Re: apple keynote

[elevegnale]

hi, Joshua, I am with you on the TV thing. I don’t watch much either. I love 
reading, and doing a lot with my iPhone. I’m so happy that you are now using 
your iPhone a lot. Take care. Esther

Sent From Esther’s Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Sep 13, 2019, at 2:48 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I'm not really all that much into TV anyway.  I'll read a good book
> over TV any day.  I'm looking forward to IOS 13.  I already really
> like my iPhone 8 and all the cool things I can do on it and if more
> accessibility things are coming with this new update that will make
> things all the better.
> 
>> On 9/12/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> iOS 13 has some of the biggest accessibility improvements including
>> Voiceover in a long time. But I'm sure Apple Visa will post a complete run
>> down next week after iOS 13 is released.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> dacia.l...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>> 
>> So what new things are coming out in the new iOS update? Is there anything
>> really worthwhile for us voiceover users?
>> Dacia
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2019, at 4:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little
>>> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is
>>> a plus.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Carolyn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Keith Bierman
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>> 
>>> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the
>>> ultra wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be
>>> interesting to see what the next six months will bring. Also many of us
>>> aren't on an annual upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to
>>> make up their own minds, based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
>>> 
>>> Keith Bierman
>>> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com>
>>> 303 997 2749
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone >> <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   i completely agree.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney >> <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year,
>>> I have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to
>>> have the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think
>>> there’s a reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Joney
>>>   talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com>
>>>   "If God can bring you to it,
>>>   He will lead you through it."
>>> 
>>>   On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel >> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to
>>> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that
>>> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do
>>> then I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I
>>> rarely even wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a
>>> pain. One thing I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS
>>> 6 they were able to fix this constant locking which is probably what
>>> drives me crazy the most. Sometimes I simply want to flick to some
>>> complication and it takes me 3 or 4 tries because every time I wake up the
>>> watch and start flicking it immediately locks again.
>>> 
>>>   -Original Message-
>>>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  >> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alex Stone
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
>>> 

RE: [External] Re: apple keynote

[Cristobal Muñoz]

I should have said control+tab if we're being all technical about it. Jaws 2019 
and Outlook2016. 
Either way, it seems that whatever was going on has resolved itself.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [External] Re: apple keynote

I have occasionally experienced this with extremely large threads. However, I 
was able to press enter on all the emails in this thread and read them as well 
as delete them. I am not sure what you use which requires you to press tab to 
get into the body of an email, why not just press enter to open a message? 
Anyhow, if I did experience this and still wanted to read the message I could 
usually work around this by pressing control + R to reply to the message, this 
would usually not crash Outlook and I could read the message since it was there 
in the reply I started, then I would press escape to quit replying and I could 
then press delete to delete it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cook, 
Steve
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [External] Re: apple keynote

Same here

Steve Cook, CPM
Assistive Technology Consultant
SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
Office: (803) 898-8788
Cell: (803) 908-3856
1-888-335-5951 

www.sccb.state.sc.us


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Munoz
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: apple keynote

So weird. For the last few emails in this thread, every time I try to tab into 
the body to read them in Outlook  with Jaws, it crashes the program. Anyone 
else experiencing this? I finally had to go in with my iPhone and delete the 
thread. In fact, I am writing this email with my iPhone.

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little 
> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is a 
> plus. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith Bierman
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the ultra 
> wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be interesting to see 
> what the next six months will bring. Also many of us aren't on an annual 
> upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to make up their own minds, 
> based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
> 
> Keith Bierman
> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com> 
> 303 997 2749
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone  <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
>i completely agree.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney  <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> 
> The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I 
> have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have 
> the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a 
> reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>
>
>Joney
>talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> 
>"If God can bring you to it, 
>He will lead you through it."  
> 
>On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>
>
> 
>If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to 
> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that 
> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then 
> I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even 
> wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing 
> I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to 
> fix this constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. 
> Sometimes I simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 
> tries because every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it 
> immediately locks again.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Ale

RE: [External] Re: apple keynote

[sherrywells1157]

I have had Outlook freeze up several times, always on emails in this thread.  I 
hit enter to open it & that's the end.  I have to use task manager to close 
Outlook.  I thought it was because I had just upgraded Fusion but apparently 
this is a known problem with some large threads.

Sherry Wells

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [External] Re: apple keynote

I have occasionally experienced this with extremely large threads. However, I 
was able to press enter on all the emails in this thread and read them as well 
as delete them. I am not sure what you use which requires you to press tab to 
get into the body of an email, why not just press enter to open a message? 
Anyhow, if I did experience this and still wanted to read the message I could 
usually work around this by pressing control + R to reply to the message, this 
would usually not crash Outlook and I could read the message since it was there 
in the reply I started, then I would press escape to quit replying and I could 
then press delete to delete it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cook, 
Steve
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [External] Re: apple keynote

Same here

Steve Cook, CPM
Assistive Technology Consultant
SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
Office: (803) 898-8788
Cell: (803) 908-3856
1-888-335-5951 

www.sccb.state.sc.us


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Munoz
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: apple keynote

So weird. For the last few emails in this thread, every time I try to tab into 
the body to read them in Outlook  with Jaws, it crashes the program. Anyone 
else experiencing this? I finally had to go in with my iPhone and delete the 
thread. In fact, I am writing this email with my iPhone.

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little 
> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is a 
> plus. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith Bierman
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the ultra 
> wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be interesting to see 
> what the next six months will bring. Also many of us aren't on an annual 
> upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to make up their own minds, 
> based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
> 
> Keith Bierman
> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com> 
> 303 997 2749
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone  <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
>i completely agree.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney  <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> 
> The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I 
> have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have 
> the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a 
> reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>
>
>Joney
>talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> 
>"If God can bring you to it, 
>He will lead you through it."  
> 
>On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>
>
> 
>If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to 
> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that 
> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then 
> I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even 
> wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing 
> I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to 
> fix this constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. 
> Sometimes I simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 
> tries because every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it 
> immediately locks again.
>
>-Original Message-
>  

RE: [External] Re: apple keynote

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have occasionally experienced this with extremely large threads. However, I 
was able to press enter on all the emails in this thread and read them as well 
as delete them. I am not sure what you use which requires you to press tab to 
get into the body of an email, why not just press enter to open a message? 
Anyhow, if I did experience this and still wanted to read the message I could 
usually work around this by pressing control + R to reply to the message, this 
would usually not crash Outlook and I could read the message since it was there 
in the reply I started, then I would press escape to quit replying and I could 
then press delete to delete it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cook, 
Steve
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [External] Re: apple keynote

Same here

Steve Cook, CPM
Assistive Technology Consultant
SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
Office: (803) 898-8788
Cell: (803) 908-3856
1-888-335-5951 

www.sccb.state.sc.us


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Munoz
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: apple keynote

So weird. For the last few emails in this thread, every time I try to tab into 
the body to read them in Outlook  with Jaws, it crashes the program. Anyone 
else experiencing this? I finally had to go in with my iPhone and delete the 
thread. In fact, I am writing this email with my iPhone.

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little 
> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is a 
> plus. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith Bierman
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the ultra 
> wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be interesting to see 
> what the next six months will bring. Also many of us aren't on an annual 
> upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to make up their own minds, 
> based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
> 
> Keith Bierman
> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com> 
> 303 997 2749
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone  <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
>i completely agree.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney  <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> 
> The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I 
> have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have 
> the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a 
> reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>
>
>Joney
>talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> 
>"If God can bring you to it, 
>He will lead you through it."  
> 
>On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>
>
> 
>If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to 
> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that 
> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then 
> I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even 
> wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing 
> I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to 
> fix this constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. 
> Sometimes I simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 
> tries because every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it 
> immediately locks again.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 
> didn’t sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4. 
>

RE: [External] Re: apple keynote

[Cook, Steve]

Same here

Steve Cook, CPM
Assistive Technology Consultant
SC Commission for the Blind
1430 Confederate avenue
Columbia, SC 29201
Office: (803) 898-8788
Cell: (803) 908-3856
1-888-335-5951 

www.sccb.state.sc.us


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Munoz
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [External] Re: apple keynote

So weird. For the last few emails in this thread, every time I try to tab into 
the body to read them in Outlook  with Jaws, it crashes the program. Anyone 
else experiencing this? I finally had to go in with my iPhone and delete the 
thread. In fact, I am writing this email with my iPhone.

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little 
> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is a 
> plus. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith Bierman
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the ultra 
> wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be interesting to see 
> what the next six months will bring. Also many of us aren't on an annual 
> upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to make up their own minds, 
> based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
> 
> Keith Bierman
> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com> 
> 303 997 2749
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone  <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
>i completely agree.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney  <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> 
> The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I 
> have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have 
> the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a 
> reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>
>
>Joney
>talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> 
>"If God can bring you to it, 
>He will lead you through it."  
> 
>On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>
>
> 
>If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to 
> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that 
> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then 
> I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even 
> wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing 
> I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to 
> fix this constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. 
> Sometimes I simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 
> tries because every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it 
> immediately locks again.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 
> didn’t sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4. 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> 
>On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes  <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about 
> the new Apple Watch Series 5?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me 
> privately and I will happily add you.
>
> 
>maria2...@gmail.com <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> 
>
> 
>
>
> 
>On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater 
>

Re: apple keynote

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I'm not really all that much into TV anyway.  I'll read a good book
over TV any day.  I'm looking forward to IOS 13.  I already really
like my iPhone 8 and all the cool things I can do on it and if more
accessibility things are coming with this new update that will make
things all the better.

On 9/12/19, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> iOS 13 has some of the biggest accessibility improvements including
> Voiceover in a long time. But I'm sure Apple Visa will post a complete run
> down next week after iOS 13 is released.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> dacia.l...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
> So what new things are coming out in the new iOS update? Is there anything
> really worthwhile for us voiceover users?
> Dacia
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 12, 2019, at 4:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little
>> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is
>> a plus.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Keith Bierman
>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>
>> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the
>> ultra wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be
>> interesting to see what the next six months will bring. Also many of us
>> aren't on an annual upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to
>> make up their own minds, based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
>>
>> Keith Bierman
>> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com>
>> 303 997 2749
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone > <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>i completely agree.
>>
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney > <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year,
>> I have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to
>> have the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think
>> there’s a reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>>
>>
>>Joney
>>talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com>
>>"If God can bring you to it,
>>He will lead you through it."
>>
>>On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel > <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to
>> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that
>> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do
>> then I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I
>> rarely even wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a
>> pain. One thing I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS
>> 6 they were able to fix this constant locking which is probably what
>> drives me crazy the most. Sometimes I simply want to flick to some
>> complication and it takes me 3 or 4 tries because every time I wake up the
>> watch and start flicking it immediately locks again.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alex Stone
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>
>>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>
>>im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5
>> didn’t sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes > <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think
>> about the new Apple Watch Series 5?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>want to join my WhatsApp group VIP

RE: apple keynote

[Sieghard Weitzel]

iOS 13 has some of the biggest accessibility improvements including Voiceover 
in a long time. But I'm sure Apple Visa will post a complete run down next week 
after iOS 13 is released.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
dacia.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

So what new things are coming out in the new iOS update? Is there anything 
really worthwhile for us voiceover users?
Dacia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 4:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little 
> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is a 
> plus. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith Bierman
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the ultra 
> wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be interesting to see 
> what the next six months will bring. Also many of us aren't on an annual 
> upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to make up their own minds, 
> based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
> 
> Keith Bierman
> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com> 
> 303 997 2749
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone  <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
>i completely agree.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney  <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> 
> The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I 
> have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have 
> the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a 
> reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>
>
>Joney
>talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> 
>"If God can bring you to it, 
>He will lead you through it."  
> 
>On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>
>
> 
>If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to 
> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that 
> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then 
> I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even 
> wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing 
> I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to 
> fix this constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. 
> Sometimes I simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 
> tries because every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it 
> immediately locks again.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 
> didn’t sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4. 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> 
>On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes  <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about 
> the new Apple Watch Series 5?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me 
> privately and I will happily add you.
>
> 
>maria2...@gmail.com <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> 
>
> 
>
>
> 
>On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater 
> mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> 
>You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you feel

RE: apple keynote

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I think to spend many hundreds of Dollars just to get a $60 discount for your 
year of Apple TV Plus is a poor investment choice. Sort of like saying, "I 
really only need 1 Bluetooth headset, but this one I like is 30% off so I 
better buy two".

