Re: Questions about face ID

2019-08-10 Thread Anthony Vece
Hi everyone; number for Apple Accessibility is 1-800-204-3930 here in the 
United States

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On Aug 10, 2019, at 12:48 PM, Brian K. Lingard  wrote:
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> Dear Chermeen & List:
> Call Apple Accessibility Desk +1 877-304-3930. There may be a way of having 
> an alternate view of your face recorded for Identification'
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> Brian K. Lingard
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> Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:10 AM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Questions about face ID
> 
> Hello all your knowledgeable people,
> 
> So, for work, I've been given an iPhone X. As you know, the only ways to 
> unlock the phone are through a passcode (which I find obnoxious at the best 
> of times) or Face ID, which I frankly felt was apple's way of solving a 
> problem that most people didn't find existed, but that's of little 
> consequence given that I have to use this phone now. You get what you get and 
> you don't get upset and all that sort of thing.
> 
> That said, I struggled tremendously to even set up face ID. I did my best to 
> follow the verbal instructions, but somehow never managed to tilt my head 
> just so or follow the arrow that was supposed to tell me what to do. I ended 
> up selecting an "accessibility" button that seemed to mean that it didn't 
> need to get my face from as many angles as it might have from a sighted 
> person, but then I also find that I need to be holding my phone just so in 
> order for it to recognize my face. For example, I know I can't be the only 
> person who sleeps with her phone next to the pillow at night. Upon waking up, 
> before even acknowledging my consciousness, my hand is drifting up to my 
> phone to either check the time or to check e-mail or get my next digital 
> dopamine hit, and my phone is certainly not up above my face. How are those 
> you using face ID managing this? do you just sit up all alert and bright-eyed 
> before using your phone? can face ID be anything other than irritating? Is it 
> possible to have your phone next to your pillow, turn your face towards it, 
> and have it unlocked? I even thought of getting a sighted person to help me 
> set it up in the detailed way it wants, but is that even possible? will it 
> not then just start scanning the sighted person's face? oh my.
> 
> Thanks in advance, and I am missing the fingerprint option so much, if you 
> couldn't tell.
> 
> Shereen
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RE: Questions about face ID

2019-08-10 Thread Brian K. Lingard
Dear Chermeen & List:
Call Apple Accessibility Desk +1 877-304-3930. There may be a way of having an 
alternate view of your face recorded for Identification'

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Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:10 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Questions about face ID

Hello all your knowledgeable people,

So, for work, I've been given an iPhone X. As you know, the only ways to unlock 
the phone are through a passcode (which I find obnoxious at the best of times) 
or Face ID, which I frankly felt was apple's way of solving a problem that most 
people didn't find existed, but that's of little consequence given that I have 
to use this phone now. You get what you get and you don't get upset and all 
that sort of thing.

That said, I struggled tremendously to even set up face ID. I did my best to 
follow the verbal instructions, but somehow never managed to tilt my head just 
so or follow the arrow that was supposed to tell me what to do. I ended up 
selecting an "accessibility" button that seemed to mean that it didn't need to 
get my face from as many angles as it might have from a sighted person, but 
then I also find that I need to be holding my phone just so in order for it to 
recognize my face. For example, I know I can't be the only person who sleeps 
with her phone next to the pillow at night. Upon waking up, before even 
acknowledging my consciousness, my hand is drifting up to my phone to either 
check the time or to check e-mail or get my next digital dopamine hit, and my 
phone is certainly not up above my face. How are those you using face ID 
managing this? do you just sit up all alert and bright-eyed before using your 
phone? can face ID be anything other than irritating? Is it possible to have 
your phone next to your pillow, turn your face towards it, and have it 
unlocked? I even thought of getting a sighted person to help me set it up in 
the detailed way it wants, but is that even possible? will it not then just 
start scanning the sighted person's face? oh my.

Thanks in advance, and I am missing the fingerprint option so much, if you 
couldn't tell.

