your household, both of whom have Amazon 
> accounts, each can have a profile on your echo. To change profiles, you 
> simply tell the echo to change from person A to person be profile. The app is 
> unnecessary.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 30, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to 
>> do with the iPhone native music app.
>> 
>> For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
>> listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is 
>> you can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
>> commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
>> playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about 
>> Alexa go to next song.
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
>> Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
>> pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household 
>> members, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks for the help,
>> Traci
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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. I think it's both companies fault. I wish all of these companies could get 
along nicely and let everything integrate with each other. It just shows you 
how honestly Apple is more closed off than any of the others, which is slightly 
annoying to me.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 30, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> I am not so sure if in the case of the Amazon Echo this is only Apple's 
> fault. They are, after all, available on Sonos and I wonder if Amazon 
> wouldn't consider it counter to promoting their own music service. As far as 
> I know Amazon Echo also doesn't integrate with other popular services such as 
> Spotify, Deezer, Tidal etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure while Amazon has 
> these third party integrations that in some cases they want to push their own 
> offering.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Daniel Miller
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo
> 
> Unfortunately, it will not. Those requests only go to Alexa. I wish Apple 
> would get their heads out of their asses, and loosen up a bit as far as 
> letting other platforms integrate with Apple Music, but that probably won't 
> happen when we are alive.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On May 30, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Traci Duncan <our4p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to 
>> do with the iPhone native music app.
>> 
>> For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
>> listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is 
>> you can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
>> commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
>> playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about 
>> Alexa go to next song.
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
>> Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
>> pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household 
>> members, etc.
>> 
>> Thanks for the help,
>> Traci
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Re: iPhone music and Amazon Echo

[Daniel Miller]

Unfortunately, it will not. Those requests only go to Alexa. I wish Apple would 
get their heads out of their asses, and loosen up a bit as far as letting other 
platforms integrate with Apple Music, but that probably won't happen when we 
are alive.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 30, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, hope this question is appropriate for this list, because it has to do 
> with the iPhone native music app.
> 
> For those of you that have an Amazon Echo, what is the experience like 
> listening to your music on your iPhone? The only thing I know for sure is you 
> can use Echo as a bluetooth speaker.  Is there other ways?  Do any voice 
> commands work once iPhone is paired?  For example, Alexa play my Mozart 
> playlist.  Will it play it from my music library on my phone?  How about 
> Alexa go to next song.
> 
> I’ve been trying to Google this question without much success.
>  Secondly, I’ve read now you can have 2 user profiles with the Echo.  Is this 
> pretty user friendly via the iPhone?  Easy to switch between household 
> members, etc.
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> Traci
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Re: Accessible Android lists

[Daniel Miller]

Oh trust me, I don't buy into that. I will admit though, I did have a pretty 
closed mind. In the past, but using it starting to open up my eyes and make me 
realize that I might like it a little more than iOS. That's not to say that 
I'll quit using iOS, I just want to try something different. If this is getting 
to off-topic, we might want to stop responding to this thread since I have 
subscribed to one of those lists. LOL :-)

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 28, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Unless it's changed the Eyes-Free mailing list is a high volume list with a 
> lot of flaming, off topic posts and no moderation. Instead, I'd suggest the 
> VI-Android list, which you can subscribe to by doing the following.
> 
> To subscribe to the list send an email to vi-android-requ...@freelists.org 
> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field.
> 
> BTW, don't buy into statements like Android and accessible are diametrical to 
> each other. Android is quite accessible and quite a few blind people are 
> using it. Keep an open mind, give it a chance yourself, choose whatever you 
> prefer and be glad we have choice and options.
> 
>> On 28/05/16 00:01, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote:
>> Though "android" and "accessible" are diametrical to each other,
>> nevertheless if you believe in such type of thing, join "eyesfree"
>> google group.
>> 
>>> On 5/28/16, Jeff Sipos <jtsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> try eyes-f...@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Daniel Miller
>>> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 3:26 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Accessible Android lists
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I know this is off topic, but I'm looking for an accessible android list.
>>> Does anyone know if such a thing exists?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
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Accessible Android lists

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

I know this is off topic, but I'm looking for an accessible android list. Does 
anyone know if such a thing exists?

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Re: Locking notes

[Daniel Miller]

If you have a device that has touch ID capability, you can use that to unlock 
your notes as well.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 20, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Michael Maslo  wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much
> 
>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 6:43 AM Ryan Mann  wrote:
>> Yes you can.  First, you need to go to Settings, then Notes.  You
>> should find an option to set a password.  Double-tap on that.  The
>> password you put there will be the password for whatever notes you
>> decide to lock.  After that, you can lock a note by doing the
>> following:
>> Open the note you want to lock in the Notes app.
>> Double-tap on Share.
>> Double-tap on Lock Note.
>> I don't know why Apple put it under Share, but that's where it is.
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/20/16, Michael Maslo  wrote:
>> > Hello list, I see you are supposed to be able to lock a note once you have
>> > created it. Am I wrong with this assumption? If I am correct could someone
>> > please explain how to do this or is it automatic? Your help would be
>> > greatly appreciated .
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Re: Today View in Notification Center is completely broken in IOS 9.2.1

[Daniel Miller]