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: apple keynote

Makes sense for you, but for us with a SE and an old Motorola, c could be a 
coupld of XRs are in the offing. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joney
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I have a 10 SX 
max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have the year of Apple 
TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a reason to update 
anything that I bought from last year


Joney
talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> "If God can bring you to it, 
He will lead you through it."  

On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:



If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to upgrade 
and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that necessary. 
However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then I think the 
upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even wear my Apple 
Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing I do hope is 
that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to fix this 
constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. Sometimes I 
simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 tries because 
every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it immediately locks again.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: apple keynote

im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 didn’t 
sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4. 

Sent from my iPhone



On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> > wrote:





I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about 
the new Apple Watch Series 5?





want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me 
privately and I will happily add you.


maria2...@gmail.com <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> 





On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:





You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you 
feel one vibration, then slide back down.





On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew 
Bullis mailto:matthewbulli...@gmail.com> > wrote:





How do you perform the reachability gesture 
without a home button?


Thanks,


Matthew





On 9/11/19, Robin 
mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net> > wrote:


YourWife's iPhone6S  is a  Little


SmallerThan  your iPhoneXR & the 
iPhoneXR is the SameSize as the 


UpComin iPhone11





YourWife should GET  the iPhone11Pro if 
She


desires a   iPhone, which is relatively 
the SameSize as Her iPhone6S
  

RE: apple keynote

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Yes.  Just had the same experience and had to restart several times before all 
worked well.
God bless!
Paula and Garçon

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Don Moore
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 6:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: apple keynote

Funny, I finally got pissed off and shut down my computer while eating dinner.  
When I turned it back on, everything worked well so far.  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Munoz
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

So weird. For the last few emails in this thread, every time I try to tab into 
the body to read them in Outlook  with Jaws, it crashes the program. Anyone 
else experiencing this? I finally had to go in with my iPhone and delete the 
thread. In fact, I am writing this email with my iPhone.

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little 
> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is a 
> plus. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith Bierman
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the ultra 
> wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be interesting to see 
> what the next six months will bring. Also many of us aren't on an annual 
> upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to make up their own minds, 
> based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
> 
> Keith Bierman
> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com> 
> 303 997 2749
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone  <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
>i completely agree.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney  <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> 
> The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I 
> have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have 
> the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a 
> reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>
>
>Joney
>talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> 
>"If God can bring you to it, 
>He will lead you through it."  
> 
>On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>
>
> 
>If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to 
> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that 
> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then 
> I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even 
> wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing 
> I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to 
> fix this constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. 
> Sometimes I simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 
> tries because every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it 
> immediately locks again.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 
> didn’t sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4. 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> 
>On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes  <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about 
> the new Apple Watch Series 5?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me 
> privately and I will happily add you.
>
> 
>  

RE: apple keynote

[Don Moore]

Funny, I finally got pissed off and shut down my computer while eating dinner.  
When I turned it back on, everything worked well so far.  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cristobal Munoz
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 5:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

So weird. For the last few emails in this thread, every time I try to tab into 
the body to read them in Outlook  with Jaws, it crashes the program. Anyone 
else experiencing this? I finally had to go in with my iPhone and delete the 
thread. In fact, I am writing this email with my iPhone.

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little 
> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is a 
> plus. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith Bierman
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the ultra 
> wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be interesting to see 
> what the next six months will bring. Also many of us aren't on an annual 
> upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to make up their own minds, 
> based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
> 
> Keith Bierman
> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com> 
> 303 997 2749
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone  <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
>i completely agree.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney  <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> 
> The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I 
> have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have 
> the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a 
> reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>
>
>Joney
>talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> 
>"If God can bring you to it, 
>He will lead you through it."  
> 
>On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>
>
> 
>If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to 
> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that 
> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then 
> I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even 
> wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing 
> I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to 
> fix this constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. 
> Sometimes I simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 
> tries because every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it 
> immediately locks again.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 
> didn’t sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4. 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> 
>On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes  <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about 
> the new Apple Watch Series 5?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me 
> privately and I will happily add you.
>
> 
>maria2...@gmail.com <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> 
>
> 
>
>
> 
>On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater 
> mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
> 

Re: apple keynote

[Wayne Merritt]

We won't really know what's new for VoiceOver in iOS 13 until it is
released next Thursday. There are lots of places on the web that have
rumors, and some articles, but we don't know anything solid until it
comes out. When it is released, AppleVis will be a great resource
since they will have full write-ups on what's new and notable bugs.

Wayne

On 9/12/19, Cristobal Munoz  wrote:
> So weird. For the last few emails in this thread, every time I try to tab
> into the body to read them in Outlook  with Jaws, it crashes the program.
> Anyone else experiencing this? I finally had to go in with my iPhone and
> delete the thread. In fact, I am writing this email with my iPhone.
>
>> On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little
>> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is
>> a plus.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Carolyn
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Keith Bierman
>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>
>> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the
>> ultra wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be
>> interesting to see what the next six months will bring. Also many of us
>> aren't on an annual upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to
>> make up their own minds, based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
>>
>> Keith Bierman
>> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com>
>> 303 997 2749
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone > <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>i completely agree.
>>
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney > <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year,
>> I have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to
>> have the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think
>> there’s a reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>>
>>
>>Joney
>>talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com>
>>"If God can bring you to it,
>>He will lead you through it."
>>
>>On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel > <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to
>> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that
>> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do
>> then I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I
>> rarely even wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a
>> pain. One thing I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS
>> 6 they were able to fix this constant locking which is probably what
>> drives me crazy the most. Sometimes I simply want to flick to some
>> complication and it takes me 3 or 4 tries because every time I wake up the
>> watch and start flicking it immediately locks again.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  > <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alex Stone
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>
>>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>
>>im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5
>> didn’t sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes > <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think
>> about the new Apple Watch Series 5?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me
>> privately and I will happily add you.
>>
>>
>>maria2...@gmail.com <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  

Re: apple keynote

[Cristobal Munoz]

So weird. For the last few emails in this thread, every time I try to tab into 
the body to read them in Outlook  with Jaws, it crashes the program. Anyone 
else experiencing this? I finally had to go in with my iPhone and delete the 
thread. In fact, I am writing this email with my iPhone.

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little 
> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is a 
> plus. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith Bierman
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the ultra 
> wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be interesting to see 
> what the next six months will bring. Also many of us aren't on an annual 
> upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to make up their own minds, 
> based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
> 
> Keith Bierman
> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com> 
> 303 997 2749
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone  <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
>i completely agree.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney  <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> 
> The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I 
> have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have 
> the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a 
> reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>
>
>Joney
>talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> 
>"If God can bring you to it, 
>He will lead you through it."  
> 
>On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>
>
> 
>If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to 
> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that 
> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then 
> I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even 
> wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing 
> I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to 
> fix this constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. 
> Sometimes I simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 
> tries because every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it 
> immediately locks again.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 
> didn’t sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4. 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> 
>On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes  <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about 
> the new Apple Watch Series 5?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me 
> privately and I will happily add you.
>
> 
>maria2...@gmail.com <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> 
>
> 
>
>
> 
>On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater 
> mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> 
>You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you feel 
> one vibration, then slide back down.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew Bullis 
> mailto:matthewbulli...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 

Re: apple keynote

[dacia . luck]

So what new things are coming out in the new iOS update? Is there anything 
really worthwhile for us voiceover users?
Dacia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 4:28 PM, Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little 
> more, we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is a 
> plus. 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith Bierman
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the ultra 
> wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be interesting to see 
> what the next six months will bring. Also many of us aren't on an annual 
> upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to make up their own minds, 
> based on their needs and typical use cases ;>
> 
> Keith Bierman
> khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com> 
> 303 997 2749
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone  <mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> 
> 
>i completely agree.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney  <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>
> 
> The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I 
> have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have 
> the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a 
> reason to update anything that I bought from last year
>
>
>Joney
>talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> 
>"If God can bring you to it, 
>He will lead you through it."  
> 
>On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
>
>
> 
>If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to 
> upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that 
> necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then 
> I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even 
> wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing 
> I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to 
> fix this constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. 
> Sometimes I simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 
> tries because every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it 
> immediately locks again.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 
> didn’t sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4. 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> 
>On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes  <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> 
>I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about 
> the new Apple Watch Series 5?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me 
> privately and I will happily add you.
>
> 
>maria2...@gmail.com <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> 
>
> 
>
>
> 
>On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater 
> mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> 
>You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you feel 
> one vibration, then slide back down.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew Bullis 
> mailto:matthewbulli...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> 
>How do you perform the reacha

RE: apple keynote

[Carolyn Arnold]

Actually, first consideration for us was an 8, but I figured for a little more, 
we'd get two to three years more use, and the better battery life is a plus. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Keith Bierman
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

virtually none of the new hw features have corresponding apps yet (the ultra 
wideband/indoor location chip for example) ... it will be interesting to see 
what the next six months will bring. Also many of us aren't on an annual 
upgrade program ... but obviously everyone needs to make up their own minds, 
based on their needs and typical use cases ;>

Keith Bierman
khb...@gmail.com <mailto:khb...@gmail.com> 
303 997 2749


On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 12:45 PM Alex Stone mailto:alexston...@hotmail.com> > wrote:


i completely agree.


Sent from my iPhone


On 12 Sep 2019, at 19:16, Joney mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> > wrote:



 The only reason I could see to update any of my items this 
year, I have a 10 SX max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to 
have the year of Apple TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a 
reason to update anything that I bought from last year


Joney
talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> 
"If God can bring you to it, 
He will lead you through it."  

On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:



If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no 
reason to upgrade and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not 
that necessary. However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do 
then I think the upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely 
even wear my Apple Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One 
thing I do hope is that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were 
able to fix this constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the 
most. Sometimes I simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 
or 4 tries because every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it 
immediately locks again.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: apple keynote

im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple 
Watch 5 didn’t sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4. 

Sent from my iPhone



On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes 
mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> > wrote:





I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you 
guys think about the new Apple Watch Series 5?





want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? 
Email me privately and I will happily add you.


maria2...@gmail.com 
<mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> 





On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin 
Prater mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:





You slide up from the bottom of the 
screen until you feel one vibration, then slide back down.





On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew 
Bullis mailto:matthewbulli...@gmail.com> > wrote:





How do you perform the reachability 
gesture without a home button?
   

RE: apple keynote

[Carolyn Arnold]

Makes sense for you, but for us with a SE and an old Motorola, c could be a 
coupld of XRs are in the offing. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joney
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

The only reason I could see to update any of my items this year, I have a 10 SX 
max, and iPad Pro, and the series for watch, would be to have the year of Apple 
TV+ to see if I like. Otherwise, I don’t think there’s a reason to update 
anything that I bought from last year


Joney
talk2o...@gmail.com <mailto:talk2o...@gmail.com> "If God can bring you to it, 
He will lead you through it."  