Shereen

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Re: Questions about face ID

2019-08-06 Thread Keith Bierman
https://www.zdnet.com/article/iphone-xs-face-id-how-does-it-handle-beards-makeup-wrinkles-apple-explains/

Keith Bierman
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Re: Questions about face ID

2019-08-06 Thread Keith Bierman
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:20 PM Wayne Merritt  wrote:

> ...What I was wondering is how does it do
> with facial hair?
>

I wear a full beard, which often grows or shrinks by wide margins. It's
never been an issue. perhaps the infrared penetrates facial hair.

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Re: Questions about face ID

2019-08-06 Thread Michaelmaslo04
 
 

 Hello,
 

 
Their will be no issues with facial hair. I do not shave every day and have no 
issues whatsoever. Regarding to the mask, I am unsure of that. I wear sun 
glasses and have no problems with that. Of course that is not a mask so I am 
unsure.  
 
 
 
 
 Sincerely,, mike 

 
 
 

 
 
>  
> On Aug 6, 2019 at 14:20,  mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
>  
>  
>  
>  While we're talking Face ID, I have an additional question. I will be 
> upgrading in about a month to a 10 series phone, or whatever the 
> newest is, and have been wondering about something. I sleep with a 
> CPAP machine for help breathing over night. I don't think the phone 
> could recognize my face when wearing the full mask the machine 
> requires, which I am fine with. What I was wondering is how does it do 
> with facial hair? I shave a couple of times per week, and depending on 
> the day, can be clean shaven or have a more or less full beard and 
> mustache. Would Face ID be fooled by my beard and mustache if they 
> were not there when I first scanned my face? I am comfortable with 
> using Braille Screen Input, so writing the pass code in is not a huge 
> issue. This may be something others want to consider as well, 
> depending on how much Braille you know. 
>
> Wayne 
>
> On 8/6/19, Michaelmaslo04wrote: 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  Hello, 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  I sleep with my phone all the time. I never have any trouble unlocking it 
> >  when I get up. The conveniences for me are unspeakable 
> >  
> >  I was able to set up my phone without any difficulties at all. I am 
> > totally 
> >  blind and no issues were had 
> >  
> >  I personally would never go back to finger print access but that is me. 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  Sincerely,, mike 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >>  
> >>  On Aug 6, 2019 at 10:09,  mailto:shermee...@gmail.com)>  
> >>  wrote: 
> >>  
> >>  
> >>  
> >>  Hello all you knowledgeable people, 
> >>  
> >>  So for work, I've been given an iPhone X. As you know, the only ways 
> >>  to unlock the phone are through a passcode (which I find obnoxious at 
> >>  the best of times) or Face ID, which I frankly felt was apple's way of 
> >>  solving a problem that most people didn't find existed, but that's of 
> >>  little consequence given that I have to use this phone now. You get 
> >>  what you get and you don't get upset and all that sort of thing. 
> >>  
> >>  That said, I struggled tremendously to even set up face ID. I did my 
> >>  best to follow the verbal instructions, but somehow never managed to 
> >>  tilt my head just so or follow the arrow that was supposed to tell me 
> >>  what to do. I ended up selecting an "accessibility" button that seemed 
> >>  to mean that it didn't need to get my face from as many angles as it 
> >>  might have from a sighted person, but then I also find that I need to 
> >>  be holding my phone just so in order for it to recognize my face. For 
> >>  example, I know I can't be the only person who sleeps with her phone 
> >>  next to the pillow at night. Upon waking up, before even acknowledging 
> >>  my consciousness, my hand is drifting up to my phone to either check 
> >>  the time or to check e-mail or get my next digital dopamine hit, and 
> >>  my phone is certainly not up above my face. How are those you using 
> >>  face ID managing this? do you just sit up all alert and bright-eyed 
> >>  before using your phone? can face ID be anything other than 
> >>  irritating? Is it possible to have your phone next to your pillow, 
> >>  turn your face towards it, and have it unlock? I even thought of 
> >>  getting a sighted person to help me set it up in the detailed way it 
> >>  wants, but is that even possible? will it not then just start scanning 
> >>  the sighted person's face? oh my. 
> >>  
> >>  Thanks in advance, and I am missing the fingerprint option so much, if 
> >>  you couldn't tell. 
> >>  
> >>  Shermeen 
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Re: Questions about face ID