I recommend doing a restore of iOS. If that doesn't fix the problem, you might 
have to set your device up from scratch. I know, that's a pain, but it may be 
necessary.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 20, 2016, at 7:38 AM, Paul Hunt  wrote:
> 
> Hello. I'm using an iPhone 6S and my software is up to date I am not having 
> any difficulty with the today view of the notification Center. I appreciate 
> how frustrating it is when you hit a bug that others can't replicate. If you 
> have Apple care, i suggest that you contact Apple. If you're near an Apple 
> store, you can make a Genius appointment.. 
> 
>> On May 19, 2016, at 10:45 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone successfully use the Today view in Notification Center? I have 
>> deleted everything and put some things back but in the latest update IOS and 
>> VoiceOVer completely crashes in Today View as I hear screen curtain on then 
>> nothing for a few seconds and then screen curtain on once again. If I try 
>> touching or flicking around the screen I get nothing or VO just continues to 
>> repeat the weather until crashing. Today view has never worked on any of my 
>> 3 iPhones since they introduced it. Thanks,
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Re: heavy bug in fb app update

[Daniel Miller]

Interestingly enough that we're getting mixed results whether the  workaround 
works. I guess those of us with the 6S plus are just lucky. :-)

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 16, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I can confirm that the workaround for the search works.
> /Krister
> 
>> 16 maj 2016 kl. 14:44 skrev Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> I am very sorry to tell that it is really not working here at all, even not 
>> in the more tab of the screen.
>> It is eventually a bug!
>> Regards
>> Davy
>>  
>> From: Daniel Miller
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 1:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: heavy bug in fb app update
>>  
>> Hi, yes it does. I just tried it literally two seconds ago, and got it to 
>> work 100% of the time. Double tap and hold on the search field, wait for the 
>> triple tone, then release your finger. Works all the time.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is really not true. Tis workaround does not work here.
>>>  
>>> From: Daniel Miller
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 6:37 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: heavy bug in fb app update
>>>  
>>> hi. That's not true. While voiceover claims the search box is damned, you 
>>> can still double tap and hold and release and it will bring up the keyboard.
>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, May 14, 2016, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi folks
>>>>  
>>>> Do not upgrade to the latest fb app update.
>>>>  
>>>> The search function can nolonger be used for voiceover users.
>>>> Regards
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Re: facebook app

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. There's a workaround. Double tap and hold on the search box, and then 
released your finger when you hear the triple tone from voiceover.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 16, 2016, at 7:46 AM, Afik Sofir  wrote:
> 
> No, you aren't.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Walter Harper
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 2:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: facebook app
> 
> Thanks so much.  I wasn't sure if I was doing something wrong 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Afik Sofir  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, its bug in the app.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Walter Harper
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 2:25 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: facebook app
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Have anyone noticed that when using the facebook app on the Iphone the 
>> search button is dim?  I have tried to reinstall the app an everything.  Can 
>> anyone help?
>> Walter 
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Re: heavy bug in fb app update

[Daniel Miller]

Hi, yes it does. I just tried it literally two seconds ago, and got it to work 
100% of the time. Double tap and hold on the search field, wait for the triple 
tone, then release your finger. Works all the time.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 16, 2016, at 6:54 AM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is really not true. Tis workaround does not work here.
>  
> From: Daniel Miller
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 6:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: heavy bug in fb app update
>  
> hi. That's not true. While voiceover claims the search box is damned, you can 
> still double tap and hold and release and it will bring up the keyboard.
> 
>> On Saturday, May 14, 2016, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi folks
>>  
>> Do not upgrade to the latest fb app update.
>>  
>> The search function can nolonger be used for voiceover users.
>> Regards
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Re: heavy bug in fb app update

[Daniel Miller]

hi. That's not true. While voiceover claims the search box is damned, you
can still double tap and hold and release and it will bring up the keyboard.

On Saturday, May 14, 2016, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

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> Do not upgrade to the latest fb app update.
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> The search function can nolonger be used for voiceover users.
> Regards
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Re: iPhone make a squish sound.

[Daniel Miller]

Ah. I stand corrected then. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 13, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Edmonds, Lucy (LARA) <edmond...@michigan.gov> 
> wrote:
> 
> It’s also on the 6S phone.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Daniel Miller
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 8:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone make a squish sound.
>  
> It's only on the plus sized phones. It's definitely in the accessibility 
> settings though.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
> On May 13, 2016, at 5:24 AM, Monica Jones <coffeega...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> Reachability? I don’t think I’ve run up on that one in accessibility settings.
>  
>  
> From: Daniel Miller
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 9:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone make a squish sound.
>  
> Go to settings, general, accessibility to turn off reachability. What you're 
> doing is double tapping the home button, not pressing but tapping, which 
> slides of the screen down to the bottom of the phone. That allows the top 
> elements of the screen to be reached with one hand.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
> On May 12, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Pinky <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> On my wife’s iPhone 6+ when I rest my finger on the home button I hear a 
> squish sound. My wife says the icon on the page move up then when it makes 
> that sound again they move down. Where do I go to turn that off. I don’t even 
> know what it does. Any ideas?
>  
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Re: iPhone make a squish sound.