On Sep 12, 2019, at 2:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:



If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to upgrade 
and even the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that necessary. 
However, if you have a second generation as my wife and I do then I think the 
upgrade to the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even wear my Apple 
Watch any more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing I do hope is 
that on the newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to fix this 
constant locking which is probably what drives me crazy the most. Sometimes I 
simply want to flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 tries because 
every time I wake up the watch and start flicking it immediately locks again.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: apple keynote

im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 didn’t 
sound that exciting to me. I already have the 4. 

Sent from my iPhone



On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> > wrote:





I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about 
the new Apple Watch Series 5?





want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me 
privately and I will happily add you.


maria2...@gmail.com <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com> 





On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater 
mailto:r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com> > wrote:





You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you 
feel one vibration, then slide back down.





On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew 
Bullis mailto:matthewbulli...@gmail.com> > wrote:





How do you perform the reachability gesture 
without a home button?


Thanks,


Matthew





On 9/11/19, Robin 
mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net> > wrote:


YourWife's iPhone6S  is a  Little


SmallerThan  your iPhoneXR & the 
iPhoneXR is the SameSize as the 


UpComin iPhone11





YourWife should GET  the iPhone11Pro if 
She


desires a   iPhone, which is relatively 
the SameSize as Her iPhone6S


At 12:02 PM 9/11/2019, you wrote:


One thing to remember too is that 
iPhones have that reachability 


gesture as well as the ability to shift 
the keyboard to a 


 

RE: apple keynote

[Carolyn Arnold]

That makes sense - we just need to live with the fact of larger screens. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: apple keynote

Hi Andy,

I disagree here. When it comes to smartphones we never went from big to small 
and back to big.
The original iPhone started out with a 3.5 inch screen and that remained 
constant until the iPhone 5 in 2012. So, from 2007 to 2012 from the original 
iPhone to the iPhone 3, 3G, 4 and 4S it was 3.5 inches.
Then the iPhone 5 and 5C as well as the 5S had the 4 inch screen in 2012 and 
2013.
In 2014 the 6 and 6 Plus came out with their 4.7 and5.5 inch screens and that 
was the standard also in 2015 for the 6S/6S Plus and in 2016 for the 7 and 7 
Plus.
In 2017 the 8 and 8 Plus still retained the 4.7 and 5.5 inch screens and the 
new iPhone X with the 5.8 inch OLED screen was released.
Then last year the XR came out with the 6.1 inch LCD display and the iPhone XS 
and XS Max with the 5.8 and 6.5 inch OLED screen, respectively and this remains 
the same this year.
I could possibly see a physically smaller iPhone being reintroduced next year 
or in 2021, but it will still have at least a 4.5 or 4.7 inch screen, but due 
to the smaller bezels which are now possible it could physically be very 
similar to the size of the SE with it's 4 inch screen.
I did, buy the way, forget the SE in my list and I guess technically you are 
correct that there was a phone which went down in screen size since the SE came 
out in the spring of 2016 after the 6/6 Plus had been out for a year and a 
half, but just because they released that one smaller phone it didn't mean the 
trend towards larger screen phones stopped and I highly doubt it ever will. Now 
they are already talking about foldable screens where you have maybe a very 
small 2.5 or 3 inch screen on the outside where you see your notifications and 
maybe who is calling you and then once you unfold the phone you are looking at 
something along the lines of an iPad Mini size or close to it. To me that is 
more likely to happen and more logical than Apple and others like Samsung or 
Google and so on going back to small 4 inch screen phones, in todays world 
where we do so much on our phones and where we have devices like the Apple 
Watch which are tiny and powerful having tiny phones just makes no sense..


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

These things go in cycles.  We went from big phones to tiny phones and then 
they grew larger again.  At some point people will want to save space and will 
demand smaller phones.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "lenron brown" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: apple keynote


Exactly not as many people care about having a small phone. After all you can 
see more on a bigger screen. Not to mention they can fit more screen in a 
smaller body.

On 9/11/19, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
> Davy
>
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>
> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
> the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
> The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5 It has been rumored 
> that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone; but nothing 
> official from Apple.
>
>
> Richard
>
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>
>
>
>   On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>
>
>   I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would 
> like to stay with that form factor.
>
>   Andy
>
>   ----- Original Message - From: 
>   To: 
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>   Subject: RE: apple keynote
>
>
>   Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>   this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big 
> change in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.
>
>   Kelly   style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>   
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RE: apple keynote

[Carolyn Arnold]

The pictures, as well as text reading. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

Hi Andy,
I would like to think you are right, but I don’t think the phone cycle thing is 
really accurate. Phones in the  old days used to be big because they had to be. 
Technology is so much more miniaturized than it was then. People want to see 
more. It’s all about the pictures. So, although I wish it weren’t so, I really 
don’t think the phones are going to go back and be smaller. I would love to be 
wrong.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> These things go in cycles.  We went from big phones to tiny phones and then 
> they grew larger again.  At some point people will want to save space and 
> will demand smaller phones.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "lenron brown" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:24 AM
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> 
> Exactly not as many people care about having a small phone. After all 
> you can see more on a bigger screen. Not to mention they can fit more 
> screen in a smaller body.
> 
>> On 9/11/19, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
>> Davy
>> 
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>> 
>> 
>> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
>> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
>> the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
>> The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5 It has been rumored 
>> that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone; but nothing 
>> official from Apple.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would 
>> like to stay with that form factor.
>> 
>>  Andy
>> 
>>  - Original Message - From: 
>>  To: 
>>  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>>  Subject: RE: apple keynote
>> 
>> 
>>  Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
>>  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>  Subject: Re: apple keynote
>> 
>>  this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big 
>> change in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.
>> 
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RE: apple keynote

[Sieghard Weitzel]

In a way they are getting very small since an LTE Apple Watch is almost a phone 
these days and in my opinion it will be in a few years. That still won't mean 
most people would want to have just an Apple Watch or other smart watch as 
their primary device because of limited input options, but the fact that these 
devices exist is the reason why there is really no reason for a small phone any 
more.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

Phones aint getting smaller anytime soon. Unless they are implanted in the 
brain or something.

On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
> Oh no, I was not offended in any way. I simply meant that the size 
> difference was so minimal between the two phones. And I too am not 
> sure just
>
> how much more viewing area they get with the X, but I suppose sighted 
> users
>
> can tell the difference.
> Marie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
> Hey Marie,
>
>   I,Robin didn't  intend any Harm with My previous Offering to this 
> Thread about the Size of  Apple's iPhone8 & iPhoneX &  UpComin 
> iPhone11Pro  to you directly, I was  tryin to Say there isn't any REAL 
> Noticable difference  in these MobilePhone's Size & I'm specifically 
> Referrin to  Apple's iPhone88  & iPhoneX & iPhoneXS & its UpComin 
> iPhone11Pro, as they are ALL relatively the SameSize, but some just 
> have More Screen Real Estate than others (i don't know how it's done)
>
> Sorry if I offended you,Marie
> At 11:37 AM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
>>I also have small hands but changing from the eight to the X, there 
>>was barely any noticeable difference. I have no problem with the size.
>>Marie
>>
>>
>>-Original Message- From: lenron brown
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>
>>Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not 
>>huge and the 7plus fits just fine.
>>
>>On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
>>>Richard,
>>>I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are 
>>>you saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because 
>>>it is what
>>>
>>>I
>>>am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
>>>Marie
>>>
>>>From: Davy Cuppens
>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
>>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>
>>>It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
>>>Davy
>>>
>>>From: Richard Turner
>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
>>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>
>>>
>>>No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
>>>iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
>>>the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
>>>The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5 It has been rumored 
>>>that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone; but nothing 
>>>official from Apple.
>>>
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and 
>>>would  like to stay with that form factor.
>>>
>>>   Andy
>>>
>>>   - Original Message - From: 
>>>   To: 
>>>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>>>   Subject: RE: apple keynote
>>>
>>>
>>>   Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>>>
>>>   -Original Message-
>>>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>>>On  Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
>>>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>   Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>
>>>   this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big  
>>>change in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced 
>>>Face ID.
>>>
>>>   Kelly  >>style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>>>   
>>> >>href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?

RE: apple keynote

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Andy,

I disagree here. When it comes to smartphones we never went from big to small 
and back to big.
The original iPhone started out with a 3.5 inch screen and that remained 
constant until the iPhone 5 in 2012. So, from 2007 to 2012 from the original 
iPhone to the iPhone 3, 3G, 4 and 4S it was 3.5 inches.
Then the iPhone 5 and 5C as well as the 5S had the 4 inch screen in 2012 and 
2013.
In 2014 the 6 and 6 Plus came out with their 4.7 and5.5 inch screens and that 
was the standard also in 2015 for the 6S/6S Plus and in 2016 for the 7 and 7 
Plus.
In 2017 the 8 and 8 Plus still retained the 4.7 and 5.5 inch screens and the 
new iPhone X with the 5.8 inch OLED screen was released.
Then last year the XR came out with the 6.1 inch LCD display and the iPhone XS 
and XS Max with the 5.8 and 6.5 inch OLED screen, respectively and this remains 
the same this year.
I could possibly see a physically smaller iPhone being reintroduced next year 
or in 2021, but it will still have at least a 4.5 or 4.7 inch screen, but due 
to the smaller bezels which are now possible it could physically be very 
similar to the size of the SE with it's 4 inch screen.
I did, buy the way, forget the SE in my list and I guess technically you are 
correct that there was a phone which went down in screen size since the SE came 
out in the spring of 2016 after the 6/6 Plus had been out for a year and a 
half, but just because they released that one smaller phone it didn't mean the 
trend towards larger screen phones stopped and I highly doubt it ever will. Now 
they are already talking about foldable screens where you have maybe a very 
small 2.5 or 3 inch screen on the outside where you see your notifications and 
maybe who is calling you and then once you unfold the phone you are looking at 
something along the lines of an iPad Mini size or close to it. To me that is 
more likely to happen and more logical than Apple and others like Samsung or 
Google and so on going back to small 4 inch screen phones, in todays world 
where we do so much on our phones and where we have devices like the Apple 
Watch which are tiny and powerful having tiny phones just makes no sense..


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Andy 
Baracco
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

These things go in cycles.  We went from big phones to tiny phones and then 
they grew larger again.  At some point people will want to save space and will 
demand smaller phones.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: "lenron brown" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: apple keynote


Exactly not as many people care about having a small phone. After all
you can see more on a bigger screen. Not to mention they can fit more
screen in a smaller body.