2019-08-06 Thread Wayne Merritt
While we're talking Face ID, I have an additional question. I will be
upgrading in about a month to a 10 series phone, or whatever the
newest is, and have been wondering about something. I sleep with a
CPAP machine for help breathing over night. I don't think the phone
could recognize my face when wearing the full mask the machine
requires, which I am fine with. What I was wondering is how does it do
with facial hair? I shave a couple of times per week, and depending on
the day, can be clean shaven or have a more or less full beard and
mustache. Would Face ID be fooled by my beard and mustache if they
were not there when I first scanned my face? I am comfortable with
using Braille Screen Input, so writing the pass code in is not a huge
issue. This may be something others want to consider as well,
depending on how much Braille you know.

Wayne

On 8/6/19, Michaelmaslo04  wrote:
>
>
>
>  Hello,
>
>
>
> I sleep with my phone all the time. I never have any trouble unlocking it
> when I get up. The conveniences for me are unspeakable
>
> I was able to set up my phone without any difficulties at all. I am totally
> blind and no issues were had
>
> I personally would never go back to finger print access but that is me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Sincerely,, mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2019 at 10:09,  mailto:shermee...@gmail.com)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>  Hello all you knowledgeable people,
>>
>> So for work, I've been given an iPhone X. As you know, the only ways
>> to unlock the phone are through a passcode (which I find obnoxious at
>> the best of times) or Face ID, which I frankly felt was apple's way of
>> solving a problem that most people didn't find existed, but that's of
>> little consequence given that I have to use this phone now. You get
>> what you get and you don't get upset and all that sort of thing.
>>
>> That said, I struggled tremendously to even set up face ID. I did my
>> best to follow the verbal instructions, but somehow never managed to
>> tilt my head just so or follow the arrow that was supposed to tell me
>> what to do. I ended up selecting an "accessibility" button that seemed
>> to mean that it didn't need to get my face from as many angles as it
>> might have from a sighted person, but then I also find that I need to
>> be holding my phone just so in order for it to recognize my face. For
>> example, I know I can't be the only person who sleeps with her phone
>> next to the pillow at night. Upon waking up, before even acknowledging
>> my consciousness, my hand is drifting up to my phone to either check
>> the time or to check e-mail or get my next digital dopamine hit, and
>> my phone is certainly not up above my face. How are those you using
>> face ID managing this? do you just sit up all alert and bright-eyed
>> before using your phone? can face ID be anything other than
>> irritating? Is it possible to have your phone next to your pillow,
>> turn your face towards it, and have it unlock? I even thought of
>> getting a sighted person to help me set it up in the detailed way it
>> wants, but is that even possible? will it not then just start scanning
>> the sighted person's face? oh my.
>>
>> Thanks in advance, and I am missing the fingerprint option so much, if
>> you couldn't tell.
>>
>> Shermeen
>>
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Re: Questions about face ID

2019-08-06 Thread Michaelmaslo04
 
 

 Hello,
 

 
I sleep with my phone all the time. I never have any trouble unlocking it when 
I get up. The conveniences for me are unspeakable
 
I was able to set up my phone without any difficulties at all. I am totally 
blind and no issues were had
 
I personally would never go back to finger print access but that is me.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Sincerely,, mike 

 
 
 

 
 