[Daniel Miller]

It's only on the plus sized phones. It's definitely in the accessibility 
settings though.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 13, 2016, at 5:24 AM, Monica Jones <coffeega...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> Reachability? I don’t think I’ve run up on that one in accessibility settings.
>  
>  
> From: Daniel Miller
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 9:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone make a squish sound.
>  
> Go to settings, general, accessibility to turn off reachability. What you're 
> doing is double tapping the home button, not pressing but tapping, which 
> slides of the screen down to the bottom of the phone. That allows the top 
> elements of the screen to be reached with one hand.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On May 12, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Pinky <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> On my wife’s iPhone 6+ when I rest my finger on the home button I hear a 
>> squish sound. My wife says the icon on the page move up then when it makes 
>> that sound again they move down. Where do I go to turn that off. I don’t 
>> even know what it does. Any ideas?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ed
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Re: iPhone make a squish sound.

[Daniel Miller]

Go to settings, general, accessibility to turn off reachability. What you're 
doing is double tapping the home button, not pressing but tapping, which slides 
of the screen down to the bottom of the phone. That allows the top elements of 
the screen to be reached with one hand.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 12, 2016, at 9:48 PM, Pinky  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> On my wife’s iPhone 6+ when I rest my finger on the home button I hear a 
> squish sound. My wife says the icon on the page move up then when it makes 
> that sound again they move down. Where do I go to turn that off. I don’t even 
> know what it does. Any ideas?
>  
> Ed
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Re: Smart Keyboardfor the iPad Pro.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. There is a workaround for that, but I can't remember what it is off the top 
of my head. You might want to take a listen to David would bridges podcast on 
Apple this about the iPad Pro. I honestly don't recommend the smart keyboard, I 
recommend the logitech create keyboard case  unless you have the 9.7 inch 
version.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 10, 2016, at 9:17 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have one of these keyboards? I am having a very hard time getting 
> the caps lock plus space bar to work. It won't let me press up and down 
> arrows together to do a one-finger double tap. I have to use VO plus space 
> bar. It is really touchy. Does anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jenn
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Re: Twitterrific Update and push notifications?

[Daniel Miller]

Works fine for me. 

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> On May 4, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Robin Frost  wrote:
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> Hi,
> speaking of twitterrific's recent update:
> Is anyone else noticing that push notifications are not always arriving as 
> compared with other apps via either iDevice or computer?
> for me it isn't as flawless in its push notifications as it used to be. I 
> have reported it to them via twitter and they did mention that Twitter had 
> made a change which necessitated a change to their own push servers. they 
> claim it's fixed but the problem of inconsistent push notifications still 
> persists for me.
> I’m curious if anyone else has had similar experiences?
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Re: Blue tooth keyboard quick navigation keys

[Daniel Miller]

Press Vo+q

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> On Apr 30, 2016, at 2:06 PM, david gross  wrote:
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> I am still learning how to use my new keyboard with my iPhone 6 Plus. Can 
> someone explain to me how to set up the single key quick navigation 
> keystrokes for the web
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Re: some apple TV questions

[Daniel Miller]

Yes, 32 GB is fine. I have the 64 GB, just because I like having the most 
storage capacity available if I can afford. But as far as Apple TV Absco, 32 
should be fine. Each app can only be 200 MB in size, with additional assets 
being downloaded from the cloud as needed.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

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> Hey guys,
> 
> So i know it is a little off topic and i appologize, but i am thinking of 
> getting apple TV.  What size do you  guys have, should the 32 gig be good, do 
> you run a lot of apps on it.  I would guess that the size depends on how many 
> things you wanna store, such as shows?
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Re: Apple Pencil with VoiceOver?

[Daniel Miller]

No, it has no button. Theoretically, you could track the pencil around the 
screen and then double tap with the pencil itself, but that seems redundant and 
not very practical.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Robin Christopherson 
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> Dear listers
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> Thinking about what utility an Apple Pencil could bring to iDevices for VO 
> users, it occurred to me that a way of roaming around the screen and being 
> able to activate an item then and there without having to first lift your 
> finger up and then double-tapping the screen would be very useful. Assuming 
> the Apple Pencil has a button on it (and that may not be a safe assumption at 
> all) then when VO is running that could be used to activate an item under the 
> nib for VO users.
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Re: Apple Pencil with VoiceOver?

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Hi. The Apple pencil is 99% useless with voiceover. The only thing it allows 
you to do is draw letters on the screen for handwriting. As far as the sketches 
go, no, they cannot be interacted with while voiceover is enabled. In fact, you 
can't even draw on the screen without voiceover being disabled.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 24, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> Can you explain what sort of interaction you hope Voiceover will give? Do you 
> mean a sighted person would draw something which a blind person can then 
> explore?
> I just can’t see how drawing something in an app would be of any use to a 
> blind person, but maybe my imagination doesn’t reach that far.
> I guess it would be cool if somebody could draw a map in some app which a 
> blind person can then actually use somehow.
>  
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:43 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Apple Pencil with VoiceOver?
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> Has anyone tried drawing/sketching apps wiht iPad Pro/Apple Pencil to see if 
> the output of drawings can be interacted with using VoiceOver?
> Thanks!
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Re: I need help after updating the 4S please

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. Actually, you need to slide to the right with three fingers, or double tap 
the button that says slide to set up. Keep in mind though, that button will 
change to various languages, since it's a picture of a globe that's on the 
screen.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 19, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> What you need to do after you press the home button is to double tap on the 
> screen then follow the onscreen instructions. Hope this helps.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> Jennie Facer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 4:58 AM -0700, "evergreenwoods66 via VIPhone" 
>  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> I updated my 4S to the latest version. My problem is that now when I press 
>> the home button, it says hello. When I touch the screen it says hello and 
>> other things in different languages. I understand that also says something 
>> about configuration, but I have not idea what I should do. Would anyone 
>> please explain what I have to do? Thanks, Rena 
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Re: Making a purchase from the iTunes Store

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Stacy. What is the artist? I'll try a search for it. 