On 9/11/19, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
> Davy
>
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>
> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
> the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
> The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
> It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized 
> phone;
> but nothing official from Apple.
>
>
> Richard
>
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>
>
>
>   On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>
>
>   I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like 
> to
> stay with that form factor.
>
>   Andy
>
>   ----- Original Message - From: 
>   To: 
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>   Subject: RE: apple keynote
>
>
>   Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf
> Of Kelly Pierce
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>   this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change
> in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.
>
>   Kelly   style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>   
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RE: apple keynote

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you have a 4th gen Apple Watch there really is no reason to upgrade and even 
the upgrade from a third generation is probably not that necessary. However, if 
you have a second generation as my wife and I do then I think the upgrade to 
the fifth generation is well worthwhile, I rarely even wear my Apple Watch any 
more because it is so slow and such a pain. One thing I do hope is that on the 
newer hardware and with Watch OS 6 they were able to fix this constant locking 
which is probably what drives me crazy the most. Sometimes I simply want to 
flick to some complication and it takes me 3 or 4 tries because every time I 
wake up the watch and start flicking it immediately locks again.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
Stone
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 didn’t sound that 
exciting to me. I already have the 4. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about the new Apple 
> Watch Series 5?
> 
> want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I will 
> happily add you.
> maria2...@gmail.com
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you feel one vibration, 
>> then slide back down.
>> 
>>>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew Bullis  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How do you perform the reachability gesture without a home button?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>>> On 9/11/19, Robin  wrote:
>>>> YourWife's iPhone6S  is a  Little
>>>> SmallerThan  your iPhoneXR & the iPhoneXR is the SameSize as the 
>>>> UpComin iPhone11
>>>> 
>>>> YourWife should GET  the iPhone11Pro if She
>>>> desires a   iPhone, which is relatively the SameSize as Her iPhone6S
>>>> At 12:02 PM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
>>>>> One thing to remember too is that iPhones have that reachability 
>>>>> gesture as well as the ability to shift the keyboard to a 
>>>>> left-handed or right-handed configuration. I find myself using 
>>>>> these more than I thought I would at first.
>>>>> I'm a fairly big guy with hands proportion to my size, but still, 
>>>>> I too don't particularly care for the larger size phones, but 
>>>>> these workarounds Apple's built into the phones do help a little. 
>>>>> Instead of being terrible, it only mildly sucks.
>>>>> I'd be one happy dude if my XR could fit into a 6S or SE, but that 
>>>>> ship has sailed and there's no reason opining on what clearly 
>>>>> isn't going to happen or waiting around for the same.
>>>>> Apple would probably just say buy the 8 or use the features 
>>>>> mentioned above.
>>>>> My wife's got a 6S and we're probably going to upgrade her to the 
>>>>> 11 this year. She's sighted and wants the larger screen size. Big 
>>>>> sucker phone  be damned. She says she'll figure it out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Marie
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:38 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also have small hands but changing from the eight to the X, 
>>>>> there was barely any noticeable difference. I have no problem with 
>>>>> the size.
>>>>> Marie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: lenron brown
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are 
>>>>> not huge and the 7plus fits just fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
>>>>>> Richard,
>>>>>> I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. 
>>>>>> Are you saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case 
>>>>>> because it is what I am used to and I am planning on trading the 
>>>>>> X in on a new 11 Pro.
>>>>>> Marie
>>>>>> 
>>>&

Re: apple keynote

[lenron brown]

Phones aint getting smaller anytime soon. Unless they are implanted in
the brain or something.

On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
> Oh no, I was not offended in any way. I simply meant that the size
> difference was so minimal between the two phones. And I too am not sure just
>
> how much more viewing area they get with the X, but I suppose sighted users
>
> can tell the difference.
> Marie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robin
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
> Hey Marie,
>
>   I,Robin didn't  intend any Harm with My
> previous Offering to this Thread about the Size
> of  Apple's iPhone8 & iPhoneX &  UpComin
> iPhone11Pro  to you directly, I was  tryin to Say
> there isn't any REAL Noticable difference  in
> these MobilePhone's Size & I'm specifically
> Referrin to  Apple's iPhone88  & iPhoneX &
> iPhoneXS & its UpComin iPhone11Pro, as they are
> ALL relatively the SameSize, but some just have
> More Screen Real Estate than others (i don't know how it's done)
>
> Sorry if I offended you,Marie
> At 11:37 AM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
>>I also have small hands but changing from the eight to the X, there was
>>barely any noticeable difference. I have no problem with the size.
>>Marie
>>
>>
>>-Original Message- From: lenron brown
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>
>>Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
>>huge and the 7plus fits just fine.
>>
>>On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
>>>Richard,
>>>I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
>>>saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is what
>>>
>>>I
>>>am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
>>>Marie
>>>
>>>From: Davy Cuppens
>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
>>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>
>>>It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
>>>Davy
>>>
>>>From: Richard Turner
>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
>>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>
>>>
>>>No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
>>>iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
>>>the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
>>>The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
>>>It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized
>>>phone;
>>>but nothing official from Apple.
>>>
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would
>>> like to
>>>stay with that form factor.
>>>
>>>   Andy
>>>
>>>   - Original Message - From: 
>>>   To: 
>>>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>>>   Subject: RE: apple keynote
>>>
>>>
>>>   Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>>>
>>>   -Original Message-
>>>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>>Of Kelly Pierce
>>>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>>>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>   Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>
>>>   this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big
>>> change
>>>in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.
>>>
>>>   Kelly  >>style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>>>   
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Re: apple keynote

[Marie]

Oh no, I was not offended in any way. I simply meant that the size 
difference was so minimal between the two phones. And I too am not sure just 
how much more viewing area they get with the X, but I suppose sighted users 
can tell the difference.

Marie


-Original Message- 
From: Robin

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

Hey Marie,

 I,Robin didn't  intend any Harm with My
previous Offering to this Thread about the Size
of  Apple's iPhone8 & iPhoneX &  UpComin
iPhone11Pro  to you directly, I was  tryin to Say
there isn't any REAL Noticable difference  in
these MobilePhone's Size & I'm specifically
Referrin to  Apple's iPhone88  & iPhoneX &
iPhoneXS & its UpComin iPhone11Pro, as they are
ALL relatively the SameSize, but some just have
More Screen Real Estate than others (i don't know how it's done)

Sorry if I offended you,Marie
At 11:37 AM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
I also have small hands but changing from the eight to the X, there was 
barely any noticeable difference. I have no problem with the size.

Marie


-Original Message- From: lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
huge and the 7plus fits just fine.

On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:

Richard,
I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is what 
I

am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
Marie

From: Davy Cuppens
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
Davy

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote


No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized 
phone;

but nothing official from Apple.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.



  On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


  I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would 
like to

stay with that form factor.

  Andy

  - Original Message - From: 
  To: 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
  Subject: RE: apple keynote


  Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Kelly Pierce
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: apple keynote

  this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big 
change

in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.

  Kelly  
  
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  On 9/10/19, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi,



Yes, it happened earlier today.



Cheers,

Anna





  On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan

  

  wrote:



  Just curious.  Did Apple have their usual sept. 10 announcements 
and


  unvailings?  There’s been no chatter about it.

Re: apple keynote

[Mary Otten]

Hi Andy,
I would like to think you are right, but I don’t think the phone cycle thing is 
really accurate. Phones in the  old days used to be big because they had to be. 
Technology is so much more miniaturized than it was then. People want to see 
more. It’s all about the pictures. So, although I wish it weren’t so, I really 
don’t think the phones are going to go back and be smaller. I would love to be 
wrong.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> These things go in cycles.  We went from big phones to tiny phones and then 
> they grew larger again.  At some point people will want to save space and 
> will demand smaller phones.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "lenron brown" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:24 AM
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
> 
> 
> Exactly not as many people care about having a small phone. After all
> you can see more on a bigger screen. Not to mention they can fit more
> screen in a smaller body.
> 
>> On 9/11/19, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
>> Davy
>> 
>> From: Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>> 
>> 
>> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
>> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
>> the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
>> The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
>> It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone;
>> but nothing official from Apple.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like to
>> stay with that form factor.
>> 
>>  Andy
>> 
>>  - Original Message - From: 
>>  To: 
>>  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>>  Subject: RE: apple keynote
>> 
>> 
>>  Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Kelly Pierce
>>  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>  Subject: Re: apple keynote
>> 
>>  this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change
>> in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.
>> 
>>  Kelly  > style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>>  
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>>  On 9/10/19, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>Cheers,
>> 
>>Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sep 10, 2019, at 

Re: apple keynote

[Andy Baracco]

These things go in cycles.  We went from big phones to tiny phones and then 
they grew larger again.  At some point people will want to save space and 
will demand smaller phones.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "lenron brown" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: apple keynote


Exactly not as many people care about having a small phone. After all
you can see more on a bigger screen. Not to mention they can fit more
screen in a smaller body.

On 9/11/19, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
Davy

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote


No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized 
phone;

but nothing official from Apple.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.



  On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


  I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like 
to

stay with that form factor.

  Andy

  - Original Message - From: 
  To: 
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  Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Kelly Pierce
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: apple keynote

  this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change
in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.

  Kelly  
  
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  On 9/10/19, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi,



Yes, it happened earlier today.



Cheers,

Anna





  On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan

  

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  Just curious.  Did Apple have their usual sept. 10 announcements and

  unvailings?  There’s been no chatter about it.

  God bless!

  Paula and Garçon



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Re: apple keynote

[lenron brown]

I have the 4 so waiting for the 6, and if you want the watch and don't
want to pay the price of the 5 you can always get a 4 from a third
party. If you really want to save even more buy the 3 and it works
just fine.

On 9/11/19, Alex Stone  wrote:
> im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 didn’t sound
> that exciting to me. I already have the 4.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes  wrote:
>>
>> I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about the new Apple
>> Watch Series 5?
>>
>> want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I
>> will happily add you.
>> maria2...@gmail.com
>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you feel one vibration,
>>> then slide back down.
>>>
>>>>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew Bullis 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How do you perform the reachability gesture without a home button?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/11/19, Robin  wrote:
>>>>> YourWife's iPhone6S  is a  Little
>>>>> SmallerThan  your iPhoneXR & the iPhoneXR is the
>>>>> SameSize as the UpComin iPhone11
>>>>>
>>>>> YourWife should GET  the iPhone11Pro if She
>>>>> desires a   iPhone, which is relatively the SameSize as Her iPhone6S
>>>>> At 12:02 PM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
>>>>>> One thing to remember too is that iPhones have
>>>>>> that reachability gesture as well as the ability
>>>>>> to shift the keyboard to a left-handed or
>>>>>> right-handed configuration. I find myself using
>>>>>> these more than I thought I would at first.
>>>>>> I'm a fairly big guy with hands proportion to my
>>>>>> size, but still, I too don't particularly care
>>>>>> for the larger size phones, but these
>>>>>> workarounds Apple's built into the phones do
>>>>>> help a little. Instead of being terrible, it only mildly sucks.
>>>>>> I'd be one happy dude if my XR could fit into a
>>>>>> 6S or SE, but that ship has sailed and there's
>>>>>> no reason opining on what clearly isn't going to
>>>>>> happen or waiting around for the same.
>>>>>> Apple would probably just say buy the 8 or use the features mentioned
>>>>>> above.
>>>>>> My wife's got a 6S and we're probably going to
>>>>>> upgrade her to the 11 this year. She's sighted
>>>>>> and wants the larger screen size. Big sucker
>>>>>> phone  be damned. She says she'll figure it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>>>>> Of
>>>>>> Marie
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:38 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also have small hands but changing from the
>>>>>> eight to the X, there was barely any noticeable
>>>>>> difference. I have no problem with the size.
>>>>>> Marie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: lenron brown
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> huge and the 7plus fits just fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
>>>>>>> Richard,
>>>>>>> I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
>>>>>>> Marie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Davy Cuppens
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 1