>  
> On Aug 6, 2019 at 10:09,  mailto:shermee...@gmail.com)>  
> wrote:
>  
>  
>  
>  Hello all you knowledgeable people, 
>
> So for work, I've been given an iPhone X. As you know, the only ways 
> to unlock the phone are through a passcode (which I find obnoxious at 
> the best of times) or Face ID, which I frankly felt was apple's way of 
> solving a problem that most people didn't find existed, but that's of 
> little consequence given that I have to use this phone now. You get 
> what you get and you don't get upset and all that sort of thing. 
>
> That said, I struggled tremendously to even set up face ID. I did my 
> best to follow the verbal instructions, but somehow never managed to 
> tilt my head just so or follow the arrow that was supposed to tell me 
> what to do. I ended up selecting an "accessibility" button that seemed 
> to mean that it didn't need to get my face from as many angles as it 
> might have from a sighted person, but then I also find that I need to 
> be holding my phone just so in order for it to recognize my face. For 
> example, I know I can't be the only person who sleeps with her phone 
> next to the pillow at night. Upon waking up, before even acknowledging 
> my consciousness, my hand is drifting up to my phone to either check 
> the time or to check e-mail or get my next digital dopamine hit, and 
> my phone is certainly not up above my face. How are those you using 
> face ID managing this? do you just sit up all alert and bright-eyed 
> before using your phone? can face ID be anything other than 
> irritating? Is it possible to have your phone next to your pillow, 
> turn your face towards it, and have it unlock? I even thought of 
> getting a sighted person to help me set it up in the detailed way it 
> wants, but is that even possible? will it not then just start scanning 
> the sighted person's face? oh my. 
>
> Thanks in advance, and I am missing the fingerprint option so much, if 
> you couldn't tell. 
>
> Shermeen 
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Re: Questions about face ID

2019-08-06 Thread Shermeen Khan
You know, I hadn't thought of instances like riding a bike or wearing
gloves, so I'll concede that point haha. I also didn't know that it
actually gets better over time, and that it somehow tracks attempts
that have been confirmed through a password. I do have it lying flat
on my bed next to me when it charges, and do not have "must pay
attention" enabled, as I thought it'd be an easier unlock if I wasn't
required to make eye contact with the screen.

I'm heartened that it's been working out for you, though. This gives me hope.
Shermeen


On 8/6/19, Keith Bierman  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:10 AM Shermeen Khan  wrote:
>
>> ..that most people didn't find existed,
>
>
> There are certainly good use-cases. For example, when doing something which
> occupies one's hands (say riding a bicycle, perhaps a tandem as the
> "pusher")  the combination of voice and face are quite handy. Another use
> case is when it's cold enough to be wearing heavy gloves
> ...n that I have to use this phone now. You get
>
>> what you get and you don't get upset and all that sort of thing.
>>
> If the published rumors about the next iPhone are correct,
> fingerprint+faceID may be in the cards in a month. If so, perhaps you can
> arrange for a swap. Some corporate plans are more generous (or there's
> someone who needs an update/replacement of an older model) ..
>
>> the time or to check e-mail or get my next digital dopamine hit, and
>> my phone is certainly not up above my face. How are those you using
>> face ID managing this?
>
>
> If you've put it on a stand (many inductive chargers around $20-$30), just
> rolling over and looking at it can suffice. Indeed, if you've left it in
> "requires attention mode" opening just one eye suffices!  There's an apple
> video/commercial which featured that, and I was sure it was fake, but it
> works fine at my desk (my bedside charger is flat ... and since my cats
> like to play with vertical things, I'll probably keep it that way).
>
> https://youtu.be/1eQ6n9uZ8Ls  is the commercial, sadly it is not very
> accessible.
>
> I even thought of
>
>> getting a sighted person to help me set it up in the detailed way it
>> wants, but is that even possible?
>>
>
> I would think so. Might take a try or two.
>
> Note that if you fail to unlock the phone enough times, it will require the
> passcode. I mention that, because being too close to the sleeping face
> might result in a lot of inadvertent unlock attempts. Some experimentation
> is probably necessary. Also, the face recognition gets better over time
> (viz, it will fail, you will use the passcode, it will learn that
> particular angle is OK)..I find some sunglasses work well, others not at
> all and some only after several manual unlock cycles. No doubt it's a
> combination of how opaque (perhaps polarization?) and shape.
>
> I've come to prefer it.
>
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Re: Questions about face ID