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Stacy Fuehrer  wrote:
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> Hello everyone. Was trying to make a purchase from the iTunes Store and can't 
> seen to do it anymore. 
> I searched for the artist I want with the search tab, and the only results I 
> get now surround podcasts etc, not the songs or albums they have. 
> What am I doing wrong? 
> Thanks, 
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Re: Wifi calling

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Anna. Actually, it does show on the status bar. It will show whatever 
network you're  on plus the word Wi-Fi.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Woody Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't think it shows in the status bar, but it's worth having on if you 
> spend time in places with good Wi-Fi and bad cellular connections. The phone 
> switches to Wi-Fi when the cellular connection is bad without your having to 
> do anything.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 12:15 AM, candyrl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone, 
>> I have a question about wiFi calling with verizon.  I activated it in 
>> settings.  I put in my location.  The phone setting says that it is on, but, 
>> supposedly it is supposed to show up in the status bar, and voice over 
>> doesn't announce anything about wiFi calling being on.  I showed it to my 
>> sighted husband, and he doesn't see anything in the status bar either.  
>> Is there really any advantage to using this?  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Offline dictation in 9.3

[Daniel Miller]

Sorry, I meant to say that the reason it would most likely wasn't available on 
the iPad air two is having to do with the M9 coprocessor in the success and 6S 
plus. So having a 64-bit capable device doesn't really make a difference.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> And you know that how? Maybe it needs a 64-bit processor. Or maybe you are 
> right. But I always find it interesting when people say that this or that 
> device should be able to handle this or that task. How can they possibly know?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Jim Ruby <j...@blindsea.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Leave it to apple. The 5 should be able to handle this too.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Daniel Miller
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:21 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Offline dictation in 9.3
>> 
>> Hi. Off-line dictation is available on the 6S, 6S fplus, and iPad Pro. It's 
>> not available on any other iOS device. Also, you do not need to download any 
>> off-line dictation files, it just works.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:45 AM, Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing there was in dictation is to turn dictation on or off. I 
>>> also checked in the English keyboard and there was nothing about dictation 
>>> there. Just different layouts of the keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Jenn
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:17 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Offline dictation in 9.3
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That is interesting. This was in a Mac World article.
>>> You checked in Settings, General, Keyboard?
>>> Very odd that they would be that specific and it not be there.
>>> Did you double tap on dictation?
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 7:04 AM, Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>> 
>>>> I just went through all of the settings in the 6S plus, and found no 
>>>> reference to any off line dictation.
>>>> 
>>>> Jenn
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:28 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Offline dictation in 9.3
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I just googled offline dictation in ios, and everything I read said it was 
>>>> only available in the 6s or 6s plus models and that it is not enabled by 
>>>> default. You have to go into the Settings, General, Keyboard, and download 
>>>> the offline dictation files and that is only available for English 
>>>> keyboards.
>>>> So, I for one will never have access to it since I have no need to spend a 
>>>> lot of money on a 6s while my 5s is working just fine.
>>>> And, I prefer the size of the 5s, so when I need to get a new phone one 
>>>> day, the iPhone SE or whatever it is called by then, will be my choice. 
>>>> Who knows, maybe that feature is available in the SE since it has most of 
>>>> the 6s components?
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 11:55 PM, denise avant <denise.av...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I’m wondering if offline dictation is available on the iPad Air 2? I 
>>>>> heard a podcast that said it was only on the iphone. Is this right? Also 
>>>>> can it be used anywhere else besides notes, like ms word?
>>>>> Thanks.
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Re: Offline dictation in 9.3

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. I agree, I hate when people say so in such device should be able to handle 
something, when there's obviously a discrepancy between 32-bit and 64-bit 
devices. I tested off-line dictation on an iPad air two, and it wasn't 
available, which obviously means it needs the 64-bit processor, or the M9 
coprocessor in the 6S, 6S plus or iPad Pro.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 6:24 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> And you know that how? Maybe it needs a 64-bit processor. Or maybe you are 
> right. But I always find it interesting when people say that this or that 
> device should be able to handle this or that task. How can they possibly know?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Jim Ruby <j...@blindsea.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Leave it to apple. The 5 should be able to handle this too.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Daniel Miller
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:21 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Offline dictation in 9.3
>> 
>> Hi. Off-line dictation is available on the 6S, 6S fplus, and iPad Pro. It's 
>> not available on any other iOS device. Also, you do not need to download any 
>> off-line dictation files, it just works.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:45 AM, Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing there was in dictation is to turn dictation on or off. I 
>>> also checked in the English keyboard and there was nothing about dictation 
>>> there. Just different layouts of the keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Jenn
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:17 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Offline dictation in 9.3
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That is interesting. This was in a Mac World article.
>>> You checked in Settings, General, Keyboard?
>>> Very odd that they would be that specific and it not be there.
>>> Did you double tap on dictation?
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 7:04 AM, Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>> 
>>>> I just went through all of the settings in the 6S plus, and found no 
>>>> reference to any off line dictation.
>>>> 
>>>> Jenn
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:28 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Offline dictation in 9.3
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I just googled offline dictation in ios, and everything I read said it was 
>>>> only available in the 6s or 6s plus models and that it is not enabled by 
>>>> default. You have to go into the Settings, General, Keyboard, and download 
>>>> the offline dictation files and that is only available for English 
>>>> keyboards.
>>>> So, I for one will never have access to it since I have no need to spend a 
>>>> lot of money on a 6s while my 5s is working just fine.
>>>> And, I prefer the size of the 5s, so when I need to get a new phone one 
>>>> day, the iPhone SE or whatever it is called by then, will be my choice. 
>>>> Who knows, maybe that feature is available in the SE since it has most of 
>>>> the 6s components?
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 11:55 PM, denise avant <denise.av...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I’m wondering if offline dictation is available on the iPad Air 2? I 
>>>>> heard a podcast that said it was only on the iphone. Is this right? Also 
>>>>> can it be used anywhere else besides notes, like ms word?
>>>>> Thanks.
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Re: An Unfortunate Development in 9.3 Music Player