Re: apple keynote

[Alex Stone]

im not sure I’ve heard all the details, but the Apple Watch 5 didn’t sound that 
exciting to me. I already have the 4. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Sep 2019, at 21:23, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about the new Apple 
> Watch Series 5?
> 
> want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I will 
> happily add you.
> maria2...@gmail.com
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you feel one vibration, 
>> then slide back down.
>> 
>>>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew Bullis  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How do you perform the reachability gesture without a home button?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>>> On 9/11/19, Robin  wrote:
>>>> YourWife's iPhone6S  is a  Little
>>>> SmallerThan  your iPhoneXR & the iPhoneXR is the
>>>> SameSize as the UpComin iPhone11
>>>> 
>>>> YourWife should GET  the iPhone11Pro if She
>>>> desires a   iPhone, which is relatively the SameSize as Her iPhone6S
>>>> At 12:02 PM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
>>>>> One thing to remember too is that iPhones have
>>>>> that reachability gesture as well as the ability
>>>>> to shift the keyboard to a left-handed or
>>>>> right-handed configuration. I find myself using
>>>>> these more than I thought I would at first.
>>>>> I'm a fairly big guy with hands proportion to my
>>>>> size, but still, I too don't particularly care
>>>>> for the larger size phones, but these
>>>>> workarounds Apple's built into the phones do
>>>>> help a little. Instead of being terrible, it only mildly sucks.
>>>>> I'd be one happy dude if my XR could fit into a
>>>>> 6S or SE, but that ship has sailed and there's
>>>>> no reason opining on what clearly isn't going to
>>>>> happen or waiting around for the same.
>>>>> Apple would probably just say buy the 8 or use the features mentioned
>>>>> above.
>>>>> My wife's got a 6S and we're probably going to
>>>>> upgrade her to the 11 this year. She's sighted
>>>>> and wants the larger screen size. Big sucker
>>>>> phone  be damned. She says she'll figure it out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>>>> Marie
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:38 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also have small hands but changing from the
>>>>> eight to the X, there was barely any noticeable
>>>>> difference. I have no problem with the size.
>>>>> Marie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-
>>>>> From: lenron brown
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
>>>>> huge and the 7plus fits just fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
>>>>>> Richard,
>>>>>> I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
>>>>>> saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
>>>>>> Marie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Davy Cuppens
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
>>>>>> Davy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Richard Turner
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
>>>>>> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
>&

Re: apple keynote

[Mary Otten]

I was strongly considering getting an Apple Watch this year. But the series 5 
doesn’t seem to have anything on it in terms of a voiceover user that the 
series for it doesn’t have. So, since I don’t have a series 4, and that model 
is going away, I guess I will be waiting until next year when hopefully, the 
series 6 will have some enhancements in the Health area like the Ford did.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2019, at 1:23 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about the new Apple 
> Watch Series 5?
> 
> want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I will 
> happily add you.
> maria2...@gmail.com
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you feel one vibration, 
>> then slide back down.
>> 
>>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew Bullis  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How do you perform the reachability gesture without a home button?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>>> On 9/11/19, Robin  wrote:
>>>> YourWife's iPhone6S  is a  Little
>>>> SmallerThan  your iPhoneXR & the iPhoneXR is the
>>>> SameSize as the UpComin iPhone11
>>>> 
>>>> YourWife should GET  the iPhone11Pro if She
>>>> desires a   iPhone, which is relatively the SameSize as Her iPhone6S
>>>> At 12:02 PM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
>>>>> One thing to remember too is that iPhones have
>>>>> that reachability gesture as well as the ability
>>>>> to shift the keyboard to a left-handed or
>>>>> right-handed configuration. I find myself using
>>>>> these more than I thought I would at first.
>>>>> I'm a fairly big guy with hands proportion to my
>>>>> size, but still, I too don't particularly care
>>>>> for the larger size phones, but these
>>>>> workarounds Apple's built into the phones do
>>>>> help a little. Instead of being terrible, it only mildly sucks.
>>>>> I'd be one happy dude if my XR could fit into a
>>>>> 6S or SE, but that ship has sailed and there's
>>>>> no reason opining on what clearly isn't going to
>>>>> happen or waiting around for the same.
>>>>> Apple would probably just say buy the 8 or use the features mentioned
>>>>> above.
>>>>> My wife's got a 6S and we're probably going to
>>>>> upgrade her to the 11 this year. She's sighted
>>>>> and wants the larger screen size. Big sucker
>>>>> phone  be damned. She says she'll figure it out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-----
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>>>> Marie
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:38 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also have small hands but changing from the
>>>>> eight to the X, there was barely any noticeable
>>>>> difference. I have no problem with the size.
>>>>> Marie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: lenron brown
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
>>>>> huge and the 7plus fits just fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
>>>>>> Richard,
>>>>>> I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
>>>>>> saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
>>>>>> Marie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Davy Cuppens
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
>>>>>> Davy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Richard Turner
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups

Re: apple keynote

[Maria Reyes]

I am interested in the 11 pro. What do you guys think about the new Apple Watch 
Series 5?

want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I will 
happily add you.
maria2...@gmail.com

> On Sep 11, 2019, at 3:39 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you feel one vibration, 
> then slide back down.
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew Bullis  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> How do you perform the reachability gesture without a home button?
>> Thanks,
>> Matthew
>> 
>>> On 9/11/19, Robin  wrote:
>>> YourWife's iPhone6S  is a  Little
>>> SmallerThan  your iPhoneXR & the iPhoneXR is the
>>> SameSize as the UpComin iPhone11
>>> 
>>> YourWife should GET  the iPhone11Pro if She
>>> desires a   iPhone, which is relatively the SameSize as Her iPhone6S
>>> At 12:02 PM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
>>>> One thing to remember too is that iPhones have
>>>> that reachability gesture as well as the ability
>>>> to shift the keyboard to a left-handed or
>>>> right-handed configuration. I find myself using
>>>> these more than I thought I would at first.
>>>> I'm a fairly big guy with hands proportion to my
>>>> size, but still, I too don't particularly care
>>>> for the larger size phones, but these
>>>> workarounds Apple's built into the phones do
>>>> help a little. Instead of being terrible, it only mildly sucks.
>>>> I'd be one happy dude if my XR could fit into a
>>>> 6S or SE, but that ship has sailed and there's
>>>> no reason opining on what clearly isn't going to
>>>> happen or waiting around for the same.
>>>> Apple would probably just say buy the 8 or use the features mentioned
>>>> above.
>>>> My wife's got a 6S and we're probably going to
>>>> upgrade her to the 11 this year. She's sighted
>>>> and wants the larger screen size. Big sucker
>>>> phone  be damned. She says she'll figure it out.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>>> Marie
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:38 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>> 
>>>> I also have small hands but changing from the
>>>> eight to the X, there was barely any noticeable
>>>> difference. I have no problem with the size.
>>>> Marie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: lenron brown
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>> 
>>>> Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
>>>> huge and the 7plus fits just fine.
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
>>>>> Richard,
>>>>> I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
>>>>> saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is
>>>>> what
>>>>> I
>>>>> am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
>>>>> Marie
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Davy Cuppens
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
>>>>> Davy
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Richard Turner
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
>>>>> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
>>>>> the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
>>>>> The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
>>>>> It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized
>>>>> phone;
>>>>> but nothing official from Apple.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> 
>>>>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 

Re: apple keynote

[Devin Prater]

You slide up from the bottom of the screen until you feel one vibration, then 
slide back down.

> On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Matthew Bullis  wrote:
> 
> How do you perform the reachability gesture without a home button?
> Thanks,
> Matthew
> 
> On 9/11/19, Robin  wrote:
>> YourWife's iPhone6S  is a  Little
>> SmallerThan  your iPhoneXR & the iPhoneXR is the
>> SameSize as the UpComin iPhone11
>> 
>> YourWife should GET  the iPhone11Pro if She
>> desires a   iPhone, which is relatively the SameSize as Her iPhone6S
>> At 12:02 PM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
>>> One thing to remember too is that iPhones have
>>> that reachability gesture as well as the ability
>>> to shift the keyboard to a left-handed or
>>> right-handed configuration. I find myself using
>>> these more than I thought I would at first.
>>> I'm a fairly big guy with hands proportion to my
>>> size, but still, I too don't particularly care
>>> for the larger size phones, but these
>>> workarounds Apple's built into the phones do
>>> help a little. Instead of being terrible, it only mildly sucks.
>>> I'd be one happy dude if my XR could fit into a
>>> 6S or SE, but that ship has sailed and there's
>>> no reason opining on what clearly isn't going to
>>> happen or waiting around for the same.
>>> Apple would probably just say buy the 8 or use the features mentioned
>>> above.
>>> My wife's got a 6S and we're probably going to
>>> upgrade her to the 11 this year. She's sighted
>>> and wants the larger screen size. Big sucker
>>> phone  be damned. She says she'll figure it out.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Marie
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:38 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>> 
>>> I also have small hands but changing from the
>>> eight to the X, there was barely any noticeable
>>> difference. I have no problem with the size.
>>> Marie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: lenron brown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>> 
>>> Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
>>> huge and the 7plus fits just fine.
>>> 
>>> On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
>>>> Richard,
>>>> I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
>>>> saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is
>>>> what
>>>> I
>>>> am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
>>>> Marie
>>>> 
>>>> From: Davy Cuppens
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>> 
>>>> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
>>>> Davy
>>>> 
>>>> From: Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
>>>> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
>>>> the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
>>>> The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
>>>> It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized
>>>> phone;
>>>> but nothing official from Apple.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would
>>>> like
>>>> to
>>>> stay with that form factor.
>>>> 
>>>>  Andy
>>>> 
>>>>  - Original Message - From: 
>>>>  To: 
>>>>  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>>>>  Subject: RE: apple keynote
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>>>> 
>>>>  -Original Message-
>>>>  From: 

Re: apple keynote

[Matthew Bullis]

How do you perform the reachability gesture without a home button?
Thanks,
Matthew

On 9/11/19, Robin  wrote:
> YourWife's iPhone6S  is a  Little
> SmallerThan  your iPhoneXR & the iPhoneXR is the
> SameSize as the UpComin iPhone11
>
> YourWife should GET  the iPhone11Pro if She
> desires a   iPhone, which is relatively the SameSize as Her iPhone6S
> At 12:02 PM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
>>One thing to remember too is that iPhones have
>>that reachability gesture as well as the ability
>>to shift the keyboard to a left-handed or
>>right-handed configuration. I find myself using
>>these more than I thought I would at first.
>>I'm a fairly big guy with hands proportion to my
>>size, but still, I too don't particularly care
>>for the larger size phones, but these
>>workarounds Apple's built into the phones do
>>help a little. Instead of being terrible, it only mildly sucks.
>>I'd be one happy dude if my XR could fit into a
>>6S or SE, but that ship has sailed and there's
>>no reason opining on what clearly isn't going to
>>happen or waiting around for the same.
>>Apple would probably just say buy the 8 or use the features mentioned
>> above.
>>My wife's got a 6S and we're probably going to
>>upgrade her to the 11 this year. She's sighted
>>and wants the larger screen size. Big sucker
>>phone  be damned. She says she'll figure it out.
>>
>>-Original Message-----
>>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Marie
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:38 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>
>>I also have small hands but changing from the
>>eight to the X, there was barely any noticeable
>>difference. I have no problem with the size.
>>Marie
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: lenron brown
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
>>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>
>>Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
>>huge and the 7plus fits just fine.
>>
>>On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
>> > Richard,
>> > I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
>> > saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is
>> > what
>> > I
>> > am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
>> > Marie
>> >
>> > From: Davy Cuppens
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: apple keynote
>> >
>> > It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
>> > Davy
>> >
>> > From: Richard Turner
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: apple keynote
>> >
>> >
>> > No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
>> > iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
>> > the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
>> > The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
>> > It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized
>> > phone;
>> > but nothing official from Apple.
>> >
>> >
>> > Richard
>> >
>> > Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >   I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would
>> > like
>> > to
>> > stay with that form factor.
>> >
>> >   Andy
>> >
>> >   - Original Message - From: 
>> >   To: 
>> >   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>> >   Subject: RE: apple keynote
>> >
>> >
>> >   Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>> >
>> >   -Original Message-
>> >   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> > Behalf
>> > Of Kelly Pierce
>> >   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>> >   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >   Subject: Re: apple keynote
>> >
>> >   this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big
>> > change
>> > in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.
>> >
>> >   Kelly  > > style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
>> >   
>> > > >
>>

RE: apple keynote

[Robin]

YourWife's iPhone6S  is a  Little 
SmallerThan  your iPhoneXR & the iPhoneXR is the 
SameSize as the UpComin iPhone11


YourWife should GET  the iPhone11Pro if She 
desires a   iPhone, which is relatively the SameSize as Her iPhone6S

At 12:02 PM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
One thing to remember too is that iPhones have 
that reachability gesture as well as the ability 
to shift the keyboard to a left-handed or 
right-handed configuration. I find myself using 
these more than I thought I would at first.
I'm a fairly big guy with hands proportion to my 
size, but still, I too don't particularly care 
for the larger size phones, but these 
workarounds Apple's built into the phones do 
help a little. Instead of being terrible, it only mildly sucks.
I'd be one happy dude if my XR could fit into a 
6S or SE, but that ship has sailed and there's 
no reason opining on what clearly isn't going to 
happen or waiting around for the same.