2019-08-06 Thread Keith Bierman
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 9:10 AM Shermeen Khan  wrote:

> ..that most people didn't find existed,


There are certainly good use-cases. For example, when doing something which
occupies one's hands (say riding a bicycle, perhaps a tandem as the
"pusher")  the combination of voice and face are quite handy. Another use
case is when it's cold enough to be wearing heavy gloves
...n that I have to use this phone now. You get

> what you get and you don't get upset and all that sort of thing.
>
If the published rumors about the next iPhone are correct,
fingerprint+faceID may be in the cards in a month. If so, perhaps you can
arrange for a swap. Some corporate plans are more generous (or there's
someone who needs an update/replacement of an older model) ..

> the time or to check e-mail or get my next digital dopamine hit, and
> my phone is certainly not up above my face. How are those you using
> face ID managing this?


If you've put it on a stand (many inductive chargers around $20-$30), just
rolling over and looking at it can suffice. Indeed, if you've left it in
"requires attention mode" opening just one eye suffices!  There's an apple
video/commercial which featured that, and I was sure it was fake, but it
works fine at my desk (my bedside charger is flat ... and since my cats
like to play with vertical things, I'll probably keep it that way).

https://youtu.be/1eQ6n9uZ8Ls  is the commercial, sadly it is not very
accessible.

I even thought of

> getting a sighted person to help me set it up in the detailed way it
> wants, but is that even possible?
>

I would think so. Might take a try or two.

Note that if you fail to unlock the phone enough times, it will require the
passcode. I mention that, because being too close to the sleeping face
might result in a lot of inadvertent unlock attempts. Some experimentation
is probably necessary. Also, the face recognition gets better over time
(viz, it will fail, you will use the passcode, it will learn that
particular angle is OK)..I find some sunglasses work well, others not at
all and some only after several manual unlock cycles. No doubt it's a
combination of how opaque (perhaps polarization?) and shape.

I've come to prefer it.

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Questions about face ID

2019-08-06 Thread Shermeen Khan
Hello all you knowledgeable people,

So for work, I've been given an iPhone X. As you know, the only ways
to unlock the phone are through a passcode (which I find obnoxious at
the best of times) or Face ID, which I frankly felt was apple's way of
solving a problem that most people didn't find existed, but that's of
little consequence given that I have to use this phone now. You get
what you get and you don't get upset and all that sort of thing.

That said, I struggled tremendously to even set up face ID. I did my
best to follow the verbal instructions, but somehow never managed to
tilt my head just so or follow the arrow that was supposed to tell me
what to do. I ended up selecting an "accessibility" button that seemed
to mean that it didn't need to get my face from as many angles as it
might have from a sighted person, but then I also find that I need to
be holding my phone just so in order for it to recognize my face. For
example, I know I can't be the only person who sleeps with her phone
next to the pillow at night. Upon waking up, before even acknowledging
my consciousness, my hand is drifting up to my phone to either check
the time or to check e-mail or get my next digital dopamine hit, and
my phone is certainly not up above my face. How are those you using
face ID managing this? do you just sit up all alert and bright-eyed
before using your phone? can face ID be anything other than
irritating? Is it possible to have your phone next to your pillow,
turn your face towards it, and have it unlock? I even thought of
getting a sighted person to help me set it up in the detailed way it
wants, but is that even possible? will it not then just start scanning
the sighted person's face? oh my.

Thanks in advance, and I am missing the fingerprint option so much, if
you couldn't tell.

Shermeen

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