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. That feature is still there, it just works on the lock screen only. I agree 
it should work within the music app, but at least on the lock screen is 
something. Maybe the fact that it doesn't work in the music app is a bug which 
will be fixed in another version of iOS.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Before 9.3, if I wanted to change the volume in the music player, I 
> discovered a very useful feature that no longer works.  I am aware that I can 
> one-finger swipe up or down to adjust it, after it says adjustable, which 
> changes it by 10 percent.  I can use the combination of one-finger swiping, 
> and the volume buttons, to get close to where I want.  This still works in 
> 9.3.  In the earlier versions, I discovered that if I double tapped and held 
> on the volume icon immediately after it said adjustable, I could slowly roll 
> my finger right or left and adjust it, if I did it carefully enough, by 
> single digit percentages, occasionally by as little as one percent.  I very 
> quickly could adjust it by 3 or 4 percent, which is usually all I wanted.  
> This no longer works, I miss it.
>  
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Re: audio ducking, a possible bug fix and maybe a new feature?

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,
Actually, audio ducking was introduced in I OS 8, I believe. It definitely 
wasn't nine.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 3:31 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi this was in fact introduced in 9.0 and I remember seeing it in the public 
> and even developer betas. So this is not new to 9.3 at all.
>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 12:44, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to the question about Audio Ducking,  I did some digging in settings 
>> and discovered what I think is a bug fix and possibly a new setting, at 
>> least new to me.
>> BTW, the only way to adjust audio ducking is by putting it on the rotor. 
>> First, the bug fix. Before 9.3, Siri would never work through my Apple 
>> Airpods/earphones.
>> I tried using Siri to get to the VoiceOver settings, forgetting that Siri 
>> hadn't worked when using my earphones; and wala, Siri worked just fine.
>> Now, the new feature to me at least.
>> In the Accessibility settings, there is a keyboard setting that is different 
>> than the regular keyboard setting under General. In the accessibility 
>> keyboard, the first item is "Key Repeat." This defaults to on. Double tap it 
>> and you find that it enables holding down a key to have it repeat and you 
>> can set how long you hold the key before it repeats, etc.
>> Or, you can turn it off.
>> I had not seen this setting before.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. Cook did not say anything about the swipe a gesture during the 
presentation. I'm not sure where you're getting that information.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 12:16 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Maybe that’s why some can get the four finger swipe with VO to work and some 
> can’t. Maybe it only works on the newest phone. Has anyone here been able to 
> use the four finger swipe with older phones?
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, we tried all of those methods, with no luck.
>> It could also be that feature is specific to the 6S and 6S Plus, since 
>> sighted users do have a way to switch between apps with 3D Touch, but that's 
>> just a theory.Sent from my iPad Pro
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>> 
>>> did you and your roommate try a regular swipe, or swiping with two or three 
>>> fingers to switch apps? My guess is that the feature is available to 
>>> everyone but only requires four fingers if VoiceOVer is running.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Sighted users simply slide their finger from left to right to change the 
>>>> volume.
>>>> As far as the 4-finger swipe gesture, the AppleVis podcast is incorrect. I 
>>>> live with a sighted roommate, and we both can confirm that gesture is only 
>>>> available when VoiceOver is running.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do 
>>>>> non-rotor users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or 
>>>>> sometimes a pop-up button), that requires rotor gestures from us?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
>>>>> only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
>>>>> when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
>>>>> so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
>>>>> point.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>>>>>> I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sandy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
>>>>>>> tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
>>>>>>> get what you want ...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
>>>>>>> you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
>>>>>>> can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
>>>>>>> is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
>>>>>>> easily as we can.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
>>>>>>>> voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
>>>>>>>> that mainstream users don't.
>

Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

Yes, we tried all of those methods, with no luck.
It could also be that feature is specific to the 6S and 6S Plus, since sighted 
users do have a way to switch between apps with 3D Touch, but that's just a 
theory.Sent from my iPad Pro

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> did you and your roommate try a regular swipe, or swiping with two or three 
> fingers to switch apps? My guess is that the feature is available to everyone 
> but only requires four fingers if VoiceOVer is running.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sighted users simply slide their finger from left to right to change the 
>> volume.
>> As far as the 4-finger swipe gesture, the AppleVis podcast is incorrect. I 
>> live with a sighted roommate, and we both can confirm that gesture is only 
>> available when VoiceOver is running.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do 
>>> non-rotor users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or 
>>> sometimes a pop-up button), that requires rotor gestures from us?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3
>>> 
>>> No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
>>> only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
>>> when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
>>> so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
>>> point.
>>> 
>>>> On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>>>> I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?
>>>> 
>>>> Sandy
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
>>>>> tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
>>>>> get what you want ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
>>>>> you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
>>>>> can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
>>>>> is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
>>>>> easily as we can.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carol P
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>>> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
>>>>>> voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
>>>>>> that mainstream users don't.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
>>>>>> <<mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
>>>>>>> is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
>>>>>>> anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this
>>>>>>> feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be
>>>>>>> surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature that
>>>>>>> the mainstream does not have.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Christina
>>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It is new and 9.3.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>

Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

Sighted users simply slide their finger from left to right to change the volume.
As far as the 4-finger swipe gesture, the AppleVis podcast is incorrect. I live 
with a sighted roommate, and we both can confirm that gesture is only available 
when VoiceOver is running.

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Flor Lynch <florl...@iol.ie> wrote:
> 
> So, here's something I've wanted to ask for quite a while. What do non-rotor 
> users do to, say, adjust the value on a volume button (or sometimes a pop-up 
> button), that requires rotor gestures from us?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mega discovery in 9.3
> 
> No, I'm pretty sure the roter is a VoiceOver feature, and I believe it's
> only documented in the VoiceOver section of the manual. I don't think,
> when you perform the roter jesture, that anything on the screen changes,
> so there'd be nothing for a non-VoiceOver user to interact with at that
> point.
> 
>> On 24/03/16 06:00, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone wrote:
>> I may be wrong about this, but… Do  non voice-over users have a rotor?
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 24 Mar 2016, at 00:08, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think we have another feature, of using the three finger quadruple
>>> tap when capturing text. On some pages there's just no other way to
>>> get what you want ...
>>> 
>>> In case anyone hasn't discovered this, it's useful, for example, when
>>> you have to enter a code. Once you hear just the code you want, you
>>> can then do this gesture and copy it into pasteboard (which I assume
>>> is the same as the clipboard) and paste it where required.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps I am wrong and sighted people can do this, but perhaps not so
>>> easily as we can.
>>> 
>>> No doubt, someone will enlighten me!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> 
>>>> On 23/03/2016 21:51, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>> Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use
>>>> voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature
>>>> that mainstream users don't.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.
>>>> <<mailto:blindmaclo...@gmail.com>blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this
>>>>> is also available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that
>>>>> anywhere on the internet. I know lots of people who would love this
>>>>> feature on their iPhone who does not use voice over. I’d be
>>>>> surprised to know that voice Over users have a new cool feature that
>>>>> the mainstream does not have.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Christina
>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is new and 9.3.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson
>>>>>> <robin.christopher...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:robin.christopher...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dear listers
>>>>>>> You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been
>>>>>>> in iOS forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least,
>>>>>>> swiping left or right with four fingers switches between running
>>>>>>> apps. I know this has worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but
>>>>>>> wasn’t aware it was available on the phone. Enjoy!
>>>>>>> Thanks, Robin
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Offline dictation in 9.3

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. Off-line dictation is available on the 6S, 6S fplus, and iPad Pro. It's not 
available on any other iOS device. Also, you do not need to download any 
off-line dictation files, it just works.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:45 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> The only thing there was in dictation is to turn dictation on or off. I also 
> checked in the English keyboard and there was nothing about dictation there. 
> Just different layouts of the keyboard.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:17 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Offline dictation in 9.3
> 
> 
> That is interesting. This was in a Mac World article.
> You checked in Settings, General, Keyboard?
> Very odd that they would be that specific and it not be there.
> Did you double tap on dictation?
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 7:04 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> I just went through all of the settings in the 6S plus, and found no 
>> reference to any off line dictation.
>> 
>> Jenn
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:28 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Offline dictation in 9.3
>> 
>> 
>> I just googled offline dictation in ios, and everything I read said it was 
>> only available in the 6s or 6s plus models and that it is not enabled by 
>> default. You have to go into the Settings, General, Keyboard, and download 
>> the offline dictation files and that is only available for English keyboards.
>> So, I for one will never have access to it since I have no need to spend a 
>> lot of money on a 6s while my 5s is working just fine.
>> And, I prefer the size of the 5s, so when I need to get a new phone one day, 
>> the iPhone SE or whatever it is called by then, will be my choice. Who 
>> knows, maybe that feature is available in the SE since it has most of the 6s 
>> components?
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPhone 5S)
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 11:55 PM, denise avant  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I’m wondering if offline dictation is available on the iPad Air 2? I heard 
>>> a podcast that said it was only on the iphone. Is this right? Also can it 
>>> be used anywhere else besides notes, like ms word?
>>> Thanks.
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Re: Mega discovery in 9.3

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. I can confirm that this is not available to people who do not use 
voiceover. So yes, people who use voiceover have access to a feature that 
mainstream users don't.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t updated yet to try the four finger swipe but I heard this is also 
> available to non voice Over users. I can’t find that anywhere on the 
> internet. I know lots of people who would love this feature on their iPhone 
> who does not use voice over. I’d be surprised to know that voice Over users 
> have a new cool feature that the mainstream does not have.
> 
> Christina
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> It is new and 9.3.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Robin Christopherson 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear listers
>>>  
>>> You’re probably all going to come back and tell me this has been in iOS 
>>> forever but I’ve just discovered that, on my 6S at least, swiping left or 
>>> right with four fingers switches between running apps. I know this has 
>>> worked on an iPad Air 2 for a while but wasn’t aware it was available on 
>>> the phone. Enjoy!
>>>  
>>> Thanks, Robin
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Re: iOS 9.3, Apple Music and iTunes Match