Apple would probably just say buy the 8 or use the features mentioned above.
My wife's got a 6S and we're probably going to 
upgrade her to the 11 this year. She's sighted 
and wants the larger screen size. Big sucker 
phone  be damned. She says she'll figure it out.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

I also have small hands but changing from the 
eight to the X, there was barely any noticeable 
difference. I have no problem with the size.

Marie


-Original Message-
From: lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
huge and the 7plus fits just fine.

On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
> Richard,
> I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
> saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is what
> I
> am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
> Marie
>
> From: Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
> Davy
>
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>
> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
> the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
> The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
> It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized
> phone;
> but nothing official from Apple.
>
>
> Richard
>
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>
>
>
>   On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>
>
>   I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like
> to
> stay with that form factor.
>
>   Andy
>
>   - Original Message - From: 
>   To: 
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>   Subject: RE: apple keynote
>
>
>   Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Kelly Pierce
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>   this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change
> in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.
>
>   Kelly   style="border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
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RE: apple keynote

[Cristobal Muñoz]

One thing to remember too is that iPhones have that reachability gesture as 
well as the ability to shift the keyboard to a left-handed or right-handed 
configuration. I find myself using these more than I thought I would at first.
I'm a fairly big guy with hands proportion to my size, but still, I too don't 
particularly care for the larger size phones, but these workarounds Apple's 
built into the phones do help a little. Instead of being terrible, it only 
mildly sucks.
I'd be one happy dude if my XR could fit into a 6S or SE, but that ship has 
sailed and there's no reason opining on what clearly isn't going to happen or 
waiting around for the same.
Apple would probably just say buy the 8 or use the features mentioned above.
My wife's got a 6S and we're probably going to upgrade her to the 11 this year. 
She's sighted and wants the larger screen size. Big sucker phone  be damned. 
She says she'll figure it out.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

I also have small hands but changing from the eight to the X, there was barely 
any noticeable difference. I have no problem with the size.
Marie


-Original Message- 
From: lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
huge and the 7plus fits just fine.

On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
> Richard,
> I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
> saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is what 
> I
> am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
> Marie
>
> From: Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
> Davy
>
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>
> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
> the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
> The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
> It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized 
> phone;
> but nothing official from Apple.
>
>
> Richard
>
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>
>
>
>   On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>
>
>   I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like 
> to
> stay with that form factor.
>
>   Andy
>
>   - Original Message - From: 
>   To: 
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>   Subject: RE: apple keynote
>
>
>   Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf
> Of Kelly Pierce
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>   this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change
> in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.
>
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Re: apple keynote

[Robin]

Hey Marie,

 I,Robin didn't  intend any Harm with My 
previous Offering to this Thread about the Size 
of  Apple's iPhone8 & iPhoneX &  UpComin 
iPhone11Pro  to you directly, I was  tryin to Say 
there isn't any REAL Noticable difference  in 
these MobilePhone's Size & I'm specifically 
Referrin to  Apple's iPhone88  & iPhoneX & 
iPhoneXS & its UpComin iPhone11Pro, as they are 
ALL relatively the SameSize, but some just have 
More Screen Real Estate than others (i don't know how it's done)


Sorry if I offended you,Marie
At 11:37 AM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
I also have small hands but changing from the 
eight to the X, there was barely any noticeable 
difference. I have no problem with the size.

Marie


-Original Message- From: lenron brown
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
huge and the 7plus fits just fine.

On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:

Richard,
I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is what I
am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
Marie

From: Davy Cuppens
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
Davy

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote


No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone;
but nothing official from Apple.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.



  On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


  I would like to know that as well. I have 
an iPhone 8, and would like to

stay with that form factor.

  Andy

  - Original Message - From: 
  To: 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
  Subject: RE: apple keynote


  Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kelly Pierce
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: apple keynote

  this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change
in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.

  Kelly  
  
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  On 9/10/19, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi,



Yes, it happened earlier today.



Cheers,

Anna





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  Just curious.  Did Apple have their usual sept. 10 announcements and

  unvailings?  There’s been no chatter about it.

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Re: apple keynote

[Marie]

I also have small hands but changing from the eight to the X, there was 
barely any noticeable difference. I have no problem with the size.

Marie


-Original Message- 
From: lenron brown

Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
huge and the 7plus fits just fine.

On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:

Richard,
I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is what 
I

am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
Marie

From: Davy Cuppens
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
Davy

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote


No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized 
phone;

but nothing official from Apple.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.



  On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


  I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like 
to

stay with that form factor.

  Andy

  - Original Message - From: 
  To: 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
  Subject: RE: apple keynote


  Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Kelly Pierce
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: apple keynote

  this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change
in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.

  Kelly  
  
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Hi,



Yes, it happened earlier today.



Cheers,

Anna





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Re: apple keynote

[Keith Bierman]

https://www.apple.com/iphone-11-pro/specs/

Cut/paste produces an awkward result *grr*

2.81x5.67 and 3.06x6.22

Keith Bierman
khb...@gmail.com
303 997 2749


On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 10:25 AM Marie  wrote:

> Richard,
> I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
> saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is what
> I am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
> Marie
>
> *From:* Davy Cuppens
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: apple keynote
>
> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
> Davy
>
> *From:* Richard Turner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: apple keynote
>
>
> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
> the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
> The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
> It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized
> phone; but nothing official from Apple.
>
>
> Richard
>
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>
> I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like to
> stay with that form factor.
>
> Andy
>
> - Original Message - From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
> Subject: RE: apple keynote
>
>
> Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
> this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change
> in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.
>
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> On 9/10/19, Anna Dresner  wrote:
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> Hi,
>
>
> Yes, it happened earlier today.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anna
>
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan
>
> 
>
> wrote:
>
>
> Just curious.  Did Apple have their usual sept. 10 announcements and
>
> unvailings?  There’s been no chatter about it.
>
> God bless!
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Re: apple keynote

[Robin]

I,Robin Beleive:
Apple's  NEW iPhone11Pro  isn't any Bigger Than its  iPhone8
EvenThough
By MeasurementSake it might Appear to be

this could be Made Possible via shrinkin Parts of the MobilePhone to 
Increase  Screen RealEstate

At 08:30 AM 9/11/2019, you wrote:
Well all I can say is the larger phones are an indescribable 
nuisance for those of us with smaller hands!  The 8 is bigger than I 
like but manageable, something larger would be a real problem.  And 
although small my hands and wrists are strong, I can't imagine how 
someone with small weak hands manages.  I would adore a smaller 
model, it would be easier to hold and handle and I could utilize 
screen functions more efficiently.

Joy

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Re: apple keynote

[Richard Turner]

I googled Apple iPhone 11 sizes and found it; I thought on an Apple page.
So, I can only tell you what that site said.
HTH,


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 11, 2019, at 9:25 AM, Marie  wrote:


Richard,
I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you saying 
it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is what I am used 
to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
Marie

From: Davy Cuppens
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
Davy

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote


No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone; 
but nothing official from Apple.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:

I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like to stay 
with that form factor.

Andy

- Original Message - From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: apple keynote


Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change in the 
phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.

Kelly  

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On 9/10/19, Anna Dresner  wrote:
Hi,

Yes, it happened earlier today.

Cheers,
Anna


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Just curious.  Did Apple have their usual sept. 10 announcements and
unvailings?  There’s been no chatter about it.
God bless!
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Re: apple keynote

[lenron brown]

Yes the 11 pro is pretty much the same size as the x. My hands are not
huge and the 7plus fits just fine.

On 9/11/19, Marie  wrote:
> Richard,
> I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you
> saying it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is what I
> am used to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
> Marie
>
> From: Davy Cuppens
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
> Davy
>
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>
> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
> the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
> The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
> It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone;
> but nothing official from Apple.
>
>
> Richard
>
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>
>
>
>   On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>
>
>   I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like to
> stay with that form factor.
>
>   Andy
>
>   - Original Message - From: 
>   To: 
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>   Subject: RE: apple keynote
>
>
>   Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kelly Pierce
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>   this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change
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>
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> Cheers,
>
> Anna
>
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>
>
>
>   On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan
>
>   
>
>   wrote:
>
>
>
>   Just curious.  Did Apple have their usual sept. 10 announcements and
>
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>
>   God bless!
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Re: apple keynote

[Marie]

Richard,
I did not see the dimensions for the 11 Pro on the Apple site. Are you saying 
it is the same as the X? I hope that is the case because it is what I am used 
to and I am planning on trading the X in on a new 11 Pro.
Marie

From: Davy Cuppens 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 8:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: apple keynote

It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: apple keynote


No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5 
It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone; 
but nothing official from Apple.


Richard 

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 



  On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


  I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like to 
stay with that form factor.

  Andy

  - Original Message - From: 
  To: 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
  Subject: RE: apple keynote


  Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: apple keynote

  this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change in 
the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.

  Kelly  
  
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  On 9/10/19, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi,



Yes, it happened earlier today.



Cheers,

Anna





  On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan

  

  wrote:



  Just curious.  Did Apple have their usual sept. 10 announcements and

  unvailings?  There’s been no chatter about it.

  God bless!

  Paula and Garçon



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Re: apple keynote

[J.Cyr]

Well all I can say is the larger phones are an indescribable nuisance for those 
of us with smaller hands!  The 8 is bigger than I like but manageable, 
something larger would be a real problem.  And although small my hands and 
wrists are strong, I can't imagine how someone with small weak hands manages.  
I would adore a smaller model, it would be easier to hold and handle and I 
could utilize screen functions more efficiently.  
Joy

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Re: apple keynote

[lenron brown]

Exactly not as many people care about having a small phone. After all
you can see more on a bigger screen. Not to mention they can fit more
screen in a smaller body.

On 9/11/19, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
> Davy
>
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
>
> No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
> iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
> the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
> The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
> It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone;
> but nothing official from Apple.
>
>
> Richard
>
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.
>
>
>
>   On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
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>   I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like to
> stay with that form factor.
>
>   Andy
>
>   - Original Message ----- From: 
>   To: 
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
>   Subject: RE: apple keynote
>
>
>   Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kelly Pierce
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Re: apple keynote
>
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Re: apple keynote

[Davy Cuppens]

It is the third consecutive year of these rumors.
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: apple keynote


No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5 
It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone; 
but nothing official from Apple.


Richard 

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  On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:


  I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like to 
stay with that form factor.

  Andy

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  Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

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Hi,



Yes, it happened earlier today.