[Daniel Miller]

It is, but with Apple Music you get DRM copies, as opposed to iTunes match 
which isn't DRM.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I thought this was also included for Apple Music subscribers.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 9.3, Apple Music and iTunes Match
> 
> With itunes match, any music you have ripped or acquired is matched with the 
> apple server library and, if a better copy is found, you are linked to it.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 10:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iOS 9.3, Apple Music and iTunes Match
> 
> I don't have an answer, but just out of curiocity, if you subscribe to Apple 
> Music isn't subscribing to iTunes Match duplication?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 6:16 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: iOS 9.3, Apple Music and iTunes Match
> 
> Greetings all. I updated my iPhone 6S to iOS 9.3 last night. Last fall I had 
> signed up for iTunes Match in order to keep all my songs in a digital locker 
> in the cloud and take with me to future phones. I've done several iOS updates 
> since then without a problem. Last night though, to my utter shock, nearly 
> all of the 4,200 songs in my collection, along with the around 800 songs that 
> I have added to playlists from Apple Music, had disappeared. Over the last 
> few months, I have setup several playlists for different things, like love 
> songs, worship music, Christmas music, and "all songs" which has everything 
> in my collection. It was quite a shock to see the All Songs playlist go from 
> around 4,200 songs to 139 songs, or the Hard and Heavy playlist go from 330 
> songs to just 2 songs. I've got the 4,200 songs on an external drive, but not 
> the Apple Music that I've saved. I've spent a long time tediously deleting 
> what I don't want from my collection and don't look forward to doing it all 
> over again. Short of doing a complete restore, does anyone have any ideas how 
> I can get my music back from iTunes Match? I'm not sure if this is specific 
> to iTunes Match or Apple Music since I subscribe to both. Whatever the case, 
> it is extremely frustrating and makes me wonder if iTunes Match is worth the 
> time, especially if the songs are going to suddenly disappear after 5 or 6 
> months.
> 
> On a related note, does anyone use Google Play Music and if so how do you 
> like it? What do you like and not like about Play Music? It looks similar to 
> the Apple offerings, except that with Play Music, you can store up to 50,000 
> songs for free. That alone is tempting.
> 
> Best,
> Wayne
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Re: apple tv 4 and mlb

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

He's talking about the latest update to the MLB app that was released for the 
4th generation Apple TV on March 9th.
He's correct, though, the newest version is a complete redesigned app, which 
has a somewhat inaccessible schedule screen. Hopefully they'll fix it in an 
update before the regular season starts in April.

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Larry, when I access the AppleTV MLB package, I see today's games and choose 
> that. And then see the schedule. If I choose game day audio, I also see 
> today's games. Is that what you're looking for are you are you looking for 
> individual team schedules?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Larry McCreary  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> With the newest update to the mlb app on apple tv the schedule is not 
>> accessible.  Instead of team names there are team logos.  I am using the 
>> apple 4th generation.  If someone can help with this problem I would 
>> appreciate it much.  The app before the update had the team names.
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Re: mlb 4th generation apple tv

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. Yes, you do need the MLB at Bad app installed on your Apple TV. You also 
need to be paying for MLB TV or at bat.

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> On Mar 2, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Larry McCreary  wrote:
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> Hello,
> I am attempting to use the mlb schedule and having difficulty.  I can see one 
> game but can’t find the others.  I can’t get audio on the game found.  Also 
> how do I tell which games are televised?  I don’t think I need to install a 
> mlb app.
> Thanks for help.
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Re: Accessible youtube app for iPhone

[Daniel Miller]

Try YouPlayer. 

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> On Feb 28, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Cher Bosch  wrote:
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> I read further and saw that the app he recommended no longer works with IOS9. 
> Looking for accessible, safe alternative.
>  
> Cher
>  
>  
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> Cher Bosch
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 4:36 PM
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> Subject: Accessible youtube app for iPhone
>  
> I want to get a youtube video on our phones- and according to
> http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/apple/how-download-youtube-videos-iphone-or-ipad-summary-3623759/
> the first step is to get an app. They suggest
> free Video Downloader Super Lite app
> or a similar third-party app
>  
> Is this one accessible?
>  
> Also, is there any other way through iTunes for example, to get a video on 
> your phone? Thanks.
>  
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Re: changing credit cards for the app and iTunes store

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

Go to settings>app and iTunes toes. Tap on your apple ID, then tap view apple 
ID. Enter your password, and on that screen there’s a link for payment 
information.

> On Feb 25, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
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> Can someone tell me how to do this? My phone is a 5s with the latest 
> software. I looked in settings and couldn’t figure it out.
> 
> Thanks
> Marie Lyons
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Re: audio at a live hockey game

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Use the tunein radio or the nhl apps. 

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> On Feb 25, 2016, at 12:33 AM, R VanLant  wrote:
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> Occasionally I go to Colorado Avalanche hockey  games at the big stadium in 
> Denver.   A blind friend told me that he listens to the game via a live 
> broadcast on a small AM radio when he goes to the game.  Rather than buying a 
> little radio, is there an app I can use on my phone to tune into that AM 
> signal or would I possibly need to see if the AM station puts a feed on a 
> website?I do not otherwise listen to the radio, so this is probably the 
> only thing I’d be trying to listen  to.
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Re: apple music and family sharing

[Daniel Miller]

The only thing you can't share is somebody else's music library. You can share 
purchases, such as purchased music, TV shows, movies, books, and apps.

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> On Feb 6, 2016, at 1:04 PM, don bishop <w6...@donbishop.org> wrote:
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> So, what you're saying is that you can take advantage of the family sharing 
> pricing structure, but you can't share the other's purchases or apple music 
> library. Oh thell! 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
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> Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:58 am
> Subject: Re: apple music and family sharing
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi. One of you needs to add the other two family sharing. After that's done, 
>> one of you needs to switch your Apple Music membership to a family 
>> membership, not individual. You can't share Apple Music libraries though, 
>> you each get your own personalized one. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Hi all, 
>>> My wife and I both have apple music and also family sharing. 
>>> My question: how can we share each others apple music and also music 
>>> purchases from the itunes store. I'm sure there's a way. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Don
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Re: apple music and family sharing

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Hi. One of you needs to add the other two family sharing. After that's done, 
one of you needs to switch your Apple Music membership to a family membership, 
not individual. You can't share Apple Music libraries though, you each get your 
own personalized one. 

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi all, 
> My wife and I both have apple music and also family sharing. 
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Re: I was able to listen to an archived audio feed in the NFL Mobile app.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Alan. The app works perfectly fine on an iPad, but crashes on my 6S plus.

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> On Jan 28, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Alan Paganelli  
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> I have the latest version of iOS and all it's updates and the NFL app now 
> works.  Finally.  Now if they don't screw it up again we'll be just fine.
> 
> 
> Alan
> 
> Sent from my iPad Air
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Kevin Minor  wrote:
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>> Hi.
>>  
>> I’m not sure which version of the NFL Mobile app I’m using.  I have auto 
>> updates on, so I’m not sure.  All I know is the app prompted me, asking me 
>> if I wanted to allow some stuff sent to me.  Also, I haven’t updated my 
>> iPhone to the latest iOs, so perhaps that makes a difference.
>>  
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Re: I was able to listen to an archived audio feed in the NFL Mobile app.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

That’s kind of hilarious, since I can’t even get the app to open on my phone, 
yet it works on my iPad. You’re using version 12.4.0, right?

> On Jan 27, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Kevin Minor  wrote:
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> Hi.
>  
> I was planning on lying down and getting some sleep, since I got very little 
> last night.  Just for fun I decided to see if I could pull up the Cardinals 
> Panthers game that was played on Sunday.  I did it!  It’s not as easy as it 
> used to be, but I did it with VoiceOver!  What I did was to launch the app.  
> I knew something was different, because it asked me if I wanted notifications 
> and something else.  After getting through that, the app loaded.  The TABS on 
> the bottom are pretty close to what was there before, except Super Bowl is 
> there instead of Games.  I selected that TAB and explored the screen.  Here’s 
> where things get interesting.  If I remember, you can choose the week of the 
> season you want.  Below these are the playoffs, the Pro Bowl and this year’s 
> Super Bowl.  Now, if I remember, below this is a list of all the past Super 
> Bowls, the scores of the games and the MVP of each game.  I tried to double 
> tap on a past Super Bowl to see if I could get into settings for it, but I 
> couldn’t, which means that either this information is just for show, or 
> VoiceOver can’t access it.  Then I went back to where you can choose a week 
> from this season, and I double tapped on the Conference Championship week.  
> Now comes the fun.  I don’t know if I wasn’t waiting long enough or if you 
> have to move around the screen to find what you want, but it didn’t work for 
> me right away.  Finally I was able to find the game I wanted, in this case 
> the Cardinals Panthers game.  I double tapped on it, and then things were as 
> they used to be on the app.  It took a while for stuff to load, but I finally 
> got to where I could choose the Panthers audio feed.  I double tapped on it, 
> expecting that it wouldn’t work, but, as Gomer Pyle said, “SURPRISE, 
> SURPRISE, SURPRISE!”  The Glorious audio of the Panthers’ feed came blasting 
> out of my iPhone.
>  
> I’m happy.  I can finally hear the Panthers’ announcers version of this great 
> game, and who knows, I might even tune into the Cardinals’ feed to hear how 
> it sounded to them.
>  
> Just sharing.  I hope others give it a try, and if you can figure out easier 
> ways to accomplish what I did, I’d really appreciate learning about them.
>  
> Have a great day, and don’t work too hard.
>  
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Re: I was able to listen to an archived audio feed in the NFL Mobile app.

[Daniel Miller]

Who knows, but all I know is it crashes when I open it on my 6S Plus.
> On Jan 27, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Kevin Minor  wrote:
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> Hi.
>  
> I’m not sure which version of the NFL Mobile app I’m using.  I have auto 
> updates on, so I’m not sure.  All I know is the app prompted me, asking me if 
> I wanted to allow some stuff sent to me.  Also, I haven’t updated my iPhone 
> to the latest iOs, so perhaps that makes a difference.
>  
> Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: Magic Apple keyboard

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. They're kind of the same as any other Bluetooth keyboard.

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Re: Apple music: why am I being asked to join when I have already joined?

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Hi. They're having issues right now. Apparently a bunch of people are being 
asked to join.

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> added and could not be downloaded.
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> downloading, but I am getting a screen that is asking me to join apple
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