Cheers,

Anna





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Re: apple keynote

[Davy Cuppens]

No and they won't ever do that! Sighted people are buying large phones 
nowadays. And smartphones are made and designed for ... sighted people.


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Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

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Re: apple keynote

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I really like my iPhone 8.  I'm glad I can have it for a few years
before I have to upgrade.  If I could afford it, I'd purchase another
iPhone 8 to have in reserve for when my first phone dies.  I don't
know what iPhones will be like in a few years.

On 9/11/19, lenron brown  wrote:
> The 7 is not  that bad, and it's not even big it works the same as the se.
>
> On 9/11/19, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> Not yet as far as I’m aware. Hopefully next year will be the year; at
>> least
>> that’s what I hink I heard somewhere among the different Tech blogs I
>> follow
>> on Twitter: that Aple is scheduled to release a 2nd Generation SE next
>> year
>> in 2020. Hopefully they’ll release it by March or about! So that in May
>> when
>> it comes time to renew my plan with Telcel my carrier, and upgrade
>> phones,
>> I’d be able to get one of those. I’m sure I’ll feel lost with the 7 and
>> upwards!
>>
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>>
>> El 10 sep 2019, a la(s) 10:35 p. m., 
>>  escribió:
>>
>>> Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Kelly Pierce
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
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>>>
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>>>>
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Re: apple keynote

[lenron brown]

The 7 is not  that bad, and it's not even big it works the same as the se.

On 9/11/19, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> Not yet as far as I’m aware. Hopefully next year will be the year; at least
> that’s what I hink I heard somewhere among the different Tech blogs I follow
> on Twitter: that Aple is scheduled to release a 2nd Generation SE next year
> in 2020. Hopefully they’ll release it by March or about! So that in May when
> it comes time to renew my plan with Telcel my carrier, and upgrade phones,
> I’d be able to get one of those. I’m sure I’ll feel lost with the 7 and
> upwards!
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
>
> El 10 sep 2019, a la(s) 10:35 p. m., 
>  escribió:
>
>> Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: apple keynote
>>
>> this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change
>> in the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.
>>
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Re: apple keynote

[Gerardo Corripio]

Not yet as far as I’m aware. Hopefully next year will be the year; at least 
that’s what I hink I heard somewhere among the different Tech blogs I follow on 
Twitter: that Aple is scheduled to release a 2nd Generation SE next year in 
2020. Hopefully they’ll release it by March or about! So that in May when it 
comes time to renew my plan with Telcel my carrier, and upgrade phones, I’d be 
able to get one of those. I’m sure I’ll feel lost with the 7 and upwards!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 10 sep 2019, a la(s) 10:35 p. m.,  
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> Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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> this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change in 
> the phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.
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>>> 
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>>> Just curious.  Did Apple have their usual sept. 10 announcements and 
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Re: apple keynote

[Robin]

Isn't Apple's NEW iPhone11Pro  about the SameSize 
as Apple's iPhone8 (when Measured Together)

At 09:02 PM 9/10/2019, you wrote:

Well, I guess my iPhone 8 will serve for at least another year.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>Richard Turner
To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: apple keynote

No new smaller iPhone this time.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 10, 2019, at 8:35 PM, 
"<mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>kheve...@earthlink.net" 
<<mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net>kheve...@earthlink.net> wrote:


Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

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From: 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce

Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote

this year the innovation for blind end users 
was in iOS.  the big change in the phones 
themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.


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Hi,

Yes, it happened earlier today.

Cheers,
Anna



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RE: apple keynote

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Except that the 6.1 iPhone XR or  now 11 is smaller physically than an iPhone 
8+, slightly larger than an 8, but smaller than an 8+

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 9:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple keynote


No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone; 
but nothing official from Apple.


Richard

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On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like to stay 
with that form factor.

Andy

- Original Message - From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: apple keynote


Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
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this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change in the 
phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.

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Hi,

Yes, it happened earlier today.

Cheers,
Anna


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RE: apple keynote

[Sieghard Weitzel]

They did and considering the 100+ messages which used to be posted to the 
Viphone list a few years ago, this list has declined a long way.


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Paula Jordan
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Just curious.  Did Apple have their usual sept. 10 announcements and 
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Re: apple keynote

[Richard Turner]

No iPhones as small as the iPhone 8 or 8 plus.
iPhone 8 was 4.7 inches diagonal, the 8 plus, 5.5 inches.
the iPhone xr 6.1 and the new iPhone 11 is also 6.1.
The iPhone 11 Pro is 5.8 or the pro Max is 6.5
It has been rumored that next year they may come out with an SE sized phone; 
but nothing official from Apple.


Richard

Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2.


On Sep 10, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:

I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like to stay 
with that form factor.

Andy

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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: apple keynote


Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

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Kelly Pierce
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:51 PM
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this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change in the 
phones themselves was in the camera and an enhanced Face ID.

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Yes, it happened earlier today.

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Re: apple keynote

[Keith Bierman]

Short answer NO

iPhone 11 . 5.94"x2.98
iPhone SE  4.87x2.31

Improved battery life and the much more powerful chip (more performance at
less power) probably has more long term impact than the better cameras
(although the better camera contributes to faster facial recognition).

Folks that aren't focused on picture taking probably want to hold off on
upgrading though. I *suspect* that later iOS releases might leverage that
extra processing power for things useful in assistive modes ... but they
didn't discuss anything in that area today.


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Re: apple keynote

[Andy Baracco]

Well, I guess my iPhone 8 will serve for at least another year.

Andy

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  Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:37 PM
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  No new smaller iPhone this time. 



  Richard 


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Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

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  Yes, it happened earlier today.



  Cheers,

  Anna





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Re: apple keynote

[Andy Baracco]

I would like to know that as well. I have an iPhone 8, and would like to 
stay with that form factor.


Andy

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Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

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No new smaller iPhone this time.


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Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

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[khevener]

Did they come out with a new iphone the size of the apple SE?

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this year the innovation for blind end users was in iOS.  the big change in the 
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Hi,

Yes, it happened earlier today.

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Re: Apple Keynote

[Fred Olver]

Shane, why concentrate bad energy on something which 1 we do not have any 
control over and 2 we don't know what the future holds with regard to 
accessability.


Is there some reason we should spend all this time until fall worrying about 
this? Have you a crystal ball and have seen in to the future? Apple was the 
first, or nearly the first computer-based company to care about those of us 
with disabilities, is there some reason you think they might change their 
mind about this.


Sounds to me like it would make more sense to look forward optomisticly 
rather than look forward pesimisticly, takes less energy and it is truly 
alot more fun.


Fred Olver
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Hi guys,
Well yall, what'd you think of the presentation? I've Never saw one live, 
but I've been watching it on my Apple TV. What I've heard, it sounds like 
iOS 7 will be pretty interesting, but I didn't hear anything mentioned 
about accessibility... Your thoughts?

Shane.

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Re: Apple Keynote

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Wow!

a bit sensitive no?  I didn't get a ounce of negativity from his post. Note: he 
said its his first time watching WWDC so, he's probably not aware that Apple 
seldom speaks about accessibility during their keynotes.  And he asked for 
others thoughts. He offered no opinion of his own except, he thought IOS 7 
sounded interesting.  I wouldn't really put that down in the negative category. 
lol.I don't see how having no opinion, and asking for that of others is 
negative?  Or, did I miss something in his post?

Just saying.

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On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:

 Shane, why concentrate bad energy on something which 1 we do not have any 
 control over and 2 we don't know what the future holds with regard to 
 accessibility.
 
 Is there some reason we should spend all this time until fall worrying about 
 this? Have you a crystal ball and have seen in to the future? Apple was the 
 first, or nearly the first computer-based company to care about those of us 
 with disabilities, is there some reason you think they might change their 
 mind about this.
 
 Sounds to me like it would make more sense to look forward optimistically 
 rather than look forward pessimistically, takes less energy and it is truly 
 alot more fun.
 
 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - From: Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com
 To: blindapp...@yahoogroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com; 
 accessible-...@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:02 PM
 Subject: Apple Keynote
 
 
 Hi guys,
 Well yall, what'd you think of the presentation? I've Never saw one live, 
 but I've been watching it on my Apple TV. What I've heard, it sounds like 
 iOS 7 will be pretty interesting, but I didn't hear anything mentioned about 
 accessibility... Your thoughts?
 Shane.
 
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Re: Apple Keynote

[Christopher Chaltain]

I didn't think there was any bad energy, pessimism or worry in Shane's 
message or email either. I think people watching their first WWDC 
keynote should be able to ask innocent and sincere questions on this 
list. My only frustration with Shane's message, which I solved with the 
delete key, is that this has already been discussed on this list. 
There's going to be a lot of discussion on this list about IOS 7 and the 
WWDC, so if people are interested, I'd suggest they pay attention to 
these discussions on this list and maybe even look through the archives 
before asking a question that they think might have already come up. 
Note I wouldn't have said anything about this at all, if I wasn't 
already responding to Fred's message.


Also, in my opinion, Apple wasn't the first computer company to care 
about accessibility. Microsoft and IBM were investing resources on 
accessibility back when Outspoken was the only screen access option for 
Apple products and in those intervening years between Outspoken and 
VoiceOver where Apple had no accessibility for their products. I agree 
Apple has a better accessibility story right now than any other computer 
company, but this hasn't always been the case.


On 06/11/2013 03:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Wow!

a bit sensitive no?  I didn't get a ounce of negativity from his post. Note: he 
said its his first time watching WWDC so, he's probably not aware that Apple 
seldom speaks about accessibility during their keynotes.  And he asked for 
others thoughts. He offered no opinion of his own except, he thought IOS 7 
sounded interesting.  I wouldn't really put that down in the negative category. 
lol.I don't see how having no opinion, and asking for that of others is 
negative?  Or, did I miss something in his post?

Just saying.

Ricardo Walker
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Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:


Shane, why concentrate bad energy on something which 1 we do not have any 
control over and 2 we don't know what the future holds with regard to 
accessibility.

Is there some reason we should spend all this time until fall worrying about 
this? Have you a crystal ball and have seen in to the future? Apple was the 
first, or nearly the first computer-based company to care about those of us 
with disabilities, is there some reason you think they might change their mind 
about this.

Sounds to me like it would make more sense to look forward optimistically 
rather than look forward pessimistically, takes less energy and it is truly 
alot more fun.

Fred Olver
- Original Message - From: Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com
To: blindapp...@yahoogroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com; 
accessible-...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: Apple Keynote



Hi guys,
Well yall, what'd you think of the presentation? I've Never saw one live, but 
I've been watching it on my Apple TV. What I've heard, it sounds like iOS 7 
will be pretty interesting, but I didn't hear anything mentioned about 
accessibility... Your thoughts?
Shane.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Apple Keynote

[Fred Olver]

However, sir, you are forgetting about the textalker software which became 
available in 1982-83 and the products offered by G W Micro in it's previous 
carnation, Computer Aids and Braille-Edit which preceeded Outspoken, I 
believe.
Nun the less, I still stand by my claim that we have no reason to be 
pesimistic, Apple has shown us, over and over that it is commited to 
providing access via voice-over, no need to get paranoid at this point in 
time.


Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Keynote


I didn't think there was any bad energy, pessimism or worry in Shane's
message or email either. I think people watching their first WWDC
keynote should be able to ask innocent and sincere questions on this
list. My only frustration with Shane's message, which I solved with the
delete key, is that this has already been discussed on this list.
There's going to be a lot of discussion on this list about IOS 7 and the
WWDC, so if people are interested, I'd suggest they pay attention to
these discussions on this list and maybe even look through the archives
before asking a question that they think might have already come up.
Note I wouldn't have said anything about this at all, if I wasn't
already responding to Fred's message.

Also, in my opinion, Apple wasn't the first computer company to care
about accessibility. Microsoft and IBM were investing resources on
accessibility back when Outspoken was the only screen access option for
Apple products and in those intervening years between Outspoken and
VoiceOver where Apple had no accessibility for their products. I agree
Apple has a better accessibility story right now than any other computer
company, but this hasn't always been the case.

On 06/11/2013 03:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Wow!

a bit sensitive no?  I didn't get a ounce of negativity from his post. 
Note: he said its his first time watching WWDC so, he's probably not aware 
that Apple seldom speaks about accessibility during their keynotes.  And 
he asked for others thoughts. He offered no opinion of his own except, he 
thought IOS 7 sounded interesting.  I wouldn't really put that down in the 
negative category. lol.I don't see how having no opinion, and asking 
for that of others is negative?  Or, did I miss something in his post?


Just saying.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:

Shane, why concentrate bad energy on something which 1 we do not have any 
control over and 2 we don't know what the future holds with regard to 
accessibility.


Is there some reason we should spend all this time until fall worrying 
about this? Have you a crystal ball and have seen in to the future? Apple 
was the first, or nearly the first computer-based company to care about 
those of us with disabilities, is there some reason you think they might 
change their mind about this.


Sounds to me like it would make more sense to look forward optimistically 
rather than look forward pessimistically, takes less energy and it is 
truly alot more fun.


Fred Olver
- Original Message - From: Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com
To: blindapp...@yahoogroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com; 
accessible-...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: Apple Keynote



Hi guys,
Well yall, what'd you think of the presentation? I've Never saw one 
live, but I've been watching it on my Apple TV. What I've heard, it 
sounds like iOS 7 will be pretty interesting, but I didn't hear anything 
mentioned about accessibility... Your thoughts?

Shane.

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Re: Apple Keynote

[David Chittenden]

I agree that Microsoft and IBM have both paid lip service to accessibility, IBM 
more than MS, but Apple is the first to provide comprehensive accessibility 
throughout their product line.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 12/06/2013, at 10:10, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I didn't think there was any bad energy, pessimism or worry in Shane's 
 message or email either. I think people watching their first WWDC keynote 
 should be able to ask innocent and sincere questions on this list. My only 
 frustration with Shane's message, which I solved with the delete key, is that 
 this has already been discussed on this list. There's going to be a lot of 
 discussion on this list about IOS 7 and the WWDC, so if people are 
 interested, I'd suggest they pay attention to these discussions on this list 
 and maybe even look through the archives before asking a question that they 
 think might have already come up. Note I wouldn't have said anything about 
 this at all, if I wasn't already responding to Fred's message.
 
 Also, in my opinion, Apple wasn't the first computer company to care about 
 accessibility. Microsoft and IBM were investing resources on accessibility 
 back when Outspoken was the only screen access option for Apple products and 
 in those intervening years between Outspoken and VoiceOver where Apple had no 
 accessibility for their products. I agree Apple has a better accessibility 
 story right now than any other computer company, but this hasn't always been 
 the case.
 
 On 06/11/2013 03:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 Wow!
 
 a bit sensitive no?  I didn't get a ounce of negativity from his post. Note: 
 he said its his first time watching WWDC so, he's probably not aware that 
 Apple seldom speaks about accessibility during their keynotes.  And he asked 
 for others thoughts. He offered no opinion of his own except, he thought IOS 
 7 sounded interesting.  I wouldn't really put that down in the negative 
 category. lol.I don't see how having no opinion, and asking for that of 
 others is negative?  Or, did I miss something in his post?
 
 Just saying.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Shane, why concentrate bad energy on something which 1 we do not have any 
 control over and 2 we don't know what the future holds with regard to 
 accessibility.
 
 Is there some reason we should spend all this time until fall worrying 
 about this? Have you a crystal ball and have seen in to the future? Apple 
 was the first, or nearly the first computer-based company to care about 
 those of us with disabilities, is there some reason you think they might 
 change their mind about this.
 
 Sounds to me like it would make more sense to look forward optimistically 
 rather than look forward pessimistically, takes less energy and it is truly 
 alot more fun.
 
 Fred Olver
 - Original Message - From: Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com
 To: blindapp...@yahoogroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com; 
 accessible-...@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:02 PM
 Subject: Apple Keynote
 
 
 Hi guys,
 Well yall, what'd you think of the presentation? I've Never saw one live, 
 but I've been watching it on my Apple TV. What I've heard, it sounds like 
 iOS 7 will be pretty interesting, but I didn't hear anything mentioned 
 about accessibility... Your thoughts?
 Shane.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Apple Keynote

[Christopher Chaltain]

I was actually thinking of these products, as well as the self voicing 
applications put out by Caryn Navy and David Holladay from Raised Dot 
computing, but I thought you were talking about Apple being the first 
computer company to care about accessibility and not accessibility 
focused companies putting out accessible applications for the Apple 
platform as a 3rd party. If so, then you have tons of companies working 
on accessibility for DOS and then Windows, as well as stand alone 
applications and devices.


I agree though, there's no reason for pessimism, and I don't think 
anyone, and Shane in particular, was being pessimistic.


On 06/11/2013 05:17 PM, Fred Olver wrote:

However, sir, you are forgetting about the textalker software which
became available in 1982-83 and the products offered by G W Micro in
it's previous carnation, Computer Aids and Braille-Edit which preceeded
Outspoken, I believe.
Nun the less, I still stand by my claim that we have no reason to be
pesimistic, Apple has shown us, over and over that it is commited to
providing access via voice-over, no need to get paranoid at this point
in time.

Fred Olver
- Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain
chalt...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Keynote


I didn't think there was any bad energy, pessimism or worry in Shane's
message or email either. I think people watching their first WWDC
keynote should be able to ask innocent and sincere questions on this
list. My only frustration with Shane's message, which I solved with the
delete key, is that this has already been discussed on this list.
There's going to be a lot of discussion on this list about IOS 7 and the
WWDC, so if people are interested, I'd suggest they pay attention to
these discussions on this list and maybe even look through the archives
before asking a question that they think might have already come up.
Note I wouldn't have said anything about this at all, if I wasn't
already responding to Fred's message.

Also, in my opinion, Apple wasn't the first computer company to care
about accessibility. Microsoft and IBM were investing resources on
accessibility back when Outspoken was the only screen access option for
Apple products and in those intervening years between Outspoken and
VoiceOver where Apple had no accessibility for their products. I agree
Apple has a better accessibility story right now than any other computer
company, but this hasn't always been the case.

On 06/11/2013 03:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Wow!

a bit sensitive no?  I didn't get a ounce of negativity from his post.
Note: he said its his first time watching WWDC so, he's probably not
aware that Apple seldom speaks about accessibility during their
keynotes.  And he asked for others thoughts. He offered no opinion of
his own except, he thought IOS 7 sounded interesting.  I wouldn't
really put that down in the negative category. lol.I don't see how
having no opinion, and asking for that of others is negative?  Or, did
I miss something in his post?

Just saying.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:


Shane, why concentrate bad energy on something which 1 we do not have
any control over and 2 we don't know what the future holds with
regard to accessibility.

Is there some reason we should spend all this time until fall
worrying about this? Have you a crystal ball and have seen in to the
future? Apple was the first, or nearly the first computer-based
company to care about those of us with disabilities, is there some
reason you think they might change their mind about this.

Sounds to me like it would make more sense to look forward
optimistically rather than look forward pessimistically, takes less
energy and it is truly alot more fun.

Fred Olver
- Original Message - From: Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com
To: blindapp...@yahoogroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com;
accessible-...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: Apple Keynote



Hi guys,
Well yall, what'd you think of the presentation? I've Never saw one
live, but I've been watching it on my Apple TV. What I've heard, it
sounds like iOS 7 will be pretty interesting, but I didn't hear
anything mentioned about accessibility... Your thoughts?
Shane.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Apple Keynote

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree that Apple is the first company to have such wide spread 
accessibility across their product line, but I still don't agree that 
they were the first company to care about accessibility, which is what 
Fred stated.


I'm sure we'll disagree on what's meant by lip service and caring, but 
through out the 80's and 90's, IBM had multiple teams working on 
products like PC Said, Screen Reader, Screen Reader/2 and Home Page 
Reader when to my knowledge Apple had no one dedicated to accessibility, 
at least not that I can tell from the Apple products at the time and 
their lack of representation at consumer gatherings of the blind. This 
doesn't even include IBM's other products, their contribution to open 
source projects with respect to accessibility and their work on 
standards related to accessibility. Like I said, I'm sure you'll call 
this lip service, but I think this is more than lip service.


There's the further issue that comparing IBM and it's product line to 
Apple and it's product line is like comparing Apple's and oranges. I'm 
not even sure what it means for IBM to have accessibility across it's 
product line since most of the OS's that run on IBM's hardware aren't 
developed or controlled by IBM. I haven't used all IBM developed 
applications by any stretch, but I can't think of any applications I've 
used from IBM, Lotus, Tivoli or Rational that weren't accessible.


IMHO, we can talk up Apple and their commitment to accessibility, since 
it's story is so good, without having to mis characterize the facts or 
history or run down other companies or products.





On 06/11/2013 05:51 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

I agree that Microsoft and IBM have both paid lip service to accessibility, IBM 
more than MS, but Apple is the first to provide comprehensive accessibility 
throughout their product line.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 12/06/2013, at 10:10, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:


I didn't think there was any bad energy, pessimism or worry in Shane's message 
or email either. I think people watching their first WWDC keynote should be 
able to ask innocent and sincere questions on this list. My only frustration 
with Shane's message, which I solved with the delete key, is that this has 
already been discussed on this list. There's going to be a lot of discussion on 
this list about IOS 7 and the WWDC, so if people are interested, I'd suggest 
they pay attention to these discussions on this list and maybe even look 
through the archives before asking a question that they think might have 
already come up. Note I wouldn't have said anything about this at all, if I 
wasn't already responding to Fred's message.

Also, in my opinion, Apple wasn't the first computer company to care about 
accessibility. Microsoft and IBM were investing resources on accessibility back 
when Outspoken was the only screen access option for Apple products and in 
those intervening years between Outspoken and VoiceOver where Apple had no 
accessibility for their products. I agree Apple has a better accessibility 
story right now than any other computer company, but this hasn't always been 
the case.

On 06/11/2013 03:08 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Wow!

a bit sensitive no?  I didn't get a ounce of negativity from his post. Note: he 
said its his first time watching WWDC so, he's probably not aware that Apple 
seldom speaks about accessibility during their keynotes.  And he asked for 
others thoughts. He offered no opinion of his own except, he thought IOS 7 
sounded interesting.  I wouldn't really put that down in the negative category. 
lol.I don't see how having no opinion, and asking for that of others is 
negative?  Or, did I miss something in his post?

Just saying.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote:


Shane, why concentrate bad energy on something which 1 we do not have any 
control over and 2 we don't know what the future holds with regard to 
accessibility.

Is there some reason we should spend all this time until fall worrying about 
this? Have you a crystal ball and have seen in to the future? Apple was the 
first, or nearly the first computer-based company to care about those of us 
with disabilities, is there some reason you think they might change their mind 
about this.

Sounds to me like it would make more sense to look forward optimistically 
rather than look forward pessimistically, takes less energy and it is truly 
alot more fun.

Fred Olver
- Original Message - From: Shane clark hshanecl...@gmail.com
To: blindapp...@yahoogroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com; 
accessible-...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: Apple Keynote



Hi guys,
Well yall, what'd you think of the presentation? I've Never saw one live, but 
I've been watching it on my Apple